Why School Won't Educate You | Nietzsche

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Nietzsche dedicates a few paragraphs in Twilight of the Idols to the problems with modern education.
Most of his problems with modern education stem from his elitism. Which in turn stems from his disdain for the herd, or the great masses.
Nietzsche’s antagonism towards modern education is built on three foundations:
First, the lack of good teachers. Second, the democratization of education. Third, the hastiness by which modern education must happen.

[@kurseng]

This is why you never let your schooling interfere with your education.

[@cagneybillingsley2165]

the fact that graduation rate is at an all time high yet people are dumber than ever should tell you everything you need to know

[@nazzalafk8668]

@@cagneybillingsley2165 truee

[@AC-ow5kx]

One of my worst mistake, I let it interfere

[@milshubra]

Marshall McLuhan?

[@funknotik]

Even in the stem field, I’ve met alot of network engineers who where horrible at trouble shooting but had a bachelors degree. They never did any practical work just tests and memorization.

[@RickJaeger]

I think this a product of not only overspecialization in learning, but also an overly narrow learning of levels of theory vs. application. We have a spectrum running from Artists/Technicians to Engineers to Experimental Scientists to Theoreticians, who not only specialize in terms of what field/subfield/subject they are supposed to be experts in, but also at what level of practical application. So many levels end up being useless in certain fields, because people demanded a Bachelor's level of education for what really requires a Doctorate level, or demanded a Master's for a job really better suited for someone with a Technician's experience. Really, in an ideal system of education, a person should be able to _stop_ at _any_ degree of education, and be more or less suited for what you were educated to do (ignoring whether or not you "wanted" to do it, or whether your personality was suited to it). Any system that leaves me with my dick in my hands, not suited to what I was supposedly trained to do-whether I'm a high school graduate, a certified professional, or a multi-PhD-is an inefficient system at best, and destructive of humanity and society at worst. In most cases, a technician should know a little bit of theory! And an engineer or scientist should know how their tools work and how to fix things! The fact that there is so much mismatch shows to me that nothing except a lot of sweeping change to education will truly fix the problems it produces. P.S. One of the best examples (ironically meaning _worst_ examples, in terms of its results) of this mismatch between taught theory vs. application, generality vs. particulars, is computer programming, aggravated by the fact that everyone needs "more computer guys" but rarely do those people hiring know what _kind_ of computer guy work they actually need done.

[@funknotik]

@@RickJaeger Right that's what i see with hiring. Companies are asking for Senior engineers when they should be looking for a junior web developer or other way around. The people doing the vetting for those roles are not always technical themselves, so you end up with alot of people who where not necessarily bad at their job they where just placed in a role that didn't really fit.

[@SamUSB5000]

This is pathetic 🤣🤣🤣 !!!

[@reef6826]

The most intellectual development I ever had was from 16-20 dropped out of high-school, no job, so much free time to study, learn and create. Now I have a job I feel like a complete waste again, no energy for anything, just existing, once I earn enough money to build a substantial backlog of books I may consider going homeless for a year or two, and just enjoy 10+ hour a day to read again. Then get a job for a year, save up and repeat.

[@philistine8311]

This is exactly what i am thinking

[@NoName-de1fn]

I understand you, it is very interesting how formal education can suck the joy out of actual learning..

[@thehighestofclouds9890]

That’s…that’s incredible. All the best to you

[@devinbradshaw9756]

In your pursuit of vagrancy, do not forget to travel and experience various cultures

[@Tarotainment]

I've been car camping homeless for a year. It's better than working for sure if you are an intellectual

[@iyziejane]

I was a physics professor until the recent mandates, and my assessment is that all public funding to universities should be ceased. University faculty have been subverted entirely by small-minded administrators who only see these institutions as businesses for training specialized slaves. There is nothing intellectual left in these places, critical thinking and challenging authority are explicitly forbidden, and obedience is their highest virtue.

[@Ash-so2sr]

What recent mandates?

[@wordup897]

their primary function seems to be social engineering. while it's blatant now, I'm not sure this wasn't always the case to some extent.

[@ruthless7879]

You’re a furry tho👎🏽

[@andredelacerdasantos4439]

I think he means the pandemic

[@iyziejane]

@@Ash-so2sr The superstitious wishful-thinking COVID mandates that were enacted to ease TV-hypnotized boomers from feeling anxious about their inevitable deaths.

[@nonserviam751]

I remember I used to skip classes to read in the bathroom. Now, I think there is no more nefarious and malignant institution than systematic education; especially during this political psychosis.

[@brennus5817]

Really appreciate this, recently returned to University after leaving for sometime and found that I had more of a desire and energy to learn when I was not in it.

[@thethethe814]

Why did you return?

[@thethethe814]

@@brennus5817 Okay but Why did you return?

[@brennus5817]

@@thethethe814 miss read that sorry. For career options as I saw it, was tired of wage slaving.

[@jackwilliam4436]

Very instructive video. I would also like to add this famous Peanuts strip where a kid tells another one in class :'Nobody will give you the education you need to overthrow them.'

[@andredelacerdasantos4439]

Although self learning is a great way to cope with public education, you should never eliminate feedback from professionals in your field, otherwise, it's just play.

[@willb295]

I agree, which is why you should try to find good mentorship.

[@the_Analogist4011]

thats the big problem. the worst thing school does is isolate kids from the entire outside world. it does other bad things, but i am picking that one as the worst, ranking as a close 2nd, a complete disregard for what it is anybody actually wants to do. thats a smaller problem because ignorance of a world you totally do fit into i think is more injurious to a soul than treating everyone like faceless. the 2nd one can potentially produce solidarity, but if the world is not for you then death does make more sense.

[@kiljaeden5405]

From unqualified teachers to useless lessons and long hours

[@xxcrysad3000xx]

School does indeed suck but the alternatives tend to be just as bad or worse for young people's intellectual, personal and social development.

[@dfgniib6439]

School is a place of conditioning identical to a church, no living individual can come out from it, only dead & uncreative carbon copies programmed to think & act the exact same way. Leaving it early was the uttermost best choice of my life, I went from a soulless fool to a polymath, well versed in philosophy, art, poetry, and more; which school, previously completely prevented me to become so.

[@isaachester8475]

This is just way too hyperbolic and untrue. Some brilliant minds have endured the traditional education system and have come out with their intellect in-tact. Really brilliant people will take what they learn from the school and just go beyond it, not being bound by the confines of the rigid curriculum.

[@dfgniib6439]

​@@isaachester8475 ​ Does school actually teaches anything at all ? It does not... it cannot, there is simply no possibility of learning in it; Churchs, Schools and all these places of conditioning doesn't teach at all; all they do is to drown the poor victims of their intellectual terrorism into the Ocean of their Vomit, which they hyperbolically call; "Knowledge." Everything that school teaches is false, everything from A to Z, nothing is to be taken; for everything it teaches is *Dead Knowledge* for *Dead People.* Virtuosos are the only entheos'd *individuals* with an authentically *Living Knowledge* established in the Abode of Experience, that they prodigiously transfigure into poetry, paintings, dances and music; whatsoever the Artist says through his Art is more scientific than Science itself, for it is based on an experience of something which is beyond even reason. Homer's Odyssey content is truer and more real than everything school has ever taught you since now; even while being fiction, for it is Full of Life. Even more than that, the Artist doesn't teach anything nor does he instruct himself, to do this is way too low and pathetic; rather all he do is simply imbuying himself with the Fragrance of Everything there is, and letting people get Drunk on the Divine Scents of his August Being. For the overman to arise; this loathsome school must be replaced by something that transcends even the Mouseîon, by something we could call, "The House of Creativity"; which would be an Opera of Total Artworks, in the person of the Virtuosos who inhabit it.

[@Celestina0]

‘a polymath, well versed in philosophy, art, poetry, and more’ lol

[@rawdasalmataman7908]

And when people come out of it they don't really understand what they learned and its importance Most people learn or go to school to get a job not to actually learn When I ask some of my classmates of the importance of math they don't know how to answer other than we have to learn it And the teachers in schools are not good role models They contradict themselves and don't actually care about teaching and students learning as much as students getting good grades

[@niggasgang8784]

Search up Joseph Graham

[@willb295]

I'm turning 19 this November and am currently in college. I plan to enroll in medical school when the time comes. I was always a good student, but all my life I thought that one "learned" something insofar as one receives a high score by the end of the course. I have since changed my opinion. One can easily get a high score by merely showing up everyday and doing the bare minimum. When I realized this, I figured that a good score was by no means reflective of a good education. I'm currently in the process of cultivating the discipline needed to self educate on and off campus. In the mornings I'll do my school studies, while in the evenings I'll have a scholar's education in philosophy, mathematics, sciences, and literature. I tried to find courses that would do this well, but I soon came to the conclusion that Nietzsche did: don't rely on any system to educate you; you must do it yourself.

[@hillyummy6879]

Why math and science?

[@bluefires_1776]

I don't know if school sucks or I'm just lazy and not putting in the work like some teachers say.

[@username55ify]

Probably both

[@rmx6737]

Definitely a mixture of both imo

[@LawdyGawd]

There's never going to be a perfect school but you can take responsibility for your own education.

[@Benjamin-ml7sv]

If you are lazy it's a good sign it's bad, for humans aren't lazy for something they like.

[@WeltgeistYT]

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[@satnamo]

Health, youth +freedom =3 greatest blessings of life.

[@xxcrysad3000xx]

I think there's a lot of value in being in an educational setting with a trained instructor who is an expert in their field, surrounded by a bunch of fellow students who are interested in the subject and motivated to learn more. Too many people take an unstructured approach to their education when they learn independently, and because they have no coursework to reinforce what they hear in lectures or read in textbooks, and don't engage in dialogue with other likeminded students, they tend to have very serious gaps in their knowledge and understanding.

[@Celestina0]

which explains all the extremely stupid self-taught KZbinrs with wild ideas about everything

[@jonhstonk7998]

the problem lies in the fact that you're never in an educational setting with a trained instructor whos an expert in their field surrounded by a bunch of fellow students interested in learning more...not in a university anyways, I have however seen a similar ambient to what you describe somewhere irl tho: a gym that had lifting and had several martial arts classes

[@xxcrysad3000xx]

@@jonhstonk7998 Actually that's pretty much exactly what the university setting is like. Whether any particular individual utilizes the vast array of resources, opportunities for educational and personal development, and social networking that any decent public university provides their student body is one thing, whether the opportunities are there is incontrovertible.

[@jonhstonk7998]

@@xxcrysad3000xx lol I've been to law school mate I've never ever learned anything there from a teacher or student, it felt like a massive waste of time when I had to stay in a classroom for 6 hours to ¨learn¨ something I had already learned within 2 hours, i never met anyone who was in any capacity intelligent in a university, the word id use for the people there is ¨mediocre¨ and a sizeable portion of people within that university id describe as ¨bottom of the barrel levels of stupid¨ nothing good comes from existing within a system for the mediocre, this is just true.

[@xxcrysad3000xx]

@@jonhstonk7998 Well I don't know what to tell you. I guess you're just too exceptional to thrive in a system that's designed around the needs of those of lesser capacities than yourself. Lucky for you to have found the KZbin comments section, an arena where a man of your intellect, talent, and ambition can truly apply himself and make a difference in the world.

[@Anonymous-rj2lk]

Higher education is made exceptional and for the chosen few just because its titled as a superior form of education, everyone can study whatever they want, all you need is the right book and a will to understand and think.

[@silent_stalker3687]

The fact that I was punished for reading books in school and doing stuff and just writing down every other step should be telling. The fact that I had to argue with a teacher for 10 minutes who was looking at a book for the answer. She said 60 divided by 15 is twelve. I said it was 4 and pointed out the clock, minutes and quarters. What my 2nd grade teacher used to teach us division. This is in 11th grade. ‘That’s time, not math.’ Then when I had her English class she gave me the wrong paper to do, failed me for ‘not writing the correct subject’ and never gave me the correct paper. And when we had a writing subject and I said ‘heck it I’ll do it last minute’ she with a smile handed it back saying ‘you did really good’ Meanwhile… F grade with the ‘did you still this form a video game or something?’ And laughing emojis written over it. People offed themselves going to that school for years- but now ‘it’s only because CRT’ and parents are protesting to send their kids there but with no CRT. They rather be labeled terrorists rather then put their kid on online classes or possibly have to explain anything to them. If they turn out well… ‘thank god I did so well or else it would be a disaster. You owe me your entire life when I retire and I expect to be paid.’ If you off yourself ‘ oh so tragic how could I have missed it?!’ If someone else offs themselves and other people ‘that’s not allowed!’ And let’s say you turn out bad? ‘Oh they were always rotten, they were mean- they always were doomed for this’ while saying ‘if you don’t do well in school you’ll starve to death on the streets’ and so on. Get diagnoisss with depression because the girl I love offed herself and so much more stuff- repressed memories, memory loss between 2015-2021… “Nah we don’t need anti depressants we need new anxiety medicine their grades aren’t getting better.” - my Parents in 2012 when this happened, to the doctor who diagnosed me with moderate/sever depression. They took away my phone and computer and any way I could to check in with my friend to make sure they survived because “it could interfere with your grades!”

[@reconscout2238]

İ had a history teacher that didint knew that ''byzantium'' was a fake name and it was roman empire all along till its fall in 1453.

[@pinarppanrapir9489]

That sounds like hell alright I had a girl I liked, when she offed herself I carved her initials on my leg with a knife You deserve a hug

[@MrSolus-ls6us]

Jesus man... For what it's worth I'm sorry for all you had to go through... Stay strong.

[@silent_stalker3687]

@@MrSolus-ls6us well to make it worse. So my friend (Maddy) introduced me to her cousin and we talked for about half a year and I liked her and wanted to meet her. She had me promise fo keep Maddy happy or to help with it. She apparently got turned down and attempted suicide twice. First time I asked my school if I could check on my friend and see if they were still alive. I was locked in a office for 3 hours. I have them her account’s name. They demanded my account and the password to control it. Threatened to call the police on me and so on if I didn’t because ‘it’s illegal to commit suicide’ Parents kicked me out of everything and I spent 3 days hacking into the internet on my PS3 and ‘oh 3 hours late’ Maddy always guilted me and mentioned shiro. Well I couldn’t say no to any relations request after that and ended up with small harems of meaningless relationships. Keep in mind due to childhood trauma of my neighbor I did not like people touching me, can you guess why? So at the most I had 8 GFs at once if the 2 that broke up because I was dating others didn’t break off. In total from places I moved I had 19 GFs in total and all meaningless because I can’t say no, for obvious reasons. Duding these 3 years 9 other friends offed themselves, 2 died in car crashes, 1 was shot to death, one died during surgery and another during a winter accident. 3 years later in 2015 me and the person who apparently hurt her cousin talked. Turns out it was a sock puppet account made to pressure that person into dating Maddy and make other people follow her. I stayed quiet for 6-7 months until she mentioned Shiro and I basically made her cry and broke my promise which irks me to this day. I got into philosophy out of desperation because there wasn’t anything I could think of as a way to help someone cope or be happy- aka still trying to find a answer to try and help Maddy be happy. Well… couldn’t really happen. I couldn’t deal with anything and school already ruined my ability to read until 2020 because of all the BS I always had anxiety if I picked up a book. I also couldn’t cope with breaking the promise or the revelation and lost memories, friends that knew her I couldn’t be around and basically just blanked 4 years of my life and lost a lot of memories in late 2015. Now the book ‘the dark forest’ came out and had some helpful stuff. It was translated in 2016, a year after my memory loss. “It’s impossible. You can’t forget her, so don’t make the effort. That will only lead to side effects, and maybe even mental disorders. Let nature take its course. Once more, for emphasis: Don’t try to forget about her. It won’t work. But as time passes, her influence on your life will decrease. And you’re actually quite lucky. Whether or not she really exists, you’re fortunate to be in love.” - the dark forest.

[@CeramicShot]

@@reconscout2238 Byzantium is the former name of the city now known as Istanbul. What do you mean by "fake name"?

[@charlestownsend9280]

School would work if it's taught people how to think and how to figure out the answers, rather than be told the answer and to pass exams. It's not really a problem with teachers and educators, but the culture within learning that is around being told and not actually teaching.

[@ruthless7879]

School is based on grades not actual education just memorize for the test so you get a good grade then never use it again if they would teach important life skills for example to think for oneself the world would be different it’s crazy to think about how much time is wasted at school

[@ShadowMantis702]

It’s just learning earth lore until you figure out what you want to specialize in

[@FringeWizard2]

There is a book by William Walker Atkinson which is narrated on youtube and can be found in the public domain on some sites like yogebooks called "Memory how to develop train and use it". If I ever am so fortunate as to find one of the few women not ruined by anti-natalism, feminism, etc. and who is of my race and of similarly superior type as to have children with I will just teach them how to think, how to memorize, and not worry at all about having them go through school and do tests. Once they have all their skills of memorization perfected they will be able to easily pass every test to get whatever credentials they want from the school system if they are so inclined as to ever bother with that. And when they have good analytical skills, a strong and creative imagination, etc. they will be able to easily invent things, solve problems, etc. My own experience with formal education is that it's entirely obsessed with "grades" which won't even matter after you've become an emotional wreck and a burn out because you missed sleep and your parents were always yelling at each other and you didn't have enough food to keep yourself functioning well. So I believe that if I make sure my children have healthy well cultivated bodies, learn pranayama as to breath correctly, always get their rest, don't stress, keep regular habits of physical exercise, and learn to think in a rigorous way with total mastery over their minds then everything else they try to do in life they will be successful at. Never compromise your physical and mental health, your sleep/etc. just for some stupid grades, I developed lifetime insomnia because of my parents screaming at me and forcing me to get grades, instead of learning how to think. It has taken a decade of self-improvement after the disaster of school to regain my health and fix my mentality.

[@rawdasalmataman7908]

I agree School is not really education It is grades Schools kill creativity by forcing you to memorize the books you are told to memorize They don't tell you to actually learn or the importance of the things you learn

[@rawdasalmataman7908]

@@FringeWizard2 Well I wish society thought like that Schools are equal grades not true education They don't tell us to learn they tell us to memorize They don't know how to make us learn They don't tell us the importance of the things we learn And teachers are not really good role models at least in my school

[@FringeWizard2]

@@rawdasalmataman7908 They don't even teach people how to memorize because it's all just crammed in temporarily so they can do the exam and then forgotten afterwards. My sister who went through university testifies to me she never retained any of it, that she just forgot it all. Waste of time and money and she's doing jobs now that have nothing to do with her time in university.

[@cleo6205]

I just looked at the channel content. I am happy listening. Thank you for your time.

[@charlesjohnson8106]

Ralph Ellison in Invisible Man: “I see the bronze statue of the college Founder, the cold Father symbol, his hands outstretched in the breathtaking gesture of lifting a veil that flutters in hard, metallic folds above the face of a kneeling slave; and I am standing puzzled, unable to decide whether the veil is really being lifted, or lowered more firmly in place; whether I am witnessing a revelation or a more efficient blinding.”

[@Ed-qq6ux]

This video could possible end all current debates in the USA about the education system. I've never read Nietsche, but have been thinking the same things for years. Time to check out some of his writings.

[@isaachester8475]

Nietzsche was too much an elitist and gatekeeper of all the higher aspirations in life.

[@nate5995]

One of the best things I learned in College was "never stop learning". This despite being a Kinesiology major! lololol Oh what a fool my younger self was....

[@alokpratapjha]

Good to see you again, keep up the good work.

[@kotharianlightning]

Honestly, the biggest trouble conceptually with our current Western education system (setting aside the numerous systemic problems) is that it doesn't acknowledge a very simple fact: Knowledge about any sufficiently complex subject is only preserved if a person constantly works with that knowledge and thinks about it. For example, it's fine to say that you took a language course, but if you aren't actually constantly immersing yourself in that language, proficiency will fade with time. Btw, this doesn't even take that long, especially with young minds. The first weeks of school after summer break assume that the student has lost the vast majority of their proficiency in any given subject after mere months. And this long period of time spent in class actually dulls the desire of young people to learn, instead making them think of learning as a pseudo-job, and a job that they don't even get paid to do. As for Nietzsche's elitism, the problem of the "masses" is a construct of civilization If you look at any of the primitive cultures, the ones before aristocracy is developed, they are fundamentally defined by the belief that everyone is expected to grow into a entirely sufficient member of that culture. Thus, they are defined by a combination of anarchy and democracy. There were, of course, people who were better at certain tasks and people who were smarter than others, or leaders of clans who held more sway in democratic proceeding, but such things are matters of nature. The issue in civilization is that we've spent millennia constructing two classes, one that rules and the other that obeys, and the propaganda is designed to reinforce that (whether of religious or secular indoctrination). It's not incorrect to say that only the aristocratic/more thoughtful man can conceive of breaking that cycle, but to truly break it we actually need democracy (and I'm speaking of an actual democracy, not the lazy elective oligarchy, aka Representative Democracy, that we currently have).

[@imperatorscratchmataz]

Wow! I only just realised what the artwork on that book is! I had only ever seen it in small and thought that it was a fisherman looking upwards.

[@natedash11]

Not surprising really - one of the first things I was taught in college was that IQ was a "social construct", "racist" and "culturally biased", even though there are other cultures that have a high average IQ and overseas military personnel of different races had roughly similar scores. Not to mention I expressed an interest in music but was pushed to take some nothing class about theater instead, which seemed to take more of a common focus instead of higher forms. Needless to say, I left.

[@Celestina0]

I didn’t learn that IQ was a social construct, racist or culturally biased at university. I learnt that by reading and researching it myself.

[@danopticon]

@@Celestina0 - Tellingly, even Alfred Binet-the fellow who developed the i.q. test-didn’t believe it was real … at least, he never ascribed to it the ability to give granular results, unlike dumdums today who want to believe it’s some sophisticated metric … rather, he developed it to distinguish between extreme high functioning and extreme low functioning, with everything between roughly 50 and 150 being more-or-less the same, and varying probably according to what you ate or how much you slept or what mood you were in the day you took the test. His goal was to get people out of Paris’ horrible asylums, where people regarded as insane, “imbeciles,” or simply inconvenient were put through horrible ordeals; the thinking of the time was that without “intelligence” there was also no ability to experience pain or fear-that the people in asylums were mere vegetables or automata, and so the wardens “experimented” on the inmates with shocks and vivisection and sleep deprivation and drownings in ice water … and often the inmates were simply blind or hard of hearing or mildly upsetting to someone powerful. So Binet devised a test simply to measure whether an inmate was capable of learning anything at all, basically a pass/fail situation, except a few people consistently did very well at it too. It wasn’t until the 1950s, when corporate U.S.A. developed an efficiency fetish, that the people who’d bought the rights to Binet’s test realized they could have a cash cow on their hands if they marketed it as providing granular metrics: a reason to promote one employee or demote another over a difference as small as one point. And people have been falling for this i.q. scam ever since, even though if you look at the fine print and disclaimers accompanying the test, they openly acknowledge it doesn’t measure anything beyond how well someone performs on that test on that particular day.

[@lazar2949]

Compulsory schooling is the huge problem in my opinion. But its so embedded into our society that even if you just say something like that they mark you crazy. People are seriously brainwashed into thinking having compulsory schooling(literally slavery) is the only way of educating the youth.

[@yoinkszoinkys9924]

I love the nietzche and schaupen stuff but could you do a video on how to get into philosophy and work our way up to fully understanding these more complex works? I want to beable to fully comprehend what I read from these guys but I feel they constantly mention other philosophy

[@sylvanaoktavia920]

Wow, so true! Now, i am inspired to read Nietzsche.

[@ningenshot650]

please update ur Nietzsche playlist

[@blackfeatherstill348]

One of my favourite videos.

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

Everyone disdains the masses, but they do not see the mass man at work in themselves. There are several words in Jungian psychology that are all synonymous: unconscious, projected, undifferentiated, and collective. This is why when a paranoid conspiracy theorist is so certain that something is wrong with the world it is a shapeless and nameless "they" that is so typically responsible. Because he is not aware of an interfering will in his psyche, he encounters it in external sources as groups of aliens and conspirators. Only that which is conscious can be differentiated and therefore individual. Everything unconscious belongs to the mass man. The herd is universal scapegoat. Both the left and the right characterize their opponents as "unthinking masses," the irony being that the sense that the masses are stupid is a notion of just such an atomized and unconscious part of said masses. If they knew anything about their adversaries at all and were not isolated from them by fantasies, they would be able to pick out individuals and give them the respect deserving of a fellow human being. Not the emblem of a pig to be shamed.

[@itsjustanapple5452]

"Both the left and the right characterize their opponents as "unthinking masses" You arrived so close the truth but yet didn't see it- You see that "they" have build the world in a way that there is just left and right. Only 2 sides when the truth lies in the middle. This is what they want. They want us to choose either side because we will never win by choosing the sides when the both sides are really part of the same structure.

[@itsjustanapple5452]

If you are really interested of the true nature of evil of today's world then look no farther away than the means of information distrubution. Who is in control of the press? WHo is in control of the tell a vision? From where do we get most of our information online?: Google, youtube, facebook, instagram, reddit, quora and twitter In reality it is google, facebook, reddit, quora and twitter. 5 corporations are responsible for 100% of what most of us see...

[@imperatorscratchmataz]

Haha! I liked the Schopenhauer joke.

[@davidrandell2224]

Max Stirner’s “The False Principle of Our Education “, 1842 for a better ‘critique ‘ of public- communist- schools.

[@DawsonSWilliams]

Well done, in mentioning Stirner. I would say Stirner and Nietzsche compliment one another. See the young Nietzsche's lectures on "Anti-Education."

[@majorsalt649]

The monotonous amount of information relative to the practical skills integration from elementary to post secondary is quite unbalanced in modern education. The sheer vastness of information to build a general base of understanding far out ways the practicality to implement it into every day real life function in most cases. It’s also noteworthy to know that Nietzsche was not a parent, and that most parents are willing to settle for standard education as a means giving them time and space from the sacrifice they committed to raising them. The system obviously has flaws it’s implementation, but the common human who cannot see the bigger picture subjugates their kids learning to the past of least resistance(they do what was taught to them without questioning it). It’s a tough predicament

[@bernardofitzpatrick5403]

Exactly ! 🙌🏽

[@rafbi4874]

I'm not entirely sure I agree with every one of his points, but I defenitely agree that we should not count on the system to educate us. I won;t deny that it is a good start and it builds a base on which to stand upon to continue learning but that's that. To cultivate critical thinking and spherical knowledge, we need to stuy further ourselves.

[@thesoundpurist]

I knew by intuition that I didn't have any chance in this life. No solid reference, no real compassion. It was a sea of incompetence and a crowd of crab mentality. I didn't have the words or the concepts to express it. How many lives or potential ruined by this poisonous world. Not sad, it's criminal, unethical. The foundation of evil : "treason of the innocent by the use of his/her virtue" (inspired by John Milton)

[@SC-gw8np]

Incompetence is institutionalised in this world. Competency is assessed by the number of credentials a person has rather than the quality of work they perform. It’s all backwards here.

[@aaronlatif52]

Do they go into how to self educate? My idea is essentially read and write your thoughts down on it and look for works that disagree and agree to see what others picked up on. Even better to publish or share the thoughts or have some one give you an opinion, all to challenge and find the holes in your understanding to give a specific get replies to close your blind spots more precisely.

[@isaachester8475]

This. The hardest thing for me is finding and confirming good sources, peer-reviewed sources with good evidence. Especially for free. Most academic sources cost money that, as a broke student, I can’t afford. Finding experts in the field who are willing to engage and answer questions is a big help. I like the idea of putting your own thoughts out there for others to review. This will probably expose you to a lot of different opinions which you can check on later.

[@FringeWizard2]

I dropped out in grade 4 and and when I was tested at like 11 years old I had reading and articulation skills of university 5th year and I can't remember ever not being able to read anything and also I was never held back in any way, I was reading advanced material from as soon as I could read, not intentionally dumbed down crap they give to kids by assuming they are stupid. Kids are ignorant but as far as their intelligence they don't get any smarter by getting older, they're either dumb their whole lives or smart their whole lives. Anyways school ruins minds, curiosity is the only trait you need for success, that and access to libraries/internet/people-to-observe-at-work.

[@CaracalKeithrafferty]

I notice you cite his elitism, yet don't say it is a bad thing. Bravo.

[@hamletwinston7239]

You should handle jordan peterson’s critique of nietzsche He constantly just says that the will to power is the will to dominate, and ‘disproves’ it on the basis that competence, not dominance, underlies human hierarchies

[@blackfeatherstill348]

Does the access of "good/great" teachers online change things?

[@battragon]

That's because you only learn by talking (or writing) (or getting your hands dirty).

[@alexpacheco2031]

Yep

[@ASHEN_WITCH_RYMER]

Yes

[@artofwrick]

Schools don't help you with jobs, with education, with anything. Then why schools in the first place?

[@SC-gw8np]

I think the real purpose of school is to mould our minds into thinking that we have to go through institutions to learn things and ‘achieve’ something. It clears away critical thinking and self-reliance. It also fosters obedience in people.

[@jordanpeterson8414]

It would be a big help if the quotes would have a footnote

[@WeltgeistYT]

If there is no footnote, it means the source is the same as the previous quote.

[@THETRIVIALTHINGS]

There's quite a lot of truth to this. Some of it, bitter.

[@danopticon]

It’s surprising how many comments here (all but one, as I write this) are people reacting with phony-sounding “personal anecdotes” to the video’s title alone, usually along with some mistaken generalizations in support of reactionary politics … and no one seems to have actually watched the video. If you, a viewer, think that Nietzsche, a nineteenth century philosopher, was by “modern education” referring to your flunking elementary school, then my cousin would like to sell you some NFTs…

[@the_Analogist4011]

thats why the best "system" is the Subdury Model, where the school is a direct democracy. but since such a system does not serve elite interests, it will never be publicly funded

[@Daniel-xv3nw]

had similiar thoughts not long ago thought i was so ahead of time now i learn this guy thought the same 100 yrs ago lmao

[@JakeMyerz]

Agreed

[@DawsonSWilliams]

Nietzsche's lectures on "Anti-Education" are incredibly prescient, as well; I am not sure said lectures of the young Nietzsche have garnered much attention in the English speaking world, as they were only translated in the last seven years.

[@outlawquelshingdixienothin8893]

I left school at 15 in a country where everyone goes does 3 more years of it and then to university. I'm a scoundrel, but happy I don't have to deal with the world that personally and all the programmed people

[@satnamo]

School is stupid; and college is a waste of time. 1st, I tell my self: What kind of person do I want to become? Then I must do what I have to do; I must build up my life action by action, and be content if each action achieves its goal as far as possible; and nothing can stop this from happening, except death.

[@freedomworks3976]

Those who can do those who can’t spend lots of time in school

[@revengance4149]

I agree that schools are not doing a very good job at educating us but that doesn't mean that eduction should be kept from normal people. we should find a way the give proper education to everyone and maybe use the internet to our advantage in that regard. then again you can already teach yourself everything you want to using it

[@luciusseneca2715]

In the US back in the 1950's, the public universities were open to roughly the top 20 percent of High School graduates. You had to take College Prep courses in school, and take entrance exams to prove you were qualified. The students who were admitted were taught by professional academics. They graduated into an economy with fewer college graduates than jobs that preferred college graduates. By 2010, universities had moved to effectively open enrollment. The typical college freshman reads at a 7th grade level. The students are taught by poorly-paid Slave Adjuncts who have too much ego invested in "being a professor" to quit and get a real job with dental insurance. Administrators make all the money; the President of Arizona State U. makes $2M a year. The curriculum has been watered down to promote retention. Having a college degree is no indication of having a college education, and the graduates find themselves in a vicious competition for scarce work opportunities. The whole thing has become a complete charade.

[@Fronzel41]

It's only gotten worse.

[@sfxdlwsrs]

University, as I see it, is just a means to get a certification to be able to work in your choosing. You're not there to learn, all you gotta do is educate yourself, power through the bullshit and get your diploma. That's all about it.

[@kiljaeden5405]

Andrew Tate is the Ubermensch

[@nolancoates4856]

Excellent ⭐💂‍♂️🎖️🎖️

[@kerelenis]

school is not there to fix you, it's there to crack open the door which you must choose to walk through by yourself. living in the comfort and abundance of western civilization and complaining about how school 'doesn't teach anything' is bullshit and an excuse for intellectual laziness - more often than not, the curriculum is just fine, and it's up to you to find out what interests you and what you want to further pursue. a professor is close minded? good, it is up to you to force yourself to think outside the constraints of their method. a course isn't rich or challenging enough? it is up to you to realize this and push yourself to go beyond. explaining your mediocrity away by means of ''school bad'' is really cheap - you can do better

[@isaachester8475]

While I do agree to some extent with Nietzsche’s critique of the “factory-like” school system, I have a vehement hatred of his disdain for the common and democratization of education. It’s absolutely stupid and nonsensical. Greater education for the masses can only be a good thing; even a little education, even if less in quality, is better than having no education for the majority of the population. If you want good quality instructors, you can find them; they’re not disappearing, it’s just that they’re now surrounded by mediocre instructors as well. Go find good instructors or teach yourself. But there is no problem with having people learn to a mediocre level from mediocre instructors, because they’re still learning *something* and can apply that learning towards improving the world. This “all or nothing” mentality is too rigid. Sorry, Nietzsche.

[@isaachester8475]

@@manzo6335 Lol, that’s a funny one

[@YehudiNimol]

It's true that there are many problems with the modern school system, but privatizing education to a certain few might be even worse. It'll just create an even more docile and controllable public. I'm done with the public masturbatorium that is this comment section

[@bryanutility9609]

Incessant criticism is kinda ghey. How expensive would his version of education be? All the smart kids at my school were advanced through the system.

[@kendrickjahn1261]

I think Nietzsche thought too highly of the human race because he thought so highly of this noble, genius type of character. It hardly exists. No human is as great as he romanticizes. Just my opinion.

[@isaachester8475]

Seems to me like he thought in two extremes: highly of the human race to produce some perfect superhuman, and poorly of the human race that everyone else was just scum. His mentality is very off.

[@kiljaeden5405]

School is very femcentric