why tinker should be the 1st removed hero of dota

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[@thehermit8723]

Tinker players ....a blight upon this community.

[@endlessnoodle3056]

Volvo: "As of 7.33, blink gets muted for 3 seconds upon recieving damage instead of going on cooldown" Tinker: "Imma pretend it didn't happen"

[@endlessnoodle3056]

@@icheckedavailability that's how it supposed to work. 3 second mute is separate from cooldown and shouldn't be affected by rearm

[@belich4609]

​@@endlessnoodle3056 it will kill the speciality of this hero which had been so since dota allstars

[@endlessnoodle3056]

@@belich4609 you mean back when he couldn't cheese rearm-blink because shield wasn't a thing? Yeah, totally, that's the only reason Tinker was ever viable, he'd be nothing without it 🤡

[@legendarynoob4689]

@@endlessnoodle3056 unfortunately its the barier spell that negates that. bcs he does not take dmg and the barier is pretty potent and gives status resist.

[@kingkezz9188]

I can tell you are ape rank if you think rearming thru damage and blinking away (a skill which requires elite level timing and reflex) is a cheese. Like severe braindamage to even come up with that. Most like ancient/divine@@endlessnoodle3056

[@WikiED]

While Tinker's avg wins are in the gutter you can't deny that the ceiling is far too high compared to the rest of the heroes. The game should never have an unstoppable Exodia regardless of how unlikely it is to assemble.

[@no3ironman11100]

You make a good point.

[@redbaron5224]

It is not unstoppable. Tundra are just noobs. Cannot buy bkb on WR. TB also bought trash items while they was winning 5k net worth

[@M0R0W]

Same with PL then or

[@artyompopov7741]

Broodmother?

[@nalliug23]

I Blame tinker the g

[@jackthebeetle7981]

Gabe: wow, Tinker looking unstoppable, anyway let's nerf CM.

[@alialekberli172]

This is main reason why they must nerf cm

[@KoharoTV]

I usually watch your videos in my free time, but it's been 5 months since your last video. Is everything okay

[@noobgod3216]

You noticed it too?

[@elaman-]

​@@Lulz-gv7uxokay I will say it. What ligma?

[@Eternything]

Hes ded

[@AliceMill69]

He's die

[@SneakoV2]

he died of full blown aids

[@yadooomadooo3833]

Who tf put a free BoT on thinker anyway like 5-6min dagger and hell be hard to catch

[@dandipsn9485]

where my guy at?? its been 10months

[@braz_ghale9613]

I'm also curious

[@Blitzkit]

It's funny that bkb rework made tinker a bit stronger. As having a 50% magic resistance is better than spell immunity.

[@Mr.Moderator22]

Where is new Videos??? Where are you Elwonoccino? :(

[@abyssaldragon1099]

Tinker is the one hero in dota I've never understood. Every other hero has cooldowns, and every other hero has multiple ways to play around them. Tinker is literally the most unnecessary hero in dota, because his ult breaks the balancing of dota itself; blink has no cd if you refresh it, breaking his blink now means you have to instantly burn through a 200 hp barrier, he has permanent flying vision, he is the only hero in the game who can perma-stun another hero while nuking them to death from anywhere on the map, he is the only hero in dota for whom there are 3 lategame counters that all must be picked during the drafting phase... I'm pretty sure I haven't even said everything this PoS hero messes up about the game. Even techies, annoying as they are, has more counter play than Tinker does. I actually just don't understand why Tinker exists at all

[@derbyblade9572]

Yet, they still buff his barrier and damage😂

[@hessiankyojin]

Who are the 3 late game counters?

[@rianalfa4202]

​@@hessiankyojin one of my fav to counter Tinker is Slardar. BUT only if I can get good items

[@bicboi1945]

I have played tinker for 1000+ hours and i can explain his greatest weakness to you- 1. Extremely weak laning phase, any roam gank or lane counter slows tinker down 2. Heavy item requirements means lots of farm, so if 1 can be achieved you can snowball to prevent second point. 3. Very weak against global/ high mobility heroes- zues, spec, clock, sb, any heroes that can find him and shut him down is good 4. Shutting tinker down requires team coordination, thus he’s much better in lower rank games, he’s actually quite hard to play well on high ranks because enemy always know to focus tinker in fights

[@dota2blendezt686]

@@bicboi1945 indeed

[@baton5]

All that is missing is the T1000 theme from terminator 2 in the background.

[@KorisnikBr1]

2 reasons I don't want to learn to play tinker 1. I feel as soon as I learn to play tinker e woul get nerfed into oblivion 2. it's so taxing on mental health

[@jehunt1223]

just play tinker. its better even u have dogs teammates u still can carry by ur self

[@dangdang20202]

You'll be missed buddy, hope you found peace.

[@immagonko4261]

Not even the power of CM can stop him

[@LordSukma]

40% larger map doesn't effect with tinker

[@zaishandika]

Bigger map more tinker advantages

[@ip7792]

When its full of Hot Keys script, but as all of you knows - its alloyed and pure skill

[@rhyshueppauff3146]

Other tinkers might be scripting but I don't see any scripting in this vid

[@ip7792]

@@rhyshueppauff3146 check again after 0:37 - this is script

[@rhyshueppauff3146]

​@@ip7792 Even that isn't scripting, you can press buttons pretty fast together. Also there is some small variation.

[@helladope8598]

@@ip7792 lol? Pressing 2 items + 1 item + 1 skill under 0.5 sec is scripting? U need to learn more to realize that’s doable af 😂

[@ip7792]

@@helladope8598 It is not necessary, but when you press those buttons in same timing 5times in a row - there is something wrong. I'm working as automation QA, and i'm writing automation scripts for BE services and E2E tests, so i can say that most of the humans cannot do it in this sequence and that timing ;)

[@Raggmunk81]

What do you mean "first" removed hero? They already removed Techies twice.

[@no3ironman11100]

If by removed you mean making him be able to jump people ontop of laying mines already..

[@zenmaster8826]

@@no3ironman11100 He is talking about the blast off nerf…. Removing that long ass silence is a huge nerf

[@no3ironman11100]

@@zenmaster8826 Oh right that recent change. I think the original techies change was great imo. The minefield is also basically a 10s stun. If you move in it you get fucked badly.

[@Raggmunk81]

@@zenmaster8826 I'm talking about the 7.00 "rework" that removed the hero from the game, and the 7.31 "rework" that removed him from the game again. Say what you will about whether the old Techies was fun or fair to play against, the reworks were substantial enough that it could just as well have been a new hero added instead.

[@zenmaster8826]

@@Raggmunk81 Old techies was toxic for newbs and pubs.. and wasn’t used in the higher mmr ranks….. It was due for a rework. Thou it is sad he lost his uniqueness….

[@luthfinicolasereni5595]

Still cannot understand why Lotus does not block Tinker stupid spells

[@gabonskaiagadziuka]

Lotus blocks & reflects laser and is indeed very useful

[@luthfinicolasereni5595]

@@gabonskaiagadziuka Is this new? Last time I bought it, it did not reflect laser and rocket

[@gabonskaiagadziuka]

@@luthfinicolasereni5595 rocket its not targeted so lotus doesn't work. laser is targeted. Everything that's targeted is reflected by lotus if it's used by targeted hero. Reason it didn't work for you and you misinformed your inner concious is that laser that hit you probably jumped from your teammates. With aghanim jump range is increased so you didn't see it coming. Lotus works against tinker since it's latest "rework" (slight change). Must be at least 4 years.

[@user-fe9bz2pn9o]

@@gabonskaiagadziuka Lotus is just reflecting the spells and not blocks them.

[@xynged]

I get notification from elwono and eblade for this same clip

[@Baropidobisonpop]

Почему все говорят что нужно пофиксить тинкера но не обращают внимание на топ 1 мидера СНГ?

[@dadadada-fj6cn]

Он в соло выиграл игру против чемпионов инта, как бы они не пытались его законтрить. Да, он круто сыграл и сам он по себе очень сильный и стабильный, но герой поломаный нахуй в край и отрицать это глупо. Вообще, я разочаровался, кога не увидел реворка/удаления тинкера в этом патче. Каждая игра против него длится 60+ минут, где он играет 1х5

[@Baropidobisonpop]

@@abbatina4696 так выигрывай на тинкере каждую игру раз герой сломан на твоих 2к птс

[@magajacksonn]

@@Baropidobisonpop ,🤡

[@abbatina4696]

@@Baropidobisonpop гениальный анализ кол-ва птсов по коменту, жаль немного неверный, по пунктам 1) я тройка которая спамит эту позицию 3.5 года, уже отпадает 2) в моем окружении достаточно людей которые его любят и по и словам это и морально и физически выматывает, требуется держать постоянно высокий апм и в конце игры устают как пальцы так и голова 3) хуярить 20 ммов в день на тинкере со стабильным результатом идея говно (см пункт 2), а забравшись высоко по птсам на тинкере ты как травоман будешь руинить на всех остальных героях и сливать их обратно P.S. Предвещая первый тупорылый вопрос нет я не сижу на одном птсе кучу лет, а иду в плюс (сейчас 5400) P.P.S. Предвещая второй тупорылый вопрос да безусловно чтобы выиграть в соло на тинкере надо запотеть и в плане прожатия кнопок и в плане макро игры, однако он все равно сломан поскольку у него эта возможность вообще есть, его скилы имеют огроменный потенциал, гораздо выше чем у других героев, скилы в среднем сильнее чем у остальных (привет лазер 320 чистого +аое +100% мисы) и в идеале не нерфить числа а реворкать полностью поскольку сам по себе концепт героя сломан, как пример тинкер покупает хекс и 1 на 1 он становиться сильнейшим героем, 6к голды для тинкера зачастую важнее чем 10к голды для его кери он реализует их лучше

[@hishiki1988]

​@@dadadada-fj6cn дак там ластпик тинкер был и для него всё было идеально сто бы устроить соло игру

[@TheSangjy]

whats with the BG audio? :)

[@ThreeWhiteSoldiers]

it's been long time since the last time I played dota. what's that yellow and blue bar above HP on the HUD?

[@whitedarkness97]

shield hp

[@mikemaleta5491]

BKB Night Stalker: it just a snack for me😎

[@Hoodwinklover61191]

WE LOVE TINKER... WE ❤DEPRESSED KID@KIYOTAKA

[@cemungutslayer]

dafuq i just realise it was deppresed kid because of your comment man im happy that he reach this far,kinda sad when he lose on TI 10 qualifier after winning on every lower bracket match only to lose to team spirit at the final

[@Hoodwinklover61191]

@@cemungutslayer haha.. Jari nya ada 20 boss 😂😂 anjayyy

[@baguih007]

But every now and then, you witness tinker got absolutely buttrape by pugna double nether ward

[@LovelyLori193]

seeing tinker clips puts me in fight or flight mode i am sick to my stomach im shaking and pissing and crying that's so fucked

[@Hvorgandr]

It's been 5 months, where are you Elwono? Have you quit playing BetaCircus 2 like others?

[@ariefnuryanto8465]

wooow tinker can do so many possibilities. OSFrog: ok let's do more rework on od and clinkz!

[@rantaianahtarc7220]

Its kinda hard playing tinker so i appreciate a good tinker player.

[@tschabow5608]

Same category as old techies

[@Daniel-iq4lb]

tf u say tinker is hard?

[@MrMikopi]

When they start smurfing or account boosting, I don't.

[@ezzuanishraqy5789]

its not that hard act but the decision making, calculation and positioning learn by experience. else youre gifted

[@Joyexer]

Same here. I also like how unique he is with his gameplay. Its funny to me, that people complain so much about how he resets Items so much, when it really is most of what he got in endgame. Heros like Tinker is what actually makes dota such a great game for me. A lot of variety in the heroes and some truly unique ones with Tinker, Meepo, Chen or Invoker for excample. Wish we would see more of Meepo for excample in the pro scene.

[@minidiamantl5462]

Come one tinker! Blink distance!

[@TherealBDL]

As a tinker player that hasnt played a game in 5 year. This is niiiiiiiicccceee

[@user-cm7gn1hi1m]

prob?

[@NewTypexvii]

Tinker just needs a new ulti.

[@gabrielferreira3434]

bro where are you

[@hahai4267]

where is elvocino??

[@6oLsh0i6o0z3]

He passed on

[@fabiomatil2018]

Why does he use shivas every single time he blinks, even thou there's no enemies around? It's like a muscle memory or something?

[@pool-daniellerm232]

He is scripting lol

[@Library4Lich]

I play Tinker a lot and it's mucle memory, it's kinda hard to press your untargeted rotations like Shiva consciously only when you need I can guarantee you good tinkers don't use and have no use of scripts, it is literally just muscle memory Even at his high level there is still so much more to improve in theory, it's not easy, but even Kiyotaka can play much better

[@kovyakov]

were are you mate?

[@timofey5141]

And why should him be removed?

[@DingJong]

tinker loses all matches, then when he wins a "tinker needs to be removed and blablabla"

[@karevartem]

Classic

[@gabonskaiagadziuka]

so true

[@tonaka86]

1 second of this update is killing 10 years of balance tinker. This new patch will be balanced after 5 years. GG IZI NOOB VOLVO

[@fabiane2606]

elwono... where are you mate?

[@adenaufal]

He's not making Dota videos anymore bro, he already moved on as a KZbin strategist

[@rakeshchandrashekar8631]

Are you okay? I missed your daily uploads. Looks like I'm addicted 🙃

[@parenchyma]

Bro are you okay? it's been 9 months since your last video.

[@nikitarozhkov3617]

They just need to remove matrix , i hate it so much, i just want old tinker with march he was so easy to counter during early game and mid game , but now they are just buying blink , maxing laser and rockets and destroy every lane , this hero was balanced back then, when he was absolute trash at start , and unstoppable in late game , now he is always strong with free travelers and matrix. This rework was one of the worst valve decisions .

[@d_denragon]

Debuff Immunity was a mistake, bring back Spell Immunity

[@Trofimov_]

not tinker but Gleb fucin "kiyotaka" Zyryanov

[@personax5930]

Techies (old) already was the first by the way

[@A.R.Barelvi]

Tinker ench bounty. That's a nasty and cheesy draft they got there

[@phoenixlandsberg9649]

In any game, professional or any mmr level -- if you didn't completely obliterate tinker and his team before this bastard gets a blink dagger (including having a draft that can counter tinker) you get an unstoppable hero that can solo the game. Imagine the rotten brain of a person that reworked tinker from having machines as inherit skill into a hero with a free travel boots and shield that allowes you to blink while taking damage. No hero in dota is a broken and unstoppable as the fucking tinker is.

[@LadymariaOTAC]

Just remove rearm or make it double digit cd . Simple as that

[@anksssssssss]

Lmao , 😂😂😂😂😂 , rearm is the only good thing about this below average win rate hero called tinker .

[@gabonskaiagadziuka]

Let's remove SF ulti because it can kill CM in a single cast when positioned near-perfectly.

[@keatonwastaken]

Items are often balanced because they have long CD, what a genius idea to add a hero that has no CD on items..

[@sorik20]

Rearm has been a thing since dota 1, people just got better and stopped complaining about it

[@LordEddardStarkk]

@@sorik20 The rework!!!

[@sorik20]

@@LordEddardStarkk yep thats Icefrog's philosophy with balancing, he'll introduce all this changes and then the community complains about it -- Icefrog will stay quiet and people just adapt to the new changes (there was even a meme for it) This has been the way since Dota 1 and Im sure if someone can still access PlayDota's forum data -- you'll find various thread complains but no replies from Icefrog

[@themanwhocantbemovedbyatru1988]

​@@sorik20 the funny thing is, the old tinker with the march is more balanced than the current tinker. Yes, he can farm faster, but at least he doesn't have a shield that prevents any counter play to be done against him.

[@powpowpowpow1280]

hero is hero but all depend on player.

[@Enteractive100]

Deleted skill tele on tinker, because is make tinker special hero Back to normal tinker with teleport shoes

[@sorinelovic]

Flame Lord was the first hero removed hero

[@michakosmal8860]

But in that patch nyx is rly annoying hero for heroes like that 😂 like a tinker for 1 hit after his bb and tp to creep 😅 also injoker in this patch is like feed for nyx 😊

[@mochalatte5911]

If you need mana for skills, nyx is coming, if you have many mana, nyx is coming, this hero is so much better than anti mage🤣

[@LuaChels]

u okay?

[@jerahnmoru2349]

R.I.P Tinker 2024. 7.36 patch. You will be missed by us (Tinker spammers)

[@DECK3R]

Rearm should only work with spells and not item tbh

[@casmsfrought9956]

100% agree, infinite scythe hex is stupid

[@gonzaloaaronvilchezarispe3718]

A good team, Focus, orchid of malevolence, and everithing GONNA be fine.😂😂

[@Joyexer]

I would rather have cancer heros like Bristleback or Witch Doctor removed. Super low ceiling heros that are way to effective.

[@huytran8090]

Then why didnt any midplayer in this tournement pick Tinker but KIYOTAKA only? Tinker requires pure skill not many pro player can do

[@mraakmall6192]

don't worry guys, not all dota player fast hand like this player

[@aleks_wise]

приём приём, можно ты покажешь этот момент в матче? :D (я играл на Дазле (обратить внимание на ядро октарина)) игра - 7213727187, время - 17:40

[@wintermelonaltacc6644]

Average enemy's Tinker

[@Bojloi]

Are you alive bro? 56 days ago you uploaded last(this) video.

[@BullyMaguire387]

Yeah what happened to this channel? He used to upload everyday.

[@6oLsh0i6o0z3]

He dead

[@adenaufal]

He still making yt videos, just not dota anymore

[@BullyMaguire387]

@@adenaufal What is his new channel then?

[@adenaufal]

It's only one video though, maybe he will make another video on a new channel, idk

[@dorsetwarrior3870]

Just nerf his ult again, make it 6/4.5/3 divide spam by 2

[@raystinger6261]

I've always hated Tinker, but I don't think it should be removed. Maybe add a real cooldown to its ulti, a cooldown that isn't reset by the ulti itself.

[@tschabow5608]

I think they should do something similar with him as with techies tbh. Don‘t remove him, just change him into a totally different hero. They could quite easily turn him into something similar to skywrath or keep the easy tp and turn him into a magic damage natures (e.g. give him turrets with 3 charges instead of defense matrix and ult is a 10 sec cooldown boots of travel. His laser is quite strong even without cd refreshment, add a slow to the rocket and we‘re good. Can call them kneebreakers or shit like that)

[@Matthew-of3eb]

@@tschabow5608 Old techies was a lot better

[@eetfuk3571]

@@Matthew-of3eb old Techies is just your average Taliban on a daily basis. once the game reached 50mins you know you're fucked because you're not gonna touch those towers anymore due to a constant threat of getting one tapped by Techies.

[@Matthew-of3eb]

@@eetfuk3571 Well no, sentry wards were almost infinite back then and u would just put 1 sentry before u pushed tower or buy gem at that point in the game, old techies only got reworked because noobs complained and most of the player base were herald so..

[@eetfuk3571]

@@Matthew-of3eb idk man, I'm 5.2k mmr and got stuck in here for a long time and when people are complaining about Techies being a Taliban member, I was at 4.8k mmr and most of the people who are complaining about that hero was in my bracket. there's always a Techies game in EU server back then.

[@poorpiti6553]

Community opinion on this hero is like 99% negative and 1% is the 50kg spammers.

[@liusjuliano5694]

Is that using a script?

[@eLsain]

Gambler Astral Trekker Thunder Knight Celeste of Silvermoon The Conjurer Flame Lord Gondor, the Battlemaster God of Wind Void Demon Dark Terminator

[@Alexander-Valera]

Tinker is 13/5/8 and dire has 16k gold lead at the start of the video. What's the point? I think many heroes besides Tinker could carry the fight in this situation.

[@N123R]

If u watch full match, in early and mid game, tundra lead. And dont forget that, ramzez tilted so hard in this game, 6vs4,

[@jakubyjak7151]

Yep, tundra were winning, but tinker could still wipe them several times

[@eetfuk3571]

@@jakubyjak7151 it's a Tinker compliment draft. they are bound to win that game in late game situation which eventually happened.

[@babciewkapciach3133]

why nerf lets give 1s bilnk for all heroes

[@NM-wh8ms]

Tinker failed miserably twice in the tournament. Kudos to depressedkid for taking it to the next level!

[@beblessed1030]

is time to remove the shield and change it to something else

[@alikodesigner]

Депрессед кид в нереальной зоне

[@kompatybilijny9348]

midormeepo content when?

[@God-uf6yc]

what if tinker laser become magic :)

[@vnshngpnt]

No need to remove him, but balance his numbers and utility. Hero currently needs 0 brains to play, does millions of damage and on top of this has shield… crazy

[@ravensnflies8167]

Used to watch vids every day. Now, nothing.😢😢😢

[@user-fm9iw5bo4o]

wathappened

[@6oLsh0i6o0z3]

Dead ig.

[@adenaufal]

He still making yt videos, just not dota anymore

[@user-fm9iw5bo4o]

@@adenaufalwhat’s his new KZbin channel?

[@salmanqafarov9556]

İ 100% agree

[@AlexTim-mp8bq]

надо шиву герою встроить, ато слабоват

[@ultrainstinct1181]

Tinker isn't that easy to play properly tho.

[@poslanik1126]

He is not the first hero to be removed from dota….

[@roberthun516]

XDD this happens every time in turbo yeah sorry its turbo i get it

[@adamhero459]

Doesn’t have to be removed at all. But depending on the patch…. Rearm as it is now, definitely can do major cheese that you can to anything to stop. Although with the removing of his farming skill he is much more balanced now. But yes, if you are well ahead of the other team, what happened on the video does happen. Personally I think for items, rearm should full refresh items. It should either be a passive reduction like dazzle ult used to be for items, or have it reduce item cd by a certain amount of seconds when cast like how dazzzle ult is now(but not the hp cost). So he cant just make things like blink and sheep have a 1 second cd.

[@mintered9080]

playing against tinker is not dota but other game - finish in 20 searching him in woos or sit in etheral all the game

[@rylanmadge6254]

Just remove tinker refreshing blink and linkens and tinker would be alright

[@Library4Lich]

he doesnt refresh linkens tho

[@Ironclad404]

You can't erase tinker, but i can uninstall the game. And i did.

[@ffarkasm]

bloodthorn

[@ronjasondomingo8880]

dar tinker.

[@schemian1137]

KIYOTAKA AKA DEPRESSED KID = GOD

[@kv1000]

Come back

[@hafidzhaan]

Yeah or change the ult not refresh all skill and item anymore make new ult for him Refresh nonstop is bullshit

[@killbielski]

its not tinker, just the power of hotkey makros...

[@sangreal545]

That's game from major.

[@ninkashtaninka3287]

@@sangreal545 doesn't matter, why he use shiva every time with no enemy around? Totally scripted

[@sangreal545]

@@ninkashtaninka3287 to get vision. Also might be just a muscle memory. Anyhow it is not possible because they played on computers that esl gave them and plus they were constantly monitored.

[@entertain8648]

@@ninkashtaninka3287 there is no scripts it's just how every good tinker plays

[@natersumkatanuar7631]

You can do delay commands after channeling by holding shift.

[@lamMeTV]

Well second removed

[@alvarojoseph3576]

what?

[@hagunara1738]

but his winrate is 48% :v

[@gagewileman9434]

AM is jealous

[@kirilos8]

I ban him every single game. The only game i didnt ban him, he got picked and raped the whole time. I have like 80% losses against him in ranked. needs to be REMOVED.

[@ApexFungi]

They wont nerf hero who is stomping pubs. they care about Pro scene. otherwise why would they stop giving shit about acc buying, smurging and cheaters in lower rank ?

[@brukujinbrokujin7802]

As a retired player im kinda sad on how dota had become. Feels like any dying MMO that gives buffs to any character.