Why Spider-Man DESERVES Organic Webs!

[@infinity_washere]

I feel like the perfect balance is that Peter can produce organic webbing, but can’t control how they come out of his wrists. So, he has to develop web shooters in order to control the output and trajectory of his webbing. there could even be different settings on his web shooters that allow for the web bullets and other wacky stuff he’s able to pull off with his webbing.

[@kvng_jay9358]

This is exactly what I had in mind, it would be the best of both worlds

[@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்]

I still dislike the idea of him relying on the shooters for creating basic a web line, you may as well get rid of the organic webs if he's still 100% reliant on the shooters for everything. Web shooters should only be there for stuff like web bullets, nets, electric webs etc

[@levesteM]

So basically, it would be like Cyclops' visor, but on the hands.

[@Grag235]

@@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் I agree, let him create a webline and shoot basic webs without the web shooters, like Raimi’s Spider-Man and have the web shooters for other modes

[@ILrukiamaxim55]

I feel like Peter should be able to only shoot out straight webs the ones he uses to swinging without Web shooters but with Web shooters he would be able to use all the Web moves he did in the comics, so basically what u said but so that he can shoot straight webs like a spider.

[@marciawilliams2499]

I like the idea of having both organic and inorganic webshooters, for the average crimes he uses his natural organic webs. But have the webshooters placed at the end or over of his spinnerettes. So that if he had to fight somebody like electro, he can fire his organic webs and have the inorganic webshooter would add chemicals and other agents to them. And if a situation like spiderman 2, were to happen the inorganic webshooters will store webfluid derived from his organic webfluids as a back up until his body can replenish its own reserves.

[@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்]

Its kinda weird how so spider-man fans are against organic web for peter parker but are perfectly OK with it on characters like silk, miguel and kaine. I think the best point in this video is the web shooters being broken, it is just super awkard when you have spider-man "running out of webs", then he's just... "Man" lol

[@s.m.g.2391]

I used to see people argue that if Spiderman have to rely on web shooter then the web could ran out and create more tension... But the thing is, organic web can still run out and it would make sense that his body couldn't just produce infinite supply of web fluid so...

[@JustinJulian-00]

True man because for one thing regular web shooters tends to run out way more often if you are stuck in a situation where you have to constantly replace the cartridges while it be in the middle of fighting which that part sucks and for organic webbing he doesn't run out as much as he does for web shooters because after all organic webbing is made from the foods that he eats every day why do you think Spider-Man has all those muscles because all those extra calories are being used to make organic webbing that's why you never see Spider-Man getting fat or at least not as much because if he does his exercise and let his body use those calories for his webbing then he is constantly having plenty of webbing in stalk but you're telling me that you're fine with silk and Spider-Man 2099 having organic webbing but not Peter Parker I mean he deserves it too for one thing where do you get the parts needed to make web shooters why hasn't he established a recipe for how to make web fluid and for one thing people can steal the ideas of how web shooters are made same thing for web fluid because you know doc ock has done that before like modify his web shooters and modified is what fluid to make it even stronger than last time like the only characters who should have artificial webbing are those who can't produce it on their own like that's the only time I would give them web shooters but if you have organic webbing and you can produce it naturally then you don't need web shooters for that if anything they're more of a hindrance to Spider-Man than anything else and he doesn't have to be a scientist that outsmart his opponents like he can still be an inventor but if I were the one who wrote him I would just give him organic webbing anyway over web shooters but he will still have the spider tracers and maybe for the NYPD they should have the spider signal be a thing like you know the one that Batman has let them have them Spider-Man as well so that way when Spider-Man sees it he will definitely be there on time and he doesn't have to be a driver and he can still invent many of those cool suits he always builds so character wise organic webbing makes way more sense and I do hope different media will allow different spider people to have organic webbing as well because after all of their powers also comes from being bit by a spider as well because really they're not all going to be like Peter Parker they're not going to have that type of genius to make web shooters so let them have organic webbing anyway

[@JohnBradford14]

@@s.m.g.2391 Poor Peter has to drink gallons of egg-whites per-day.

[@Ultra_JTB]

I mean the reason Miguel has organic webbing is because he’s designed to be a sort of opposite to Peter. Organic webs, serious, no spider-sense, etc

[@PillsburyDoughboi69]

“Man in spider suit”🤦🏾‍♂️

[@betterlatethannever4529]

I’m definitely on team Organic. But building web shooters to help manipulate his organic webbing would be a nice compromise

[@qualivia]

The problem with him not having organic webbing is that it conflicts with the fact that he is poor. How could a man that can built that tech with limited resources be poor and Stay Poor.

[@jacknite625]

personally, i prefer mechanical webbing. ya in some cases organic webbing can be cool, however i feel like mechanical webbing is much more of a fun idea. i like it when spider man has to create special gadgets and special webbing for different situations. its the same reason why i like ironman, it allows more creativity and imagination then just him having infinite webs. the interesting thing about spider man is how he has powers and still uses technology at the same time.

[@s.m.g.2391]

He could create different kind of gadget, you know. It never has to stop at the web shooter. If Peter is smart enough to invent a chemical formula for web fluid in his spare time, then he could do much more than that. Beside, who create a rule that organic web couldn't run out anyways? It can and should run out. You don't need to rely on artificial web fluid to keep the tension when you can make up all the rule about how spider power work.

[@jacknite625]

@@s.m.g.2391 your point is pretty valid. it is true that he can create other gadgets then web shooters, but i kinda like the verity of web shooters he can have. like the different gadgets in insomniac spider man 1 for example. not only do we get cool stealth like gadgets, but we also got different web types too like the electric ones or thicker ones. if the webs were organic, i don't really see the point in having those different verities if he can create them organically. sure he can fine a way to do so, but i feel like its fine the way it is. i mean tobby maguire ran out of his webs in spiderman 2 so there isn't really a rule stating that organic webs cant run out.

[@JustinJulian-00]

Like organic webbing does run out just not nearly as much as web shooters do because you still got to eat plenty of food to replenish those extra calories that are used to replenish his organic webbing and that's just the benefit of it and let me ask you this if you were spider-man with web shooters and if you're stuck in a situation where you need web cartridges than you are screwed

[@jacknite625]

@@JustinJulian-00just because its over all more usefull then web shooters doesn't mean its better over all. sure it can run out but thats not what makes web shooters interesting to me. i like the technical engineering that goes into it. the thing i like the most is when things that seem impossible to achieve in real life can somehow be replicated. besides, with web shooters, you can create different types of webs like electrisity for example. they present more of a usage then just the standered web. web shooters are just more interesting and actually make spiderman seem more realistic.

[@N2Deep00]

I like the organic webs from Rami Spider-man, but I'm still on the mechanical webs side especially when Peter utilized his intelligence when making them and a variety of different versions. But again, I'm all for finding a middle ground

[@ShermanYeo]

Tbh, i don't mind having Spider-Man having either, or like the comments said down here, the best of both with their pros and cons. I like the organic webbing, makes Peter more a Spider-Man than just Man... In a sense.

[@s.m.g.2391]

You could just have Peter invented web fluid to use as a backup in case that his organic webbing ran out or utilized it in his gadget instead. Or... you know, making a bunch of different gadget that doesn't related to webbing to show how smart and resourceful Peter is. It would still get the best of both world anyways. Seriously, I could never understand how some of the old school spiderman fan could be so narrowmind.

[@JustinJulian-00]

For one thing have you seen all the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies and you never see Spider-Man being put in a situation where he should run out of organic webbing but for one thing how do you think Spider-Man has become muscular when he first got his powers maybe he didn't have muscles back then and then after he got his powers any excess fat that he has is being used to create web fluid because for me that is the best way to burn up calories if you have spider powers and that means you constantly have to eat a lot more food than before since all of your calories are being used to make organic webbing because like if you eat plenty of food ahead of time before using organic weapon then you always got plenty of it with you most of the time like the only time that Tobey Maguire Spider-Man even ran out of webbing is a mental block mainly due to his PTSD of losing his uncle that's a thing that cause him to quit as Spider-Man because he he has the mentally recover like taking a break from being Spider-Man and spending most of your time finishing school getting with your aunt go to the movies and finally being there for MJ because that's the only limitation that he has because they did say that his powers is connected to his willpower so I think by him having PTSD of his Uncle Ben dying he lost the will to be Spider-Man that's what he couldn't climb up the wall or producing organic webbing but as soon as he confronts his PTSD then he can be Spider-Man again constantly having organic webbing on him because organic weapon can passively replenish itself compare to web shooters which constantly needs it's cartridges replaced or if he gets in a fight without any web cartridges replace then he screwed because organic webbing never runs out if anything he runs out even less organic webbing then he does for web shooters because like I said web shooters can be broken they can worn out emp can disrupt them metal detectors can find them and often in most versions of Spider-Man he tends to put web shooters in his bag or keep a long sleeve shirt on to hide them you don't need to do that for organic webbing since they are a part of you metal detectors ain't going to do anything for that and you can conceal your identity way better with organic webbing than web shooters like Spider-Man can still be smart without his web shooters even insomniac Spider-Man has developed web shooters to be a wristband instead of them big bulky cartridges that most versions wear which that's a win-win for insomniac and his web shooters probably have the same technology as spider gwens by taking in the existing moisture within the air itself all of that remaining moisture becomes web fluid that never runs out either and why hasn't Earth 616 Spider-Man came up with this technology yet because if he had built this type of web shooter then he will never run out again as long as there's plenty of moisture any air then his webbing can be unlimited as well and Miles Morales don't need web shooters either he can just use his own bioelectricity to create bioelectric webbing in place of his web shooters

[@JaBr07]

​@@JustinJulian-00 No offense but you should make your comment shorter.

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

Fair

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

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[@thegreatacolyt1277]

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[@cbrock5529]

What if he produces organic webs but they don’t come out properly (they splatter everywhere, can’t use them for swinging) so he makes a “webshooter” that simply makes patterns for the webs (nets, cables, shots, etc).

[@ILrukiamaxim55]

I support both versions but will always lean closer towards bio since as a kid i always tought that it was weird for peter in the comics of needig web shooters since he got 80% of the spider powers but not the most significant spider power, which is why i love raimi movies so much.

[@hattoripool1533]

Just have it so that Peter starts out with web shooters during his teenage years but as he slowly grows up into a adult he starts to develop organic webbing due to his powers slowly growing as he ages

[@pepsiman39]

Imo having him have organic webs makes him kind of op, one of the main appeals is he beats his enemies by outsmarting them with limited resources, including his webbing

[@Cookie_productions4]

11:32 didnt tom Holland spider man make them in science class

[@zombiekillo61704]

I prefer both. Though my OC Jackson Stark is bonded to my OC black and blue Symbiote called Quickstrike and that's how he gets his webs. They're also heroes and protect they're city. Also, no. They don't eat brains. They're like Spider-Man but they will kill aliens

[@MasterTemplar781]

I do love the idea of organic webs. But i'm more of a web shooter guy. I grew up with the Raimi films and this was the first superhero media i ever had seen (at the time) so i just thought that Peter had organic webs. When i read comics and saw the web shooters i did become much more of a web shooters fan. Now this is all my opinion so don't go saying "you're wrong and you suck." One reason that i like web shooters is that it does make him look smart. In comics or in the MCU you can have him look smart in other ways like talking to smart heroes and villains. But when in movies sony tries to create their own spidey they don't have the rights to some of those smart heroes and villains. Which means that they can't show Peter's IQ without web shooters. When people say the sam raimi trilogy did succeed in that i have to disagree. Sure Peter has it's smart moments in the trilogy and Norman, Otto and Connors said he was smart i do agree with that. But they barely show any of that. Plus every other spidey had this same moment. Andrew with Connors. Tom with Tony and Beck. But Tom and Andrew also have those added moments of creating web fluid and or web shooters that just make them look smarter than Toby's. And another reason i like the web shooters is for the sake that it can run out. Sure some people can see this as an excuse to have the villains escape but for me it just adds to the tention and stakes of the battle. It can make the battle more intense because now Peter can no longer web up his enemies. Or when he falls from a high building he can't websling away. Which can make for another moment to show Peter's IQ by having him use his brain to get out of these situations. It makes the battle more intense it shows how smart Peter is. And most of all it actually gives you the feeling that Spidey could lose in that situation. And in my opinion organic webs aren't really unique any more. Toby had them. Kaine has them. Miguel has them. Silk has them. I can go on and on about this but ever since they were introduced they've been overused. Plus in my opinion this also makes the symbiote look powerfull. In comics and spectacular spider-man and more when Peter gains the symbiote he gains organic webs. This makes the moment more impactfull because it actually makes you feel like Peter gained a new ability. It makes you feel like Peter got an upgrade. And it also makes you understand more why Peter could hesitate to give up the symbiote because this means he might never lose webs which means he can save everyone. With Toby it didn't have the same impact because he already had organic webs. And i do like the idea of Toby losing the organic web ability at first. The more i look at it the worse i think it was executed. The way it's explained as it being Toby's emotional state causing this is stupid. As it doesn't make any sense that emotions can have effect on the organic webs. Sure you can say "it's comics it isn't supposed to make sense." true. But while comics do delve into the fictional world they still keep realistic rules in place. Just like with Spider-Man he doesn't have endless webs in the web shooters. Batman doesn't have an endless amount of gadgets. Flash loses a bunch of calories which means he needs to eat alot. Sure superman can fly but this is also because on krypton the gravity was much higher. Just like how on earth gravity is much higher than on the moon which means we can jump very high on the moon. While comics use fictional stuff they still keep scientifically accuracy in there too. Which should mean that emotions don't have effect on the organic webs. God i'm just realizing i'm kinda being mean to my favorite spidey. I think that while organic webs are sometimes fun, web shooters can be used for far better story telling purposes and to keep the reader of viewer more focused on the fight by making it more intense. It makes the symbiote organic webs more impactfull. In other words web shooter > organic webs. But that is completely my opinion. I hope you can respect that opinion. Because i do respect the opinion tht organic webs are better.

[@static_the_one3510]

Didn’t know I’d be represented in the comments but here we are.

[@andrewd5139]

Organic webbing is better. Remember hes supposed to do what a spider can.

[@RVGmetallicasaw]

Web Shooters provide him immense versatility and raw power, Organic provide him reliability for common use. He should use both, but he shouldn't be able to rely on the organic webs for stopping a train or car. Shooters provide Web Bullets, Web Bombs, Taser Webs, so on and so forth. Organic can be comfortably relied upon for swinging around and webbing up some badguys.

[@williamsimmons4498]

This power would also give him a very interesting weakness, any scientist would tell you he his spending resources when he does that. Spiders typically eat their webbing when their done with it, but peter does not do that, so he is expanding resources from his body when he fires off webs. So it's irksome to me when someone calls it unlimited webbing, so peter would have to scarf down a lot of food before he starts his patrols. So if he starts shooting too much webbing without replenishing, his body would starts to breakdown unneeded biomass into webbing which could potentially lethal if he does this too much, akin to when a person is malnourished and their body is eating away at unnecessary mass like muscle.

[@hbcreates8355]

Wow. Such a great video. I always thought Spidey should have Organic webbing but never was able to justify it properly (lost people at why don't they come out of his behind lol) well researched edited and spoken

[@JohnBradford14]

Thank you. I had a lot of fun in making it.

[@Omegasutoraiki]

I could get behind a version of Peter with organic webs. I just think a cool way could be to make his webbing naturally not be so useful without Peter having to manipulate it like a spider would. So instead of trying to manually work the webbing into shape on the fly he makes a spindle that automatically manipulates it for him in a few different ways and all he has to do is change the setting to shoot out the type of webs he wants. Could get some interesting stories early on with him getting used to the use of it on the fly. And later on have the struggle of losing the spindle when something urgent is happening and having to be Spider-Man in the more difficult way.

[@cxssetteman182]

I always thought that Spider-Man had organic web shooters, when I saw Spider-Man 2002 for the first time. But I was 6 years old at the time, and I grew up watching the 90s Spider-Man TAS (where he did use Web Shooters, and it was a big part of the story). Organic webs just made sense to me. However, I realise that both have advantages and limitations. Organic Web Shooters are more reliable and sensible. But Mechanical Web Shooters make for more interesting storytelling and character dynamics. However, Sam Raimi tackled this brilliantly by having Peter’s organic webs suffer “malfunction” as he was struggling too much in his personal life. The depression being linked directly to him losing his powers was a great choice. I think different media requires different things. For film, although there have been great representations by some Spider-Man films, I would still prefer Organic Webs. But for Comics and Video Games, I would prefer Mechanical Web Shooters because they can go larger than life. Biologically, it doesn’t make that much sense how Peter uses so much of his organic webbing. It’s supposed to be an expendable resource. Besides, with Web Shooters, he can also use different types of webbing. Either way, I think the mechanical web shooters are too widespread now.

[@mlt0403]

The idea of him being a "trickster" is more important to his personality than his genius is a little absurd. In fact he's even stated as much, that his quips are more used as a distraction. Being a genius and resourceful is far more profound to his personality than jokes. Sure there are a lot of smart people in marvel, but with characters like Reed, Doom, Lunella, even Tony, is informs you of the characters, all expressed if different ways. You could also easily say that being a tricker is more Deadpool, Iceman or Human Torches thing, it doesn't mean much, more than one character type exist. I think they only reason why the organic webs worked in the raimi movies, other then them saying it made more sense, has more to do with the story they wanted to tell. They didn't want to get to far into the genius character, and more wanted to explore the soap opera that is peter parkers life. The story they wanted to tell worked hand and hand with the more emotional aspect of the character, which I'd argue even in the third film was done EXTREMELY well. But that's one version of the character that works well for that. I think the only reason why you can't have both, like a webshooter to help direct the organic webs is waaaaaay too convoluted. It just makes a lot more sense for him to build it, because it's far less lengthy to explain. I honestly understand where you're coming from, with a world full of mutants and gods, but Peter is a strong character because of his genius, his resourcefulness, and his webshooters.

[@crystalalumina]

Tricksters are the most resourceful kind of people, being a trickster doesn't simply mean doing silly jokes, it means being able to pull out tricks at any moment, which is better than just having him develop some whatever sticky matter that, let's be honest, no matter how genius someone can be, there's no way he can just pull out that without having resources that a teenager's pocket money cannot afford

[@JustinJulian-00]

Spider man being a trickster does make way more sense than being a scientist and like you said spider man being a trickster does line up with him being able to crack plenty of jokes to his opponents to outsmart them and outmaneuver them

[@JohnBradford14]

I hear what you're saying, but my point is that general audience, particularly younger ones, get more enjoyment out of watching Peter outsmarting his opponents rather than just being more intelligent (I dunno if that came out making sense).

[@TheeRefuge]

The biggest reason i'm pro organic webbing is that peter and his rouge gallery has one major theme going between them, that theme being nature vs man made. So pete is this bastion of nature's power, the effect of radiation on a spider's venom injecting his body, which naturally reacted to form super powers. And his good villains* are all self made, they all caused their changes on themselves. Be it robo-tentacles, or a serum that was purpose built to replace an arm. That's all well and good, but it kinda doesn't mean as much when peter *needs* to make web shooters to keep up, his most well known aspect is not something of 'nature' its something man made, invalidating the whole nature vs man made thing. Food for thought

[@diegoyanez1868]

I've always posited that Spiderman should have organic webbing, but that without shooters to augment them, they're limited. Maybe he can only shoot out the web ropes, allowing him to do things like web sling around, or grab and pull things with it. Things like that. But he can't say, shoot out a web net or anything like that. For anything more complicated than his web rope, he requires a webslinger. So he *can* still be weakened when they break, but he isn't completely without them. Plus, you don't need to come up with synthetic webs. It just uses *his* webbing. Not only that, but it makes it so he, you know...had the Spider part of his Spider-Man powers.

[@diegoyanez1868]

Plus I feel like the shooters by themselves are a lot more easy to suspend your disbelief over. Since they're more just giving him different ways to use his webs and not the use of webs as a whole.

[@SPIDERKN1GHT0327]

See, I grew up with the Raimi films. And I always thought his webs were organic, and my mind was blown when I learned that they came from some tools he made called "web shooters." Now me personally, I feel like organic webbing makes the most sense for Spider-Man; as since he got his powers from a spider, shouldn't he have gotten the ability to shoot webs? And before you say "bUt wOuLdNt iT cOmE oUt hIs bUtT?" And NO, because it's a COMIC, there would be no reason for Stan to do that. So, I prefer Organic Webbing because it's more practical.

[@Limitedprodigy002]

I’d agree with you in some form but at the same time, the webshooters are really important to Peter’s character. While yeah, the organic webs are cool, Peter making the webshooters displays his resourcefulness and more importantly his intelligence. Peter canonically has an IQ of a whopping 250 in the mainline comics, 150 in the ultimate timeline and the webshooters are the very first thing that shows us that he can do more than lift cars, punch criminals and throw quips- he has a brilliant mind. Even Reed Richards, the smartest man alive believes that Peter can do whatever he can do if given the proper resources. Peter’s a genius and taking away his webshooters is like taking away the iron man suit from Tony. Edit: this is pre-video thoughts

[@SPIDERKN1GHT0327]

@@Limitedprodigy002yeah true true. And it gives tension to certain situations because he has a limit of webbing

[@JustinJulian-00]

Me too man in Spider-Man doesn't always have to be a scientist to be a genius but you can have him be smart in other areas like you can still outsmart his opponents or getting more knowledge elsewhere but like I said organic weapon does make more sense for Spider-Man as a character to have because they got plenty of advantages over web shooters like nearly limitless don't break like web shooters do better at concealing your identity sends your spirits are easily hidden within your wrist and that means you would see Peter Parker wearing short sleeve shirts way more than long sleeves or putting the web shooters in his bag web shooters can malfunction at the worst time when he needs it epm can disrupt them they can be broken or worn out constantly needs repairs and metal detectors can detect them and when you watch those three Spider-Man movies Spider-Man was never put in a situation where he should run out of webbing like I said it's near a limitless and if you eat plenty of food that is calorically dense have plenty of beneficial vitamins minerals proteins carbohydrates and healthy fats and does you got plenty of strong webbing passively storing itself in his sack from where his spinnerets are so that way you never run out of webbing again unless his wrist gets broken which by then he does have healing Factor after all so having a broken wrist shouldn't be no problem for him

[@cam4748]

Why do people feel the need to fix things that aren’t broken?

[@everything-comics1102]

Word, always saying nonsense, these are the same people wanting raimi spiderman 4 rather than Tom’s Spidey actually spreading his wings

[@JohnBradford14]

I think we should get a new actor. Not because Tom was bad, but I feel like his run had a perfect ending with NWH.

[@lepersonnage371]

Yeah i hate when webs are not organic for any version of spider-man. It's one of the coolest things about him

[@JustinJulian-00]

Me too man it even makes way more sense for Spider-Man to have organic webbing over web shooters because for one thing web shooters can malfunction can be disrupted by epms metal detectors can find them and also in certain situations he will run out of wet fluid if he gets in a fight too soon and thus he has to change his cartridges while fighting here's some advantages of organic webbing nearly unlimited because when you see the Sam raimi Spider-Man movies he never been put to a situation where his wedding should run out because for one thing he does have natural spinnerets at his wrist that allows him to protect webbing out of them he can alter the proteins of the webbing to give him different properties like you know holding a fully grown person holding a helicopter up and maybe give it fire resistance or be able to conduct electricity and they're also better at concealing his identity as well because if you see Peter Parker wearing web shooters then people will put two together and unlike web shooters you just have to eat plenty of food that is rich in proteins carbohydrates and even fats to keep the webbing strong and constantly producing as much as possible because all those stored up calories that you eat everyday becomes what fluid and in your sack of spinnerets and this process is passive like if you just finish eating then you got plenty of webbing to swing with and also they don't break like web shooters do just not in the same way like if you break his wrist then you break the spinnerets that connects to his organic web shooters but since he does have healing Factor and if he does wear a cast then he can recover them a lot faster than you do for web shooters and also it's not money costly to have organic webbing over web shooters because for one thing where does Spider-Man even get the parts he needs to make them and where's the recipe for wet fluid because I feel like some of those parts don't make sense and not every version of Spider-Man has to be a scientist like you know he could have battle smarts or Street smarts in a way well you know still outsmarting his opponents and cracking a joke at him because all you need to do is eat plenty of food because that will help you replenish your organic webbing everyday and like I said it makes way more sense for Spider-Man as a character to have organic webbing because that should be part of his powers after he get bitten by a spider so it would make sense that he should have organic webbing instead

[@mrmelonman2893]

​@@JustinJulian-00their supposed to malfunction, that's why Peter has to use his smarts to adapt without them

[@lassegrotkjr6326]

@@JustinJulian-00actually spider man does have a healing factor, but a small one, so he can still have something like a broken arm while fighting.

[@TheJanooby]

Organic normal webbings for the swinging and the tying up but mechanical ones that can do things like web globs and maybe even make his organic ones beyond super strong for when facing someone hulk level

[@JohnBradford14]

@@TheJanooby This is the way.

[@MichaelJEngelmann]

I like the organic. Tobey was my Spider-Man and it makes sense 😂 bc he literally has other powers of a spider like walking on walls & Spidey sense.

[@jevy2099]

How can organic webbing replicate unique situations like peter handing off his web shooters to other characters for them to use or similar situations like in fake red? When will holes on the wrist shooters look even half as cool as the cool wrist gadget? As much as I dislike the spider-verse comics, peter developing a web shooter to shoot the web of life at the wasp lady was thematically brilliant and ties back to his web shooters. I'm all for organic webbing being tried more often, but I don't think it will ever be the better option.

[@NoName-ym5zj]

It's such a shame they forgot about all the powers he got after the whole "Other" arc. Like night vision would be a major boost to the character as well as organic webs. The stingers were a bit much IMO, but it's something. I am not a big fan of applying too much logic to superhero, but this is one of those things that always made sense to me and I agree 100% with Sam Raimi.

[@JohnBradford14]

I think Kaine should have the stingers.

[@whateverwhatever4476]

@@JohnBradford14he does have them iirc

[@skyblailock7248]

I’m currently writing my own Marvel universe and everyone with spider powers has organic webbing now including Peter and Miles.

[@JohnBradford14]

@@skyblailock7248 Hell yeah 😎

[@skyblailock7248]

@@JohnBradford14 Peter Parker even wakes up in a cocoon on his bedroom hanging from the ceiling corner.

[@reduxreacts]

11:14 😂 they did film with webshooter but they cut them out of the first film and cgi them out if u got the full screen version of the first film he has the web on his wrist in the bed room scene when he is test his webbing they forgot to cgi it out in the full screen version

[@facemaster368]

The only right answer between which is better is that web shooters are the way to go and not organic. That’s how Spider-Man was made and meant to be that’s how he should be. Organic webbing in the comics has always been for alternate versions like Scarlet Spider and not meant for Peter.

[@trinstonmichaels7062]

My first spider man experience was with organic webs and when I learned that he doesn't have it in the comics I thought that was stupid because he's spider man not super man.

[@PachzOfficial]

I think the third point is the best point. The way it was presented in the video is kinda all over the place in my opinion but I get the idea. One of the best things about spiderman, that is a concept that was talked about in into spider verse is the fact that anyone can be Spider-Man. The problem is not everyone can be the true spiderman swinging through the city if you arent a super genius who can develop impossible web shooter technology. The thought of just getting bit by the spider and having all the abilities makes being spiderman more relatable. If i were to become Spider-Man without webbing tomorrow, i would be missing out on one of the coolest abilities he has because i know for damn sure im not smart enough to make a webshooter

[@charlesbomerschein9707]

Honestly, after all he's been through lately in the comics, I'd give him a Symbiote which solves nearly all the problems. But then again, I doubt they wanna draw all the abilities out much less explain them. Call me crazy but Venom should've rebonded with Spider-Man after both of their character growth. Meaning, Venom wouldn't overtake him without consent unless he's in extreme danger and can't do it himself.

[@roasttoast7538]

A combo could work like this. His organic webs are weaker and he can only produce a limited amount so he makes the cartridges to store it up overtime until when needed and infuse it with chemicals to make it stronger while it waits to be used. Or he could produce as much organic webbing as he wants but would suffer from dehydration or similer things or he use it too much.

[@wwalton]

It's meant to show Peter's genius and engenuity, i don't get this debate anyway either or is fine

[@planning9930]

This is why tobey is the strongest spider man without question, organic webbing is op

[@JustinJulian-00]

Yeah man Peter Parker with organic webbing is super op and for one thing why does Miles Morales even need web shooters for one thing they had the same flaws as web shooters do and don't forget he is not the one who invented them Peter did he can manipulate bio electricity to do pretty much anything that he wants like you could create bioelectric around himself that allows him to fly or bioelectric webbing from his own bioelectric signatures because if miles can do that then he don't even need to web shooters either which I think it makes way more sense for him to do so than having web shooters for one thing he is not Peter Parker he miles Morales like if you were to master art or any type of art he should be able to master that with his bioelectricity but he has make bio electric strings before so why doesn't he do that all the time for web swinging instead of having web shooters on him

[@mrmelonman2893]

Yeah OK 😂. Both 1610,616 and insomniac are stronger. In fact t every spiderman in the comics is stronger

[@planning9930]

@@mrmelonman2893 I mean the movie Spider-Mans bruh

[@mrmelonman2893]

@@planning9930 theirs only 3, and tom will surpass him by the end of his second trilogy

[@fynnthefox9078]

I like the idea of Peter's descendants being able to shoot organic webbing. Like they get more powers since they were born with them while Peter gained them later in life. During that time, his genetically enhanced DNA would allow for his kids to do more than he could.

[@JohnBradford14]

Oh wow I totally forgot to bring that up!

[@omens255]

I really like Organic but I feel like if someone takes your Organic webbings and anylize it, they instantly will figure out your secret identity

[@JohnBradford14]

Well, in all fairness, let us not forget "Property of Peter Parker".

[@javierpupo8042]

I always thought a good compromise was that he has organic webbing as an ability but it doesn't come out like a line or anything useful. More like a spatter that's exclusively for binding things to surfaces, like a crook to a wall. This is kinda how Noir spider-man's webbing works. He needs to put this webbing into web shooters to shoot his webs in a way that allows him to swing, shoot projectiles, or make/launch gadgets out of.

[@gavinspace]

i prefer mechanic allowing him to show off his ingenuity and it just looks cooler imo, but organic makes sense for him to have by default, i also like the idea of peter having limited webbing and having to use it wisely or else he runs out and id like to see his belt with web cartridges adapted into live action

[@Mr.Unfair]

I really dont think the weebing matters both interpretations work and neither are really the focus of the story

[@everything-comics1102]

I think the webshooters showcase Peter’s intelligence, it’s something woven into his character and is part of his history. The spider bite should give Peter the information to make his webfluid with specific enzymes. Also organic webs are nasty

[@marciawilliams2499]

i disagree

[@ShermanYeo]

Imagine if one of the villains dare to lick the webs on accident. Xzd

[@everything-comics1102]

@@marciawilliams2499 yeah I understand, but if it ain’t broke don’t fix it

[@marciawilliams2499]

@@everything-comics1102 Agreed but for me, every spiderman story is generic. How do show that Peter is smart, well he built webshooters. It has been overdone to h*ll and back.

[@everything-comics1102]

@@marciawilliams2499 yeah it’s a problem with the fandom, anything done differently is met with criticism that’s why people hated on Tom for being too teched out in the past

[@emeraldjolteon1472]

i thnk that the web shooters were there to stablish that peter has a beeg brain. cuz other than that there's no reason spider-man shouldn't have organic webbimng. like...Miles does have his web shooters but he would probably be screwed if peter didn~t existed before him.

[@JustinJulian-00]

Or miles can create bioelectric webbing and place of his web shooters because if he can master that then he don't need web shooters either

[@darkglass3011]

What made no sense to me is that organic webbing, the trait spiders are most known for, is the ONE Spider ability Peter didnt get, and yet SOMEHOW the Venom symbiote gained this ability after bonding with him. How does that work?

[@MizanQistina]

Web Shooter Spiderman shouldn't waste the ammo by swinging around because 1. it is hard to make, the material is hard to come by and sure costly 2. it could run out when really need it to fight bad guys 3. the device might break or jammed for extensive use It's like a gun, we don't waste bullets because they're not cheap. Depends on quality and other factors the gun might jammed after some shot. So, Web Shooter Spiderman realistically won't be swinging around much and that's boring.

[@DanHeroPhantom]

I agree as it would give a boost and throw in web constructs.

[@AkaniOfficial]

Yeah i know im probably gonna get dirt in my eyes..but im conflicted about the Organic webbing..dont get me wrong i love it and all. But What if they.. y'know..uhh Randomly Not work at times? Webshooters can malfunction easily thats a Fact. But if depending on your mental State in order for your powers to work kinda Sucks. (Tobey Maguire's Spider man being an example). Either way I'm still conflicted.

[@MrEffectfilms]

OMG.... Let's be real here. The only reason this argument even exists is because of the Sam Raimi films and everyone glorifying them due to nostalgia. If those films were the exact same but Peter had mechanical webshooters (which btw was supposed to happen) this argument wouldn't be happening. People like the idea of organic webbing because of the Raimi films, just please be honest about it.

[@JohnBradford14]

Or maybe they're just legitimately good films that improve on the mythos in a multitude of ways.

[@MrEffectfilms]

@@JohnBradford14 Yeah like having Peter be a 1980s stereotype of what everyone thought nerds were like back then instead of the comics and literally EVERY OTHER ADAPTATION that portrays him as yes smart nerdy kid with intelligence far beyond his years bordering on genius level. The Raimi films kept having to remind you that Peter is supposed to be a smart kid because whenever he's being Spiderman that never factors into anything. The one exception is on the train when he gets the idea to use his webs to slow the train down but even that is something someone of sufficient intelligence could have realized anyway. Every other version of him feels like what I as a nerd was like in school as well as my friends. Every other version of him feels like a real person and not a stereotype, every other version feels like Peter Parker. But I get it, nostalgias a hell of a drug.

[@POTTERANDMATRIXFAN]

@@MrEffectfilms Bro is ranting about nothing.

[@MrEffectfilms]

@@POTTERANDMATRIXFAN I see I am surrounded by nostalgic Raimi fans so I guess this is where the rant ends for me. But full disclosure I don't hate those movies, I'm actually pretty nostalgic for them myself seeing as my dad took me to see the first one for my 10th birthday, I was the perfect age to see it. But ever since I've been exposed to much more interesting and relatable versions of the character of Peter Parker that, especially with the fact that every other version is compared to this one, I can't help but look back on with some level of contempt.

[@JohnBradford14]

@@MrEffectfilms Disagree on the 1980's stereotype. He didn'tt wear a bow-tie or pocket protector or attend the chess club or play D&D. Peter was simply shy and soft-spoken and not one to rock the boat but would help an old lady carry groceries even if she was being very demanding. He was a nice guy who finished last; a pushover. Not a stereotype, but an archetype. I would also contend that apart from a tiny amount of pop-culture and the lack of smart-phones, the films are actually very timeless in a way. What a lot of people felt isn't merely nostalgia, but warmth and sentimentality. There are plenty of young people who prefer them even though they may have seen the other films first (similarly to Star Wars or Batman).

[@thespideyman100]

"wetter is better" is crazy

[@JohnBradford14]

I grew up in the 90's. Super Soakers had the best commercials then.

[@Pat12379]

I think itd be cool if he hade web shooters first until he got the symbiote and than from that poiny he allways has organic webs

[@theflash9767]

The discussion about whether Spider-Man should rely on mechanically engineered web-shooters or possess the biological ability to produce webs organically introduces a nuanced layer to his narrative, showcasing his adaptability, resilience, and the multifaceted nature of his identity. Advocates for blending both organic webbing and mechanical web shooters present compelling arguments, highlighting the rich thematic opportunities and deeper character exploration this duality allows. Organic webbing, explored in narratives like "Spider-Man: The Other," symbolizes Peter Parker's deep connection and evolution with his spider abilities, offering an intrinsic superhuman trait that mechanical devices cannot replicate. This biological aspect introduces a unique dimension to his character, rooted in the fantastical elements of the Marvel Universe. Conversely, mechanical web shooters epitomize Peter's scientific ingenuity and problem-solving skills, underscoring his human brilliance. This aspect is vital for portraying Peter as a hero whose power is not solely derived from his superhuman abilities but also from his intellect and creativity. The Venom storyline, particularly involving Eddie Brock, delves into the darker implications of Peter's powers when combined with the symbiote, revealing the potential for a more insidious influence. Analyzing adaptations like "Marvel's Spider-Man 2" against comic book origins (both 616 and Ultimate versions) offers insights into the complex dynamics of the symbiote-host relationship, showcasing a spectrum of interpretations from corruptive influence to intricate host dynamics. A richer, more developed exploration of characters like Venom, especially as depicted in Sam Raimi's films, can be achieved by delving into Eddie Brock's character motivations and the symbiote's backstory. Focusing on the psychological impacts on both Peter and Eddie brings a depth akin to their comic book portrayals, enhancing narrative complexity. Examining superhero narratives' duality, such as Batman's struggle between Bruce Wayne and his alter ego or the Hulk's internal battle, provides further understanding of themes like identity, responsibility, and transformation. These themes resonate deeply within the superhero genre, reflecting the universal challenge of balancing different facets of one's identity, often amplified by superhuman abilities or alter egos. This discourse on Spider-Man's powers and the broader implications within superhero narratives highlights the enduring appeal and complexity of these characters. It invites creators and fans alike to explore these stories with depth, respect, and a keen eye for the psychological and thematic undercurrents that render them timeless. Thank you for initiating this fascinating dialogue. Your insights not only celebrate Spider-Man's legacy but also invite us to ponder the deeper implications of his powers and their portrayal across various media. This conversation serves as a testament to the enduring appeal and complexity of superhero narratives, encouraging a deeper exploration of these characters with curiosity and respect.

[@AnjaRamaroson]

I think I am lost on youtube, but this is so cool to watch!

[@GreazyLeo]

Good thing me Agent Venom has Organic Webbing and Guns

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

The organic webs was a stupid idea that undermines peters intelligence and i feel like people who think he should have organic ether never read the comics or just like the raimi films too much even tho this decision was horrible

[@JohnBradford14]

How does it undermine his intelligence?

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

@@JohnBradford14 cuz that was the whole point to begin with raimi thought it would make peter "too smart" if he made them so not only did he take that away he just straight up dumbed him down and peter making his shooter's is a great moment for him taking that away is just lazy

[@JustinJulian-00]

Did you even watch the video he already showed you multiple times that Peter Parker's web shooters did not make him a genius at all he was already a genius at the beginning and besides that marvel has way too many super geniuses already we want some more trickster type of characters and I liked it more when Spider-Man cracks a joke then always being a scientist while still being clever and resourceful

[@whateverwhatever4476]

@@JustinJulian-00yeah, but being a scientist and wanting to pursue has been a thing since his original run. It's literally in his character. Him being his web shooters showed his ingenuity.

[@stupendoushorrendous8258]

You make good points. I still sorta prefer the aesthetics of the webshooters but I can tolerate organic webs.

[@jollygoodfellow3957]

He should run out of web like people run out of... some... fluids.

[@JohnBradford14]

He should drink pineapple juice so that his webs don't leave a bad taste in people's mouths.

[@bigkirv4950]

ORGANIC PLEASE

[@OmegaSpider6199]

A spider's silk doesn't come out of their butt it comes out of a organ called a spinneret underneath their abdomen.

[@CorbinLeonard-rp4et]

But won't the webbing stay on the building and how is the police apose to remove the webbing from the villain if they don't dissolve

[@thecatplayer9684]

3:55 assassin's creed

[@RikenzuPlays]

Why does everyone assume his web-shooting is a power of his when its been canonically drilled into the heads of anyone who even knows who Spider-Man is at this point, that the web shooters were built by him? I mean, i love the idea of the organic webbing, it fits way better as an actual power than the web-shooters, but as it stands, its usually just not the case. Though the web-shooters often give the excuse to experiment with different kinds of web attacks, ultimately theyre more problematic than not 🤷

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

I went from agreeing with the initial conclusion to vehemently hating the reasoning which comes down to "make the original comic character like the derivative movie version me and the normies prefer." I'll give reasons tomorrow cause it's 3 AM here good night.

[@eyiss7236]

I’ll be waiting

[@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்]

The so called "derivative" movies reinvented Doc Ock and Green goblin into more complex morally grey characters, whereas in the comics they were just "evil guys", sometimes adaptations are superior to what they're adapting and its OK to admit that. Also, Raimi's movies are objectively superior to most modern spider-man comics that seem dead set on making peter's life living hell.

[@ignite5329]

@@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் the movies only took the concepts of the 90's animated show lets be real, and also saying that to the villains when they have years of stories before the raimi movies is just disrespectfull to the people who made them

[@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்]

​@@ignite5329 TAS was an adaptation too, the goblin in the comics was not that interesting and Doc Ock being a tragic character was an invention of the raimi movies, not the comics. I'm not being disrespectful, i'm against this worshipping of comics as if they're perfect holy gospel that the lowly movies can't match.

[@ignite5329]

@@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் the thing is, you're giving credit to the raimi movies for concepts that were established in TAS, Green Goblin was already a good villain in the comics before the raimi movies with stuff like the night gwen died or harry's drug issues or doc ock having panick attacks when seeing spidey

[@calibvr]

i prefer web shooters; in the past i had an affinity for the organic webs but the ingenuity and scarcity provides unique opportunity for the wall crawler i dont summate with the organic webs

[@calibvr]

tbqh, i think adhesion is petes coolest power

[@OmegaSpider6199]

What was that show at 5:30 to 5:34

[@Ivan210bluboi]

Ok then champ, how does he wear gloves then? (If the webbing is organic) Does he poke holes in them? Why can't we see said holes? Plus, you complain about it being impossible for a teenager to craft web shooters; as if getting bitten by a radioactive spider and then getting spider powers is totally normal. Yeah i know it's a comic booky thing, but so are the web shooters, you can't take spider-man logic seriously because the more you try, the more it doesn't make sense

[@inkchariot6147]

Shut up, that's how.

[@JohnBradford14]

"You can get audiences to believe the impossible, but you can't get them to believe the improbable."

[@Ivan210bluboi]

@@JohnBradford14 That makes no sense either way

[@JohnBradford14]

@@Ivan210bluboi Sure it does. Believability and realism are two different things. Something fictional can be impossible in our reality but still make total sense in the fictional world that it exists in.

[@haybyte]

we actually can. Tobey’s suit has a small chrome nozzle on his wrist, where the webs come out. Its a small detail and its easy to miss, but its there

[@ignite5329]

honestly i hated them, even when i grew up witht the raimi movies they were really disgusting to me

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

Love ❤ the organic webbing 😊

[@JustinJulian-00]

Me to ♥️ organic webbing over web shooters

[@duranpearson]

bro good video but no organic webbing is lame doesn't logically make sense if u try think about how a human's body can produce that or why... plus it gross, mechanical webs a cool makes more sense

[@betterlatethannever4529]

Are you actually trying to make that argument? The human body doesn’t have the ability to stick to walls either but we accept it because it’s part of the character, so why can’t the same apply for organic webbing?

[@PastaPatate]

Gibs me dat content

[@Gumshoe08]

Wrong

[@jaredherodps5godofwarragnarok.]

Oh shut up 🤬 insomniac spider man is amazing

[@JohnBradford14]

What makes you think I don't enjoy Insomniac's Spider-Man?

[@mrmelonman2893]

Wrong