Why the SNYDER CUT Worked and Josstice League Didn't - SCENE FIGHTS

The saga of the Justice League continues, with news breaking that a large number of the social accounts demanding #ReleaseTheSnyderCut turned out to be bots. But when you get past all the corporate politics, we still have two movies to compare. One made by Zack Snyder, and one by Joss Whedon. Everyone agrees that Whedon's version is the lesser work--but why? We have dissected ONE SCENE that shows why one movie works, and the other is a failure.
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Written and Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Harriet Lengel-Enright
#JusticeLeague #SceneFights
It’s time for us to talk about the Justice Leagues. For years now we’ve been making these VS videos where we compare two similar movies, and point out one scene that expresses why one is way better than the other-usually a Marvel VS DC movie. I’ve spent a lot of time criticizing Zack Snyder’s choices for the DCEU-but I also made this really flattering portrait of his influences as an artist, check that out if you want.
But as much as I disagreed with Snyder’s take on Superman, his vision of the Justice League is far, far, better than what the studio slapped together in 2017. Now the behind the scenes problems with that movie are well documented and being litigated in some court somewhere, so I’m not going to rehash every detail of the production.
I do think that I can point to one scene, just one scene that shows why one movie was this [clip]. And the other was this [clip]
Here’s the brief TL;DR on the Justice League’s production. Warner Brothers hired Zack Snyder to oversee the new DC extended Universe, a counterpoint to the MCU. The studio wanted to match the dark tone of the Nolan Batman films, so Snyder was an ideal choice.
His first two movies in the series, Man of Steel and Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice had their very vocal supporters, but the movies also had problems [Martha].
Fans like me hated these new takes on the heroes, and the studio decided they wanted the Justice League movie to be fun and zippy, like the Marvel movies. The problem is, this is 2016, Snyder had already shot his Justice League movie, and was in post.
But then, he suffered a terrible family tragedy and stepped away. So the studio brought in the guy who set the tone for MCU team ups, Joss Whedon, to Marvel-ize the movie for them. Whedon was apparently an ass on set, he claims the cast were asses to him, Henry Cavill wouldn't shave his mustache-you know the whole thing.
I’m retelling all this because the way Whedon was hired greatly affected the end product: the 2017 Justice League. If he would have had full creative control for the start, I'm sure Justice League would have been a good movie. But, instead we got this weird hybrid of a movie, where there’s no artistic vision, no soul, and events only occur because they have to m so we can finish the movie.
As different as these two versions are, I think you can distill their differences into 3 categories: One, how they move the story along. Two, the tone of the movie, that’s the overall look and feel. And three, most important of all: how they introduce the characters and build the lore of these heroes. That last point is key.
So the one scene that defined these differences, that shows us why one movie is this [clip] and the other is [this].
That scene is the introduction of Aquaman.
Both scenes occur near the beginning of the movie, so first let’s go over how Snyder and Whedon chose to open their stories.
The Whedon version opens with this baffling cell phone cam of Superman, which right away showcases Henry Cavill's fat mustache lip. The scene is pointless, does nothing, and only accentuates the movie’s flaws. [clip, hope is a river, winds-]. People don’t talk that way. Congrats, you write dialogue worse than martha.
The next scene is another reshoot-not a surprise, since some reports say 75% of the movie was reshoots, though that seems a little high. This scene is Batman apprehending a crook in Gotham. It looks fake and cheesy. But in any other movie I would be fine with that. A fun, zippy comic book story that’s obviously filmed on set with the Denny Elfman score [clip]. Any other day, sign me up. But here, it’s misplaced and silly.
The big problem with this scene is that it’s unnecessary. He kills the parademon, and the encounter is supposed to motivate him to recruit more heroes. But all of the groundwork was laid down in Batman VS Superman. Lex tells him about an invasion [can;t unring a bell] And then he tells Diana he’s off to look for more people.

[@razzle1964]

I think you hit the nail on the head in saying ‘WB wanted Avengers money, without taking the time…’.

[@TheGamingManiac]

The "I hear you can talk to fish" line is actually Snyder's, as it was in the Comic Con 2016 sneak peak. I think Snyder and Mamoa never liked that line as it was too silly so they decided not to use it

[@thenerdupstairs5705]

That information is of no use to Ryan..he's trying to pander at the moment.

[@ghostsohg4359]

Those are Geoff johns input. He forced snyder to shoot those scenes.

[@plkrtn]

@@ghostsohg4359 And your evidence for that is? ...

[@jeffowen27]

WB already had input even before shooting.

[@TheGamingManiac]

@@plkrtn he's right tho, Johns was on set and forced Snyder to shoot things "just to have it"

[@thenerdupstairs5705]

Martian Manhunter... doesnt help against Zod. Doesnt help against Doomsday. Doesnt help against Steppenwolf. Wakes up Bruce to tell him he's here to help... thanks Manhunter! 😂🤣

[@iboothby]

And Batman seemed annoyed to have been woken up by this second Superman.

[@GnomesRox]

Yup, let's show an emotional scene of two people grieving over someone they loved, by completely undercutting it and saying it wasn't real and putting in a scene of someone transforming into someone else.

[@Fenris30]

Yeah you really think a world that barely tolerated Superman would accept Martian Manhunter? There was a reason he mostly stayed on the Watch Tower even in the DCAU.

[@ugochukwuudeh6625]

Hate that they changed the original ending. It was supposed to be two members of the green lantern corps that met Bruce that morning

[@dominicmako4649]

I was dubious the Snyder Cut would save the movie, but it really does highlight what the theatrical release was missing, particularly the motivation of the villain. Steppenwolf became a much more well-rounded character, with his own fears and goals, and his level of power was much more apparent.

[@mervstash3692]

He was just as shyte as in the 2017 cut. With slightly better VFX.

[@kingoflebanon1986]

@@mervstash3692 it wasn't you can keep crying

[@mervstash3692]

@@kingoflebanon1986 cry about what?

[@silentsaturn7604]

Because one was the Frankenstein version of Snyder/Whedon/WB Studios, made under impossible circumstances and one had all the time in the world, single vision and a massive cash injection, not to mention the benefit of hindsight.

[@MSgt_0699]

Whedon said that he was hired to "fix" Justice League. The studio denied this, but they gave him money and they allowed Whedon to pull back actors to shoot new scenes. Thus, the studio lied. Also (13:40), I have never understood how everybody can understand that WB ordered a change in the Nolan/Goyer/Snyder plan, after MoS, to a rush job to JL, and that for this reason, Whedon can be forgiven for the 2-hour JL mess. But Snyder, who was forced to skip an MoS 2 (Nolan refused and walked) and originally placed on a hastened path to JL, is lambasted. The crowded BvS (3 movies in 1) was the result of trying to set up WB's ordered 2-hour JL ("4 movies in 1"). But as we can all see with Synder's 4-hour JL, Snyder absolutely understood that these characters needed space to breath before such a thing. Snyder did what he could with what WB wanted, just like Whedon did. But it goes back to the irrational hate of "not my Superman." MoS to BvS [Ultimate Cut] to ZSJL. I think Snyder pulled it off, despite WB's irrational panic and habit for butchering theatrical cuts.

[@mervstash3692]

mate you are easy pleased. All 3 were average at best.

[@apenasumgeek3149]

But in the Snyder-Cut scene there is the "I heard you can talk to fish", it is in the teaser. But is good that he cut it from the final version

[@lydentodd]

"final version?" version that got the benefit of two years of criticism... before re-editted...

[@blaggzear3152]

great comparison review. WB needs to continue Zack Snyders Justice League Story. Please God make it happen!!! I want to see how the JL Team beats the SH*T out of Darkseid!

[@NathanNoon]

"Heroes spend their time in our Universe" - Really felt this deep.

[@cugan83]

Pretty sure it was Nolan and his wife Emma Thomas that specifically chose Snyder after shortlisting a few other directors, not just a Warner Brothers choice. An important point.

[@andrewshandle]

Not really. What they needed was an executive producer/show runner, not a director to lead the DC Movie Universe. Disney made the same mistake with Abrahams for Star Wars, so even if Nolan suggested Snyder it's still a mistake by WB.

[@cugan83]

@@andrewshandle I agree it was a poor decision and they did need a producer like Feige but what I said was true, it was Nolan and Emma Thomas that ultimately chose Snyder.

[@mervstash3692]

They should have chosen a writer too because ZS is f'n sh1t at it

[@notyouraveragebear9326]

@@andrewshandle true and not true. The OP is correct but Nolan and WB brought Snyder on to make a Man of Steel movie with the possibility of a Superman trilogy. WB was the one who later during post production unofficially made Snyder a “Fiege” type for the whole universe and wanted the Trinity in Supermans 2nd movie and a Justice League movie as the 3rd big movie. Snyder’s compromise was him making a 5 film arc centered around Superman but adding other characters BECAUSE of Supermans influence. Snyder never wanted to captain the whole DCEU ship. Just his 5 film arc where other directors could take those characters and make it their own solo adventures. Which could have worked IMO.

[@markaholicsanonymous677]

Even so, from the onset of Snyders film career he has been working with Warner and they have always undermined his creative vision let alone believe in it

[@Zebraworm-fj6kn]

At 14:27 I honestly thought he was gonna cut to, "Somehow Palpetine returned"

[@clos24]

You could have done this for much longer like a 5 part video. You're clearly smart and honest with being biased as you said how you don't like the decisions I respect that unlike most haters who just hate the movies to hate it without understanding it.

[@Scott_G]

I LOVE LOVE LOVE these in depth comparisons. Keep them coming!

[@EximiusNero]

Yea I could have watched an hour of these breakdowns, Zack gave you a lot to work with ScreenCrush, I want to see a Pt2 to this video! :)

[@PintadoProjekt]

That "save Martha" line has impact on Snyder's version. It made Batman realize how Superman has some sense of humanity.

[@sas_masterDeath]

Interesting you bring up singing scene as your favorite because I did not get that experience *at all*. It didn't feel immersive, it felt cringey

[@sbi168]

I adore Snyder's vision and the further we get away from his vision shows how right it was for the darker vision to contrast marvels lighter disposition. Snyders world he creates is so visceral and lived in. You can feel the gods among us of these mythic heroes. Much prefer that vision to the grounded humorous marvel world.

[@razzle1964]

Oh my! I remember watching the movie & thinking ‘myeh’ and I remember being aware of some kinda ‘directors cut’ that, for me, might have helped make better sense of things. I didn’t realise it was a ‘different director directors cut’?!

[@famousgoldentouch]

Besides the facts about his performance directing this movie, I haven’t seen any comments talking about josses other work / any fans of him … he made / directed / wrote some of my all time series in my earlier years

[@token8376]

tbh i like Whedon's superman... i hate everything else yeah but he did superman pretty good. better than snyder

[@silentsaturn7604]

In most people's mind he is the villain that snuck in and stole the movie from Snyder, so acknowledging that he's actually a good film maker in his own right doesn't fit the narrative they're spinning. Mind you, I had more sympathy if he weren't a massive see you next Tuesday but separate the art from the artist and all that.

[@thenerdupstairs5705]

Darkseid... umm I know I found that Anti Life Equation but....what planet was that? Dammit Granny I forgot where I got my ass kicked....where was that?

[@silvahawk]

Can we appreciate the fact that at least the Snyder Cut happened? Even though it's for the movie, I don't know of another movie where a studio allows the release of the same movie with just different cut based on the fans request

[@kyledonnelly8069]

Snyder cut actually impressed me with how many scenes if just dedicates to saving human lives. Like so many. The heroes are violent but they're violence helps save and protect others. They aren't reckless or thoughtless, they lose control of situations but ultimately they wanna save as many people as they can. My fave scene is the Flash stopping falling rocks from killing people. It made being a good person cool again. Its kind of like how most modern movies paint cops as evil power abusing monsters. But in real life, cops are out there saving lives everyday. Movies that paint cops as human but ultimately good is never done, the only example I know is Hot Fuzz, where they manage to arrest the entire cast of bad guys and its framed as being awesome. It's just two cops doing their job, I want more of that. Superheroes should be all about saving lives and using violence only as a tool to protect others. The wonder woman opening shows this perfectly. She kills those men, because she's a warrior, she's good at violence, but its never violence for violence sake, she was protecting innocents. Violence and justice. Zach Snyder is a great film maker, but he has a style. The MCU is really good pop music and the Snyderverse was like ambient death metal lol both are art but both are not for everyone.

[@tomas7941]

I wish you made an entire breakdown of this movie :D

[@comicbooknerd3570]

Lol same

[@marcusyates3044]

Iron Man 2 VS Sonic the Hedgehog 2!

[@canis2020]

Are you serious? It's not even a contest. Sonic 2 is the highest grossing video game adaptation movie of all time. A masterpiece of cinema!

[@marcusyates3044]

@@canis2020 Can it compete with The Winter Soldier? I think not

[@canis2020]

@@marcusyates3044 I know Winter Soldier is amateurish in comparison. You are correct.

[@uvindukulathunga3860]

@@marcusyates3044 Winter soldier is 9/10 Sonic 2 is 8/10 both good But iron man 2 was a waste of energy and money they could have done many other great story lines 😓

[@anasrahman465]

@@canis2020 sonic 2 is great but not a masterpeace

[@marcusyates3044]

Justice League Dark VS Multiverse of Madness!

[@iboothby]

The one thing the phone scene with Superman and the kids off the top got right was showing Superman talking to the public in a friendly way. Aquaman is happy to be thought of almost like a God and have people sing songs and sniff his sweater. Superman should be different, no one should be sniffing his cape. In the Snyder version Superman doesn't even talk to the other Justice Leaguers after they save his life or to apologize for almost killing them. He inspires Batman but in a different movie. He brings everyone together to save him but doesn't inspire them with his actions only with his power.

[@HariOmRadhaKrishna]

Home sick with covid, my wife & I watched Great British Baking Show & Z. S. Justice League (on blu-ray) this week.

[@bshaddo]

In fairness, the worst line Snyder gave Superman wasn’t “Save Martha.” It was “Consider this mercy.”

[@cha0sking220]

What scene was that at again?

[@stephenblack5425]

Whedon Steppenwolf: looks like a rotten oreo biscuit. Snyder Steppenwolf: chad puppy.

[@SayMy_User_Name]

“You’re out of your mind Bruce Wayne” … “now, watch me as I descend into water that I can breathe under and talk to some fish”

[@johnofthenorth6653]

I feel like you started to touch on what is frankly THE problem with both versions of Justice League and it started with Batman Vs Superman. WarnerBrothers needed BvS to be 2-3 movies because it had to be Batman 1, Superman 2, and introduce Wonder Woman. You don't into 2 of out of 3 members of the DC Holy Trinity in one movie. BvS was already a crowded over stuffed mess of a movie and then they WB wanted a followup that like you said needed to be 4 movies in 1. Imagine Marvel starting with Captain America, following it up with Captain America: Civil War (which is nothing but a fight with Cap, Iron Man, and Thor for some reason before they team up to fight a half baked knock off Doctor Doom), then doing Avengers where they bring in Hulk, Hawkeye, and Black Widow. There would be no MCU. The DCEU is what happens when you're so busy training for a marathon that you forget you barely know how to walk.

[@Ze-rito]

Agreed, but also WB meddling is/was a big problem because the extended cut of BvS is a better version than the theatrical release and answered the questions people had.

[@johnofthenorth6653]

@@Ze-rito Yeah Ultimate version is better. Personally I'm a Jena Malone fan so it was nice to actually see her in the movie. Still doesn't help with the trying to be 2-3 movies part though.

[@Batman88878]

Hold on: how is the Superman cell phone footage thing confusing? You know going into this that it follows Batman v Superman. We know he's dead. There's no indication in this scene whatsoever that this takes place after BvS. Not saying it's a good scene, just saying that it's not confusing.

[@Kaijutopia]

Great video, ScreenCrush! The cross-examination was done phenomenally well.

[@thedoctor4327]

Probably will get hate for saying this but I think Whedon’s cut did a few things better: - Changing Darkseid to Steppenwolf in the flashback sequence. Him failing to conquer Earth before gives a better justification for Steppenwolf’s banishment than a vague reference to him participating in a coup attempt (which why would Darkseid spare anyone who tried to overthrow him?). It also avoids the stupid idea that Darkseid “forgot” Earth - Coversation between Bruce and Arthur in the village specifically, Bruce’s added line at Arthur’s lone wolf tendencies and dropping the women’s song/sniffing Arthur’s clothes - Keeping the mid and post credits scenes to a minimum instead of drawing things out for almost 20 minutes including bringing back Leto’s Joker who I honestly still despise - Dropping Martian Manhunter. Love the character but am really not a fan of Snyder’s writing of him/his role in the film. Other than that, yeah. I wasn’t blown away by Snyder’s cut (I’m at best ambivalent about his films in general) but it was much better than Whedon’s

[@andrewshandle]

I think the Wheddon did two other things wll. 1) Making Superman an _actual_ hero. No need to beat that issue to death here because Snyder fans will never agree with non-Snyder fans on his depiction of Supes, but clearly Snyder doesn't really "get" altruism very well. Leaving the big bad fight to save civilians was important. And 2) the "just save one" speech Batfleck gives to creepy guy Flash is outstanding and Snyder should have left that in the Snyder Cut. Oh, and I guess 3) eliminated 30+ minutes of slow-mos and really long, drawn out secondary shots. We don't need a slow-mo of Lois getting coffee or see a close up of the terrorist Wonder Woman is fighting changing his gun from single fire to full auto.

[@andrewshandle]

Oh, and your first point is spot on. Having it be Darkseid in the past just makes no sense at all and instead throws in a whole bunch of plot-holes and in a way, really diminshed the character of Darkseid.

[@lydentodd]

@@andrewshandle dear god, yes- 3 hours instead of 4 just cutting some LONG and SLO-MOed scenes

[@StareachValcin]

In all honesty, I don't think Darkseid was supposed to be a part of that flashback battle, and just replaced Steppenwolf's involvement in that battle because people were complaining about Darkseid not being in the theatrical cut of justice league. Darkseid's involvement just makes a huge plot hole that people are trying to ignore and Zack Snyder didn't properly fix. It also just diminished Darkseid's credibility as a multiversal threat. I also think that Superman was just overall better as a hero and a person in the theatrical cut of justice league.

[@andrewshandle]

@@StareachValcin I agree. Way too many people claim that the 4 hour cut was his original vision when clearly that wasn't the case, Darkseid was definitely swapped in for the flashback based on fan reaction. What's silly is with the added scenes where Stephenwolf speaks to him, Darkseid easily could have been the Thanos to SW's Loki, where we only catch a small glimpse of who he is.

[@az-quin2152]

Henry not shaving his mustache is so silly and unprofessional

[@ericericson5633]

He was under contract and shooting Mission Impossible at the time.

[@MJW98101]

Maybe the studio forced 2 hour max time limit should be lifted. if they did that to Justice league and for Thor love and thunder and it possibly made the movies worse maybe they should just let the movie be the amount of time it needs for the story to play out. and no I don’t care they’re just trying to make the movie get more daily showings in theaters, you need multiple weekends of sales not just one good weekend. And also if you’re making the story as good as it could be, fully flushed out, this isn’t gonna translate to high 4K Blu-ray sales. And also just hiring people that work well with Marvel isn’t gonna make your movies more like marvel when Warner Bros themselves doesn’t want to commit to making good movies, they just want that marvel money in the end.

[@snacklunch5607]

wait, one of these movies worked?

[@lydentodd]

best comment

[@jleewatts4318]

Agreed. Both movies are a failure.

[@mgrids455]

Fantastic and insightful video Ryan! I really hope you’ll cover more of how one succeeds over the other with the remaining cast and highlight some differences such as Steppenwolf, black suit Superman, Cyborg’s arc with his father and the inclusion of Darkseid. I’d really enjoy hearing your takes on all of these!

[@KaijuAKD]

Make a movie. Take note of everything people hated it. Make movie again, but change what people hated. Success.

[@nelsal6416]

Ah yes, the movie where Henry Cavill reloads his fists lol

[@dranksinatra2493]

As much as what’s been said, Snyder had a vision and it worked. It would have worked had there been a keen understanding that the MCU utilized then B & C level characters that weren’t a big draw/sell. Marvel could take the risk and Warner wouldn’t with its big three. As stated, Snyder understood the assignment as a grand epic to cement the foundation that MoS, BvS and WW were built upon… and yet the execs hobbled themselves and the DCEU’s momentum to a halt. The amount of characters, plot and development that was left in tatters on the cutting room floor vindicates all who were silenced along with Ray Fisher. That drama overshadowed the gem the project could’ve been.

[@Adrian-clarke]

*"In the MCU we spend time in the world of Superheros, but in the the dceu the heroes spend time in our universe"* 🙌🏼

[@inforafoodawakening]

No this is such a small detail but it bothered me so much watching the original Justice league. When Aquaman makes that joke about Bruce Wayne in front of all the villagers and Bruce Wayne just looks around like a sad embarrassed puppy. Batman wouldn't do that

[@lorenzo1701]

What do you think of James Gunn & Peter Safran being named the new heads of DC Studios?

[@Hasmanian]

How was Snyder going to paint a vivid canvas when he can't film in colour?

[@berengustav7714]

300 and Owls of Ga'hoole has colours...

[@thenerdupstairs5705]

Master Wayne will you need the helicopter? No Alfred... I want to ride a horse up that mountain...stare at the village and then make that poor horse carry me down.

[@ChristianFrates1997]

Snyder’s version is a masterpiece. Whedon’s version is a terrible parody.

[@uvindukulathunga3860]

Still what keeps bugging my mind is how exactly superman's super speed works Flash can use speed force to BEND the space time continuem. So he can enter super speed powers and get out of it. But supermans speeds looks like Biological ,so he shouldnt be able to turn it on and off So he observes the world in a 0.0001 speed ? I mean what kind of quality of life is that , at that point a man's first target should be to find a way to kill himself 💀 if otherwise I dont see how super man can turn super speed on before flash slaps him around a little bit atleast

[@johnofthenorth6653]

Just wait until you start looking into what happens when you impact atoms at that kind of speed. You know things like Hydrogen.

[@man.itz.ashton]

it doesn’t make sense cause dc doesn’t actually put time and effort into the story

[@MrVxBojanglesxv]

From what im aware based off comics it's kind of instinctual. In one comic supes and flash are playing chess at superspeed and superman didnt realise it til it was pointed out.

[@man.itz.ashton]

@@MrVxBojanglesxv it doesn’t make sense for superman to be as fast as flash. flash is literally the fastest man añive

[@MrVxBojanglesxv]

@@man.itz.ashton it makes perfect sense when you remember supes isnt a man, he's an alien. Plus flash is probably not moving at his top speed.

[@mrgreatbigmoose]

This universe needs to lead in to "Injustice" and their dark, gritty, barely working concept will take off like it had been planned the whole time.

[@danielhughes5932]

They both failed. One just has a stubborn fanbase that no matter how horrendous the Snyder cut was they'd claim to LOVE IT

[@brightotah]

The synder cut is even better than avengers and ages of utron Synder did a fantastic job Not that Jose whedon josstice league garbage 🗑

[@lukeveldkamp4516]

I'd argue that The Batman is the grittiest super hero movie.

[@ampersand2001]

Damn it Ryan, you have made me want to watch this movie after I've been avoiding it for years

[@nicholas.alan85]

Dude .. the Snyder Cut is, honestly, an INCREDIBLE experience to withhold. Not just a movie, an EXPERIENCE.

[@godwinpeter2588]

This video feels like an explanation of how i now see ScreenCrush's KZbin channel VS NewRockstars. I used to love NewRockstars, always thought is was the best channel about comic book movies and series, but after finding ScreenCrush, and watching how Ryan does his videos, very informative and interesting, perfectly done, with pinpointed humor, and down to earth theories, NewRockstars slowly fell into the same room as Marvel these days, with unnecessary humor and very very wild theories.. Great work.. i know i am just one subscriber, but you have my Respect. Amazing Video

[@Angyali]

Noone clarified how is it SOOOOOOO NOTICABLE, that Cavill had a mustache, even with it being computerly removed.

[@famousgoldentouch]

I struggled to get which 3 heroes needed to be introduced completely new ? Cyborg ? Flash, Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are quite known … I assume aquaman?! also ?

[@thejonbrownshow8470]

Thumbnail showed me why ultimately it was a good idea to cover up the stache. Just looked awkward on a Superman lol

[@Evangelium]

I wonder if we would get an un-cut Thor: Love and Thunder? 🤔

[@Niibaah]

You seem to forget how important the extra 2 hour run time had effects on zack Snyder movie

[@dapearl1463]

I heard, or think i saw somewhere, where someone talked about the the full development of superman where he was supposed to fall and become dark (edit: I THINK it was Snyder's leaked full story line). It was the whole apocolyps storyline where superman was supposed to understand what it was to become a hero and understand the consequences of his great power and all. So ... just like OG Star Wars we discover that the story wasn't really about luke but was vadar's redemption ark, so too with justice an all it was supposed to be Superman's 'redemption' or growth into a true hero. I dunno how authentic that take on the full story line is, but if it IS true would that change your mind on the Snyder take of Superman?

[@TheeIsaiahJames]

More Scene Fights!! Always so well-done and thought provoking!!

[@jamesilagan189]

Vid deserves to be longer. There must be more.

[@celondelon351]

I get the point about the Aquaman scenes but the singing villagers was the worst, it was over indulgent and unnecessary. It didn’t put me in the world it took me out and typifies why this film is unnecessarily long.

[@ElysiaBrenner]

I definitely laughed HARD when that woman started sniffing his sweater...for like a full minute!

[@MotorcyclingMusicAcrossAmerica]

Is there going to be a part 2 to this video? It seems like you only made it past the first scene and then quit. There are soooooo many other differences.

[@theREALbroeve]

That’s the point of this series of videos. To highlight why one movie worked vs another, using one scene.

[@theleader2365able]

In the Josh Weadon version after they defeat Steppenwolf and pull the mother boxes about when cyborg says my toes hurt my toes hurt it starts laughing so cringe like eat my hammer

[@AETHEREALMINDS]

Fun fact… ADR actually stands for “Automated Dialogue Replacement.”

[@charleshugus9947]

Did you do a fear street breakdown? Actually good

[@ElysiaBrenner]

Let's be clear: the Snyder cut did *not* work... I will forever be haunted by the hours of my life wasted watching prolonged sequences of Jason Momoa pointlessly pose amongst the crashing waves, or an Icelandic choir singing until a lone girl starts creepily huffing Momoa's shirt... Also, I get that they gave all the characters more screentime (happens when you double the runtime), but that doesn't mean their stories have been *improved*. Take Cyclops for example - it's terrible how the actor was treated overall, and I'm so bummed we won't see him in future films....but the Whedon cut actually gave his character more agency to discover and develop his own powers, making him a stronger character. In the Snyder cut, all his agency was given to his father. Just one example that didn't work for me. The climax of the film also managed to make a bad scene worse. To be clear: I'm not saying Whedon's version is good; just that I will begrudgingly watch that one again, but never, ever will consent to be forced to sit through the Snyder cut again.

[@ElysiaBrenner]

(But, yeah, the Snyder opening is definitely better...not necessarily the scene described in detail here, though. For example...why tf does Batman speak Icelandic in Snyder's version???)

[@WebSpyder777]

@@ElysiaBrenner Because he's Batman. ;)

[@ElysiaBrenner]

@@WebSpyder777 Oh. I guess missed the part in the comics where Batman had linguistic superpowers 😂🤣

[@ajjones7013]

@@ElysiaBrenner Bruce travelled the world for 20 years training to become Batman. Its safe to say he picked up a few languages along the way.

[@WebSpyder777]

@@ElysiaBrenner in case you weren't aware I was referencing the running joke from How It Should Have Ended

[@sammeyphammey349]

I just realized how messed up it is that a dude who can talk to fish, can also heartlessly give those creatures away to be eaten

[@sammeyphammey349]

I blame the boys for my revolation

[@shehankenway2019]

You didn't reveal which one was worked

[@alexdamaceno]

I remember watching the Snyder Cut the day it came out with a friend of mine. The movie starts, the Bruce-Aquaman scene begins, things look similar to the theatrical cut, but with some subtle differences, and then Arthur leaves. But when those women start singing, then the camera closes on the main singer’s face, we both said at the exact moment: “Wow…” - realizing that we were REALLY watching a whole different movie.

[@phoule76]

the Whedon laugh track really ties everything together well

[@idbuyanewbmx]

The laugh tracks were awesome lol

[@scottstokes1878]

whats with the tinkly background music? i kept pausing the video to see if there really was an ice cream truck driving by

[@nabongobong9155]

I just watched the Whedon's cut not so long ago to compare some scenes and watching u commenting on that "that's the opposite of the saying" line and how bad it is is sooo satisfying And yes I just cant help but notice most of the reshoots bcs some of them are really visible, especially for how fricking odd they look comparing to the Snyder's shoot

[@Rahul-ll1en]

I agree with everything you said. A superhero ensemble movie without their proper origin stories would be pointless. Avengers had to introduce none of the new character in The Avengers. While the Iron Man, Thor, Cap, Hulk had solo outings. Black widow appeared in Iron Man 2, while Clint had a brief stint in Thor 1. Justice League(2017) was really a blemish. They should never have done that, They should've instead released Snyder Cut in 2 parts. That would've made the movie so much better!

[@GregDeocampoogle]

the singing swedes were unendurable.

[@chargoesboom6990]

I'll listen to a Danny Elfman score if he's involved with Tim Burton

[@mattyboyb523]

Nice video !! I’d like to point out that the studio mandate was just as impossible for Snyder as it was for Whedon. Snyder was the one with yeh guts to say NO to them. Twas when the problems became ridiculous between the studio and Snyder. The movie was made and he wasn’t backing down. We probably would’ve gotten a 3 hour and 20 minute movie but no way we would’ve gotten 2 hours like Whedon bent over to provide. And I still don’t understand why you don’t like Snyder’s take on Superman. The Boy Scout version is going to make its way back and I’m certain it will be terrible and universally hated because it won’t fit into the atmosphere of this genre today

[@NateGreat897]

My favorite part of the Snyder Cut is lack of Gal Gadot butt shots and non sexualization of Wonder Woman for a gag.

[@crackills1]

great video! would love a follow up /complete laugh track montage 🙏

[@frankjb8084]

When there's no content so you have to manage🤣🤣🤣 you might as well cover Solar Oppisites if you want "content". You'd be the first one covering that show

[@bendmadio]

Smelling Aquaman's shirts was cringey

[@jerbs5346]

Although there were alot of things The Synder Cut got wrong, I still found it more enjoyable than Josstice League.

[@alexandertilita]

more on the differences please great video!

[@noahgoldowitz]

Neither worked.

[@fledpick342]

Bro is hating just to hate at this point. No argument or anything

[@thenerdupstairs5705]

Hey Batsy we have zero chance against evil Superman so...just let me give you that reach around I promised you.. and I promise Mera will drop her ridiculous british accent.

[@VanAlexi]

Okay but can you tell us why Dawn of The Seven worked better than the Justice League: Snyder Cut?

[@anerdentertainer698]

ok man i was annoyed by that scene so so so soooo much. That singing should be cut

[@tobaji]

You are forgetting he threatened Gal Gadot telling her that if she didn't do and say the lines asked, he will ruin her career... And also the fact that the daughter of the director suicide and the Studio didn't want to postpone the films premiere (because of their bonuses)

[@Reivanhist]

I'm sorry, but I can't finish watching this video because there's a mistake from the very beginning. In the theatrical version, its beginning show alienation of Superman from the world, and then how this world lives without him, that is, without hope. Snyder shows a ridiculously screaming Superman and the first of many plot problems of his version. The boxes were activated by the Death of Superman, because the world was without protection. Then why didn't the boxes activate earlier? After all, there was a long period of time when this world had no heroes at all.

[@famousgoldentouch]

Although I’m a fan of zacks version I have to agree with u totally !!!

[@Reivanhist]

@Erik Kemeey The film directly says that the boxes realized that the Earth was left unprotected, that it is connected with the death of Superman, that directly shown.

[@justinbrock9125]

Snyder's version is better? Man, bold take.

[@Romil_un]

Justice for Henry mustache 👨

[@TheDestroyerX]

Iron Man 2 vs BVS

[@thomasharvey1297]

They both failed

[@uvindukulathunga3860]

Znyder really like to Goddify Super heroes doesnt he I'm not saying its conpletely bad But the general publics reaction to Avenger is much different bit then again Avengers are mostly heroes made by science that we know 🤷

[@WebSpyder777]

While I have issues with Snyder (like the fact that he tries to deconstruct heroes before actually presenting them first) the issues you describe are just fundamental differences between DC and Marvel even without Snyder.

[@feloniusmonk706]

LMAO! the women singing was hilariously ridiculous and cringe. And a billionaire superhero with multiple planes and boats...travels horseback over a mountain to get to a village on the sea??? The WB execs were right that Snyder's movie was trash but they would've been better off just putting it out than trying to "save" it.

[@andrewshandle]

The issue there is the money has already been spent at the time Snyder left the project, so the financial decision at that point is: Can we pay Wheddon 10M bucks and do some reshoots and at least try and make some money back? If they abandoned the project then they just lose 250M full stop. But by putting it out they generated 660M in revenue, which still meant it lost money (after advertising and the theaters taking their cut), but it lost _way_ less than 250M, and now they have something they can put on TNT, TBS and HBO until the end of time, so slowly, over time, I wouldn't be shocked if the movie was actually profitable or at least broken even. Too often the sunk cost fallacy is ignored, but in this case they probably made the right move by bringing in Wheddon to at least recoup some value.

[@feloniusmonk706]

@@andrewshandle Disagree. Read the rolling stone article. it cost them way more than 10M to bring Wheddon in and do reshoots. it cost them another 100M to do the Snyder cut. it cost people their jobs and reputations. a lot of financial and personal drama would have been avoided if they just put out Snyder's version to begin with.

[@andrewshandle]

@@feloniusmonk706 You don't understand the economics of it. Ignore the concept of the Snyder cut, it didn't exist in 2016 when they had to make their decision. The budget had already been spent on the 4 hours of screen time Snyder had made, most of the special effects were done, and he'd already given WB at 2.5 hour cut of the money which the hated, then he left the project so he as out of the picture. So at that time WB had two choices: 1) Just shut it down completely. All that money is gone and you are never getting it back and you're looking at a 300M black hole in your books. Sometimes this is the right move in business, don't throw good money after bad. 2) Spend some additional money on Whedon and reshoots, let's even say its 100M more for the sake of argument, but if you go this route you need the film to make more than what this additional spending costs, that's all. The answer is clearly 2) because the film made 655M which easily covered the cost of option 2) and ate into some of the losses of 1). The net of going for 2) was the right move, especially now that the Theatre Cut is on TV so much, it's constantly eating into the sunk costs up front, that eventually it'll be profitable or break even. Too often people will _always_ go with option 2) because they don't understand the Sunk Cost Fallacy, this is not one of those cases. Option 2) minimized their loses and may eventually lead to a small profit.

[@makielcepeda9003]

Can you deep dive more about the movie?

[@MysteryFoxx3506]

Better comparison would be the animated movie vs. either of these cuts.

[@StrangerX9]

I hate these movies so much I can’t even watch recaps of them.

[@tinofaratinashemukakaso5632]

Huh it's over, I thought that was the beginning with a whole lot more to come

[@sfkeepay]

The best scene in the Snyder cut was…WHAT NOW?