Why the 2024 Red Bull Looks Like the 2023 Mercedes

[@KetemaHarris]

Haha Newey probably figured out what Mercedes could only do in simulation. Guy is a genius

[@raul-yd3ob]

Wowowow buddy they didnt race so far, we dont know if its a success (most probably will be)

[@wile123456]

@@raul-yd3ob yep, it is

[@espvp]

That is the most giga chad move by Red Bull, to look at Mercedes’ failed concept and go like “watch, here’s what you wanted to do 🗿”

[@diemes5463]

Stealing Mercedes homework and doing it better would be the ultimate burn

[@Watever310]

Toto gonna fire them all 😂

[@itswyattlul]

Newey said na ima make this bitch better 😂

[@JittyLaRoot]

Was thinking the same thing. Proper kick in the balls if they dominate the season again

[@2g1c69]

I think mercedes nailed the aero, redbull nailed the suspension and floor. this redbull could be something absolutely special

[@paulsterling2610]

This shows the main issue with w14 was the suspension not the side pods

[@FarmerEnvoyXtreme]

Mercedes : Zero side pods doesn't work. Adrian Newey : Hold My Red Bull

[@acelectricalsecurity]

Zero, suggests Mercedes ran a car without side pods, that's never been the case, they had side pods which were smaller than other teams.

[@GameOver-nm2us]

@@acelectricalsecurity there was no sidepods my man, if anything it's just a bump in the body

[@acelectricalsecurity]

@@GameOver-nm2us nah they were there just a slimmer version

[@GameOver-nm2us]

@@acelectricalsecurity dude, look at the car, there no sidepods

[@acelectricalsecurity]

@@GameOver-nm2us Already have

[@haribo836]

In a way I find it hillarious that Mercedes, who certainly are no fools, believed in and worked on a similar concept for a year and a half, but couldn't get it to work. Then the moment they drop it, the guy who is probably seen as the biggest design genius in the industry says: "hey, that's a good idea, bet I can make it work"

[@DatBoiGloomy]

This could go 2 ways and it would be funny either way it ends up going. 1. Adrian cooked and they smoke everyone again. 2. What happened to Mercedes happens to RB and they goof it up until upgrades come im. The 1st cenario is more likely but damn would it be funny to see number 2 happen. Newey is too good to let that happen tho and he’s shown to be the king of ground effect cars.

[@techtutorial9050]

As good as he is tho Newey isn’t immune to making mistakes, if I remember correctly the ‘04 mp4 19 was pretty slow initially and Newey designed that if I remember correctly

[@KS-tz9sg]

@@techtutorial9050 Worst thing than can happen is if the car is slow in testing they will just show up with RB19 for the opener

[@meislit9217]

@@KS-tz9sg everything points to 1. it's unlikely Mercedes simulation, Red Bulls simulation AND Adrian Newey were wrong. The mercedes concept worked in simulation and if it they could've made it work irl might have had the potential to be faster than the concept red bull had. Chances are red bull with their good suspension have managed to make that more difficult but faster concept work and be even more unbeatable

[@tonamg53]

@@techtutorial9050 Newey has been wanting to leave McLaren for several years by the time and ‘04 McLaren was designed by a lot of big names in F1 like Paddy Lowe and Pat Fry

[@hanstubben]

Max 24 race wins, 24 fastest laps, 12 poles, 6 sprint wins an at least 1200 laps in the lead during the season!

[@Watever310]

Got damn we gonna hear dutch anthem 24 time then 😂

[@thesergeyplayrus7880]

Also at the begging of the Dutch GP, so 25 times😂​@@Watever310

[@Aldas001]

Left some poles for Leclerc which will turn into Max wins. Smart

[@acelectricalsecurity]

I don't think so

[@aaronyoghurt9210]

Time to stop caring about F1 again, same as during 2014-2020.

[@Qwnntm]

RedBull is playing a very high risk - high reward strategy, but after all, that is what they're known for

[@acelectricalsecurity]

Well if it all goes wrong, they can do what they did with Renault and start blaming the engine.

[@janebeneezercabrera5364]

If it fails They will just swap to last years car It would probably still leave most of the competitors in the dust

[@patepulkkinenvtec2403]

​@@acelectricalsecurityJust like Renault wasn't a shit powerunit lol. Heck, it still is.

[@acelectricalsecurity]

@@patepulkkinenvtec2403 well it got them 4 titles

[@patepulkkinenvtec2403]

@@acelectricalsecurity Renault engine was never that great, it was Newey's aero that got Red Bull to those titles.

[@nabsd1327]

Adrian Newey saw Mercedes car and said "i can fix her"

[@wile123456]

If only Christian Horny could be fixed too

[@PolishEddie92]

Adrian Newey. Thats why.

[@cyancut21]

The inboard channels created by the cannons are there to keep the air that was disturbed by rushing over the halo, cockpit and driver from spilling over and interfering with the downwashing surface on top of the sidepod that helps work the diffuser harder It is guided between beam wing and rear wing together with the cooling exit around the exhaust, so that all aerodynamically „worthless“ streams of air are exiting where damage the important flows the least It‘s possible though that Red Bull will use the channel to place the additionally allowed cooling slots there as well to really keep all the losses in one place which would be absolutely insane considering the tight space and on the absolute limit cooling demand fulfillment they are working with following this cooling concept. Either way, this team is just astonishing

[@andresp.1774]

We need more of these technical videos. As always, great content, greater analysis!

[@miserablecherry7651]

people get so hyped over these cars but when the first race comes along its new wings new bodywork and new floors and thats only what we can see. No point hyping up all this stuff just because we're waiting for a race....

[@TheChampIsHere9988]

There’s a reason why Adrian newey focused and designed the suspension first and then aero.

[@itshanhan1]

Maybe the missing side pods were the problem but everything else around it was good, cuz Red Bull still runs pretty much normal side pods with everything Mercedes built around it.

[@redheadsg1]

Canons ... now that is a new one since i heard that those were named also side sausages and shoulders. Shoulders sounds the best so far.

[@paulsterling2610]

Also rb20 using some w14 concepts without changing driver position

[@PiousMoltar]

I would love to see Toto & the Mercedes engineers' faces right now

[@acelectricalsecurity]

What if Mercedes rock up with a similar design, in testing a few years ago they had a conventional car, then turned up with a car that had tiny side pods, nothing is a given at this stage.

[@Deraldgjr]

Merc said the same thing about simulation results, but couldn't reproduce it on the track.

[@leishembayengkhom33]

This time Newey says the data correlates with the track performance.

[@Uzair_Of_Babylon465]

Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍👍...

[@dlrulez619]

Adrian Newey just doing side quests at this point

[@yevdavydov2573]

Mercedes used the "cannon" and vertical intake design last year to help with cooling demands that were made more difficult with such small sidepods and their existing water to air intercoolers. This year, the larger sidepods allowed for packaging their existing intercooler strategy. Red Bull's Honda PU uses an Air to Air intercooler with much larger cooling surface needs and bulkier housing. To add downwash and side-pod cutout, they had to drastically increase the intake area and cannon area to house the intercoolers. The majority of Mercedes' power problems had to do with packaging with the smaller Zero-pods. We'll see if RB has similar problems and needs to detune the Honda engire, especially on hotter circuits.

[@MrShadowofthewind]

I doubt it, they would not risk such a critical thing with a new design if there was no evidense for it paying off.

[@JohnDoe-gf5he]

Newey obviously has a good track record. But sounds very risky to change a winning concept a lot.

[@willmac5642]

He said he didn't take enough risks ..

[@marcopinto7119]

Talking about adding insult to injury. It would be the most weird thing ever. Ahahahahah

[@CodyOsteen5]

There is also air inlets on the Red Bull at the back of the halo that feed the shoulder tubes.

[@hilroydaniels5109]

I can wait to hear what Toto and James Allison have to say about Redbull using their W14 concept as inspiration for their RB20.

[@miserablecherry7651]

in fact i wouldnt be suprise if those air intakes are completely back to normal after the first race. the concept failed for merc with overheating and i doubt they'll be able to run that and win at high altitude circuits

[@elChirrinChirriondelDiablo]

They won’t because the intake isn’t where most people think it is, they are horizontal, but the opposite of what Red Bull did last year

[@illdeletethismusic]

@@elChirrinChirriondelDiablo in the rendering the inlets are horizontal, the rendering doesn"t have the vertical slots in the real life pictures only the vertical slots are visible

[@Cruzblack781]

Just to be clear because everyone seems to be massively surprised that the RB20 Is so different to the 19 red bull said last year they had only built an average car they could do so much better and they specifically said that the RB20 would not be an evolution of the 19 it would be a revolution and they clearly meant it

[@B.A.GarGar]

Newey and everyone at RB said that this is a evolution to the first car. From 22 to 23 to 24. Why a big part of the f1 community likes to exagerate and tell bs i rlly don t understand. And a big part of the car is still hidden from us until testing. Ffs

[@Cruzblack781]

@@B.A.GarGar ye go back to last year and red bull were surprised said the RB19 wasnt even that good really they were unsure what had happened to the other teams and they could do such a better job so it's not a surprise what's happened really everyone just likes to go mental lol

[@haribo836]

Actually Newey literally said in their own red bull podcast that this years car is the 3rd evolution of the '22 car, the RB18. But maybe where we see a revolution in a sidepod inlet, for him it's just an evolution of the same aero concept. Edit: good podcast to watch by the way. Really interesting to learn a bit about how that man works and thinks, and with him being in his home factory, he is realy relaxed and opens up.

[@krish5029]

Newey really saw the Mercedes and said "I can fix her"

[@thecompanioncube4211]

Newey making different builds for completing side quests

[@anngo4140]

Merc be having surprise Pikachu face

[@m99a]

I think Redbull is messing with everyone. Just to make the youtubers talk about a fake car and the other teams to second guess their design

[@happycatracing]

Truth

[@EM_Karting]

Its unlikely because there is visual evidence of the car being tested at silverstone so unless they wanted to waste millions building a fake car, its real.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

They're 100% not doing that, this is the bare bones of the car. In testing they'll show the details and updates that bring it all together.

[@SunsetWingman]

Well the merc was fast at COTA because it was illegally low...

[@T-CainesZR1]

If it was the correct height it would still fast at that track.

[@sergioferrero46]

​@@T-CainesZR1absolutely, but not that much. They were on par/slightly faster than RB that weekend, but RB had done their job and raised the car a lot (see some images). If Mercedes went totally legal, I don't think Lewis could've even come close to Max

[@ZZPxFTW]

@@sergioferrero46the ride height wouldn’t have made that much difference. Merc was barely illegally low.

[@sergioferrero46]

@@ZZPxFTW every milimeter counts. Also, search for the ride height difference between Mercedes and RB that weekend. Had RB run as low as Merc, they could've been significantly faster (a few hundredths/tenths, but you get me)

[@ZZPxFTW]

@@sergioferrero46 you're completely missing the concept of relativity. Yes every millimeter counts and I'm not trying to defend Merc for running too low, however to go as far as saying RB would have been "significantly faster" when the change in ride height would have realistically only yielded very small percentages of performance, seems slightly out of touch with reality. The time gained for RB by running the car lower would have easily been offset by a driver running just inches off the ideal racing line in a corner. That's the game they play at this level, and to insinuate that merc's pace in Austin was down to the ride height, is a little naive

[@gunshipzeroone3546]

Red bull are so going to win this season all races mostly with max again..

[@ToulKorkMan]

To think RB an energy drink is beating the likes of historical brands such as Ferrari, Williams and Mercedes is mind blowing.

[@nswanner]

I have a funny feeling that they have found something that makes the car even better on its tires, after it was superior on its tires in 2023.

[@NicotineRosberg]

If they actually knock it out the park with this car Mercedes is gonna look stupid

[@kyleolson8977]

Why do we keep thinking the livery launches show the real cars? They have no need or interest to show ANYTHING except the livery, and it's in their interest to not show it off the important changes. Preseason testing won't even be enough. Last year, teams hid parts of the car during testing. It's likely there's enough real and fake on the car to keep everyone guessing.

[@nigelsarah1]

Zero pod RB to be unveiled In Bahrain

[@pedrochavez9221]

The engine cover that you're trying to compare has very different concepts

[@FabianDialer-vw1zk]

I think Redbull only did this to make fun of Mercedes, and to piss them of, especialy if it works in the end. You'd have Toto going Nuclear and Horner laughing his ass off.

[@sibtainali1033]

Newey saw the Merc and said I CAN FIX HER😂

[@Michallote]

The sidepods are completely different though. They borrowed the vertical inlet, but those pods aren't anything similar, it's still a downwashing sidepod with large undercuts unlilke the zeropod

[@hilroydaniels5109]

Yeah, but the overbite idea came from the W14 crash structure that sits above the vertical side pod inlet.

[@thecook238]

Newey be like: here, I'll show you how it's done kids!

[@adamn7125]

Adrian said "I can fix her" and he kept his word

[@thomasnieswandt8805]

Newey looked at the Mercedes 2024 car launch and was like "Oh, you copied our car to get better? Well, guess what, we copied YOUR car, because you got it right all along, you simply focused on the wrong parts. Ill show you how YOUR car was supposed to work on track" If the RB20 workes in the way Newey said, he will be Mercedes No. 1 enemy and the greatest Motorsport-designer ever.

[@valraukardso7117]

I mean that rb is still far away from the original zero pod desgine. The only thing both desgines have is a vertical air intake.

[@JohnnyJailBait]

Mainly because it was rumoured both red bull and Ferrari arrived to the no pod solution a few years ago but figured it didn’t work, guess red bull cracked it by working on their floor for the past 3 years

[@southerncomfort1339]

Mercedes main issues were front n rear suspension! Floor n body work!

[@BrazilianBeast45]

Aldas the engineer…

[@Nonixification]

Can you imagine if it doesn't work out?

[@a.n.i.m.e8344]

Their can't changed the chassis bruh

[@VasDavid577]

Imagine RB wanting to nerf themselves for a closer competition and end up being even more dominant

[@MuhammadNiz007]

Mercedes are still doing their own thing, saying they have a conventional sidepods inlet either means you haven't seen the sidepods inlet from the launch car or maybe didn't notice it but the Merc doesn't have any upper or lower cut inlet and also clearly has some bend to have S duct integrated in the sidepods inlet and also there frot wing is probably the craziest in terms of details since they have somehow found a loop hole to get a Y250 vortex generator in this current generation of car. ( BTW that front nose and front wing are completely fake, they used the same in the shakedown of RB19 which people have quickly forgotten)

[@rondlh20]

0:30: "Which made them[RB] lose out on their only race win of the season"... really!?

[@magnetictheory]

Yeah this is wrong. It's already been discussed by industry professionals that it's not the intake. You need to subscribe to less tabloid gossip and more industry channels. You're very late. It's not vertical. That's just a dark area/shadow. The intake is just underneath the overhang of the side pod. Instead of scooping air in over like last year, it draws it in from underneath. Hence the function of the extended nose.

[@elChirrinChirriondelDiablo]

Finally someone that can see it, the vertical intake where everyone is assuming they are simply wouldn’t work, the air flow wouldn’t be efficient to cool the radiators where they are mounted. What we are seeing there is more likely something similar to Ferrari’s S-duct

[@magnetictheory]

@@elChirrinChirriondelDiablo agreed. We also have to be wary of what teams are "revealing" vs what they're actually bringing. These unveiling events are really just to show off the new liveries for the season's sponsors. The aero package on track could have significant differences.

[@elChirrinChirriondelDiablo]

@@magnetictheory very good point, what we see is what the teams want us to see.

[@BuuGz86]

if the RB 20 dominates again, i think we need to make a petition for Adrian Newey to go to retirement, He is a living cheat code when it comes to aero.... IF RB had better engines at the start of the hybrid era... we would have seen a way bigger dominance by RB...

[@N1NJAKIDD]

I joked RB was gonna copy Mercedes design last season and better it. This is so funny. RB are sods😂

[@willmac5642]

Newey has said he played it safe. If that isn't rubbing it into Mercedes even more..

[@divewithu7973]

another's team tried to copied redbull. redbull : "hello everyone"..

[@elChirrinChirriondelDiablo]

I’ll tell you a secret: The inlet of Red Bull sidepods are horizontal, under the “overbite”, juts the opposite of what they did last year. What people assume to be the inlet is actually something similar to Ferrari’s S-duct.

[@Kylosgrande]

that's what ive been saying! its more Ferrari inlet then Mercedes. the car looks nothing like the Merc. lots of cars have some kind of shoulders also

[@ocey302]

TUTUTUTU MAX VERSTAPPEN

[@amritbasavaraj9146]

Newey deciding to be arrogant might just be his undoing. Why would any professional in their right minds fix that which isn't broken?! It was funny to read in one RB's instagram post where they said "the rear wing is largely from last year's car - if it ain't broken don't fix it", BRO THE WHOLE ASS CAR WASN'T BROKEN so why lmao

[@jaxzor]

is RB just trolling Totto at this point? xD

[@elChirrinChirriondelDiablo]

Not just Toto, apparently they are trolling everyone; making people thinking they gone for the Mercedes style inlet, when they didn’t

[@davithebest96]

They can just risk since they have the only driver who gives you a 0.5 seconds advantage to everyone else

[@braveheart4603]

Imagine it was crap but redbull persisted with it for 2 years anyway ? Nah me neither.

[@acelectricalsecurity]

I would take what you see with a pinch of salt, you won't know what the cars will look like until they rock up on the grid for the first race. Just because the car has bits that look like the Merc, don't assume it's going to work because newey is involved, he's had his fair share of cars that didn't perform.

[@joehynes2964]

We can all hope that Newey got it wrong and Red Bull might struggle, but that man rarely misses. It will be hyper embarrassing for Merc if they are dominated by design concepts that they adopted, abandoned, and have openly cursed about over the last two years.

[@thetruebatman4632]

There’s always the idea that the car they presented isn’t even close to their title fighter, and they’re just laughing at Merc lol

[@santiagoremedi7385]

Cos they are tired of winning by such a large margin that it's boring for them. Kinda like when we up the difficulty in the f1 game cos winning by so much is unrealistic

[@thetruebatman4632]

Dude the sound that Toto must have made when he saw this car…

[@sultanoftippoo3857]

Probably the same sounds that most people who’ve followed F1 for awhile at this time of year say - “I wonder what the car will actually look like at testing next week and what else will be added to the car as it lines up on the grid for the first race”

[@stanislavkuznetsov6710]

Imagine toto if red bull shows up with no sidepods

[@peterkipkorir-vz2nb]

something for the other teams to copy in 2025 then boom, RedBull changes everything and it looks like Williams.

[@craigcharlesworth1538]

This whole thing is weird. They say they did it because the computer simulations say it's fast, but we know Mercades always said the exact same thing; in the simulator, it was rapid. In the real work, it never really worked. Personally, I highly doubt that's what the car will look like come round 1.

[@elChirrinChirriondelDiablo]

Because what Red Bull did is nowhere near what Mercedes did

[@nickyjeanty4351]

The W13 had a pretty good base.. although I'm no aerodynamicist, the air flow to the rear of that car looked like it was all over the place..while this year's Red Bull is a combination of the W13 /W14B & possibly the Ferrari

[@CozyRodent]

they saw how teams were copying them specially after Checo's accidents showing the floor, now they will be completly different

[@gamesplaynation6835]

Newey knows that they wouldn't win constructors championship if Max wasn't in such a form. Look how close the field was if you remove Max from the grid. Red Bull wasn't that dominate as result's are showing. That's why Newey saw something in Mercedes concept that would work better with the RB Powertrain

[@tacoflash71]

I think Mercedes is bringing concept's from 2015 with the nose cause it worked 9 years ago that's the feeling I've got form that car.

[@scoobersteve307]

Maybe because RedBull poached quite a lot of Mercedes Staff 😂

[@emmanueljamir]

So basically Red Bull made the W14 with sidepods and Mercedes made the RB19 😂

[@oluggbal3005]

Red Bull trolling Mercedes.....This is not their real aero package

[@Eeraz]

I would love exciting Races but I would also love to see that car absolutely demolish Merc. Either way I think it’s gonna be a good season for me and hopefully for the Rest of F1 as well

[@KBauer-cs1rh]

Well the difference between Mercedes and RB is that at Mercedes all this happens maybe just accidentally. At RB it is all planned. I think someone said that Newey supposedly said that those "Idiots" don't know how it works...but great idea so let me show you.:)

[@cl_0ud470]

Honestly if RB wins every races this year it's a massive middle finger to everyone at Mercedes.

[@denispogorelc5240]

Neu Glases ?

[@OveranalyzingEverything]

They got so bored of winning that they got a bad design from another team just to go win every race this year with it

[@whatdoesthisbuttondo5647]

What if it doesn't work? What if they messed it up?

[@awesomesauce2757]

The reason Mercedes kept this concept so long was because the simulator showed that it should work. It didn’t. I will wait until I see the car on track before I congratulate.

[@skrattaoppar9753]

Imagine losing Lewis and a better concept of your better car in a span of a few weeks 🤐

[@sudazima]

gonna be extra ironic if it works and mercedes moved away from that exact concept because hamilton didnt like it the development and is now leaving. although its gonna be even funnier if it turns out it uncontrollable and fails just the same.

[@megawave79]

like the pink Mercedes, but instead its redbull doing it.

[@GrowthMatter]

Don't fix it if it ain't broke. Bet this is gonna backfire big time, just like it did for Mercedes.

[@iiFuture]

People see vertical inlets & cannon and now it’s a W14 lol. There’s aero engineers who say the the aero concept aren’t the same but idiots keep listening to their favorite “content creator”.

[@Amm17ar]

Lol wouldnt it be hilarious if Newy also got bored seeing them win everything and convinced the entire team that Mercedes actually got it right just so they would take a huge step back and wed get some good racing?

[@richardmiller3808]

Newey is the best so he looked, took and made it better.

[@evanubi5]

Labas labai galas

[@rocketman1058]

can't find where it looks the same

[@rensvanderploeg1945]

Perhaps this is only to annoy Mercedes. Could be that they now hope Mercedes is going to waste time back on their zero sidepod concept.

[@kushlovee5645]

I really think rb will disappoint

[@theofficialfluffy]

bro the camber…..

[@knightking69]

Yep, this car didnt age well now did it... went from being good to mid in no time.

[@FCS2206]

Beating merc in their game