Why self-driving cars are a LIE!

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We’ve got some news for you… Self-driving cars are a LIE!
Now we hear you - you’ve probably seen a couple of self-driving cars shown off by some manufacturers. And what’s more, you’ve also probably heard that new Teslas come including self-driving tech!
Well here’s the thing… Any self-driving car you’ve seen from a manufacturer is only a concept. There are currently NO self-driving cars in production! And what’s more, when it comes to Tesla, although they do apparently include self-driving tech, we can assure you that it’s temperamental at the best of times!
So the question is - will we ever see a self-driving car go into production in our lifetime?! There’s only one way to find out… Join Mat for his latest video and see for yourself!
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[@Tomoyo0827]

“When will people started to realize flying cars are just aero planes, because if your car flys why the bloody would you drive anywhere?” - James May

[@George-Chris]

Maybe because some people want to enjoy both driving and flying. Like one day you'd like to feel the rush when you speed up on a fastlane, and other times you don't want to get stuck in traffic so you fly

[@anshulrao5581]

@@George-Chris having wings will spoil the driving dynamics

[@Dutchempireball]

cars can fly when you are in a race car and crash and get yeeted in the sky

[@George-Chris]

@Aryan A well maybe something like a flying license combined with a driving license would work. I'd say it should be similar to a helicopter. As for the weight, maybe scientists will find lighter materials for such cars, combined with lighter engines (I mean electric engines are probably already much lighter than diesel or petrol ones)

[@George-Chris]

@@anshulrao5581 retractable wings would be quite something though

[@sarper94]

"Cars that drive themselves were invented ages ago. They are called taxis." -James May

[@VaunShiz]

😂😂 I always think of this

[@ilmelangolo]

ahahahhahahaah😂😂 when did he say that?

[@herethere2091]

@@ilmelangolo 1987

[@neutron8764]

😂😂😂😂😂👌🏽

[@Ren_1106]

James May the goat.

[@SeaDadLife]

Well said. My industry had its own experience with overheated projections by analysts. 40 years ago everyone wanted to be in the industrial robotics business. Money was easy to get, and people were becoming rich by taking companies public before ever shipping a product. Within 5 years reality had set in because robotics is hard. The actual market was less than 1/10 what analysts predicted. Oh, and the analysts had moved on to predicting the stellar future of the next Cinderella technology.

[@johannes6721]

I've been to India before the pandemic and I wonder how a self driving car would handle the traffic over there 🧐. Wouldn't surprise me if the computer crashes and shuts the car down entirely 😄.

[@kunalk1234]

I think one solution to chaotic driving in India is take driving completely out of human control 🙃. Having said that technology can't be prepared to handle all the situations at the moment anywhere. And Elon Musk knows how to stay in news.

[@EpicsodeOne]

Well now it's much easier after the pandemic.

[@Genious.]

And then the thirty people riding o top of the car will have to find alternate transportation.

[@bjornnordgren7258]

Well infact - if ALL cars were self driving in India, the traffic would be much better. The humans are the ”chaos theory” per see. But since India probably never will have all their vehicles as self driving, the dream of self driving cars is just a dream. On top of that there is the cast system, were thoose higher up in the system thinks they have the right to go through the traffic faster than the others.

[@johannes6721]

@@bjornnordgren7258 I think the way to a more sustainable, better organized and less busy traffic is not to get everyone in their own self driving car. We should focuse more on public transportation instead of wasting tons of money into ridiculous ideas like self driving cars and pods traveling through tubes.

[@Xenon0000000000001]

The fact that we still have pilots and train drivers shows how difficult it is to fully automate transportation, and self-driving cars are a massively more difficult problem to solve than those.

[@user-gl4sd9xe3b]

True!

[@Xenon0000000000001]

@@chad9331 I know there are some automated trains out there, but only where the whole line was created specifically to be automated. If we were close to having fully automated cars then all trains would be using the same tech by now. What you said about the need for pilots applies even more for cars, which is why we may never see true self-driving cars.

[@Xenon0000000000001]

@@chad9331Most, but not all, which is the problem. The number of scenarios for a self driving car to cope with is infinite and manual intervention will always need to be there to cope with them.

[@barryfeatherstone1616]

No, that just shows how much power the Unions have.

[@nicolj434]

One of the reasons that there are still train driver is that unions are blocking its implementation to protect their members jobs

[@LM-oh3vw]

Everyone who has been to Naples, Italy, knows that a self driving car there is absolutely impossible.

[@DJTUK]

The Savastano's wouldn't allow it anyway

[@vikkysawant1271]

Have you ever driven in mumbai at rush hour?

[@LM-oh3vw]

@@vikkysawant1271 I've just heard about it, and apparently it's absurd

[@vikkysawant1271]

@@LM-oh3vw well im from india its scary as hell

[@ct4928]

Lol yes or Istanbul in Turkey haha 😛 test a Tesla around Arc de triomphe in Paris 😮

[@Jeremy-mc2ut]

There is a period in the history of everything that works when it didn't. Never is a long time. It may take 5, 10, 20 years but level 4/5 self driving will happen eventually.

[@gary3074]

Teleportation doesn’t work currently. Some things just aren’t possible…..

[@gytefisk]

It’s a pretty bold claim to say that human technology will stay on current status que for the next billion or more years to come. It took us a lot of investments, man power and time to get us to the moon or building a pyramid. But inventively we got there. It may take 20 years, 50 or 500 years, but as long as the technology advances and get better every year, there will be a point in time where we can pat us on the back and say that we have self driving cars. There’s no don’t in my mind.

[@brettboyd1967]

@@gytefisk Jeremy is right it will happen eventually. anyone who lacks vision is simply wrong. sorry

[@robhughes645]

It's already here. Not sure what Matt has been reading but this tech is a few years away.

[@Erik-op2hy]

@@gary3074 self driving cars isn’t as special as teleportation… give it time and we will have self driving cars…

[@superjinx]

The must have feature for crowded city drivers, driverless search for parking lots and self park. We can just get off and send it off to hunt for parking spaces. Bonus feature to detect parking attendants and auto leave.

[@sportbikejesus6297]

I’m no fan of autonomous cars but the way tech works is that there is always progress. Eventually we will get there. It’s inevitable, Mr Anderson.

[@gianlucasini612]

Totally agree - we won't see them tomorrow, but in some years they will be the normality.

[@holahola-gp6vd]

you are falling for a logical fallacy. the fact that something improves over time does not mean that it will keep improving for ever or reaching a critical mass that other people believe. it might be and it might not. the way it seems today it is very hard if not impossible at the moment.

[@Superku]

I'm all for driver assistance systems like pre-collision assist but hell no to self-driving. I want to drive myself.

[@George-Chris]

Could be useful if you drive thousands of miles at once, like big truck drivers do. That could help them a lot. Or when you're tired/drunk, much better if you'd have such systems where you don't drive at all

[@LetitDrive]

@@George-Chris I do lot of driving and I bought Comma AI Openpilot system to my car. Makes driving more chill and relaxing.

[@CharlesBangwiner]

Wrong perspective. Driving yourself is fine. What about all of the other drivers that don't give a crap about crashing into you?

[@TschingisTube]

@@CharlesBangwiner its always the „others“ and everybody is the best driver , car accidents are the biggest unsolved riddle 😀

[@lachlanB323]

@@TschingisTube IKR! This people are fools.

[@HarryNinetyFour]

It’ll never happen in the UK unless roads are drastically redesigned. Cars parked on the side of the road just scare the car, thin roads, roundabouts, strange junctions... It’ll only ever work for motorways here

[@jordanshim380]

I'd give it a year, two tops. This video is incredibly uninformed.

[@jeanackle]

I very much doubt it will be different anywhere else. I'm sure no matter how good the motorways are, every single country in the world will have its own network of "bad" roads, and a few may not even have good enough motorways.

[@meekoshmoo1626]

Ayyyyye my boy harry, love your vids, so simple with the how to’s

[@IanWitts]

@@jordanshim380 Then you need to own one! They're rubbish. My journey yesterday (300 mile round trip) had at least two moments of sheer terror as my car made two crazy decisions.

[@NjoyMoney]

Stop beeing such a boomer, "will never happen" is about the most delusional take ive seen, you would have said back in the days that mobile phones are impossible

[@pekemo]

Mostly agree. After working in software and tech for 40 years (call me a dinosaur, but one with experience), I see things going awry in three areas: software, hardware, environment. We've already seen autonomous driving software interpret a sunset as a yellow light, or not seeing a white truck (fatality resulted), not recognizing construction barriers or repainted lane markers, etc. Hardware sensors or cameras not doing their job right, or a little spray paint or petroleum jelly on a camera by malicious vandals would throw things off, as a mischievously placed magnet might. Environmental factors include heavy rain, freezing rain, snow, dust storm, potholes, obstacles on road, etc. Ever drive into a rising sun, as on Rte 2 East towards Boston? It's more than just a big programming problem. We should be happy with things like adaptive cruise control, auto-braking in emergencies, and inter-vehicle communication.

[@tgscheepers]

Agree. These features should be advertised as DRIVING ASSISTS and nothing more than that. I love using it all in my 7-series, but I’ve experienced it on numerous occasions when they simply stop working due to heavy rain, dirt on the windscreen, numbers, etc. and you have to be wide awake when they fail. One thing Matt mentioned is how the car would detect people or obstacles and then just suddenly swerve or hit the brakes. This is probably one of the most annoying and scariest things I hate about it. What freaks me out in particular is that when it does happen I always pray that whoever’s behind me is not asleep at the wheel as this is territory for a massive accident in the making. I’d be surprised if there hasn’t been an accident by now. Big Tech think they’ve got this all sussed, but I have surprise for them: it ain’t gonna happen.

[@PK-xu7gu]

It will happen once we get mass 5G or 6G coverage. Then we will have vehicle to vehicle communications alongside, radar, cameras etc. The cars will also talk to the infrastructure,like traffic lights etc. So, yea it will happen. People didn't think we could fly a plane, we went to the moon, we have trains that now do 3-400kmh.

[@Gianniz27]

@@PK-xu7gu Only one thing will be missed from that future. Humans.

[@PK-xu7gu]

@@Gianniz27 You what?

[@HDnatureTV]

@@Gianniz27 - Global Warming right? Or woke education, anti capitalism, and socialistic BS.... with no understanding of economics.

[@okithdesilva129]

Hey Mat I'm waiting for the drag race with a Bugatti Chiron SS against a Rimac Nevera make it soon

[@brianbrainmusic]

Rimac would smoke Chiron easy

[@viggoketelaar7106]

You think they can just get 2 insane cars whenever they want 🤔

[@WS-lt4nd]

Still waiting for yianny v mat sprint

[@buntyjha]

@@WS-lt4nd Their have been so many

[@Zaman730]

No we need Rimac vs The Plaid

[@jochem1986]

"This video will age poorly :)" - Wright Brothers, 1903

[@Xenon0000000000001]

I'm pretty sure that 60 years ago everyone would have thought that we'd have intelligent humanoid robots by now, but some problems aren't that easy to solve. A true self-driving car will need a level of intelligence for decision making that we're not even close to.

[@drsocialist5572]

@@Xenon0000000000001 A main reason why you don't have humanoid robots is because they didn't have real economic incentive in the past. Therefore, there were no huge investments made in them. Going to the Moon was also impossible for people in the 1950s

[@insanetrickster]

@@drsocialist5572 And people in the 60's and 70's genuinely believed we'd have a moon base by now. As some people think that humans will eventually develop FTL travel and explore the galaxy. For every successful innovation, how many peter out and depart into a puff of smoke?

[@drsocialist5572]

@@insanetrickster We did not build a base on Moon not because we don't have the technology but because our politicians are not long sighted. There isn't any immediate incentive for anyone to go to the moon and build a base. You would need huge investments in modern times and hope they pay off in the future. "As some people think that humans will eventually develop FTL travel and explore the galaxy. For every successful innovation, how many peter out and depart into a puff of smoke?", So you believe we won't? Ummm... Okay. Humanoid Robots might sound cool, but a lot of our tasks are already automated. From washing machines to coffee makers, you don't genuinely need a humanoid robot. A Mobile Phone today might seem super futuristic to a kid in the 60s because it has huge economic incentives. At the end of the day, a lot of technologies die not because they are not created but because they don't make sense.

[@tastytechaddictsmtb]

It already has aged badly, self drive taxis already here with no driver kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3PWiHmwnLp1h7s

[@Bahnz1985]

While I agree that the progress of self-driving cars has been routinely overhyped by the industry, it’s way too early to say the tech is a “lie”. We already have pilot programmes of level 4 self-driving vehicles up and running. The comparison with flying vehicles is also a poor one. The fuel cost alone of putting a car in the sky is always going to make it a non-starter (at least until we can get a Mr Fusion installed). By comparison, the economic case for automated vehicles makes obvious sense, which is why so much more investment is going into the technology. And yes, the roll-out of AV’s is going to make a lot of insurance lawyers very rich, but let’s not pretend like the courts aren’t already awash with disputes about driver-related incidents. I think it’ll be a long time for the technology to come to fruition. Maybe 5-10 years for the first level 5 pilot programmes, 10-15 years before true AV’s become commercially available and 30+ years before driverless cars make up a significant fraction of the global fleet. But it’s way too early to write the tech off at this stage.

[@sirtipzy]

In 2002 the first Roomba came out and even though it was said to be a autonomous vacuum it was not what you wanted from a autonomous vacuum, it was more of a gimmick. Today 20 years later autonomous vaccums work amazing and are truly autonomous.

[@schprinklerrr1956]

good thing roombas aren't lethal when in motion

[@donn.4766]

Lol, when the roombas malfunction which they do because i have one. Nobody dies.

[@hollymolly518]

@@donn.4766 Hardly get injured too lol

[@movement2contact]

Right... because slowly moving in 2D space and instantly stopping when some object appears in front unexpectedly, is the same as self-driving cars...

[@jkliao6486]

It takes 20 years to work out how a small vacuum on wheels should work in a small closed environment. Imagine who long it takes to work out how a several ton metal block on wheels should work in a large open environment.

[@billienomates1606]

You hit the nail on the head 'IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY' lots of these projects attract a staggering amount of investment and even if they flop those who are involved can become rich very quickly.

[@stephencharlo9943]

Never say never if u look back and what has been done tech wise nothing has succeeded on first trial

[@TheWatcherInTheTower]

Exactly how can you become rich very quick;y investing in technologies that flop?

[@MF-rtard89]

@@TheWatcherInTheTower >receive funding for green vehicle project >falsify and hide unspent money in expense reports >intentionally fail >pocket unspent money >go "bankrupt"

[@borderlessdoctordesu9459]

@@MF-rtard89 that’s called a scam, they can do that with any other topics, not exclusive to tech

[@MF-rtard89]

@@borderlessdoctordesu9459 I know.

[@hughmp]

Looking forward to seeing how well this ages. Reminds me of those videos about the internet in the 80s

[@martinfowmes3157]

You should see a few of the 80s Tomorrows World. 🤔

[@635cz]

On the other hand, in the sixties people thought we'd be having holidays on the Moon by now. And where we are? Not even travelling supersonic anymore.

[@martinfowmes3157]

@@635cz exactly. 👍🏼

[@donn.4766]

I grew up in the 80s, and if you watch movies from the 60s and 70s as well, they are more wrong than right about the future. Hell the internet in its current form wasn’t really predicted in movies. The ironic thing is, most the shit in the movies never came true, yet things that did were rarely in the movies. Holodecks Flying cars Beaming/teleportation Easy comfortable space travel Robots Self driving cars None of that stuff is true.

[@ronforman6607]

This guy is totally correct! Great for manufacturers and electronics companies! More profits!

[@altoclef6688]

Living on the countryside, even a simple lane assist system is interesting. If I have it on, sometimes my car tries to steer into oncoming traffic. That is because the road is so narrow there is only one marked lane for both directions and when you meet another car you have to drive at the edge of the paved surface or even slightly outside it. Meeting bigger vehicles, you must find a side road or similar. But the lane assist simply looks at the painted line, which obviously must be driven on or outside when meeting other cars, so it tries to correct you back into the middle of the road.

[@GregBaron]

Im glad someone has finally made a video about this. These cars are so flawed its unreal.

[@Thepurplepanther606]

Yea the electric car push is a straight bs move

[@michelbruns]

Im not glad that no one is noticing the flaws and bad research of this video

[@gbej1]

@@michelbruns Use your common sense. Anyone who does any decent amount of driving and is aware about the volume of variables involved with driving and roads in general will understand how it will be near impossible to replicate that with a machine to the degree similar to that of a physical driver. But I’m aware many people like to live in fantasy

[@michelbruns]

@@gbej1 you probably wouldve said some thing like "itll never work" about the internet or whatever too a few years ago

[@635cz]

​@@michelbruns Let's just say it won't happen in our lifetimes.

[@bunsenn5064]

I don’t like the premise of driverless cars. I’m still a fan of the systems like PilotAssist and adaptive cruise control, where the car does most of the work while the driver oversees the car and jumps in when something goes wrong on the road. A system where the car works in tandem with the driver is better than a system where it works entirely on its own.

[@phallusy6574]

I like the premise of driverless cars, as long as they are also passengerless and stationary... and tiny (1 inch - aka MicroMachines)

[@SuperLala33]

Dear Matt, i can understand your reasoning with the overpromising and underdeleverling. "They" said it would be here already but it has been proven to be a hard problem to solve. Currently there are roughly 2 approaches : 1) Tesla vision ( camera and software based) 2) geofencing and lidar based systems (rest of the industry). Last option you need to scan the whole surrounding first and that is very costly to do and maintain. Also u need a lot of sensors to match the current situatie with the orginal map. So in short : expensive and very difficult to scale, so only really viable for city environments so a lot of people can make use of the system. Tesla uses video cameras linked to AI to train their neural net and make him understand what is actually going on and make decisions based on that. U need a lot of real world data and neural net traning together with a lot of other stuff to make that reliable and safe. I understand your sceptism but i encourage you and everybody else to look at some of the latest Tesla beta software how that is coming along. You might be suprised how much progress they are making at the moment 🙂 latest version to look for is 10.8, cheers!

[@hennomarais]

Totally agree. Tesla is close. It is going to happen.

[@arieldav95]

Finally someone with a brain 👏

[@josephpeterson6370]

Yeah this video seemed incredibly anti-scientific. It is not a question of if, it’s a question of when.

[@hennomarais]

I think if your livelihood depends on arguing against what is happening his comments makes sense.

[@nh_2923]

The best way is to merge the data of Radar, Lidar and Camera, because every Sensor has advantages in different points. (Camera is crap if its dark or bad view). The difficulty in full autonoumos driving is that every (!) situation can be handled by the car. Teslas Autopilot is SAE level 2, and its a long way to go to 3, 4 and 5 (maybe impossible). I can't understand why this is named "autopilot".

[@JayMadyal]

FINALLY! Someone like Mat who's in the mainstream has spoken about my constant wondering with respect to these SciFi and unrealistic "Self Driving" car promises made to us.

[@tastytechaddictsmtb]

What’s going on here ?, no driver 🤷 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3PWiHmwnLp1h7s

[@donn.4766]

@@tastytechaddictsmtb its geofenced, its not true self driving AI. You do know the waymo is actually remote monitored by a whole team of people right? The most recent version of the tesla fsd just had an accident lol. Planes can pretty much fly themselves, yet they still have pilots to make corrections. Fully autonomous has a long way to go. Every single company has FAILED in their promise to deliver self driving in the last decade. I’d say in 15-20 years they may reach level 3-4 autonomy. They have been working on this for decades, since sci fi movies had the ideas in the 1980s….we’ve come far, but still have a long ways to go.

[@David34981]

I'm not convinced of 'never'. It's certain that we are still quite a far way off. However do not underestimate the power of tipping points.

[@lejeunefilshandyman8447]

Guess every road will have to be remodelled.....

[@dbclass4075]

@@lejeunefilshandyman8447 Or the automation is advanced enough to even take account of road imperfections. It is possible in the future, but not now.

[@Cristobal_Ygnacio_Arriaga]

We have flying cars, they’re called “helicopters” and even with today’s technology they are still among the most difficult machines to operate in the world.

[@wildcat1065]

Haven't seen too many of them on the road so, no, they are aircraft.

[@Cristobal_Ygnacio_Arriaga]

@@wildcat1065 of course you haven’t, because they can flight! Mind blowing right?

[@Nonaubiz]

Stupid comments 🥇. Today we have drones that fly themselves. Comparing a helicopter to a flying car is like comparing an electric car to a horse.

[@hjkhjk2246]

Very true

[@GozieZilla]

And they are dangerous.

[@huaixuanli5283]

“Coming later this year” or “coming soon” was noted on Tesla autopilot option every year since 2017 (when I was a fan and started to pay attention). Tesla must be lucky since I never heard they get sued for this, a misleading statement that lead you to pay for something doesn’t exist yet. God bless those early buyers, may you have a trip with the autopilot before the car’s retirement.

[@simonrook5743]

They have been sued….

[@okthisisthelasttimeipromise]

Lol Wut? You’re KNOWINGLY buying software that has not yet been approved for wide release. You pay $10-$12k in the hopes that once FSD is solved, it may 10x the value of that investment. Wake up.

[@huaixuanli5283]

@@okthisisthelasttimeipromise Who is telling the story FSD would bring 10x the value of the investment, is it Tesla? It's very obvious that FSD gonna make HUGE money by replacing human drivers in many industries, so I don't think Tesla will give up that profit and share with car owners. I believe what gonna happen in the end is, FSD "consumer license" would be only for "private purpose", charging "commercial users" on a monthly rate seems to be financial solution for Tesla to go in the next few decades. They made people believe that you can spend $12000 to buy a robot slave driver for eternity and keep making money from it, but based on my limited experiences with the capitalism and free market, that's not gonna happen.

[@timeTegus]

@@okthisisthelasttimeipromise nobody will buy selve driving for 100k.

[@AC-io8qs]

Thank you, Mat. Thank you for not hopping on board the hype train and actually analyzing the reality of the situation. It's probably not a popular opinion, but it is the best formed one. Also anyone that has a car equipped with an AEB (Autonomous Emergency Braking) system knows that false alerts are real, obnoxious, and sometimes downright dangerous.

[@saladien9987]

After talking to some Engineers at Bosch I can just strongly disagree. The cars that are released now are 5-10 years old technology. In the Test Centers and Test cities there they are using prototypes of the expected tech for BBC a release in 5-10 Years and that is Level 4+. Don’t compare your Level 2 with what’s currently being developed. And I’m not considering Tesla to even participate in this race to be the first to have a fully working system. Most innovation is happening at Magna, Bosch etc. and we will see it within a decade. Then the regulation has to catch up :D. And then the standardisation happens while more and more systems are fighting till one prevails

[@AC-io8qs]

@@saladien9987 Guess we'll see, but I doubt it my guy; I also have people I know who are working on the development of these systems in both GM and Ford (I live near Detroit).

[@saladien9987]

@@AC-io8qslet’s see :), from my driving of a ford Kuga as a rent car it shocked me deeply how behind they are. It felt like a car from the 80. Anyway my wife’s university dose autonomous research and that’s quite promising especially if we consider how many issues will be solved by it.

[@raeldor]

Self driving is a tough nut to crack. But it WILL be cracked... at some point in the future (realistically still at least a few years away). The big question is, is your car future-proofed to be able to add the feature. With Tesla, I have more faith that the hardware currently installed will be up to the task, and that software updates can and will be rolled out. I can't say the same with other manufacturers. To be honest though, right now I'd settle for just being able to be hands and eyes off on motorways only. I think that is an easier problem to solve and would be a great first step. I hope this rolls out to more cars in the next couple of years and that Tesla make that mode available separately from full self driving so it can be enabled in countries that have given it the seal of approval.

[@91325able]

As someone working in the field, I agree full autonomy is still a long shot. Nevertheless what most of the mentioned programs promised was level 3 (autonomous in a specific domain with driver intervention within 10s). Mercedes brought that to market (albeit in the most minimalist domain possible). But others will follow soon and extend the domain. It's called the mars mission of the automotive industry for a reason. L5 is not going to happen any time soon, but I am confident we will get there eventually. Legislation is not going to be the issue once the technology is ready. I worry more about motion sickness and public acceptance once those cars will drive around in a very safety-centric way religiously obeying speed limits. By the way, Tesla's marketing is deceiving and illegal in the EU. I regard it as near to impossible to achieve an ASIL-D functional safety rating required for level 3 with the sensor set provided for the simple fact that it does not offer redundancy. It's probably never gonna be more than an admittedly very good level 2 system.

[@monkeyperson9392]

which sensors does a human have that a Tesla doesn't have to drive? in what way do you need redundancy?

[@LEA82345]

@@monkeyperson9392 A brain for example? Like you...

[@danhersey2531]

@@monkeyperson9392 Sound? When we hear a siren from a police car, or the horn from another driver alerting us, when we hear the squealing of brakes, etc. Touch, you can tell through feedback in the wheel if your tires have sat too long, how the road surface is, how hard you’re pressing each pedal, etc. Your inner ear allows you to determine velocity and gives you a proper perception of speed. Then there’s the cognitive schemas you’ve built in your brain for years as you’ve encounter driving incidents with other drivers that allows you to predict the outcome of interactions with other drivers in the road.

[@monkeyperson9392]

@@danhersey2531 they do have microphones. they also do have accelerometers. these cars also have computer brains and their software can be teached. I recommend to watch the Tesla AI day presentation.

[@VL1975]

LMAO...you're worried about fucking motion sickness. No...keep your car fantasies to yourself.

[@mauricioweber8879]

Really really nailed it!! It is the psychology and human laws that will hinder autonomous driving even if it has statistics on its side! We will never forget if two Teslas cause fatal accidents, even when 10,000 random drunk drivers casualties could be avoided! How can we get around this??

[@guildrich]

You have to understand that no computer or machine will ever be able to adapt like the human brain can. No, humans are not perfect, but neither is the technology that we create. And as far as "statistics", keep in mind that so far, there are only a literal handful of *_truly_* automated cars that exist as prototypes, and they can only operate in certain areas. What happens when there's *_hundreds of millions_* of them on the road? You can't tell me that *_all_* of them are going to operate flawlessly 24/7. Hell, most game developers can't get the AI to work flawlessly in *_virtual_* environments! How the hell are these AI-driven cars going to cope with an infinite amount of variables in the *_real_* world?!

[@guildrich]

@Renzo "pTw" Rugnone And yet, the most technologically advanced aircraft *_still_* have humans at the controls. Why? Because there will never be a computer that does not require human intervention at some point.

[@HeeeyImaNad]

There’s two sides here: either enjoy driving and drive yourself or use public transit/hail a cab. Or walk or bike. Walking and biking are cool.

[@F.S92]

Looking how at best "testing" locations the AI gets confused, there is no way self driving cars can work in Eastern Europe. Where no proper signalling exists, roads are more potholes than asphalt and there are no track lines half of the time.

[@JarJarBinkz68]

it would be a disaster in india, vietnam, indonesia, etc.

[@F.S92]

@@JarJarBinkz68 Replace that "disaster" with "impossible". I have been to India. Those cars would just scan the street, see the horror and just shut down, hahahaha!

[@Wings_of_foam]

Potholes like in USA?

[@surrealtom1437]

@@Wings_of_foam no, Potholes like in the Balkans. Pretty big difference

[@F.S92]

@@Wings_of_foam dont ever compare potholes from any place vs Balkans. (except maybe India). My capitol has holes where your entire car can fall in to...on the main roads! That's why the sensation of "driving" is lost here. Is more of how fast can you drive while being able to scan for potholes & indents, while occasionally checking the road & traffic.

[@ivormectin515]

About 120 years ago we were of the belief that ‘heavier than air vehicles will never fly’. Thank god there are people out there who are a whole lot smarter and adventurous than Matt otherwise we’d not yet have invented the wheel.

[@gulnoorthoughtso3082]

Yup, there’ll always be geniuses who prove people like Matt wrong

[@-SP.]

You dimwit, the biggest hurdle is the legal one. Laws take forever to change

[@gulnoorthoughtso3082]

@@-SP. doesn’t mean they’ll never change

[@146348]

Why would anyone want a self-driving car? Maybe it’s just me but I’ve never quite got the actual point behind why.

[@NikesZ28]

Yes, why!? If one dont want to drive just take a Taxi 😄

[@mr123undead]

Because most car in the form of fwd 120hp econobox and they are boring to drive

[@roryreddog3258]

The legal issue that you think is insurmountable is simply not… When Tesla in 2022 or 2023 say they consider the cars to be “Level 4 Autonomous” it is TESLA who is responsible for the car causing a crash. Not only that,the car’s 8 cameras record the entire scenario so the other driver involved cannot simply lie about what happened.

[@garenson]

"Never" is a dangerous word when talking about technology. I agree that there will probably be edge cases and conditions where it will not work (for a long time), so general LV5 autonomy (no steering wheel) won't happen this decade. Some niche applications, like LV5 long distance trucks that drive from city border to city border might happen earlier. LV4 autonomy, that works better than a human driver >99% of the time I see happening before or by 2025. If conditions are off or to complicated for the car, the driver then can just take over and it will still be a massive improvement over today. If those edge cases are well defined and very rare, I would still consider this full self driving even if it technically can't drive itself all the time.

[@dougritchie5305]

When talking tech never is strong, however the legal side well that could. Im also yet to see a driver less car reverse a trailer into a drive then place it between bushes. Not a common thing to public but a must for tradies. Also if no wheel how get in a wash bay and or on lawn to wash, or on lawn next to other cars, only see them on a road

[@maxb2787]

2025 is just as unrealistic as 2020 was 5 years ago, when Elon said it. Who knows what will be the standard of 2050, but for the forseeable future it wont happen. Even if it worked, it would constantly be in need of assistance with its own, or especially other peoples mistakes. Even more so, if the majority of cars is still driver operated, it wouldnt be relaxing at all. So whats the point. In the end, self driving cars will go slower as most people would drive themselfs.

[@nicememebro69]

Lol no chance. Maybe LV4 on just major highways by 2030

[@trancendedmindpalace]

My model 3 just received V10.8. I strongly agree that lvl4 will be here in 12 months. In this video Car Wow doesn't go deep on FSD city streets. My guess is because its not available to UK.

[@debestcanadian]

"the driver can then just take over" Right there is the biggest problem with the "evolutionarily" model towards self-driving. With every baby-step forward towards full autonomy, the driver is less and less engaged with the task of staying focused on driving. Yet, until we get to full autonomy, the driver is expected to be prepared to reassert full control at a moment's notice. This is simply unrealistic. The only step I'm interested in is the "revolutionary" one, where the car is demonstrably superior at driving itself to such a degree that the steering wheel and pedals are no longer required. As long as I am responsible for the operation moment to moment, it's better that I just drive it myself.

[@divandrew79]

HONDA released“Honda LEGEND Honda Sensing Elite”this year in Japanese domestic market.

[@LetitDrive]

Still not full autonomy. I'm using 1200$ Openpilot system in my Honda Civic. Makes stock systems to Level 2

[@N-C51]

@@LetitDrive Actually driver of Level 3 Honda Legend can use full autonomous mode on traffic jam on highway. Of course using smart phone, watching TV and reading a book while driving are allowed by law.

[@user-ri7vx6wc7o]

LIE !

[@digglerdiggler]

@@N-C51 sounds like what Mercedes is able to do in 2022

[@bunsenn5064]

@@digglerdiggler Shit hits the fan when level 4 autonomy comes around. Rimac’s already doing that with the Nevera. The level of computing power in those things is insane.

[@arisaga822]

I find myself leaning more and more towards classic cars with absolutely no electric wizardry.

[@HDnatureTV]

Wait till you get into an accident without ABS brakes or airbag as your ribs impact the steering wheel of your classic totaled car and your near dead self - Darwin Award! Just get a motorcycle instead, way more fun, cheeper and like a bike riding on the road just as deadly vs and SUV.

[@Schmitzelhaus]

@@HDnatureTV Maybe you should watch some of your videos if the name is appropriate, so you don´t come off so passive aggressive? He means no automatic driving assistance systems like lane keep or distance assistent. A airbag is hardly wizardry. And i completely agree with him, solely for the fact that if/when any of them make problems you can´t do shit about it yourself. You always have to pay the manufactorer for it and i rather like to work on my car myself instead of someone i don´t know and can´t supervise.

[@schprinklerrr1956]

I honestly don't know if I'd every find a use for an autonomous car. If I want to cover a long journey and just sleep the whole way, I buy a rail ticket

[@arisaga822]

@@Schmitzelhaus Got it in one, dude.

[@alanray124]

I think technology should enable the driver and stop trying to replace them

[@dbclass4075]

Or maybe that is the exact problem: enable as much as technology can, drivers are still stupid. Hence, the motivation to replace them. Though, forcing stupid drivers to take mass transit instead is far more plausible.

[@shammyh]

Self driving cars aren't yet ready, but you aren't an American and don't have access to the latest version of Tesla's software. They lock down many features for the EU/non-American market. Hands off the wheel driving already exists over here and Teslas are already driving on city streets with the beta software. So yes, not there yet, but the writing is clearly on the wall and I wouldn't bet against it...

[@magnustan841]

That got really passionate, Mat. Never seen that side of you since the “Worse Car Trends” video…… I personally never bought into self-driving, fully autonomous cars, for the reason somewhat hinted to at the end of the video. No matter how much investment car makers make into it, no matter how much noise they make, worldwide legislation won’t allow it. I think car makers should get to the levels Tesla are at with their “Autopilot”, that will do simple lane changes and effective cruise control on motorways, where cars are travelling faster and drivers without assistance need to be more alert, and stop there. That’s all the automation i’ll ever want in a car. Let’s not forget about the increased costs of cars more advanced autonomous technology, will bring. To be honest, we strike the best balance of driving assistance and human-operated driving right now.

[@yann664]

Hi Matt. Yes, at the moment they do silly things and they aren't capable of dealing with the unpredictable as you said. But, when all cars are self driving which they pretty much will be in 30 years, then they will not only be predicable but constantly telling each other what they are doing so it won't be a problem.

[@ryanpinder9053]

This, people greatly underestimate the potential of machine learning

[@Orbilfolda]

@@ryanpinder9053 I run a ML company and I think that the capabilities of "AI" are vastly overestimated. It's a well-known problem of breakthroughs: the actual progress is S-shaped, but is incorrectly assumed to be linear. In plain English: the better Algorithm driven cars become the harder it becomes to improve them (more time, more data, more resources). All autonomous driving startups had to learn this in the last years ... See for example Starsky Robotics.

[@ac0pt]

@@ryanpinder9053 Its quite the opposite, everyone hypes STUPID IA and MACHINE LOLRNING Even Elon Musk knows he wont do it any time soon, but will say it otherwise

[@TwilightsChapter13]

@@ryanpinder9053 It's not machine learning, it's just a lot of if statements. I worked in automation; people greatly overestimate the potential of machine learning.

[@1flash3571]

@@Orbilfolda Elon keeps telling others that ML IS NOT Linear but idiots keep thinking that it is from their response/answers to the videos, or reports.

[@csuporj]

In 2005 I did pedestrian detection as my final project at the university. Then I guessed that it will take at least 10 years for commercially viable self driving cars to appear. I was wrong, there still aren't any.

[@F.S92]

Do you know that video or picture where a toddler is learning how to walk, while the parent has their hands behind them in case the baby decides to fall on its ass? That's basically what owners of these "self driving cars" do. They "chill" while inside getting their nerves shredded by thoughts of how this system can decide to do something stupid any second. BUT HEEEY its "SELF DRIVING" (even though I work more mentally by having to monitor the AI. Than I would just driving the damn car myself)

[@91325able]

Great comparison, but autonomous technology is also still in its infancy. It's gonna come around eventually, just like that toddler.

[@NO3V]

There is a difference between the child of scientists walking through the grass and the genetically brain-dead offspring of AUDI-fans walking through an antique glass-ware store. Same for cars.. Sorry you don't get it.

[@joseluisruiz8526]

Thanks for the video, Mat. Definitely, the legal framework is one of the key points determining the implementation of the self-driving technology. That is clearly overlooked when making promises: may technology allow the implementation of a self-driving car by next year? Maybe. Will the legal framework be ready? Certainly not. And that is for objects moving on the surface. Now, have a look at flying cars, self-driving flying taxis - with no pilot on board BTW - and the like lot, with a 100 times more complex laws and regulations. If what has been done with self-driving cars could be called “overpromising”, I am out of adjectives to qualify what has been stated regarding flying cars and self-driving flying taxis. Cheers.

[@joeleonard9965]

That isn't the issue. The issue is that there are an infinite number of truly unique and one-off driving situations that the AI can't prepare for. This means a tiny bit of snow covering a stop sign in a unique pattern every time. The moon in different positions not being recognized so it is being picked up as stop signs on autopilot, etc etc. This becomes even more serious when it is a flipped over truck of a truck type not previously seen which is all of them because they are all different places and vehicles.

[@joseluisruiz8526]

@@joeleonard9965 Sorry, Mr. Leonard, I don't see how your answer proves that the legal framework is not the issue. And, additionally, those one-off driving situations you describe are not a real challenge for any current or future situational awareness system.

[@zbyszanna]

Elon clearly underscores that the technical aspect is one thing and the legal is another one, so Tesla is in the clear here. It's entirely possible that there will be some serious legal battles over this but it's also possible it will be accepted quite easy. The history is full of changes that people deemed impossible before. California already allows for autonomous driving (to a degree) and this is because they want to allow for the truly self driving cars to arrive.

[@Tegneaufreak]

Even if they would allow it right now, it will take years for the technology to be ready, if ever. Just look at the fsd beta video’s, It’s totally sh1t. A little sunshine and it stops working. Snow on the front and it stops working. Heavy rain and it stops working. Let alone all the crazy manoeuvres it makes.

[@I_dont_want_an_at]

nope. the legal framework is not the problem. the technology is the problem. The laws will be a cinch and will be quickly developed compared to the technology

[@jma90]

Matt you are correct now, however I beg to differ about the future. There are few levels of "Autonomy" in the automotive industry as you may know, L1-L5 with 5 being fully autonomous, Tesla is currently at what is considered a L2+ or L2.5. Yes, Technology has a long way to go to reach Level 5, yes, legislation will most likely take a lot of time and for car manufacturers to start taking responsibility might take ages, but, as in other technologies, things that may have been considered impossible in the past are now a just part of our daily lives and are developing fast. I do believe that no technology would ever be more powerful than the human brain, but I also think full Autonomous driving will be available not so far into the future, maybe 10-20 years from now who knows, but it will get there. Happy new year

[@arian_s_collection]

Make that 20-30 years from now and I'm on board with your comment 👌

[@arian_s_collection]

@@justcows7772 lol Probably

[@IamRocque]

Most honest and optimistic comment.

[@Geodreamcatcher]

I agree and I am happy hearing that!! We won't forget how to drive!!

[@memikepool7019]

Once again I will just say that as long as we have not got self driving trains (which can only go forward or backwards) we will never have self drive cars. Then what about the many many people who actually ENJOY driving.

[@ChrisGBusby]

We do have self driving trains (DLR etc). But unions will never let it happen on main lines.

[@magnustan841]

An easy 70% of drivers on the road don’t LOVE driving to the point they do it for a pass time, like most of us who watch this channel. Even us enthusiast, the 30%, will feel bored driving in town, stop-start traffic and on the highway to some extent, unless you have some nice music on. Anyway, most autonomous car concepts i’ve seen have a steering wheel tucked away when the autonomous mode is engaged, so manual control is still possible.

[@Elliott2001]

@@magnustan841 autonomy will result in the loss of millions of blue collar job's and the extinction of the human race.

[@v-gun9735]

Totally agree, I have several work colleagues who don't drive and believe they don't need to as cars will be driverless in the near future. I keep telling them it won't happen for a long time.

[@eliteiel9747]

Id say give it about 20-30 years for fully driverless cars...

[@john_p]

@@eliteiel9747 much less. After the media hyping up incremental advancements as the holy grail going back years, we are finally actually getting close. Inside 5 years IMO.

[@mikemckeown5013]

While I think you are right that companies have underestimated how long it will take I think you are wrong saying it will never happen. There are already driverless robotaxi services running commercial services in several US and Chinese cities, which shows the basic problem can be solved. It just needs to be scaled up. The legal point is a good one, but again being solved, as you mention its legal now in Germany and will be in spring 2022 with ALKS in the UK, which have required changes to the law on driving and liability. Certainly ALKS is very limited, but its just the first step. Fully autonomous driving is here and scaling, but it will take longer than many companies have been predicting.

[@soumitrachatterjee4703]

You absolutely nailed it in this video. Good job Matt. Keep making new videos.

[@mauricioweber8879]

Agree sonmuch

[@tastytechaddictsmtb]

The video is wrong, the tech is being used now kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3PWiHmwnLp1h7s

[@GetOutsideYourself]

"Never" is a long time. I agree they're definitely not ready now, but sure as the sunrise, they will be here eventually. It's just a question of "when" not "if." Chances are if you're watching this video, you'll want to drive your own car most of the time. But let's be honest -- won't it be nice when all those bad drivers (nobody watching this video, surely) are replaced by ego-less computers?

[@Staromil]

Agreed, I think it would need basically roads that navigate these cars...chips in roads everywhere basically. Although originally I just wanted to cry and shout "nooo, you are a liar, they promised me my self driving car, I want it, NOW" while kicking the air lying on my back.

[@atchu5510]

As the great James May has once said "self driving cars exist, they are called taxis" 😂

[@Ammerstol]

Are they serviced by a man called Keith?

[@magnustan841]

But taxis still need someone to drive it…..

[@Ammerstol]

@@magnustan841 so you didn't get the joke....

[@magnustan841]

@@Ammerstol No I really don’t…. 😂😂😂 I don’t watch The Grand Tour….

[@acethis]

My gut feel is that all the major automotive makes are watching and waiting to see who launches the 1st autonomous car (mass produced - not prototype). And when the 1st fatality happens in an autonomous car crash, every other car brands will be watching the legal mayhem that ensues (with a bucket of popcorn 🍿).

[@petewatson9866]

I love my adaptive cruise control but on a long journey keeping my hand on the steering wheel can be a pain, with lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control both on you would think you could take your hands off the steering wheel, No! 15 seconds then the alarms come on. This is where the car companies should be focusing on

[@top10cars2]

@Shiv Shastri That's not true. Companies like General Motors have hands free driver assistance systems.

[@top10cars2]

@Shiv Shastri It monitors your eyes. So if it sees that you are looking somewhere other than at the road, it sounds an alert. So you should always be ready to take over.

[@top10cars2]

@Shiv Shastri NP

[@johnnyboy13642]

It's not 15 seconds... for me it does it every 10 minutes to warn me to move the wheel....

[@petewatson9866]

@@johnnyboy13642 lucky you

[@PuerRidcully]

Self driving AI should be unified, open source standard, developed by all manufacturers, with an overseer board of scientists. Otherwise, with many standards it will take forever to make, cause a lot of problems and it will cost many times more than it would, if there was a group effort to develop it.

[@v12-s65]

I hope not

[@christianolsen9781]

I agree - that is what it would take to get all the benefits. If everyone develops their own system, it will never work.

[@v12-s65]

@@christianolsen9781 and it will never be as efficient as a human. Because all cars need to be set up to each other, whereas a human can do whatever he wants

[@timbraska6750]

We don't build group effort technology into capitalistic products. Also open source?! Have you lost your mind?! Think about that again when a little nerd crashes your car down a cliff because you were mean to him.

[@shuaibhere]

@@timbraska6750 you don't understand open source

[@chamamemestre]

Definitely going for the list of "NOT AGED WELL" future compilations, along side the declarations of IBM CEO saying the world would never need more than 3 PCs, etc.

[@danielstapler4315]

The IBM CEO was talking about mainframe computers not personal computers.

[@ochiengwebuye3932]

I like you Mat even more this year.This has been very informative.

[@clivefrear1784]

We own a current series Volvo XC90 with many ‘intelligent’ safety features and whilst it’s a great car, many safety features are fooled by commonplace events. Not only can it be fooled, but it would be potentially easy to hijack by creating situations the car couldn’t deal with. It’s difficult to foresee a time when autonomous cars will be as safe and predictable as they need to be

[@A_S12042]

Awesome vid as always Mat!

[@pdcmoreira]

Well, AI and sensor technologies had an unbelievable evolution the past 10-15 years, so for the technical aspect of it, it's a matter of perfecting the system. However, it doesn't shock me at all if it takes another 10 years or more for those promises to be delivered and then another 10 years for the global adoption and law adjustment. As for the responsibility in accidents it will be just like it is now - insurance companies will deal with that between themselves.

[@ioandeaconu5234]

And refuse to pay, even more than today, because they or the driver are not at fault. The manufacturer is at fault. The driver had no control, so how can they be responsible? It is so difficult to figure it out that in that case they would still require you to pay attention by law, so that you are responsible. It is and will mever be a full self driving car, it would be assisted driving, still false marketing, why not, sheepel are buying it.... oh, amd hacker atacks, I can't wait for a hacker to take control of such system, or jusy disable it and cause crashes/trafic jams. It happens with phones/pc, but it is not your life on the line like in the case of cars.

[@kasiryefaighton8884]

I will save this video to show to my grand kids. I hope Mr. watson from Carwow will be still there. 😄 🤣

[@shadowred1980]

This is a brave subject to tackle, hats off for covering it.

[@propergander8509]

I can confirm: Got the enhanced autopilot package on my model 3 and while it’s amazing on busy, speed-limited motorways, taking the stress out of being in traffic, I do prefer to drive myself on our german highways. It’s a great aid, stays within lanes perfectly; you can use the gas pedal independently from autosteer to keep up with traffic flow, but the autosteer keeps bugging you to turn the steering wheel ever so slightly so it knows you’re still paying attention, which actually keeps your eyes on the screen to react to the warning instead of the road. It’d be much more helpful if the interior camera could take care of awareness monitoring so I don’t need to keep checking the screen for annoying popups.

[@knight2425]

These things are just that, a great aid but the problem is that it creates lazy and unskilled drivers. People are relying on all these aids car manufacturers are putting in the vehicles and people are losing the skill of how to actually drive a car and take evasive action when needed, same goes with self parking where people rely on cars to park themselves and thus they become useless at parking when they need to.

[@darraghfinnan3740]

Elon Musk lied (and he lies all the time). He said you could use you car tesla as a robo taxi and it will make you 40k a year if you buy a tesla.

[@v12-s65]

@@knight2425 I have 100 scenarios in my head where all of this technology wouldn't work as a human does. Thinking about pot hole roads with drivers doing tf they want

[@timbraska6750]

That whole "having to keep your hands on the steering wheel at all time" thing is a german law problem, not a self-driving problem.

[@finalfan321]

i can't wait for fully self driving cars! due to medical stuff i can't atm

[@markverhoeven7518]

I was skeptical at the title of the video, like how would you know about this anyway? Then it turned out to be a very informative video about problems with self driving cars.

[@tomthomas9495]

`The moment cars are selfdriving and flying, it's the end of the automotive era.

[@hadtobe4502]

Oh no, Tesla owners will feel jaded, and fleeced.

[@onurshenol]

fyling cars are already invented.. and they are called "helicopters" .

[@ajc5479]

I wonder why they are called Helicopters and not cars, any ideas?

[@VL1975]

Are they stupid in Latin America?

[@audunskilbrei8279]

@@ajc5479 because they use propellers to fly instead of driving around on the ground. So if they start making flying cars these cars will be helicopters. Unless they have fixed wings. Then they will be planes.

[@nirfz]

And yet the reason why "flying cars" are called flying cars is because the intention is that they can do *both* , drive on the ground like a car without needing speical roads of infrastructure, and fly. (no matter if like a plane or a helicopter) So flying cars are not helicopters because most helicopters can't drive on roads, and none can drive without needing lots of space around them for their rotors.

[@audunskilbrei8279]

@@nirfz doesn’t matter. If they defeat gravity using propellers they are, by definition, helicopters. The reason why this is even more fitting is that they will, like helicopters, be completely impractical as «flying cars».

[@timcollins380]

The most honest video you have ever done Matt. Thank you.

[@kevinmills5293]

I think, in urban areas, there will be full self drive vehicles in the form of public transport. Private vehicles won’t be allowed.

[@kevinmills5293]

@jan simonides the future looks grim. Eventually, living won’t be allowed.

[@kevinmills5293]

@jan simonides the way things are going, Musk is going to produce a real life “Skynet” and we all know what happens when that becomes “self aware”!

[@ArubaSailing]

Never say never Digital colour photography Did Mobile phones Did AI. Did Innovation knows no end. You may say that it did not, just add YET! Now thats a good journalist.

[@dsds3968]

Self driving cars is about tech bros making investors excited. There was a time when people though we'd have personal jet packs in the future.

[@donn.4766]

Exactly, tech companies get billions of money for the attempt.

[@rubenboni7702]

Another important point is missing in this video and that is the ethical question. Let’s suppose you are being driven in your autonomous car and suddenly for one reason or the other a child runs onto the road right before you. Your autonomous car sees this and can avoid the child, but by doing so will run into an oncoming truck. There is no other option, it’s either the kid or the truck. What should your car decide to do?

[@Mightymoose02]

Very interesting video. Have had the same questions as Matt raises. The biggest issue is not the tech, but who is responsible in an accident.

[@narasimhapai8014]

A truly self-driving car is when you can command it to drive across the country without passengers, refuel itself, not get stolen and so on.

[@olavgausaker1]

What has "not get stolen" has to do with self-driving?

[@user-yg2gw4je8d]

No. A true self-driving car is one that goes for drives by itself because it wants to. And refuses to take you to work because it doesn't feel like it.

[@flippy66]

Just as you say, road design (or rather lack thereof) and insurance liability (see the trolly problem thought experiment) completely prevent fully autonomous vehicles. We will see ever increasingly better driver aids, but never autonomous vehicles.

[@MarkWyche]

I agree with all of the points made. Self-driving cars need to be kept on a closed circuit. It is unreasonable to expect self-driving cars and humans to interact harmoniously. I do support putting sensors on roads and inter-vehicle communications to improve driving safety.

[@alex.x8782]

i'll visit this video again in 8 years, relaxed on my car while it's self driving

[@donn.4766]

Moving the goal posts again…2030 is it? Elon said 2017 there would be fully autonomous cars driving from NY to LA untouched lolol

[@EricOlorunfemi]

Just like every technology that we've discovered as humans, A.I will still take a very long time to be perfected. Took over a century for cars and planes to reach where they have. Games and CG effects are still being improved. Same with clothing and housing. A.I won't be any different. But it will happen. Then only driving enthusiasts like us will want to drive ourselves anywhere.

[@g0balot]

AI is marketing hype in all but the most niche of areas. A car that can go anywhere without a steering wheel is at least a hundred years off in my view.

[@roryreddog3258]

Geez Matt Fair go mate, how can you make a blanket statement like this without even referring to Tesla’s AI day not even mentioning their FSD Beta which has been driven up to 3.5 hours with zero interventions?

[@adrianwood6657]

HERE HERE… Yes Dr Lex Fridman. Who developed and teaches the AI, Neural-net and Robotics course at MIT. Tweeted “Tesla AI day presented the most amazing real-world AI & engineering effort I have ever seen in my life.” His 11 minute critique of AI Day is a must-watch for ANYONE claiming that “Self driving is a lie”

[@ace2583]

@@adrianwood6657 Sure there have been broken promises in relation to timing but this is the single largest AI problem ever tackled and delays are inevitable. But to call it a lie seems unfair.

[@MA-vu2jf]

i agree with you and the only thing I learned from video games is that never trust an AI. if you can't make an AI work perfectly in a world that you created and the rules has been defined by you then it's never gonna work in the real world which is more random action happens as you called it "unknown" events.

[@andrewallen4014]

Personally I find that engaging lane assist or intelligent cruise control means that I concentrate harder in case it screws up. Long journeys are boring enough, if he car was doing all the driving I would be bored stiff and probably scared stiff too.

[@damionlee7658]

I think you've made the same mistake many people acting as futurists have made time and again throughout history "That won't happen because I can only see these problems, and don't think there are going to be appropriate solutions". Seriously, how have people not learned that saying something well never happen if a foolish mistake? It is the same short sighted point of view people had regarding battery powered electric cars 20+ years ago - We'll never really have electric cars that are mainstream, because batteries are too heavy and don't hold enough energy - yep, that aged like milk. Is the technology to handle live roads fully autonomously ready? Absolutely not. Is there technology that can interpret non marked, non course-set geography and adapt to drive it on the fly when not having to deal with road users? yes. Autonomy on real roads with other vehicles and pedestrians is certainly a long way off. The technology is improving constantly, the mathematics is improving constantly, and the technological understanding of the challenge is improving constantly. This is not an insurmountable challenge. It is a time and money dependent challenge, and whilst investors can see a large enough future market for it, that money will continue to be there. The potential market for full autonomy is huge, so there is every reason to believe companies will continue to wrangle with the problems.

[@christianabandabella235]

The maths haven’t really improved, we just have a lot more data to train the same algorithms

[@damionlee7658]

@@christianabandabella235 well that's demonstrably untrue. There is constant research to develop new algorithms for varied functionality. A couple of recent examples: the University of Delaware discussed in 2020 their research and development work for an algorithm to improve vehicle dynamics and powertrain operation. Also last year, Northwestern University discussed their work on a novel algorithm related to collision free swarm behaviour. Again, too much focus on what is currently implemented. It will likely be years before current developments are developed, refined, and trained ready for integration, but that doesn't mean that research and development in the field isn't happening.

[@curiousfan8086]

Watson's message to the world is right in that there's too much marketing hype and empty promises when it comes to autonomous driving. It's very very far off and not enough people realize that.

[@damionlee7658]

@@curiousfan8086 I think a better message would be that automotive manufacturers need to think carefully about how they describe their technologies to their customers. For example, there are a scary number of electric vehicle (both full EV, and hybrid systems) owners out there that think they will never need to replace their vehicle's brakes pads/discs; because their vehicle has "Regenerative Braking". The confusion isn't that they think regen is a viable replacement for mechanical brakes, but they believe that it means their brake pads and discs "Regenerate". But Matt's statements included that manufacturers are lying, and that there will *never* be self driving vehicles. Manufacturers have been working on autonomous driving since the 1920s... The funding isn't going to suddenly dry up given the difference in technology available. Whilst manufacturers should be careful about how they describe the current level of automation to their customers, that is a very different discussion to claiming it will never happen. Let's not forget, people have been making the "I can leave the car to drive itself" mistake since the early days of "Cruise Control", so drivers erroneously leaving their car to is own devices isn't a new problem caused by the current wave of driving assists.

[@MehmetcanKarahan]

Generally love the videos, keep up the good work. That being said this video will *not* age well. I've been lucky enough to have Tesla's FSD for the past 2 or so months. At first I had some doubts as to if/when they can fix some major issues, but just from v10.4 to v10.8 the changes are spectacular. Right now I can drive about 95% without having to take over autopilot. The other 5% are beginning and ending locations, as well as tons of corner cases that will take some time to work out. But, the progress I'm seeing is astounding, I really mean that objectively, shocked at every drive. I'm speaking for the U.S. region, so rest of the world is probably a long ways off, but this is real, it's happening here.

[@daniel635biturbo]

Have you tried it in 5 cm of snow, with white road salt covering the whole front of the car ? In some parts of the world, that's a ordinary drive to work.

[@MehmetcanKarahan]

@@daniel635biturbo unfortunately I don't get any snow where I'm at, but similar to how the rest of the world hasn't been programmed into FSD yet, recognizing and driving to snow and ice is a matter of software learning (training). I've seen machine learning drive cars on race tracks and even do awesome drifts, so it's a matter of training the software.

[@daniel635biturbo]

@@MehmetcanKarahan My thoughts are more towards the difficulty with sensors and snow, rather than the actual driving.

[@MehmetcanKarahan]

@@daniel635biturbo Great point, I do also worry about that. Same with direct sun onto cameras, as well as lack of mics for sirens (which are coming in newer Teslas). My guess is that my 2018 Tesla will handle most conditions, but it will have limitations vs. newer Teslas with better cameras and/or computers and mics.

[@gehirnakrobat883]

The problem is that the threshold for having a self driving car is that it has to be right more than 99,9999% of its drives to only make an accident in every 1 millionth drive. Unfortunately I don't think that will happen any time soon. Maybe in 50 years..

[@fridonisaralidze8559]

I don't understand why these manufacturers think that there is a demand of self driving car in the market, first of all it doesn't seem safer than regular cars and also it increases prices

[@phiiz3r]

Good points! To make it work vehicles would need to be on a more controlled network than a typical road preferably overseen by a central control center. Something like the Heathrow-Carpark Autonomous pod system.

[@guildrich]

That's *_exactly_* what I was thinking!

[@d33pNacho]

Waymo and certain chineses startups make FSD cars (but the FSD abilities are limited to certain regions). FSD will arrive to other brands in a short period of time.

[@IAmNotABot]

Yeah Waymo have full self drive in Vegas

[@sebastientumahai9560]

False, when quantum computers become available to consumers purchase, these self driving cars will be a serious self driving car on a mass production

[@donn.4766]

If quantum computing was a thing, self driving cars wouldn’t even be relevant as there will be much better ways to travel…

[@RenegadeRanga]

Some great thoughts put forward. The organic form is under appreciated. Machines are no good at improvising or dealing with the unknown. As Garry Kasperov stated in an interview. Computers are superior in a closed circuit but in an open circuit we will always win. They might get in there after 2035 but time will tell.

[@mauricioweber8879]

Really great job at reinventing new angles on your CarWow Wow!!

[@DizzBoos]

Having worked in control systems for 15 years and having a degree and masters in electronics and control systems I can honestly say, folks the tech just isn’t there yet. It will be in the future but it’s quite a way off.

[@gamingtv5788]

Bro whybwoukd anyone want fsd

[@admiralkrankandhismightyba158]

This is great! You could also have talked about the fact that AI developers exaggerate their accomplishments and don't tell you that they aren't anywhere close to being able to engage in human like functions. They also haven't told you that they don't know quite how the mind works. And again, aren't even close.

[@abbasimran6768]

ONE OF THE BEST VIDEO I HAVE EVER SEEN ON CARWOW YOU REALLY NAILED IT RIGHT GOD BLESS

[@remoteflying]

Humans’s days driving cars manually on public roads are limited. At first, self driving cars will be cheaper to insure, or car manufactures will include insurance as standard, for free - as they will be so safe as to rarely need to claim. Then, humans wanting to drive manually will be penalised with much higher insurance. And finally, humans will be banned from manual driving on the basis automatic driving is so much safer. “whats going to happen in the event of an accident.” 1) Accidents will almost never occur 2) The manufacturer will pay out from insurance they provide 3) The ntsb or equivalent regulatory body will investigate, as they do with airline incidents, to ensure that if the car in any way contributed to the accident, all cars are forced to be updated across all models and makes as to not happen again. ...Essentially a car accident will be handled like a piece of consumer electronics with a defect.

[@ismailnyeyusof3520]

Great points Matt and i have to agree that self driving cars does seem like a moving target always just managing to stay ahead. However, I see hope because powerful computers manage to master a complex game like Go which has an unimaginable number of possible outcomes. I think the solution is to increase the computing power to treat every second of self driving like a new game of Go which does seem doable.

[@Professor-Scientist]

this isn't a game, this is real life!

[@essentials1016]

Are you really comparing a game to real life?

[@ismailnyeyusof3520]

@@essentials1016 yes, real life is essentially a game, a very complicated game. Within real life are subset games. Driving, in particular, is a subset of real life game with rules, players with goals and specific outcomes.

[@oliverdonald3314]

I wouldn't trust a car to drive itself and I enjoy driving anyway

[@Morowinger]

I don’t trust any human behind a steer. Btw. atleast airplanes are mostly selfflying.

[@ascgazz7347]

You trust humans? REALLY?? 😂😂

[@interesting-facts100]

if all cars become self driving then every car will just speak to each other and read each other and therefore it would be impossible for accidents to happen

[@Sebe_r35]

Same

[@Sebe_r35]

@@interesting-facts100 IF

[@cherubin7th]

About the law. In Germany this is already done, because the laws are that general that if you get approval as maker of something without human input, the builder is responsible.