Why This F1 Car Has FOUR PEDALS

[@abnfalcon3901]

You know that you've made it in F1 as an engineer, when your innovation gets banned for being too good

[@ozamatazbuckshank7467]

Basically colin chapman and adrian newey problems lol

[@abnfalcon3901]

@@ozamatazbuckshank7467 And Gordon Murray

[@EldubeG25]

DAS a good point👀

[@A..T..M..]

You know, taking that into account, and if we remove the steering system from the front wheels, and what activates the steering wheel are the brakes on both the left and right sides of the car, as if it were some kind of track system

[@pinkikoley397]

the rival teams get innovations banned cause they are jealous.

[@bearpapa1606]

not cheating, this kind of engineering is the reason why i watch F1.

[@tjampman]

You watch Formula 1 to see how the ban tech?

[@GertvandenBerg]

And the cost cap might make this type of thing a lot less common...

[@grayaj23]

"Rulesmithing" is a term used in tabletop gaming (and probably lots of other places), and I think it fits F1 to a tee. Give engineers and physics nerds a set of rules and let them figure out ways to follow those rules creatively. All the teams do it when they think they can get away with it, and all of them whine like schoolchildren when their rival team does it too.

[@deadprivacy]

So clever and simple. They banned it.

[@nando03012009]

@@tjampman haha exactly.. the only thing not banned in F1 is actual cheating!

[@mrragge7986]

The skill you need to drive this is out of this world. Mika Häkkinen is truly amazing and underrated.

[@Slide100]

That’s the first thing I thought of. Like trying to balance on a medicine ball on one leg while juggling. 🙂

[@elmurcis1]

Well, we are talking about fastest driver in the world (by his own words)! No wonder he made it work easily.

[@kimiraikkonen949]

and coulthard. coulthard underrated

[@dimitarvenedikov]

@@Slide100 As a kid Mika took some training as an acrobat at a circus school, so maybe it helped a bit.

[@Eat-MyGoal]

How is he underrated? He's one of the most lauded drivers in modern F1 history, and the only driver Schumacher admitted he was scared of. He's highly-rated and rightly so...

[@oj7177]

Weird choice by the fia to say it was illegal, since it wasn't really a 4 wheel steering system. They should have changed the rules during the off season to explicitly say it was illegal, not deeming it legal for then banning it in a span of 2 races Ferrari international assistance was how people called the fia back in the day, and i like how it sounds 😂

[@AJZulu]

Bribes were handed out. Or so I was told...

[@dimitarvenedikov]

@@AJZulu Don't forget the animosity between Ron Dennis and Max Mosley.

[@Yousuck00]

And they allowed Merc to run with Dual-Axis steering for a whole season until they banned it.

[@oj7177]

@@Yousuck00 apparently it was a grey zone technology, so they did the right thing by banning it for the next season. But if it was illegal, then they shouldn't have let them run with it What i don't like is how the fia banned the mass damper during mid 2006 (in the middle of the title fight), after letting renault, and other teams too, using it for 2005 and half 06 You either ban things immediately, or say they're legal for 1 season only, if you don't like the solution they came up with, but it still is within the rules

[@oj7177]

@@AJZulu i wouldn't be surprised Ferrari already was the most important team back then, and they had a rather young star in schumacher driving for them. Ecclestone said that him and the fia helped ferrari winning multiple times, and that everyone was interested in having a competitive Ferrari since it was good for the sport And said that merc 2014-16 dominance was also due to the fact that brawn switched from ferrari to merc and carried very important infos about the new engines regs with him, that others didn't know

[@President_Grover_Cleveland]

Not cheating, in-genius engineering. It’s stuff like that that gets me as hyped as I do for F1 . Such a shame FIA keeps banning all of these awesome inventions that all the teams could’ve eventually used themselves possibly.

[@tavyturean5725]

If all great innovations were allowed, then, at some point, there would be nothing more to come up with. You would basically have a perfect racing car with a lot of gizmos on it. This way, engineers have to come up with new things all the time. And that's what make Formula 1 amazing.

[@vdross_79]

@@tavyturean5725 I disagree, innovation never stops. If they stopped banning every big ingenious change that engineers came up with, we could have even better cars and spectacle than now and someone would always come up with the next better idea. After all it is a constructors competition, ingenuity must be rewarded

[@hughlevantjames905]

@@vdross_79 F1 tends to keep tech that makes cars on a basis that is road-relevant. DAS and this brake system in particular don’t really have benefits on the road.

[@richardshippful]

@@hughlevantjames905 My 2008 Honda Accord has rear trail braking E.G. it brake the inside rear wheel on a sharp turn. you have to replace the rear pads every other front pad change.

[@boopitywoop7981]

The ban was probably more of a safety oriented one rather than the cheating allegation.

[@MattGP01]

There was an interview with Steve Nichols where he said that ironically, weeks after Ferrari got it banned, they presented the exact same system to the FIA McLaren had devised. Brawn and Co. Left red-faced... As they discovered they banned the very system they were developing and were now arguing its legality.

[@puzzledandconfused]

Pretty much a matter of "It's not good if it's not mine"... Childish tantrum.

[@sepg5084]

@@puzzledandconfused on par with Ferrari

[@meekrab9027]

This is probably the real reason it was banned... if it's legal, eventually everyone is going to have to develop it, and anyone not running it might as well be racing F1.5.

[@mikey_bb]

Pretty much the whole of F1 is rich people having childish tantrums 🤣

[@shinyribs2178]

Tractors and earth moving equipment have been steering with split brake pedals since forever. Pretty cool to see it used like this.

[@halfrhovsquared]

So have aircraft. It's called differential braking.

[@MrBIooder]

My favourite bit about this story is Nichols laughing at all the other teams overestimating the cost of the system. They said it was a hundreds of thousands of dollars, while it was actually 50 dollars worth of parts they already had lying around.

[@MrSeanman30]

How? Aren't the titanium/other material bolts and parts like $80 for a single lug? Assuming they needed to use a few bolts to put the pedals in. I remember hearing Pagani uses titanium screws/lug nuts at $80 a piece and it has over 1000 throughout the car. Im assuming machined screws for F1 cars would be even more expensive than Paganis.

[@MrBIooder]

@@MrSeanman30 They probably used regular screws. No need for precision machined screws when all you have to do is put an extra pedal and brake line in the car.

[@PanduAsli]

​@@MrBIooderexactly, wheel nuts are different story because they need to optimise it for pit time. Engine pistons and parts, also optimisations.

[@ryanwagner637]

Fun fact pretty much all tractors used in agriculture have separate left and right brakes because when large force is applied to the rear of the tractor during heavy operations the front tires get very little grip and so you can steer with brakes

[@bragee]

I was furious at the time when they banned the car for basically two reasons: 1) it's one of those clever/borderline solutions that made F1 interesting and fascinating. 2) a friend of mine "invented" it on his ethanol RC car in 1992 (by connecting some rods from the steering servo to some sort of custom drum brakes which were able to destroy his RCcar plastic rims in seconds... LOL). I remeber he wanted to build himself some aluminium rims but eventually gave up for lack of tools... But, after seeing the pedal picture in the newspapers in 1996/1997, I remember I called him to admit he was right.

[@ronaldojoe3011]

Sounds to me like the other teams were just salty that they couldn't figure it out.

[@tomoliver5861]

Welcome to the world of f1 regs changes

[@Kaimax61]

Welcome to every team that's not a front runner. Like even this season, remember when merc cried about flexy floors, had it banned mid season, and somehow RB was still faster after that TD?

[@gt2rs260]

This was such a good story, really shows how political this sport is.

[@Rmagid]

Its in ams2 and has the fully functioning 2nd brake pedal if you want to try it

[@mikblues_146]

How?

[@jgagnier]

@@mikblues_146 Automobilista 2 has a keybind for extra brake pedal. If you have a pedal set, bind it to, say, your clutch pedal.

[@mikblues_146]

@@jgagnier Damn, will have to try it out, although I'll have to change it again if I want to drive manual, thanks anyway!

[@jgagnier]

@@mikblues_146 Or, get a 4th pedal :D

[@mikblues_146]

@@jgagnier How tf am I gonna get a 4th pedal? xDDDD

[@joaquins90]

Thanks McLaren for the torque vectoring that guides our cars into the corners!

[@snack711]

totally legal, other teams just realised how much this put them behind

[@rorybninetythree]

Ferrari: The only cheating that is allowed is the cheating that we are smart enough to do ourselves.

[@AlonsoRules]

like the engine thing that we still don't know what the penalty was

[@Tayoisdead]

@@AlonsoRules they had to run their engines on lower power modes for the next 2 years after penalty application.

[@bernardmcmahon2383]

For those who can remember,98 startwed with massive changes to the cars(similar to this year in impact). In Australia the Mclarens were so far in frontof the feild it was scary,Schumi retired early and threw his steering wheel out of the car. The FIA(killers of inovation) folded to Ferrari(yet again)and to be fair,that season was one of the greatest battles of all time,Mika and Schumi were incredable,so in hindsight it was a good thing. If any of you out there cannont remeber it as you are young or new to F1,pleasse watch this amazing season,like Martin said at Monza,you could not wright a script like this!

[@kwasg3]

Yup!! Heydey of innovation killer period and headed towards the psuedo spec racer car we have today.

[@stefang1087]

No cheating, just briliant engineering.

[@timh6845]

It’s a shame they didn’t link the extra pedal to the steering rack. Turn left and it enables left caliper, turn right for right caliper.

[@vincev5242]

@@timh6845 then you'd end up with pointless braking on high speed corners

[@crinkly.love-stick]

@@timh6845 farm tractors have that technology.

[@artbk]

​@@vincev5242 only with pressing the second brake pedal

[@robdavies82]

Learning to drive a racing car with a different pedal layout in the days before simulators…🏆

[@Hamachingo]

I love how braking just one rear wheel is pretty much standard on Mazda road cars now with "G-Vectoring Control ". Brakes the inner rear wheel on corner entry and the outer one on exit.

[@duanezablocki8249]

American dirt sprint cars have a similar setup but it's not an optional additional peddle. They have a solid rear axle with one rotor on it with the caliper mounted to the rear housing. They also have a single left front rotor with no brake at all on the right front. The left front rotor is used to help pull the car to the left being they run only ovals. Some teams will run a third brake, mounted to the right rear bearing hanger but many teams do not.

[@hitop2365]

Trials cars and many old agricultural tractors have fiddle brakes, essentially 2 handbrakes one for each rear brake. By slowing or stopping the inside rear wheel and powering the outer wheel a very tight turn can be made. Caterpillar tractors work on a similar system.

[@mtnbkr79]

Dirt Late models have a switch to completely turn off the right front via solenoid in line with the brake. Really makes the car turn left. This is in addition to front-rear brake bias adjustment.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

If it's a solid rear axle it doesn't matter where you put the caliper it's not going to make it torque vector around the corner.

[@duanezablocki8249]

@@Robert-cu9bm the fact some cars put an additional brake on the right rear bearing hanger, when the brakes are applied, the torque applied to that hanger, rotates the hanger and actually prevents the car from wanting to roll onto the right rear tire, which is bad when the track is wet and heavy (actually sticky) or trying to set the right rear tire against the cushion. Keep in mind this is not an independent suspension design. As the car squats, the whole rear end rolls forward in the car, increasing drive off the corners

[@koston_varjo3536]

One day I'd love to see a deregulation of things like these in F1: just trow brake steer, f-duct, steer adjustment (push the steering wheel) and so on. The important part is that all those systems need to be operated manually. That way the drivers become the limiting factor. You could maybe regulate it so that teams can choose a few of them, giving more diversity in the lineup? It's not like I know enough about F1 to say if this was possible though....

[@gave2haze]

The problem with having F1 drivers as the limiting factor is that they don't respect their limits and end up crashing

[@koston_varjo3536]

@@gave2haze Personally I think you're mistaken. If you want to win a championship or keep a seat in a team, you better learn how to get results. If drivers can't do it, they will be swapped out, someone out there will be able to do it - it's not a small grass roots event.

[@Hamachingo]

Meh, do it all driver-less and only regulate the amount of fuel permitted and the overall dimensions. Like a mix of battle-bots and Mario cart.

[@456MrPeople]

F duct is legitimately dangerous since it requires one limb to loosely grip or completely be off the steering wheel or pedals. The others should definitely come back.

[@koston_varjo3536]

@@456MrPeople If only there were knee controlled F Ducts in the past...

[@glaucomedia]

I don't think it's illegal. A Brazilian engineer put something similar in a car based on the beatle volkswagem to improve its off-road capability. You could use the rear brakes independently of each other. If a wheel runs out of traction, you apply the handbrake only to that wheel and get grip to get the car out of the mud. This in 1960, 70. Gurgel is the brand.

[@crash8803]

That is genuinely brilliant! Simple, direct, and effective, not like modern so-called clever AI assisted Limited Slip differential used in hightech LUV(L-Suv). Ease of operation is the Key point in pushing this branch of tech tree.

[@Kiirxas]

Stuff like this is why I stopped watching F1. The moment anyone makes some sort of breakthrough or advancement in any field it's banned. If F1 is meant to be the pinnacle of motorsports, why do they try so hard to remove innovation?

[@human890209yang]

It is a steering system of the rear wheel, the tank example is reasonable. Because F1 is driven by rear wheels with differential. If you brake the inside rear tire, it not only pulls to rotate the car, more engine power will be put on the outside rear wheel by the differential which push the car to rotate. How a tank steers? it pull one side and push the other side. The question is if the 4 wheel system is better than the 2 wheel ones why ban it?

[@Schizz_Popinov]

Farm tractors you can brake either rear wheel separately or simultaneously. This seems like very similar thinking.

[@crinkly.love-stick]

Many of them also speed up the front axle at a certain steering angle, which drags the machine around tight corners. Bi-speed steering.

[@yeahrightmate]

I ran a 125 Super kart 20 years ago with 4 peddles mainly for the starts but it was good to be able to trail brake as well, and I use to race a gymkhana car that I had setup the clutch peddle to operate the hand brake when fully depressed so I always had 2 hands free for steering and changing gears, so as I pushed the clutch in at a hairpin it would disengage the clutch so I could shift back gears and keep the revs and handbrake turn all at the same time and then just dump the clutch as I came out of the turn and off it would go for the next turn. It was so fast and some people tried to get me disqualified but there was no rules saying you had to use a hand operated hand brake to turn so it never got them anywhere.

[@andrewboschmann9880]

Many agricultural machinery has two independent brake padels close together (one system for each side, that can be either pushed simultaneously or locked together if needed) and use brake steer to help with tight turns or generally steering heavy equipment. It becomes natural quite fast to use the pedals to aid steering.

[@eli_7295]

And you can steer with the brakes if the front is lifted into the air because of too much weight on the back, so you basically balance the tractor on two wheels.

[@shifty1927]

In offroad racing they are called "cut brakes" you get a lever for each individual rear brake.

[@savageduck4487]

Funny thing, this tech has been in tractors for years. I remember an old Chamberlain having one my old man's friend had

[@monetary_episode494]

How many years, because these cars are from the 97' season

[@offmerla]

@@monetary_episode494 in 79 tractors already had it but they could have had it before that

[@crinkly.love-stick]

@@monetary_episode494 I've driven tractors from the 50s that had independent brakes, and it wasn't a new concept when they were new.

[@gdogg3710]

There’s a very long Steve Nichol interview on the YT channel Jay Emms on Cars, where he’s mainly talking about the MP4/4, but also about the fiddle brake on this. A few grand of already manufactured spare parts was worth half a second a lap, making this £ for £ probably the best F1 invention ever. Was Ferrari (of course) who got it banned, without ever really understanding what it was they were getting banned…then a few weeks later they submitted a clarification/proposal to Charlie Whiting for their own version of this, which was identical to the McLaren system they had just gotten banned. Charlie went mad at them apparently and I can’t say I blame him…

[@1000petabytes]

Brilliant video here. Appreciate it. 1 question here though... Were FIA Stewards not checking the car post race everytime ? As I know, FIA checks weight, underbody plank etc after each race. Why it was only uncovered when photographer took photo of retired car.

[@TheSnaveeelPlaysGames]

It was uncovered to the public and other teams. As far as I know, the FIA will have deemed it legal privately with no obligation to make Mclaren’s design public

[@meekrab9027]

@@TheSnaveeelPlaysGames Yep, it passed all the rules about "the driver must pilot the car alone, unaided" and whatnot at the time since it was just a simple mechanical connection. There were no rules about having a brake pedal only connected to one wheel XD

[@markl4670]

The FIA had already visited Albert drive ( Mclaren factory) and agreed it was legal before the car was raced.

[@itt2055]

Tractors and other large farm machinery have had split brakes for over 50 years, one break pedal for each of the 2 drive wheels that were close enough so you could use them both at the same time. When using a rear wheel steering vehicle you can turn on one wheel.

[@fastestoneliner]

In motorcycle racing there's drag braking. Holding a bit of rear brake that helps keep the trailing arm suspension squat. I believe it helps enable an earlier delivery of power on exit. Which would squat the back if trail braking wasn't used. Less bobbing of the rear = smoother and more effective power delivery. On an F1 car there's an extra x axis for brake steering. I wonder if this feature also helps with keeping the rear squat? It's a double effect maybe.

[@bertram-raven]

If they called it Asymmetric Braking and said it was installed on safety grounds, it would still be around.

[@SHRModding]

You can drive this car in Automobilista 2 and you can assign the second brake pedal to your clutch if you have a wheel and pedals

[@Chris.Davies]

Why not just split the pedal, and pressure one side more than the other, manually creating a step in the pedals? Or why not have a switch on the wheel, which changed brake bias left or right? You could even set it manitino-style with a range for each side.

[@ryanlukens9280]

This was an interesting bit of design and engineering, but not cheating under the rules of the time. While it was truly amazing to see it used in F1, it was being used off road quite a bit before F1. My Dad and many of his friends build “sand rails” or “dune buggies” with steel tube hand-made frames powered by air cooled VW power trains. Most of these buggies had steering brakes, separate activators for the rear brakes. Our buggies used hand levers instead of an extra pedal or so, but they accomplished the same thing. They allowed the buggy to make tighter turns (sometimes we used them to steer when we could manage to get the front end in the air).

[@edwardwong654]

I don't think it was cheating ,irrespective of what McLaren named the system. If FIA wanted to ban the system, they should have waited for the following year to do so. I have NO respect for the FIA - especially after the 2021 AD Abu Dhabi.

[@esdeekay4344]

Back then, McLaren had beautiful cars too.

[@jamesfiegel9675]

They need a New Race director!!!

[@peterwilles7227]

@@jamesfiegel9675 and a new teamboss

[@brettdart]

I just love how innovative yet simple and effective it was. Engineering at its finest.

[@trattoretrattore8228]

Imagine a brake pedal with 4 points that you can apply more or less pressure on to affect the brake force going into each wheel.

[@peterhall6656]

I was not aware of this. Massive respect for DC having to deal with 4 pedals!!

[@mbgmadbull1141]

technically it works more like a skid steer system, so it still is legal as there is no wording about skid steer, can't wait to see the new williams skid steer system working for 2024 lol

[@jkliao6486]

9:14 and we thought RB using Albon's filming lap as evidence was a far-fetch XD

[@Hot-Dog-Racing]

I wish F1 teams were more open about their past innovations. Technology in F1, even back 20-30 years ago, is so mind blowing to us non-F1 insiders.

[@san-joshuabarrett]

I was so fed up they seemingly banned that recent Mercedes front wing. Really wanted to see what it could do. This is what F1 is about, those cheeky innovations. Atleast let them run it for the rest o the season and not ban them immediately, and not mask them as cheating.

[@Kaimax61]

No they can't, because that wing creates more dirty air. which was against the point of the current Car designs.

[@adambrush5445]

Another reason brake steer should be brought back is to provide a greater challenge to the drivers. It's not a driver aid as it gives them more to do. It will make the sport slightly more about the driver than the car.

[@fjcarmo0369]

It's not cheating, it's just clever engineering.

[@PillsTeam]

I’d love to see a formula where all the banned stuff is a must have thing

[@AugmentedGravity]

This is basically the exact system which some tanks and tracked vehicles use.

[@rdaw33]

Call "skid steer"

[@user-hm5nn9pk8n]

Sending pictures of tanks is not that strange because you steer a tracked vehicle by braking one track

[@D3Vlicious]

Ferrari's tank argument comes down to the fact that tracked vehicles are primarily steered by changing the relative speed of each track through brakes and the gearbox.

[@Appletank8]

Yeah, this is essentially a basic version of a differential brake steer used in M4s and the like. Maybe someone should try double differential steering.

[@AndyFromBeaverton]

1:20 Ben Franklin came up with his best ideas sitting on the toilet.

[@tedpowertrain]

This is actually brake migration in nowadays. The extra pedal is electronically replaced by brake by wire system.

[@pranavps851]

But you can't choose which of the rear wheels can be slowed more than the other

[@tedpowertrain]

@@pranavps851 The brake migration would automatically adjust according your diff speed.

[@peterruiz6117]

I have a 'Hot Wheel' of this car...I am a 'H W' lunatic, with boxes and bags of oened and un opened cars....Specifically, American only street and race cars, but some forign monsters...But this car appeared ,as if I went shopping in my sleep. Very possible. Great tech and detail, history....Great videos.

[@AlonsoRules]

F1 has seen some of the best innovations in history. My favourite is the Brabham Fan Car and the DAS. Total genius.

[@nasuh_won]

I would love to see the true potential of competitive men doing what it takes to win and not complain of others breaking rules, while they themselves are bending the rules. Imagine how more advanced we could actually be.

[@jakobipsen8811]

I think that's called war

[@mattwatson591]

@@jakobipsen8811 it was called group B rally

[@arielxaber6637]

How was this considered cheating? Its just clever engineering according to the rules.

[@schkann1384]

8:33 that mclaren with full slicks look weird but also beatiful

[@kirstenspencer3630]

In dirt track racing disabling a corner of the cars brakes is just part of the cars set up. Front rear bias is usually allowed but not individual corners. My old autocross car could bias side to side braking ( prerset ) and other teams took note " how can your car just jump into the corner ? ). My advice is to study ALL FORMS OF WHEELED RACING and be open to try what works for others...if you're not " cheating " your not competitive.

[@jamielombardo5292]

All they had to do was get a cutter brake from a sand rail. It is on tractors and sandrails. It is alongside regular brakes and hand operation or foot operation. In Michigan that is what sandrails use to avoid trees on tight trails at high speed.

[@halfrhovsquared]

As soon as the video started, I knew where this was going. In aircraft, it's called differential braking. This is quite a clever application, though. The implementation in aircraft is somewhat different, with the brakes being applied by both feet, one for each side. I applaud their thinking.

[@unnamedracer9757]

We need a racing series with no build rules excluding safety, NASCAR on-track rules (mainly rubbing is racing), and tracks that have a mix between F1 and Rally (like Spa with half the track made of dirt, along with the variety of SST tracks where entire sections change every year, and the starting grid of SST where the fastest in qualifying start in the back, potentially even with an up to 5 second start delay

[@danphilip10]

This is why I can't stand social media, there's a difference between cheating and reading, understanding the regs, and TRYING. Yeah, the end result is often everyone else tries to copy it (which is apparently not cheating), but when they fail, they complain!

[@TedSchoenling]

I don't see it as much different than all the diff settings today to be honest

[@dpause10]

If you haven't done it already, I'd be curious to see a video on the short-lived four wheel steering system used by Benetton on the B193, the races in Japan and Australia I believe.

[@petermaltha]

This is real F1 the pinnacle of innovation. Today it is one for all and nothing move again. Really shifty

[@_hitomaru]

this is why i love f1

[@steelers4974]

It remembers me to the tractor braking system that uses two brake pedals, One for left and the other for right

[@j.thomas7128]

[@jeryjohn]

My 2017 type r has brake steer as part of its vehicle stability assist and its crazy how hard the car turns in low speed corners thanks McLaren

[@314tobyas2]

Am I the only one beeing confused by him talking about McLaren while showing pictures of mercedes?

[@PoschSpice30]

Yes, I thought I was the only one.

[@mohammadhosainusofimotlagh6168]

Genious. But don't they have the exact same thing nowadays with all of the diff settings? They have diff entry, diff mid and diff exit as well all the torque settings to make sure they can rotate the car on entry and look after the rear tyres on the exit.

[@garyhalsey7693]

Definitely NOT cheating, just a damn ingenious innovation!! New subscriber!! Keep the content coming, loving it!!!

[@danielsgrunge]

That's why F1 is so fascinating

[@trance9158]

Clever but also making it a bit more difficult for the driver.

[@cyan_oxy6734]

And now drivers are changing settings while driving.

[@ShainAndrews]

Somebody needs to set up an organization where all the cars are the same, and all the tracks are the same.

[@prematuredgravy8033]

This type of innovation not being thwarted is what would truly make F1 Cars the fastest cars we can possibly build

[@formulahank1250]

A classic Ferrari International Assistance moment

[@Seekerofknowledges]

I hope you will make a series of videos about F1 banned technologies and innovations. Thank you in advance

[@0121bdallan]

It's so strange how some cheating is just let slide and yet things like this that aren't even illegal are banned hastily

[@NikoKyunKyun]

i think the system fall to the "passive 4 wheel steering" some cars nowadays have traction control to limit the inner wheelspin to make the car better at cornering, i even think diffs could be called passive 4 wheel steering to some extent

[@matiasbiondolillo5217]

The difference between cheating and genius can be as small as one word in the rulebook. Still impressive engineering.

[@1ddrizzle]

It’s like a hand brake or cutting brakes they use in drifting or rally racing. Really common in dune buggies

[@Addyboy0190]

It's an innovation like DAS that got sidelined because it couldn't be copied

[@refraggedbean]

when your new tech gets banned in F1 you know you've found something special

[@mckutzy]

They should come up with a ultimate racing open series. Allow all "banned" Tech From standard series. Fuel bias weight distribution systems, 4 wheel steeling, brake steer ect..... Teams know itll be a dangerous run... everyone's got an edge over something. Obviously Have a core rule book, No rocket assist, nitro ect.. But ya have a series that has all of these great ideas alloud to be put in a vehicle and see what happens.

[@deadbeef576]

and no budget limit

[@dman8951]

Mazda does use this brake steer method on the mx-5. They call it Kinematic Posture Control (KPC). It’s computer controlled so no second brake pedal but it does the same general thing.

[@TheLtVoss]

The part that is mind boggling too me is that they didn't install a valve linked to the stearing rack to switch the side on what the stearing break is active to gain for the full potential of the system

[@DonziGT230]

This is a bit like the turning brakes on a sand rail, it's extremely effective if you use it right and deadly if you use it wrong.

[@johndavidwolf4239]

It was not a new idea, some WW-2 era "Doodlebug tractors" home made from old 1930 vintage Ford model A's had dual rear brake pedals, but for the reason of limited traction in mud on the farm.

[@bengreene9072]

They could've used a diverter valve linked to the steering wheel. Turning the wheel one way, sends fluid to the appropriate side. While straight it would send the fluid to both sides

[@MTThought]

Hemi Under Glass had a similar concept. Had to have a way to steer while it was going along on two wheels. That system was hand operated I think

[@nickgovier]

The real hero of this story is Darren Heath, for spotting the glowing brake discs on corner exit, correctly guessing what was going on, then managing to get proof.

[@barefootalien]

I don't understand... I've always heard that one of the selling points of F1 was that it wholeheartedly embraces technological innovation, how most of the really huge improvements in safety and performance technology on the road originated in F1. But they don't allow electronic driving aids, which weren't all that uncommon even in the late 90's when this happened, and are basically ubiquitous today?

[@fnorgen]

So as per protocol, when Ferrari couldn't instantly figure it out they threw a tantrum and the innovation was banned. Got it.

[@danielbert1925]

Honestly I thought this was genius and the the other teams were just jealous about it because either 1)the engineers couldn't figure it out or 2) the drivers couldn't match thier skill level with using a 4th pedal

[@jakemustian99]

Lots of heavy equiptment has this. A split break pedal. Press in the middle, both wheels stop. Press left, left stops, press right,right stops

[@PBMS123]

Sports cars use this now (although its automatic), on Chevy cars its called torque vectoring, that use the abs system to independently control the speed and braking of other 4 wheels while turning.

[@AGryphonTamer]

This is really cool, and this kind of engineering is exactly what people want to see.