Why Spider-Man Hates Punisher

Why Spider-Man Hates Punisher
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[@thatguyzero]

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[@Eddie2Rojas]

Not gonna lie, a bit of a cop out to think a regular grenade can do anything to spider-man when the Green Goblin is constantly chucking explosives at him in their fights.

[@inANUTSHELLANIMATION]

right. but they got to make punisher seem like he stand some chance so they got to have some shit plot armor for him at all times

[@demon-hunter1498]

From the looks of it and if the artist does know what types of nads there are. It looked like a flashbang of sorts so my guess is some kinda cocossoion thingme. Like not ment to kill but ko like a metahuman

[@chancecompton4061]

​@demon-hunter1498 they clearly don't then, cause no flashbang is going to explode like a fragmentation grenade. It's designed to vent gasses and make sounds and lights, not be a sealed chamber that would create any concussive or thermal energy, let alone shrapnel. This is just a case of artists not knowing what they're drawing. Plot armor not withstanding.

[@Scrappy_ill_fold_ya_Doo]

Hob goblin threw bombs at Spider-Man in Civil War and it nearly killed him till Frank came and rescued him. I don't think Peter is resilient enough to tank a grenade. Peter is not even bulletproof.

[@cidlunius1076]

Yeah, Spider-Man can endure a lot of pain, but he has to avoid shrapnel just like everyone else. He's still vulnerable to gases, still vulnerable to extremely loud sounds.

[@Mckadow]

Daily Bugle: Spider-Man Assaults One Eyed War Hero.

[@Scp682-u4j]

😂😂😂

[@w1ndgeneral226]

Spiderman: "This is your daily dose of JJJ crap, today on the "that didn't happen" article..."

[@Gamerghoul19]

More like Spiderman and wanted felon frank castle team up and cause millions of dollars of public damage!

[@DanRyzESPUK]

Also: Spiderman lets escape a maniac murderer with one eye patch.

[@XYZ-eo8um]

This is DEFINITELY something that JJ would put into his newspaper

[@JS-my4jw]

Everyone loves talking about Batman's plot armor. But are we all gonna ignore how the Punisher has got plot armor that is equal to or surpasses Batman's?

[@Youssef06_]

What plot armor bro was getting whooped he just has a lot of heart

[@langbk3]

@@Youssef06_the plot armor being peter not being able to sense and avoid a regular grenade

[@Youssef06_]

@@langbk3 he did sense but he got caught lacking even happens in the movies

[@Eshtian]

Mate, the only thing I know about the Punisher is that he's a bad version of red hood... Ish

[@langbk3]

@@Youssef06_ movies are even less lore accurate lol

[@samnimaruichi6876]

The punisher would have had to modify spidermans web shooters to use them. If i remember correctly, it takes basically super super strength to get them to shoot (at least in older comics might have changed). Either way, great video ^_^b

[@serialdreamer8386]

I would think is more for Spider-man to not use them to chase him.

[@OceansOfMotionStudios]

​@serialdreamer8386 I mean, he can run faster than a car. Taking away one web shooter wouldn't be that much of a deterrent.

[@henrypeters5291]

He needs super strength to swing from Wall to Wall. For just webbing people up, you just need good aim.

[@jameskelly9686]

It takes super strength to swing on them without losing your arm

[@ninjahuh6461]

It actually take super human strength to swing with them.

[@yawsanandreas2237]

Frank lookin like snake or big boss lmao

[@YorgosHimself]

He's starring both Deathstroke's eyepatch and his bloodlust lately

[@kingtai2005]

Nah the writers are at fault for ruining Spider-Man by making him suffer. Like first he was beaten by Iron Man and now he’s beaten by the Punisher, like man this is some bullshit

[@tricky_flix]

@@kingtai2005 This is a Punisher comic specifically, the writers always decide who wins a fight, so you’d expect them to lean more towards the character they’re currently penning.

[@kingtai2005]

@@tricky_flix makes sense, thanks for the info and for speaking facts

[@nicholassgobero]

​@@tricky_flixJust because it's a punisher comic doesn't mean he should always win, else he might beat the hulk through plot armor

[@AdventEdge]

@@nicholassgobero i mean yeah, that's how fictional stories go. you're getting it.

[@williamfalls]

I wouldn't say Punisher "won the fight" here. All he did was escape by basically distraction/disoriention. The fight showcased Spider-Man was outmatching Punisher in every sense, but gave Punisher one too many "chances" so he used that opportunity to escape.

[@ggarzagarcia]

When Peter gets too cocky or talks too much, that’s when Punisher wins. Otherwise, Spidey all the way. And guns won’t help Frank. Edit: thought I had seen this comic already. Spidey dominates the fight but Frank gets away. Frank’s experience is the biggest factor in winning or escaping metahumans and superheroes, such as Spider-Man.

[@otherssingpuree1779]

Peter cannot get cocky, the writers will make sure to keep him down.

[@ggarzagarcia]

@@otherssingpuree1779that’s another way of making Spidey lose: writers

[@A-TRA1N]

​@@otherssingpuree1779 Spiderman needs better writers then haha

[@derautisadrianos7050]

thing is batman smiling might look scary but spidey not talking is pure nightmare fuel

[@MrTwistedLizard]

I agree with all but one thing. Spidey wasn't cocky he was angry, dude could of probably knocked Frank out with one blow but he wanted to "Punish the Punisher" He thought he had to make a point and it ended up giving Frank the time he needed to pull a fast one

[@tylergoodman3560]

Don't think for a second that Spider-Man is a pushover. 🎉

[@CoolVictor2002]

The scariest part that spiderman can do, is that he can split him in half with no effort, he just doesn't.

[@ContagiousSponge]

That would be so out of character for Spider-Man if he did that.

[@CoolVictor2002]

@@ContagiousSponge yes, I said that he would not do it.

[@johnhard7381]

... Spidey senses danger and pulls a potential source of danger closer?... sure, why not?🤦‍♂️

[@reason6991]

Just because you know doesn’t mean you can’t make a mistake

[@deadlydiamond]

He senses danger, doesn't know what that danger is when he does sense it

[@luisvazquez5041]

Spider sense couldn't protect him from punisher's plot armor😅

[@FancyE]

He saw the punisher on the ground in an compromised position and he sensed danger he saves people and didn't want frank getting hurt from whatever was coming and decided to bring him closer to protect him from what ever could have happened

[@vato4917]

Okay but frank got hit by that same blast how tf did he get up after taking an onslaught of beatings from spidey and a grenade, plot armor much

[@frostdevil9028]

Spidy is pulling his punches that’s why

[@vato4917]

@@frostdevil9028 doesn’t matter he’s still getting hit by a superhuman, it literally does not fucking matter

[@MrTwistedLizard]

The issue with having heightened sense. Franks deals with heavy ordnance all the time, probably has a ringing in his ears and everything is muffled

[@ContagiousSponge]

Most likely, he was further away from the blast

[@frisnelleger6023]

The Punisher is obviously outclassed by Spider-Man but the irony is, he wasn't humbled by him, but rather vice-versa.The Punisher got the last laugh considering,the outcome went in his favor.

[@ΣτέργιοςΜποπότας-ζ1μ]

That's the worst thing about the punisher. He always get the last laugh. No matter who's the opponent or what's the situation the writers will always pull some ex machina for him to win or at least get away. Spider man really summarized punishers personality just fine: a lunatic who loves to killed and used his family death as an excuse to keep killing. For him it doesn't matter if what you did, as long it "bad" by his childish standards he'll kill you without a second thought. God, I am so happy that Marvel finally got rid of that ashole. He should have been what he was created for in the first place: an one story Spiderman villain that afterwards will be forgotten

[@Human-wd3nq]

@@ΣτέργιοςΜποπότας-ζ1μ I think characters like Punisher can be used to highlight the strengths of heroes like Spider-Man and Daredevil. They could take the easy way like him, but they don't, because what's right isn't always what's easy.

[@ΣτέργιοςΜποπότας-ζ1μ]

@@Human-wd3nq yea, i totaly agree with you. Characters like Punisher should only be portayed as villains and not get glorify by the writers. Especialy if they are Vietnam veterans like Punisher, who commited they same atrocities with the crime bosses he kills (check Michael Angel Vales the cousin of Richard Ramirez and the one to inspire him to become the pentagram killer) thus making a hypocrite. I may really preffer anti-heros and grey characters, but Punisher is not one of them. He is more of an anti-villain and his writers and fans are usually edgelords that mentally are still in their teen years (best excamlpe Garth Ennis, that guy is a psycho)

[@Human-wd3nq]

@@ΣτέργιοςΜποπότας-ζ1μ I think back before Garth Ennis took the reins Punisher was a much more interesting character. His pre-Ennis origin was that he originally tried to bring the mobsters who killed his family to justice through legal means, except the cops were ineffective and corrupt, which shattered his faith in the justice system. Then the Punisher MAX comics came along, and made a tragic and sympathetic anti-hero a complete monster with zero redeemable qualities, who always wanted to kill people since childhood. The one thing I think modern Marvel has done right is change the war he served in to a generic military conflict instead of Vietnam, because of the unfortunate implications surrounding it.

[@jamesmccallum-lc3nv]

I think the punisher was humbled more cause he didn’t exactly win, he had to resort to cheap tactics and plot armour so he could run away, plus when he punched spider man in the jaw just for no effect. It doesn’t get much more humbling than that

[@kellyevans3254]

People always compare Batman with Spider-Man but punisher would be a much better match for Batman.

[@WannabeWryter]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6GqgJKmaLpnkNUsi=5UCVArmKaC-IL1Qg They've met

[@DCis1]

Maybe at the very beginning of Batman's conception because Batman used guns and killed and smoked when he debuted. He hung a man from a helicopter 🚁 and watched him die. A goon was sticking his head out the window and Batman kicked him in the back of the head breaking his neck and watched him fall out the windows. Batman shot a man in cold blood killing him. That was Batman when he was first created. So you're right if comparing to the original concept. 😅

[@kellyevans3254]

@@DCis1 I didn’t know that. I was referring to how neither of them have super powers and both of them take the law into their own hands. I think the conflict would work naturally because of series like the red hood. Punisher would start killing Batman’s villains and Batman would fight punisher to try to stop him from murdering them.

[@MrUn50]

@@kellyevans3254 And they both too stubborn to give up

[@TheBaguetteSpy]

Ah yes, plot convinience to make the spidey sense disappear.

[@ContagiousSponge]

His spider sense didn't disappear. We literally see it activating before Frank threw the grenade.

[@blairbrown4812]

3:08 The precise moment you realize that Spider-Man is One Heartbeat Away from needing his black costume

[@cidlunius1076]

5:41 Peter showcasing that the black suit may be gone, but the Venom never really leaves.

[@W-West5555]

Remember spider man was holding back

[@purkle200]

Typical Frank Castle plot armor 🙄 This guy apparently was immune to the infamous penance stare.

[@WannabeWryter]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6esd5t-gZecqrcsi=qTBPQq_ytYWEG8Ff Yeah,

[@DreSkiiiii_007]

He doesn’t kill the innocent

[@purkle200]

@@DreSkiiiii_007 Doesn't stop penance stare regardless if the lives he's taken weren't innocent. It's just plot armor like Captain Marvel surving it somehow.

[@Sokolvanna]

Mf have Batman plot armor

[@Adorni]

@@purkle200 The Penance Stare only affects those who have killed innocents, and harbor some degree of remorse for their actions. Frank doesn’t kill innocents, and he has absolutely zero remorse for the murders he commits. The Penance Stare absolutely should not work on him.

[@louisduarte8763]

"That's it! I'm telling the Avengers on you!" No really, he did that did at the end of this issue. When Spider-Man stops making jokes, you know he's pissed off, and you should be screwed. I applaud his restraint here, knowing he could have punched Frank's head right off at any time.

[@cal5000]

"Bro, I'm as strong as Ghost Rider. You know you messed up right?"

[@canalescapebrasil]

Spider-man misunderstoods the Punisher as the Daily Bugle "misunderstoods" Spider-man.

[@ron633]

"I brought you into this world, I can take you out of it!" - Spiderman

[@tricky_flix]

I feel like “The Punisher humbles Spider-Man” would be a more apt title considering the end to this video

[@Sommion]

Agreed

[@leonardopossidente6551]

This is why i hate the punisher, he's the type of edgy ass character a middle schooler would come up with, and for some unknown reason he actually wins in situations where he absolutely shouldn't, like spidey absolutely annihilated him here, but for some reason the grenade completely took him down, while the guy that was grovelling on the ground is now completely fine? Bullshit lol

[@bwaafdelta3-484]

​@@leonardopossidente6551spiderman kinda lame ngl

[@captainb.mccrea5480]

@@bwaafdelta3-484edgy ass bruh 💀

[@jackalsmalls4995]

@@leonardopossidente6551 you forgot your soy.

[@joeschmoe9412]

lol if all it took to shlump spidey was a grenade, he'd be in the dirt waaay early. pretty sure he's taken multiple green goblin grenades to the body and dome and shrugged it off. Actually im pretty sure he's stayed conscious for punches worse than multiple grenades. I wouldnt even expect that kind of poor performance from a 60 yr old spidey.

[@ContagiousSponge]

It's still a grenade. Explosions that big hurt a lot.

[@strivingacres8105]

Total and complete BS. Frank's plot armor is ridiculous. Apparently, Frank and one grenade cand do what the Green Goblin and Hobgoblin and every other super villain out there could never do. Spiderman can beat a herald of Galactus, but Punisher can somehow take him one on one face to face. Marvel's writers truly suck at their jobs.

[@aiheki]

Spiderman can react to bullets but cant react to a regular man throwing a grenade, AFTER being alerted of danger... Sure.

[@ContagiousSponge]

Did you see the size of thag explosion? He was gonna get hit regardless how fast he moves.

[@veonardosupreme6992]

It's called a secret attack.

[@stormshot119]

Comic book Title: Punisher Warzone

[@Saferoom45]

Thank you.

[@44excalibur]

One thing I could never figure out reading comics when I was growing up was why a guy like Peter Parker whose strength level was in the 10-20 ton range always let The Punisher hang around as long as he did every time they faced each other.

[@Adorni]

Because Peter doesn’t kill people or even try to seriously hurt them, most of the time. He also sympathizes with Frank, to a degree, and wants him to stop and get himself fixed. Frank, meanwhile, doesn’t tend to go after guys like Daredevil or Spider-Man unless they interfere with his work. And even then, he views them less as threats and more as a distraction, keeping away from his actual targets. Nevertheless, he’s still dangerous enough with his weapon proficiency that Peter - who is very vulnerable to bullets, knives, and explosives - can’t just treat him like he’s some two-bit thug.

[@44excalibur]

@@Adorni Still, Peter should be able to incapacitate Frank with one punch.

[@Adorni]

@@44excalibur If he really _wanted_ to? Sure, absolutely. Frank's resilient in his own right, but Peter can pick cars up over his head with ease. The official Marvel power scale has him at 50 tons at his absolute limit, whereas an average car is about 2 tons. This should kind of give you an idea of just how easily Peter _could_ take Punisher out if he wanted to. This is further demonstrated a few times in the comics where he knocked someone out just by flicking them in the face, and - when fighting Punisher in fact - crashed through a *_stone chimney_* and didn't seem phased in the slightest. The only reason he doesn't, aside from writing and suspension of disbelief, is that he's so worried about accidentally punching a criminal's head off when he hits them that he tries to tap them with as minimal force as possible. This is a bit... much to swallow, when taking the amounts of kicks and fists he'll throw around in the heat of the moment, but perhaps Peter's precision muscle control are on a level closer to Superman's?

[@Splatific]

Plot armor

[@obamabinladen1824]

“If he stopped holding b-“ He won’t. He never will. May Parker wouldn’t even look at him.

[@ChadwickLindsay-x9p]

Punisher winning this doesn't make sense.

[@snbforever]

How can Frank hear anything with all that tinnitus?

[@maksymilianziele28]

Times like this I wonder how Spidey would handle the worst of maniacs Punisher had dealt with over the years like in Punisher MAX. Spidey does not need to like Punisher and his methods, but he cannot deny Punisher thinking crossing his mind when he sees the worst of humanity can offer.

[@chasestanley2906]

Spider sense: Works whenever and however the writers want it to

[@Luke-ky5ed]

What comic?

[@Arakn1dz]

How does a literal superhuman lose to a regular human?

[@louisduarte8763]

This was a Punisher story, that's how.

[@nobodyknowsforsure]

Look my whole problem with this given the understanding of Frank, there is NO REASON why Spiderman would not completely web him up so that he can't try something. It's just super negligent. I would have rather him get webbed up and then he tell Spiderman before he webbed him up he pressed a trigger for a remote bomb at X location and he has 3 minutes to stop it, forcing Spider-man to retreat. He then uses a heat knife from his back pocket to cut free and escape. You don't sh!t on Spider-man or Punisher and both make sense to the story.

[@PandamoniumBruu]

Punisher saying "I don't wanna hurt you" after shooting him is lame writing

[@CorvinusRahl]

He's smarter than Frank too.

[@therussiancomicbookgeek]

This run was great

[@thegearsparten]

wtf is this crap punisher beats Spider-Man ? okay writers sure 😂

[@nooneinparticular5273]

A lot of people who I guess don't fully understand how spider sense works in these comments. All it is is a vague "DANGER" warning. Doesn't tell him what the threat is, or who it is even. Coupled with his vastly increased reaction speed, it makes Spider-Man very hard to hit in a fight. Virtually impossible head on. But for something tricky like surprising him with a flashbang, at a point where Spider-Man had figured he had Frank subdued and beaten so he dropped his guard? That's not plot armor, that's Frank's cleverness in a fight saving him and creating an opportunity for him to flee a fight he is otherwise entirely outclassed. Peter called Frank not knowing when to quit a weakness of Frank's but it's what saved him. As long as he's still breathing, he'll try to find a way to gst the upper hand in a fight. If Spider-Man had tried to end the fight, je could've. But dragging it out gave Frank time.

[@reason6991]

Idk what’s worse being embarrassed by Spider-Man or by Goku

[@wonton9891]

In all honesty, Spider-Man totally deserved it at the end

[@TokerJoker420]

Yeah i highly doubt his punches didn't hurt Spiderman. Spiderman was hurt i dont care what the comics say

[@nicholassgobero]

Because a normal punch is gonna Hurt the guy who fights rhino on the regular, sure

[@TokerJoker420]

@@nicholassgobero yep Spidermans not immune its not like if a regular person punched batman nothing would happen Spiderman likely was hurt still he just recovers alot sooner

[@nicholassgobero]

@@TokerJoker420 one of his powers is literally increased durability and we see him brush of Frank's punches and tank a point Blank explosion and get up not a minute later in this very comic, dude, stop glazing

[@nicholassgobero]

@@TokerJoker420 and if you're not gonna believe what is shown to you on the panel, let's Just agree that the comic ended with Frank in jail begging forgiveness after being humbled by spider-man

[@TokerJoker420]

@@nicholassgobero we need more DC and Marvel cross overs i want to see batman and Spiderman work together in a animated film and stuff

[@DEarls-ye9tz]

This is some comic book bullshit. Very cowardly to write Peter Parker getting outsmarted by Dead-Wife-Man with a grenade.

[@3ftninja132]

I legit hate the Punisher. He's just a murderous POS with zero redeeming qualities, and Marvel has the gall to call him a hero. He's like Batman, but at least he doesn't groom literal children into fighting the mentally ill.

[@EldenLord-wh4ov]

Your description of batman makes me think you're the type of person to say Bruce takes advantage of the poor to beat them up with his 5 million super suit

[@tricky_flix]

Your pfp is Atreus, the son of a man who literally went on a murderous rampage after the death of his family. Admittedly, Atreus would be Kratos’ one redeeming quality, but Kratos himself is not so dissimilar a character than the Punisher. You’d think someone sporting an Atreus pfp would have more media literacy on this specific context.

[@Thunderworgen]

The Punisher ain't a hero, he is a anti-hero meaning he does the right thing but with the wrong methods (the methods in this case killing criminals). How can you hate him when like 90% op the people of this earth would want to do the same after their family gets killed by someone (unless you killed them yourself or have a very bad relationship with them).

[@MikeCoxlongg]

You sound like a moron 😂😂

[@jayyy1677]

You don’t know anything about the punisher to say this😂 and no one calls him a hero, most characters are disgusted by him

[@sanguinumlacrimisofangeli3076]

God this comic sucks

[@stevenbilodeau6697]

Frank Castle, now a wanted man.... Dude Frank Castle is ALWAYS a wanted man. Everyone wants a piece of him, either to killer him or hire him.