Why There Will NEVER Be A Tau Space Marine

[@YouTube]

learn something new everyday 🤔

[@FatalFrostbyte29]

what

[@OJK-]

We need to see what army KZbin would pick to play as in 40k.😂 (The final verdict 4 months later is the Inquisitors! What a fitting choice!)

[@deathcompanybattlebrother]

YO

[@bigsadge747]

What

[@epicfrog6383]

Shut up KZbin you’re a shell of your former self

[@Ultra_Sauce]

“I am brother sergeant Herrick Cornix of the raven guard and you will not break my will” “I will do my duty”

[@kekkoinen]

That's a hard ass line

[@crustaceanking3293]

then he forced himself to have a heart attack and did a murder-suicide

[@Holykraut]

​@@crustaceanking3293 not just 1 heart attack, 2.

[@vicegt]

​@@Holykraut And like 12 Tau psykers went with him.

[@ComradeAlpharius]

@@vicegt Tau... Psykers?

[@daedricderp754]

They once captured a LT. Raven guard and tried to brainwash him to joining him. He knew what they were doing and waited till there were substantial tau probing his mind. He then gave himself a heart attack killing him and the tau connected to him

[@O-P-96]

I remember that one. I love how all the interactions between him and the Tau can be summed up as "F*** off" until the last one where he went "F*** you" on the Tau by killing himself. Absolute madlad, so much that after that display, the Tau decided Space Marines were just not worth the time and effort to convert.

[@daedricderp754]

@@O-P-96 they're on the "kill on sight" list. In which drukari, orks, tyranids and daemons are all on that list

[@SpectralKnight]

He gave himself TWO heart attacks because they have two

[@RonOnTheWay]

​@@daedricderp754story wise it doesn't quite make sense. I get that humanity is ultra angry at Xenos due to the long night ... But the imperium knows the Tau didn't do it. They are also one of the good races. If they can partner with Necrons and Eldar... Why are the Tau a step too far?

[@brianmead7556]

Because it’s called Warhammer 40,000 not Peacehammer 40,000. And any sort of human Tau, alliance, will necessitate the Tau being in a superior position, and dominating humanity.

[@89Keith]

It's quite telling that even after falling to chaos, Chaos Space marines still prefer their loyalist brothers to the xenos

[@rustkarl]

Most likely because they see the various xenos species as weak. Barring maybe the Necrons (who, lets be frank, scare the shit out of everyone and for good reason) none of the other xenos species have what the Traitor Legions see as strength. The Eldar? A dying race of meddling has-beens fit only for feeding the gods that are too chicken-shit to match them in a straight fight. A sentiment mostly shared by their Imperial cousins. The Tau? An inconsequential annoyance on the ass end of the galaxy barely able to walk the stars, barely worth their time to raid or sacrifice, also too weak and naive to resist any serious chaos incursion. Let’s face it, barring the Damocles Crusade and even that was getting off lightly, the Tau have avoided most of the worst the galaxy has to throw at them by sheer luck. The bulk of the Tyranid Hive Fleets passed them by, the Nurgle incursion got waylaid by divine intervention, the Black Crusades never went anywhere near them, the resurgent Necrons haven’t awakened any major dynasties in Tau territory and no Ork WAAAGH!! worth a damn has visited them either. The Tyranids are wild bugs that make for good sport or else the Chaos Astartes don’t live long enough against them to learn to respect them. The Imperium while rotted and a shadow of its former glory is still the mightiest bastion in the galaxy which any Chaos Space Marine still capable of cognisant thought needs to respect its might. By and large the traitors share the same views on Xenos as the Imperium does barring perhaps Craftworld Eldar and more recently the Ynnari, which is why they seem to prefer the Imperium.

[@sirderik]

Ifehattsd Ahriman "...what truly unites us all, Xenophobia."

[@aurangazebhaque5408]

The War of the Beast which united Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors

[@TheArklyte]

​@@aurangazebhaque5408 Iron Warriors fall more into "independent traitor" and not "chaos serving heretic", just like Alpha Legion and Night Lords. The only obstacle is the old lore that claims that Perturabo is a demon primarch of Chaos Undivided(which was already taken by Lorgar).

[@aurangazebhaque5408]

@@TheArklyte things may change with Vashtorr's rise

[@cosmicfails2053]

meanwhile, that Eldussy making the primarch act unwise

[@unifiedhorizons2663]

that eldarussy is very convincing lass who read 10 books how to court a human …. So she knows a thing or two about courting men…

[@primary2630]

The eldussy is powerful

[@CantusTropus]

Because Guilliman isn't brainwashed, unlike his kids.

[@umapessoaqualquer3688]

He woke up after 10.000 years to find the corpse of the Imperium. Of course he would turn to Eldussy

[@ThatGuyUpThere]

Resurrection by erection.

[@StressmanFIN]

The fact that becoming a Chaos marine is more preferable to joining Xenos, speaks volumes on just how despised they are. I'm surprised Khorne doesn't get more devotees regularly, compared to his rival gods.

[@Sujad]

Khorne gets a lot of devotees. The problem is that they're worse than the Orks for internecine combat.

[@flintson2268]

The understandable is different from preferable

[@Brogon_the_10st]

Pretty goofy if you ask me

[@Demos_Jeff]

I think Khorne gets alot but I feel like Slaneesh followers probably live longer in general since they focus on torture and excess and not actual fighting meanwhile Khorne demands that you fight on the front lines with melee weapons.

[@cravinghibiscus7901]

You very cutely ignore the reality that the empire of man under the emperor is the biggest khorne cult in the universe.

[@Silkyfin_]

"I recognize that the council has made a descision, but given that it's a stupid ass descision I've elected to ignore it"

[@YaGirlGumption]

My Heretic Astartes Chapter with dwindling resources and nowhere left to go. "Buenos Dias Boivine"

[@OttoKreml]

Given that space Marines have fought alongside the eldar before, I don't see the impossibility personally. The tau would just need to fight alongside them beforehand.

[@WolfBoy-om6dw]

@@OttoKreml Agreed

[@leovillant768]

lmao

[@gibbzy88gaming]

@@OttoKremlI believe that has happened before, pretty sure these guys made a short where a space marine and a Tau soldier were fighting Chaos and the space marine kept preaching about faith being the ultimate weapon against chaos and the Tau not understanding it at all.

[@theinternetpolice2078]

Honestly, it'd be much more fitting for the Tau to turn a pre-existing human that already lives in their empire into a space marine instead of capturing and convincing one

[@lachlanmacrae1779]

They tried that and it technically worked, but the soldiers were very crude due to the Tau not fully understanding how to work with geneseed and the soldiers lacking the decades of extreme combat training the actual Astarties had.

[@lorenzorodriguez9481]

​@@lachlanmacrae1779 Since when did the Tau started making Astartes?

[@davidj3841]

​@@lorenzorodriguez9481Never, the guy is making it up. The Tau did have some space marine training dummies (for lack of a better term) that wore scavanged space marine armor and used proper boltguns but acted more like robots and used tau doctrine. Cato Sicarius and hus group absolutely curbstomped them.

[@culterwaleddy]

Those were clones of space marines. ​@@davidj3841

[@vendetta.02]

​​@@letmecommentstupidyoutube1338 honestly i don't get that fear since any research done to improve the lifespans of the tau would also apply to the ethereals and in turn the ethereals would still live longer than normal tau, just it would boost the natural baseline lifespan of all of them

[@shem6844]

It will never happen but no matter what anyone says those fanmade concepts are badass as hell

[@cad2253]

I agree I the combination of something so different makes awesome looking armor!

[@DefeatedElite]

Not really badass, tau can't even be original lmao gundams and space marine clones 😂😂😂

[@cookiecraze1310]

​@@DefeatedElitethe Astartes are just nights in shining armour but in the future with future tech, the elves are just elves but some of them decided to be degenerates (and also in the future), the orks are just orks but in the future, the inquisition is just the Spanish Inquisition but in the future, the imperial guard is just a mashup of abunch of WW1 through to Vietnam armies but in the future. Chaos is the only mostly original thing but even that's stolen from Warhammer Fantasy. You can't criticise one faction for being unoriginal when all the factions are just futuristic versions of ideas or things we already have seen.

[@emceedoctorb3022]

@@cookiecraze1310Hate to break it to you but the idea of Chaos isn’t original. Yes it comes from Fantasy, just like pretty much the whole of 40K as Rogue Trader was just Warhammer Fantasy Battles in the Future (tm), but the idea of Chaos was ripped directly from the works of Michael Moorcock.

[@cookiecraze1310]

@@emceedoctorb3022 which proves my point even further. 40k is just abunch of ideas we already have just put in the future and given future tech (or the reverse for Tau since gundams are definitely more advanced than the crisis suits). Criticising 1 faction for being a repeat of previous ideas (as the person above did) is stupid since that's what every faction is.

[@kenny187ful]

Tau: "Greater Good?" Space Marine: "Die xenos filth!" Nurgle: *farts* Space Marine: "I'm joining Chaos!!"

[@willc3697]

Knowing Nurgle’s way of belief, farting would probably be a kind gesture in his mind.

[@trevorlaing8635]

Yup, really goes to show the hack writing sometimes. Space marines are almost exactly like angel depictions. The ultimate good, until they do one thing wrong and now they're super monster demons.

[@destinmorrissey6058]

​@@trevorlaing8635"the ultimate good"🤨 Did the point of the writing of the imperium go right over your head? Do you actually think they're good?

[@trevorlaing8635]

@destinmorrissey6058 it was a simile it wasn't entirely accurate, but the general idea of switching sides and morels is correct. There's no point in me defending the rest of the statement because it was only about the perspective of imperium citizens.

[@rowanerickson129]

Real

[@vontheunknown7982]

The Tau once made clones of space marine using Ultramarines armor and their weaponry.

[@daedricderp754]

And they fought tactically and didn't use melee. Cato sicarius of the esteemed Cato sicarius himself caught them and executed them

[@alphanoodle1877]

​@@daedricderp754which is funny because the fact they didnt hipfire and shoulder mounted their bolters was the reason cato thought they werent real space marines

[@fallout0624]

​@@alphanoodle1877"wait these guys are using their weapons properly they HAVE to be clones or something"

[@solounwapodemuchos]

I thought they were like a drone variant

[@Mahbu]

@@fallout0624 I think this is a bit of a misunderstanding. It isn't that Space Marines are doing it wrong by not shouldering, it's that Space Marines don't need to shoulder. Between their superior natural strength and the augmentation their powered armor gives them, recoil is a non-issue for a space marine. That's without factoring in the HUD/interface between powered armor and bolter. There are plenty of instances where Space Marines do brace their weapons against shoulders. . like snipers and guys with certain heavy weapons.

[@mr.s3875]

It's ok. The Tau get Gundams, so it evens out.

[@ggcpres]

And NGL, crisis suits are better than Space Marines anyway. One is a wasteful, sloppy process seeped in the height of Imperial Dumbfuckery. The other is an assembly line.

[@boyvol6428]

Tau is basically classic Sci-Fi empire caught in post apocalyptic universe. And I love it.

[@leman7648]

​@@ggcpresDo you have any Tau that beat a shit from Demon Primarch or one the big champion of demon gods? That what I thought. Even one good tau character are strong because he good on melle because of demon sword and not because of "great tau tech".

[@datboicasino]

@@leman7648 Nah we got Taos thats punch through space marine armor and crash their heads with mech gauntlets

[@FirstnameLastname-hb7ry]

​@@leman7648 Most literate irrational T'au hater:

[@darrianweathington1923]

"I WILL DO MY DUDY" (Forces self to have double heart attack)

[@giacomoromano8842]

Virgin T'au space marine homebrewer vs Chad Gueve'sa Ogryn enjoyer.

[@dantewilliams2757]

I mean ogryns are chad in general but I don’t imagine a tau ogryn using anything other than what the imperium already provides anyway.

[@kathydina3646]

Your suggestion has got to be the second best idea that I have heard for ogryns. The first one being ogryn space marines or ogryn power armor. We need to see this become a reality. (By that I mean kitbashing an ogryn with a fire warrior mini and crisis suit or stealth suit mini)

[@alphanoodle1877]

​@@dantewilliams2757Imperium, well known for their railguns and standard infantry weapons that can melt ceremite

[@conked944]

I agree, that would be cool; and dare I say they might be the most unstoppable force in the galaxy…But not sure would you never catch me breathing the same air as some alien

[@Epsilvonic]

Came here to spread the good word of the Taugryn and see I was already beaten to it. I wish GW would actually do this, seeing as that first major planet to trade with the Tau before Damocles had a large Ogryn population, that they used for manual labor iirc, so in lore it would check out if the Tau suddenly deployed Tau armored Ogryn with implants that put the Bone ‘ead to shame and said they’ve been working on them for decades in the background, because that timetable is super plausible for them

[@krakenburger2601]

I like the idea that Tau space Marines would merely human battle suits designed after the astartes. Giving a normal man simalur capabilities as a primaris astartes mixed with a crisis suit

[@Demos_Jeff]

Okay that’s a solid idea

[@kyosokutai]

Idea is solid on paper, but their reaction times would be so far behind a actual Astartes as to be glacial by comparison, without some very invasive cybernetics. This can be offset somewhat with targeting and shielding drones, but those can be shot down.

[@foxbox8994]

​@@kyosokutai I mean this is 40K the idea of incredibly invasive/inhumane cybernetic implants aren't uncommon in fact they're pretty much expected

[@unifiedhorizons2663]

@@kyosokutaitau hears a DNA virus to destroy a entire hive fleet hive fleet: impossible… Dies Also tau having a dead space marine so anyways I go to work!

[@gamechanger8908]

That's just Starcraft with extra steps.

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

Imagine, though, Tau Ogryn with advanced armor. They'd be treated as the specialists they are, not malformed morons. And while that's not exactly a space marine, that _is_ a powerful, well-equipped warrior that can fight on a comparable level at least in the minis game.

[@Erraddo]

The specialista they are IS malformed morons. Malformed specialized morons. Woth big guns.

[@krosskreut3463]

If new enclaves or if farsight expands into guevesa troops, it would be cool a expansion and improvement to ogryns with tau esq SM armor to be bullgrins like

[@hasturthekinginyellow5003]

I mean, Ogryns have been shown to be able to go 1 v 1 against chaos astartes and winning 8 times out of 10, so what exactly could stop a Tau powered Ogryn?

[@marsar1775]

​@@hasturthekinginyellow5003Another ogryn. bless their hearts, theyll do anything for a gold star and a box of rashuns

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

The tau treat their auxiliaries as malformed morons. They realized the Vespids don’t speak Tau and decided “they’re too dumb to notice obvious mind control” when making their special control helmets.

[@Spazattitude]

I think this is a bit of a stretch. The lore has shown that there have been many space marines who have gone traitor/rogue not because of chaos but because of some personal/moral choice. The Iron Warriors Legion for example turned against the Emperor yet they are known for abhorring chaos.

[@calevoid]

And the Alpha Legion has gone to war alongside dogsoldiers, loxatl and other xenos. Even Dante from the Blood Angels was convinced by the Silent King himself to fight along necrons. Admitedly, these examples were out of necesity rather than a formal alliance, but I see no reason why a renegade Chapter couldn't "join" the Greater Good just to gain passage through Tau space, use Tau resources for their own campaigns that benefit Tau just a little, or to just settle their ships somewhere when they need to hide. Seems like a smart deal to me and not really breaking the lore. With that said tho, I'm not interested in seeing Greater Good marines in canon. I just don't see what's so impossible about it.

[@runehood6682]

​​@calevoid the most likely chapter would be the Lamenters. If anybody joined the Tau and rhe greater good I could see it being them Plus GW doesn't do anything with the Lamenters anyways

[@dualdrain4004]

​@@runehood6682YEAH CAUSE THEIR CHAPTER IS LIKE A DREADNOUGHT AND A FEW MARINES WHAT ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THAT (not up to date on their current standing)

[@a_ghost8926]

@@calevoidI could see it working with a small chapter choosing to side with the enclave

[@19Crusader91]

But that doesnt mean they will fall so low to become servants of some lowly xenos race. They might hate the Emperor, but they also hate xenos.

[@silkyz68]

I liked the gimmick one guy had of Alpha Legion infiltrate the Tau

[@CantusTropus]

Space Marines have been known to go rogue for personal or moral reasons, not just Chaos corruption. However, to convince a Marine to change their mind, you'd need to start by appealing to something they care about and accept as important, such as honour or purity. The Tau would somehow need to construct a convincing argument that changing sides is the best way for the Space Marine to honour his beliefs, and since those beliefs include "Aliens get the bullet", I don't see any way that could ever happen.

[@sev1120]

They might be able to convince the Lamenters, but that's primarily because everyone in Imperial bureaucracy hates the Lamenters

[@tundrarunner4951]

"So, to any Gue'vesa out there, how would you like to sign up for our experimental space marine program?" Gue'vesa are a Tau term for humans who joined the Tau Empire through their own free will. With the right experimentation, the Tau could theoretically create their own brand of Space Marines. I'm with you man. Tau Space Marines would definitely be neat to see.

[@midgetydeath]

Wouldn't succeed. Not even Chaos nor any of the Imperium's alien enemies have ever figured it out. The Tau also have nex to zero Warp technology, which clearly must be involved in Space Marine creation considering their bright souls and that their physical abilities far exceed what simply growing their muscles would do.

[@thebighurt2495]

HIlariously, "Gue've'sa" means "Traitor" in Tau. Yes, the Tau are so condescending, they've named their Human auxillaries after their betrayal of their species.

[@jalpat2272]

The things is, gene seeds are more warp craft than scientific one, it would be hilarious if tau created some Marines from ultramarine stock only for them suddenly turns on tau after seeing or feel Bobby G presence from distance. As it needs very strong will power or chaos corruption to Rebels against their primarches.

[@heckinmemes6430]

"Wow that's a lot of Xeno jibber jabbering." "Too bad i"m not listening to it!" *Da dun dun da dun dun*

[@10hrPortalRadio]

Ok, I hear what you're saying... but that's artwork goes HARD!

[@Obiwan7100]

Imagine a Gue'vesa chapter that was made with the gene-seed of some successor chapter that fell near the Tau empire Space Marines Gue'vasa.

[@Morhgoz]

Expect if Alpha Legion does it for their own nefarious reasons... Space Marine: "Yes, we join your Empire! For the Greater Good!" Tau: "What was your name again?" Space Marine: "I am Alpharius, of coarse!"

[@vegacaj971]

me with my homebrew renegade mercenary imperial fists the blue dudes pay well i guess

[@Ragnarra]

I can’t say I blame him, besides everyone has to eat and you need to earn money somehow to get that. Besides the t’au also have ramen noodles in a cup for military based rations.

[@DinsRune]

Ooooh, renegade merc space marines? That is a white hot rad idea, I love it

[@vegacaj971]

@@DinsRune they are called the silver fists to paint them it's a gaal vorbak red coat with sliver trims faceplates and hands also you can use xenos weapons and bits when modeling especially t'au their chapter master has a power claw, a flamer, a grey knight helmet and a custodian shoulder pad on the left also they never recieved primaris marines

[@vincentcrow6075]

My rogue raven guard merc:"hey, that's my contract!"

[@klaykid117]

Only chapters who are renegade but don't want to be chaos would ally themselves with the Tau makes even more sense if they're a Salamanders founding and like how the Tau treat humans

[@ExiledDragoon]

So... what about Renegades? Not quite chaos, but they pretty much told the Imperium to piss off or were forced into exile for whatever host of reasons. Between Chaos, Orks and the Drakari, the Tau seem like the least uh... problematic of most options available.

[@mullerpotgieter]

Those got utterly dicked over by the Imperium in a way that shattered all loyalties that were forged into them. So why would they then turn around and serve another totalitarian master?

[@darkapostle317]

Wouldn’t make sense. All astartes are psycho conditioned to kill the enemies of mankind. Chaos marines join and most believe that the destiny of humanity is to be replaced with astartes which are trans humans. It’s a closer connection. Aligning with Xenos doesn’t have this connection.

[@ExiledDragoon]

@@darkapostle317 they're also psycho-conditioned to be loyal to the imperium & the emperor but clearly that's not infallible because there are astartes that have gone either rogue or fallen to the temptations of chaos. Clearly it has its limits.

[@ShishouDzukiZaManako]

@@darkapostle317 its GW; so we'll get whatever brings in money regardless of canon.

[@sev1120]

​@@ExiledDragoonthey're also genetically programmed to obey and follow their primarch, though they can learn to resist this. It's why Abaddon doesn't want Horus to come back, because of Horus somehow came back the Black Legion wouldn't be under his undisputed rule any longer

[@keulron2290]

If I recall, the T’au actually did try to create their own Space Marines, which were pretty much perfect replicas in everything but skill and ideals.

[@culterwaleddy]

Effectively prototypes. It wouldn't surprise me if GW decided to bring them back to have the Tau stunt on the imperium. Also knowing the Tau they wouldn't be above using females.

[@blacktemplar1139]

Don't forget they also lacked Geneseed, making them not even Astartes

[@Lord_Numpty]

Via cloning if I'm not mistaken. They couldn't actually make their own, they had to use samples from their enemies to make something that so much as resembled the original.

[@PikeyAz]

All the 40k shorts I come across these from this channel I always look forward to.

[@Zanuth-001]

Also worth remembering, Chaos Space Marines tend to find xenos just as contemptible as their loyalist counterparts, and will usually refer to them in the same ways - and treat them even worse.

[@Purpura_Miles_18_10]

Chaos are fellow Humans after all.

[@astrocosmicalDude]

Ngl, that T"au armor concept art goes so fuking hard, I kinda wanna kitbash an squad like that

[@deleted8001]

Didn’t the tau create clones of space marines, but the emperors finest blueberries found and killed off all the clones? I remember hearing that in a raid on some tau laboratory, the ultramarines found a space marine, but it near instantly attacked them using a captured (or replicated) boltgun. You could tell they were of tau making because they held boltguns like bazookas. I remember they had cloned a whole squadron.

[@swedishwildlife]

The armor looks dope

[@18videowatcher41]

I'm not the least bit sad about the impossibility of the Tau converting Astartes. But I will admit to liking the various art pieces of Tau-style Space Marines shown in the video.

[@flashn00b]

0:14 "Holy throne! I'm coming! Oh, Yvraine! Oh! Oh!" - Roboute Guilliman

[@evernight1405]

Some Tau Ethereals: "Remember we will houses some of your Newmen and in return you make us a few Space Marines." Fabius Bile: "Of course just remember to send some of your civilian populations to me for experim.....I mean for a cultural exchange program." Tau Ethereals: "Sound reasonable" they say while thinking this time things will turn out ok for them.

[@GeorgeCowsert]

The Tau's best shot is likely an alliance with the Imperium in a similar fashion as the early Mechanicus. A simple deal where the Tau design weapons and equipment in exchange for protection from the other threats would be beneficial for both parties. The Tau are able to innovate solely because their presence in the warp is miniscule, meaning they're less likely to have warp-induced mania whenever they want to make new things. That solves the problem with the Mechanicus; their doctrine is built around avoiding warp-induced mania at all costs, even if it kills innovation. The Mechanicus can also stay the primary mass-manufacturing and tech support hub. The Tau only have to design new equipment to be useful. So, it would be possible in that scenario for Space Marines to wear armor designed by the Tau, and even protect their homeworld. They would just view the Tau as useful assets instead of, y'know, people.

[@1997dartagnan]

Tau: engineers a bio plague that only targets Tyranids and eliminates most of the hive fleet, and can cure gene stealer DNA changes Some people: but they can’t make space marines from scratch!

[@nilok7]

Everyone realize something was wrong when Farsight gave a planet to the Earth Caste and they hollowed it out and basically turned it into a Forge World. Without the Ethereals holding them back, the Earth Caste go mad scientist.

[@darkapostle317]

Cause space marines require geneseed and primarch dna, which requires warp juice. Which Tau can’t figure out

[@Tom_Cruise_Missile]

The tau have normal science, but the imperium's premier stuff is the remains of the old spooky shit that works off of fuck physics particles and fairy dust.

[@Rebellions]

They can't bench-press 20Ib dumbbells without drone assistance.

[@nilok7]

@@Rebellions lmao, maybe if you're talking about the Air Caste who live in space 24/7, but if you're talking about the Fire Caste, they're generally stronger than humans, they just don't practice melee combat. Unless they're Farsight, in which case even Khorne wants a piece of that action.

[@Mugthraka]

The illustrations are mostly from the Dornian Heresy fanmade alternate setting In Wich it was Dorn, Not Horus, who fell to Chaos and the Traitor/Loyalists Legions are switched While deemed traitors, the Ultramarines, din't follow Chaos, but became an indenpendant Empire. Freed from the influence an ingerence of the AdMech, the Macragge Empire started diplomatic relationships with the Tau's Empire, wich gave them acces to Tau's Exoarmors technology and integrated it into their Power armors. Making them the Mk XV Exo-Power armors we see here

[@MSpilot008]

Space marines can go renegade though. I don’t see the problem with a small depleted chapter that might have had a run in with the Inquisition deciding the Tau are a better alternative

[@PandemoniumVice]

Yeah, the idea that Space Marine indoctrination is some kind of perfect, flawless thing that is *impossible* to break or change is demonstrably false given that even a single renegade marine exists. I think the problem was the Tau trying to force their conversion through psychic and technological means. Astartes, despite everything, still have free will. (As much as any of us do anyway.) You have to convince them to make the *choice* to join the Tau, and I firmly believe that could be done given the proper approach.

[@darkapostle317]

Chaos is a faction led by fellow astartes, it’s a much easier leap than joining a xeno

[@aaronluisdelacruz4212]

​@@PandemoniumVice add the fact that the Tau goddess finally made its appearance. It would make sense that it will be the one that would try to convince the Renegade chapter to join the Tau.

[@Purpura_Miles_18_10]

Chaos is better option. They are atleast fellow humans.

[@zyanidwarfare5634]

Don’t forget that most space marines, even having been corrupted, still worship the emperor as their god… at least the older chaos marines do, they’ve fought alongside the emperor himself and know that the emperor would have never wanted any of this, that he would be horrified by the current state of humanity and the imperium, so they seek to topple it, to remake it as the emperor would have wanted it, however tainted by chaos they may be

[@DreadNought0255]

Eh... There is room yet for rogue astartes who have abandoned the Imperium and their Chapter but not fall to chaos to fight with and "join" the Tau as mercenaries. And then staying with the Tau because the perks of high tech weapons and armor beyond that of Imperial make might make them stay even more. Marines going AWOL and turning to mercenary work and ultimately becoming something like warlords purely for profit or survival do exist. I mean, their motivations can be something as simple as "The imperial commanders in the campaign I was in weren't angry enough at the Orks. But the Tau were. And things have kind of escalated so going back to the Imperium isn't an option." And of course there's the fact that the Tau don't need Astartes. It is my humble opinion that super-soldiers of any caliber are, in general, a really bad idea.

[@danielferguson5971]

Explain that last part, I have thoughts about that but I want to see your reasons for them being impractical

[@DreadNought0255]

@@danielferguson5971 The basic issue with supersoldiers boils down to them still being people. Either them being special and actually better then everyone else will go to some of their heads and now you have an attack dog with an ego. Or you keep them on such a short leash they might just snap at being treated as equipment. Finally there is the cost. Making and maintaining a usable force of supes might be expensive enough that you might be better off funding a new battalion or a force wide upgrade program.

[@danielferguson5971]

@@DreadNought0255 hmm the astartes do have ego when it comes to regular people telling them what to do, however they have been conditioned to be completely ok with being tools for the emperor's conquest. I do agree though that you could use all the resources maintaining them to do let's say intelligence enhancements and gear upgrades on ogryn seeing as they are stronger than astartes without armor, are way more common, and are low maintenance.

[@DreadNought0255]

@@danielferguson5971 My opinion is more general, not just 40k centric. If you start to really consider the ethics, logistics and any other -ics that might come into play, it just does not play out right in the long term. As for 40k in particular, MOST astartes are loyal to the Emperor and/or some interpretation of his vision or mission, but NOT the Imperium of Man. What this means is that in some cases the rest of humanity is just set dressing for them. Them and some faction of humanity being allies for no other reason that they share an objective.

[@danielferguson5971]

@@DreadNought0255 I see

[@Blandy8521]

I kinda want to try combining a dreadnought with a Tau Commander now

[@tdlainc.4737]

The Tau managed to enter the warp via Raw computing, something that is suppose to be impossible in 40k (As the Necrons would have purged the entire warp if that were the case) There could be Tau Space marines but it depends on GW's dog shit ability to stick with their own canon.

[@vincentcrow6075]

Suprise, there is human tech cogitators for warp jumps. Navigators don't like it though

[@carlzerris6566]

They wont make space marines the way the Imperials do, but they can engineer their own version of a Supersoilder and just have the battlesuits compensate for what the organic component (the tau) lacks. They basically did that to O'Kais in War of Secrets and canon or not, it makes sense why that would be quite effective.

[@Upsilon1984]

T'au don't need space marines they have mech suits and Commander Farsight, and that's good enough.

[@Spike2276]

Except they don't really have Farsight since he left to do his own thing.

[@blaisexrusso]

The armour looks dope 👌

[@thetommyshades5347]

I actually disagree. It's possible. The Ashen Claws are our strongest proof for this. While they are renegades and never submitted to anyone's rule, especially not xenos. They did break away from the imperium without succumbing to chaos. There's even an instance of an Ashen Claw submitting to a human commander. Which suggests it's possible for divergent thinking. I do think it would require extenuating circumstances to happen though. The chapter would have to be very independent, like the space sharks, care about humans as much as the Salamanders or Lamenters. The way I see it playing out is a chapter is decimated fighting some threat, abandoned by the imperium trying to defend the populace of a world, nearly wiped out and in a moment of weakness accepting aid from the Tau. I could see a minority of the few marines that are left joining the Tau after a prolonged conflict of them helping the Marines save human lives. This is just my personal view of course. So while yes most Marines can't be turned but with the right chapter and right circumstances it's at least possible.

[@prismatic9890]

Okay but those tau space marine designs looke sick

[@homelessperson5455]

I hope they get a Primarch.

[@Dohyden2]

Never say never. If it makes a good story the black library will probably run it. And we all know that the most easy to produce stories are often when the impossible becomes possible.

[@david162116162140]

Nah. We're gonna see a united front against the Necrons, Tyranids, or Orks, that includes the Imperium, Eldar, and Tau. Some bullshit is gonna happen, and we'll start seeing Space Marines in Tau designed power armor. Guilliman is more than willing to take that step after Yvrain has been around.

[@NkGaming-1101]

Battlesuits exist. Remember that people

[@KristofferEk]

a Tau Space marine is going to be a volentearing human that has joined them instead of an actual spacemarine.

[@meltingatom]

It would require prolonged contact with a space marine in melee range, and honeslty there are less painful ways to go

[@Eedden42]

Especially for a T'au. They suck in melee.

[@OkonkwoBigYams]

Dude... The chaos argument is mental gymnastics. It's just bc GW went "nuh uh"

[@sinabx4325]

i don't know dude the explanation sounds legit like the warp corrupts their soul not their mind so like tau can't convert them

[@lostcause7489]

"there will never be a tau space marine" But...but the armour looks so f**King cool though.

[@juhel5531]

Tau spacemarines analogue would likely be something akin to newtypes in gundam, same physically but with ultra heigtened reaction times and reflexes. Eventually though, the Tau will start having to make tactical melee units or give most of their units some melee capacity. Tyranids, orks and chaos will force melee and will require some measure of melee capacity from their rank and file plus dedicated melee counterchargers to give them breathing room to enact their ranged warfare. The kroot won't be enough.

[@angusmuir6180]

The guard gets on well enough and plenty of their regiments fight pretty much like the Tau do. I mean they can fix bayonets and get stuck in, but against Orks or 'Nids a guardsman is about as screwed in melee as fire warrior, bayonet or no. Unless you're from Catachan, then you might live a little longer. Course the Guard has crusaders and Ogryn, but the Tau have Kroot. I'd say it evens out.

[@davidcaceres9184]

Imagine seeing a Kirkland brand space marine die within 5 seconds of landing on a planet

[@EmonWBKstudios]

T'au have frigging Gundam mechs and rail gun tanks, space marines can eat it.

[@Mgauge]

The T'au are supposed to be the most sensible faction. Why waste years and lives to make one mutated super soldier when they could make a hundred mech suits and rail guns anyone can use with the same amount of investment? They're not infected with the same obsession that GW has with the Marines.

[@leoprzytuac3660]

Last thing I saw eating something was a blue xenos scum eating chainsword up its ass

[@MikiWarhammer40k]

Heretic detected.

[@titanomachy2217]

I wish the Tau actually fit the setting. As it stands they lack grimdark, and thus seem like if the Federation from Star Trek or Galactic Republic from Star Wars suddenly appeared in the 40K universe. They need to be revealed to have some kind of dark secret, thus showing the Greater Good to be not as ethical or desirable as it is presented as being. They should be bad guys disguised as good guys, not just boring ol' good guys.

[@BLANK-pr5qs]

@@titanomachy2217they are, canonically. Their leaders use mind control, they have re-education camps, a strict caste system, they don’t even have love, they assign breeding partners, though that last one could just be a cultural thing. The Farsight Enclaves, however, are geniune good guys. A T’au splinter faction that realised how fucked up the main empire really is. However, the Enclaves are just 200 planets, in 40K terms, that’s literally nothing. Hence their grimdark element, they’re the only uncomplicated good guys, and they’re totally insignificant.

[@darreltembak3961]

An XV Battlesuit shaped like a Space Marine sounds more lore friendly.

[@Sujad]

I ran a campaign in which a gonzo crazy Malleus Inquisitor found out that the Tau have almost no impact on the Warp and have a minor resistance to Chaos resulting in him trying to use his Inquisitorial mandate to declare the Tau a weapon against Chaos and launched a campaign to capture to the Tau to use as a defence against Chaos in the Cadia system. Long story short, the Tau did not survive the campaign.

[@borderlands10]

A homebrew game of Deathwatch with Space Marines aligned with the Tau using the Rogue Trader rules for Tau gear sounds like an awesome idea.

[@tergartcunninghan2013]

I’m almost certain they could figure out how to make their own versions, and do it damn well. Their process of problem solving, and speeds at getting to an end result, are absolutely baffling. At least, when compared to nearly every other group in 40k.

[@zylertilleman3408]

You will not break me... You will not break me... You will not break me... ... I will do my duty ☠️

[@SenisterDenister]

Reminder that despite even having fallen to Chaos, Chaos Space Marines still hate aliens to such a significant degree they are still willing to team up with loyalist marines to kill them. More than that, IRON WARRIORS teamed up with Black Templars to kill orks after they found out what the orks had been doing to human captives during the War of the Beast. Suffer not the Xenos to live.

[@vralingfrostmere1561]

This leaves out renegades, i could see a renegade chapter that doesn't join the forces of chaos joining with the tau as mercenaries

[@idcgaming518]

Except the Tau did create proto-space marines. Also, reasonable marines exist. It is not unreasonable for some to join the tau.

[@osogitzgraymane72]

That were pale imitations and crumpled like paper.

[@twat9192]

A raven guard killed himself rather than join them, they are on of the most reasonable chapters. No marine would ever join the tau

[@Marth667]

🤓

[@kekkoinen]

The only way I see it happening is if a renegade chapter would work with them for a long time to build trust and then betray the imperium again by joining the tau

[@matijasostojic4288]

​@@twat9192I hear a lot of people saying the opposite. A raven guard might have been one of the worst to capture.

[@RedCrusader-ph2vk]

I'm imagining a story about a chapter of renegade marines who regularly trades supplies with Tau (like the Raptors but not loyalist). Eventually they get too comfortable and too reliant on the Tau for resupply and fall for a Tau trap which leaves many of the marines incapacitated and ready to be harvested and studied. These marines then become the Tau's blueprint for making their own space marines, using human test subjects taken from the Tau-Allied Human Colonies. Basically they copy Big-E's notes and start making their own indoctrinated human super soldiers from scratch. Could also be that the Tau also make their own female marines, idk.

[@thebighurt2495]

I don't honestly see why the Tau would ever make their own Astartes-equivalent. I mean, they're Pragmatism: The Faction. Space Marines are hilariously over the top and borderline excessive in capability. I can see maybe a Tau SPARTAN, but not an Astartes. It's just too much effort in resources, manpower and energy for something they could get out of a mech or drone instead.

[@MrToubrouk]

And this will be the fall of the Tau. They don't have the internal strength, the depth of Faith needed to live and trive in the galaxy. This is why they are building so many toys but, at the end, the Astares will prevail. The Emperor Protects.

[@thebighurt2495]

@@MrToubrouk You know, as much as I dislike the Tau (or, more specifically, their fans) I can see the Tau emerging ultimately victorious, or at least a survivor. The Imperium is decaying, Chaos is inherently self-destructive, the Eldar (both flavors) are an endangered species and the Necrons have nowhere to go but down. The only factions with real upwards potential are the 'Nids, Orks and Tau. The big question is whether or not they can survive long enough.

[@nilok7]

​@@MrToubroukThe T'au are slowly gaining their own warp god. Not a Chaos God, but something that can tip the scales a little bit. Even more interesting, it seems to be able to communicate with Shadowsun barely, though I don't know if Shadowsun is actually special, or if it can communicate with certain T'au due to being of their philosophy.

[@Brogon_the_10st]

@@MrToubroukThe Astartes are a imperfect toy for the dead emperor that will be thrown away once their usefulness is used up just like the thunder warriors

[@borisbaran]

@@Brogon_the_10stOnly when he has a better toy

[@account_idk7534]

20 minutes and 12 seconds of the hit youtuber RubixRaptor? Lucky me!

[@anna-flora999]

Because they don't need them. Next question

[@tydyman2003]

Yeah I love the concept and fan art they look so cool

[@unknownfactor6489]

So they rather betray their deity than stop being racist ?

[@CF-or3ci]

Yes

[@Snow.Frostborne_Ch]

Gotta love how giving yourself to the ruinous powers of chaos is more acceptable to a space marine than joining the Tau

[@DrinkingDuckDexter]

Which is a shame since Tau styled spacce marine armor looks so good!

[@Pete-the-Potatoe]

I still like to think there are space marines that either get amnesia and forget their conditioning and become vulnerable to the tau or just want to join them or… Are so separate and unquie compared to the typical imperium that they are usually rogue and do there own thing (but this time it’s with tau)

[@pharohscollection3730]

Super racism is to to strong. Dear god...

[@KerkorDragonblood]

I understand your point, but given situations like that of the Badab war happen, resulting not from chaos corruption but just being sick of the way the Imperium treats them, it really doesn’t seem like a reach to me that in a situation like that a group of marines like the Red Corsairs could chose to throw their lot in with a group that seems like it would treat them marginally better, like the Tau.

[@Adeptus-Custodes]

Tau: PwEaSw JoIn OuR gWaTeR gOoD!! We CaN DeFeAt Evil AnD bRiNg PeAcE!!! Space marines: I have no time for your filth, alien!

[@cravinghibiscus7901]

love how not wanting to be heinously evil for no rational reason and being the faction that will cooperate with others triggers some in the community to this degree. We will see what happens when someone in the custodes accidentally looks at the emperor and realize they are dead and have been for hundreds of years. With the implosion of the empire of man we will see just how popular the different ideals all are. War slave vs scandinavia with an extra hundred years of tech?

[@atutahi]

They may be chaos marines… but they were still marines

[@bushsbakedbeans2348]

The only reason it doesnt happen is because gw wont ever let it happen because space marines joining a xenos faction would cause a lot of outrage, not because of any lore reason

[@vermin9190]

Tell me more about how you don’t know anything about warhammer. Seriously don’t I dont give a fuck what you have to say

[@Skeletonman21]

There are absolutely lore reasons lmao

[@ГеоргийУдовикин]

I just stumbled on this short randomly and understood nothing but was interesting to listen and watch

[@notusneo]

Space aids are preferable options to xenos

[@thebighurt2495]

Chaos appeals to Astartes' flaws, not their strengths. The Tau try to appeal to people's strengths. That doesn't work on an Asartes. You can get one hooked on drugs, sick, loose their temper or read things they *really shouldn't* but if you try to convince them to "do the right thing," they'll say they "Already are."

[@tyclapp7310]

Plus not to mention the chaos space Marines dont hate the xenos any less then the Loyalists, they hold just as tightly to their convictions and beliefs just screwed in the exact opposite direction

[@NobleHusky]

I've been having an idea floating in my head that Vulkan, and a small chapter on space marines, are somewhere among Commander Farsight's Tau. The freedom to improve and modify his space marines to better protect humans that come to his pocket of the galaxy, while also doing basic mechanics for Farsight's machines.

[@philosotree5876]

They could never make their own because the process is too cruel for them.

[@wizardofaus7013]

To add onto this for chaos: Chaos also tend to target existing aspects of an Astartes goal or drive. Khorne focuses on corrupting Astartes through their main function: violence and anger. Slaanesh aims predominantly on sensation and perfection, and many loyalist chapters commit self-flagellation, which could be seen as an in-road for Slaanesh. Tzeentch appeals to very human aspect of desire for knowledge; wanting to know more and discovering the unknown. Nurgle meanwhile just tends to trap people and bombard them with plagues, viruses and diseases until their will is so broken that they will accept any offer of release so as to make the pain stop. Xenos just don’t really have anything to offer

[@frixoo_]

"all but immune" meanwhile space marines falling to chaos:

[@vseeley]

A Tau space marine would look AMAZING 🤩

[@mortarion9813]

I actually really like Kai Lim's concept of this: the Mark XXI 'Phobos Tactica', which is used in that one art piece of his where a space marine with a framework of an arm is shooting Tyranids alongside Tau clad in white. It's not an _actual_ space marine - it's just power armour designed to _look like one_ that the Tau captured and experimented with.

[@marsha11str64]

There is one way. For he is us, and we are he. Hydra Dominatus.

[@Canadian_Zac]

But remember. Not all marines fall to Chaos. Huroun Blackheart, didn't initially rebel to join Chaos. He rebelled against the Imperium refusing to assist him, and insisting he pay the tithe instead. So he rejected them and attacked the Imperium. Chaos happened after the initial rebellion So there is presidence for marines rebelling without Chaos

[@Ryoga100]

They have made drone suits out of captured and reverse engineered space marine armor in the books. And it almost worked well enough to trick space marines. The only reason it didn't work was because it was TOO well disciplined in tau fighting stances.

[@LordCastigator]

My custom Space Marine Chapter are somewhat tolerant of the Tau, on the grounds that Chaos are a major issue locally and the Tau research expedition went off in the direction my Chapter told them to, making them the far lesser local evil...

[@Brodes235]

“I am brother sergeant Herrick Cornix of the raven guard and I will do my duty” proceeds to give himself a heart attack and take all the tau probing his mind with him that’s why I love the space marines just unwavering loyalty to humanity and what they care about.

[@MISTAWULFY]

“The Greater Good?” You mean the GLORIOUS IMPERIUM OF MAN?

[@silversolitaire1519]

I actually did come up with a sort of 40k endtimes storyline. (Long story short. No the galaxy doesn’t explode.) Farsighted ends up joining Guilliman in an alliance where they’re like “If you don’t shoot at us, we won’t shoot at you.” Same with the Eldar and Dhrukari. With the Earth Caste, some of the loyalist Mechanicus (most left Guilliman because of all the Xenotech heresy he was doing) begin working with the tau earth caste to make better weapons and armor resulting in more efficient manufactorums, better war gear and just a generally better way of life.

[@BAN3FromNoWhere]

"As persuasive as a cow mooing." Well, im convinced.

[@TerminatorHIX]

When I think Tau Space Marines, I think of the Earth Caste reverse engineering gene-seed and making a version of it that works with Tau physiology rather than human. Imagine a Fire Warrior that stands as tall as a Crisis suit and packs a supercharged pulse rifle.

[@basbarbeque6718]

I know it's unlikely to ever happen in canon, but those armor concepts look dope as hell.