Why the Storyteller Matters

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[@cummins24421]

19:10 My father was a horrific abuser, physically and mentally to myself, my mother, step mother, sister, etc. I'm 36 and have never laid hands on a woman, child, or animal in anger. I knew I never would from the time I was 10 years old or maybe even younger. I make more and have a better life than anyone I know I'm related to.

[@smokeymoe842]

Have you forgiven your father?

[@cummins24421]

@@smokeymoe842 I have no connection to him. Whether he's worthy of forgiveness is between him and whoever is around him, not me. I barely think about him anymore.

[@janos1945]

​@@cummins24421you are being resentful

[@GOODGUYUP]

I hurt an pet dog when I was younger. Because I was abused. But never would I hurt humans only if I was underbattack.

[@rafaelgonzalez4175]

Quick long story. I was abused by my dad. In the same kind of way. What made it worst was that he wasn't even my biological father. I did however grow up to be a pugilist. I did beat down a few people. I did use anger in violent ways. It wasn't just a few incidents. I have been arrested twice for fighting. It wasn't until way later that I had this strange thought. I really did feel bad each time I walked away from those fights. Some of the guys were badly hurt. It wasn't until I started reading the Holy Bible again that I decided, I would never fight again unless I really need to defend myself. My belief in the Word that is God in the Holy Bible is what forbids me from being an anarchist.

[@stokrotnie7]

Reading the Bible alone is not the same as reading other books. It’s in fact meeting with the Teller. In the case of the Bible reading especially, we need both the community and solitude. The latter is super important. Because, it’s not only about interpreting the text intellectually. It’s about being in its presence and letting the Word of God talk to your unique experience, your heart. Solitude is super important here.

[@chadparsons50]

Agreed. Solitude is more important, but both solitude and community are necessary.

[@debragodfrey4554]

Agree…The Holy Spirit brings revelation in community and solitude.

[@brando3342]

I agree with you, to a point. Nothing about traditional Protestant teaching has ever said “it’s just you and the text”, Peterson created a straw man that Catholics tend to use. It’s much more than “just you and the text”, if that weren’t true, we wouldn’t even have “traditional Protestant doctrines”. The very fact they exist refutes that point.

[@stokrotnie7]

@@brando3342 Sorry, I’m Catholic, not a Protestant. I’m don’t know much about traditional Protestant teachings. I don’t get what straw man you refer to, either. You know… I like Protestants. I sometimes listen to their sermons online. There’s a LOT of overlap. But too often when I meet a Protestant I hear a strong negative conviction about Catholicism that is critical of something that simply doesn’t exist in our doctrine. Worse still, I have yet to hear such criticism expressed in a tone that is not downgrading or dismissive. It’s annoying beyond reason. On another note, from what I know JP isn’t Catholic. His wife has become one recently ❤️ but - to my knowledge - he isn’t. So, you probably shouldn’t take every word of his for Catholic doctrine. It might not be. (I’m saying it respectfully to JP ❤️) By saying „just you and the text” I meant praying with the Holy Scripture in solitude and letting the Scripture talk to your heart. I was sure it’s what you, guys, do was well… Bless you, brother. ☀️👋

[@tru2thastyle]

No. You're wrong; that would be plausible if God literally wrote the Bible, but they were all inspired texts by his followers. In order to properly understand the Bible you would need their context! Which you probably lack and will just substitute it for your own personal interpretation. After you that people like you will go and start another Protestant denom, or possibly even a cult!

[@joiedevivrefrench]

Dr. Jordan Peterson and Ben you are both part of the council of men that I have. And I feel so grateful that you continue to share your wisdom with us online.

[@Imitatechrist]

Well put.

[@StalkedHuman]

You are the beasts of the earth.

[@Amaranthos2]

From 18:15 on was amazing. "You'd expect that people who were marginalized on many dimensions simultaneously might harbor a certain amount of bitterness and resentment as a consequence of that, and a certain amount of justified hatred for 'the status quo.' But my experience as a clinician has been that people who have been bitterly tormented may be more likely to collapse altogether...but they also seem to me to be more likely to have the opportunity to derive an absolutely stellar character out of their misadventures. Right? To conclude from everything that they have been subject to that taking on a role of the bully themselves, for example, if they were from an abusing family, is the WRONG conclusion to derive from that example. And we know that this is true even mathematically..." Both my wife and I, along with our friend, have known this to be true in our own lives for some time now. I use "friend" singular rather than "friends" plural intentionally, as we have found that we cannot remain acquaintances for any amount of time with people who do NOT fit this specific profile, and as such we have both settled down on just one such lifelong friend, and would not trade them for fifty of anyone else. However, the thing I appreciate the most about the above quoted anecdote from Mr. Peterson, is how he continued on to back his findings up with empirical data. As I stated already, we have long held his hypothesis to be true, but always just figured it was an uncommon quirk that one in a million people displayed. It truly is good to know there is hard evidence for this being "an actual thing," as it makes us feel less like a random band of outcast survivors with a shared broken personality trait in common, around which our existence revolves and through which our relationships are maintained (therefore this one specific singularity essentially defining and BEING our entire existence and identity,) and more like our lives are uniquely our own and have a meaning to them beyond just "well, we didn't appreciate our upbringing very much, so we simply decided to try it the opposite way." Thank you as always, JP.

[@dll7658]

Thank you❤

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

I think ur saying, hurt ppl HELP ppl Not, hurt ppl hurt ppl Right? But ur saying that that’s a rare outcome?

[@Amaranthos2]

​@@YeshuaKingMessiahIn it's most basic format, yes I think you could summarize it in that way, although when put that way it's no longer always true. But I think the more important focus there is, yes absolutely that is a much rarer outcome than otherwise. Long-term systematically broken and / or hurt people don't often have the opportunity (...or immediately apparent INCENTIVE) to look beyond themselves in order to recognize - and try to meet the needs of - other people, for obvious reasons.

[@hugovandyk9918]

​@@Amaranthos2life's not about what you get, It's about what you do with what you're given. Good people are rarer than the other sort. As much as good soldiers are rarer than average soldiers, as much as good leaders are rarer than bad leaders, good students are rarer than bad students, good teachers are rarer than bad teachers... Just because it's an uphill struggle to be good, be that a good person or a good teacher, it doesn't mean one should stop striving to be better. We should also stop using the word 'justified' in this context, call it what it is, an excuse.

[@sachalbaloch5228]

Jordan you changed my lifee thank you so much. You hugest fan feom Pakistan ❤

[@pennilburu3942]

13:49 14:03 we have a Swahili saying that Goes, Mwacha mila ni mtumwa. Meaning. Whoever ignores and foregoes tradition is a slave.

[@DJTS1991]

When I was a child, back in the 90s and throughout the 2000s, I was told that I talked too much… to shut up, and that nobody cared about what I had to say. Coincidentally, I also “mysteriously” ended up with various diagnosed learning disorders. Now 33, with a job, a baby on the way, a mortgage and I’m getting married next month, I can’t help but feel all of those ‘disorders’ were just labelled excuses for poor teaching. By being unable to speak, it vastly limited my ability to learn and grow. I now read religiously, but my friend base for deep, powerful topics and concepts is frighteningly low.

[@abaysgames]

Makes some sense don't it

[@whatbrigiddid6492]

I wish you well. You can succeed despite the educators who let you down. Commitment and conscientiousness trumps ‘book smarts’ any-day of the week.

[@EdVed206]

Where do ya live Mate? Maybe there’s somebody like-minded to you living in same area. I feel the same way. I live in a place where I have very different values and beliefs than those around me. It used to not matter as much, but as I’ve gotten older I see that it does. I’m in Seattle

[@johnnyraven4217]

Wow. - my head is spinning, simple serf that I am. Not that repeated viewings and discussion can’t overcome . So much to learn!

[@tjohn6echo]

Its just another lengthy (20-30mins), convoluted way these 2 pseudo intellectuals making their old tired partisan proclamation of: LEFTWING = bad RIGHTWING = good. 😂😂😂 They always started out with some intellectually valid points on the TOPIC they set out to discuss, but somehow will invariably descend into a digression of making their silly, reductionistic political assertion that, political left = Bad, political right = good. 😂

[@Amaranthos2]

Very much open to the "discussion" part of that, right here in the comments if you like.

[@scottmcley5111]

At around 14 minutes, Jordans commentary on the analogy on Thomas Jefferson is spot on.

[@TonyEspana182]

As a Catholic I appreciate Ben standing up Catholicism and pointing out the strawmen attacks of it.

[@overkill1025]

Strawman attacks? The Christian religion is itself a strawman. None of the claims are founded. The origins of Christianity come from the songs that were sung. All the rest was added in later. By the time of Jesus human civilization was ancient and gods were worshipped around the world. You guys strawmanned the original followers of god and called them devil worshippers. It was Christians who strawmanned the world wide concept of multiple gods and replaced it with a single god based on mistranslations of ancient texts. If you wanna talk catholic how about the atrocities of the Catholic church. A simple phrase shuts you down on the presence of anyone with any historical knowledge.

[@overkill1025]

I get finding comfort in the values of your family but you're giving it a false label.

[@Filthee_casual]

But about the kids though?

[@cprove5751]

The Catholic Church has been one of the most evil and corrupt organizations of all time. Christians need to wake up and see the truth.

[@AlexanderWilson-yo9eq]

Follower or Christ, Christian pray for the prosecutors not gossip and hate when they did gossiped and love all our fellow brothers and sister there darkness is it the real them come from the evil one that the one u keep under your feet the evil one

[@makeitcount179]

I agree with Ben that we need more interpersonal communication in group format. Not only is it good fellowship with like minded people, but learning from what others know is and added bonus to having each other correct misperceptions or misunderstandings.

[@user-ov6zy2dh4d]

Thanks. Absolutely wonderful subject. Great!!!

[@brettetaggart5976]

I can't possibly get enough of you 2. This is the best piece that I have ever seen. Thank you for being so brave and lovely. I can barely sit still after watching this. You guys are the very depiction of what you speak. Wish there were more people drinking this tea. Our crazed world would be a better place.

[@cantseeusprius9069]

Thanks!

[@austincrittenden5363]

Great video as always 👍

[@bobbynicole10]

listening to conversations of this caliber is one of the things that makes life worth living 🤯💥

[@StalkedHuman]

Have you ever toked yourself in front of a mirror 🪞. People ought not 🚫 enjoy such silliness but you,.. I think 🤔 .. supercharge your life. Maybe print 👣 up t-shirts 👕 with your picture 😊🖼️ on it.

[@ExecutiveZombie]

Nailed it! 🤌🏾😎⚔️☀️

[@boomguitarjared]

There are good examples of this in general media today, as people are far more likely to consider new information from people they are ideologically in sync with, ahnd opposite for those whom they disagree with. They could both give the exact same information or story, ahnd people would be more likely to believe it from the person they have a similar world view to.

[@gilil1696]

Any organisation is judged by its results, whether it be products or behaviours. One can delve deeply into the views espoused here. However, a very simple biblical tennet states "By their fruits, you will recognise them.." Pointing to whether an institution, person or denomination and its doctrines, is good or not.

[@barak5122]

Real pleasure to listening to both of you! Thank you! ❤

[@user-hp9nf3qb6s]

Thank you for sharing your interesting discussion. I just wanted to say: the term "protestantism" (as with other terms) can be over generalised by obtuse statements. I don't think "protestantism" in one of the the "historical" senses wanted to promote "narcissistic mindsets" (Indeed, there's a lot of "oral tradition" within "historical protestantism"). Human nature is naturally selfish and can corrupt anything as a consequence. The "historical protestantism" I know: views the Saviour as the fulfillment of the ceremonial law (not the moral law) and respects those who have faithfully preserved scripture throughout the centuries

[@ariadnabarajas2276]

Mind blowing 🤯

[@Justyouraverageguy172]

Thank you for this. It really helped me out a lot Mr. Peterson and provide clarity to what God has been calling me to do in bringing unity back to the Catholic Church and those in isolation with the Books I feel led to write.

[@issiahbernaiche6897]

A side note, no one took point of the Shroud. (A touched up image) That’s a fascinating story of an artifact itself. Which an assessed array of factors accumulate the shroud to be authentic. Which is profound on multiple levels. Great segment between the two men of points made that are greatly important to be discussed and to be aware of.

[@GThomas-qq6mp]

8:44 Like the executive you interviewed

[@Hexadeci]

I’ve always thought it was fascinating that in Ancient Greece for thousands of years there was a pre-writing oral tradition of storytelling, including long stories like Homer. Hence the pentameter as a mnemonic device. What an amazing capability. The stories would have naturally evolved into something unique and fundamentally important.

[@reliantncc1864]

If you think about it, that's all the Indians had, since they never developed writing. But writing is important, and it's led to a vastly superior and deeper storytelling capability to anything the Indians ever had.

[@derekbentley334]

He was no different then I. Understanding with a broad understanding of topics subjects. I know of classifications and their TS all was seen the build of the repetition.

[@filipobalbus6887]

Right. Most probabily the first christians were in talks with the empirics like Sexto Empirico and Menodoto of Nicomedia, Filno of Coz, and Glauceas of Tarento, and with with the Epicurians as seen in Villa Papiry of Ercolano discoveries

[@karisbellisario619]

“As iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens [and influences] another [through discussion].” - Proverbs 27:17 Amplified Bible

[@comedyveep]

Please sit down with Pastor Doug Wilson, a powerful protestant storyteller. Jordan would enjoy his insight.

[@keithjohnsonYT]

Reading on religion, there is a point where the book can take you no further…you gotta find a practitioner. I understand Ben is married, and he seems like a good kid, but I’ll admit I haven’t really followed Ben.🤷‍♂️ He seems to be a great representative Jew.👍 I have followed Jordan (just another voice online) embarrassingly long, and have probably only scratched the surface of what is available. I understand he has been with his wife since high school, which I think is not only old fashioned, but actually admirable. I can only imagine what suffering is necessary to contain the landscape of information he holds and displays for us all. (I imagine he knew a few things before he met her, but she’s been there with him through it all…admirable.) When he talks it often sounds like the voice in my mind reminding me of things I already knew, and shedding light on ways of inter-connectivity ahead. I often think he’s talking as if he’s just talking to himself or his wife…maybe the kids, if he’s getting specific..you know, it’s about resolution sometimes. I’m reminded, we’re on our own, but not alone. ✌️

[@RepairRenovateRenew]

Petersen should be canonized as a saint for the depth and unceasing dedication

[@TJ-kk5zf]

In his own mind, he already is

[@mattmyers2624]

"Give 'em hell" - Peterson to Netanyahu before Netanyahu unleashes acceleration of genocide. Bravo, bravo.. very saintly.

[@tjohn6echo]

@@mattmyers2624 And when Netanyahu recently proclaims that his (genocidal) military operations in GAZA was in a way, "saving western civilization" , Peterson somehow didn't see that as VIRTUE SIGNALLING. lol

[@TJ-kk5zf]

@@mattmyers2624 it's not genocide. It's freedom fighting

[@TJ-kk5zf]

@@mattmyers2624 free Israel

[@azizmahama8094]

This type of insight in the Noah and Ham story is why I listen to JP!

[@kjh8067]

I truly apologize for my previous callous comment. I very much respect who you are.

[@blzz42]

(Proverbs 18:1) - “A man who isolates himself seeks his own desire; He rages against all wise judgment.” (Ecclesiastes 4:9-12) - "Two are better than one because they have a good return for their labor. For if either of them falls, the one will lift up his companion." (Hebrews 10:25) - "Not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near." (1 Thessalonians 5:11) - “Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing." (Proverbs 27:17) - “As iron sharpens iron, so a friend sharpens a friend.” (Proverbs 17:17) - “A friend loves at all times, and a brother is born for a time of adversity.” (Galatians 6:2) - “Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.”

[@makeitcount179]

The Chicago Statement on Biblical Hermeneutics is a valuable set of guidelines for understanding what the Text ACTUALLY says.

[@mike-ology22]

Okay, that is very clever Ben. That makes sense with me reading the bible vs discussing it with others. I think that is my next step to meet with fellow Christians

[@OBICHIBEN]

This is a very delicate concept, speaking of those that calls out the errors of the fathers, let us not ignore the fact that that is exactly what the prophets are designed for in the Old Testament, even in the new, like John the son of Zechariah, let us understand that Martin Luther did same to Pope Leo the X and it birthed protestantism, let us acknowledge that Paul called Peter out publicly to have the gentiles fully engrafted into the new covenant, should we not respectfully call out the errors of the fathers while we give them the respect of their sacrifices? What will you say to the hedonistic, self aggrandizing totalitarians of the African religious decent who make claims of absolute truth and yet the continent is still dependent? Will you say that Martin Luther brought slavery to Germany? Or Erasmus brought slavery? Will you say that the fathers that worked hard for the independence of Africa from the grip of the extended Roman empire in the form of Europe and America that colonized Africa brought another slavery to Africa. This indeed is a deep concept, for example, the postmodernist has it right in a lot of concepts which Peterson agrees, will your outright condemnation and hatred upon them, since they were before you bring you to slavery of generations? Ham to me was a victim of circumstances and his folly should not be interpreted that way, slavery is a prerequisite to freedom so as ignorance is a prerequisite to wisdom and you acknowledge that as well. This concept needs further unpacking dear Peterson. I love you always and stuck with you apparently.

[@Luke-eo6kp]

Sincere and well said. I believe Jordan Peterson's greatest temptation will be to fall into the same trap of not being careful and delicate enough when moralizing and evoking Gods name to discredit and demoralize his opponents who are both new and old. However, we are currently in spiritual civil warfare, so Jordan may need to weaponize narrative just as his opponents do in order to win the spiritual war. Its necessary and dangerous. Just as Christ and Moses called out injustices by invoking God's word so must we but with great confidence, with solid ground to stand on. It may be that we end up like Noah and the inevitable flood; but at least we will be on the boat and not drowning with the world.

[@StalkedHuman]

You do not understand these topics. Neither Ben nor Jordan as these are devils. Humans understand. The corrupt are clear to see 🙈

[@hugovandyk9918]

I'm really tired of this 'Europeans brought slavery to Africa' narrative, it's misrepresenting Europeans as a whole as slavers, as if there's no difference between a Spaniard and a Scot. As if Abolishinists did argue and fight to end slavery on the basis of Christian values in the nations. I wonder who could even name them without googling it. As if there weren' t laws in England that declared any slave that set foot in England to be free. Europeans didn't 'bring' the practice of slavery to Africa. It was already well established there long before Europeans showed up. Slavery is an old institution in Africa. Europe and the Middle East bought slaves from African slavers who's nations and tribes had been selling slaves since before the Roman era. Up until the British started forcing the costal nations to abandon the practice. Europeans, the British especially did the opposite of bringing slavery. They crippled the slave trade, fought against other ships and brought about the end of it as a legal practice. Yet now we treat the europeans as a whole as if they were the originators of the practice...

[@bojannikolic4474]

I have achieved my goal. I have failed misserably. We are fighting a good fight here.

[@1024mongo]

Talking about the use of position by fairly base individuals to judge individuals of much greater abilities. A very colloquial example is expressed in a Toby Keith (God rest his soul) song called “The Critic”. How often do un-talented, uninspired, pseudo-intellectuals try to elevate themselves by being dismissive of the talent towhich they most likely aspire themselves.

[@LMGphilanthropy]

Ok

[@LMGphilanthropy]

The song is called “Champion” by Aaron Carter 🤫😂📈💒💙🎚️👈

[@derekbentley334]

Bigger than the finding of spark

[@mikemoreno3271]

14:00 this is one of those moments where Peterson while not entirely wrong but missing a greater point here in what i will call the betrayal of ham, Genesis 9:20-27 What exactly did Ham do to deserve his fathers condemnation?

[@BrianimeniaK]

There is a theory that “seeing your fathers nakedness” is actually a euphemism for emasculating your father by having relations with his wife. Leviticus 20:11 states: “And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness.”

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

@@BrianimeniaKand that perhaps Canaan was the result of this

[@Californiansurfer]

❤❤ Downey California. I read my books at Portos bakery , I enjoy the background noise. People ask me why do you read? I find these books more interesting then the latest Barbie movie….

[@michaelmacdonald8656]

Just a different perspective on Noah and his sons. We should reflect on how we relate to the brothers. The word translated (nagad) for told, points to announcement. The root of this word means to be conspicuous. Ham: punished for failing to keep his Father's drunkenness and nakedness a secret. Ham steals his father's reputation and dishonors him. Then again, what child has not embarrassed their parents at some point? And so it is the son (Canaan) who receives the curse, Scripture would incline me to believe it is the idea of iniquity being passed down - Sodom and Gomorrah the most notable example of this line- a behavior that is adopted and cannot be corrected unless they are born again or judged. Japheth and Shem: The alternative is to love and cover a multitude of sins and this is shown by the covering of Noah by Shem and Japheth. It is in their merciful act they receive mercy and are blessed. You could debate whether or not it is similar to God clothing Adam when he was naked. Imagine if Ham said nothing and covered his father's faults.

[@midwesttex]

True Story Time: 15 years ago, one of my investors told me he was looking at a single family house that was getting foreclosed on. The owner told him the reason he was getting foreclosed on was he gave up a tidy sum to his church to keep it from getting foreclosed on for non-payment of property taxes. I replied: You know he's lying, right? What? Church's are exempt from property taxes, and that story is the plot to the Blue Brother's movie.

[@RevellAndRepend]

I believe, you'll know when your thoughts come from above. Logic isn't something that will touch on it. You feel it within, a ringing bell, a soothing warmth, a feeling of deep humility. Even without ever having read the Bible, you can still recognize it. I wish I could explain it better.

[@razielfall]

Protestantism more traditionally (in Europe) was more like: There's you, there's the years of religious public education, there's the bible, and then hopefully there's Jesus, and only then you are free to have your own personal faith in the society.

[@tun6006]

It still blows my mind still that people have not recognized how it's not an accident that Protestantism emerged prominently in society ostensibly parallel to the post-modern infection that has overtaken culture. The protestant proposition that your "personal relationship" with God is what matters is literally the result of the post-modern proposition that meaning is relative. There's a reason that there are so many protestant denominations. There is no objective truth, only personal truth and personal relationships.

[@razielfall]

@@tun6006 Well here in Northern Europe it's basically just one Protestant denomination, the one that is over 400 years old. Older than the United States.

[@SeanWinters]

​@@tun6006You are so, entirely, radically incorrect, I'm amazed you aren't in a Looney bin. If the Roman Catholics are capable of error in their doctrine, than the only reasonable thing is to protest against those errors. Because truth is NOT relative, and the scriptures are the baseline, NOT the structures that are created by man. Truth is not by community, or by survey, which is exactly how the Catholics operate.

[@faded_shooter-yt7664]

Magnificent 🙉🙈🙊🥸

[@Exodus26.13Pi]

Moses recorded Pi 3.14 first near 1400 BC and not Archimedes in 250 BC. Similar to the Dead Sea Scrolls this rediscovery will edify the Body of Christ. Exodus 26:13 makes π 330-15-1=314 .......................................................... Calculation of the Wilderness Tabernacle's curtains in Exodus 26:7-9, 12-13. Here's a breakdown: Total Length of the Curtains: The Tabernacle had 11 curtains, each 30 cubits long. So, all the curtains together were 11 x 30 = 330 cubits long. Folding One Curtain: One of these 11 curtains was to be folded in half. A curtain 30 cubits long folded in half, it becomes 15 cubits long. So, the adjusted length is 330 - 15 = 315 cubits. Extra Length at Both Ends: The same folded curtain is supposed to have half a cubit of material hanging off at both ends of the Tabernacle. Since there are two ends, that adds up to 2 x 0.5 = 1 cubit. Final Calculation: To find the final length, subtract this extra 1 cubit from the adjusted length of 315 cubits. This gives 315 - 1 = 314 cubits. 3.14 = 314 circumstance/100 diameter ≈ π ratio, 100 cubit court per Exodus 27:9-18 .......................................................... Pi 3.14 was rediscovered in 2015 by an engineer from Wisconsin. Geometry people will see this as circle-shaped. However, Josephus the Historian describes the traditional rectangle-shaped Tabernacle. These are two different shapes. Exodus 26:13 makes Pi

[@xXKillaBGXx]

Schizophrenic babble.

[@johnsherfey3675]

Josephus in the second temple period?

[@jc82047]

5:59

[@thuraminkhant9503]

Day 1 of asking for a series where Dr.Peterson review and analyze movies.

[@flyingbluelion]

It matters not if the ancient stories are accurate. It does matter if they are useful. And They Are!

[@dwightk.schruteiii8454]

Ok well im very curious what protestants exactly. Because I grew up protestant, always have been. And though yes we are told that the Word of God is sufficient (in so far as getting a grasp on truth), we were constantly told to be sure to always be “plugged-in” to a church. We were even encouraged to attend “small groups” in the middle of our weeks.

[@junevandermark952]

Thanks for honoring my freedom of speech. Maimonides was a Jewish Rabbi who lived in the Middle-ages and because he told the Jews what they wanted to hear … he was extremely popular. And he was right … that if Jesus gave up on preaching Judaism as his one and only truth … which was his birth-right … to in turn preach ANY Christian doctrine … Jesus WOULD have been a heretic and OF COURSE hated by the Jews. Just as the Catholic popes wanted the Protestants to be put to death for heresy … the Jews wanted Jesus to be put to death for heresy against them. I agree with the words of the now-dead Christopher Hitchens … “Religion poisons everything.” From the book … god is not GREAT … How Religion Poisons Everything … Christopher Hitchens … “Maimonides described the punishment of the detestable Nazarene heretic as one of the greatest achievements of the Jewish elders, insisted that the name Jesus never be mentioned except when accompanied by a curse, and announced that his punishment was to be boiled in excrement for all eternity. What a good Catholic Maimonides would have made!”

[@MrJoel9679]

Off topic - I realised Ben sounds like Chief Wiggam! 😮😂

[@mishaarmageddon1232]

Thank you!!!! First time I've ever heard anyone accurately describe "taking the name of God in vain"

[@justinmininger5973]

I'm surprised they didn't cover the reasons most religions were created and changed to fit the standards and directives of those in power, all around well said.

[@YHWHsaves-dot-com]

Brilliant insights powerfully articulated!

[@janeenchambers3297]

Speak it, Jordan! I hope one day I get to meet you!

[@jamesbarringer2737]

Big problem with Jordan’s attack in the Protestants is there is vastly more group Biblical study among Protestants. We have home groups studying the Bible communally throughout the Protestant churches. That kind of group bible study - the kind Ben pointed toward - is strong among active members of Protestant churches. it is NOT the case that Protestants sit alone in a room never engaging with others on the meaning of the scripture.

[@kdmorgan4479]

Agreed. the holy spirit was sent to guide us in all truth, there is no human mediation/hierarchy necessary for the holy spirit to act ... John 16:7 . There is no freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, of the press, etc without the reformation. It is essentially the culture of the west to freely critique. Interestingly enough, Orthodox Putin banned sharing the gospel anywhere outside of state buildings.

[@debragodfrey4554]

Those were my thoughts also. I believe Jordan needs a better understanding of the Protestant faith before making sweeping judgmental statements. Disappointed as I so admire his wisdom. Jesus makes clear who his followers are and they are not defined by a Christian denomination. They are the sheep who hear his voice and follow Him.

[@bradyhayes7911]

And how do the members of those Bible study groups interpret Scripture? Based on their own individual opinions? The opinion of their pastor? The problem of authority still remains, and still results in the fracturing into thousands of denominations. You should also know that every Catholic parish we've been a part of also has home Bible studies. The difference is that people in those Bible studies don't have the authority to come up with their own interpretations of Scripture.

[@EddieLancelot]

I think he was alluding to the historical realities that led to the creation of many denominations. It seemed more an observation than a criticism to me.

[@EddieLancelot]

@@bradyhayes7911 Catholic here. Yes, it's true about the Bible studies, but Protestants definitely have a more robust Bible study practice than Catholics, from my experience. I don't always appreciate the "We got an answer for everything!" attitude about the Church, but part of the reason I didn't seek a Protestant church is that the spirit in which something was communicated is more fundamental than what is written. Reading and interpreting the Bible to determine how to interpret the Bible? It seems Protestantism puts the cart before the horse, in that sense.

[@AetherialSatori]

I have so many comments for this one. Wish I was a part of the conversation...

[@Jesus-jt7tq]

Oh my god 😮

[@robintropper660]

Didn't know about the proportionality of abuse victims becoming abusers. The underlines the adage: there are lies, damned lies and statistics.

[@gabib.1780]

The point he is making with the story of Noah's son is great

[@7gmeister]

aaaaand this is why you don’t want to listen to a clinical psychologist about the Bible. There are what’s called hermeneutical principals which we are to apply when interpreting the Bible which He ignores at EVERY turn. He interprets the Bible through his pain and doesn’t see the value at all in what it means to be redeemed. The Gospel message produces joy not pain. He talks about the Bible in a very dark way and that’s not what the Word does if it’s interpreted correctly. It produces light! Not darkness. One of the BIGGEST principals is that we interpret it contextually meaning that you interpret it based on who is speaking, who they are speaking to and you read the verse before and after and even the chapter before and after. What JP does which is where every single error I’ve ever seen comes from is to interpret it pretextually which means that you have a bias and his particular bias is his intelligence and his psychological background which colors his perspective which CAN help him after the fact but isn’t and should never be the basis for Biblical interpretation. What he’s suggesting goes AGAINST everything the Bible teaches us in the NT as to how we run our affairs and the problem with the institution we call the church is that in it’s desire to organize and to weed out false teachings and narratives it establishes a dictatorship that’s every bit as deadly as the despotism that these guys claim to be fighting against. That’s what I call serious irony. Do yourself a favor and DON’T listen to Jordan Peterson when it comes to the Bible. It’s good that he has come to the conclusion that we should all get back to Christianity but everything he’s said on the subject goes against what we believe as Christians and he consistently ignores scholarship and any credible sources and the reason for that is that He doesn’t possess the Holy Spirit. That’s what’s called an antichrist spirit and before you get your feathers ruffled all that means is to replace. It doesn’t always mean against and therein lies the rub as to why people will listen to the antichrist. He won’t necessarily oppose the Bible but what he will do is subvert thousands of years of revelation that has brought us to where we are today. The Bible teaches that we are led and taught by the Spirit of God so if you’re not born again(John 3:3) you aren’t God’s child and you aren’t being led. There are plenty of problems with modern interpretation which I’m fighting and dealing with all the time BUT I prefer that to what these men are suggesting. What they would do is unwittingly secularize the Bible and it wouldn’t surprise me if someone like JP was the vehicle that the antichrist uses to subvert the gospel message and deceive many because of what he’s saying actually happens and people latch on to that he will DEFINITELY use it for his own nefarious purposes. PLEASE Dr Peterson get born again and ask God to come into your heart and find some solid teachers and take at least 3-5 years to let God do a work in you before you proceed any further. Push your psychology and your intellect aside and let God transform your heart. Is there psychology and intelligence in reading and learning the Word of God? Yes! But it’s going to be a stumbling block for you

[@apow8535]

Please, please interview John MacArthur- that would be amazing!! 😊

[@TheMusicOfTommyHyde]

Even reading a book ought to be an internal dialogue between you and the spirit of the author. You don’t just buy the words on a page or those uttered on the news. It’s an attitude of truth seeking and not truth-assuming

[@ryanlerouche5122]

People interpretation standards are crazy. 10000 different interpretations in just one book.

[@GentleMenschClub]

I fully agree with the point made about Canada now. It is much easier to apologize for the sins your forefathers have committed, then to improve on your virtues now. Pure Showoff.

[@suppression2142]

That seems to me to be the mainstream protestant perspective but does not at all seem to be the historical protestant perspective. I believe true protestant perspective is hidden behind all of this multiplicity.

[@gamenation9485]

I can speak quiet reasonably and understanding if I focus, but realistically at the end of the day this isn't for me ,or you, it's for the future prospects of society and progress in conscious understanding,in which greater research in psychoanalytic understanding can birth new results in which solidify themselves in factual evidence, it's design, through great minds of qualified accolade it can forsee the scientific explanation behind our emotional chemistry and nourodesign all in valuated explanations and academic resolves , it's the relationship between that which doesn't exist, but serves us a collection, "i was nothing and everything at the same time, but that would never change the reality I don't like myself and Im ashamed to have done this ,it will scold me through a thousand hells but a hell I prepared for ,

[@gamenation9485]

I thought I pretend to be actually gay thinking it would make me better and it confused god , and struck my feelings

[@babydragon2047]

"Just as if there were a roofed house or a roofed hall having windows on the north, the south, or the east. When the sun rises, and a ray has entered by way of the window, where does it land?" "On the western wall, lord." "And if there is no western wall, where does it land?" "On the ground, lord." "And if there is no ground, where does it land?" "On the water, lord." "And if there is no water, where does it land?" "It does not land, lord."

[@LMGphilanthropy]

Education 🎚️

[@alexduran5704]

This is why there is a succession of churches and teaching the apostle. Paul asked Timothy to find other men that are apt to teach me others. And so the teaching has come from the new testament days of the first to century. There are too many christian religions that have been established after that , starting with constantino in the fourth century.

[@murphydupler4282]

"The purpose of speech is to lie" (Terrance McKenna) Every child in school should participate in the game "Telephone, Telephone" where one child reads a message, then VERBALLY whispers in ear to next child. Then repeats ?10-12 whispers THEN the last child is to tell "the secret"l OUTLOUD. Is the outcome the same as the original?

[@actazrath5878]

be my good man

[@gamenation9485]

I humiliated myself tonight, I took the power in which you and my great land insourced upon my righteous belief I was confused, I didn't think I was special or unique and when this acknowledged I couldn't care less what's it do for the greater good of society, well like I said this intrinsic journeys of selfish resemptitude struck the very dead in which makr my holy land so unique such a deleigent, incapacitated amends thy who judge upon my actions , have right to sacrifice your belief in my intellectual understanding of servitude in which your powerful dialect and expansive knowledge in multiple fields in and around psychology and economics and sparked my curiosity to patiently try to understand some topics and valuations of subjects, hard to digest but it's intenched my conscious library of layered over confident and etheral power of inriched vocabulary and advanced speech pattern recognition i feel like robot lol, im going to hell anyway, she was worth it anyday I was self demised with feelings of loneliness in which some brains take in a very romantic fashion especially with feeling of worthlessness, i wish only happiness and health for you and you and your family you helped me take control of my intellect as nihilistic it may radiate

[@jc82047]

2:15

[@caseyweatherwax7765]

I see that sometimes a "professional" can misinterpret an individual because of overthinking of their own learning or listening about situations that have no standard in or upon that & are even irrelevant in that own personal experiences. Let alone however anyone says their own truths, God can say it all simpler. Then there are arguments & multiple heresays over discussions...🧐

[@caseyweatherwax7765]

About 11:30 minutes into this discussion Ben states how some of the best people get "thrown" under the bus. Let alone how in these days they'll get drug by that bus for life & it'll have no standard that is truly related...

[@caseyweatherwax7765]

Then about 19 minutes into this discussion Jordan brings up a situation that the government system is making a monopoly in I think, let alone dragging us behind that bus & into the pillars of our communities that are in the process of their own makings...

[@caseyweatherwax7765]

Then at the end of this discussion about abusers. Those government system "social workers" & etc. are portraying our communities best new pillars of our communities into what any of us are afraid of, let alone who are any of us going to start listening to? Then do they truly know those individuals or are they those sour individuals "merit" badge or pay check?

[@britanikothegreat8513]

Matthew 3:11-15. Joshua 1:18. Revelation 20:4. Hebrew 10:28.

[@derekbentley334]

6 pages with proof and connectivity that just a rough outline of what is going on.

[@Infinityisone]

❤❤❤

[@Infinityisone]

my baby grew well. she selects what she wants already even less than 2 years old. I don't help her to choose, she has to learn her active thinking first. I would not give her the pressure of succession. That is a much happier life.

[@davidkwong3369]

Noah’s Nakedness was Ham sleeping with Noah’s wife! How do you think Canaan was the cursed one?. And this is why we are asking these questions in the video!

[@PatrickLaughner]

I definitely see this. However another explanation is that a large portion of people in the West claim Christianity but don't actually practice, but claim it because their family was.

[@ejenkins4711]

Bang on ben, i went to

[@jennifferjude3156]

It's not enough to have someone you trust read and discuss with you the texts individually. You, are still an individual, that hasn't changed in this equation. A disclosure needs to be had. The religions of the current world need to open the locked doors on the knowledge they horde. I want to know what I'm praying to. That's the only way forward, the lies have to stop. The twisting of the truth, suppressing knowledge ECT ...

[@jessegarcia2228]

Only Jordan Peterson can really make me realize how weak my vocabulary is...lol🤯

[@Killer_Kovacs]

I think that as long as the Catholic Church goes without amelioration for csa they deserve the criticisms

[@user-gf7ox7xz8y]

I make a separation between a theocracy versus an ecclesiocracy. Even a secularized atheist has a theocracy that can devolve into a tyrannical ecclesiocracy that's oppressive and inimical to individual liberty. However, to oppose "theocracy" makes no sense, because society MUST have some kind of theocracy, am agreed-upon system of philosophical/metaphysical beliefs, values and norms. The Bible gives us the best system, it seems to me and may others, and the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Testament documents generally agree on morality and general legal principles. So, to say Judeo-Christian seems to be an appropriate label, if, of course, it's not abused.

[@suggesttwo]

1:40 when this happens it's a lack of context, 2:14 cherry picking things that fit your view instead of what it teaches.

[@TimmyRue-bn3xe]

😂 8:45

[@darkcopius]

Never once did either one of them point to “what’s god point of view of this”, in regards to any Bible passage or story they implied in making there points.

[@Pumpkinshire]

So I’m hearing that Christians need to start using cinema differently using an audio visual medium and the communal experience of being in a theater together. Something with the culture that sprung up around Harry Potter. It was about the community it was about being part of something bigger than yourself potheads are a people. That’s why everybody feel so betrayed by rolling because they do have a personal connection above and beyond the literature itself. How can we in the religious community especially Christians but to a greater extent our Jewish friends like Ben and certainly in ecumenical cross denominational approach. Cinema has been watered down also for an international market. I would rather do a fantasy film about Robert smalls with an explicitly American context of our own history and our culture and mythology and that that stands on its own in the foreign markets. Same as Lord of the rings it’s a good story. It’s an English story for sure but it’s timeless Without trying to placate

[@schieperss6082]

Be still

[@kevinvassago]

That story about Noah was deep

[@n.c.1201]

Will, this title shouldn't be "storytelling matters", Ben is really saying that discussions about story telling matter. The discussion doesn't need to be accurate so long as we are just communal face to face? Ben's job is to relays stories all day long via technology and not face to face and the times he discusses them in person are small-- and even still, those are put on our devices for us to hear.

[@derekbentley334]

Smart and my Smart

[@derekbentley334]

Builds formula for 369. The generation of storylines in mankind and sources drivers man's fear and subconscious projections

[@derekbentley334]

sending it to Government you guys if you want. It shows all the hows

[@jesse6468]

"The people who dispense with tradition become the slaves of the people who respect tradition" is basically an argument for conservatism and it may be true for a succesfull civilisation, but I would think that in a collapsing civilisation the people who stay with tradition would be the least succesfull people.

[@kingsolomon2571]

3:30 - 4:10 ☕️