Why Social Justice is Dangerous - James Lindsay

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[@freddyferrillo9704]

It's sickening to wear my MAGA hat with a mask on! I'm not doing it no more. I did it! Long enough! Only the hat from now on! I'm gonna be the true hero. Because real hero's don't wear surgical masks in public. Heros dont sit in their homes day after day and stare at cnn! But that's what these Communist/progressive fools want......is to label sheep as the heros. The same way they label boys as girls & girls as boys! And riot gangs as peaceful protesters, and peaceful protesters as white supremacist! These people are whacked! I don't care what anybody says! They're whacked! And more people see it then the polls lead onto. Period! TRUMP2020GAURANTEED

[@freddyferrillo9704]

@Timothy Somerville : Who said he died of Covid 19? I gaurantee that's a lie if you heard that from liberal newspapers? And don't worry, you can just wear your mask. You'll be fine. You got the right to wear your mask. I'm not gonna stop you. But don't stop me cause I ain't wearing it. And i don't have Covid! Dont personally know anybody who does. And at first, I did wear a mask. For months. And months! I'm done! No more. They're never gonna end it so....I am. But you just don't see that it's not about the mask as much as it is about all the rules that comes with it. Like lockdown/quarantine and businesses going under. Unemployment and failed stocks. If you think that .05% death rate is worth all the hysteria than you might as well be dead. Because this is no way to have to live in a free and open society. Because there won't be a free and open society left if people let the government boss us around on personal levels. It's just not good. If you cant see that it's because you haven't reached the age of 40 yet? I'm 54. And you've probably have never had to support a family either. So......when you grow up then come back and talk. I'm waiting for the proof of the Presidents brothers death cause?

[@sutters7251]

Timothy Somerville no they’re not but even if they were thank God for some balance to the utter bullshit of the left! I’m having they’re ideology forced down my throat via MSM, Hollywood, politicians, commentators, academics and SJW’s. More police are murdered each year by criminals than people who die in custody. Let’s cut the bullshit, most deaths result from the reaction of the arrested. There are over 1 million police interactions each year and I’ll leave you and Skutch to work out the percentage that lead to death of the incarcerated. You’re both obviously more intelligent than me. I’m just a tax paying, parent who’s politics are to the right now I’ve seen the light. I’m part of the white supremacy tyrannical patriarchy obviously and as such my views should be ignored or silenced.

[@freddyferrillo9704]

@@sutters7251 Don't worry about Timothy. Or Skutch Blobaum either. They're just two wack-job Progressives that have been brainwashed beyond repair! In fact, they're arguing with each other on this very feed! Two lefties arguing on whose approach to the problem is more worthy? They're both so woke that they're asleep. And they will eventually destroy one-another! Regardless that they're on the same side. Because lefties don't want free speech for all; they want 1 speech for all! They also do Not want equality for all; but oppression for all. This (In their minds) would result in equality? Fools.

[@keithscott1957]

Defund the thought police.

[@erikvanranst3751]

there is too much Newspeak and it is disrupting our society

[@stewartmoore5158]

I'm fucking using this.

[@nihilistcentraluk442]

@skutch Blobaum they don't .The exceptional cases are dealt with through existing law

[@dantebbe]

It's entirely possible, and quite simple: institute a nationwide voucher system for schools. The thought police have a foothold in society because they have a stranglehold on education at all levels. If parents had freedom to enroll their kids in a wide range of schools, and if schools were only paid for the students they enroll (just like -- wait for it! -- private schools!), then the thought police wouldn't have anyone paying them. Any parents who want their kids learning to add and write clearly will take their kids out of taxpayer-funded schools, and parents who prefer that teachers coach their children to mutilate their genitalia and poison themselves with hormones can continue to send their kids to the government propaganda day cares. It won't take too many years before crappy SJW teachers find themselves with no students. And it all comes from making the money follow the students.

[@nihilistcentraluk442]

@@dantebbe it is a good idea but it doesn't go deep enough. You need to attack the roots of this in universities from which it spreads out across society.

[@dionbram]

Cults use your vocabulary, but they don't use your dictionary.

[@jimkennedy4509]

Very true!

[@pinballpsycho]

Excellent. In some cases they retain the emotions associated with the terms in that dictionary, while changing the definition of the term in order to redirect those emotions to a target defined by the cult.

[@Chi-x]

This is the best summation of what is going on and I cannot like your comment enough! Well said!

[@AbaddonTheDestroyer]

@J and M Its okay bro... don't get too excited. Like... cool that you have a degree in STEM and you believe you are smart or intellectual because of that, but nowadays... anybody can get into stem and finish it. Thus, the more education goes mainstream, the more mediocre it will get. Take yourself as example... your argument is "I have a degree, therefore I'm better". Nah, you are just deluded kid.

[@AbaddonTheDestroyer]

@J and M I agree. Who would want an "ahaha" re ta rd for a relative xD.

[@levonandreaskarayan9035]

James Lindsay is absolutely vital.

[@johnbr59]

14:50 "people can do whatever they want. if you want to have sex with a banana wielded by a clown, and that makes you happy, good for you. who am i to judge?" what an idiot

[@RevoltingPeasant123]

@@johnbr59 It's ok, mate. You don't have to use a banana, there are other options.

[@brittneyrichmond6724]

Someone says something intentional sounding silly or idiotic. “Wow that’s silly and idiotic!” Yeah.

[@johnbr59]

@@brittneyrichmond6724 i think this comment is more significant that people realize, and i'm surprised nobody seems to have picked up on it. why? because he came out with that deranged nonsense in the context of his belief in "leftism" / "liberalism". it's curious, like a Freudian slip, that somebody would feel the need to emphasize their acceptance of such blatantly ridiculous & degenerate behavior in that context. it's like the curtain is suddenly withdrawn and you are able to peer through the window into the mind of the left.

[@johnbr59]

@@WiredInside spot on. check out my response too. curious that he came out with that nonsense in the context of explaining his "lefty" credentials.

[@liamwinter4512]

"The media is a blatant circus of lies" ~ James lindsay 2020

[@dumpygoodness4086]

@skutch Blobaum in fact, the press was INVENTED solely as Lie Machine, and under current laws, we could jail every person working in the press, and seize all the moguls yachts and swiss bank accounts are RETURN THAT STOLEN LOOT to the american people, just using RICO! I worked in the NYC press for 25 years. They are a million times dirtier than any of you suspect. Not a shred of it is legal. EX: ALL SPORTS COVERAGE is ADVERTISING ($$) masquerading as EDITORIAL content. Pure criminal fraud. (Hell the owner of the Boston GLobe also owned the Red Sox?? SUPER-illegal conflict of interest!) THE MSM IS THE AIR VENT ON THE DEATH STAR. THE PRESS ARE THE PROBLEM....and everything else is a SYMPTOM of this ONE problem. STOP THE LYING BILLIONAIRE-OWNED PRESS from lying...(aka criminal FRAUD etc), and we instantly solve every other problem, from bad cops to BIg Pharma to potholes to rape to EVERY PROBLEM OUT THERE.

[@donjohnson5424]

We must protect this man. A genuinely brilliant thinker.

[@dereksbooks]

For CRT, he's the authority. However, I'm disappointed that for a man who is keenly aware of religiosity, he didn't propose the main reason why useful idiots (not the leaders who propagate CRT) are drawn to it. It's easy for leaders to recruit overly religious people who have no religion or deep spirituality. For these types of people, identity politics is their new religion.

[@DarkAngel2512]

He's really risking his sanity for us reading all those nonsense academic papers and translating them

[@DarkAngel2512]

​@@dereksbooksits funny how many of us atheists got drawn in. It just shows how pounding someone over the head in isolation with the same lies that it eventually infiltrates. My friend actually tried to tell me Paris Jackson is black. 10 years ago noone would have said that. Im from UK for reference where we dont use 1 drop rule.

[@ellejrrn8116]

@@dereksbooks​​, I have confidence that he is likely working through this aspect. Even if he may not have foreseen it, or 100% aware of it… I’m sure it is something that he will confront, work through… I hope we hear his take on it. And maybe he has spoken on it as of yet (as this video is a few years old, and my comment is in 2023)😉

[@eileenmcmullin3693]

As one of the old people, I can say that most of us are just amazed at the number of people who choose to embrace stupidity and have no problem exchanging their freedom for perceived (not even actual) safety. It’s very sad.

[@shughy1]

James is quite the rising star in this very one sided world, I hope his career really takes off, his content is fantastically informative and respective in figuring out the political world today

[@leddywood]

This guy is so well informed. Look how long it took him to even describe the problem, it's no wonder main stream media are unable to offer anything close to understanding this incredibly important issue. Thanks guys 🙌

[@taffwob]

Check out his appearance on the Joe Rogan podcast. Very informative & worrying.

[@carltonurwin3923]

Completely agree. We need this level of discussion

[@gwho]

mainstream media is pathologically intentionally unwilling to do that. just turn it off entirely. better to not pollute your brain.

[@ellejrrn8116]

@@taffwob, I just pulled up James’ appearances on JRE… 2018, 2020, 2022… it will be interesting. I do expect it to be consistent, as the truth is known to be… But, I’m entering with an open mind (to be a h encounter) as much as humanly possible 😉

[@mytube650]

I’ve said it elsewhere and I’ll say it again here: Robin D’Angelo is a play on the words “Robbing the Anglos”. She knows exactly what she is doing and will not get a cent from me.

[@youtubeuser4221]

Stealing this one....

[@MrCarlosBrazao]

I’d immediately love her if she came out as a mockery of wokeness, like a pseudo-intelectual titania mcgraft

[@mytube650]

Carlos Brazão she’s probably got fuck you money at this point.

[@carolmcln5028]

Great point, lol.

[@DarkAngel2512]

I like that. I call her Robin 'Be Less White' D'Angelo. Not as catchy ha

[@TheJoshuamooney]

Very, very impressed by Lindsay's explanation of "critical theory," which I dealt with in college and which convinced me not to go into post-grad academia in the '80s. What he's accomplishing here is tantamount to summing up "Finnegans Wake" in three sentences--and I appreciate that!

[@Chrillofthehill]

James is my newest hero. His work is imortant beyond belief. Thanks guys.

[@catsandcrows8880]

This was an excellent conversation! Thank you all, greetings from Norway.

[@johnkrstyen7351]

Have listened to James pretty heavily since 2020. Went through entire catalog of his New Discourses channel and all of his appearances on Sovereign Nations. If you enjoy this video I highly recomend those. Really insightful to take a look back to this older interview I missed and need to going though old Triggernometry videos as I only came across them early 2022 here and love them.

[@Mystik3Al]

Woke politics appeals to Narcissists as it offers them an easy route to project virtue into the social world without the requirement to actually act virtuously!

[@biscuitsalive]

Manic Miner!

[@nihilistcentraluk442]

Sounds like the road to hell. A cult of puritanism and insanity which disregards the law and economy and any religion. We are getting to the point where the only objection to the Holocaust was racism.If there had been other reasons for these mass killings then it would be far less serious.

[@nihilistcentraluk442]

@@TyStudhead is wokery a satanic cult ? It seems to end up in a modern version of the GDR complete with a woke stasi.I cannot imagine anybody being happy living inside it.

[@kasvinimuniandy4178]

Well said. Good point. I realised how.. "virtuous" I felt while following the timeline and sharing things.. it was just useless hot air. I wasn't learning, nor was I creating learning opportunities for others. I had zero improvements in my real life. Now I feel more at peace listening to contradicting ideas. I don't fear asking questions or feel the stress of pleasing everyone.

[@nihilistcentraluk442]

@@TyStudhead obviously I am being half serious but it does seem to appeal to the most unbalanced individuals looking to fill the dark cavity of their souls. It seems a lot worse in some ways than orthodox hard left thinking as it dwells on narcissism and victimhood.

[@frankiethebookworm3163]

anyone remember George Carlin talking about euphemism and soft language? At one point he said "If crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight?" So, let's ask ourself, what do sjw fight?

[@dumpygoodness4086]

again, it depends: are you talking about CONSERVATIVE SJWs (the ones who hate free speech etc), or LIBERAL SJWs (the ones who LOVE free speech and racist jokes and sexist jokes)? Because the nazi ones you all discuss are CONSERVATIVES, not libs.

[@dumpygoodness4086]

"There are only TWO types of human beings: FAKE liberals and FAKE conservatives" "HYPOCRISY is the only religion on earth"

[@ginaritchie451]

the answer is injustice. contemptor.com/2019/09/28/watch-george-carlin-in-1990-rails-against-comics-who-punch-down-at-marginalized-groups/ george carlin never said comedy should punch down but you people always use carlin to punch down. you dont know your subject and you dont know george carlin. you just hear what you want to hear.

[@DieFlabbergast]

Well, that would be fine if "social justice warrior" were the official term, but it isn't. They don't call themselves that, unfortunately.

[@glenncalzada1707]

@@dumpygoodness4086 ignorant comment.

[@melhawk1352]

Every time I listen to James Lindsay do an interview he completely blows my mind.

[@GeraldSmallbear]

James Lindsay is my spirit animal.

[@jimsteffel]

Konstantin, your closing remarks brought tears to my eyes. Thanks for the humanity, that's what we all need. Great work guys, and thanks James! You're a true hero!

[@user-ju6zx3rm8d]

I'm glad James Lindsay's voice and star is rising. We need more like him in this world. He's also great on Joe Rogan Experience podcast.

[@rageagainstmyhatchet]

If we survive the next five years, James and crew deserves the Nobel prize for literature... Just being able to absorb all this and communicate it via public platforms is an immense achievement...

[@AndyJarman]

So so good to have people like James, Mike Nayna and Helen Pluckrose to lay this all out in layman's language. I need a flaming flow chart to lay this all out in!

[@a1b1c184]

I really like Pluckrose as well. Those papers that Lindsay and his partners wrote were epic trolls!

[@Teal_Seal]

Flow chart - I’m actually here looking for that in the comments. I want to be able to explain succinctly how CT is used to attack capitalism. I know it’s a Trojan but some people need convincing and aren’t open to a long explanation.

[@markepps3511]

Just read "Cynical Theories". Just finished it, and I realise I need to read the damn thing again to recap.

[@memoryhero]

James Lindsay is the unmistakable receipt-carrying real deal.

[@gwho]

being able to take in information and spit out cogent summaries as well as new theses based on analyzing the said info cross referenced

[@OdditiesandRarities]

I love how coherent this guy is his clarity of thought is very engaging

[@MissNatalonga]

I just loved his second answer to "what no one's talking about that they should be". Exactly, life is more than this, it's so crazy that there's so much death around us and we can't seem to focus on living. Fantastic interview guys. Love from the Dominican Republic.

[@Individual_Lives_Matter]

They are fundamentalists. To attack their mythology is to ‘erase’ who they are. That’s why they react so vehemently to criticism. They are like the old fundamentalist born agains.

[@nihilistcentraluk442]

Seem like straightforward neo Marxists to me.

[@joemwas5442]

I agree

[@margueritezoe]

I grew up within several strains of Christian fundamentalism, especially Evangelicalism, until I solidified as an agnostic in my early 20s and pretty much stepped away from that world. The funny thing is, looking back after a decade, I had more intellectual freedom, experienced more ideological diversity and rational debate (with pastors and congregants alike, even on the hot-button issue of Creationism), and enjoyed far deeper friendships than do I within my completely secular circle today -- where walking on eggshells and self-censoring has become a literal way of life, and just to preserve largely superficial and mechanical relationships. Now, in my super-blue suburb, I almost don't remember what it's like to be among people who can be themselves and strongly, even heatedly, disagree with each other, but still genuinely respect and value each other overall. The older I get, and the more I mature in my agnosticism, the more I think Jordan Peterson is right. Religious mythology really does serve some vital purposes for the human psyche and society as a whole -- and until we discover something inarguably better to replace it with, we might want to be careful about tearing it all away.

[@dumpygoodness4086]

EXACTLY. CONSERVATIVES. We LIBERALS SJWs despise the right wing ones you all complain about. WE LIB SJWs love racist or sexist jokes and don't blame ALL whites or ALL males. Conservatives have no sense of humor and they hate freedom.

[@CathyKitson]

I agree, they are fundamentalists. They should get a life and go fuck a banana.

[@cicadasmasher8082]

There is no such thing as "social justice". It's word salad, a misnomer at best. There is only justice and injustice.

[@cowabungadude7408]

Social justice is a genuine worldview that is sincerely held by millions of people, many of them in positions of immense power. It is most definitely a real thing. And if you accept its wicked axioms, then it has its own notions of justice and injustice. I wish this weren't the case, but this is where we are.

[@MetePurphy]

Comic justice

[@chriscross7494]

@@cowabungadude7408 He's not talking about the ideology and worldview of those dolts. He is speaking of their idea which is where the word originates.

[@jamesmiller-gf1dp]

Cosmic justice!

[@sirellyn4391]

There's definitely such thing as socialist justice. It's just that no sane person wants any of it.

[@Bozpot]

It's so great to be reminded that there are still other moderate, rational liberals out there. Thanks KK and FF for another brilliant interview.

[@dumpygoodness4086]

BLM and the rest are not IRRATIONAL liberals. They are CONSERVATIVES, lying to themselves that they like liberty (LIBERalism). (No liberal would EVER curb free speech. EX: a Colbert like all libs AMPLIFIES an opponent's comments rather than censor them. So the comics will SHOW A CLIP OF TRUMP saying dumb shit. See?)

[@Captain_MonsterFart]

Ordinary people in my life have no idea about the extreme side of this ideology. It's impossible to criticize it when talking about it because I have to explain too much.

[@carltonurwin3923]

A brilliant and interesting deep dive into the background of the current madness. Thanks for letting him speak at length as we need to hear this level of explanation. James is brilliant.

[@whitexchina]

I speak up everytime identity politics crosses my life. My sister in- law is a pretty sexist feminist & I call her out all the time. She acts all strong & independent, but has my rich brother pay for everything & more.

[@sabelotoda2]

My sister in law is also a hard core feminst she is full intersecctional too the point where she told me that science is ideological logic is ideological and that 2+2 is not always equal to 4 imagine my surprise when 2 years later i see james fighting on twiter with intersecional lunatics saign too him way 2+2=5. This shit is very real and it is very dangerous and must people dont undestand how dangerous it is not even the people who fallow this bullshit like my sister in law understand i share to her a video of helen pluckrose talking About how interseccionalaty is post moder and intelectualy and moraly wrong hopefully i can get them (her and my brother )out of this woke garbage with time.

[@14docmurph]

In the history of the human race, no one has experienced as much privilege as middle and upper class American white women....ironically, the group that bitches and complains about privilege and oppression the most.

[@palasta]

​@@sabelotoda2 The Nazis also tried to debase established science, making their own and anything contrary to their believes was "Jewish science". Extremism tends to produce nutjobs and gives them a platform.

[@floydiandreamscapes5145]

A " strong, independent woman " with a man propping her up!?? Go figure!

[@terriseverson3873]

I'm old, but I remind people of my generation that those women,(Mary Tyler Moore, Marlo Thomas), portraying these independent feminist ideals back in the day went home to their husband's at night. Hell, Jane Fonda, radical feminist grew up as Hollywood royalty and lived a pretty good life with Ted Turner. Humans, we are just so full of it sometimes.

[@marciefinney6066]

Excellent. Ends on a hopeful note. I’ve watched sp much James Lindsay, so much Triggernometry, etc I’m going back now and watching what I missed. This is one of the most succinct descriptions of the situation and then ways to push back that I’ve listened to. Thank you. Thank you. I once was Woke and now I am Awake. Grateful for this work these guys are doing.

[@Jonnie-Falafel]

The last couple of minutes about authentic relationships cuts straight to the core.

[@peacemaker6662]

I have fantastic admiration for James. To dig so deep into their ideology so you can totally understand it, requires not only hero levels of persistence but also strength of character and intellect to see through it and not let it affect you. Societies become less racist organically, it cannot be achieved by Fiat, only conflict occurs in that way.

[@rodionglazkov1136]

At around 45:00 what James is talking about has been dubbed “Saint George in retirement syndrome”. Douglas Murray went into it in depth in The Madness if Crowds.

[@harmonyhoney]

Brilliant. James seems such a genuinely lovely guy. Thanks you three. 😊👍🏻

[@simonheaney8721]

Lovely no , important yes

[@harmonyhoney]

Simon Heaney why not lovely? Can’t he be both?

[@linh.8807]

Here's a model Statement of Dissent for anyone who does not want to participate in one of these corporate struggle sessions. Open access: DISSENTING STATEMENT ON DIVERSITY, EQUITY & INCLUSION I offer this Statement of Dissent because I have been asked to participate in or express some level of support for the doctrine commonly known as “Diversity, Equity and Inclusion.” I strongly object to the political paradigms that under-gird the idea of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion for the following reasons: 1. Diversity, Equity and Inclusion is the ideological offspring of Critical Race Theory; 2. Critical Race Theory is a collectivist ideology based in Marxism that uses various “victimhood” and “oppressor” identities as a vehicle for achieving power and the attainment of certain collectivist goals; 3. Racial equality is not the primary goal of “Diversity, Equity and Inclusion;” Rather, its primary goals involve the radical restructuring of all levels of society around new hierarchies in which the state is all powerful and exists to redistribute goods, money, housing, jobs, education, access, personal outcomes, even justice itself, based on ever-shifting “victimhood identities,” rather than individual effort, agency or merit; 4. American First Principles like freedom of speech, freedom of religion, equality before the law and property rights, as well as the core principle that such rights pre-exist the state, are incompatible with the doctrines of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion; 5. I believe that ultimate moral worth rests in the individual, and the proper role of government lies in protecting and securing the rights of Individuals. Because Diversity, Equity and Inclusion subordinates the rights of individuals to its larger collectivist goals and reduces individuals to their group identity, it is inherently oppressive and totalitarian; 6. The oppressive, totalitarian aspects of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion are amply displayed in its hostility to freedom of speech, religion and the nuclear family; its fixation on intellectual conformity, its subordination of rational inquiry to ideology, its lack of humor, its lack of forgiveness and its vindictiveness toward those who depart from its orthodoxies. For these reasons, I firmly reject the concept of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion and I will not participate in, nor adopt any of its practices, assumptions or goals. Sincerely, ____________________________

[@TWRehab]

In many western companies today thats essentially a resignation letter.

[@linh.8807]

@@tonyanzalone384 Yes - and thanks.

[@linh.8807]

@@TWRehabTrue - but we need to stop hiding. My name is Lisa Hauge.

[@linh.8807]

@Kali Southpaw My boss is not that crazy (yet), so I haven't had occasion to use it. I have posted it several places in association with my real name. No blow-back so far.

[@joemwas5442]

All this is true. I agree with you completely

[@NeilStansbury]

Wow - one of your best interviews guys. A seriously cerebral episode!

[@anneoconnor5907]

An incredibly in-depth and brilliant chat. Thank you all so much.

[@Steve83B]

I like James. He honestly seems like an awesome guy whenever I hear him speak. I vehemently disagree with him on his Economics, but it’s great to hear such rational thinking from someone who holds different opinions on things.

[@Xplora213]

Bernd P it’s worthwhile bearing in mind that the most aggressive and regressive politics of the last 250 years has been European. Entirely. The Americans established freedom and the pursuit of independent rights were the best way at the end of the 1800s (patents and copyrights) right when Marx’s train was gaining steam. This led to communism and Russia and China and the fascist collectivism of Italy and Germany. America was about one, Europe was about many. This would’ve been ok except the ruling class of Europe has sold out their working class with huge “refugee” intakes so the groups aren’t being drawn in ways that are socially cohesive... so the negative collectivism is being reinforced by bad leadership. The individual is ignored and the collective of EU citizens is suffering... welcome to Russia, Germany, France, at various points in 250 years of history. We looked at the American project and the European project. The EU is being run by self appointed kings all over again and they are less equipped and invested than kings who had their head on a spike if they didn’t protect their kingdom. They just resign and sit on boards of directors. We don’t need perfection in politics. We need skin in the game and treating yourself as truly sovereign is a great starting point.

[@Steve83B]

Bernd P well, I appreciate the spirit of your post but. No, Norwegian model isn’t perfect. Neither is the Swedish or Danish when you factor in cost of living. Also, our Danish, Norwegian and Swedish Americans out earn just about every other group by 20-30%. If we had a nation of them, we wouldn’t have some economic problems. Regardless, I do agree with a good portion of what you said. Our enemies are here, and not abroad. Though, I didn’t say anything to make you think otherwise

[@dumpygoodness4086]

@@Xplora213 "THE AMERICANS ESTABLISHED FREEDOM...BY HAVING THE MOST SLAVES ON EARTH". GOOD ONE, Goebbels!

[@dumpygoodness4086]

@@Xplora213 AMERICA IS A MONARCHY: BIG BIZ and BIG GOVT are our King and Queen.

[@stewartmoore5158]

A very, very, very reasonable voice on unreasonable things.

[@youraccount7003]

Absolutely brilliant interview. James has got to be a leading authority on this stuff along with Jordan Peterson. He explains the issues so well and unlike most who anylise what is happening, he offers good common sense solutions. Thanks you guys.

[@duanenash9474]

Looks like he might have to take over from Jordan Peterson.

[@The_Greedy_Orphan]

They're dangerous because they're hypocrites who contradict themselves at every turn. They talk about openess and being able to share your pain, but when someone like Liam Nelson talked about his anger after his friend got raped and the rage he felt so that other people could learn from his mistakes, social justice warriors wanted to shut him down and cancel him, the lesson there being that you should never publicly open up about your past mistakes and you should keep everything to yourself. The radical left also talk about justice, how the system has failed and that there are too many people jailed in the U.S. and that there should be justice reform. Yet when the police are filmed killing someone, there is no dialogue, no discussion about what led up to it and no investigation first before judgement, there's only pure anger and rioting and burning shit to the ground because they don't want to wait for the facts first, they only want to declare and instant verdict of guilty. I do believe there are problems with the justice system, and I'd personally look into rolling back qualified immunity for police officers, however, each case is different, and not every killing is unlawful.

[@joemwas5442]

That's very true and obvious

[@dumpygoodness4086]

DEAR LIAR, in EVERY case of a Police Killing, WE BEG THE KOP TO TELL US HIS SIDE OF THE STORY. IN EVERY case...the KOP PLEADS THE 5th. (EX: in NYC, Killer Kops are "given" 48 hours to get their stories straight with lawyers, BEFORE the NYPD investigators are allowed to grill them!!!!!) EVER NOTICE WE LIBS BUST YOU CONS LYING IN 100% OF INSTANCES? Prove me wrong, coward nazi. (Only COWARDS become cops. BRAVE people become FIREMEN, you coward cop-sucker cop-agandist.)

[@dumpygoodness4086]

IN EVER CASE WE BEG TO SEE THE BODY CAM OR DASH CAM FOOTAGE TO SEE THE COPS STORY...and in every case...the Kops DON'T WANT TO RELEASE IT. KOPS RESISTED DASH CAMS, BODY CAMS, etc, which is a legal admission they wanted to OBSTRUCT JUSTICE and felt the videos would always catch THEM as the criminals. (and that's what happened!)

[@DarkAngel2512]

​@@dumpygoodness4086thats not true

[@KennethDavis]

This was amazing. You guys are always right on the spot with difficult to discuss topics! Good on ya! 🕺🌞🎶

[@MaximeBoisset]

"Never trust the French!" -- I am triggered!

[@juvenalsdad4175]

Thanks, as always, to Dr. Lindsay for being a guiding light in the current madness. Amazon have cancelled my pre-order of 'Cynical Theories', so I hope that's an availability issue rather than cancel culture!

[@K-j2024]

🇨🇦 James ate his Crunchy Nut Cornflakes obviously. Outstanding. The mythology bit is new to me. Sharpening my argument dudes. Thank you.

[@maxinehayes7721]

or if in UK, Three Shredded Wheat… James really explained it to me!

[@markepps3511]

Possibly the most profound interview Trig has ever done.

[@michaelpeter7776]

Wow, James is mind-blowing. I love his description of 'wokeness', that being a sophisticated combination of egalitarianism, oppression and language abuse

[@chrisjackson9626]

James must have a good nights sleep and a strong cup of coffee, because he was on fire during this conversation. Great work by the lads, some excellent focused questions, while allowing James the space to explain in great deal.

[@sarahtoukan5109]

I think it was Roger Scruton who said the word justice does not need a modifier

[@Apriluser]

“If you center your life in a "noble cause" (global warming, etc), you will divide the world into "good" and "bad" and demonize your opponents. Without them, you have no purpose.” Timothy Keller, The Reason for God

[@joemwas5442]

Very true and obvious

[@TheGoodDogTraining]

Thanks for the great show guys. You’re much appreciated, as is James. 🙏

[@bwake]

Norway has the government it has because North Sea oil revenue pays for it.

[@warbler1984]

What about Denmark, Finland and Sweden?

[@ajobdunwell2585]

@@warbler1984 Sweden oil steel gold and copper. Denmark oil and pork. Finland oil steel nickel and plywood.

[@Orson2u]

@Margaret McLaughlin - but the US didn’t have en enormous deep pool like Oman, a Persian Gulf State has. An oil deposit that’s far, far bigger than their country needs. That’s Norway. Or rather we didn’t have anything like that until the 20 to 60 years of inventing shale fracturing to remind old and easier oiled deposits. And we could not invented this as we have without private mineral rights, which no other nation has. As for the homeless problem, the man hating Left likes it that way because they hate men. (Homeless are 98% male. So, FUCK the Left.)

[@MrMarmalizer]

Colm M Sweden also has extremely high taxes on goods, which hits the poorest hardest.

[@jaakkohintsala2597]

@@ajobdunwell2585 compared to other countries, finland is one of the least wealthy ones in terms of natural resources, stop your bs

[@hariseldon3786]

Another serious problem with the humanities is that it is simply, and has not been for many years, possibly decades, not been getting the "best and brightest". There are whole departments made up of what have been termed "Mid-Wits". All this 'middle-brow' and incremental research rather than insight. Incidentally, younger people tend to believe this shit because 'its easier, it's gratifying' - the "KZbin diet of academia". If you want to know more about this pop over to the "Jolly Heretic".

[@Xplora213]

There has been (ironically) a lot of structural opposition to deny experienced workers access to many jobs without a degree. I want my brain surgeon to have his master’s but you don’t need a degree for the majority of jobs - it used to be a proxy for an iq test but given how easy it is to get a degree, it’s just delaying your entrance to the work force - a privilege of the wealthy. Ironically enough??

[@hariseldon3786]

@@Xplora213 Kinda what I meant - in fact there are tons of people who have experience and that is often far more valuable than an academic qualification e.g. most trades and the mechanic who fixes your car (though they are trying to institutionalise that more and more to wring more dollars out of apprentices). However, what I was referring directly to is that students and graduates of say, Education, are on average 20 IQ points lower than graduates of the STEM subjects. This disparity extends across the genders i.e. smarter girls usually take STEM (I include medicine in STEM) than take humanities. As well, research has been undertaken on the "quality" of the research papers and, as James Lindsay points out, it is found VERY wanting... not hard to guess why when the people writing and reviewing the papers are 'less accomplished' lol

[@nihilistcentraluk442]

@@berndp5335 totally agree. Marxist memes replicating in higher education destroying liberalism and growing malignantly.

[@Boylieboyle]

Just gets better and better - thank you chaps

[@discohospital]

I think this is the best interview I have seen of James. He really is carving his way though the BS and refining his ideas week by week!

[@kenricnarbrough8191]

Flip and Heck, im going to be at work when this goes live. Brilliant fellow, well done all.

[@billybig-time2298]

I talked about WOKE at my local pub last night - no-one knew what it was!

[@johnneville403]

I agree in some cases, but people I chat to do know that much of the media has adopted ideas that routinely brand most of the public in the UK as racist and privileged based on their skin colour. If they're not angry, or conversant with the jargon, they're simply baffled by this bigotry shoved down their throats.

[@michaelweber5702]

James , you are great sir , in what you are doing as it is such important work . Thank You Dr. Lindsay

[@tdognschooch]

Alternatives, build the thing!.......James said it best!

[@Stitchlii]

I love when smart Liberals like James and Brett along with other Liberals who are the ones on the front line also and are trying to stop those far left of their party from taking over. They are just trying to save their party. To call them right wing is purely stupid. Psst come to the Right though we will accept you with open arms.

[@Nimuel]

I truly hope he'll dive deep into economics, it's how i eventually understood why suckling at the teet of society is not a solution for longevity. It taxes society to the point of self destruction 😉

[@sabelotoda2]

@@Nimuel so what would you say about the nordic contris? The tax wayyy more than the usa and they are wayyy better of. Right wingers always ignor the high paing tax the nordic contrys have and the high wages in norway they dont have a minimom wagr but they have worker unions too the point that the minimo wage in norway is basacly 17 dolars an hour wich then they can afor to ve tax 30% iven at the minim wage and get a buch of safty nets. So i shust dont get who right wingers want less than 15 dolar minimo wage and less tax for evrey one.

[@Nimuel]

@@sabelotoda2 , Norway has oil and have mismanaged their finances for years, although not as badly as Sweden, who built up it's value generating industries in the late 18- early 1900 when they were as close to being free from economic interventionism such as regulation and subsidies as anyone has ever been this side of the last 200 years, and of course with the massive exports of raw materials following WW2, they have since been hollowing out their economy and are currently dropping like a stone, from once being at the very top of the list of prosperous nations complaining that a 2% tax was a heinous overreach, to a hardboiled frog not even bothering to fight anymore while 50-75% of their generated value are being pissed away by the modern aristocracy, aka larping politicians completely severed from any semblance of sanity, sense or reality, -to fighting for the second to last place among the poorest of the European nations, whilst making all the efforts to keep appearances up. Finland has thus far been getting by quite well by not playing politics too much, but for the last two decades they've for some idiotic reason let their youth be inspired by their neighbours folly, resulting in more and more stupidity, i predict they'll go to hell as well if they don't drop this lunacy soon enough. Denmark has also managed to thread steadily by having a healthy dose of opposition towards the would be lunatics that want to ru(i)n other peoples lives. Iceland's would be government simply lacks the inertia to be able to completely ruin the economy their citizens have built, but given the way things have been going, just give them time and I'm sure they'll manage. In short, I'm quite familiar with the state of affairs in the Scandinavian countries. I'll give them one thing though, the liberal, freedom minded ideas are so deeply rooted in their culture and sense of justice that one simply has to believe there is hope.

[@Captain_MonsterFart]

Stop the childish team sports! The right is loaded with morons too.

[@dumpygoodness4086]

you got it backwards: we libs want to stop the CONSERVATIVES who are posing as LIBERALS and SJWs, to undermine the movement. If you block "hate speech" or ANY speech, you are LITERALLY a conservative. LIBERal means LIBERty. If you don't like RACIST jokes, you are a CONSERVATIVE, not a liberal.

[@musicalfringe]

Not since Jordan Peterson have I seen someone who can just reel off a cogent monologue on a complex topic for ten minutes straight like this. Damn.

[@elizabethdennis4918]

Agree!!!!!!👍🏽

[@jmnr1993]

Same with gender politics. You can't even question the tiniest thing anymore without being called a literal transphobe. Like, what?

[@SeaHoundM]

Glad James has sorted this CRT thing out and not only that he can explain it better than anyone.

[@rockonallnight]

“When legend becomes fact, print the legend.”(from The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance). This particular line of dialogue sort of eludes to what James Lindsay is explaining as it relates to certain aspects of this general ideology.

[@An_Imperial_Guard.]

Feelings over logic. There.

[@emperortomoto]

Probably the most complete rational and nuanced view on the topic!

[@angelinebee]

What a brilliantly useful discussion! 👏🏾 great work!

[@MW-sw7so]

That's what I've been saying, the best way to get rid of racism is to not talk about it. Think about this: the best time you've ever had with people of multiple races and you went home that day and you're like that was fun, we had fun today and then you realize.... race wasn't mentioned once. Because you were just thinking of them as friends.

[@horsesense6173]

Since the 1950s, Christianity (values, traditions + institutions) has been dismantled and, as nature abhors a vacuum, Social Justice Marxist has filled the void. Christians have lost innumerable battles, but God will win the war. But, in the meantime, the destruction will be truly on a Biblical scale.

[@horsesense6173]

@chris andrewes - How so?

[@unicorntelecoms4387]

@chris andrewes Epstein, Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton are Satan's gang.

[@adamburke1088]

Jamea lindsay is the best!! He has this topic locked down. Him and helen pluckrose has the best understanding of whats going on in western society today.

[@PibrochPonder]

100% agree, those two are spot on and need to be interviewed much more. Helen is really good and it would be good to have her explain things in a UK context more than she does,

[@Quaker-sn5fr]

James Linsay ...that is the most profound insight into the problem that I've heard so far and it gladdens me that you can unravel all the crap that these woke idiots are spouting. Thanks for suggesting the tools by which we can defend ourselves.

[@jpk50]

This guy is winning me over.

[@ultrademigod]

"Never trust the French." Francis Foster 2020. Wish words to live by.

[@margueritezoe]

... or the Germans, or the Russians. The "intellectual contributions" of all three, interacting and merging with each other, are at the core of Wokeness. Given where this ideology is clearly headed, I don't see it as an improvement to their former iterations -- which resulted in concentration camps, gulags, and The Terror.

[@simonF84]

👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 gotta appreciate James Lindsay putting the work in. Great interview. Spot on.

[@saltburner2]

James Lindsay is far brighter than the majority of American academics, but no University would hire him. Go figure.

[@philipchambers4165]

So Morgan Freeman was right?

[@TheOrdener]

The role of Altruism should be front and center in this discussion. The morality of sacrifice in the name of remedying oppression makes all this wokeness go.

[@amandarenske]

100%

[@cbcarlse]

I've got your bannna right here- biggest laugh of the night. Thank what ever source of goodness you would like to attribute for this man.

[@harrytd]

Brilliant. Thanks guys. 👍

[@jonasktew6857]

I love how James talks about gay pride and people not showing up with giant hoses in the same breath

[@timeweston]

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story

[@johnowen271]

When it comes to "left-leaning under 35," the mantra 2020 should be "don't trust anyone UNDER 30" as opposed to 1968's "don't trust anyone over 30."

[@terriseverson3873]

The only problem with that very astute observation is, we are responsible for the fact that they have taken on the mythology. We, the grown ups in this equation created, nurtured or simply weren't paying attention to how the choices we made in not pushing back against, for one radical feminism were going to impact our kids. Now, what are we going to do to step up and rebuild the foundations we let rot away, so youth have solid ground to stand on? I don't have an answer. I wish I could give them all one giant time out, everyone go to your room while we dismantle feminist theory social traps that helped get us here?

[@CathyKitson]

"It just proves my number one rule of life which is you should never trust the French." How delightfully politically incorrect.

[@whyzen2081]

Francis doesn't get many compliments. His hair is on point. I'm jealous.

[@garethevans3600]

Great conversation

[@annthomas984]

Fabulous analysis thank you

[@JesusIsKingAndSavior]

I didn't know the drummer from the Black Keys was running PC culture interviews

[@Ammoniumbicarbonat]

Shit that’s my favourite band

[@doctorisout]

James should run for president with a Minarchist VP.

[@sirellyn4391]

He'd be a better libertarian than Jorgansen.

[@Likemypie99]

This would dilute his message to normies imo kind of like what happened to sargon(?)

[@sirellyn4391]

@@Likemypie99 I don't think Sargon's run did him any harm. In fact I think it helped him a lot overall.

[@NilsSF]

He said that he is in favor of something like the Norwegian welfare state. Miles to the left of anything that's ever existed in the US. And you can have that without going insane culturally, it's worked in Scandinavia for decades. I hope it will continue to do so despite the hyper-polarization of our time.

[@Kurtlane]

He is definitely not a Minarchist. Norwegian welfare state is very far from minarchy.

[@robertsands8137]

Jordan Peterson and then some, without affect. Powerful and clear. So thankful for this analysis.

[@constitutionaltruth]

Thanks for hosting James. I've been following him on Twitter since seeing him on Joe Rogan. He really breaks down the Woke crowd very well. We truly enjoy watching you as well. I honestly forget how we found your podcast, but it's great. Thanks for doing what you do.

[@id.unknown1283]

Everyone should watch the full body cam footage for the George Floyd incident, adds new context.

[@dumpygoodness4086]

people STILL don't get it: that was THE LITERAL REASON COPS WERE INVENTED: to keep the Indentured Servants from rising up. ALL cops are "Nazi Cops". That cops are STILL murdering unarmed brown people EVERY DAY (the MSM is hiding most of it now)....while under a microscope ENDS ALL DEBATE. We must round up every one of these murderous nazis.

[@trentjohnson7246]

@@dumpygoodness4086 Yu have lost your dam mind. Yu have not heard one thing Linsey has said.

[@dumpygoodness4086]

@@trentjohnson7246 THEN DISPROVE ANYTHING I WROTE, ya coward. A person ONLY deflects when they think they are WRONG.

[@atheistcory4174]

1984 writ large!

[@jonathansanders3577]

Thank you for having this conversation!

[@DavidFoxfire]

There is something far worse than evil. It is the Evil that masquerades in the veil of Righteousness. The vilest and most retched acts were made in the name of Good. The Third Commandment is not about cursing, it's about something far, far worse. That is what we're facing right now, and it's terrifying.

[@whitexchina]

Has no one seen the new Floyd footage???

[@user-sc5xu6hc1n]

It's way beyond George Floyd now.

[@whitexchina]

@@user-sc5xu6hc1n Yeah, but still. It didn't look like a racially motivated incident, nor did he comply with everything. The media's narrative was completely wrong 💯 Same with Michael Brown & "Hands up don't shoot" They are still using this chant. It has to be called out, over & over again.

[@trentjohnson7246]

@@whitexchina Floyd had enough drugs in his system to stop his breathing. He was just used as an excuse to burn the country down.

[@DaveWard-xc7vd]

Social justice = deporting all the socialists.

[@stephenwilkes1385]

After 45 minutes, my brain is overheating. Will continue this awesome description after a restorative pasta meal with glass of wine and and an evening of mindless pleasure.

[@nickyredfern5481]

James Lindsay's intellect is on another level.