Why the Fallout Show is a Horrifying Disaster | EFAP Highlight

[@CadmeanLotus]

>Nagasaki and Hiroshima get nuked >Japan still exists >Shady Sands gets nuked >Entire NCR faction deleted from existence forever Bravo, Bethesda.

[@frankdevo5715]

Seems like the NCR was already declining when Shady Sands was nuked.

[@coughsyrupconnoisseur]

I’ma be honest, I feel like the NCR was on the verge of collapse by the end of the events of New Vegas anyway. it’s logical it could’ve happened regardless of the canonical ending of NV, whatever it may be, but that also doesn’t mean those settlements that made up the NCR aren’t still around. perhaps just the federal government collapsed

[@dawndarklight44]

somehow chain of command is broken and the Industrialized Nation state has no more radios or trucks.

[@putinslittlehacker4793]

They built in the doofinsmirts self destruct buttion into everything they made

[@Notsogoodguitarguy]

Could it be that, in this version of Fallout, NCR was already falling apart, and the bomb just sealed its fate?

[@figuures6098]

Just remember that Lucy’s vault is located fairly close to mariposa and the master, and is fairly easy to locate, so all of Lucy’s friends and loved ones should be FEV dipped super mutants by the time the show takes place

[@generights]

Yep same for vault 4 with the cyclops

[@theliato3809]

This is set right around new Vegas. By this point mariposa is a filled in hole and the master had an herod himself generations ago

[@caseyhudson4929]

@@theliato3809 Keep up man, the Master was raiding any vault he could find to kidnap "pure" humans for experimentation with FEV. They're saying this vault shouldn't exist in the state it does in the show *retroactively* because the Master would have found them, I mean the vault door is on open display for everyone to see. Lucy's ancestors should be muties and she would never have been born.

[@Toliman.]

It is conspired/broken, but, there is a timeline in which they probably invested the master/Fo1 lore as the Vault 4 shenanigans about FEV exposure. It is something to consider as to what Bethesda thinks happened after fallout 1 and 2, because the show needs to know where locations are, what’s going to happen next and the general factions in the area. Makes you wonder why the New California Republic had to disappear… all those republicans in California that became blood worshippers. It would have also affected the other factions that had vested interests in science / vault tec resources on the California coast and Mexico etc. There could have been a plot reason for the change ie one of the vaults managed to defend against the Master,ie perhaps used a GECK against the FEV exposure. One deus ex machina versus another deus ex machina. The lore of vault 31-33 could be that they had reset the entire population of the vaults after that disaster, given they were exposed / compromised. And had help with resetting the population with help from another vault being evacuated or connected for security. It begs so many questions about what Bethesda thinks about the old lore problems in the west coast, given that 3 & 4 are vastly separated from the NCR that should have persisted, even if the “home” city was nuked.

[@clintthrustmaster]

​@@theliato3809 You're right, the Master was doing this around over 100 years ago. So Lucy shouldn't actually exist because her ancestors should have been all turned into FEV dipped super mutants.

[@GoblinKnightLeo]

The funniest part about the "armor-piercing" excuse for me is that New Vegas is the only game with an ammuntion type mechanic.

[@soulsearcher9620]

4 technically has that with the armour piercing receiver variant for the weapon mod system. An altered version that keeps it as a consistent presence on the gun until you swap receivers as opposed to NV where you hotkey ammo switch. Same end result, one just allows hotswapping. I like both tbh.

[@critespranberry8872]

Everyone has used Weaponsmith Extended so much they forgot it wasn't a standard part of fallout 4 XD

[@adamtesseract5697]

Fallout, fallout 2, and Fallout Tactics also had ammo mechanics...

[@GoblinKnightLeo]

@@soulsearcher9620 that's not what the show does, though.

[@GoblinKnightLeo]

@@adamtesseract5697 I played Fallout 1 and I don't remember that.

[@TNTspaz]

It very much rings true that the majority of the general audience doesn't care about writing and this show solidified that for me entirely

[@philswift8793]

Yeah, the community kinda forgets that sometimes. Saying the Fallout show is a disaster when it's been very well received and become very popular, driving new people to the games, seems silly. Badly written, sure, but the show was a success.

[@GoofierClock]

​@philswift8793 Yeah, but it also does prove Satan is definitely the god of this world

[@philswift8793]

@@GoofierClock man we ain't ever beating the always negative allegations

[@Gakusangi]

It makes it feel like efforts to raise the bar are utterly pointless at this point. I recommend everyone start putting in their resumes as writers, apparently it requires ZERO effort to get paid for it.

[@Paul-bs5wl]

@@philswift8793 It's perfectly justified for EFAP to call it a disaster. Their standard has NEVER been commercial success or general audience reception. Their standard has always been writing quality based, and the show is absolutely a disaster by that standard.

[@selly-ssrb]

Even if the Fallout show doesn't retcon New Vegas, it does say horrific things for the future of the franchise. If it _did_ retcon New Vegas, it would be _worse,_ but this is still _really bad_ - a nuke to a _road_ in New Vegas would have 'cut the throat' of the NCR, so their capital becoming a crater means NCR's either basically or actually done for. If they'd built up compelling drama around NCR consuming itself, that could've been a good season, that could have been something - it would have built upon the gradual corruption and seemingly approaching collapse which we were seeing where it last left off. But instead Bethesda dropped an extinction bomb on old Fallout, in essence. What _was_ cannot exist. New civilizations emerging after the end of the world aren't going to be a thing. We've been stuck in the Brotherhood getting bigger and bigger, and the Enclave coming back over and over - both despite all reason pointing in the opposite direction - for a decade and a half. But where once it seemed the West Coast would at least continue to exist as something other than that, even if it was never touched again, now that's no longer so. Where once there was a hope that maybe the setting would be allowed to have something that went somewhere, even if it was far away, the show is de facto confirmation that Fallout is stagnant and homogeneous, and always will be. Things can't rise out of the ashes, because that would mean no more rolling around in those ashes with power armor, super mutants, nuka-cola and raiders. Which is apparently what some people want.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Unfortunately, most of the fans of Bethesda’s Fallout are like Knight Titus.

[@Lunartic_]

Nuking Shady Sands wouldn't destroy NCR in the slightest. They have multiple cities under their control. NCR presence should be everywhere.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@Lunartic_ They control the entirety of California and parts of several other states. It's like saying that the United States would collapse because someone nuked Philadelphia.

[@theliato3809]

@@Lunartic_Bethesda implied during new Vegas that the ncr is suffering from a lack of unity

[@selly-ssrb]

@@Lunartic_ Correct! It certainly _wouldn't_ immediately destroy them. I'd be quite the fool if I made that argument. But what we know points to this being the death knell for NCR. It is not _destroyed,_ but it has been dealt a serious wound which it logically follows it would not, or could not, recover from. Remember that NCR's weakness is its sprawling and interconnected nature: it's everywhere, but it's very weak to one or more of its pieces being damaged or wiped off the map. This is shown and stated multiple times in-canon - New Vegas illustrates this well, and its conclusion has the player outright stating it (with high Speech). Again, it would have had its throat cut by losing _one_ major road (see Ulysses' plan - which one might dismiss as the ramblings of a crazy man, until it's stated to do catastrophic damage to NCR by the narrator). It logically follows that a similar effect would reasonably result from a major city, particularly the most important one, being turned into a crater. NCR has its heads cut off. Its blood might still be technically pumping, but reason points to it withering, as a domino chain of dependent communities losing what they relied on causes rapid decay. Not everyone would have relied directly on Shady Sands, but the people who do now don't have what they need, and that means they don't have as much - or possibly anything - to offer to other communities, who relied on _those,_ who relied on those, and so on, so on. Bethesda could say "nah, let's not do what makes sense" and make NCR come back bigger, better, and stronger, as we've seen with the Brotherhood and Enclave, but this would be - again - _really, really bad._ It's also, I think, unlikely - we've exclusively seen east-coast material from Bethesda, with the exception of this show. The pattern we've seen points to this being the last we'll see or hear of the west coast.

[@VoiceAnon]

My biggest problem with the show is that it has been declared canon to the Fallout setting as a whole. I am not a movie or TV guy, but I am a lore guy. If it was standalone, I wouldn't care about the show, but already, the Fallout wikis have been changed to reflect the inconsistent and poor writing it has. It is retroactively making the games and setting worse, and for that, I despise it. It's great that people enjoy it, and I have nothing against the people that do, but it genuinely feels awful watching something you love be actively made worse.

[@Imfphas20]

I agree. I am not bothered by the Halo show in the least for that reason. It's not canon, but this rubbish Fallout show is

[@Sorain1]

Yup. If they said "This is an alternate timeline." they would have dodged so many problems.

[@felixjohnson3874]

Wait... they're calling it canon?! How in the fuck do you manage to delude yourself into that?! I know fuck all about fallout but that show just gets basic logic wrong. Oh yeah the evil capitalists *_nuked the entire fucking country, destroying all of their assets, making their money worthless, killing hundreds of millions, (lowball, potentially billions but I don't recall how wide spread the nuclear war was)_* for... why exactly? No seriously, why the fuck? You can get away with that BS in a lighter spin off but christ trying to make logic that incoherent into official canon is like asking a politician to not infringe on your rights.

[@garfunkle143]

It’s the Star Wars effect of “destroying the old so you have nothing to compare the new too”

[@diamondheadify-v5i]

We know all too well already that Bethesda has no care for the Fallout lore, seeing how many times they retcon it to justify making their shitty games and now this show. So why do you care if they declare the show canon? That's a load of bullcrap and you know it. Stick to your headcanon and be proud that yours is much more coherent, consistent, and well-preserved than the "official" lore mangled by Bethesda.

[@yoyothemanman]

What annoys me about shows like these is that they can never exist in a vacuum. Of course, a shitty Fallout show is released, and out of the 6 games they have to base (and eventually fuck up) the lore with, they choose everyone's favorite- New Vegas. Why is this such a trend? How do they fuck up so well, so consistently?

[@tsusmildrides4937]

There are 8 Fallout Games

[@nothingwrong2293]

They aren't self aware. Also they fucked up F1's lore even worse than NV's

[@Lunartic_]

​@@nothingwrong2293They fucked all the lore they could find to fuck

[@Gakusangi]

And the retcons feel malicious, especially with the New Vegas content.

[@MrHinchapelotas]

They will only fuck up the games you like because they can't milk goodwill from games nobody likes.

[@uhagi6720]

HALO gave people so much PTSD that people genuinely believe that the Fallout show has incredible writing in comparison. Its even worse considering how large the wasteland is, yet the same group of people continue to encounter each other consistantly.

[@gaymercyder1742]

You have a 1 in intelligence?

[@whateverkat8122]

@@gaymercyder1742?

[@kernelofficial]

@@gaymercyder1742 That's just mean

[@Snoozytube]

That's true honestly. Fallout show is a 7 imo but definitely makes it look like a masterpiece in comparison

[@antoniobrown247]

​@Snoozytube fallout show is most definitely not a 7. Wtf were you watching? The show is a 3 at best. They changed the lore and world building so bad. The dialogs were absolutely trash and written by a 15yr old. The characters aren't even interesting and make dumb decisions. This show and halo proves why if you don't care about the IP, please don't adapt it. The world doesn't even look like Fallout, everything has a clean filter to it. We didn't even see super mutants or average creatures like radscorpion. Seriously don't care how you feel, but your taste is absolutely terrible.

[@ninatomamon5630]

I think the low standards are affecting entertainment a lot. A trash adaptation with cheap cosplays is already considered "a faithful adaptation" It is evident that the average consumer is not very demanding or bright

[@Sokko325]

Reminds me of the whole RLM/Kenobi thing.

[@someshambler5536]

So glad I don't pay money for these streaming sites. Just mostly awful content.

[@nhagan001]

@@Sokko325oh lord… I remember that. Star Trek Picard had beaten them down so much they said the Kenobi show was “it’s fine”.

[@SolidSDA]

It's a faithful adaptation of a bad adaptation.

[@Pink.andahalf]

I think the biggest problem is that a couple of the actors elevated the material. If you didn't have Walton Goggins playing The Ghoul, a lot of what he said would have come off very stupid.

[@PsychicGirl]

You guys say it's like Halo when I think it's more like the Witcher season 1. People seemed to like it, but I hated it from the beginning for the damage it did to the world. People will probably sour on this the longer it goes on like they did with Witcher.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Or like Kenobi.

[@Arassar]

Yeah, even season 1 of Witcher, which most people seemed to like, was plenty disrespectful enough to kill my Netflix subscription.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@Arassar And that was with Henry Cavil raining them in like with the death scene with Roach where he would have farted but Henry shot it down.

[@AlphaAurora]

Or Mando S1

[@thejackal9834]

Yeah this is what I was saying, people are praising the hell out of this show, but come season 2, its likely to disappoint casual audiences like Witcher S2

[@CarParts08382]

Hodd Toward praised this immensely. That's enough for me to ignore it indefinitely.

[@nananamamana3591]

"It just working is my only reason to live." - Toddlo Howbaggins

[@MrVidman14]

The original creator of Fallout also praised the show

[@bianweaver7439]

​@@MrVidman14shut up, that doesn't fit the narrative.

[@driver8764]

​@@MrVidman14And?Chris Avellone(the guy behind fallout 2 and new vegas)said that the show is a hot mess.

[@CJ-kg7yq]

@@bianweaver7439 It is also irrelevant to any "narrative" you think is happening, feel free to tell people why it should matter though?

[@KneelB4Bacon]

In the final episode, we see Cooper kill a bunch of BOS Power Armor troopers because having been a former marine himself, he knows about a "flaw" in the chestplate. Question: Why didn't Cooper kill Maximus in Episode 2? Maximus is wearing the same T60 armor with the same "flaw" right? Instead, Cooper looks completely surprised that his guns are having no effect on Maximus' armor. He literally knows where the weak spot is, right? Maximus should be dead.

[@luigithemaniac3840]

My thinking is he wasn't expecting to fight a trooper. So he wasn't as prepared. In the second fight he had full context hence he was fully prepared.

[@MoriMemento117]

@@luigithemaniac3840 But how does preparation help with aiming? I'm not saying you couldn't write something like what you're describing, I'm just saying they didn't seem to care to. He just shows up and blows out some lights (I'm assuming Ghouls can see in the dark?) and shoots them in the chest. This is not exactly a mastermind moment. If he was using different bullets, why didn't they show this? Something, anything, could've helped this scene.

[@TheKillianKanVT]

​@@luigithemaniac3840 okay. Lets ask some other questions. When maximus was stuck, Cooper had the chance just to go around and pull the fusion core rendering power armor useless (and trapping maximus inside without killing him), then open the face hatch on the helmet and shoot the maximus in the face. Why didn't he do it? He leisulery walked around to slightly cut tube on the helmet. Why not jam the knife inbetween helmet and armor? There were so many opportunities to kill maximus in the scene alone and it created even more oportunities retrospectively as the show progressed. And how the heck did lucy know how to open the hatch on the helmet or pull maximus out of the power armor? She never saw one and maximus never conveyed how armor worked. oh god, it becoming worse by the minute.

[@tomtruyens9804]

He was using different ammo types, explosive ammo in the first fight where his opponents were random dudes and armor piercing for the BoS.

[@Lifeislikeadoughnut]

@@TheKillianKanVT Cooper likely found Maximus amusing, a bumbling idiot in a suit of armour. So he was toying with him more than actually trying to kill him. Also Lucy would know how to open the T-60 because...it's pre-war tech, she literally in the same scene mentions the coating of the T-60. So clearly she was taught about or read up on the T-60 in the Vault. This show is perfectly fine, not amazing or particularly great but it's a very very enjoyable show for fans and a decent introduction to the world for newcomers.

[@Serahpin]

Characters are only as smart as the people writing them. Writers used to be smart, now they're Didn't Earn It.

[@Imfphas20]

You're exactly right, good writing requires world knowledge. You see this in every page written by people like Thomas More, Joseph Conrad, Dostoevsky, etc.

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

@@Imfphas20 Now we have Critical Drinker and Shadversity. I agree.

[@joshwenn989]

@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 Considering the reception of Shad and Drinker's books... Maybe not.

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

@@joshwenn989 LMAO right Shad is literally whining he's losing money Try to do basic research... thanks

[@Helperbot-2000]

@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 lmao really? hahaha

[@bertimusprime7900]

My wife is a Fallout fan. She's played every game. She knows that a lot of 3 and everything afterward by bethesda is trash. She can articulate it well. While watching this, she liked the references, the appearance of things, etc. But the longer the show went on, the more she said, " This isn't funny. I dont like this." Maximus is evil. He doesn't get better by the end. The more we thought about everything, the more it fell apart at the seams.

[@The2012Aceman]

He's not evil, he's Low-INT. It's a thing that Fallout games do: you have special dialogue for being low INT.

[@TheNumber]

Your wife sounds based

[@bertimusprime7900]

@@The2012Aceman he's selfish and malicious. He was ready to kill thaddeus to protect himself. He was fully ready for vault 4 to die without a fusion core just so he could have his armor. He's evil, even if it is because of his stupidity.

[@bianweaver7439]

​@@bertimusprime7900that's literally part of the point

[@bertimusprime7900]

@bianweaver7439 Sorry, can you explain what you mean?

[@chris5159]

Maximus reminded me of Sabine in that awful series we won't talk about. He makes every terrible, selfish decision he can and faces 0 consequences, in fact he gets promoted by... his trans peer?

[@lefteron6804]

I mean, he does want to help people, but the moment someone threatens him, all bets are off.

[@UntroddenGaming]

The trans peer annoys the living shit out of me. It's a virtue signal that destroys one of the best NPC companions of New Vegas. I refuse to believe that the chapter that Veronica and the rest of the Mojave chapter were sent on detachment from, that disapproved of her and her lesbian girlfriend and pressured the girlfriend to join the Circle and cut off contact with Veronica, somehow said "YAAAAS SQUIRE THEY/THEM, AD SLAYTORIUM QUEEN" when Private Enby showed up, or that they started welcoming outsiders like a Mandalorian foundling. Particularly ones with severe mental derp.

[@gentlesavage2068]

maximus and the brotherhood of steel were by far the worst part of this show, they made the brotherhood of steel look so incompetent and maximus' character is just a clumsy bumbling idiot.

[@jackneeson591]

FFS I was afraid they were gonna do my Brotherhood of Steel boys dirty as soon as I saw the 1st teaser. >:/

[@TurKlack]

There's so much more wrong about the show. Goddess... back when I first heard Shady Sands is gone I didn't know what "Shady Sands" looked like in the show. The moment I saw the ruins of the city I said: "That isn't Shady Sands." Also something else about the Fall of Shady Sands in 2277. The *Fall* of Shady Sands. The *Fall* ! Meaning and end to this city, plus the Bomb had no date. So it could have happened later, or on the same day as the *Fall* of Shady Sands.

[@vancodling4223]

Its an actual plot point that theyve lost their way and need a revival

[@Pink.andahalf]

"But he has the Idiot Savant perk!" Man, the defenses of this show are so dumb. I even liked it, but people need to acknowledge it's flaws.

[@unusualaussie9606]

@@vancodling4223 Not a plot point, but an excuse. As the only reference is the guy in charge saying that they lost their way is a reference to cowardice and nothing else. As right before that he oversaw the slaughter of Filly for no reason.

[@beowulfsrevenge4369]

It's continuity is messed up. The further into the show you get, the less it makes sense. Even the first episode makes no sense.

[@Gakusangi]

Mauler is profoundly hung up on the first ep because of just how bad it was, and how it makes less sense the further you go.

[@ChiefCrewin]

​@@Gakusangiwhich is why the show gets worse as it goes on, the foundation is made of sand.

[@JasonX909]

So it starts making negative sense then? As in, I need to get this cow across the street, I'll take the boat?

[@beowulfsrevenge4369]

@JasonX909 There is information that is revealed in the later episodes that undermines the actions people take in the first one. Moldaver apparently cares about Rose, Lucy, and Norms' mother, so much so that she keeps around the feral ghoul Rose becomes after Shady Sands gets nuked. But she doesn't seem to care if Lucy or Norm get killed by raiders when they are trying to capture Hank. Stuff like that.

[@JasonX909]

@@beowulfsrevenge4369 Ah. Reminds me of a scene from Westworld Season 2 where the guy from Punisher is just like "People's actions just don't make sense." So I see the writers are still using that as a tool lol.

[@Serahpin]

Someone did a review chronologically, so they can't hide things by jumping back and forth in time, and the context makes it so much worse.

[@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese]

Any chance you could link? Curious to see that

[@Serahpin]

@@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese Is there any way to search my watch history?

[@Seneron]

@@Serahpin Ctrl+F or you can use the search bar on the right.

[@coolman229]

​@@Serahpinif you go to your watch history you can search for videos from your history

[@DoffysGlasses]

​@@SerahpinKZbin has a nifty feature where it has an entire tab dedicated to your watch history, unless you clear it

[@BahamutKingBlack]

+50 respect to Rags''''' for explaining why New Vegas was compelling. Honestly glad they've retconned New Vegas out of the timeline so that it can be its own thing that exists somewhere in the mediaverse. At least Todd Howard can sleep better at night now that his raging insecurity has been addressed.

[@MasterKjK]

Finally something thats critical of the show. Im baffled that so many people seem to praise it to high heavens, like did we even watch the same show? The shows painfully mid, slightly above at best. But as a Fallout fan i'd rate it even lower due to the lore changes and inconsistencies.

[@drakeishere]

It's way below mid in my opinion. I was cringing from minute 5. I don't find anything about the show worth of praise other than a few of the visual effects.

[@saunshilu]

my guess is there comparing it to modern fallout stories, so in that mindset its considered a masterpiece???

[@Gakusangi]

I'd consider "mid" and "slightly above mid" to be really generous.

[@Gakusangi]

@@saunshilu But a few people were, because they think that this show matched the vibe of the games, somehow.

[@MDTako]

The big fans really love the penis exploding line

[@jonbaxter2254]

Hank squeezing into a power armour off-screen while his daughter is having a moment is a hilarious image.

[@I_TheLandlord]

That shit was so fucking stupid. How does he know how to use it? People used to need training for that shit. Also hes been locked in a cage, he should be malnourished.

[@Ramsey276one]

O M G XD

[@Secret_Takodachi]

He should've broken his own back due to his lack of power armor training. 😂 THAT would have been a great nod to the lore.

[@Darkington]

​@@Secret_Takodachi To be fair, Power Armor didn't require training in 1 and 2 either, and then Bethesda backtracked on training in 4.

[@lefteron6804]

@@Darkington In 4 the male character was a former soldier so he had the training, not sure for female, maybe he had given her basic instructions.

[@RetroRespawn]

I hate "but it's just like in the game" as a defence for any game to movie/series adaptation for one single reason: the point of the adaptation is to bring the setting and the story to the screen. VATS, SPECIAL, Skills, perks, stimpacks etc are all there to enable you to PLAY THE GAME, and have no utility to the characters on the show. It's ridiculous for anyone to suggest a character in the show chose this perk or that, as that's a game mechanic, and not something that people in the show's world are actually doing.

[@GhostOfSnuffles]

People claiming the show was true to the games lore felt like they are trying to piss down my leg and tell me it was raining. There really wasn't a single aspect of the lore the show didn't get wrong and some of it was so egregious it felt intentionally insulting. All the show proves is that Todd hates FNV so much he was willing to make a Netflix show proving how much he hates FNV.

[@vandalcreed]

Tbf it was like the game in the sense of being buggy

[@coughsyrupconnoisseur]

@@vandalcreedlmao I’m saying shit like this from now on “actually the show is super faithful to the games, cus it sucks”💀

[@vandalcreed]

@@coughsyrupconnoisseur well you can find the tardis in Fallout. That means the current doctor who is canon in Fallout lore. Now tell me it doesn't suck 😁

[@VaqueroCoyote]

There is a large noticeable overlap between the rabid defenders of this show, and the ask-no-question-just-consoom-product fans of Disney Star Wars and Marvel.

[@bianweaver7439]

Actually it's an overlap of people who just hate on shows for no reason at all. Star Wars and Marvel have mostly become shit, bit even things like Rogue One get called shit by them when that's juts clearly not. Fallout was a very solid show and its stellar ratings prove it.

[@vitaminmafia7917]

the sea is always right

[@stegosandrosos1291]

​@@bianweaver7439We are in the era of polaritation, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 doesn't exists, there are only 0 and 10

[@user-og6hl6lv7p]

@@bianweaver7439 Argumentum ad populum is not a good argument to make. Smoking cigarettes must be good since millions of people consume them, right?

[@frankdevo5715]

@@user-og6hl6lv7pyes

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Fun Fact: Showrunner Graham Wagner admitted in an interview that they wanted to nuke Shady Sands because they wanted the apocalyptic setting to play with. ‘Wagner says that a big reason they decided to wipe out the NCR's capital was to bring the West Coast back to an apocalyptic state. "A lot of [Westerns] end with the railroad coming through, or a house being built, or they put up a church in the town, or a motorcar appears. And you're like, 'Well, the wild wild west is over.' I think it would have been a mistake to go from the retro-futuristic America to another America that has been fully civilized and the NCR is doing everything great," Wagner explained.’

[@kingmorley]

I mean, that's understandable. But why make a serie there in the first place? Why not stick to the east or somewhere else? No one would have complained then especially if you want to make it canon

[@abcde6081]

While this is incredibly stupid as fallout as a series is about the post-post apocalypse, the rebuilding of the world not its destruction, if they really wanted to make a post-apocalyptic fallout show, they could have, i dunno, chose to maybe not set it 200 years after the bombs fell in a location where a government had already emerged and rebuilt the area to a relatively civilized standard?

[@295Phoenix]

Here's hoping Wagner is cursed with living a miserable life when karma comes calling. What a fucking stooge.

[@Slender_Man_186]

@kingmorley no the hell it isn’t, they could have set the show ANYWHERE

[@I_TheLandlord]

THATS THE FUCKING POINT JEESUS

[@GoblinKnightLeo]

Maximum hilarity: this is an adaptation the same way the 1995 Mortal Kombat film is an adaptation, but the writing was better then.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

That's because it was still run by people who came up during the Hollywood Renaissance, before the finance bros attacked and commodified everything.

[@GoblinKnightLeo]

@@Lobsterwithinternet the 1995 film isn't good - my point is that the genuine praise this show is getting is entirely about the visuals, but it's an entirely new story within a game IP rather than adaptating a specific game. Which is like Mortal Kombat.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@GoblinKnightLeo Never said it was. I'm just replying to your comment about the writing being better. It's because a lot of those people came on during the Hollywood Renaissance and then when the finance bros took over Hollywood is when a lot of the good writing stopped as films were engineered to be financial products first and foremost.

[@tahuluke6133]

at least MK 1995 is a fun movie regardless of it's flaws

[@lostalone9320]

The Mortal Kombat movie is not a good movie, but it's campy and fun. Fallout is just trash.

[@295Phoenix]

I dunno what the appeal of this show was. Are people THAT STARVED for post-apoc shows, ANY post-apoc show? As a stand-alone, the characters, vault inhabitants, and BoS are all stupid. Really fucking stupid. As part of the Fallout franchise, this show is just an insult to Fallout lore in the West Coast. This is exactly why I never wanted Bethesda to touch the West, the West deserves good writing, and Bethesda's writing has sank to near zero since Emil became the lead writer.

[@Slender_Man_186]

Exactly. If this show was set in the East Coast, or hell literally anywhere else, I wouldn’t care, I would go on ignoring it like I do with 3 and 4 and 76.

[@booperdee2]

super mutants and ghouls and cowboys and vaults! yippee!!!!

[@GUNUFofficial]

​@@Slender_Man_186okay contrarian, I'd tip my fedora but i don't wanna be a contrarian.

[@bianweaver7439]

​@@Slender_Man_186so you're literally barely even a fallout fan lmao. You're opinion doesn't matter.

[@julianswinton5355]

​@@bianweaver7439Ah so you like the frickin Nuka rum and the 24 dollar christmas emote back then. And making the a grind fest so the shop is more appaling

[@ProtoManiac2283]

What I think is that Fallout fans are now so used to bad content that they are willing to settle for something completely mediocre as long as it isn't spitting on their face.

[@ryszakowy]

incorrect the bar is so low it touches bottom of mariana trench and spits in the audience's face while stabbing it in the gut and they still praise it

[@Gakusangi]

This isn't fallout fans, this a largely a bunch of people that, at best, started like Fallout 4 and the rest somehow never understood the series in the first place despite playing the other games and even liking the good ones. Anyone that thinks THIS is Fallout never GOT Fallout in the first place.

[@AwayWithYouVileBeggar]

I'll be honest, from all of the discourse I saw about this show I came to the conclusion that the Fallout fans are calling this shait for what it is and the Bethesda fanboys are the ones calling it a masterpiece while attacking the actual fans. They're the same weirdos who ran defence for Starfield even if the game was awful at release and even now it's serviceable at best.

[@theevilgood]

@@Gakusangi This show's quality aside, your argument is horse shit. "Anyone who disagrees with me just doesn't get it," is a pretty logically broken argument. It's also basically how Snyder fans defend his works. You're trying to stack the deck so that anyone who disagrees with you isn't a "real fan" and it's poisonous to any discourse about this show's quality that could be had. "They either started at this arbitrary one I don't like, or they didn't really like the games that I do like. Either way they're fake fans." I'm not quite finished with the show myself, so I'm holding judgment on whether it's actually good. But this line of thinking is broken and frankly if it's in any way representative of stuff EFAP says in this video I can see this being another RE: Village situation where I end up falling on the other side of the fence.

[@Gakusangi]

@@theevilgood Right, so complaining that characters make utterly illogical decisions to the point of putting themselves in peril constantly, or all the plot contrivances, or utter eliminations of things like stakes to keep me invested are... horseshit? Also, making a claim that someone that likes this and THINKS it represents Fallout being criticized for not actually understanding Fallout isn't a shit argument. If you think Fallout is just a goofy, post-apocalyptic world where anything can happen without consistency or consequences, then no, you didn't understand Fallout or it's themes, it's tone or why it's writing was good. But no, cherry pick some words to try and make it all sound unreasonable and not really pay attention to what was meant.

[@hariman7727]

I think people are latching onto the fact that the characters are not Mary Sues or Gary Stus, and that Walton goggins character is really well acted.

[@chowdaire7343]

I think this might be the most correct answer. Not just the ghoul, but Lucy and maximus are well cast. The fact that none of them are these hyper confident paragons with zero flaws helps when you've been exposed to an endless supply of shitty plot armor characters the past decade of entertainment media.

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@chowdaire7343 no, the girl is basically that, she's literally Rey from the sequels in Fallout 4. And there is a lot of plot armor. Hell, Maximus gets excused because of the "idiot savant perk" which is literally plot armor.

[@LordFinai]

@@denkerbosu3551 they way I see it, she's your first playthrough where you try to do everything right, Maximus is like your second playthrough where you try something different, and cooper is your latter playthroughs where you understand the game world and just want to have fun and/or fuck shit up.

[@theliato3809]

@@denkerbosu3551she’s not really Rey. She’s like jinx with out the schizophrenia

[@Snoozytube]

​@denkerbosu3551 how is she Rey at all?

[@jamessimon3433]

This entire show is one long contrivance, its incredibly boring. Then a of a sudden pointless graphic violence. Its a thing creatted by entering a bunch of keywords and phrases into their pc

[@Mereologist]

Even AI does better than this.

[@jamessimon3433]

@@Mereologist exactly

[@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475]

​@@jamessimon3433Different shades of shit.

[@mrcorrosion1831]

I have zero interest in this show because it's abundantly clear to me that this isn't Fallout, it's Bethesda's Fallout. And Bethesda has demonstrated time and time again that they don't understand the IP. This show looks to exemplify that fact.

[@GusRokk]

I can smell the bullshit on your comment, of course you have interest in the show. (Here you are watching a 55min stream about it) See you when season 2 is out.

[@Groncheroente]

Youre such a good example of this podcast. Nobodies sniffing their own farts lmao

[@kingcreedo6010]

"I have zero interest in this show" = I watched all of it

[@bianweaver7439]

I hate to tell you, whatever you think "Fallout" is, it's not. You need to stop gatekeeping and realize they aren't going to curate every piece of material to 25 year old computer games that only a small fraction of the fan base has actually played.

[@doublebassman123]

@@bianweaver7439 thats fine, Bethesda can do what ever they want with their lame product made for pinhead fey gets because I still have my 25 year old computer game.

[@whitewolfgaming8327]

I just wanna point out that the most likable character in the show was a member of the enclave lol

[@Knossig]

I noped out after the first episode. I have concerns for how the mass appeal of this show will affect the Fallout game universe going forward, considering that this show is canon.

[@Brandon-ph8dv]

Can't wait for whatever Mauler is making for fallout.

[@minion3806]

Same

[@nothingwrong2293]

He is making something?

[@Brandon-ph8dv]

@@nothingwrong2293 yes, he has hinted at a video.

[@mordirit8727]

“Rage. Unbridled rage never changes.”

[@DawidKov]

@@mordirit8727 Rage. Rage never bridles.

[@Pink.andahalf]

I enjoyed this show. This show was very dumb. People need to be able to say both these things and mean them. I can, and I do.

[@BigBroTejano]

And that is perfectly alright.

[@mordirit8727]

Your personal feelings about something are often tied to your own self worth in the mind of those who don’t bother learning the basics of philosophy. “I like it, therefore it’s good” is a more gut reaction than “I like it, that has no merit on its quality.” Your opinion of a thing is a part of your mind, one of the most sacred pieces of the human ego. It takes a level of maturity most don’t have to be able to admit to oneself “I like this bad thing. That doesn’t mean I’m any lesser for liking a bad thing.” I personally enjoyed 50/50 the first episode, then gave up on ep 2… I’ll still say, save the end of the vault plot line, I enjoyed ep1, the neat visuals and tone references were enough to make me go “neat,” and if the show had kept that up throughout I’d be right there with you on the “damn that was enjoyable. Shite, but fun.”

[@wojak-sensei6424]

It's fun if you play by its pace, bad when you think about it a bit, horrible when you put it against some of the best Fallout stories out there. I hope it becomes a foundation for something with more effort, the positive circle jerk practically guarantees the second season, but let's not be Bethesda stans about it. That is to laud it as a masterpiece when it's mid, half-baked, and broken at launch.

[@brigandboy1425]

Sure. There are some shows and movies I like that are dumb that I like. I think the thing is I have to not feel insulted by the experience. Aquaman, for instance, is a stupid, stupid movie, but I never once thought that the movie was just having me on or insulting me, so I actually enjoyed it. This is not that.

[@talonmage40k]

Which makes it accurate to the games.

[@tysmosisjones]

As a writer, I would have spent at least 5 minutes with ZERO fat, building up a badass with power armor, just to get his head torn off by a missile launcher. Maybe even make that the intro. Zero percent of this feels like Fallout.

[@Nedak2003]

I like the show but a big issue with the plot I have is the nuking of shady sands. I feel like nuking shady sands makes Fallout less interesting overall. The NCR was a thriving government and now they just got swept off their feet and dragged down with the rest of the wasteland over a custody battle. When I heard this show was taking place in California, I was looking forward to seeing how much civilization developed compared to what we typically see in the games. But now we've learned that it's just more the same. The one group that was bringing humanity out of the apocalyptic era, was thrown into another apocalypse just to keep the series theme the same, instead of exploring different types of stories that could be told with the Fallout IP. Me personally, i'm tired of the wacky wasteland adventures like Fallout 3 and 4 were. I want more serious stories like Fallout New Vegas where complex problems arise from developing nations, and I thought the west coast was full of opportunities for those types of stories to be told. As a Fallout fan, I think this show being cannon was a mistake, despite me enjoying it. The best thing about the Halo show was that it's dumbass plots had no impact on Halo.

[@Imfphas20]

Not to mention every conflict is now meaningless because there is a big shadowy Vault Tec behind everything and can nuke anyone at whim. Everything has been reframed as the new conflict is the resistance vs. the big shadowy empire

[@coughsyrupconnoisseur]

bethesda never quite understood how Fallout is more post-post apocalyptic lol. Logically it just SHOULD be considering the timeframe we’re working with at this point in the lore. Bethesda would have you believe humans haven’t done shit but crawl around in the dirt for 200 years and not manage much more than small villages full of shitty huts with trash lying around everywhere lmfao

[@snubbirth136]

Oh thank God I'm not the only one. People keep saying "it's good it's good"

[@Snoozytube]

So you're basically just saying you don't like it because others do

[@whitehorse8558]

​@@SnoozytubeNo, he's saying he's felt alone in his opinion and is glad he found someone else likeminded because he thought he was going crazy

[@5FingerBallad]

Don’t worry, I do disagree thinking it’s “terrible” but the lore inconsistencies and Maximus flip-flopping his character arch were warranted criticisms. I respect that someone disrupted the internet groupthink. And also Fringy is right about the coincidence-writing, too distracting on rewatch.

[@Gakusangi]

It sucks because we COULD have something better and HAVE had better writing in the video games already. So seeing this opportunity get squandered kinda stings.

[@atpyro7920]

shitting all over new vegas isn’t even the worst of this show’s sins.

[@5FingerBallad]

@@atpyro7920 We still don't know if that's the show's intention, but that being said, the fact they just ended S1 on a destroyed New Vegas IS a dumb choice.

[@Alex-pm9vy]

​@@5FingerBallad The intention doesn't really matter when that's how it comes across snd then the writer's respond "The wasteland is chaotic guys! You can't expect everything to stay the same year after year." Ironically reverting any progress that was made to revert it to just chsotic Mad Max world with robots and Brother Hood of Steel.

[@yewtewbstew547]

@@5FingerBallad Was it actually destroyed though? I couldn't tell either way from the shot. You can see ruined buildings and a big scrap wall built around it, but New Vegas in the game was also mostly made up of ruined buildings and walls made out of piled up cars and stuff. The only part in the game that was even close to pristine was the strip itself. Freeside, westside and north vegas square surrounded the strip in a much more dilapidated state, and then then the surrounding area outside of that was just straight up ruins.

[@Slender_Man_186]

Can we talk about how The Enclave consisted of 5 mostly disillusioned geriatrics in Fallout New Vegas? Can we talk about how Vault Tec doesn’t really exist after the war and was pretty much just a puppet for The Enclave? What, did Cannibal Johnson supply the *nuke* that Lucy’s dad used?

[@liliesaregoodfortheliver2954]

Oh yeah, the postwar nuke that they just kept around for kicks.

[@Lifeislikeadoughnut]

Fallout New Vegas never outright says "these 5 people are 100% the LAST of the Enclave". Remember a significant number of Enclave got away from the Oil Rig, Raven Rock and the Air Force Base. It is 100% possible and likely that the Enclave would still have remnants in hiding around the East and West coasts, biding their time and working in secret.

[@fffx2]

I can tell that you have only played 1 Fallout game. We know for a fact that portions of the Enclave were active even on the East Coast just 4 years prior to New Vegas.

[@Alfred5555]

​@@Lifeislikeadoughnut In New Vegas there is literally a hidden Enclave base you can find my following a radio signal or something. You can't interact with it, it just says it's an Enclave base. I'm seriously against the "media literacy" mob, they're reading NPC scripts, but this side of the argument is like the opposite but bad. A story isn't limited purely by what is said and written in any given scene. The canon is not infinite, it can be expanded, it always will be expanded and changed as more story is written. Just because at one point some characters said that 99% of the Enclave was destroyed, doesn't mean that is just totally true, people lie, people can be wrong, etc, it's reasonable that the remnants of the most powerful organisation in the world would be prolific and indomitable in the wasteland. But people here and just saying "well the canon said they were all gone, so they're all gone", jeez, that's just not how story telling works.

[@Slender_Man_186]

@fffx2 first off i’ve played 1, 2, 3, NV, and 4, in 2 the Enclave got their shit wrecked at both Navarro and the oil rig, in Fallout 3 they got their shit wrecked twice in the base game and Broken Steel DLC, they’re literally just 5 old timers plus Arcade Gannon in NV, and they’re completely absent from Fallout 4 which is set 6 years after NV. The fact that they’re active anywhere outside of Chicago (which sounds like it was redirected to reinforce the DC branch) is unbelievable, and the idea that they had an active base in California is utter bullshit.

[@iamtheecho]

I think a way to make episode one work would be essentially your plan Moldaver want to distract Valt 33 with a wedding and get Hank alone. Only for the raiders who came with to go rouge because they found out Valt 33 is responsible for Shady Sands and wanted revenge. Moldaver only regained control over the raiders when the dwellers started to win and had to improvise the escape. Then in the final episode you see some of the raiders who escaped back at her camp in a prison for what they did in the Vault. Showing Maldavers tough but fair, I’m not killing you for your actions but you will be fairly punished, contrasting with what happened to the raiders the Valt captured.

[@viddykhaos2896]

This show’s reception is the perfect example of the boiling frog. You place a frog in boiling hot water and it will react violently, since the temperature change between freshwater and the heated water is extreme. But if you put a frog in room temperature water, and carefully raise the temperature, it will be harmed before it realises it. A thousand small cuts. The Fallout show is relatively better than video game media now. But generally? You are still being boiled alive, you are just comparing it to how hot you were a minute ago you cannot tell much of a difference.

[@Secret_Takodachi]

Someone just finished psych 101! lol

[@jaredpilbeam6988]

I watched the show and am boggled by the rave reviews it has gotten. I've never seen such a stark disconnect between people being gravely injured and their lack of any sort of response(pain? surprise? concern???)

[@AwayWithYouVileBeggar]

Remember how the fanboys reacted to Starfield? Yeah. They're the same people who defend that clusterfuk.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

All you need to do is remember when Kenobi came out and how much people were eating it up just because Hayden was in it.

[@jaredpilbeam6988]

@@Lobsterwithinternet You know the longer I live the longer I see idiocracy taking shape, lol.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@jaredpilbeam6988 Idiocracy is already here. The difference is that most of the intellectuals were able to isolate it so they couldn't do much damage but now, the inmates are in charge of the asylum.

[@bianweaver7439]

​@@Lobsterwithinternetexcept Kenobi never had the ratings Fallout has. This show has signle handedly made every Fallout game from New Vegas to 76 hit new records in sales.

[@madookamagooka743]

barely recognizable iconography and cheap cosplays are all it takes to get praise form fans of any adaptation. the only defense people muster for this show is pointing to Bethesda's games, you know, the people known for ruining fallout 3 times over now.

[@haku8135]

At the end you can LITERALLY see someone in the chat saying the show had its lows (writing) but it also had its highs (production) That's literally saying "SHOW PERTY, I LIKE!" The standards have TANKED. Nothing can just be BAD anymore so long as they spend tens of millions of dollars to put people in blue and yellow jumpsuits with numbers on their backs, cause that makes the show GOOD.

[@TheKillianKanVT]

I think a lot of praise for the show is because it came after the disaster that was the Halo season 2. If, for example, it came out after arcane (and it was nearly as good as the first season.) or after something like the Edge Runners - a lot of people would probably think of it as if not terrible, but extremely mediocre.

[@oXRaptorzXo]

I have never played Fallout. I don’t care about the visuals (not really anyway). It’s probably because I have no connection to the lore, but I thoroughly enjoyed every episode. There was a couple moments where the writing was questionable, sure, but for the most part, when you’re watching, it’s not that obvious. And the show is very fun and unpredictable, it’s also pretty hilarious sometimes. They obviously weren’t trying to make an artistic masterpiece, they are trying to make a fun show. And that’s what they did. If you’re the type to analyze every scene after watching something, maybe you won’t like it as much, but you probably don’t enjoy many shows anyway.

[@Paul-bs5wl]

The Fallout show is a lot like the Halo show in a lot of ways. A Sci-Fi franchise is bought up by a new studio, they release 2 terrible main-line games that undermine the originals and Flanderize the series into tired story tropes and recognisable iconography, then they release a weird microtransaction riddled shitshow of a game that fails. Then the franchise is given a badly written TV show with story elements emphasising the vision of the new owners over the originals. The difference is that the Fallout franchise was far more niche before Fallout 3, so the fans that actually appreciate Fallout's original vision are less numerous than with Halo, and also that the Fallout show, for all its faults, doesn't seem to hate Fallout in the same way that the Halo show seems contemptuous of Halo.

[@Slender_Man_186]

No, this show has utter fucking contempt for the old fans, Vault 4 comes off as an insult to everyone who liked the west coast lore and the NCR, playing the Fallout 4 theme over the NCR flag felt like a “fuck you,” and having the two people who created Vault Boy be named “Howard” and “Emil” just looks like Todd Howard and Emil Pagliarulo (the dipshit who wrote Fallout 3 and 4) giving each other a blow job.

[@LordFinai]

show me on the puppet where infinite's store touched your wallet. Seriously the only people who actually have a problem with infinite are people mad at the cheating in ranked (which is fair) and people mad at 343 for not being Bungie, no one's forcing you to by the multiplayer cosmetics but yourself, if you have a problem with them, don't fucking buy them.

[@Paul-bs5wl]

@@LordFinai Why would you assume I spent money on Halo Infinite? That's a weird assumption my dude.

[@LordFinai]

@@Paul-bs5wl I don’t think you’ve ever even played the game if I’m being honest. Your entire post feels like it’s from someone uninformed on the topic regurgitating what they heard on twitter

[@Paul-bs5wl]

@@LordFinai Try again. I don't use Twitter either. Have you considered that I might have higher standards?

[@blueshellincident]

Seeing people praise the fallout show for its writhing because it’s “so funny just like the games!” leads me to believe that most people don’t actually give a high flying fuck to look at what they are indulging in beyond the surface level feelings and vibes. The comedy aspect of fallout is an occasional thing, I don’t particularly recall laughing when Preston Garvey was spilling his guts about his failures as a minuteman.

[@coughsyrupconnoisseur]

this 100%. Dark humor is literally a part of Fallout but it also takes itself seriously, it isn’t a comedy series by any stretch of the imagination. The Marvel-esque character dialogue where characters are making sarcastic quips every other scene made me wanna blow my brains out 💀

[@falloutsearies]

I’ve come to the conclusion that most Bethesda Fallout fans only see fallout as a playpen with an interesting esthetic. They never cared for the character writing or the world building as long as the see interesting environments and watch “fun” things happen. People like me just have to abandon fallout at this point.

[@durandol]

This felt more like a Borderlands show than a Fallout one.

[@pressedv3017]

Same here, it could've been the Borderlands TV series they've created.

[@gabrielsibajamendez2089]

This is kind of the same case as Midsommar, people tried so hard finding excuses and doing mental gymnastics to try and say it was a good movie, but it takes only one person without a huge bias to see it is, indeed, not good at all.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

People can't admit they can like garbage. I can. There are B-Movies I love and consider classics. I'd recommend watching Spaced Invaders around Halloween.

[@critespranberry8872]

Oh really? I thought Midsommar was quite good, what's wrong with it? :0

[@coltonwhite2518]

​@@LobsterwithinternetThis is definitely a big part of it. I absolutely love Van Helsing and Doom(the one with Karl Urban). Not because they're bad or silly but because I genuinely have fun watching them, however I ain't going around acting like they're great movies lol.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@coltonwhite2518 And by corollary, there are truly magnificent movies that I can't stand or find boring.

[@kingcreedo6010]

Absolutely not. Midsommar is literally chaos and stupidity. Difference is the Fall out show is stupid and enjoyable

[@jasoncovone4208]

so cathartic hearing these lads talk about this. the constant praise of this show makes me want to tear my hair out.

[@reggie6230]

Tell me about it. Standards are so bad desperate nerds claim its holy instead of full of holes.

[@liliesaregoodfortheliver2954]

I have never played Fallout and I watched the entire show. It's painfully bad TV.

[@KirkulesTM]

The antagonist is given a hero's death yet performs some of the most heinous actions in the show. Maximus is the type of character I would kill immediately after discovering his actions because him simply existing in this world causes suffering. And thanks to the main story of this show _the_ _Battle_ _of_ _Hoover_ _dam_ _didn't_ _matter_ _at_ _all_ God what are they going to do to Mr House and New Vegas...

[@haku8135]

They have decided that it is CANON that NUKES can detonate VERY VERY close to you and you'll be fine so long as you're on a horse. Seriously, look at that scene, there's a mushroom cloud just like at best a MILE away from him and his stupid horse and he's not thrown into orbit or vaporized! In Fallout 4 you see a bomb drop MILES away, on the other side of the map, literally, and just ONE bomb at that drops, and it happens just as you're entering the vault, going down. So you get below the ground, and then a pressure wave blasts the surface SECONDS later, and when you go back up after the time skip you find the guy who was in POWER ARMOR was seemingly instantly killed by that pressure wave and dropped dead and got partially buried. So a guy in power armor dozens of miles away from a nuke dies from the pressure wave, but dude on horse less than a mile from one is just fine. I assume he becomes a ghoul, but that's not what ghouls ARE. They're not just magically immune to atom bombs, it's the RADIATION that made them. Everyone that was actually HIT WITH A NUKE fucking died. Cause they're NUKES.

[@chromicm6686]

Better than that, maximus steps out of the fridge ten feet from the shady sands blast crater. If that is the crater, he right on the inner edge of the thermal and radiation zone. He would be a radioactive charcoal outline on the inside of the appliance. No way he survives that.

[@iamjurell]

But ghouls are totally realistic to nuclear fallout-- this seems like the wrong franchise to criticise for gaps in scientific rigor.

[@haku8135]

@@iamjurell no see here's why what you just said is stupid. Ghouls are a fictional thing established in this world. Ghouls in this world are killed if an atom bomb explodes next to them. This show decided they're just magically immune to atom bombs. If the lore was atom bombs don't work on them, well that'd be dumb, but that would be how it works. It isn't though, so you're stupid because you think because this world is fictional and not 100% realistic there aren't any rules and I'm only complaining about something that isn't consistent with real life. I'm complaining about something that isn't consistent with ITSELF.

[@merlin2.085]

@@iamjurellI’m not a fallout person, but I believe the criticism is based on lore contradictions rather than science

[@iamjurell]

@@merlin2.085 I've never been a big fallout player but aren't there really quite a lot of internal contradictions, red herrings and retcons within the games? And don't the games similarly stretch, as it were, realistic expectations of outcome in service of plot? I guess what I'm getting at is that the games are absolutely all over the place in terms of quality and internal coherence. Likewise, seems a bit weird to say that spurious rigor about nuclear blasts is a matter of lore...

[@Bulletproof_Trump]

The prop and set designers deserve praise. It looks very 'Fallout', and Walton Goggins is always a pleasure. The girl who plays Lucy is pretty darn hot and adorable.... Not sure if that fits the setting... That's about all the praise I have for this show.

[@MagerBlutooth]

Rags is disappointed that the show doesn't accurately represent the underground bunker he's streaming from.

[@crazymcgee3604]

Based on what the show is trying to imply, those raiders used to be NCR, maybe even Rangers. According to Amazon, nuking one city in the entire NCR is enough to destroy it. Also, let's forget that Shady Sands would have been destroyed before the events of New Vegas yet no one, not even the Legion, speaks of it. You'd think something like that - the destruction of one of the founding cities of the New California Republic - would be mentioned once in passing.

[@DrMonstertruck]

I haven't heard about people commenting on some of the things that caught my attention when I watched the show. First, when Lucy first left the vault, she hears waves. The vault is literally feet from the coastline? How is a vault, hundreds of feet underground, keeping the groundwater away, when it's right on the coastline? In an earthquake zone? For 200+ years? And how is the first ruined house she goes into, still standing, but with sand swept in, but it has bodies still in chairs from the blast, 200+ years ago? And there's a china cabinet, filled with plates and other porcelain dishes, looking freshly cleaned, polished and dusted. There was less dust on it that on my desk at home. So, either that stuff was put there by someone recently, in a home with the doors and windows blown away, and they left the dead, decaying bodies in place, or we're supposed to believe that it stayed like that the whole time? There was no impact from storms, or animals, for hundreds of years? Got it. And that crater where Shady Sands was? What kind of blast is supposed to make a crater that shape (about as deep as it is in radius), but right at the edge, there are buildings and signs still standing. Did all that material from the crater just get vaporized and there was no pressure wave? Where did all that material go? The stuff that used to be the ground, buildings and roads. It would have been blown away, leaving rubble and destruction. The buildings would have been flattened for miles. And yeah, for someone to survive in a fridge, while everything else is just vaporized? And that fridge has a big vent hole in the back? How do these people think explosions work? Or radiation? And at the very end, when the cold fusion device is activated, and they show lights in houses and skyscrapers going on. How does THAT work? Don't people know how much work it is, even with constant maintenance, to keep a power grid functioning? But after 200+ years of being abandoned, it just all works? And the lights, themselves, are still functioning and switched on, they're just missing the electricity? If the power generation isn't matched to the draw from the grid, in real time, there would either be insufficient power, causing a brownout (and things wouldn't have turned on) or there would be too much power and everything would be blown. I know, I know. It isn't the main story or characters. Its just the stuff that broke immersion for me, making it that much harder for me to take the world seriously. There are also so many stupid choices and outcomes, it just feels like it was written by people who don't actually CARE about the world they're creating. Content like this needs to be made by a group of people who all take pride in their work.

[@bianweaver7439]

This is called nitpicking. The entire Fallout franchise is based on things that make no sense and either don't or cannot exist IRL. And here you are calling out things that you do just have to accept as reality.

[@TheImapotato]

I guess Climate Change really isn't a thing, who would have thought? lol

[@coughsyrupconnoisseur]

@@bianweaver7439The last point isn’t even that nitpicky lmao it’s just stupid and made me confused when I saw it. they just rerouted the whole power grid through the observatory somehow? It doesn’t make sense and it pulls you out of the moment but they did it all just for a cool shot in the last episode

[@romannumeralvii4285]

Seeing fallout fans worship this garbage because it has some “fan service” in it is honestly so demoralizing. As someone who enjoyed 1,2, and NV the most, this shit was like getting kicked in the balls and sand thrown in my face. I get why some people like it, it’s got good moments in it and some good acting. But fuck me, it completely shits on classic fallouts and has the usual “Bethesda writing and retcons”. It’s just the last nail in the coffin showing what fallout has become and the path it’s going down.

[@Alfred5555]

How though? People complain that after Fallout 1 and 2 the tone changed and there was no evidence of civilisation being rebuilt or that it had been 200 years. Now in the show you have intelligent people building nice towns and even repairing old world power grids so that whole cities could be inhabited more easily. That's Fallout 1 and 2 ideas, but you're still complaining?

[@gr33nsk1n]

​@@Alfred5555ur dumb

[@jaek__]

​@@Alfred5555no one complained about a lack of rebuilding in FNV, stagnation is a fallout 3 and 4 complaint, FNV continued the tone of 1 and 2 without shitting on them and fixing them

[@jaek__]

​@@Alfred5555also where in the show do you see people _explicitly_ rebuilding towns, power infrastructure, growing food whatever I legitimately can't think of any, a single scene even, the last scene makes even less sense when you consider the NCR was nuked and likely has no power infrastructure to facilitate whatever mcguffin the weird immortal lady was using

[@Alfred5555]

@@jaek__ But there's no rebuilding in FNV either, its 90% pre-war stuff that survived, so...selective bias, hypocrisy? That's all I'm saying.

[@pacmanrespector9552]

I thought the scene where the white girl and black guy make out as a goblin man watches on in ecstasy was a little on the nose

[@lordkrauser]

Oy vey...

[@coltonwhite2518]

The small hat tribe at it again.

[@rayvonvelez3129]

What bout the zombie heads?

[@silverscorpio24]

Mauler said it best: People praise this show, Amazon pumps out Season 2, and it will be worse, but "still good", then Season 3 will suck even worse and everyone loving the show now will cry about how quickly their show turned bad.

[@Ashkihyena]

I see the shill bots are here.

[@krissuyx]

When so many people enjoyed the show, why would you assume the defenders of the show are bots? Sounds like cope.

[@deeta000]

@@krissuyx Suspicious amount of “generic fist name/generic last name/random numbers” accounts with no pfp flooding comment sections like this. It’s a bit fishy.

[@TheAntonicKnight]

This show was like The Force Awakens, hiding a bad story that undid decades of worldbuilding while disguising itself in recognizable iconography.

[@drakeishere]

The show was truly horrible. I felt like I was losing my mind seeing all the positive reactions.

[@wojak-sensei6424]

It's the modern Fallout story in all the wrong ways: superficial, ungodly pedestrian, and somehow still managing to be poorly executed. Not the worst adaptation in the world, but certainly underperformed for what this franchise is capable of -when it's not written by Bethesda- when it's written by people who give a damn.

[@drakeishere]

@@wojak-sensei6424 Its such a depressing waste of potential more than anything.

[@wojak-sensei6424]

@@drakeishere Fallout 1 set the writing tone and theme of one of the most unique and iconic RPG franchises of all time. Fallout 2 is a goddamn meme machine, with arguably the second-most iconic faction of the franchise and a slew of quotable NPCs. Fallout: NV still has an active player base with some of the most well-written characters in video games, laying deep philosophical discussions on humanity, civilization, and post-apoc survival whilst giving the game a fresh spin. Even Fallout 3 and 4 have their moments of good character writing and world-building. There are next to no excuses for a poorly-written Fallout show. As I listed, you got a lot of examples to takes notes from.

[@fredy2041]

@@drakeishere Its not bad weirdo, the show is very good

[@ldmt1995]

Hasn't this been the case for years now? New piece of media comes out, the internet arbitrarily decides they love it, videos pop out singing it's praises, a month latter after the hype dies down videos come out pointing it's obvious flaws, the people who were gushing over it backpedal, everyone forgets about it. It happened with the mandalorian, puss in boots 2, the last of us tv show and now this.

[@lancearnedo7837]

wait, what's wrong with puss in boots 2?

[@ldmt1995]

@@lancearnedo7837 It's not bad, but I just don't understand why people pretended it was the best thing ever and I feel that when it came out if you voiced any criticism people dog piled on you, now i think that it's more accepted to say that the plot was boring and predictable, there were a lot of characters that added absolutely nothing to the story in fact they detracted from it and there is the addition of yet another annoying minion bait in the dog.

[@lancearnedo7837]

@@ldmt1995 yeah I didn't see any of that as a problem but if you did it's alright, it's just that I never saw people hate puss in boots 2, they all just stopped talking about it eventually

[@TheKillianKanVT]

I always viewed fallouts are less about "OOHH LOOK HOW TERRIBLE WASTELAND IS. RAIDERS AND MONSTERS" but more of a - look at how people are still hopeful and friendly, despite you being a total stranger to them. And they still rebuild everything despite world going to shit. Look at new vegas start - courier was just a random half dead body, and yet people of goodsprings helped for nothing. And even stood up for the guy, who ran away from the gunpowder gang. Or how shady sands from the couple of huts in the middle of a desert turned into beautiful capital of the huge structured power that was creating something bright for the future of the ruins of usa.

[@kyosokutai]

"It's just like the games!" is like, the opposite of a defense, when you take into consideration there are thousands of hours of essays on everything just fucking wrong with the writing in 3, 4 and 76. Starting with "somehow the enclave came back".

[@JasonX909]

That I can actually swallow, since in my head canon the Chosen One didn't unleash the virus, only blow up the rig, and Obsidian seems to agree since there were survivors in the Mojave. What I won't accept is that the Super Mutants are orcs now. No talking to them, no outsmarting them, nothing.

[@ThechronocrosserII]

I think the best things mauler said was along the lines of "the ride is fun but, once its over, the questions start to arise". Im at this weird place with the show. I liked it because it was very well made but, as a Fallout show (and also going back and watching FO1 and 2 videos. I've played 3, New Vegas, and 4), I think its fucking terrible. The one thing i HATE is how disingenuous some people are. "Well its a video game and blah, blah", like, you have no argument. Obviously people love it because of the lore and how everything tied into it. If you fuck with it, it just becomes more entertainment fodder (Marvel, Star Wars, etc.). We have to do better.

[@willbeard4835]

I really enjoyed the show but I never played any of the games. Seems like the show was made for normies to the games like me

[@Mister_Don888]

I’m pretty sure people only like it because it’s “accurate” to the games. Unlike the HALO show, which actually breaks it.

[@Gontz_Csst]

I'm pretty much sure that this whole series is a psyops. I don't know why theres still mobs of people defending it when it's such a piece of rotten shit. Like, seriously, if it wasnt fallout themed people would be destroying it, and the Best part of it is that if you quite every fallout-ish element from the series and make it it's very own thing, you just have improved it, because You just striped it out of every mayor lore contradiction and inconsistence, and every episode is just FULL of those.

[@davidpa9266]

What annoyed me about the raiders posing as vailt dwellers is that none of them were wearing Pip Boys, and no one noticed. That was a main way people recognized vault dwellers in the games.

[@slightlysaltysam7411]

Sad thing is, most people lower their expectations to the point of genuinely enjoying this stuff. Same thing happened with Mandalorian and ObiWan show. "If most people like it , then who cares" Good writing pleases both the audience with higher standards, and the audience without standards. Bad writing can only please one. It's either a win-win, or win-lose, shouldn't we all want win-win?

[@iamjurell]

Want whatever you like, the point is how you act on what you actually get. In Fallout what we got was good production value and performance with some humor and fun but with weak writing and plot. It's above average. May watch the next season as is convenient for me. What more is necessary when there's a hundred billion shows?

[@slightlysaltysam7411]

@@iamjurell I'm not entirely sure of what you are trying to get across. Plot and writing is the #1 thing that makes or breaks any story. At the end of the day, stories are just plot/narrative points that are delivered through some medium. For some, the medium is enough (medium being the actors, music, or visuals), but if the story fails, it was a bad show/book/movie but one with perhaps a good medium through which to carry it. You absolutely should give credit where credit is due and praise the medium of the story, but if the writing is poor, the story suffers and that's what people criticize mainly.

[@iamjurell]

@@slightlysaltysam7411 the 'medium' wouldn't be production quality but the fact that it is television-- which is why we would not be having the same kind of conversation about a book-- but it does have an effect either way because human brains don't perceive and process things separately, in order, left to right. My point, in regards to your comment, is that a production is and can only be experienced as the whole. One can engage second-order systems to think about individual aspects of a show (specific plot points or writing in general, for instance) but a production cannot be legitimately essentialized as any one perceived aspect. Likewise, the 'objective' review philosophy espoused by this channel, as far as I can tell, does not repudiate the notion that 'quality' is subjective but that *logic* is not: something does or does not follow, regardless of subjectivity. Therefore what I am saying is that this show is shlock, as in the selling point isn't its writing or performance quality (or how flawlessly the plot fits together) specifically but the overall result; this show has mediocre to moderate writing (the plot basically scans but is very leaky without even having to think about it particularly; you get the gist of what's happening) but excellent production and even some very good performances. I would also like to dispute the assertion that, simply, plot and writing are the principal concerns for the success of the delivery of a performance when the delivery (the 'medium' in your usage) is it's own thing-- are you saying that a perfect screenplay could outweigh truly terrible performance and production quality? Can you think of no instances where a performance or aspect of cinematography carries more emotional heft than the story that contains it? This is why one can be emotionally involved and invested in real-life drama that does not follow any script *or* sound logical basis, as real life rarely does.

[@slightlysaltysam7411]

@@iamjurell I am not saying that plot is the principle concern (or should be) I am saying that a story (plot/writing/narrative/theme/characters) suffer if the writing is poor. The whole production of the product can be more high quality than not. If the story is literally the only thing that is poor, then objectively the product has more high quality elements than not. At the end of the day, the story is only one element in a tv/movie production. And if the writing is poor, the story is poor as well. If the acting, visuals, score, setpieces are amazing, then odds are most will love the product, since it had more high quality elements than not. TL;DR is, people just want to consume high quality elements of a product, and if some product has mostly high qualtiy elements, then it will be perceived as "good". That makes sense. I (and most members of the channel I understand) prioritize the *story* above all, and fail to enjoy tv/films if the story is bad.

[@iamjurell]

@@slightlysaltysam7411 I believe I mostly agree-- and believe I mostly agree with most conclusions of this channel-- but I will add a little addendum: these things are selective specific to the viewer but...as an example...EFAP (and most every other human) is good for this rubric up until it buffers up against their own experience, e.g rags saying that this show has 'no redeeming qualities whatever' while also rags (and mauler) defending the prequels against RedLetterMedia in order to dispute qualitative praise (they said it was 'ok') of the Obi Wan show. All of a sudden the prequels come less 'objectively' bad when it adds to a criticism of something else. I will also say that I'm fully on board with the 'objective criticism' conceit and don't think that hypocrisy is a useful thing to point out, I'm just sayin'.

[@spnked9516]

There's someone poetic about the writers of the show removing the bone yard from Fallout only to put Fallout in a bone yard.

[@epicforger12345]

What! the fallout show is nowhere near as bad as the halo show

[@blank-vj1mc]

And that’s because you watch content for how it looks, not what it says.

[@nagger8216]

@@blank-vj1mc Or... it's just entertaining despite its problems and isn't a dreadfully boring soap opera like the Halo show.

[@blank-vj1mc]

@@nagger8216 So literally what i said. You can only find it entertaining if your expectations start and end with “it looks like fallout.” The writing is equally terrible in both shows. And at least Halo somehow manages to not destroy the canon and lore of the world like fallout did.

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

Fallout 1: horror and desperation Fallout 2: hope, humanity gaining traction Fallout 3: mix of desperation and sillyness Fallout New Vegas: ^ Fallout 4: sillyness

[@GhostLink92]

Todd repackaged Fallout 3's story, with the original games + FNV skin stretched over it. He moved on from selling Skyrim over and over, to selling F3 over and over.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

That's mostly because Emil only knows how to tell a story a couple of ways.

[@reggie6230]

Todd's a hack like that. Worst thing to happen to Bethesda. Look at daggerfall, then what came next. Open world my foot he shrank it every game! To say nothing of the actual games and quality.

[@Slender_Man_186]

That’s mostly the result of Emil Pagliarulo’s shit writing Fallout 3: find your father Point Lookout: find this person’s daughter in a swampy environment Fallout 4: find your son who’s named “Father” when you find him Far Harbor: find this person’s daughter in a swampy environment Fallout Show: Lucy has to find her father Time is a flat circle.

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

This is but a taste of what Mebschlie is working on. The Schlurpo of Tism will be glorious!

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Get that Schlurpo Mold out of here!

[@christopherhogan3953]

Why did people like the fallout show and hated halo? It's simple, halo fans just have higher standards

[@DJWeapon8]

Its also a numbers game. The Halo trilogy accrued more loyal fans than Fallout 1 and 2 did. More people to "self police" to maintain the ideal standard of quality in the IP and to hold whoever has the IP to said standard.

[@keyboardstalker4784]

Because fallout fans have fostered a community that is hostile to criticism. If you want proof, sort the comments on this video by newest first.

[@saisameer8771]

​@@keyboardstalker4784Bethesda fans more like. They are basically the embodiment of the consoomer meme. They buy half finished glitchy games and fix them for free. This is how you get to the complete disaster that was fallout 76.

[@keyboardstalker4784]

@@saisameer8771 A lot of these people are ones who played all the games including the OG ones. they just care more about brand loyalty and aesthetic adherence more than if it actually captures the substance. It's the exact same way with Halo fans.

[@GaudiaCertaminisGaming]

When Wilzig injected the blue thing into his neck I figured it was an item of biotec. In the last episode you find out it’s not and Wilzig could’ve hidden it in his sock. The only reason they do it is so they get to argue over a severed head.

[@AggressivelyMediocre]

Visually the show is good. I love that it has true darkness instead of that low contrast digital darkness movies have been using lately. Dark looks dark. We have sharp shadows and deep blacks. It makes the show look like it was actually filmed instead of shot on digital. The characters however are the typical modern audience self aware trash. They talk like modern day movies not like real people.

[@danielmaster8776]

Yeah, I hate that these types of characters keep getting made. I don't want to watch anything with them.

[@DrViperVideos]

Who else got Finn vibes from maximus?

[@grandarkfang_1482]

Not even close. Finn was at least a good person.

[@tastethecock5203]

Finn at least had good intentions, sometimes, at least he tried to do good things.

[@Gakusangi]

Utterly wasted potential, I'm starting to notice a very uncomfortable trend here.

[@resee9856]

​​@@grandarkfang_1482Finn is an awful monster. Gets second thoughts about the Empire because his comrades were dying left and right, twenty minutes later proceeds to massacre a 100 of them while cheering. I know new Star Wars is retarded and shouldn't be taken seriously but if we apply actual morality to it, Finn is the worst piece of crap.

[@Secret_Takodachi]

I can't wait for an overweight asian chick to save Maximus against his wishes & kiss him in season 2 😂

[@just_woodsie2421]

I was kind of surprised a lot of people seemed to like it. To each their own. I played Fallout 3 a lot and none of it was based on finding a sutable mate to reproduce and i didnt get past the first episode.

[@TheAntlionGuard]

A lot of the praise of this show seems to be very similar to Marvel praise. "Omg! Thing I recognize!" and then everyone clapped

[@SoloBruh1]

This might be the first time the EFAP boys hated a show I actually enjoyed. I agree with you guys on some of the points but it is what it is for me. I wasn't asking for a Fallout show. And I wasn't very hyped for the show. But I watched it just to see. And in the end I didn't hate it. So maybe that's the whole you can like something and agree it has flaws.

[@soulsearcher9620]

This prompted me to watch the first episode. They made a weird editing choice putting Maximus and Lucy's parts in alternating pieces rather than showing Lucy, then Maximus, then Cowboy Ghoul at the end to bookend it. It's such a bizzare choice to cut away from Lucy to this new character in the BoS then back to Lucy then back the BoS. Should've done them one by one for intros. How do you screw that up? Who told the editor to do that? I want them fired for this blunder.

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodc8475]

I will say, when I was initially watching the show with my brother I was having a great time with everything (except Maximus) but yeah, once we were done it started gradually falling down when I was looking back on a lot of events though the biggest hit was realizing it was actually canon. While I don't think it's not as bad as you guys do, I've definitely been coming around to it

[@Ferdinand208]

Finally people that saw the same as I saw. It was painful to keep watching Fallout after episode 1. The only reason I kept watching is because of Drinker. Kept looking to see what he liked about it... I can't see it unless you are talking very superficial. The songs are nice to hear. Some effects are nice to look at. Some acting is done well. Some sets look nice. But everything else is shit. World building, dialogs, story, ideas presented. Everything is brain dead. This is made by zombies. The worst thing is that Drinker was defending this piece of shit. My respect went to zero. How can you defend this? Trying to find logical arguments why characters would act this way... Disaster.

[@sithman1]

Drinker and many others are just grifters looking for clicks.

[@Ferdinand208]

@@sithman1 Drinker is one of the most interesting people talking about movies. If you think he is a grifter you are using your emotions. Not your brain.

[@Danny_J]

I strongly disagree with Drinker on this one too, but it happens. He isn't perfect, and nobody's immune to having a bad take. By his own admission, he gave Ghostbusters: Afterlife a pass at the time it came out, just because Ghostbusters 2016 set the bar so low, and now he regrets that review. I really think he's doing the same with Fallout. I think he's just so used to Hollywood adaptations being woke dogshit that openly despise their audience and source material that he extended the show a lot more goodwill than it deserves just for not being that. I'm pretty sure he'll revise his opinion on this show with time and distance.

[@sithman1]

​@@Ferdinand208 he does have some interesting points now and then I'll give you that.

[@InitiallyJayKay]

Turns out the fallout tv show is a sacred cow for some people

[@reggie6230]

For those paid to anyway. Haven't seen it this bad since the Disney botnets took off.

[@White-failure]

“Likgs ting mean sacrd cw!!!!” You people are drones

[@Secret_Takodachi]

Missed opportunity to call it a sacred Brahmin. 😂

[@communistcomputergod6449]

@@reggie6230must be hard, living in a world where everything is a conspiracy

[@theliato3809]

All im gonna say is. Didnt have to blow up the NCR.

[@liliesaregoodfortheliver2954]

Them blowing up Shady Sands and acting like the NCR is gone is like dropping a nuke on LA and then acting like all of California is gone.

[@communistcomputergod6449]

@@liliesaregoodfortheliver2954 who knows if the NCR is truly gone. They kept enough ambiguous in the show.

[@DogmaBeoulve]

I really wanted to like Lucy because I find her to be beautiful and I like a lot about her implied personality in the beginning - I like the upright and almost robotically goody-goody type of character and seeing how they engage with things but, for me, she started to fall through pretty fast because of how poorly she handled herself and, honestly, how puzzlingly bad the dialogue was in certain points. The talk with the scientist her first night out (her choice to also start a fire out in the open versus in one of the bombed out buildings was also weird) was so odd. The speech in the junker town was really strange too because she sailed right past her moment to "do the right thing" by taking advantage of the horrible situation and only stepped in at the very end and to absolutely no good effect. She was also weirdly okay with decapitating a man and walking around with his head - I wasn't looking forward to the scene with how much they had leaned into the violence and the gore and I was feeling bad for how Lucy might take it but it was glossed right over and she's patting and talking to the head minutes later. So fucking weird. Maximus was a disgusting character - he quickly burns away any goodwill you'd have towards his plight of being bullied because he's so inept but even outside of that he's just a nasty character. When his friend gets her boots lined with razors and cuts her feet and he gets hauled in for questioning I thought, at first, that he wasn't responsible for it but then he handles the situation so badly and even admits to having wanted her to fall so he could have a chance, or just to have her fall to spite her success that, by the end of the whole thing, I thought he was a disgusting coward that wouldn't admit to what he actually did. I was also surprised at how willingly the Brotherhood was to bring him on as a squire after his horrible admissions and his very-heavily-implied guilt in the matter. He was also a coward out there in the Wasteland so that just made him even more unlikable. The knight he was squired to, Titus, was also bafflingly stupid - just being shitty and berating him to the point of actively and repeatedly threatening him with a slow and torturous death... while he still very much needed Maximus' help to survive. So, unsurprisingly, the shitty person that is Maximus, in his slimy way, lets Titus die and then commandeers his suit and acts a fool. He's discovering the power of the suit and interrupts a confrontation between two Wastelanders and even after establishing that he can move quickly if he needs to or just throw things with deadly force incredible distances... he doesn't even attempt to rectify the situation he misread. He lets the chicken-fucker go without any punishment and doesn't apologize to the guy whose arm (I think it was his arm) he nearly broke for defending his property. I also couldn't like the Ghoul as a character. He's such a weird shithead in the story I obviously can't get behind him and I even found his characterization a bit questionable and I blame that on the introduction. He's doing the bounty for, apparently, what amounts to a love of the game and that's... it? Seeing how he plays off other characters was interesting and I liked how brutal and straightforward he could be... I think he's the character that, outside of his nebulous motivation, made the most sense and felt the most believable. I think most of my ill-will towards any of the characters comes down to the writing, for sure, not the acting because the guy doing Maximus really sold him on his pathetic he is, Lucy can really sell a lot of the supposed innocence of the character and the Ghoul is quite villainous. When the story wasn't being ridiculous and not making much sense or coming off as absolutely contrived then the dialogue was driving the whole thing further into the ground.

[@Ashkihyena]

This show sucked and naturally being a bunch of petty asswipes of course they were going to ruin the one game’s lore that they didn’t make the most, New Vegas.

[@liliesaregoodfortheliver2954]

I choose to believe them showing the Death claw skull was them saying "look, we killed it, fuck you"

[@Dexidoodle]

Things I liked... opening scene, Walton Goggins, the asthetic, The dog, Matt Berry as the Mr Handy. Things I hated... everything else.

[@chrisbj5251]

Edit: Copypasta from the debate video. The Fallout Tv show felt like a parody itself. Marvel humor and wacky gore is more marketable than the original grim yet hopeful setting. Everything most stay the same in the wasteland eventhough more than 200y pass, so no NCR, no rebuilt towns and no New Vegas. Bethesda is incapable of writing a story resembling something close to coherent so they ignored everything established by the original games (Remember this show is Fallout 5 according to them) -The BoS (who were dying of isolation) are now an incompetent and patriotic army full of progressive Iron men and they can fly now. -VaultTek was always the big evil from the start and they drop the bombs (Remember when Bethesda implied it was the Aliens who launch the nukes? Lol) -Vegas is in ruins because we can't have a new Nation breath. -NCR from california got wipe out despise having issues mainly in NV. -Somehow the Enclave return. -Lucy Vault entrance was right next to the Master backyard lol. There are too many examples why this Show wipe out legacy lore (not even mention how bad it is if you think about it) Like Halo, Star Wars, Warhammer or Dr Who, companies are inserting their own themes an agenda to appeal to the common dominator without any respect.

[@fredy2041]

Its not a parody weirdo, get your reality check

[@arturzinurov4781]

Here is my take why more people like this show over something like Halo 1) It’s not as spiteful towards the source material 2) It’s lighthearted so it’s easier to forgive issues you otherwise would have had issues with in a more “serious” story like again Halo pretended to be

[@abcde6081]

I genuinely feel like the only reason people like the show, is because the youtubers they watch told them it was good and thats it. It seems to be a pattern that most people online just go by either purely popular opinion or pure contrarianism without any real thought process, and this applies especially to bethesda fans.

[@Slender_Man_186]

I’d recommend Creetosis’ review of the show, he hasn’t done an overall review yet, but he has covered up to Episode 6, and trust me this show does have nothing but contempt for the old fans and what the franchise is or at least was. Bethesda said in the past “we’re not beholden to what someone 20 years ago wrote” specifically regarding Fallout, and this show proves that they do hate this franchise and see it as nothing more than a marketing tool.

[@thedarkderp2520]

​@@abcde6081i don't think people put that much stock in a youtuber's opinion it's most likely people who didn't know the games existed that praise it aka mainstream audiences

[@iamjurell]

​@@thedarkderp2520I've not played the games; I liked it because it was fun, mostly light hearted shlock that didn't indulge in directly preaching to the choir.

[@arturzinurov4781]

@@Slender_Man_186 well as far as I know fallout fandom is divided between Bethesda fans (3 &4) vs the og fans (1 & 2) because of how much Bethesda retconned the ogs and the show is more inline with what Bethesda’s lore is that accurate?

[@pwgdeathhawk8146]

I have to disagree with you guys on this one, this show was made with love, to get the look right, the atmosphere. Especially under Covid conditions they did a good job. Is it perfect story/character no….but what show/movie is, there are plot holes character flaws in everything from Buffy to Xena sometimes we just have to look past it if the care is there.

[@Rex-qd1od]

Nobody's asking for perfection my dude, there's a difference between having a few flaws and being almost comprised of flaws.

[@pwgdeathhawk8146]

@@Rex-qd1od but it really wasn’t completely flawed, my wife knows nothing about fallout universe and she managed to follow the story and enjoyed it, she is normally very critical of shows I watch like Star Trek TNG “oh that was convenient the Enterprise saved the day in the last 2 mins”

[@Rex-qd1od]

@@pwgdeathhawk8146 I mean, just take a look at it yourself, Mauler released his review of the show if you're interested, it's full problems.

[@Skeletor-EaW]

For me the biggest problem with this show is that it makes New Vagas non-sensical. Because the show revealed to us that House knew when the world was going to end. Meaning that not only is he lying throughout all of New Vagas, but he also had ambitions to go into space in New Vagas when he could've done that 200 years ago and worst of all he should've ordered express delivery on the platinum chip. Because then he would've had it on time rather than being A DAY LATE! Absolutely, non-sensical.

[@clsd88]

People have low standards and don't want to admit it. Instead, people hype up garbage. Member berries with no substance.

[@CrimsonWolf1775]

I find it telling that the content creators that have made a living making Fallout content are shilling hard for this terrible generic post-apocalyptic show in Fallout dressing.

[@josvoi2854]

I notice they’re making a cliche of powerless individuals seeking power, getting a taste of it, and then having revenge on the people they dislike in media. Nate from Ted Lasso comes to mind. Wonder how long before the writers figure out their heel turn was shit and try to make him relatable and likable.

[@baneintherain]

Loved the show and can't disagree more with someone that says there isn't one redeemable quality. That's too big of a stretch. It must be hard to enjoy anything with that outlook.

[@joshwenn989]

If they admitted to enjoying things too much they'd destroy the brands they've built up and collectively be out of a job.

[@jarradchapman4271]

To get the real Fallout experience, the studio would have fans' 'fix fics' canon-welded to the show and reshot using volunteers

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Rags talking through his landline telephone