Why Some North Korean Defectors Want to Go Back

Nearly 34,000 North Koreans have defected to South Korea since figures were first collected in 1998. While the number of new arrivals dropped to a trickle in recent years due to strict Covid controls in North Korea and China, they are almost certain to start rising again now that border constraints are easing.
For many, the journey is arduous. Since the border between the two Koreas is one of the most militarized in the world, almost all defectors first flee to China until they can gather enough money to reach a third country, such as Thailand. Then they can apply for asylum in South Korea, which grants them citizenship after a security screening.
Their resettlement should in theory be easier because they’re moving to a country with a common language, culture and traditions. But North Korea’s decades of isolation and lack of uncensored information has caused a wide rift with South Korea.
Once North Koreans arrive, South Korea offers an initial settlement funding of 9 million won ($6,900), vocational training and subsidies for employers for hiring defectors. Many live near each other in blocks of inexpensive apartments, oftentimes the so-called 25-square-meter “rental apartments” provided by the government.
When the support runs out, they must provide for themselves - often leading to grim outcomes.
The unemployment rate for defectors is about twice the national average. Many older defectors retain a northern Korean accent, making them stand out each time they speak. Others bear scars such as psychological trauma or physical problems such as lung damage from digging for coal in unsafe mines with no protective equipment.
Nearly 90% of defectors in Seoul said they’ve had trouble settling into their new homes after a decade, according to a 2022 study from the Seoul Institute. North Korean defectors between 2017 and 2021 experienced suicidal impulses more than double the rate of South Korea population, which is already among the highest in the world, according to a survey from the Seoul Institute.
In some cases, leaving could prove fatal for family members who don’t flee. Lee, who defected to South Korea in 2017, and only gave her surname due to safety concerns, could only afford to bring one of her sons with her. When the North Korean authorities found out about her defection, they beat her oldest son to death.
“I am so lonely,” Lee said. “I want to go back and die there - South Korea is as suffocating as the North.”
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[@firstname__lastname]

Being homesick for your homeland isn't something so crazy. Especially if your family is left behind. She probably suffers from tremendous guilt about leaving as well.

[@Seevawonderloaf]

Agreed!!

[@Loudes012]

Yes it's a psychological war in her mind. Torn between having a better life and still caring intensely for her relatives back in her home country. But Communism can never be home.

[@maddogbasil]

True But still That suicide factor in Korea is No Joke Theirs a reason so many people have depression and anxiety in high school through to middle age.

[@vquiz2719]

Going to concentration camp is crazy. Even if she feels guilty for her family, she have to survive in south Korea. So that there future generation will live in better environment.

[@125discipline2]

@@vquiz2719 in the north the mines and fields are the concentration camp, in the south the entire country is the concentration camp

[@TurquoiseLemonade]

When you listened to the interviewees, they were NOT really saying they wanted to go back. They were saying they miss so much their family and worry about them so much. Also they feel guilty becaus of what their families have been experiencing because their own escape.

[@lavendervvoo2970]

Thank you. I noticed this as well. Media loves to sensationalize, though.

[@imolinar76]

Agree. They don't really want to go back there

[@tomlxyz]

That still counts as wanting back since getting their whole family out is unrealistic

[@woozy7405]

@@tomlxyz Wishing they could go back is not the same as saying they'll actually do it

[@johnsinclair4621]

The first Lady literally said „I want to go back and die in North Korea“

[@NutyRiver]

I started crying when that woman talked about her son who was killed. What a horrible thing.

[@ROKBUZZCUT]

Such things only happen in paradise...: North Korea. The fake country of psychopaths.

[@cutieprincess431]

This was so so heartbreaking. Missing people you love, fear of losing them… it’s a universal pain. I’m so sorry for these people. I hope they can find peace one day.

[@brianh9358]

The sad thing is, returning to North Korea would not resolve their pain. They most likely would be imprisoned or put in work camps far away from their relatives. The North Korean regime doesn't forgive or forget they left in the first place.

[@cv990a4]

@@brianh9358 It's a one-way trip. If you return, chances are you die or live the rest of your life in terrible prisons.

[@Wahrheit_]

​@@brianh9358It's basically a suicidal desire, the little value they give themselves is incredible

[@sueprator9314]

Another universal pain is being in a place where others think its great but its foreign to you and your main roots (family) are not there.

[@jcarbonell410]

When I came to America from Cuba, I remember telling my mom that the situation back in my Cuba wasn't that bad, and it was almost better to go back. A few years later, I visited Cuba and my jaw dropped at the terrible financial situation. So much poverty, so much misery, and such a bad authoritarian government. I had to go back to remember and to be able to better compare. There is a phycological trick that doesn't allow you to realize how bad you used to have it until you experience it again.

[@aleli5105]

Exactly hermano. We left our Cuba with such sadness in the heart. I know how much she is suffering right now

[@mwqjdpk]

The poverty and misery is caused by the American economic embargo.

[@aleli5105]

@@mwqjdpk So tell me why the USA is the biggest frozen food provider for Cuba? Why Cuba has to comercialized just with the USA? What about the rest of the countries? Why the members of the Cuban elite are obese? And the rest of the population is starving? Certainly they are eating well.

[@JigilJigil]

That's so true.

[@danniton9831]

@@mwqjdpk "The west did this." "America did this". Typical cult of personality blame game.

[@TheOneCleanHippy]

I'm an American who lived in South Korea for a while. It's especially tough because South Korea has a huge problem with mental health services. There is a giant taboo surrounding mental health in general there and that has led to a massive lack of metal health services. South Korea has by far the highest suicide rate among industrialized countries. There is little to no help for people who need it when it comes to depression or anxiety.

[@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj]

Yes I heard about that and it is sad that they don’t take mental health seriously even after so many people committed suicide.

[@lawkey14]

Both of the issues you said are true, but it's not very appropriate to relate them. If you look up the statistics, then you'll know the high suicide rate in Korea mostly comes from older people above 60s. I'm not saying this isn't a problem ofc, but just trying to correct a widespread misunderstanding.

[@Xentradi97]

This is very true

[@mariaytinexposer]

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[@johnyossarian9059]

Do they also have a lot of mentally disturbed people roaming their streets and public transport system like we have here in the States?

[@mailinglist2451]

This is so heartbreaking. I feel so compassionate towards them. They’re stuck. Physically, they’re safe, but emotionally and mentally, they’re lonely.

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

I completely understand how you feel. It's truly difficult to see people experiencing such emotional and mental loneliness. It's important to remember that during these times, providing support, understanding, and empathy can make a significant difference in their lives. Even small acts of kindness or simply lending an ear to listen can help alleviate their emotional burden. Let's continue to extend compassion and be there for those who may be feeling emotionally isolated.

[@sueprator9314]

We all have trials.

[@mimigentil5745]

South korea's culture, educational and economic system is so competitive and puts so much pressure on their own citizens to the point of turning many of them suicidal. Imagine how hard it can be for someone who came from a completely different reality, who's maybe not so young anymore, who doesn't know basic technology, suddenly being put by yourself into this whole new world... Must be so hard, I feel for them.

[@sueprator9314]

Yep just stated something similar.

[@patt5085]

Even some old people in developed countries are afraid and refuse to learn how to use TV remote.

[@Sttyn]

I have heard a lot about racism and discrimination in South Korea. They should be reminded that the ancestors of all N. Koreans were once their own people. They were just living in the wrong place at the wrong time after WW2. I hope the defectors can get more sympathy and supports and eventually feel at home in S Korea. They have been through enough in this lifetime. :(

[@remogatron1010]

That is lies and propaganda.

[@chamboyette853]

Not even necessarily the ancestors. There are still quite a few people who are alive who were alive as well before the two Koreas divided.

[@Miami799]

What does racism have to do with this? North and South Koreans are the same race.

[@scorpioninpink]

Younger South Koreans doesn't feel welcomed by SK too.

[@bobSeigar]

​@@Miami799 Race itself is an entirely made up concept. They do not see each other as the same race.

[@sami_ek]

I see people in the comments explaining the lady's attitude simply through the stockholm syndrome lens. Not understanding the utter brutality of life in a hyper capitalist country, when you come from a society that has other values than consumerism. There is a constant longing for home, or an idealized version of it. Not a day goes by where you don't miss the life you left behind, the people, the scents, even the earth and the rocks of your homeland.

[@IrrationalDelusion]

That's because "you" have nothing but people and home and told to be attached to it.

[@manima3140]

Thank you for this! This is why I believe we need to expand more terms and definitions because sometimes we tend to use limited language as an umbrella to house all sort of different and nuanced experiences when some simply don’t fully belong there because it happends to be kind of similar to the others.

[@mooyounpark8215]

Agree. Some defectors tend to keep their socialist mind that had been brainwashed for their life while they are living in the society of capitalism. They strongly get used to getting rations from the government or society and do not understand the thing that they have to get their fortune by themselves.

[@familylifetoo9541]

I can understand that .

[@pepelepew1227]

there is a bunch of digital nomads living in third world countries earning menial but first-world income (like $1500 per month which is still 5x local minimum wage).

[@ray24051]

I don't think they miss the hardships of living in North Korea They probably miss their friends and family big difference. It's heartbreaking hearing these women's stories.

[@Mario_N64]

Their new environment is also traumatizing to them.

[@masterlightjames950]

They miss North Korea. They obviously don't like the suicidal environment of the South. Period. It's clearly stated in the video.

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

You're right, when people talk about missing their home country, it's often more about missing the connections, relationships, and the sense of belonging they had with their friends and family. While it's true that North Korea presents many hardships, such as limited freedoms and economic difficulties, people still have emotional attachments to their loved ones and memories associated with their homeland. Hearing their stories can be difficult and evoke strong emotions, as it sheds light on the challenges and sacrifices they have experienced. It reminds us of the importance of empathy and understanding for their plight.

[@gregmanvel]

The words she had for her mother at the end are heartbreaking.

[@greglyons2526]

Awful regime in fairness.

[@AlanSmith88888]

As with all major cities, it’s great if you’re rich but if you’re poor, it’s a long life of struggling

[@DevonRexLady]

Absolutely.

[@Kuricang31]

Especially if you haven't lived in that city for your entire life and can't speak the language. The hardship would tripled

[@joncarolyn]

A lot of people move from the country to a big city and have done well after starting from nothing

[@mich722]

@@joncarolyn Not the majority, most can 'get by' but don't exactly have a great quality of life.

[@maxttk97]

What I am wondering is. Is Seoul the only place that you can get a decent job?

[@joeblack4436]

Maybe what they need is more rural, maybe agricultural opportunities? There must be somewhere where they can find some peace and happiness.

[@user-ug6co5kl2l]

Exactly..I think the big city of Seoul is just to much to handle. I know I can't handle the big cities imagine these people...yes I think you are correct a rural area would be better for them to adapt..a peaceful village .

[@kimberbauer1064]

That’s a great idea, these people are not accustomed to concrete city life

[@mariaberinguel25]

@@user-ug6co5kl2l I agree..plus in rural areas, neighbours could be more warmer than the individualistic people in the big city

[@audellaquinbe]

I agree to this too. And since a lot of young people come to Seoul and made lots of countryside in need of physical worker why not let them settle in the rural area? I bet they will be more comfortable there because farming is extremely needed and its not going to be differ a lot than what they do in The North.

[@cheesymoi]

...all farms look similar...

[@Nils.Minimalist]

As a german, I understand part of their situation very well. It was a very similar situation here in Germany after reunification 30 years ago, when one part of german society felt superior to the other part of the german population (identified by their accent) and treated them as second-class germans. In a capitalist society, people do not stick together, that is the weakness of capitalism. However, these North Koreans come from a society where it is imperative that people stick together and overcome the daily hurdles of life together. These North Koreans suddenly find themselves in a society where people no longer stick together, but fight each other.

[@rebeccaclark2614]

I would not say they stick together, they too are separated into classes and the higher classes (the officers and etc.) look badly upon the lower ones

[@Nils.Minimalist]

@@user-gs4tn9pe6m Most people in such a dictatorship know who they can trust and who they cannot. But sometimes betrayal still happens, even within families, of course in such a system you are never 100% safe. But in the end, people stick together and help each other in such a situation (everyday life). Life in such a system is like a double-edged blade.

[@deezeed2817]

Marx had a name for it. It's called alienation and it comes from the fact that workers in a capitalist society are separated from their labor and values of a capitalist society is hyper competitive. This is why divorce rates are so high and people are becoming depressed despite having more wealth. They feel out of touch with their labor and every form of social relations is highly commodified. How many times have relations broke down because of money? It happens alot and it is the root cause of unhappiness in a capitalist society.

[@abdirahmanidris290]

​@@deezeed2817true but Marxism is a failed system. A capitalist society with family values and a strong middle class is best.

[@ZoranJovic-li2ee]

@@user-gs4tn9pe6m the same thing applies in every country in the world. you believe in democracy, lol

[@washeltonstate8761]

This is an example of the paradox of poverty, and how the wrong people with power can ruin thousands and millions of lives. They all deserved better.

[@ellenmcdaniel1550]

It does not help that most people are worked to literal death in South Korea and treated like slaves by South Korean companies. I could see some North Korean defectors being like, what's the difference?

[@catchmeifyoucan1095]

Exactly, its even worse when north koreans face more discrimination in south korea as well

[@stephenwonghongweng4298]

South Korea is very very brutal in terms of capitalism. Not always the K-pop paradise it is painted out to be

[@earlysda]

Ellen, you didn't catch from the video that the South Korean govt. is giving them plenty of money to live on?

[@vegandolls]

@@earlysdadid you not catch that she can’t afford heat. How is that plenty of money. Heat is pretty basic

[@earlysda]

@@vegandolls K. She said she lives better than executives in North Korea. Perhaps we watched different videos.

[@GierlangBhaktiPutra]

Life in S. Korea is driven by consumerism. People want to have the latest nicest things and nobody wants to be left behind trend. So difficult if you come from a life that value things other than materialistic value. Been there for three years, and I kinda understand their struggle in S. Korea.

[@hendywijaya3213]

Apakah sekarang sudah pulang ke tanah air? Bagaimana pengalaman hidup di sana?

[@vaccinatedanti-vaxxer]

South korea has the lowest birth rate in the world and the world's highest suicide rate. It's a hyper competitive country. People have to constantly perform, including maintain status.

[@hendywijaya3213]

@@vaccinatedanti-vaxxer not to mention, you have to change your face to an acceptable-by-society-face so you can apply for a job. It's crazy

[@lavendervvoo2970]

It’s not only that people are driven by consumerism. You have to realize what the other options are. South Koreans know that it’s capitalism that upholds the pillars of democracy. We didn’t invent it, but it’s the truth. There’s no way we’re going back to a time when Communism seeped through the country.

[@hendywijaya3213]

@@lavendervvoo2970 why do people only think in extreme way? Socialism, like everything else, is only bad when it's applied extremely. You just have to find the balance between two extremes. It's not easy but not impossible.

[@daMacadamBlob]

After living in Europe for over 10 years my father returned to Morocco, partly out of homesickness. It was the greatest disappointment of his life, over the years he had forgotten all the bad things, and having been used to the comfort and efficiency of Europe made it especially brutal. It’s illegal to take more than 2000 euros or something out of the country so my parents left with almost nothing.

[@sheikhshakilakhtar1865]

Alhamdu lillaah. He has returned to a Muslim land.

[@PLuMUK54]

My best friend visited, on family business, his homeland after 18 years in Europe. He had looked forward to the trip but came back disillusioned. He was accompanied by his mother, who had left about 8 years previously. Apparently, after the pleasure of meeting her friends had worn off, she kept saying that she wanted to go home. Unfortunately, memory has a tendency to wear rose-tinted glasses.

[@HOEDENKOPF]

Where in morocco are you from my brother, my family is from Azrou

[@daMacadamBlob]

@@HOEDENKOPF marrakech

[@macbuff81]

I've been battling complex PTSD for about 15 years now. It is horrific and debilitating. A shameful darkness that's indescribable. It feeds on itself. I wish I could go back in time and tell myself that I was worth something. To undo the damage I did to my life/prevent myself from pushing away an amazing loving woman and promising professional career. It is important that we don't live people like this North Korean defector alone. Teaching self-reliance is critical, but so is extending a helping hand. The trauma cannot be undone, but when caught early on, one can learn how to better manage the symptoms resulting from it.

[@passiveaggressiveflamingo6851]

Sending you positive vibes and ❤

[@ashleemarie8779]

Honestly if they created a North Korean subdivision/area so they had ppl who can relate and support each other I feel like that would be so beneficial

[@smirglvojtechskovajsa2787]

Have you tried vipassana meditation? I was battling severe anxiety for 1,5 years and it really helped. Doing a vipassana course was one of my best decisions ever, not just for my mental health.

[@parformosa]

I curse and bind that spirit of PTSD in Jesus name, nightmares and trauma go away in by the power for the Cross through the Holy Spirit… play x worship songs Christian worship ship songs thanks Heavenly Father for healing

[@donnavorce8856]

There are new therapies available. The most promising seems to be treatment with psilocybin. There are early tests in which people suffering such as yourself are virtually freed from their PTSD prisons after treatment. I sincerely wish for you to find your way out. Please look into new treatments. Perhaps one will be just right for you.

[@JoeyXSmith]

People don't understand that South Koreans also discriminate against North defectors. There are people in the South who mock defectors and treat them as second class citizens. The language between the two sides has changed a bit, too. Similar to American to British English.

[@mikel4879]

JoeyxSmith • South Koreans and the japanese are sone of the most racist people on Earth.

[@joeyhandles]

BASED SK

[@RedBird7]

​@@joeyhandleshow is that based

[@arbs3ry]

Not only do they discriminate North Koreans but also Chinese Koreans. Over half of Chinese nationals living in South Korea are Chinese Koreans, most of them are working in factories and construction sites and many other sectors with lower payments, they are portrayed as second class citizens without manners and in many Korean movies they played the roles of criminals.

[@sel5908]

​@@arbs3ry 탈북민, 조선족들이 2등 시민인게 맞습니다. 한국인들은 태어나자마자 세금 내면서 살고 있는데 어느날 갑자기 북한에서 남한으로 넘어와서 각종 많은 혜택을 받는데, 이것은 한국인에 대한 역차별 인거죠. 지금 탈북인들이 2019년에 조사한 숫자가 3만명이 넘었어요. 너무 많이 넘어와서 그 사람들 주택 구입비랑 주거수당에 들어가는 돈이 한국인들의 세금에서 나가는데 한국인들에게는 부담입니다. 그리고 오랜동안 서로 떨어져 살면서 생활방식이나 사고방식이 남한인들과 북한인들은 달라져서 이질감을 느낍니다. 조선족들은 중국에 국적을 가진 사람들이고 중국인들의 성향을 가지고 있어서 한국인들에게 환영받지 못합니다.

[@ankitanandy6076]

What they miss is not the regime, but the family, the home they grew in, they have emotional ties. This video is so misleading. Not everyone can adjust to a new life at any and every age.

[@earlysda]

Ankita has the first insightful comment I've read on this thread. The video is very misleading. The NK woman says she lives better now than an executive in NK.

[@MaryAnnSweetAngel]

shes also treated like an outsider

[@kim_yong_un]

Let’s dismiss the discrimination and blame all on “emotional ties”.

[@ankitanandy6076]

@@kim_yong_un Emotionally healthy people live better even when a tonne of problems are loaded onto them. immigrant discrimination problems are worldwide, not everyone goes into depression, feels suicidal and wants to go back. If you want to overlook emotional health and just force native people to be more accepting, then you can conclude whatever you want to. Lot many immigrants get economically successful in life and later turn to anti-depressants while they feel emotionally hollow. money is not everything and you cannot find "new" friends all the time.

[@ankitanandy6076]

@@MaryAnnSweetAngel immigrants always are... No new news. Not all immigrants contemplate return and suicide. You have to see it differently here. These are not happy opportunists... they are fighting for the basics.

[@MarthaDeTa358]

This administration is putting many families in difficult situations. A lot of people are financially struggling to live, put a roof over their head and put food on the table. Things are getting worse these days, if you don't find means of multiplying your money you might wake up a day to realise you didn't plan well for yourself and family.

[@Florencecoxx]

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[@MarthaDeTa358]

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[@Florencecoxx]

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[@Hannahpine]

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[@mapletree4283]

I don't hear anyone saying that they want to go back. They are just having tough times in korea adjusting, leading to severe homesickness.

[@rapperstyle-jj1yf]

This happens when you are not treated equally, when you are considered inferior... Loneliness becomes overwhelming... you lack the connection... When you live disconnected is a terrible place to be... You feel every day that you are losing your identity... is an emptiness that you carry inside of your soul... Sometimes much more difficult to endure than physical torture... to feel rejected as a human...

[@ysub2435]

Very Well said. This is the original south korea. That mean you have mental issues, you are poor, you don't fit in the s.korean society. Or in this country.

[@varunemani]

They named a movie 'Parasite' and brought out the horrifying cruelty and selfish nature of the elietes and rich in South Korea. Don't think it changed anybodies attitudes though. Same old same old life, choosing death (N. Korea) is atleast plenty cheaper. 🍷

[@Photography_World_Channe-cd3zw]

My life in germany. Social isolation, can't connect, and its borring. I only speak for myself. Born in Bosnia.

[@Baukleben]

​@@Photography_World_Channe-cd3zw come with me friend.

[@sueprator9314]

Even if no one is mistreating you, if you feel OUTSIDE of the main group of people, it adds to the anxiety and lonliness no matter where you are. However coming from N Korea that is so extreme...really feel for the lady but its MAINLY HER FAMILY. IF HER SON HAD LIVED AND COME SOUTH, he might have helped here acclimate.

[@change9517]

SK has highest suicide rates in OECD. It is a harsh place to live.

[@derp8575]

For men. Men are expected to be educated and at least solid middle class. No house, no spouse.

[@JIMMYJAMES156821]

When someone gains more “freedom,” they also gain anxiety because there are so MANY decisions, options, etc which suddenly appear that it can seem overwhelming!

[@Dokkaebi365]

I would imagine the shock of change in lifestyle, economy, and social expectations paired with the guilt, trauma and worry from what and who the left behind would cause a huge amount of despair for anyone. It’s understandable to feel conflicted and lost in such circumstances.

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

Yes, living through significant changes in lifestyle, economy, and social expectations can be unsettling and overwhelming. These changes often require individuals to adapt to new ways of thinking, living, and working, which can lead to feelings of uncertainty, anxiety, and despair. Additionally, leaving behind loved ones and worrying about their well-being can add to the emotional burden. The guilt of leaving family and friends behind, especially if they are facing difficulties, can create immense internal conflict and a sense of helplessness. Furthermore, traumatic experiences related to these changes, such as losing possessions, livelihoods, or even personal safety, can exacerbate the feelings of despair. As such, it is natural for anyone in these circumstances to feel conflicted, lost, and emotionally overwhelmed. During such challenging times, it is crucial for individuals to seek support and understanding from loved ones, friends, or mental health professionals. By acknowledging and processing these emotions, individuals can begin to navigate their new circumstances, find new sources of joy and fulfillment, and build resilience in the face of change.

[@FilipHrvatska94]

i think that north koreans get institutionalized just like prisoners.. they get so used to the strict rules and obeying them, that once they have to "think for themselves" or handle their own stuff, it is just too much and they cant handle it.. when prisoners get released after spending a long time locked up, they get out and all of a sudden they are expected to be a functioning part of society that is completley foreign to them... they have to apply for allowances, welfare, jobs, housing and so on and they are simply overwhelmed.. i once heard that a man was talking about all the stuff he is going to do once he gets out and when that day came he just collapsed and said "just lock me up again! at least in prison i know who i am and what i got to do!" so yeah i really feel sorry for the people that make it out and an realize that the barbwire wasnt only surrounding their body/country but is also present in their head, you know what i mean?

[@pinkmatter8488]

This is what happens to your brain when it's juiced on propaganda folks

[@dorayap7734]

I know what u mean, i being there, the first day i got released from prison, i was mermerized by the light in town, and the loud sound on the streets. Like it was a different world

[@Lotantio]

In Shawshank Redemption, one old guy gets released from prison after several decades and commits suicide because he can't handle living on the outside.

[@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj]

I think you are so right… They have been locked up for so long that they are not used to the outside world anymore.

[@analyticalmindset]

You just made up a whole excuse in your head

[@prakash_77]

Brought tears to my eyes. It's such a sad state really. I think South Korea isn't the best destination for some of the folks defecting from North Korea. But without the knowledge of any other language, I doubt they'd be welcome to any other country, let alone allowed. Hopefully, the bias against these people decreases in South Korea and better financial and other aid becomes available so issues like the one mentioned in video don't happen. If you allow your citizen to work and enter the economy, it's better in long term for the economy as well, despite the initial training/housing expenditure. It isn't just a favour, but a win-win situation.

[@parkkimlee1760]

It is not a matter of bias. It is a matter of brutal capitalism and the lack of functioning social welfare system. If you come to a capitalist country without a penny, what do you expect you can do? The SK government give them about 30K usd for settlement, which is not that much but it is quite a lot when you really think about it. The SK government can do more of course, but there is so much a capitalist country can do.

[@analyticalmindset]

Gotta love capitalism without a safety net , if you don't start the game with the necessary bare minimum advantages, you'll be starving soon.

[@jarednovel]

The Government of South Korea refuses to recognize that these people from the North are Broken and require more help to survive in a the SOuth

[@trex1448]

They would be even worse off in another country. They wouldn't be able to speak the language and the culture would be entirely different. Institutionalization is real. These people are like people born in jail who get released into freedom.

[@Buttsceatcgee]

@@parkkimlee1760 why do you keep bringing up the word “capitalist?” I don’t see communism or other parties doing better or even doing anything.

[@cacaPoopTrain]

As someone who is 1st gen in my family born in America, I told my grandmother from Cuba, “what is freedom if we are working 80 hours per week and can barely eat?” She didn’t disagree, I was surprised.

[@poulnrgaard7820]

Right. If you can barely eat, at least it's better to remain where you don't have to work.

[@thegarfield2414]

Move back to Cuba then.

[@robert-rv8lo]

Not to mention most of the poverty in Cuba has to do with the American trade embargo. Countries won't touch Cuba because they themselves don't want to be sanctioned, so they are isolated from the rest of the world.

[@julianhermanubis6800]

You think like a sheep. So long as the sheep are fed, they don't care that they are in an enclosure.

[@AltairEgo1]

​@@julianhermanubis6800yeah, eating is overrated anyway.

[@Constr4ct]

When you are born in a country, any country, that is where you grow up and make your first impression of life. Leaving home, family, and everything else you know behind is unimaginable, even if you were born in North Korea. You are literally starting over.

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

Leaving the familiarity of one's home, family, and everything one knows behind can indeed be a daunting prospect. It requires immense courage and adaptability to start over in a completely new environment, even for individuals born in countries with challenging circumstances like North Korea. In such cases, the process of starting over comes with its own unique set of challenges and considerations. Growing up in North Korea, individuals are typically exposed to a highly controlled and isolated society. Their worldview, beliefs, and values are influenced by the state ideology, which may differ significantly from the outside world. As a result, starting over in a different country often means adjusting to a whole new way of life, a new culture, and sometimes even a different language. It demands an open mind and a willingness to learn and adapt. Additionally, leaving home and family behind can be emotionally difficult and mentally demanding. Family connections are deeply ingrained in our lives, providing a sense of security, belonging, and identity. Separation from loved ones can trigger a range of emotions such as homesickness, loneliness, and nostalgia, which can take time to overcome. Starting over in a new country might also entail facing various practical challenges. Obtaining legal status, finding employment, securing housing, and adapting to the local customs and norms can all be substantial hurdles to overcome. Furthermore, the unfamiliarity of the new environment can lead to feelings of disorientation, alienation, and a sense of being an outsider

[@djp1234]

A whole country suffering because of one pathetic little dictator.

[@andreivasin7996]

a little more than one. it's backed by chinese ones.

[@captspeedy1899]

@@andreivasin7996 And none of you can do anything about it😂

[@Gamingdan867]

@@captspeedy1899shut it furry

[@stevenbaksh5545]

​@@andreivasin7996 The Kim regime is at fault they could have changed and opened up like Vietnam did funny enough Kim Jung Ill was given a tour of China and how it operates politically and economically in the early 2000s but he did not take the example the Chinese officials were showing him he came home and just doubled down on his policy of military first and Kim Jung Un is just upholding status quo

[@funky_cartel097]

​@@captspeedy1899 china can.

[@chubear8244]

So saddening to hear her say they're living better than most north korean executives. You can just imagine the hunger and the discomfort people had to live with daily over there. It's even more heartbreaking hearing the story about how another woman's son had been tortured to death and disposed of like roadkill :( i understand they long for their families and miss them enough to risk punishment. Loneliness is such a strong force. No comfort nor wealth can ever make up for the emptiness. :'( i hope for their happiness from here on out

[@JAM661]

Well she need to find a purpose in her life instead of thinking about things she cannot be take back. Maybe there is non-profit she can volunteer at.

[@swaggurlmoney]

@@JAM661Her son was literally beaten to death.... stuff like that on top of survivors guilt is not something you can just push aside.

[@no_one2197]

@@JAM661 your lack of empathy is unbelievable

[@cecileroy557]

Sadly - she would have no way of knowing that in N. Korea, esp. in the capital, "executives" do not live in a tiny apartment and can be very rich.

[@masterlightjames950]

@@JAM661 you're clearly an American. Only one country produces people so evil and dark-minded.

[@specialiseesi6746]

I don´t blame them. I left Brazil to Canada, and stayed there 4 years the first time, then 5 years. I lost a girlfriend (she didn´t want to come and died in Brazil), a great friend. Then no more relationships : ZERO. Nine years without a girlfriend and horrible jobs. Devastated emotionally and psychologically, I went back to Brazil and that is the best decision I´ve ever made: it cured me from depression and brought me immense joy. Now, my homeland is an open and democratic nation (no matter now many problems we´ve got), not a hardened military dictatorship like North Korea. Not being able to return to your homeland should be a nightmare. I can´t imagine that... or people like the Syrians or Ukrainians, who cannot go back AT ALL. May they find peace of mind back in N. Korea, at least. Money can´t buy happiness... It´s FOOL´S GOLD!!

[@KA-vs7nl]

Yes please all go back!! Thats awesome now all of you do it!! Get out thanks!!! :)

[@specialiseesi6746]

@@KA-vs7nl And you have no business telling people where they should live. You and your family probably invaded indigenous land non-invited and you too should move out.

[@Fido-vm9zi]

How many people on this world were FORCED from their homes and homeland?

[@effix9097]

I’m an American, and I can firmly say that I’d never live in South Korea. The culture is so fast-paced and getting even a rather simple job is far more difficult than in America. I can understand how North Korean defectors would feel more drawn to resettle in South Korea, given the shared language, but to be most successful and happy, I think these women would have been better off settling in a different country.

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

It's understandable that you have concerns about the fast-paced culture and job market in South Korea. Every individual's preference and comfort levels with different cultures and environments can vary. However, it's important to note that many people do find happiness and success living in South Korea, despite the challenges. South Korea is a developed country with a thriving economy and a high standard of living. It offers a wide range of job opportunities in various industries, especially in technology, entertainment, and manufacturing. While it might be true that getting a job there can sometimes be competitive, many people find fulfilling careers and enjoy the benefits that come with living in such a dynamic society. Regarding North Korean defectors, settling in South Korea allows them to reconnect with their roots, language, and culture. It provides opportunities for better education, employment, and social integration. While there can be challenges in adapting to a new society, South Korea has established various support systems and programs to help defectors adjust and thrive. Of course, there are also other countries where these women could potentially settle and find success and happiness. Ultimately, the decision of where to live depends on individual circumstances, goals, and personal preferences. It's important to respect the choices of individuals while recognizing that different people find different places suitable for their lives.

[@derp8575]

My brother and his girlfriend lived in Seoul for two years. Without an English degree he was able to get a job teaching English.

[@Jim_Bag]

Yeah they’re probably dealing with some extreme mental health issues from their experience.

[@lsemenov]

I was born and raised in Soviet Union, so I understand this crying woman very well. Competitive capitalist society is fine for young energetic and clever migrants who can win. For weak and older people socialism is just better. Stable quiet simple life, that's it. You don't care about employment, about taxes, about housing, about prices and other basics of life. People around you are mostly friendly and don't care about their status as they all have approximately the same. From the other hand, socialism can be very boring for young, strong and egoistic people who like expensive cars and other toys not accessible in socialist society. There is no ideal system for all.

[@warfaageeddi3128]

Well said

[@usmanhassan7697]

Well said

[@MK_ULTRA420]

Socialism is ideal for moral authoritarians who can't manage their money.

[@mirmir0003]

well worded

[@umqpta2759]

For young and “egoistic” youth? Really? Communist ideal of social equality remained an empty slogan. Because while the majority of country was suffering from the lack of daily goods (but it’s ok, because everyone suffers) elite was getting privileges. Technically, they didn’t own anything. It was government and people’s property. But elite could use it at anytime. Others were working really hard to just earn for bread. Additionally, living was worse if you lived in other “republic” than RSFSR.

[@ashleykinder8877]

I've watched videos of a few North Korean defectors who were extremely depressed while living in South Korea bc they were treated very poorly. They ended up moving to the US (these few ppl whose videos I watched) and they were much happier. We don't judge them or treat them poorly (according to them), we are the opposite: happy for them, eager to help, full of encouragement. We also don't have such stigmas surrounding mental health as we used to, or as many other countries currently have. They said they got enough education and government assistance to get them on their feet. I hope that's true for anyone who escapes North Korea to make their way to the United States, that we are the polar opposite of what the regime told them we were. Edit: I'm not saying that South Korea is a bad place, of course. I just thought it was interesting and pretty spiffy that the ppl who came here with the assumption that Americans viscerally hated them (that's what the propaganda made them believe) were very pleasantly surprised to learn that most of us are not actually like that.

[@masterlightjames950]

I bet Americans are worse than South Koreans. It wasn't Koreans who has hundreds of millions of people worldwide, especially women and children, tortured billions with economic sanctions and physical torture and wiped out countless generations and indigenous population. You Americans are evíl beyond description.

[@marct9942]

They say they miss their families, but I did not hear one say they miss the oppressive cult.

[@gannmegann]

I emphatize with her, it must be super stressfull for them to suddenly have to race with other people like most South Korean do, it's stressfull for people who born and raise there, let alone people that coming from a country that has a totally different life style. I hope the got whatever the need

[@CharlieC738]

I can only imagine their pain. Their freedom comes at such a great cost, mental, emotional, physical and financial. They have to overcome their trauma and then adjust to a new way of life. I really hope more can be done for them.

[@ZoranJovic-li2ee]

it is fake freedom, perhaps they do financially better only.

[@ciancabanizas3635]

For me, I don't want to go back to Philippines. I want to stay in Singapore.

[@jameysummers1577]

The grass is always greener, however leaving your family behind is a special kind of torture.

[@shiroi_usagi]

i didn’t hear anyone say they wanted to go back..words matter!

[@Africanwaistline]

Why would Koreans make fun of Northerners?? How could they be that cruel 😢

[@khust2993]

Regionalism is a thing

[@vikasbiliye5023]

My own neighbour makes fun of me because i am from another part of the same country.

[@johncarter40101]

@@vikasbiliye5023 hahaaha, sorry, but that was funny.

[@rachelleeden8824]

Completely irrelevant but I've never met anyone whose name is pronounced like mine! The power of the internet.

[@AndorranStairway]

Because the North Koreans that defect are generally the wealthy ones from Pyongyang. South Koreans don’t always buy the victim story; only westerners do. Notice how so many North Koreans can defect and then make money from all their anti North Korea appearances? I just think it’s odd how people who don’t live in Korea think they know North Koreans better than the South Koreans

[@piko3058]

Imagine ur life is simple in North Korea cuz u can’t do much. Then u escaped to South Korea. Now u have to work for many things, work, pay rent, adapt to the society. It’s actually easier said than done.

[@Meisha-san]

This broke my heart into a million pieces. I am South African. Every so often, I meet black South Africans who long for the apartheid times and would literally like things to go back to how they were. They prefer that degrading human experience, where they knew their place in the lower rungs of society without question, rather than attempting to explore and create a new reality for themselves. The similarities are amazing. The past trauma experiences, lack of education & skills, as well as, a desperately lacking support system. The new government's a disgraceful sham & the communities have broken down beyond being able to provide any support. It's truly amazing to see these very different, but also nearly parallel experiences.

[@spookycorey]

Omg why would anyone want to go back to such terrible times!?

[@glidercoach]

I lived in South Africa for years both before and many years after Apartheid. The standard of living has gone down for everyone in every aspect of life. I sold my home there in 2015.

[@landiserla3668]

@@spookycorey South Africa government is so corrupt now they can barely keep electricity on, and 4-6 hours of day is average.

[@user-hl9my4if5u]

because it's not about race but corruption. the corrupt white rulers were redplaceed by corrup black ones. corruption is the key word

[@noidsuper]

In all fairness, Apartheid in the later years was less oppressive, and they experienced a general higher quality of life due to having an actually competent government. Current SA is a murderous hellscape.

[@nekochen]

Her attachment isn't the land of North Korea, it's her family that got left behind. If they all came down to SK with her, I think her situation would be at least a little better knowing your family is by your side through happiness and struggle.

[@MyWorldIsYourOyster]

There used to be a saying (likely a documentary from what I recall): Rich Japan; Poor Japanese. I’d say that this is the case for South Korea. 😢

[@RayMak]

It’s not easy to leave family behind

[@wise_old_tree]

It's been a lot of time since i saw your comment man

[@cloroxbleach5159]

This is very common, you don’t realize how bad it was until you go back and can compare. That’s when you really realize that you’ve now glorified the past.

[@lranieri1]

from one prison to another, in some cases freedom isn't enough! Thank you for this story!

[@emmanuelsantos2921]

So heart-breaking. Wish I have the power to create a small community for defectors here in the Philippines. Our country may not be perfect but it is a happy place.

[@jostea8155]

If it's so happy, why do so many immigrate, so many computer brides

[@thepilgrim6375]

YOU ARE DREAMING! GET REAL!

[@emmanuelsantos2921]

Mobile phones with camera were just a dream in 1960s. But now, everyone seems to have one. It was just a dream long time ago.

[@THEqueenspringday]

​@@thepilgrim6375so true!

[@moncollet2282]

Lol. Help the struggling citizens first.

[@henrytang2203]

This is very sad. It reminds me of The Shawshank Redemption, one of the inmates was released late in life and couldn't adapt to life outside of prison.

[@tangaz5819]

Red

[@user-xj5ig9yy2v]

but that doesnt make whole society a bad person. This video paints SK like some evil third world country that hates our own people.

[@hendywijaya3213]

Indeed.. What's the point of giving someone decades of punishment in jail, might as well give them death penalty.

[@soulkiss1013]

That part always makes me cry. 😢

[@nguyengia1401]

@@tangaz5819 Not Red. "Brooks was here."

[@jfaraujoura]

Imagine living in a country which if you leave it someone of your family will be killed by the government. I think just by you birthing on there you'll be never happy in anywhere you live

[@miannalee1616]

These ppl DO NOT want to go back!!! They miss their family!!!! 😢

[@AdSd100]

Loneliness is worse than any oppressive regime. Oppressive regimes don’t bother you everyday. They leave you alone for the most part as long as you don’t cross the line. Loneliness on the other hand will torment you every second of your life.

[@buckybarns5984]

I think it’s sad that defectors think their family will be safe, even though they learn in school that anyone’s family who defects will suffer for three generations

[@madpsychiatrist6485]

That's because the South Korean government tells the defectors that their family in NK are safe because they don't want the defectors to panic.Actually they may be dead or in concentration camps.

[@danieldoo1821]

N. Korean defectors living in the South, etc, say that if a N. Korean defects anywhere in the world and then comes back to N. Korea, they will be interrogated, and, likely imprisoned or murdered. I am confused, these defector women think that " Oh the South isn't the place I dreamed it would be, should just go back to the North " as if N. Korea's regime will be welcoming ?

[@buckybarns5984]

@@danieldoo1821 exactly

[@rapperstyle-jj1yf]

@@danieldoo1821 nobody would understand, not if you have not been in the situation... this happens when you are not treated equally and loneliness becomes overwhelming... you lack the connection... When you live disconnected is a terrible place to be... You feel every day that you are losing your identity... is an emptiness inside that you carry inside of your soul... Sometimes much more difficult to endure than physical torture...

[@prometheuslee3145]

These days, family members of defectors are not executed simply because there are too many defectors. It is impossible even for N. Korean government to severely punish more than a hundred thousand people. They are just watched.

[@markcollins1012]

Heartbreaking. I can't imagine being so separated from your loved ones. I hope she gets treatment for the PTSD, grief, or whatever she is dealing with.

[@junguchoi8318]

The title is misleading. The defectors are not missing North Korea. They are missing the family they left behind. And they are having difficulties getting adjusted to the new society, which is normal.

[@ligbzd837]

Why don't some people - especially elderly - survive happily in a new place? Because it is LOVE that makes a home. Love of a family. Without that LOVE, all new places loose its excitment...

[@user-gt7op7we8e]

They chose to leave their family behind knowing that they'd be tortured/killed...

[@stankssmile5865]

​@@user-gt7op7we8e that's an added on survivors guilt besides the rat race they have to muster the strength for.

[@sueprator9314]

The guilt she probably feels with her son getting killed, being left behind would make any Mother miserable no matter where she was. Then her own Mom, I think was still behind. Love or Not she has the love for them.

[@kaynesheenan]

I don't blame them - living in South Korea is so stressful. For everyone, let alone them.

[@ytn00b3]

dude I don't think you've even watched the entire clip. They're stressful not because of S.Korea but overwhelming trauma from fear during defection and their left-over family members in North Korea. Living in S.Korea much better than in North Korea according to detector.

[@kaynesheenan]

@@ytn00b3 I’ve watched it and much more and have also lived in South Korea. There is massive racism towards North Koreans from South Koreans

[@lawkey14]

@@kaynesheenan Massive, huh?

[@Golmar_227]

​@zenidith Racism isn't a correct term since you can't be racist to someone who is from the same ethnic background. Discrimination is a correct term

[@The_Art_of_AI_888]

@@Golmar_227 You're right about the term. But in reality, many S.Korean actually see themself S. Koreans are superior and N. Korean as an "inferior race".

[@ophyjenkins8283]

I remember when the Wall came down that divided Germany into East and West. Families had been split/separated and were unable to have any contact what so ever. After decades of separation the Wall came down and everybody thought it would be a happy transition. It was not easy for the two sides to mesh back into one. Even now, decades later there is still a divide in Germany. The two never really were able to come back into "one" nation.

[@sabaidee5587]

Die armen Menschen, die sind total zerrissen zwischen zwei extremen.

[@TheTrueOnyxRose]

I guess sometimes living better than most isn’t enough. There seems to be more valuable things out there than mere material possessions…like connections with others. Apparently, there will be those who are willing to trade in their much-improved stations-in-life so they can be with the ones they care about again…no matter how bad the conditions they’re living in are.

[@theguynextdoor4978]

There's nothing wrong with missing the people they left behind, in fact, this is human. However, it's also important to understand the psychological impact living in the North has on them. They have experienced a lot of traumatic events both from living in the North and possibly also during the escape. What these people need the most is a proper follow-up by specialists. In lots of Asian countries, they have completely different views on psychologists and treatment. Seeing a shrink, or having proper help offers are not as common as in the west.

[@kurt168]

Her parents are in a labor camp

[@whimsicallady9759]

Ugh it’s got to be just pure shock being in such an extremely different place. Even though they’re lives will be much better physically, the trauma and guilt, paranoia etc. must be debilitating. I only hope they can find peace and thrive knowing their sacrifice and strength will keep them going because the family back in nk would want them to be happy.

[@missmeghanlee1]

I can never begin to understand what these brave people went through and how they are feeling but I know how important family is, especially in certain cultures. Sometimes it may seem better to suffer with your loved ones instead of being alone, even in these extreme circumstances.

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

I can only imagine the immense challenges and hardships that these brave individuals have faced, particularly in extreme circumstances. While I may not fully comprehend their experiences or emotions, I recognize the significance of family, particularly within certain cultural contexts. In many situations, the idea of enduring suffering alongside loved ones may provide a sense of solidarity and support, outweighing the potential alternative of being alone.

[@Fluxwux]

Even if it’s not comparable with North Korea in the slightest, South Korea is still a dystopian society in many aspects due to brutal societal expectations on education and work culture - alongside some of the biggest gaps between rich and poor in the entire world. Making South Korea among the most depressed and su1cidal nations on earth. People in the south don’t even start families anymore because the pressure to work hard (maybe 10 hours a day) is so high and many people can’t afford it. Even if South Korea paradoxically actually have a pretty low worker productivity compared to other more laidback countries in terms of work-life balance that therefore have healthier workers that work to live rather than live to work

[@matheusvillela9150]

South Korean military dictatorship set up by the US executed in 1950 alone, at least 100 thousand people, probably multiple times that.

[@nathalee.a]

1. South Korea's high-tech and closed-off society 2. Survivor's guilt South Korea is a hyper-competitive society so it's understandable (though not acceptable) if they're more self-centered and unable to sympathize with the defectors. I hope SK can soften a little and open their hands and hearts for them. If not please find them a more supportive place. The barriers such as language and culture would be greater, but that could be more socially rewarding. I hope they could get mental health support to overcome their traumas and survivor's guilt.

[@user-gt7op7we8e]

Survivor's guilt? They knew their family was gonna be killed when they defected, yet they still chose to leave them behind

[@jess7142]

Why do we need to support NK defectors in the first place? Did SKs start the war with NK? No, NK did. Did we have a history of killing or slaving NK people? No. Did we colonize or exploit NK? no. Did they escape NK for the goodness of SK, or did SK force them to escape? NO.

[@arifahmedkhan9999]

It's not understandable at all. NK and SK are literally the same. It's hust that you people lack morals and Samaritan values. You people sold them for a materialistic price of more money

[@letsplaywar]

@@arifahmedkhan9999 cool it with the Anti Capitalist mindset.

[@nathalee.a]

@@user-gt7op7we8e Their survival instinct got the best of them, they fled, survived, then felt guilty. Messed up, right? But it's just human's basic instinct. It's the leader who oppressed his people for personal gain who really f*cked up, that's the evil.

[@johnchang3807]

Loneliness kills.

[@countsmyth]

I live in S Korea for 15 years now. I suffered nothing like these people, yet at times being married feel trapped. It's not easy being homesick.

[@Peterblack12]

What I find curious is that I often hear people saying north Koreans don't try to escape because they know the family will be sent to a prison camp and tortured. However, on this video, the young man escaped, saved up money for two years and hired someone to get his mother out. There was no prison camp or they weren't even scrutinizing her as being the parents of a defector. Then she got out too! Now, am i being an apologist for n Korea? Absolutely not, i know some horrible stuff goes on there. The sensationalism that often goes on when reporting on n Korea helps no one.

[@fatherfreddie8512]

Fact: DPRK is considered by many independent research organizations as the most 'Harmonious Nation' on earth.

[@twietter]

it is everyone is misreable there

[@unclechinsyou8555]

The West would commit and practice a great many cardinal sins, many of them knowingly, such as centuries-long global, - 'Colonization', - 'Genocide', - 'Slavery', - 'Colonialism', - 'Global Warming', etc which benefits them enormously for centuries worldwide. Then they would initiate and take a measure to ban those practices worldwide, and even take credit for it. [Note: Today's global warming is caused in large part by nearly two centuries of excessive coal burning, mainly in the West.] Since the end of World War II, 248 armed conflicts occurred in 153 regions in the world, of which 201 were initiated by the USA-led Capitalist Western bloc. Truth is, the Capitalist Western bloc initiated all these armed conflicts for their very own interest, first and foremost. [ For instance, Capitalist Imperialist Anglo Western war in Iraq was all about OIL, and 20 years of Afghan occupation was for RARE EARTH MINERALS. About half a million Iraq citizens and over one hundred thousand Afghans died... Their 15 years of war in Indochina was all about RUBBER that the region produced around 80% of world supply in those days. About 5 million innocent Vietnamese citizens and 6 million Cambodians died due to the direct and indirect effect of war.] Slavery, Colonialism & Colonization are all evil things done by evildoers. The West/Christian Europeans are major participants & benefactors of centuries-long global, - Slavery, - Colonialism, - Colonization worldwide, from North/South America to Australia/New Zealand to Siberia/Far-East Asia. Now they are claiming big chunks of Antarctica as well. The world is full of wolves wearing sheep's clothing, and playing victim. These wolves are nothing more than 'Scumbags' who enjoy living off the people of the world's blood & sweat, lands & resources for generation after generation, century after century. It's all about their Interests & Hegemony above all else, by all means and at all costs. The rest they couldn't care less. The rest is history. Wolf will be wolf; with wolves roaming around, there's little or no chance the poor world will survive, let alone prosper. The world community must be united to overwhelm them... UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL. 💪💪💪

[@twietter]

@@unclechinsyou8555 That doesn’t even fit considering The west is not the only one who did these things Even soviet union had no problem with any of that , if only they did it themselves Most of it’s territories were annexed by force So you wrote all that paragraph for absolutely nothing and you are also ignorant

[@olefella7561]

No wonder the nation is under never-ending Western sanctions/boycotts.

[@Jouhatsu-oi5qg]

Very morally upright nation in the world.

[@poshbo]

This video is highly superficial and leaves far too many things unclear. For example, they mention that there are programs to train and support defectors but don't mention if the two defector women wanting to return to the North have actually participated in those programs or what they thought of them; thus there's no analysis of whether the programs are sufficient or effective. The defector with her face blurred said that her son stayed in North Korea and was beaten to death and his body thrown out after the rest of the family defected but how could she know about this? Who told her that this happened to her son? And this was also a golden opportunity to ask the defectors how bad life really was in the North, is it as Orwellian as the Western Press and those celebrity defectors say it is? And if it is so bad then why do they want to return? How do they plan on returning? And what do they expect will happen to them if they return? There have been plenty of superficial articles and videos published before about defectors wanting to return to the North, this video adds nothing new. Rather than providing insight it just perpetuates cliches and stereotypes.

[@doingtime20]

I agree with most of what you say, but are you really asking if "is it really an orwellian nightmare"? Literally in the video there is a testimony about a guy that was beaten to death just because his family left the country. Isn't that enough to consider the authorities in that country totally insane?

[@poshbo]

@@doingtime20 in my comment I've already addressed this. How does the defector woman know her son was beaten to death after she left? How was she able to access any information on her family back in the North, especially the details of how he died? And if this really did happen to her son then why does she still want to go back?

[@unhash631]

​@@poshbo Probably some Chinese guy they know, who frequents the North, informed them about this. You should know that a lot of these defectors are usually upper middle income people who run businesses in North Korra and has a decent amount of connections with the Chinese.

[@poshbo]

@@unhash631 This is speculation, the video doesn't mention anything about how to verify the story of her son being beaten to death. But again, even if we assume her son was beaten to death like she said, why then would she want to return? They should have asked her this to make the video more meaningful.

[@unhash631]

@@poshbo While I do agree that the title of this video is too editorialized, what even is the point of you disproving the story of the woman in the story? Why are you so invested in digging too deep on this specific details? If you watched the whole video, it's more about feeling lonely from leaving their family behind and feeling pressured from the societal expectations in South Korea. The point of the video was not place North Korea in a better light but to set the expectations more realistic about moving to South Korea, which is not always sunshine and rainbows as the mainstream media try to show it.

[@EstherFisher-lv6rq]

this is heartbreaking. I emigrated from Europe to Australia, I am so lucky compared to this people. I find a new home ,a real new home country, I don't have homesick but can understand who has. could be terrible.

[@JuJuForREAL]

She just misses her family. Not North Korea.

[@ayatollxh6539]

Keep being in denial.

[@pasofino9583]

The Koreans I’ve met in Mexico make the North Koreans seem charming and agreeable.

[@bornesulinowo391]

We had in Poland the same story with the Russian communism. Many people had to flee from the country and felt not adjusted to modern culture and society of the West.

[@CristieWu]

Are you really comparing these two?

[@Tobi-oi3uf]

@@CristieWu Yes

[@charleshoang566]

I thought Russia and Poland are the same,2 former communist countries.

[@ratulxy]

How old are you?

[@ablorenz]

@@Tobi-oi3uf The Soviet Union cannot be compared to tinpot North Korea, not in any sphere, even in terms of oppression in day to day life.

[@rameshg2717]

Sometimes a simple life is better, than luxurious life..

[@srper2]

To pay smugglers to get your family out and then be told you haven't paid enough, so your 27 year old son has to stay behind and is beaten to death by NK cronies is terrible. These people smugglers are disgusting people.

[@Seevawonderloaf]

It's so sad. It seems they have a ton of trauma but also not having their families, not having that intimate connection with one's blood relatives and immediate family, so tragic. Due to the circumstances surrounding visa issues in the US, I've been away from my home country and extended family for more than 10 yrs and I feel desperately homesick. Add to that trauma, inability to speak to that family, lack of certainty if they will survive, if you can ever seen them (most likely not) and it's really not hard to understand this desperate sadness. I'm not saying I experience even a millionth of what they do but I can empathize with that. Poor ladies

[@Fido-vm9zi]

Better to be able to let go if necessary.

[@mariajason3547]

The people in NK is better for them if they escape to go and live,let's say Thailand or Vietnam,the reality of life is little better and NOT Harsh as SK OR JAPAN .

[@malvinelpinnoy]

True. Living in Seoul of all places is a huge leap from how North Korea is portrayed to be

[@gowrihebbale4303]

yes but we have to consider the fact that most north koreans don't know any other languages other than korean because of which they tend to want to go to sk

[@user-xj5ig9yy2v]

Trust me. South Korea is the best place for them. Would other countries give the same benefit as much as SK govt? especially with their taxes? i don't think so.

[@whitelutik]

It doesn't matter where they live- it'll be the same issues. They're missing their family and remember NK through "rose colored glasses". If they go back they will see it through their new experiences and would not adjust back

[@Fire-Toolz]

why does the title and intro try to say they want to go back when all they're saying is that they miss their families? this is incredibly misleading and unfair to the escapees

[@surendramumgai631]

It's obvious that when they're missing their families they want to reunite with them which can only be done when they return home....

[@SnakeSagacity]

​@@surendramumgai631 Or, bringing their family there instead. Which case is more possible to achieve is debatable but returning there is not the only option.

[@kiaa1229]

"you can only live happily in south korea if you have alot of money, not just a money but ALOT of money" -my own korean friends

[@jonasplima]

Well... Bold reporting, Bloomberg. That definitely will not hit well on the establishment.

[@Dream_more_age_less]

This is all very saddening, my heart goes out to these women 😢

[@JuJuForREAL]

The guilt of leaving their family is probably what suffocates them. They don’t understand and probably can’t connect to the freeness.

[@SmugAmerican]

Reminds me of people who get out of prison and cant adjust to society, and they want to give up their freedom if they can at least be familiar with their environmwnt.

[@hrs795]

"According to Korean Studies scholar Mark A. Peterson of Brigham Young University, Korea has the longest unbroken chain of slavery of any society in history (spanning about 1,500 years)." Read that on Wikipedia. That's explained their attitude. Once they're on the top of the pyramid, they'll treat other bellow them like garbage.

[@loveseoulmarui1502]

It is not true. How shame of your fake info about South Korea!

[@charleshoang566]

You are correct.

[@hrs795]

@loveSeoul Marui i'm not the one who wrote on Wikipedia, dude. Chill.

[@torpedohost]

hes the mormon that wrote that while sleeping with his 12 wives

[@user-cd1tw5ld7x]

개소리를 길게도하고있네 ㅋㅋ 지금 자국민은 외국인보다 훨씬못한생활을하고있습니다 한국에서 외국인들 월5만원받고 3년간 군대갔다오셨어요?ㅋㅋ 안가면 감옥가고 50년간 해외못가고?ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 각종 할당제 혜택은 왜 자국민보다많이받죠? ㅋㅋ 대학교등록금도 훨씬싸고 명문대입학도 그냥보내주고 이런나라가 세상에 어딨죠?ㅋㅋ 당장 미국만해도 다인종국간데 아시아인차별해서 대학 sat점수 고득점받아도 컷하잖아요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@unclescar5616]

This gives a glimpse of how complicated a reunification of the Koreas would be were it to happen. They've been separate for so long that the people, cultures, language and economic systems are worlds apart.

[@Fido-vm9zi]

Depends on why they unifying

[@Fido-vm9zi]

And other things that cause change

[@Jackspaniel1]

Home is always where the heart is. This feeling of return is not uncommon for many immigrants who take residence in another country. Not just a feeling shared amongst North Koreans.

[@kamsunleong6648]

The grass may not always be greener on the other side.

[@supa3ek]

Thats why so many south koreans escape south korea as well

[@BeachGuyDave]

They have to feel so guilty, to leave their family behind. Absolutely heartbreaking.

[@baitboy3191]

yeaaaahhh pretty sure they are going to face a firing squad as soon as the go back in

[@rsybing]

Which says a lot about how the outside world treats them if they still want to go back with that in mind.

[@kngston20]

Misleading title, these folks miss their support network and cultural norms including close relatives and suffering from survivor's guilt. They don't want to go back per say they just want the pain inside of their heart and heads to subside.

[@jdryak]

Thank you for this illuminating, albeit heart-wrenching, documentary. I feel at a loss to know how to help or make a difference for these and other tragic personal stories throughout the World. The words: "Man's inhumanity to Man" cycle around and around in my brain and will not let go of me. It is ubiquitous, and seemingly unending.

[@Kermit_T_Frog]

What is Bloomberg talking about? These defectors don't want to go back to North Korea. They want to be reunited with their families. And they are worried about what is happening to them in their absence.

[@gecceseyri]

"No matter what I eat, I get choked up longing for home." Very sad : (

[@sueprator9314]

She is suffering the death of her son after she left. No mother GETS OVER THAT EVER.

[@DianeOfori]

Thank you for this heart wrenching report. My heart goes out to them. I believe there should be more international support financially to help the defectors of North Korea so they can settle in better. I also pray and hope that one day will be unity of the Koreas