Why Spider-Man Hates Punisher

[@thatguyzero]

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[@Mckadow]

Daily Bugle: Spider-Man Assaults One Eyed War Hero.

[@Scp682-u4j]

😂😂😂

[@w1ndgeneral226]

Spiderman: "This is your daily dose of JJJ crap, today on the "that didn't happen" article..."

[@DanRyzESPUK]

Also: Spiderman lets escape a maniac murderer with one eye patch.

[@XYZ-eo8um]

This is DEFINITELY something that JJ would put into his newspaper

[@БогданКрименюк]

Spider-Man attacks Big Boss

[@Eddie2Rojas]

Not gonna lie, a bit of a cop out to think a regular grenade can do anything to spider-man when the Green Goblin is constantly chucking explosives at him in their fights.

[@inANUTSHELLANIMATION]

right. but they got to make punisher seem like he stand some chance so they got to have some shit plot armor for him at all times

[@demon-hunter1498]

From the looks of it and if the artist does know what types of nads there are. It looked like a flashbang of sorts so my guess is some kinda cocossoion thingme. Like not ment to kill but ko like a metahuman

[@chancecompton4061]

​@demon-hunter1498 they clearly don't then, cause no flashbang is going to explode like a fragmentation grenade. It's designed to vent gasses and make sounds and lights, not be a sealed chamber that would create any concussive or thermal energy, let alone shrapnel. This is just a case of artists not knowing what they're drawing. Plot armor not withstanding.

[@Scrappy_ill_fold_ya_Doo]

Hob goblin threw bombs at Spider-Man in Civil War and it nearly killed him till Frank came and rescued him. I don't think Peter is resilient enough to tank a grenade. Peter is not even bulletproof.

[@cidlunius1076]

Yeah, Spider-Man can endure a lot of pain, but he has to avoid shrapnel just like everyone else. He's still vulnerable to gases, still vulnerable to extremely loud sounds.

[@JS-my4jw]

Everyone loves talking about Batman's plot armor. But are we all gonna ignore how the Punisher has got plot armor that is equal to or surpasses Batman's?

[@Youssef06_]

What plot armor bro was getting whooped he just has a lot of heart

[@langbk3]

@@Youssef06_the plot armor being peter not being able to sense and avoid a regular grenade

[@Youssef06_]

@@langbk3 he did sense but he got caught lacking even happens in the movies

[@Eshtian]

Mate, the only thing I know about the Punisher is that he's a bad version of red hood... Ish

[@langbk3]

@@Youssef06_ movies are even less lore accurate lol

[@samnimaruichi6876]

The punisher would have had to modify spidermans web shooters to use them. If i remember correctly, it takes basically super super strength to get them to shoot (at least in older comics might have changed). Either way, great video ^_^b

[@serialdreamer8386]

I would think is more for Spider-man to not use them to chase him.

[@OceansOfMotionStudios]

​@serialdreamer8386 I mean, he can run faster than a car. Taking away one web shooter wouldn't be that much of a deterrent.

[@henrypeters5291]

He needs super strength to swing from Wall to Wall. For just webbing people up, you just need good aim.

[@jameskelly9686]

It takes super strength to swing on them without losing your arm

[@ninjahuh6461]

It actually take super human strength to swing with them.

[@yawsanandreas2237]

Frank lookin like snake or big boss lmao

[@YorgosHimself]

He's starring both Deathstroke's eyepatch and his bloodlust lately

[@paulakroy2635]

Well I mean they Ripped off Nick Fury so…

[@Acuraintegraman1]

Punisher got killed by wolverines son and sliced into pieces.

[@Necfreon]

@@Acuraintegraman1how fitting I guess just depends on how much of a loose cannon he is compared to his father I guess

[@A_Commenting_Pog_Face]

Frank: We gotta stop the Metal Gear! Peter: Uh... What..?

[@galaxycamerata]

The Punisher is the funniest marvel character to me because he's a one-man war on the concept of a shared universe. He's perfectly fine on his own, but the instant his story cross-pollenates, the risk of the writers forgetting he isn't a superhero skyrockets

[@paulakroy2635]

I mean unironically that’s why I feel like Ennis made the right decession with Max and taking the Punisher out of 616. Other marvel heroes are usually idealist and Frank cynicism only works when he’s in his universe. Otherwise it serves to make the heroes look dumb or make Frank a jobber

[@theoutlawking9123]

Frank could take out MOST of marvel cause you people don't seem to realize that having powers don't automatically make you unstoppable, especially an idiot like Spider-man who plays too much. Most of the people he fights either don't use guns or are hoodlums and store thief who can't shoot. Totally different when facing a War Veteran who knows how to shoot and has been killing since before Peter was even born.

[@provictus284]

@@theoutlawking9123 being a war veteran dosent make you a goddamn terminantor dude, really if the entire fantastic four at once he would be mincemeat he only stands ups in fights usually on his terms. its more his intellect than his innate killing ability

[@theoutlawking9123]

@provictus284 Of course it doesn't make you a Terminator, Terminators aren't real. But it certainly give you more battle/combat sense than some guy who cracks jokes every 5 seconds. There's a reason most characters in the marvel universe hates Spider-man, they can all see what an idiot he is.

[@SimSim-ej5qx]

@@theoutlawking9123 A guy with super powers versus a guy with guns... I mean for a guy who thought a "War Veteran" can take gods, I thought you woud like Spider man, because everything you say is a joke. Everyone can see you for the idiot you are, cause people like you are too far their ass to realize how stupid they sound.

[@VinceMouse]

"I know when to quit." He lied as naturally as he breathed.

[@CoolVictor2002]

The scariest part that spiderman can do, is that he can split him in half with no effort, he just doesn't.

[@ContagiousSponge]

That would be so out of character for Spider-Man if he did that.

[@CoolVictor2002]

@@ContagiousSponge yes, I said that he would not do it.

[@estrelaplatinada6506]

​@@CoolVictor2002no you dont. You said he did not, NOT because its out of character.

[@CoolVictor2002]

@@estrelaplatinada6506 "he just doesn't" isn't this sufficient enough to tell people that it would be out of character for spiderman to commit murder?

[@JohnSmith-lo6bg]

@@CoolVictor2002 Spiderman holding back is who he is, its a part of his personality, so to say if spiderman wasnt holding back he would have won the fight is like saying if spiderman wasnt spiderman he would have won. Spiderman's decision not to go all out is on him, and if he gets killed due to that, then he's to blame. In my opinion though, unless youre a character like Superman who can overpower his foes and take no damage 95% of the time, the decision not to kill or hold back for street tier characters like spiderman, especially against lethal characters like wolverine or punisher who will kill if necessary, is a foolish endeavor to say the least.

[@gregviews]

If u didn't know the punisher debuted trying to kill spidey bc he thought he was a killer... im prettt sure that's why they always kinda hated each other

[@jimvenanzio6561]

They had a situation like that in the WAYBACK old days when they showed Punisher could punch a chunk of concrete out of the corner of a building. It was never explained why that building had concrete that was so easily crumbled like that.

[@strivingacres8105]

Total and complete BS. Frank's plot armor is ridiculous. Apparently, Frank and one grenade cand do what the Green Goblin and Hobgoblin and every other super villain out there could never do. Spiderman can beat a herald of Galactus, but Punisher can somehow take him one on one face to face. Marvel's writers truly suck at their jobs.

[@binglebop5877]

You know who wins the fight in a super hero fight? Who ever the writer wants to win

[@dreamtiya8149]

​@@binglebop5877 what does it mean people are going to like it or that it makes sense

[@drippyog3935]

Cry more spider man is a cuckold L like you

[@WolfedOut]

Typical Spidey fans can't handle the fact that Spidey is wall-level fodder. Doc Ock punching Scorpion's jaw off is him not holding back lmao, barely a wall-level feat.

[@Mr_Triscuit]

​@@WolfedOut 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Wall level fodder? Bro I'm not even that much into spider man and I can acknowledge that calling him building level would be a full on insult seeing as how he's gone toe to toe with the Hulk. Frank just got a bit lucky was all.

[@vato4917]

Okay but frank got hit by that same blast how tf did he get up after taking an onslaught of beatings from spidey and a grenade, plot armor much

[@frostdevil9028]

Spidy is pulling his punches that’s why

[@vato4917]

@@frostdevil9028 doesn’t matter he’s still getting hit by a superhuman, it literally does not fucking matter

[@MrTwistedLizard]

The issue with having heightened sense. Franks deals with heavy ordnance all the time, probably has a ringing in his ears and everything is muffled

[@ContagiousSponge]

Most likely, he was further away from the blast

[@wjzav1971]

@@MrTwistedLizard And Spider-Man isn't? Pretty sure goons use guns and bombs against him all the time. Heck, Green Goblin does nothing but throw modified grenades at him.

[@louisduarte8763]

"That's it! I'm telling the Avengers on you!" No really, he did that did at the end of this issue. When Spider-Man stops making jokes, you know he's pissed off, and you should be screwed. I applaud his restraint here, knowing he could have punched Frank's head right off at any time.

[@kingtai2005]

Nah the writers are at fault for ruining Spider-Man by making him suffer. Like first he was beaten by Iron Man and now he’s beaten by the Punisher, like man this is some bullshit

[@tricky_flix]

@@kingtai2005 This is a Punisher comic specifically, the writers always decide who wins a fight, so you’d expect them to lean more towards the character they’re currently penning.

[@kingtai2005]

@@tricky_flix makes sense, thanks for the info and for speaking facts

[@nicholassgobero]

​@@tricky_flixJust because it's a punisher comic doesn't mean he should always win, else he might beat the hulk through plot armor

[@AdventEdge]

@@nicholassgobero i mean yeah, that's how fictional stories go. you're getting it.

[@williamfalls]

I wouldn't say Punisher "won the fight" here. All he did was escape by basically distraction/disoriention. The fight showcased Spider-Man was outmatching Punisher in every sense, but gave Punisher one too many "chances" so he used that opportunity to escape.

[@ggarzagarcia]

When Peter gets too cocky or talks too much, that’s when Punisher wins. Otherwise, Spidey all the way. And guns won’t help Frank. Edit: thought I had seen this comic already. Spidey dominates the fight but Frank gets away. Frank’s experience is the biggest factor in winning or escaping metahumans and superheroes, such as Spider-Man.

[@otherssingpuree1779]

Peter cannot get cocky, the writers will make sure to keep him down.

[@ggarzagarcia]

@@otherssingpuree1779that’s another way of making Spidey lose: writers

[@A-TRA1N]

​@@otherssingpuree1779 Spiderman needs better writers then haha

[@derautisadrianos7050]

thing is batman smiling might look scary but spidey not talking is pure nightmare fuel

[@MrTwistedLizard]

I agree with all but one thing. Spidey wasn't cocky he was angry, dude could of probably knocked Frank out with one blow but he wanted to "Punish the Punisher" He thought he had to make a point and it ended up giving Frank the time he needed to pull a fast one

[@blairbrown4812]

3:08 The precise moment you realize that Spider-Man is One Heartbeat Away from needing his black costume

[@cal5000]

"Bro, I'm as strong as Ghost Rider. You know you messed up right?"

[@aiheki]

Spiderman can react to bullets but cant react to a regular man throwing a grenade, AFTER being alerted of danger... Sure.

[@ContagiousSponge]

Did you see the size of thag explosion? He was gonna get hit regardless how fast he moves.

[@schorltourmaline4521]

@@ContagiousSponge The issue is that Spiderman being alerted to the danger is what caused him to get hit. Frank's not stupid, he understand how Spiderman works, and the grenade was a gambit. He activated it, knowing it was powerful enough to take himself out. Spiderman's senses kicked in saying Frank (and himself probably) were in danger, prompting Spidey to save Frank, bringing him closer so he could toss the grenade and give spidey enough time to barely avoid being caught in the blast. Now you want to talk BS encounters, read what happens when Bullseye goes against Frank, and basically outsmarts him at every turn when his only "power" is that he has perfect aim.

[@TheGotreck]

​@@schorltourmaline4521 It's still bullshit. Spider-Man dodges bullets. Do you know the difference in speed between a grenade throw and a bullet? To put it into perspective, do you think it's reasonable to say that Frank could hit a lightning strike with a grenade before it reached the ground? Because that's basically what he did. Spider-Man has dodged electric attacks from Electro multiple times. Essentially, Spider-Man is fast enough to perceive and dodge literal lightning strikes. Hitting lightning mid-air would be easier than hitting him.

[@lytebluestudios]

This regular man was introduced as being able to shoot Spiderman without much issue so yes it adds up

[@tylergoodman3560]

Don't think for a second that Spider-Man is a pushover. 🎉

[@feodrich]

Spider man gets angry at punisher for killing criminals and being a deranged psychopath LITERALLY HANGS OUT WITH BOTH DEADPOOL AND CABLE, like, ALL THE TIME if it isn't the pot calling the kettle black.

[@albertmilton9424]

They don't hang out all the time and unlike Frank, Cable and Deadpool evolve. Frank is never going to change.

[@NeoSzaman21]

@@albertmilton9424 Perfection dosen't need to change

[@cidlunius1076]

5:41 Peter showcasing that the black suit may be gone, but the Venom never really leaves.

[@bigbrohybrid]

"Once you go black..."

[@justiceeiro]

People in this comment section seems to forget that Frank Castle respects heroes, even if its not reciprocated. Yes, he fights them but doesn’t intend to kill them so saying plot armor is what saved the Punisher is wild. He clearly just threw a flashbang. Any superhero with the same abilities of spiderman wouldn’t even have the time to react cause of the radius. Sadly, people like I said don’t understand how military equipment works so they just jump to the train of nonsense hate. Dude, the same guy who just flashbanged him also saved him from two villains who were about to fry him in civil war. If he wanted to kill spiderman, he would have but writers don’t want to do that because he has a moral code, which some ignorant idiots seem to forget.

[@ron633]

"I brought you into this world, I can take you out of it!" - Spiderman

[@marciawilliams2499]

Punisher is very important part of the ecosystem. He is the ultimate "or else" of marvel.

[@44excalibur]

One thing I could never figure out reading comics when I was growing up was why a guy like Peter Parker whose strength level was in the 10-20 ton range always let The Punisher hang around as long as he did every time they faced each other.

[@Adorni]

Because Peter doesn’t kill people or even try to seriously hurt them, most of the time. He also sympathizes with Frank, to a degree, and wants him to stop and get himself fixed. Frank, meanwhile, doesn’t tend to go after guys like Daredevil or Spider-Man unless they interfere with his work. And even then, he views them less as threats and more as a distraction, keeping away from his actual targets. Nevertheless, he’s still dangerous enough with his weapon proficiency that Peter - who is very vulnerable to bullets, knives, and explosives - can’t just treat him like he’s some two-bit thug.

[@44excalibur]

@@Adorni Still, Peter should be able to incapacitate Frank with one punch.

[@Adorni]

@@44excalibur If he really _wanted_ to? Sure, absolutely. Frank's resilient in his own right, but Peter can pick cars up over his head with ease. The official Marvel power scale has him at 50 tons at his absolute limit, whereas an average car is about 2 tons. This should kind of give you an idea of just how easily Peter _could_ take Punisher out if he wanted to. This is further demonstrated a few times in the comics where he knocked someone out just by flicking them in the face, and - when fighting Punisher in fact - crashed through a *_stone chimney_* and didn't seem phased in the slightest. The only reason he doesn't, aside from writing and suspension of disbelief, is that he's so worried about accidentally punching a criminal's head off when he hits them that he tries to tap them with as minimal force as possible. This is a bit... much to swallow, when taking the amounts of kicks and fists he'll throw around in the heat of the moment, but perhaps Peter's precision muscle control are on a level closer to Superman's?

[@Ze_N00B]

*Frank is beaten relentlessly to a pulp in the first seconds of the fight and only manages to escape by distracting Spiderman with a grenade* "SpIdEy IsN't SuPpOsEd To Be A pUsHoVeR!"

[@thedeadmeme7877]

fr, spidey tanking two massive hooks to the jaw, staring him straight in the eye and saying "it'll take more than you've got" goes HARD. That shit was cold and scary as fuck.

[@W-West5555]

Remember spider man was holding back

[@TCHiper95]

The comment that I was looking for.

[@W-West5555]

@ it has to be said lol

[@SamuraiBebop713]

Punisher, X-Men... you know, I think I found the real reason besides editorial why Spider-Man is so disliked within the Marvel universe. It's because he's the only one willing to call the other heroes out.

[@contron21a82]

I'm so over the writers hating Spider-Man.

[@srgzachattack1594]

0:36 guessing this was before 2001

[@silverblade357]

"Cheater." -The superhuman who was just glorifying his staggering advantages over the mere mortal.

[@kingingrey1882]

Fr, right after all that moral grandstanding plus he’s friends with a literal merc like Deadpool

[@kellyevans3254]

People always compare Batman with Spider-Man but punisher would be a much better match for Batman.

[@WannabeWryter]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6GqgJKmaLpnkNUsi=5UCVArmKaC-IL1Qg They've met

[@DCis1]

Maybe at the very beginning of Batman's conception because Batman used guns and killed and smoked when he debuted. He hung a man from a helicopter 🚁 and watched him die. A goon was sticking his head out the window and Batman kicked him in the back of the head breaking his neck and watched him fall out the windows. Batman shot a man in cold blood killing him. That was Batman when he was first created. So you're right if comparing to the original concept. 😅

[@kellyevans3254]

@@DCis1 I didn’t know that. I was referring to how neither of them have super powers and both of them take the law into their own hands. I think the conflict would work naturally because of series like the red hood. Punisher would start killing Batman’s villains and Batman would fight punisher to try to stop him from murdering them.

[@MrUn50]

@@kellyevans3254 And they both too stubborn to give up

[@ASS-tb3mq]

If you’ve seen what Batman does in the comics and in the crossover it wouldn’t end well for Frank

[@nobodyknowsforsure]

Look my whole problem with this given the understanding of Frank, there is NO REASON why Spiderman would not completely web him up so that he can't try something. It's just super negligent. I would have rather him get webbed up and then he tell Spiderman before he webbed him up he pressed a trigger for a remote bomb at X location and he has 3 minutes to stop it, forcing Spider-man to retreat. He then uses a heat knife from his back pocket to cut free and escape. You don't sh!t on Spider-man or Punisher and both make sense to the story.

[@lytebluestudios]

He wanted to take punisher somewhere to detain him So webbing him up won't help

[@maksymilianziele28]

Times like this I wonder how Spidey would handle the worst of maniacs Punisher had dealt with over the years like in Punisher MAX. Spidey does not need to like Punisher and his methods, but he cannot deny Punisher thinking crossing his mind when he sees the worst humanity can offer.

[@lytebluestudios]

That's just it, Peter hasn't seen the worst humanity can offer Not like Frank or Logan has

[@Death_Brigade]

@@lytebluestudioshe fights comical villains like Green Goblin. It would be hilarious to see how he would handle a child trafficking ring.

[@kingingrey1882]

Bro would be busting out the black suit after his first bust

[@Death_Brigade]

@@kingingrey1882 Wouldn’t be pulling his punches anymore, that’s for sure

[@johnhard7381]

... Spidey senses danger and pulls a potential source of danger closer?... sure, why not?🤦‍♂️

[@reason063]

Just because you know doesn’t mean you can’t make a mistake

[@deadlydiamond]

He senses danger, doesn't know what that danger is when he does sense it

[@luisvazquez5041]

Spider sense couldn't protect him from punisher's plot armor😅

[@FancyE]

He saw the punisher on the ground in an compromised position and he sensed danger he saves people and didn't want frank getting hurt from whatever was coming and decided to bring him closer to protect him from what ever could have happened

[@Lazy_Spade]

He was trying to help frank because he didn’t think frank had a gernade. I mean the scene right before this frank punches spidey and only hurts himself.

[@Lem1Nade]

Punisher doesn’t always feel the same, he saved spidey in civil war after his epic fight with Tony

[@joeschmoe9412]

lol if all it took to shlump spidey was a grenade, he'd be in the dirt waaay early. pretty sure he's taken multiple green goblin grenades to the body and dome and shrugged it off. Actually im pretty sure he's stayed conscious for punches worse than multiple grenades. I wouldnt even expect that kind of poor performance from a 60 yr old spidey.

[@ContagiousSponge]

It's still a grenade. Explosions that big hurt a lot.

[@hadriandwyer2191]

​@@ContagiousSponge not if you're literally more durable than the grenade? What??? Did you even read the comment?

[@ContagiousSponge]

@@hadriandwyer2191 Spider-Man durability switches all the time, sometimes he can handle big explosions, other times he can't. Either way, even if Spider-Man is more durable, getting hit by a grenade would still hurt him. It most likely wouldn't knock him down, but he would definitely feel the pain from it.

[@lytebluestudios]

​@@hadriandwyer2191 he has heightened senses and was using it at the time A concussion grenade + heightened senses = big ow

[@frisnelleger6023]

The Punisher is obviously outclassed by Spider-Man but the irony is, he wasn't humbled by him, but rather vice-versa.The Punisher got the last laugh considering,the outcome went in his favor.

[@ΣτέργιοςΜποπότας-ζ1μ]

That's the worst thing about the punisher. He always get the last laugh. No matter who's the opponent or what's the situation the writers will always pull some ex machina for him to win or at least get away. Spider man really summarized punishers personality just fine: a lunatic who loves to killed and used his family death as an excuse to keep killing. For him it doesn't matter if what you did, as long it "bad" by his childish standards he'll kill you without a second thought. God, I am so happy that Marvel finally got rid of that ashole. He should have been what he was created for in the first place: an one story Spiderman villain that afterwards will be forgotten

[@Human-wd3nq]

@@ΣτέργιοςΜποπότας-ζ1μ I think characters like Punisher can be used to highlight the strengths of heroes like Spider-Man and Daredevil. They could take the easy way like him, but they don't, because what's right isn't always what's easy.

[@ΣτέργιοςΜποπότας-ζ1μ]

@@Human-wd3nq yea, i totaly agree with you. Characters like Punisher should only be portayed as villains and not get glorify by the writers. Especialy if they are Vietnam veterans like Punisher, who commited they same atrocities with the crime bosses he kills (check Michael Angel Vales the cousin of Richard Ramirez and the one to inspire him to become the pentagram killer) thus making a hypocrite. I may really preffer anti-heros and grey characters, but Punisher is not one of them. He is more of an anti-villain and his writers and fans are usually edgelords that mentally are still in their teen years (best excamlpe Garth Ennis, that guy is a psycho)

[@Human-wd3nq]

@@ΣτέργιοςΜποπότας-ζ1μ I think back before Garth Ennis took the reins Punisher was a much more interesting character. His pre-Ennis origin was that he originally tried to bring the mobsters who killed his family to justice through legal means, except the cops were ineffective and corrupt, which shattered his faith in the justice system. Then the Punisher MAX comics came along, and made a tragic and sympathetic anti-hero a complete monster with zero redeemable qualities, who always wanted to kill people since childhood. The one thing I think modern Marvel has done right is change the war he served in to a generic military conflict instead of Vietnam, because of the unfortunate implications surrounding it.

[@jamesmccallum-lc3nv]

I think the punisher was humbled more cause he didn’t exactly win, he had to resort to cheap tactics and plot armour so he could run away, plus when he punched spider man in the jaw just for no effect. It doesn’t get much more humbling than that

[@quacker7900]

and punisher still saves spidey's life in the civil war

[@stevenbilodeau6697]

Frank Castle, now a wanted man.... Dude Frank Castle is ALWAYS a wanted man. Everyone wants a piece of him, either to killer him or hire him.

[@HasvenWorld]

Illustrator... that's.. that's not a . . . That's a flashbang

[@veonardosupreme6992]

It's called a secret attack.

[@snbforever]

How can Frank hear anything with all that tinnitus?

[@thecrackconnoisseur5278]

Spider-Man fans when Spider-Man isn't fucking invincible, and can actually lose a fight.

[@stormshot119]

Comic book Title: Punisher Warzone

[@Saferoom45]

Thank you.

[@friskandcoplay580]

bro i NEED spider-man to spin back after this

[@Mhmmz]

Watching this at 1.25 is literally perfect, can stay binging like a series this way

[@canalescapebrasil]

Spider-man misunderstoods the Punisher as the Daily Bugle "misunderstoods" Spider-man.

[@muk3558]

It’s like they forget Spider-Man has SPIDER SENSE he’s literally a Marvel Jedi and they make him feel like he forgets he’s super human

[@idiom2805]

writers poured a bucket of glaze for this one. Spidey didn't immediately immobilize frank with his webshooters. Spidey took five hours to react to a fucking grenade. A regular human's kick was enough to daze him? Really? Fucking really? The guy that has buildings fall on top of him and he keeps going gets dazed by a kick from a former fbi agent? Disgusting levels of glaze.

[@2b248]

In war if you're not cheating you aren't trying.

[@PackRodent7]

Everybody talking about spider-man with the grenade thing, I think that's fine. It makes sense. But punisher being able to kick spider-man like that is REALLY weird since in the same scene spider-man wasn't even flinching at his punches.

[@Zikimura]

The Punisher could have easily won this fight just not with conventional weapons and using his fists. Spider-Man should have won this fight, but unfortunately the writers are bad at their jobs. It's absolutely amazing how in this one comic, they managed to assassinate the characters of both Spidey and Frank at the same time. Truly Marvel writers are the epitome of talentless hacks.

[@Dumbsvillefan]

1:58 He’s now gone from the Man who’s wanted to “The Man Who Sold the World”

[@金木研-e9g]

That's only if it had been the right eye, but technically it's solidus now.

[@Dumbsvillefan]

@ So the “”Man who Sold the world”” ( gotta us the air quotes even more)

[@Ldarkkratos]

5:43 that’s a fucking cold shot of Spider-Man peak menace 😂 when triple J talking about a menace this is how he sees Spider-Man 😂😂

[@JustTheInformationPlease]

Spider sense: Works whenever and however the writers want it to

[@ShadowstormProducts]

Simple solution; biometric lock on the webshooter. Spidey's blood is radioactive, make the webshooters require his radioactive signature.

[@ChadwickLindsay-x9p]

Punisher winning this doesn't make sense.

[@yandereneko5523]

Clearly this was not written by Garth Ennis, otherwise it would go very differently.

[@Optimegatrongodzilla]

That's very out-of-character for Peter! He wouldn't condone what Frank does, but he'd be sympathetic.

[@UsuarioGenerico-li5pf]

Ok, I'm confused. Isn't Spiderman supposed to tolerate Punisher and Punisher has esteem and appreciation for Spiderman?. Also... Ironic that they want to make Punisher look like a psycho lunatic, to show Spiderman as a psychopathic lunatic who talks too much and has a huge ego. Sometimes I don't understand if Marvel hates Punisher or Spiderman more.

[@kingingrey1882]

That plus Spidey calling him a cheater for catching him off guard with a grenade right after glazing how much Frank doesn’t stand a chance bc he has super powers

[@ShadowMokujin]

Writers hate spider man

[@therussiancomicbookgeek]

This run was great

[@B1ACKMAG3666]

Didn't know flashbangs could also be fragmentaion gernades.

[@ForestX77]

Spiderman: I’m tired of you killing people! DP: You tell him honey! Wolverine: *casually drinking a beer quirking a eyebrow* Should we tell him?

[@Dontbemadatme-he3sq]

Well... at least they don’t use his equipment.

[@kingingrey1882]

Well if he didn’t want his tech being used to kill then he shouldn’t have made it so efficient at killing

[@tricky_flix]

I feel like “The Punisher humbles Spider-Man” would be a more apt title considering the end to this video

[@Sommion]

Agreed

[@leonardopossidente6551]

This is why i hate the punisher, he's the type of edgy ass character a middle schooler would come up with, and for some unknown reason he actually wins in situations where he absolutely shouldn't, like spidey absolutely annihilated him here, but for some reason the grenade completely took him down, while the guy that was grovelling on the ground is now completely fine? Bullshit lol

[@bwaafdelta3-484]

​@@leonardopossidente6551spiderman kinda lame ngl

[@captainb.mccrea5480]

@@bwaafdelta3-484edgy ass bruh 💀

[@jackalsmalls4995]

@@leonardopossidente6551 you forgot your soy.

[@themangomanjuice]

Very interesting story🫶🏿!

[@Fure2]

Thumbnail showed a pic of punisher kicking Spiderman and knocking him over. The strength and spiderman's bones and muscles would be so strong there's no way a kick from a normal human would have any affect to hurt or budge him one bit.

[@lytebluestudios]

Not if his guard was already down and his muscles relaxed

[@DarkFlameVee]

Spider-Man, technically you’re the cheater, super human str and speed, the webs and your senses and you still lost to a normal guy that has nothing to lose

[@of1564]

2:30 Comic Spider Man: 1 Acted Daredevil: 0

[@zaven2313]

This shit is why i don't take that whole "The writer decided who wins an loses" shit seriously because then we get shit like this. Ain't nothing about this make sense.

[@Gatorah]

Yknow, you’d think spider man would have a LOT more empathy considering what franks been through. Even if he doesnt know what franks been through im sure he can atleast feel theres more about him

[@Gamer-qy1wo]

This is why im not a fan of comic punisher either. He may stand for something, but he doesnt respect what other heroes stand for, he also promarily just kills regular thugs n stuff. But still, him using spidermans gear, knowing how heavy it would weigh on him, is definitely crossing a line. And yeah, punisher shouldnt have been able to win here at all.

[@petergohan]

Spidey needs to play it safe, and web both his arms and feet.

[@Batmanwhodrinks]

“If he stopped holding b-“ He won’t. He never will. May Parker wouldn’t even look at him.

[@scarymonsters9130]

Never do I think could Frank kill Spidey I don’t think he would ever want to but incapacitate and run away from maybe

[@kaiju9363]

I think everyone here knows that Spider-Man would've beaten Punisher hands down, no way in hell a simple grenade would daze Spider-Man that much to where his spider sense doesn't even detect Punisher's incoming kick

[@Splatific]

Plot armor

[@lytebluestudios]

I don't understand the surprise at Frank out smarting peter when he was introduced into comcs being capable enough to tag and outsmart Peter😂. He studies superhumans for this very purpose. Billy Butcher was based off him.

[@lytebluestudios]

Like bruh All his villains have tagged him pretty easily too just as much as he's dodged them. People in here think Parker is Quicksilver or that Frank hasn't tagged actual speedsters much faster than Peter. And then there's pple talking about Firelord lmao. Spiderman stans think he's Silversurfer level now

[@sixsledges5474]

honestly i hate how Frank is one of the most morally correct characters but is almost always treated like the bad guy

[@THEBLACKRIGHTWINGER]

That's the idea

[@SleepingSoulK]

“Morally correct” 😭

[@THEBLACKRIGHTWINGER]

@@SleepingSoulK he kills violent criminals

[@sixsledges5474]

@@SleepingSoulK is he not lol?

[@Dracnoral1987]

I mean, Spidey can't win with the writer's curse still following him...not unless he goes evil, which I think says more about the writers than it does about Spidey haha

[@Araknidz]

How does a literal superhuman lose to a regular human?

[@louisduarte8763]

This was a Punisher story, that's how.

[@金木研-e9g]

Over confidence There's your Daily dose of Spidey

[@AndrewRyan-zv7zb]

Superman loses to space debris

[@williamlowry92]

Just a reminder kids: Something Spidey gets wrong here is calling Frank a murderer. Frank is a killer. The difference being one is unjustifiable, and the other is!

[@GonzaloRodriguez-br1nt]

What tickles *me* off is the fact that Frank stole a web-shooter from Spider-man, probably the hero who despises killing the most at the same level as Batman, and is not treated as seriously as it is. I get it, Spidey's a jokester, and yes, he kinda did get mad. But Punisher used something Peter created to help people, to murder, the one thing that Peter can't stand. And nit only that, he did it twice, and Peter just reacts with a joke. Like, what?

[@wjzav1971]

Can't have a story where The "I have Plot Armor" Punisher eats dirt apparently.

[@paulakroy2635]

He does. Captain America takes him down and he does to solidarity prison

[@MrRAGE-md5rj]

@@paulakroy2635 Cap went back on his word and acted all self-righteous. Spider Man was the only one who understood.

[@theoutlawking9123]

Oh shut up, Peter is a moron who takes nothing seriously yet you're surprised he lost to Competent War Veteran. You comicbook nerds need a damn reality check.

[@lytebluestudios]

It's happened a million times even in punisher comics. Read Punisher: Paraiah, Spiderman one shot him and left cause Frank didn't have room or equipment to pull anything and Peter was pissed off. That's not plot armor The first thing Punisher did in comics was fuck up Spiderman

[@theoutlawking9123]

@@wjzav1971 So many spiders butthurt cause Big Pun got this win, my god 🤣

[@CorvinusRahl]

He's smarter than Frank too.

[@peanutbuttersoup673]

So he's able to take his several punches to the face... but one kick is enough to knock him out???

[@lytebluestudios]

He wasn't knocked out and his guard was down and his muscles relaxed All frank really did was push him down more

[@EldridEinherjar]

I hate Punisher for those reasons too. In my version of the Marvel Universe, Frank meets his “end” when he gets possessed by a Spirit of Vengeance (“You want to play Judge, Jury & Executioner so bad? Fine, take my power”) But because Frank’s mind is so disjointed, he becomes a prisoner within his own body with the SoV having full control of the wheel.

[@shadovex28]

Leave punisher alone. Frank is out there killing the filth of the world. Just step aside and let him do what he does

[@masternoob9673]

Punisher is literally Marvel’s Batman at this point 😑 Somehow able to fight virtually Anyone beyond his league just because. No wonder people don’t read comics anymore

[@金木研-e9g]

We don't read em for the woke crap they constantly want to promote We read manga because we want entertainment, and this punisher was maybe the last good one And spidey is to cocky for his own safety, that's why he lost

[@purkle200]

Typical Frank Castle plot armor 🙄 This guy apparently was immune to the infamous penance stare.

[@WannabeWryter]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6esd5t-gZecqrcsi=qTBPQq_ytYWEG8Ff Yeah,

[@DreSkiiiii_007]

He doesn’t kill the innocent

[@purkle200]

@@DreSkiiiii_007 Doesn't stop penance stare regardless if the lives he's taken weren't innocent. It's just plot armor like Captain Marvel surving it somehow.

[@Sokolvanna]

Mf have Batman plot armor

[@Adorni]

@@purkle200 The Penance Stare only affects those who have killed innocents, and harbor some degree of remorse for their actions. Frank doesn’t kill innocents, and he has absolutely zero remorse for the murders he commits. The Penance Stare absolutely should not work on him.

[@nobodyuknow6337]

I don't think any of the marvel heroes like Punisher, do they?

[@blechb5317]

Not really. Wolverine doesn’t particularly hate him, but he’s no fan of him either.

[@derpyboi8591]

Dude Spidey dominated this fight and Punisher barely manages to get away, and all the spiderman fans are super upset. Ya'll need to stop glazing

[@JohnSmith-lo6bg]

Its not about who dominated the fight...its about who won it...thats why fanboys upset.

[@m33dok]

"Why spider-man hates punisher" Uhh...cuz the first appearance of punisher he was trying to kill spider-man?

[@theoutlawking9123]

All these people getting mad cause Big Pun kicked widdy spidey's butt, get used to it. Punisher realistically could take most of marvel cause despite their powers, most of them are not Soldiers or Killers and therefore won't go for the killshot. To typical nerds this doesn't make sense but to anyone with actual combat experience, it does!

[@JohnSmith-lo6bg]

Yep, they purposely oversimplify and think the outcome of a fight is only decided by smarts, agility, strenght, biasedly narrowing the stats to that of their favorite character so they can claim he deserved to win. They purposely ignore things such as the deadlieness or lethalness(if thats a word) of a character and other important factors when judging fights, then cry when the win isnt given to their favorite hero. Fanboys, Spidey only needs one good hit and say bye bye to all that speed, strenght, jokes ect. So anyone who has the skills or weapons to tag him has a shot of defeating him, and if its a killer like Wolverine or Punisher, he better hope its not a killshot. And Spidey is by no means untouchable as established in comics so for these reasons he is considered street tier, love it or hate it.

[@isaacfreeman1]

I'm not a spider fan. I'm former military. You're being cringe. You're understanding is wrong because Frank is actually incapable of harming most of the cast in Marvel. It's not a skill dif. Punisher wins here because his goal is to hurt people in a fight (pragmatic.) Spiderman wants to help in a fight(fantastical.) Also it's a Punisher comic.

[@theoutlawking9123]

@isaacfreeman1 You're military yet don't think that, Frank a man skilled with every kind of weaponry imaginable, couldn't defeat anybody in this game? Yeah, if you're actually military then our Armed Forces have become a joke cause you don't know a damn thing about guns and what they're capable of.

[@theoutlawking9123]

@@JohnSmith-lo6bg Exactly, thank you.

[@13Lictor]

I mean this fight is as deus ex machina as it gets. Lol. Spiderman can dodge bullets and regularly has to deal with villains that throw bombs at him (Green Goblin) but loses to a random grenade. Sorry but Punisher was given plot armour in this fight, as per usual.

[@oldgames4377]

Hits Spider-Man and does nothing. Hits Spider-Man later and then it does???

[@rotieh3057]

That's not Spiderman, he's not like this

[@mathewrivera6492]

So you’re telling me spider man not being able to avoid Punisher’s grenade is canon but he can tank a hit from a phoenix force buffed colossus that is also canon?? Ok marvel

[@RedKnight17133th]

See, I'm on board with Spidey 999999.99...9 ...99... ...99... ...9% percent of the time. But it's that stupid, quip-whipping mouth of his that gets him into deep shit every single time. Sometimes Pete... sometimes you just gotta know when to shut the hell up.

[@Luke-ky5ed]

What comic?