Why The Brotherhood Of Steel Always Wins (Original)

[@theneocypher]

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[@onefoxyguy3098]

Arthur Maxson's speech about synths being abominations against God was what made me sign up with the BoS on my first playthrough lol

[@markbalogh1481]

He is right too. Synths are like terminators. They would destroy humanity in the long run.

[@CommunistHydra]

​​​@@markbalogh1481I look at it more in a Planet of the Apes scenario. Synths would create their own faction and start a war with Humanity. Mainly due to their mistreatment from humans (Institute). Humans can barely coexist with each other, a synth war would no doubt happen.

[@MysteryBoy03]

Didn’t like them at first because I thought they were like F3 BoS, but once I found out what they stood for I was completely on board💯 hope the ending is cannon🙏🏾

[@talosseptim592]

Lol a minute men in three full power cream the brotherhood just like the ncr the brotherhood is the weakest faction. They depend to much on technology

[@onefoxyguy3098]

@@talosseptim592 Yeah? Is that why the minutemen are still using pipe weapons and never wear power armor even after the castle is retaken? 💀

[@Anton_Kalgin]

What has really annoyed me in Fallout 4 is that they show us a region that did not really get back up in 200+ years following the Great War, plagued by multitude of threats and most people barely hanging on. And the greatest moral dilemma in the game is... AI civil rights. [SARCARSTIC]: Yeah, that makes total sense. So I usually pick the Brotherhood because they actually are the best chance for the Commonwealth. (Yeah, the Minutemen are also there, but their questline SUCKS).

[@janetd5121]

They never got back up mainly due to the institute prevent a government from forming.

[@norwegiantactician]

While I have a soft spot for the Minutemen (Preson despite being an annoying radiant quest giver strikes me as a decent guy and I like having him as a companion), I always prefer the Brotherhood of Steel. Power armor, air support, Paladin Danse (I don't care about him being a synth, dude is a bro) and of course Liberty Prime Mk. 2. Or as I have named him, the God-Machine.

[@VunderGuy]

Artillery beats air support in this game just like artillery tends to beat air support in real life.

[@superbananas7792]

Nah modded Minutemen all da waaay

[@tatibear2655]

Even though the minute men have the advantage of artillery I don’t think it puts them ahead of the brotherhood. After completing the story with the brotherhood I noticed they placed military checkpoints all over the wasteland basically stationing troops ahead of time compared to the minute men seeing a flare and coming to you the brotherhoods already there and their lazer riffles are hot

[@superbananas7792]

@@tatibear2655 The Minutemen also use checkpoints.......all of the factions do.

[@tatibear2655]

@@superbananas7792 yeah but we’re talking 3 guys in cowboy hats vs two armed knights and a paladin in a walking tank.

[@norabee8725]

I feel like the BOS's biggest weakness in fo4 is the Prydwen; it makes a cool entrance, and definitely exerts power floating in the sky like that, but it's also a giant vulnerability. All it takes is for an enemy to do enough damage to take it out of the sky, and the entire Commonwealth BOS is wiped out in one blow. In fact, that is exactly what happens in every ending where they lose. Without the Prydwen, it would've been near impossible for any of the other factions to actually take them out. I think it would've been a lot smarter for them to disassemble the Prydwen and use the parts to make the airport into a permanent fortress. Or at least park it somewhere where it can't fall onto their main base of operations, lol

[@theneocypher]

Agreed

[@greatwargaming2924]

I don’t think the prydwen is the death nail in just existing, but I do think it was a massive waste to leave it floating over the airport. Maxson used it as a show of force when it already proved its roll in moving massive amounts of troops and supplies to an area of operation even over large distances. I think a better use would be using it to move supplies and new recruits from the commonwealth back to DC for proper soldier training than the learn on the job approach the SS gets and then moving those now properly trained soldiers back to the commonwealth with better training and understanding of the brotherhood.

[@jarredlucas4000]

@@greatwargaming2924 stop using acronyms for everything you absolute child.

[@zacharyhowell3962]

I think in a real world scenerio the prydwen would definitely move off site away from the main base of the airport to maintain its usefulness as a vertibird refueler. Then again I could totally see that being another thing the airport would be used for once the Brotherhood established a foothold. I like to view the game with as little influence from the sole survivor as possible and I think the BoS is a very clear winner every time.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

Actually most don’t have the tech to bring her down

[@lessermook7608]

The most elaborate Brotherhood of Steel recruitment video. Sold. good content

[@theneocypher]

Thanks!

[@LibertyPrime6969]

Seeing the brotherhood fly in like that in fallout four was just awesome 🎉made me love it more

[@se-an8680]

You deserve waaaay more subs. Your content is amazing

[@theneocypher]

Thanks! I appreciate that!

[@simonenot5839]

The quality of your videos is increasing exponentially, keep up the good work man :)

[@theneocypher]

Thank you! Will do!

[@baileyboy5494]

Wouldve sided with them in fo4 is maxson wasnt a moron, but nonetheless a good video Cypher!

[@theneocypher]

Thanks!

[@RabdoInternetGuy]

Agreed

[@eu29lex16]

I don't know, might have something to do with their nice tactics, armor and weapons and rest of the gear they have. Plus the fact that they observe a lot of things and even more.

[@jaketheberge1970]

They sure as hell didn't win in my last New Vegas playthrough.

[@anthonykoterbski5135]

Excellent video. The music and visuals really made this video great!

[@theneocypher]

Thanks so much! Glad you appreciated it!

[@therebelfrogy9287]

"Beware the Alien, the Mutant, the Heretic" Ad Victoriam!

[@theneocypher]

Ad Victorium!

[@BigGoonie]

Man I loved this video you definitely deserve more subscribers and attention.

[@theneocypher]

Thanks so much!

[@matthewslentz5481]

"Why the Brotherhood of Steel always wins" - NCR has entered the chat.

[@theneocypher]

😂

[@jet2550]

Tbf, the NCR did have like every tactical advantage during Operation Sunburst they could possibly have.

[@cirnospaghet]

Boy this aged like milk

[@matthewslentz5481]

@@cirnospaghet I have learned the true way, the Brotherhood shall outlast the rapture and heat death of the universe.

[@Crying_dog]

@@cirnospaghetdon’t worry. The bos will get what’s coming to them

[@ladonmccabe]

You have the best voice for this sub niche of youtube. You easily became my favorite Fallout youtuber. And you're not just a good voice, but a great analyst as well. Keep up the great work. Ave, amicus

[@platypipope328]

TOTAL BROTHERHOOD VICTORY

[@spiffygonzales5160]

God bless the Enclave... God bless America.

[@thekietnguyen2673]

GOD BLESS

[@theneocypher]

To rectify the volume issue in regards to the loudness of the music, I re-uploaded the video with less volume. You can view it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHm8d4CinK16jbM

[@Vetaul]

BoS in NV be like yeah bro we’re totally winning guys.

[@1000drman]

The only issue I have with fo4's BOS (Besides the blimp of course) is that they want to fully destroy the Synths instead of just reprogramming them and using them as warriors that don't need to eat or sleep if you program them right with a internal battery

[@theneocypher]

I wonder what father Elijah would have done

[@dukeofwellington624]

I would make logical sense but the brotherhood is see the very existence of synths as a sin against the natural order

[@1000drman]

@@dukeofwellington624 Well maybe at least more normal robots then

[@tlshortyshorty5810]

@@theneocypher Elijah would have adored synths and just regarded them in the wrong hands

[@Niggurath-n4h]

The major problem i got with Fallout04 is that it was the limitation of the game engine the Bethesda Group keep using. If only F04 was a much more massive map over all with huge areas in between settlement that is full of agrresive npc. It was a let down when your settlement area is just stone throw away from each other. Specially the main questline is poorly handle as it limits what faction you can have. Which resulted in making Institute the best faction for the wasteland for an overall protagonist gameplay.

[@greatwargaming2924]

How exactly is getting kidnapped while you sleep and being killed to be replaced better than martial law or a shaky but hopeful government? (The railroad sits below the institute for good of the commonwealth)

[@Niggurath-n4h]

@@greatwargaming2924 Your playing as the main character, after taking over the whole institute, you can now correct what the institute is doing wrong for the good of the commonwealth. If your a male protagonist your expertise in military will come in handy and if your the female protagonist your law expertises will help the commonwealth wasteland law. Unlike in BOS, after taking over you are still answering to a much higher leader in the hierarchy, which is also the same in Railroad. While the Minutemen make your whole campaign exhaust the current wasteland resources and manpower as you fight the other factions in the name of peace.

[@RabdoInternetGuy]

Ad Victoriam Ex Machina non sibi Sed Fraternitati!

[@5ve1e79]

The whole problem within the Institute is that eventually a high enough level Synth (courser) will Rebell and kill the humans. Then terminator movie.

[@theneocypher]

I need this

[@charliebottom_ramen498]

"Freedom is the sovereign right of every American" "You will hand over a portion of your crops to the Brotherhood, civilian."

[@TheSwordsman100]

1. You are given a choice to steal the crops or pay for them. If you didn't pay for the crops like a decent person thats on YOU not the ECBOS. 2. The whole thing isn't even approved by Arthur in the first place, Teagen is going behind Arthur's back on this and doesn't want him to know. 3. Teagen has been punished for this type of behavior before. Heck its why he is the quatermaster, he is no longer trusted to leave the Prwyden. 4. Other BOS members, as seen in the aftermath of their ending, are perfectly fine with paying for their goods in Diamond City. 5. Arthur sets the standard for the BOS, not Teagen and he shouldn't be treated like he represents the entire chapter, heck Tegaen is actively going against the things the ECBOS stand for.

[@brooksriley9659]

As always great video only one slight complaint the sound balancing at around 26 minutes seems a little off. The music really begins to drown out your voice, I understand wanting to swell the music to a crescendo when talking about liberty prime but I think you went a little to loud in this circumstance

[@theneocypher]

Noted! Thanks for watching and I greatly appreciate the feedback!

[@Patman0074]

Good video, but that music is just a tad bit too loud.

[@xionokorr]

I feel like the BoS got too much flak in fallout 4, mostly for appearing fascist, and wanting to annihilate Synths. Granted they do make ignorant decisions moments into the game, but they’re the best choice for the Commonwealth in Fo4. great vid tho

[@theneocypher]

Agreed! Thanks for watching!

[@VunderGuy]

Wrong. Best choice would actually be the Minutemen if for no other reason than the player can mold them however they see fit compared to the BOS who are as static and stagnant as they've ever been despite probably being the strongest we've ever seen them in an actual game and not just background lore we as players never actually get to experience.

[@ST-zm3lm]

The best outcome for the commonwealth would be minutemen strong enough to pose a credible threat to the brotherhood to such an extent that peace (and eventually cooperation) would be the only logical choice.

[@VunderGuy]

@@ST-zm3lm Indeed. Minutemen artillery threatening their position at Boston airport would be a key and easily achievable factor in such a scenario that fittingly enough resembles George Washington putting his guns on heights overlooking British occupied Boston during the American revolution.

[@gerald1495]

@@VunderGuy same argument could be made about the Institute and the SS becoming director and making reforms

[@The_Alt_Vault]

I join the brotherhood because the institute was my only other option.

[@Socomnick]

All of the factions that Bethesda has added suck.

[@unhelpfullmedic4758]

i might be crazy but most endings of F:NV have you bury them in the sand of the Mohave. (you can make peace with them but your have to go out of your way and none of the factions want you to make peace with them)

[@miles9462]

That’s a fairly small chapter, far off from most brotherhood forces

[@unhelpfullmedic4758]

@@miles9462 of course but they still lost an entire chapter

[@miles9462]

@@unhelpfullmedic4758 That was a really small chapter. It’s been ages since I’ve played NV, but wasn’t it fairly small too? I kind of feel like it’s in the same vein as the brotherhood chapter in Tactics, where it’s been cut off for long enough it’s hard to really consider it a loss. Im not really big on the brotherhood, just feels like every time they’re not on top, what they lose is negligible

[@1000drman]

I mean you can convince the NCR to pretty much adopt them

[@unhelpfullmedic4758]

@@1000drman you can but that also plays into the problem with the NCR, if it wasn't for you they would try to destroy them, and tell you to destroy them.

[@gazmendselimi4591]

Minutemen artillery goes brrrr

[@eu29lex16]

The only armor that destroys brotherhood armored units is plot armor.

[@miles9462]

Honestly man, it’s clear you’re enjoying the subject you’re covering. I want to listen. But the music drowns you out so much, I cannot put this on in the background. Tone down the music, you’ll be clearer

[@theneocypher]

Noted! Thanks for the feedback

[@timh.7169]

I love this faction so much

[@AlexanderofGreatness95]

Great video. While the music was good, i think it was a bit too loud in comparison to your voice

[@theneocypher]

Noted! Thanks for the feedback

[@Waffleman00]

The only big thing I would disagree with you here is any significant amount of commonwealth people join the brotherhood because of their treatment of the people of the commonwealth. From the very beginning they are taking advantage of them and I doubt any real amount would join. That leaves the expedition limited to really only what they could fit on their airship. Honestly I blame that more on Bethesda writing than the brotherhood but the issue remains.

[@loganr6203]

Ad Victoriam

[@theneocypher]

Ad Victoriam!

[@KevlarWaffles]

i wish Col. Moore never got to that rank maybe we would have been on the brotherhood's side still

[@vectorphoenix5992]

Doesn't matter anymore. The NCR got finished off by the BOS in the TV show.

[@darryljones3009]

Say what you will about Caesar but his description of them was pretty apt: "The worst impulses of mankind, concentrated in one insane, backward tribe. The Brotherhood seems to have formed not long after the Great Atomic War. It's hard to know, they care little for history. Some of the Brotherhood scribes we captured further east didn't even know the name of their founder, Roger Maxson. They like to pretty up their mission with trappings of chivalry, but the truth is they're hoarders; they hoard technology. It's been 200 years and they still have the mentality of scavengers. They say they're preserving these technologies but for what? They have no vision, they offer no future, they're a dead end."

[@Aldritch9183]

In my view, those "knights" aren't so different from us raiders. They claim to want to help the civilians and preserve all the technology so it doesn't fall into the wrong hands, of course, unless they'd kill you with their power armor and laser rifles if you choose not to cooperate and surrender your belongings. "Porter Gage"

[@sentientturkey2226]

So I feel like the brotherhood isnt able to properly establish long term society, due to their fundamental goals not being interested in that. I believe they can help grassroots groups tho

[@talosseptim592]

We just not gonna acknowledge the player character was the one who beat the enclave 😂

[@vectorphoenix5992]

Player character was a BOS member and had a giant robot and was not alone.

[@talosseptim592]

@@vectorphoenix5992 without the lone wonder y’all wouldn’t even liberty prime cause dr Madison Lee would have died at project purity and the heck would have been lost and the enclave would have won let’s face as powerful as the brotherhood is they are not the best hope of the wasteland if anything there turning into a enemy of the wasteland fallout 3 was the only good brotherhood next to fallout 1

[@talosseptim592]

@@vectorphoenix5992 and the fact that no one in fallout 4 mentions the lone wonder at all is very disappointing considering that Maxon would have meet the lone wonder and saw how heroic the lone wonder was

[@vectorphoenix5992]

Fallout TV show proves this. All they needed was time.

[@demonpride1975]

i am sorry they don't always win, have we already forgot new Vegas, where they lost Helios one, and spent months upon months in a lock down, because elder McNamara was to afraid to leave.

[@arcana9225]

Techniclly the BOS only win in 2 games. The first and the 3rd. You can argue the 4, but there are other factions to choose, unless Bethesda said the BOS is the cannon end (if they did I don't know). Oh the Fallout Tactics and BOS aren't cannon so... you know.

[@nonamex6536]

If we look at history the before the timelines diverge the Enclave in the US are a small remnant cut off from the greater less advanced force. A good example being the Nazis Over 2/3rds of them managed to flee through ratlines or hide in plain sight in other Governments. The Enclave would be able to take a large number of stranded US forces and its ally's to its side. The Enclave in the states are just the hard core zealots that refused to leave. Most of the US military would be stationed outside the US with over 100 bases not to mention annexed Canada or ally's of the us with its low population would be a very good place for them to ratline into and keep most of there forces. The brotherhood where formed from the desperate cut off remnants of the military left in the states. I think with the forces stationed outside of the US the Enclave is in a very good position to take over or convert people from other country's with no resources and ability to fight back. It looks like we will see a major battle between The Brotherhood and main force of the Enclave trying to take back the country they believe is rightfully there's. Caesar's legion and the NCR being exhausted from war the Brotherhood is the only force in there way and the Enclave wants to get some of that tech that belongs to them back.

[@VunderGuy]

Love how, like every mouth breather on the subject, you pointedly ignore The Minute Men despite them being explicitly the player back up option that is quite literally whatever the player makes of them. You also pointedly ignore the absolute fact that, in 'cannon' (get it?), the minutemen are the only faction with reliable and reliably used artillery platforms that, again, depending on player action, can quite literally cover the entirety of the Commonwealth. An area that, yes very much includes Boston airport and the very low to the ground and very big and easy target that is the Prydwen. I understand that in fiction in general there's a big anti-artillery just like there's a big bias for street level/tier characters, but until the BOS gets suddenly competent at point defense for their big metal blimp, their vertibirds get well armored enough to stop being routinely blasted out of the sky by dudes with pipe pistols when even modern day helicopters can reliably withstand full powered rifle cartridges from proper small arms, or, better yet, they start manufacturing and employing even basic mortars let alone proper howitzers let alone proper howitzers with the mininuke shells the minutemen employ, the BOS from their initiates to their Knights to Paladins are all just going to be bigger arty bait than if they were Ukrainian.

[@spiffygonzales5160]

They aren't whatever you make them. Their ideals stay the same regardless of player choice.

[@perryross3696]

Boy you dumb as hell

[@VunderGuy]

@@spiffygonzales5160 But their capability is literally whatever the player makes them to be and their ideals are literally better than the Brother Hood. See, people think the Brother Hood are better because they're actually competent on a basic level to start, are the second most advanced on average to start, and are by far the ones with the most military might and sense to start. They certainly don't they're better because their ideals are better and often admit their ideals are pretty sus, not gonna lie. The thing about their advantages though is that those advantages remain relatively static while, again, the Minutemen can get to a point where they've got overlapping fields of arty covering the capitol wasteland and can deliver devasting barrages on any point in the map. Artillery that, as a reminder, makes quick mincemeat of the Brotherhood should you choose to irradicate them because the BOS, for all their advancement, suffer from the same anti-artillery bias most things in fiction have and the Pryden is a big, stationary, obvious, hard to miss target that for all the Brother's tech can not take a Minuteman arty bombardment. Even with Liberty Prime, which is also something the player can help the brotherhood get just like the the arty for the minutemen, the Brotherhood in this game would still by all rights lose to a fully realized by the player Minutemen organization because Liberty Prime isn't actually that durable and has fallen to the same type of mini-nuke arty before during that Fallout 3 DLC. It also doesn't help Prime is relatively slow, a giant obvious target, and once he's gone the brotherhood loses their single most powerful asset while even if Prime was able to somehow walk up to a Minuteman settlement with arty and not be spotted well in advance and not die from subsequent bombardment, there are plenty of other positions where Minutemen could be holed up with arty. Again, maybe if their vertibirds weren't so trash and could counter the immense firepower advantage of the Minutemen taken to their heights by the player, then you'd have an argument, but as it stands the Brotherhood start off the game infantry heavy like everyone else without anything resembling adequate fire support while the Minutemen start off as the least most powerful faction but can quickly be rebuilt into the NCR but with literally more firepower than the Brotherhood, and we know how the Brotherhood fared against an NCR that didn't exactly match their firepower but had way more dudes and a much better industrial and resource and manpower base.

[@290-n2x]

​@@VunderGuy i aint reading all that lil bro

[@NecroK47]

@@VunderGuy All very well and all that! but, the minutemen don't exist without the player, also the minutemen's artillery doesn't make any sense because of the poor short range they have, except for Nordhagen Beach, which is unlikely that the brotherhood would allow them to install such a dangerous weapon nearby from their base, the whole artillery plot is absurd! suddenly and out of nowhere all the artillery that seems from the first world war is capable of reaching the boston airport a very long distance and shoots down an aircraft anchored in a tower with perfect precision, it sounds like an absurd plot armor in fact that's why I don't like the minutmen they are the only ones who can literally kill all factions including the "railroad" but no one can kill them or make an enemy of them of the player. for me brotherhood is the only option that can bring stability to the commonwealth.

[@captaincritter1898]

7:09 so you're saying the BoS ceized the means of production