Why This Is The Biggest Change To Pokemon In 20+ Years

[@droomish1]

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[@BikiniLongjarhorn]

Making mountain out of an anthill?😮

[@atemnott7062]

I find it surprising that when praising Area Zero you didn’t mention that when you initially go there for the story you CAN’T jump, they take away Koraidon/Miraidon for your first journey down there, I think that’s because they wanted to create a level of tension that would be severely diminished if you could just glide over to the various research bases and press the locks in a few minutes, the freedom of the open world style has essentially removed puzzles from the games and this was their closest attempt to bring back slower more methodical movement and exploration, even if it was just for one area

[@droomish1]

great point! I remember that feeling so odd, but not in any real negative way, just compared to the rest of the game. I think I was so consumed at that point by the physical architecture aspect that that first impression slipped my mind

[@LordVarkson]

I frothed so hard when I hit Area Zero. I was like "when did this game get good?!".

[@socialistbcrumb]

I really appreciate how this is a love letter to the past and present with an eye to the future. It’s easy to fall into bemoaning how they haven’t quite ironed out an open world design that maximizes what open exploration and verticality can bring when they had achieved really tight linear worlds. But you can see where places like Oni Mountain or Area Zero have this promise of dungeons you can go in, out, up, and down with little nooks to discover and weird 3D shapes to emphasize the fantastical nature of the Pokémon world.

[@droomish1]

I really think the best is yet to come. cause even with all the time in the world, this is a drastic transition that is going to take time. there's a lot to look back on and a lot to look forward to!

[@socialistbcrumb]

@@droomish1 agreed! Very excited to see what’s next

[@rushxanthemtcg5607]

I completely disagree. Their open worlds are bland and lifeless with zero meaningful content.

[@DexyDaddy]

@@rushxanthemtcg5607 Your "disagreement" doesn't contradict any of the aforementioned points. A lot of Sc/Vi and LA are exactly what you stated; in both games, there are also several segments and set pieces that allude to the vision of a promising future, sections of the game that almost amount to something extremely promising to the future of the franchise. These sorts of things exist in many of the generations, but the Switch titles are the most jarring in the contradiction of potential and disappointment. I, personally, very much enjoyed both games, and am excited for the upcoming games for the reasons previously discussed. If you're not, that's fine, but it's silly to ignore the existence of promise and innovation in the recent games.

[@RiqMoran]

i would like to counter the "empty space" comment with that it is absolutely necessary space for spawning pokemon in a way that makes it fun to complete the pokedex. the less space, the more spawns share it, and the more frustrating it becomes to catch everything.

[@RiqMoran]

it is a direct byproduct of that "empty space" that Scarlet Violet has become the single best game for completionists and shiny hunters.

[@droomish1]

another super good angle. I think it's a little harder for me to appreciate wild pokemon as a physical facet of a landscape because they come and go, but they are definitely there and give the feeling either way

[@GappyV]

the DSPN (Droomish Sports & Pokemon Network) intro goes crazy

[@droomish1]

great new bit idea, gonna roll with this

[@DasLandShark]

@@droomish1 your hello sports fans absolutely one of my favorite intros on KZbin lol

[@MrShadowThief]

First time I was reading the shiny new HMs Diamond and Pearl were introducing, I thought Rock Climb would allow me to walk over ledges.

[@oof5992]

I miss my bike.

[@megaspacewaffles]

Whatever do you mean? We have your amazing sandwich loving friend!

[@Reinoiro]

"I miss my wife, Tails"

[@Astar24653]

I miss my roller skates

[@marcusthesmokinguchiha]

You still owe me a bike

[@droomish1]

I believe the going rate is 1 million pokedollars

[@UltimatePhantasm]

My problem is that you still need your mount to jump, as there's still no doing it on foot also, Acro Bike

[@ackoladeTV]

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[@oipropqewe]

When?

[@canaldecasta]

I like that the terrain is so poorly done you can Skyrim your way everywhere the moment you unlock the mount.

[@megaspacewaffles]

I honestly can’t think of a single game open world game where you CANT skyrim clip up mountains

[@jai249]

@@megaspacewaffles pokémon Leaf Green for the GBA

[@megaspacewaffles]

@@jai249 that’s not an open world game

[@jai249]

@ yeah

[@megaspacewaffles]

@@jai249 which is why I said open world games???

[@jonathanmuncil8782]

Me when I jumped to watch this video immediately

[@brandonm8901]

Did I imagine the Acro bike then?

[@garryame4008]

I'm the type of jerk who prefers the world design of 2d pokemon games over the 3d ones

[@babafisi8135]

Ugh, saaaaaammmee.

[@Nameless_mixes]

That doesn’t make you a jerk. Everyone has preferences. I definitely found myself enjoying the 2D games more than the 3D ones. Most of the 3D ones were still enjoyable. But they didn’t capture the same magic.

[@StafkiGTN]

I think both have their own merit. Let's stop comparing them in general

[@Idarak1]

there's a lot of jerks then because most Pokemon fans seem to prefer the old games

[@garryame4008]

@@StafkiGTN They definitely both have merit, but the 2d games had, IMO, consistently well designed worlds whereas the 3d ones haven't hit their stride yet. While I understand getting frustrated at seeing some nostalgic players complaining, let's not try to shut down conversation and comparison. That's just part of appreciating art

[@publishedsorrow3066]

i put an embarassing amount of time in Legends Arceus.

[@meteorbower]

fun video, as usual! this one hits particularly close to home, as i've been working on a video for a while about stairs in the pokemon games and their evolution, particularly over the early gens. there is something so fascinating diving into the mechanisms that give these game worlds their distinct flavors.

[@droomish1]

hey that's great, hope to see it when you finish

[@Nixoth]

Blew mind when we got controlled flight in the indigo disc

[@RiqMoran]

its actually so frustrating going back to swsh and NOT being able to jump. it feels so restrictive. more so than any other game where i dont expect to be able to jump at all.

[@funnelkaek]

this video really had everything! the best zelda game twilight princess, a bomb clip in sm64, spoink, snakeater reference from mgs, jumping, and masquerain the best pokemon!! i am truly surrounded by beauty everytime i watch a new droomish video

[@chozora]

I was real worried that you wouldn't be surrounded by beauty in this video

[@droomish1]

it was a close call, but we made it happen. thanks for checking in about this

[@RicckDinizz]

The transition from the intro to the start of the storytelling is really subtle, congrats

[@parkerdixon-word6295]

"You can perform this rare act" yes, this rare ability known as "Skyrimming" to climb mountains that you aren't supposed to be able to.

[@zivamayne]

2:19 I always thought those were one way fences or something💀. I didn’t realize you were jumping from higher land to lower land, and I’ve been playing these games for 14 years

[@terderrer]

I am really glad you made this, cause it was honestly a big worry for me that the games were just slowly phasing out puzzles and in depth exploration of towns, routes , and caves. I wish there was a way to somewhat make a hybrid of both the old games puzzle rooms and the new games freedom of movement. Like how breath of the wild does things.

[@JosephShemelewski]

When he jumped I spit out my drink, pointed at the screen and screamed "HOLY SHIT" and started crying uncontrollably at the amazing thing I just witnessed

[@MaxArceus]

The way Gen 3 games handle their 'height' is very interesting, and completely counterintuitive. It's kinda hard to explain, but it's worth looking into, you can use a tool like Porymap to see how it's done. The game keeps track of every tile's height, to ensure that even if 2 adjacent tiles are both accessible (not solid like a tree), but at a different height, you can't go from one to the other. You'd think the height of a tile goes up by 1 if you've crossed stairs, but no. Most of the time, that doesn't happen at all. Only if that 'zone' of height actually has any tiles adjacent to what would be a lower height, without any blocked-tiles in between as border/buffer, is the height increased. You can only surf from height 3, also, and the way the suspension bridges are done is also quite interesting.

[@MattDustyParker]

Such a good video. And an even better talking point. I don't even bother with other trainers in SV. BDSP was the last gasp of the old style for the foreseeable future. How will that impact its legacy going forward? Happy thanksgiving Droomish, if you celebrate.

[@kristi_smearg]

I never thought I'd say this, but I think we need to go back. I think we need to lose the ability to jump, or at least SEVERELY nerf it, so that Gamefreak can design routes and caves in the maze-like way they used to. I miss it. I think we have too much freedom of movement... it makes the terrain trivial. It makes routing impossible. I want the world to feel like a real, huge world that stretches beyond what I can see, beyond what I can reach, not like a giant sandbox to jump and fly over. I need that mystique back. I think the new open-world hyper-maneuverable format makes it really hard for them to make any place feel like secret area you gotta work to discover. It's still possible, and I'm sure there are a couple of examples, but... It's just not easy to design areas like that when you can move so freely in any direction, especially vertical. That said, the examples you gave here of the places that make the strongest use of the new open-world format are a compelling counterpoint, those areas all did stand out as locations that truly did benefit from the change, and couldn't exist without it. I hope that, going forward, if we do retain this level of freedom of movement, we see more areas like those, that feel intentionally designed. At the very least though, I think they need to create obstacles that really truly do act as obstacles- maybe if we could only jump a couple feet up, rather than like, 20 feet in the air, that may give them the ability to find a middleground between the two styles.

[@MidoriNatsume]

And make HMs into unlockable items and features like the Let's Go games.

[@jmcbango]

I agree with you wholeheartedly, but I also feel that the team at Game Freak does not know how to design compelling 3D spaces. I don't feel that we need to go back, but rather that Pokemon should go the way of the Zelda series: simultaneously developing 3D open-world adventures alongside the classic 2D style that we know and love. This would give them the time to hone their craft when it comes to filling out an open world that actually feels exciting to explore, while also innovating on concepts introduced in the limited 2D space of the older gens

[@kristi_smearg]

@@MidoriNatsume As long as your personal team members are the ones doing the HM actions, I'm down for that

[@majamystic256]

I think Sword and Shield kinda had a good balance of routes and open areas

[@tk24life]

@@jmcbango I think this could be the role of remakes going forward.

[@mikewilkinson8653]

I didn’t appreciate restrictive movement until I tried to recreate a version of the ice gym puzzle (where need to step on every tile once) in D&D, and my players immediately broke it by jumping and moving diagonally, lol.

[@praalgraf]

this is such a loveletter to the past and future of pokémon. i kind of hope pokemon goes for the zelda or mario route, with both 3d and 2d titles, but i doubt it

[@SonicMeters]

Great video

[@capreo]

this made me jump for joy

[@cjsdizzy]

A new droomish video, just for me?!

[@cis22]

This video made me realize that Wyrdeer, Koraidon, and Miraidon have made the Acro Bike obsolete.

[@cdkw2]

8:39 the eye open snorlax 💀

[@Rafael_Oiticica]

Seeingall the nuances and details you showed, I'll not be surprised if Game Freak take off this fature next Gen due to the complications it brings, instead of trying to adapt to it. I would love to see some new era of Pokémon, in which new 3D models with actual animations, new architecture involving the ability of the player to jump now (even if after some part the game) and new ideas of gym leaders. But this is a distant dream.

[@FairyPhantasia]

Or riding my Dragonite in Let's Go 😊 Or running on Arcanine

[@erinlea4473]

12:21 oh god why can't i stop thinking about snake in pokemon now

[@blakdeth]

I hope, going forward, that 3d movement stays a thing in pokemon, but is slowed down a bit. I used to think the map felt small, but I eventually realized that the map isn't too small, the player is too big. With the combination of easy fast travel and miraidon/koraidon, you're rarely more than 20 seconds away from any location. You can reach a point where traversal becomes an afterthought, which isn't good for a open world game. If your game is open world, getting from point a to point b should be the star of the show, not something you can ignore in the late game

[@tk24life]

I think this started with being able to fly over things in the Let's Go games.

[@nsiderultimaseth]

This party's JUMPIN'.

[@mr.gamewatch6165]

12:21 Bro snuck in a Metal Gear reference

[@LeviAuren]

I understood everything that was said. But the fact that these games were not given the time for their split teams to develop and polish these games into a “Nintendo seal of not apologizing publicly for a lack of quality control” makes feeling the impact really hard without cringing at the contrast. “Magnificent Area Zero” while the deeper area reveals itself early due to clipping. Or that the first time through area zero forces you to not jump and just miss out on explorable areas. Game feel was accomplished, but content density, visual presentation, and game design were not. Guess I’ll go pirate gen 3 now because it still hasn’t arrived on switch online with Pokemon home compatibility (free money).

[@asmrtpop2676]

I actually never felt like the ledges in the 2d games looked like ledges or like I was going up a hill lol. I also have autism though. It just looked flat to me. As a kid I straight up didn’t get what the Npc meant by ledges I just knew I could “jump” “over” those rock piles one way. I got older and understood what they meant, but still didn’t feel the graphics reflected it well. Imo!

[@kaymojil7669]

It’s interesting to pair legends and s/v together, I know they share the generation but they feel so different to me.

[@Cloud_Dancer]

Legends is gen 8, SV is gen 9

[@majamystic256]

I couldn't get into legends arceus, it was bit boring and odd to me, I wasn't able to get through it all and then Scarlet and Violet are just fine (they aren't as great as some of the older pokemon games but they are also not bad, they are just fine, I do like the story and music of gen 9 and the pokemon designs)

[@w0ody16]

Jumping in Pokemanz... It ain't right! It ain't natural!

[@algar6616]

9:39 dont be a jerk, theyre grippy

[@NoNo-rl2lc]

It is droomish dranksgiving

[@zivamayne]

7:48 Why is Snorlax using whirlpool💀

[@Mojaveknight17]

Jumping changed souls games with sekiro and Ering

[@jamesasker3846]

can someone please explain 'surrounded by beauty' to me? i've heard it like 5 times now, always accompanied by Mario Galaxy footage, and google doesn't seem to have any answers lol

[@timr.2257]

What’s the game at 7:05?

[@nelsondaily]

Bomb Rush Cyberfunk

[@MidoriNatsume]

And all that was lost was good Level Design. Maybe they'll figure out how to make 3d games by the time Full Dive Virtual Reality technology is widely available. Let's keep a tiny smidge of hope for ZA.

[@Shinntoku]

They learned when they made Kitakami tbh. Just like with SwSh, they took what they learned making the base game and improved in the DLC

[@geraldwheatly1824]

I can only hope that like mario, we get 2d and 3d games I the future

[@dawnhero6439]

KO RAI DON er MI RAI DON

[@SerDerpish]

Enjoy your jumping while you can before they inevitably remove it in gen 10. Just like the Battle Frontier, reusable TMs, rotation battles, and friggin’ FISHING 🤦🏽

[@inktendo]

I want my character to jump, please

[@Zoroark_Master]

What is this Pokimon series you talk about? I only know Pokémon

[@ufailowell]

Sorry for being the only guy on KZbin to not get that ugreen money today

[@reedhendges2094]

I miss 2D

[@zdrident]

I flipped your avatar upside down and you are still grumpy 😠

[@rooislangwtf]

I don't understand the people who thinks the old restriced navigation filled with mazes and "puzzles" made the world feel more real, but I hope their living situation improves.

[@CamCommand99]

I dont want to jump. I don't want wide open areas with pokemon plopped it. I want tightly designed areas with enemies and Pokémon purposeful placed for me to enjoy. Not jump over.

[@nyancat8828]

I personally like that there's no set path. It lets me explore what I want at my own pace, rather than have the same set in stone adventure everyone else does. You get to enjoy telling others your different experiences rather than just talking about if a certain trainer was hard to beat or not. Plus it encourages me to keep playing even after the story ends to explore every last corner as I can just go for it, rather than be stuck taking the same route over again just to get to the same place. I like being able to choose which direction I want to go to get somewhere, but I understand not everyone wants that

[@JonS554]

7:06 what game is that?

[@TrvisXXIII]

I never felt like I was walking up a hill in route 1 lol even the slope in cycling road

[@lucaswatson1913]

I DESPISE that you have to engage with the boxart legendary to travel around in SV, like its so lame

[@grlluigi]

😢😢😢😢

[@PhilipMurphy8]

Ahhh a sponsor, that isn't beautiful at all

[@lukemorgan6166]

What a pointless vid

[@KDubOriginal]

Kanto is pronounced Con-toe not can-toe. Kalos is pronounced Cal-os not call-os and Paldea is pronounced Pal-day-ah not paul-day-ah.

[@777guy1]

This guy really running out of ideas

[@KDubOriginal]

Ar-key-us not Ar-see-us. Alternatively, Ar-kay-us.

[@MrCoolSponge]

I dont think anything you said was true