Why Stock Ableton Plugins Are A BETTER Option

It's not only that Ableton stock devices are better than paid plugins. You can replace any multiband or mid side plugin with too simple to be true racks.
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[@heights__3209]

He's back at it again with more ableton hacks. I love this fucking guy.

[@Zdrewe]

You can’t imagine how much it means 🙏❤️

[@Beatsbasteln]

If you were using Bitwig you'd be questioning 3rd party plugins even more, because that DAW comes with a mid/side and a few multiband containers and you can apply modulators to everything so the devices themselves don't have to come with internal modulators. However the reality is often that the 3rd party plugins offer a better workflow, more streamlined to get a specific job done, or they have a specific sound character that is a bit beyond the parameters that are offered to the user

[@noam_mmvii]

I don't know about the other stuff but ableton does have a midside eq.. it's one of the modes of eq8. Also I personally prefer stock plugins in ableton for the workflow because it annoys me to have to open 3rd party plugin windows when stock plugins allow you to adjust stuff straight away. kind of minor but I value that.

[@noam_mmvii]

re read ur comment and realized u didn't say ableton didn't have midside eq 💀

[@Beatsbasteln]

@@noam_mmvii the difference between a mid/side feature and split is a compromise between workflow and the ability to apply mid/side to everything. stock plugins in general have a nice workflow in ableton and bitwig where they have these short interfaces right in the chain. in a DAW like cubase you barely feel the difference between a stock and 3rd party plugin. a 3rd party plugin has to really deliver to be good in our favorite DAWs

[@noam_mmvii]

@@Beatsbasteln yeah exactly what I meant to say lol I just read the initial comment wrong and thought u were saying something else

[@Raphswonders]

I used ableton for the first time 3 days ago, I went from insulting everything about the DAW to now i can't wait to buy it 🔥

[@AeldraNightwood]

I find your vids on music production to be the best ATM and pretty much the only one I always watch once you upload. I love how there is no nonsense wasting my time, just dive right in as well as your presentation is nice. And I should also mention, as I do this as hobby I don't want to and can't afford to spend hundreds of $$$ on plugins so seeing you doing it with stock ableton plugins is really game changer for me as you make me feel like "you can do this" instead of feeling down with "don't have money for that plugin mate? you're fked"

[@Zdrewe]

Happy to hear that as well as with you enjoying my videos 🙏 and yeah, you can DEFINITELY do this without spending a fortune to get 3rd party plugins. Sure, some are cool and my go-to ones but honestly I started to enjoy utilizing stock plugins to the max… and as I said in the video, they’re more than enough!

[@Ivan-Zile]

Ableton stock is amazing and presets are great. Keep on rocking Zdrewe!

[@Zdrewe]

My man Ivan is here! Thanks a lot 🙏🙏

[@_madonkey_]

Very good video. Thank you for showing everybody these tips and tricks. Grest for newcomers and seasoned Ableton users alike! Superb

[@Zdrewe]

Glad you like it 🙏🙏

[@kir__l]

Thanks bro!♥

[@danieldistinkt]

Absolute gold tips here man, thanks!

[@Zdrewe]

You’re welcome and thanks for watching 🙏

[@tuadelaalta2478]

wuaoo esta genial , casi no entedi por que no se al 100% ingles pero la idea general y me gusto 🔥🔥🔥toca ver el video 2 o 3 veces 📚📚

[@paulpee123]

❤ I also love this guest he funny and cool,with interesting topics explaining it so well

[@samprock]

Echo is may fav! So this vid of a week! 🎉

[@cilafr]

Totally agree ! I whish I would have watched these kind of video before buying all these 3rd party plug-ins I don't really use except some very specfic ones. This because I realized how much ableton stock plugins are good. Also I noticed that most often they are less processor intensive as similar 3rd party plugins. And having them straight available in the bottom docker really speeds up my workflow :) I have some regrets of having buy all these plugins. My personal advice would be 'use your stock plugins, experiment with them and also read the Ableton Live documentation'. Lastly I almost bought the new iZotope Trash... but no, this time I told myself : man you got Roar !

[@Zdrewe]

As you basically said - it’s not that plugins are bad but you always end up using only a few specific ones. The rest is just stacking up. Stock devices definitely allow for less CPU usage unless you’re on a Virtual Riot level of randomization, mapping and building daw inside the DAW 😂 Speaking of Trash - man, Roar plus Convolution/Hybrid reverb can definitely replace it. If only I knew that iZotope is about drop a new version I would use this comparison in my video about Roar 😂

[@mrclaytron]

Love your videos man - what you say is so true! Ableton stock plugins are like Lego bricks, using them together to build all kinds of powerful stuff, as you show. I hate seeing "producers" recommending 3rd party synths and effects, claiming that "stock Ableton is shit". Anyone who claims this has no idea what they are talking about. Another benefit of using stock is the SUPER low latency and usually light CPU load compared to many VSTs/AUs. Plus, UI integration is much better! Keep up the good work! Your channel is among the best!

[@Zdrewe]

Thanks a lot man, it means a world 🙏 Honestly, if someone would ask me for some 3rd party plugin recommendations I could talk all day but…. I would never say that Live stock devices are shit. If some say that, they probably never used any of those or they used them wrong

[@ranradd]

Thanks!

[@Zdrewe]

You’re welcome and thanks for watching 🙏

[@alexanderdaniel74]

And once again; for me the best Ableton tips & tricks videos on YT!! Thanks a million @zdrewe

[@Zdrewe]

Means a world 🙏 comments like yours keep me going and digging deeper in Live 😅

[@toddwmac]

Ok....I've only been using (and loving) Live seriously for a couple weeks. Now, thanks to you, I'm starting to regret getting Standard instead of Suite, so I have Max for Live. Damn you Zdrewe! Btw....if this whole music thing goes off the rails. you definitely have a career in standup.

[@Zdrewe]

Honestly, Live standard plus a couple of plugins is more than enough to have a really cool experience and produce everything. Utilizing and finding ways to replace everything with Suite and M4L only is like “I paid for a whole Ableton so I’m gonna use the whole thing” 😂 thanks a lot man 🙏

[@toddwmac]

@@Zdrewe Yeah, digging into your "stick with stock" theme has really helped me learn more about this platform....and sound design in general. With some of your perspectives in mind I, it will be easier to actually finish some pieces once in a while. Mush Appreciation! 🍄

[@morizanova]

Amazing!

[@Zdrewe]

Thanks! Means a world 🙏🙏

[@machinate]

shaper box was always perplexing to me - it's literally doing what a dummy clip would do in ableton live, often you don't even need a plugin for this, just clip automation.

[@Zdrewe]

The beauty behind ShaperBox is that it’s a one stop shop for automating effects without a need of digging inside the arrangement. Their reverb, time and noise modules are pretty damn cool as well but I agree with you - for a simple volume automation, you don’t need to toss an instance of 3rd party plugin

[@Paul-gp5om]

This is mana from heaven amigo! Peace

[@martingifford5415]

A Reverb is the only VST you need to buy. Ableton reverbs sound bad for mixing (but can be good for sound design).

[@Zdrewe]

Haha in my previous video I got roasted by saying that hybrid reverb is great for mixing purposes as well 😂

[@synthaxxoriginal4456]

In my opinion a good EQ plug-in is more necessary... I still use stock ableton EQ eight but it doesn't 'cut' that well... Even on X4... I'm thinking to buy Pro-Q3...

[@synthaxxoriginal4456]

​@@Zdrewe​ a video about plug-ins you should buy to elevate your sound quality apart from those stock ableton live (standard) plugins, would be awesome!! Maybe you can devide it in terms of price. If you'd spend under 100 euro, between 100 and 200, between 200 and 300,...

[@Zdrewe]

@synthaxxoriginal4456 yeah the low cut slope on EQ8 is a little bit clunky. Funny thing is that the EQ on Hybrid Reverb is more flexible. Check out the Kirchhoff eq as well 😉

[@JuhoSprite]

I just have the super basic version of ableton so I always feel left out. Tutorials keep using the premium plugins

[@HumanBeingWithFeelings]

Great video content as usual! there's something that got me confused though. at 4:50 , shouldn't the saturator be after you have filtered the selected frequency range (for example mids)? If you put it at the beginning of the chain, you still haven't filtered the selected frequency range so wouldn't it affect the whole signal that comes in pre-filtering? what am I missing? Cheers!

[@Zdrewe]

Great question! As I’ve said in the video once you apply it after the split, harmonics will leak to low and high (depends on the type of saturation ofc). And that’s not a bad thing but if your stylistic choice is to affect each band exclusively, you should put it before the split

[@HumanBeingWithFeelings]

@@Zdrewe Hey thanks for the answer! if you do it before the filtering you are actually saturating the whole frequency range and then applying the filter,right? doesn't that mean that the harmonics created from lows and highs would spill into the mids? (specially the ones created from the lows, it's just that they are not as easily seen on the spectrum analyzer as they would mix up with the rest of mid frequencies) I think imho a way to prevent harmonics from the rest of the frequency bands to affect the mids would be saturating just the mids (after filtering with the multiband) so you don't get harmonics from other frequencies into the mids and then you can always apply a HPF and LPF to "clean" it. I''m not saying it'd sound necessarily better but actually now I'm going to have to try that myself and see what the differences are🤓. Very interesting stuff man, keep it up!

[@onaucc9899]

Hello! i'm new to Ableton (have been making music for years thought), so these tutorials help a lot. What i, as a beginner, would really like to see is some absolute basic stuff. For example how to map stuff in Ableton to modulate other stuff - you've shown that in this video, but i'd love to see some detailed explaination for simple stuff like that. For example, would it be possible in Ableton to have have a MIDI clip that plays a Bass sound (form Serum for example) in an instrument channel trigger some MIDI sensitive effect that's in the chain of the instrument? Let's say i want for example the dry / wet amount in Roar to follow an envelope shape, triggered every time a MIDI note is played. Just like it is in the VST (Serum for example), where i can map Env 1 to the distortion amount or so, just with Ableton stock plugins. You know, in case i like the Roar distortion more than the Serum distortion. I still lack the understanding for stuff like that and some tutorials on the basics of modulating stuff in Ableton in a more automated way (not to be confunsed with automation, of course) would be really, really helpful. :)

[@Zdrewe]

Happy to hear that 🙏 For the case you’re talking about you could use a MIDI shaper (free M4L device that comes with Suite) but as you brought up Roar - just use its built in Env follower. Back to your request - I’ll try to explain more of the basics in future uploads plus I’m planning to launch 1 on 1 sessions soon 😉

[@PilzE.]

Nice! Also, big thanks my hard-working friend, from your lazy friend!!! 😉

[@Zdrewe]

Hahaha have fun with those my friend 😉 more racks coming

[@benchiki6352]

ABLETON GANG 👽

[@Zdrewe]

Sir yes sir 🫡🫡

[@akira20ish]

I went back to FL

[@zagga700jib6]

Очень нравится , Ваш, контент )))может быть сэмплироаание с помощью стандартных плагинов Ableton ? Классический бум бэп..

[@Mopark25]

It's the analog knob on H-Delay, for anyone wondering 😂

[@Zdrewe]

Hahah someone knows what’s up 😂

[@hyperconfidence650]

Another Lazy Friend thanks you

[@Zdrewe]

No problem 😅🙏

[@user-dr8yh8td4e]

Thank you.. Although I spent 1000s € in other plug ins ;-)

[@Zdrewe]

Then you know the meaning behind the beginning of this video 😂

[@user-dr8yh8td4e]

@@Zdrewe It was ironic from my side. But industry must live 🙂

[@frilent1467]

Been using 90% stock plugins since 2012, I just don't see a reason to use any plugin that does the basics like EQ/compressing unless there's a really specific unique feature that I might need. Also, only using stock plugins makes it way easier to send a project file back and forth or reopen it on a new computer that doesn't have all your old plugins installed

[@Zdrewe]

Damn right! Specific features - that’s what I look for in plugins right now.

[@jeanpaul.mma_]

What do you think about suno v3?

[@Zdrewe]

As for right now I’m not interested in any AI music generators. Those voice swappers and stem extractors are cool tho

[@medyzz94]

what about Effectrix 2 ? I think you cant really replace that with anything?

[@Zdrewe]

Both Effectrix as well as Infiltrator for example are a set of effects and their modulations put cleverly in one plugin. Technically, you can but the amount of work to put it together is only for the real nerds 😂

[@S1Kclanschannel]

Final mix 2 😂😂

[@mirkomarkovic3438]

Ableton eq has major cramping issues so hardpass

[@user-vd3if4wq6m]

Delay is just a Delay? Hmm?? Then in that aspect a Vocal is just a vocal... a Kick is just a Kick etc. Truth is there are so many big and small things that make things different, make things wourth more (quality) etc etc. Ableton Delay will never be Soundtoys Echoboy etc. ...But yes Delay is delay and you can make great things happen with stock plugins

[@xavieryt412]

So sad Echo is not in the Standard version of Live BTW you should activate the "Thanks" button on youtube, would be much easier to leave you a tip

[@Zdrewe]

Yeah, you’re right. Sometimes I forget about the fact that not everyone has a Suite version. My fault and I’ll correct myself or make a disclaimer in upcoming vids. Speaking of a “thanks” feature - thanks for the suggestion man, I’ll check and set it up