Why The Astros Cheating is GOOD for Baseball

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It looks like nothing can make this Astros cheating scandal go away. Not Rob Manfred, not Jim Crane, not Major League Baseball. And that's a good thing.
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[@FoolishBaseball]

I've been thinking this lately as well, and I'm glad you brought it up. The 2017 World Series being illegitimate is certainly bad for the sport, but the fallout has pushed MLB to the forefront during THE OFFSEASON. Even non-baseball fans seem to be really interested in the scandal.

[@frenchfrey65]

Hope you caught the Locastro reference!

[@FivePointsVids]

Wait, you watch my channel?

[@FoolishBaseball]

@@FivePointsVids I check out every video for 5 seconds, give it the thumbs down, and move on with my life.

[@ranelgallardo7031]

I’m an Astros fan. Thanks for making this video. However the good news about this is that there is some precedent in turning heel in pro sports (eg The Patriots, LeBron James) that there’s stuff to learn from them. Oh the Patriots cheating did help make them be more hateable. It’s not the wins.

[@EverythingIsGuchi]

Ranel Gallardo not here to bash your fan base, but how are Astros fans taking this scandal. Such as you, your friends, etc. Just curious

[@MikeJr9284]

Long story short, the only positive in regards to the sign stealing scandal is that baseball is finally regaining national attention.

[@TheManny717]

Well, they say *Controversy Creates Cash,* so...

[@javiersp15]

That will last until the sport itself starts and we are reminded how slow and boring it is.

[@JustMeELC]

Which won't last with the soap opera bandwagon jumpers & all that will be left if the title isn't vacated is a sad joke!

[@michaeljozwiak5716]

....and can you believe the Houston Astros are getting attention.

[@ryansmith1044]

@@TheManny717 Ah yes, the wise words of one Eric Bischoff. Was about to comment the exact same thing.

[@jamilaziz3922]

5 Hrs. Later: Why The Astros Cheating Is Bad.

[@dolphinsandislanders6291]

The Astros old stadium name was Enron Field. This aged perfectly this off-season.

[@97NikeSb]

Should’ve never trusted the Astros after their field was named after Enron

[@kvltizt]

DEEP LORE

[@michaeljozwiak5716]

Thomas Lane Sunny D is fake orange juice. Try Tropicana.

[@JS2shiestyyyy]

Thomas Lane shut up

[@JS2shiestyyyy]

Thomas Lane that makes no sense just like ur life

[@AkshaySingh-ef6wz]

The mariners haven't been to the playoffs in the 16 years I've been alive So maybe we need to cheat more

[@im_waffles2920]

Akshay Singh that’s how I’m feeling here in Baltimore. Come on Orioles, let’s win us a World Series.

[@DAHOMIE_RONE]

@@im_waffles2920 preach, they havent gotten any better since 2017

[@scottsharp1763]

Akshay Singh arod already left king

[@KurlzzPlays]

They would fuck it up

[@JustMeELC]

Well that's the message from mlb until Manfred vacates the title sadly!

[@ryanmahoney7385]

“Tim Locastro level bruising” A fellow Foolish Baseball fan I see

[@rydawg26]

Ryan Mahoney - HE CAN STEAL 1st BASE

[@Schwubble4444]

Ah, an intellectual

[@ThatOneDude219]

When I heard the Astros were banging on a trashcan I thought they were talking about my ex fiancee

[@mylovesongs2429]

(rimshot!) Great line!!

[@braydenspears1898]

The Astro’s did as good to cover it up as Josh Gordon in a drug test

[@lukemorelli6541]

Zombie97 boy that was a pretty blunt statement right there

[@worldtraveler721]

The Yankees are next. Open the letter! Lol

[@Cowtipper4957]

"This upcoming season". Well this aged poorly in a month.

[@kaminsod4077]

If only to watch Astros hitters get pummeled by their divisional rivals plus the Dodgers, Yankees, and Indians.

[@Rohan-lh5je]

why the indians?

[@kaminsod4077]

@@Rohan-lh5je We lost to them in the ALDS in 2018. Granted no one needs to cheat to beat them in the postseason, but still.

[@Rohan-lh5je]

@@kaminsod4077 wasn't that a 3-0 sweep though? If it was a hotly contested 5 game series I would understand. Speaking of which, wouldn't that give the tampa bay rays extra justification for astro hatred?

[@kaminsod4077]

@@Rohan-lh5je Them too. I just figure every team that the Astros have beaten since 2017 will give them hell.

[@Rohan-lh5je]

@@kaminsod4077 I guess. I live in San Francisco so naturally there are a lot of Oakland As fans out here. I assume they will be extra riled up when Houston comes to town.

[@mayitakeyourhatsir8632]

It's good because it has truly exposed everyone to how much of a colossal buffoon Manfred is

[@brentgranger7856]

All the focus on Astros hate has overshadowed one thing: how will Astros fans react to Mike Fiers if he ever pitches again at Minute Maid Park?

[@irishpanic]

Is so sad being an Astros fan. Years and years of losing and frustrating playoff losses. Then we suddenly have a championship and its coz they cheated. It's like a nightmare

[@bobheck7303]

SHITSTORM ASSTROS!

[@Alanbaseball]

Ikr like wtf

[@salted_ana]

Give us the rings back please the White Sox won more recently than We did

[@alake448]

And emotions were running high, too. The Houston Strong slogan was going around after Hurricane Harvey and they won their first championship and rose from tragedy. (Also, I don't like the Dodgers). But now, not sure what to make of it.

[@casual-bat-man]

Fr, I just love the fact that we are the scapegoats, the red sucks got caught and NOBODY cares, the Yankees refuse to open a letter and NOBODY CARES, The dodgers have a payroll as high as the twin towers stacked on top of each other and NOBODY CARES.

[@sirleopold4403]

I guess my emotions are getting in the way of logic cause while as a whole I see how this won't ruin baseball I still think it is bad for the game as a whole. Alot of people think this sport is a joke. I want people to watch baseball games because they love it not because of this scandal. Also I think absolutely no tolerance rule should be in place this year for beanballs. I don't give a fuck what a organization does. You don't try to intentionally hurt someone. Great video Five. Again I see where you are coming from. I'm just letting my emotions get in the way.

[@Rohan-lh5je]

That moment you realize that there may actually be a contender to strip the title of "my least favorite team" away from the dodgers

[@michaelchristiano6955]

Haha shot at the maple leafs. You’re a beauty

[@darkhawk4863]

Also... Roger Gooddell owes Rob Manfred bigtime for unilaterally taking away the titles of "most hated" and "most incompetent" sports commissioner. That guy's going to choke on his own toenails with how far he's got his foot in his mouth over this situation.

[@ranelgallardo7031]

You could argue the scandal will fuel the Astros even more to win another World Series. The talent is still there. Look at the Pats after their cheating scandals.

[@Schwubble4444]

Ranel Gallardo excaclty, look at 2019, all they lost was Gerrit Cole and Wade Miley, but they have Lance McCullers Jr coming back from tommy John and Yordan Alvarez will be playing a full season

[@patrickhiggins5970]

@@Schwubble4444 Yeah, but they lost Cole to the yankees .imo Cole was the only thing the yankees needed to become a great team. You also have to think that the yankees are also probably the team with the best chance to beat the astros

[@Schwubble4444]

PatrickTheSTARwins 24 yes, but people are assuming every person on the team is gonna regress massively and they won’t even win the division, The Yankees are the team to beat in the AL, but the Astros are a closer second then most think, I still think the Astros are better than the Twins, Rays, White Sox, Athletics, Red Sox, and Indians (all the teams who I think could possibly be competitive next season in the AL in 2020).

[@ranelgallardo7031]

Sam Hertz I still the Yankees will still bow to the Astros in the postseason. Also you don’t know who the Astros will acquire before the trade deadline. I know the Astros are scandal laden and their players are a pariah right now but hey if you’re desperate to play, you’ll come to Houston.

[@Schwubble4444]

Ranel Gallardo yeah, who knows, maybe the Mets fall apart and they flip Thor, the Astros still have a deep enough farm system, although who knows with a new GM.

[@ekerson]

I still hate the Yankees more than the Astros

[@KorasiPKed]

@Thomas Lane ehhh you dont know that. if you actually trust the commissioner who said he looked into it (and is also a yankees fan) (x) doubt

[@iamhungey12345]

@Thomas Lane To be fair, there's a elephant in the room in a form of Beltran that I couldn't get over. That's something to be weary of.

[@mileskilometers9888]

What have the Yankees done wrong other than win and spend money 😂😂

[@iamhungey12345]

@@mileskilometers9888 Let's go!

[@gforce97]

@Thomas Lane hahaha, Roger Clemens, A-rod, Pettite, Jason Giambi

[@scarpfish]

1:53 if you're secure about the state of your pubic hair. You're welcome.

[@frankiesaupp9971]

Ight start placing bets now: how many teams will use a special "opener" whos like in single A ball just to drill an astro in the face and so that none of the teams top pitchers will get punished?

[@Wildstangs]

As a Houston raised Astros fan I’m not that surprised since my favorite football team NE always accused of cheating

[@fartymcfartson75]

We should just have a mlb where every pitch is a fastball and everyone takes nonstop steroids

[@qlvinc]

Carson Watkins lmao

[@bowenboyack2150]

You could’ve just said “It’s not” and I would’ve been satisfied

[@Pinball_Wizard]

Back when Jonathan Lucroy was with the Brewers, he said he was suspecting the Astros of even cheating then. As he’s a catcher and caught on to it quicker than anyone else. He said they weren’t in the game mentally, and also claimed that each time one of his teams pitchers had to go out and pitch they would have to be so locked in because Astros hitters would get good hits off them every now and then. He said it seemed too easy for them at some points and that this situation could have gone on far longer than we had suspected. And if you don’t believe me, when the MLB was informed about it, they took zero time to investigate it. By the way he talked about this at least 9 years ago.

[@bobheck7303]

Great story!

[@Pinball_Wizard]

Bob Heck thanks, if you want to learn more I can personally tell you my standpoint through other social media, and other stories. I’ve been to the Houston *Asterisks* home games before and away.

[@zcraft7]

Love your videos! Huge fan. Keep up the great work

[@edwardlinbeck8923]

As an Astros fan, I am disappointed to hear my team cheated. But it wasn’t the players fault. We still earned that title because there are a lot of talented players on that team. This comments section, like most of the MLB players right now, are giving hate to the team just to get attention. They all say different things from wanting to beat them to death threats. The City of Houston needed that title. Hurricane Harvey was devastating and a huge letdown to the city. And when the Astros won and we started getting back on our feet, we all felt good about our city. My house had been flooded up to the SECOND FLOOR in 59 inches of water that fell in less than 3 days. It was a very joyous time in my life to see my role models win and be happy for our city. All of that just to have the WS title stripped from our city when it wasn’t the people who played in the games’ faults. That was taking away many glorious moments in my life after a disaster. My father treated me to going to see them in person in game 5 of the WS. That was amazing staying up that late to see us win 13-12. All of that. Just gone. But the flood damage remains. People are gonna get hurt defending the Astros. The players will get hit by 100mph fastballs in the head in some games most likely. When it wasn’t their fault. Baseball fans and all people who know about this- leave us be.

[@edwardlinbeck8923]

Brian Dubowik the managers were using it to their advantage. The players were just going with it because they didn’t want to make the managers mad and lose their jobs.

[@bobheck7303]

@@edwardlinbeck8923 FOOLISHNESS AND NAIVETY!

[@drewberning1237]

I still hate the yankees more than the astros

[@drewberning1237]

@@stuffingedham pirate's fan?

[@patrickhiggins5970]

@@drewberning1237 Red sox fan

[@eltejano4721]

Same

[@yxudjdteush2281]

Twins fans aren’t even debating it FTY

[@BVBrocks927]

Hating because you are jealous of success is just cringe

[@jasonleetaiwan]

Systematic cheating without stripping the title is terrible for baseball. If I was just a casual fan, I would stay away from the sport because there is known cheating going on and the league doesn't truly care about it and actually helped cover it up. Baseball can get fans by being competitive and exciting for the right reasons but the Astros are bad for baseball. In Taiwan, throwing games became so common that people stopped watching the games. Cheating to win games is also just as bad and can make people stop watching because it isn't real baseball. I suspect the Astor's attendance and attendance in general will be lower in 2020 than 2019 because of this. That's the only way Manfred will get the message. He thinks he is protecting attendance and revenue, but he is actually hurting it.

[@jazzgod21]

"did the sign stealing help?". Didn't their BA plummet when they played away?

[@Arden2000]

If we get a new commissioner after all this the astros should get a second trophy

[@Yamisage94]

I mean I bought tickets to a White Sox game just to heckle Springer from the bleachers... so I suppose that says something lol

[@kartikeyagrenham7296]

Bruh all the astros starting players should be suspended for some games for such a disgraceful act in baseball

[@kartikeyagrenham7296]

Yo thanks five points

[@bobheck7303]

ABSOLUTELY!

[@neftheplant]

"This upcoming MLB season will be incredible" What MLB season

[@charleneschaffer3954]

nef xd

[@louispecceu2952]

Funny fact about that Fiers facial hair pic at 3:56 is that he did it for literally 1 game, pitched absolutely terrible, and immediately shaved it off. But cuz of the scandal it’s his most famous look 😂😂

[@hjonny0613]

I'm an astros fan and there have been plenty of people that asked why I'm still a fan. It's a stupid question. One, who else am I supposed to cheer for? Two, I've been cheering for them my whole life and I'm not just throwing that away cuz the staff and some players cheated. I've definitely lost respect but, they're still my team.

[@bobheck7303]

NO problem. Sad dumb though.

[@AshgabatKetchumov]

At least the Astros prevented the Yankees from reaching the World Series for a whole decade. Twice.

[@bobheck7303]

CHEATING SCUMBAGS!

[@WDB2005]

@@bobheck7303 easy on the caps dude

[@almightysosa3007]

I remember reading that’s sports illustrated cover and I was actually hyped to see them come up after being mediocre for so long. I didn’t expect it to go like that

[@alake448]

I thought the same thing. Not only that, but their Houston Strong slogan was everywhere that year because of Hurricane Harvey. I wanted them to win their first championship and I was glad when they won, basically rising from tragedy (Also, I hate the Dodgers with a burning passion).

[@almightysosa3007]

A Lake angels fan here, also hate dodgers with a burning passion, so I always love to watch a dodgers postseason loss.

[@alake448]

@@almightysosa3007 I swear too, if this year's world series is the Dodgers and Yankees, I'm abstaining from that nightmare of a series. (Also, I'm a Giants fan)

[@sushirs6770]

I almost cried when I realized my home team wasn’t having a series with the Astros this season. I was hoping to go scream bad words at them.

[@edwardlinbeck8923]

Sushi Rs which team is dat

[@sushirs6770]

@@edwardlinbeck8923 the Cardinals lol

[@mr.whatareyadoin889]

@@sushirs6770 the Cardinals can't say anything to the Astros after the hacking scandal that happened a little while back where the Cardinals had an employee who used to be with the Astros look through everything that the Astros had in their scouting data base and scouting reports with an old password

[@sushirs6770]

@@mr.whatareyadoin889 LMFAO nice comparison. fucking loser.

[@bobheck7303]

@@sushirs6770 DITTO!

[@coreyperdue1966]

I own 3 razors already but I'm tempted to get a manscaped just because how professional you and perna make those ads

[@kkrummelrhs]

For the first time in pro sports, we can prop bet retaliation against a team

[@jaleeldean8407]

The buzzing bandit lmao

[@christiancrispin7988]

I hope the home teams fans will chant “Houston Astericks” for every team Houston visits

[@bobheck7303]

BEAT THEIR SORRY ASS!

[@jaysonjr1224]

At 4:01 you can see like a black line running across his right side collar bone. Its a quick 3 second flash since he keeps flapping his jersey.

[@Gurkan8994]

They've taken back medals in the Olympics several times. They stripped Juventus of two league titles because of match fixing between 2004-2006 and relegated them to the second division. The way forward here is clear: strip Houston of their title, ban them from the draft for at least 2 seasons, suspend the players and higher ups involved for at least a full season. The fact that they're not stripping Houston of the World Series only serves to encourage this sort of behavior. As for the punishment they have received, it is absolutely pathetic.

[@Jacobthekid28]

6:58 Best part of the video 😂

[@Domanese]

Yeah I think its safe to say their legacy of failure is back on.

[@talesfromthetrip]

Baseball was my favorite sport as a kid, going to several Indians games a year. As I grew older I started to like basketball and then football. Basketball being at the top still, and baseball, as forgetful as you can imagine, but I still cared about the Indians. Ever since this cheating fiasco began, my eyes have been glued to videos on it and getting more and more information on what they were doing. I am so excited for this season to start and hopefully can get tickets to when the Astros come to Cleveland. I want to bang a trash can the whole time I'm there. Away crowds can really get the Astros players out of focus from the game if every fan did something to distract them. I don't wish harm on the players but I do wish they have a terrible season every season until this organization is with new players and others related to the team. So, it is good for baseball because I wouldn't of watched one game this season unless it was like 5 minutes of the world series or turn on the Indians for background noise. Now I have full attention to the sport.

[@rolyrod69]

This is your all time best video yet...

[@jacksonsummers506]

Manscaped ad is becoming my favorite thing in the video

[@SuperHero3]

Strip them of their World Series, give back the rings, let them play the season but even if they win 100 games they are not permitted to qualify for the playoffs. Regardless of player performance, no player is permitted to qualify for the all-star game , MVP, Cy Young, gold glove, silver slugger, or any other awards. Take away draft picks over three seasons. If they cheated for 3 seasons, this should be their punishment for 3 seasons.

[@bobheck7303]

Yes!

[@janklowicz24]

More guys getting hit by balls + more dugout clearing fights = Ka-Ching! Perhaps Vince McMahon should have started the XLB

[@alexcortez4346]

Joe Kelly got his pay back 🤣🤣

[@danteangotti5786]

Lmfao “the maple leafs and ummmmmm-“

[@janklowicz24]

If I didn't know better, I'd swear that Seattle cheerleader @5:33 was Stacy Kiebler

[@ibraheemrao8434]

Houston eliminated N.Y.Y from the playoffs three times between 2015-2019, 2015 WILD CARD GAME at N.Y.Y, 2017 and 2019 ALCS.

[@worldtraveler721]

I know. The Yankees cheated and Still lost. Lol!

[@KanbaruS4n]

I'd propose a name change for the Astros to pay off their sins to the baseball gods. They shall be named Houston Trashbangers

[@justsomemincedgarlic]

Yeah to be honest, this is the first baseball video i think i have ever watched, so i guess it is working.

[@mjcgreatness]

This is true. I’m not a baseball fan, but I’m fascinated by this scandal and will probably watch more baseball now lol

[@jayski4594]

That Leafs jab was incredible

[@hawker7488]

Yeah, that was just the icing on the cake.

[@Wyatt_Olson]

The good, the bad, and the ugly.

[@marks863]

2018 ALCS is hilarious in retrospect

[@mathewfullerton8577]

A politician letting loose a stupid scream is hardly a "scandal". Should have shown the picture of Hart with Rice sitting on his lap.

[@NeonBayProductions]

Astros: Implode and get exposed for cheating A’s: ( ͡o ͜ʖ ͡o)

[@8thsinn]

Kurt Angle's theme should be played every time the Astro's take the field on the road.

[@ryansmith1044]

YOU SUCK! YOU SUCK! YOU SUCK! YOU SUCK!

[@im_waffles2920]

Yes. I agree that it’s GREAT for the MLB.

[@valenpieri]

10:11 most importantly

[@thescotslair]

Ya know it sucks when you were born in Houston and your team, who you thought were legit, weren't

[@bobheck7303]

SHITSTORM!

[@shavturtle1213]

“The maple leahmymmmmm”😂😂😂

[@ibrahimjuwara9441]

Knowing what your opponent is going to throw is like seeing your opponent naked

[@chaschas3199]

It's brought attention, but this mess is NOT good for baseball.

[@Mulesw2017]

Now I wonder if I'm going to be rooting more for my Padres to have a winning season OR more Astros beanings!

[@thomaspaquette9991]

I’m an avid baseball fan and I’ve been thinking to myself I can’t wait for that first Astro game on the road vs. the A’s. Fiers will almost definitely pitch in the series so there should be some bad blood going both directions. It’s setting up to be an interesting season. To think it all culminates with the lifting of a piece of metal!

[@bobheck7303]

WIN FOR FIERS!

[@WizKhaliba]

Do you end your ad with the these eyes instrumental. Or at least a version of it?

[@iamhungey12345]

I bet if the whole thing had been known before the WS began, the ratings would have been higher, especially with how the Nats won it in the end. It'd rival Superb Owl 42.

[@DwayneIsKing]

The people I feel sorry for the most (besides the Dodgers organization) is the true fans of the Astros. Now everytime they tell someone who their team is, they're gonna get some disgusted looks

[@frederickthegreatpodcast382]

Ha! Imagine having a 2020 baseball season

[@brody10123]

Something bringing attention isn’t the same thing as something being good for the game

[@retro_gamer8587]

Watching this now, this video rings especially true since the Asterisks won it again this year. Funnily enough, one of the players was caught using an illegal bat during game 1. Oh well. Love the videos Five. Let's hope a different team wins it all in NBA, NFL, and NHL this year.

[@bryson1482]

Breakable bat that offer no competitive advantage, cope harder hater

[@owen__winters1423]

Bold predictions for the MLB season 1. The Reds make the playoffs 2. The NL MVP isn’t from the Dodgers or named Christian Yelich 3. The National miss on the playoffs

[@Pika250]

Saying this is akin to saying that people cheating by bringing hacked Pokémon to Pokémon VGCs (especially if they admit to using something like Pokémon Showdown just to hack them in) is good for Pokémon as an esport. It needed to be exposed as a scandal, like this was.

[@deiiyulol1407]

im one of those guys who never had interest in baseball but as a person who loves competitive sports... I boo the astros

[@Sharks4Cup408]

More like Good for the A's and I'm perfectly OK with that.

[@BroadswordMedia]

For some reason I never really thought of it that way.not to mention the Patriots were caught cheating with spygate in 2007 and then they went on to be undefeated and lose the Superbowl but the NFL did great that year.

[@mattshipley182]

The reason why I don’t care about this Astros scandal is because MLB knew about this for quite some time and did nothing until Fiers went public with it

[@mikemoore5263]

Best one yet!!

[@ianharper3213]

The best ad plug ever

[@avery465]

To be fair. I wasn't watching baseball before. And I'm still not watching it. 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️ But the scandal is sooooo interesting

[@michaelmacaraig2841]

When the bad guys rule, the people watch for them to fall. That's the reason why Honky Tonk Man held the Intercontinental title for a record 14 months.

[@chatonmignon4316]

When we open the history book, we shall see is an asterisk. The Astros Asterisk. And that story will be told to our grandchildren and grand-grandchildren. Just like the 1919 Black Sox. Epic.

[@bobheck7303]

@Daniel Treadwell IT'S WORSE DICKHEAD!

[@bobheck7303]

@Daniel Treadwell STAY STUPID RE-TREAD.

[@dreed9838]

Its good because people are going to watch baseball just to see pitchers level the Astros

[@vicisaiah8861]

I think they didn’t steal signs against my white Sox because they thought they would win. They got their ass whooped and they couldn’t hit Giolito with a tree trunk

[@Cynthionic]

wish this news would have came out pre 2019 post season, would have been incredible narrative for the wild card team to beat the big evil cheating Astros, plus 2019 was an incredible postseason on its own, but adding the narrative would have made it legendary

[@vinx342]

Astros in every road game will be full with boo's and they deserve it

[@ronstewart7890]

That Leafs crack was just hurtful, lol

[@filanfyretracker]

Speaking of the Yankees, I wonder how NYC is going to handle A-Rod wanting to buy the Mets.

[@thughes3802]

The Maple leafs and umm 😂😂😂

[@bucwhovian8305]

Can you do an update to your “Save the Kickoff” video to include the XFL’s idea?

[@GamingWithGino]

At 4:21 do you mean slugs or thugs? 😒

[@1955DodgersBrooklyn]

every story needs a good villain