Why Trunks & Goten Are FAILED CHARACTERS!!

#Trunks #Goten #DragonBallSuper
Why are Trunks and Goten failed Characters? After Dragon Ball Super Chapter 88 and Chapter 89 it's clear that Goten and Trunks are failed characters. But why? It all began in Dragon Ball Z where Trunks and Goten are no where near as interesting as Gohan and Future Trunks.

[@AndrewAce.]

*Master Toriyama:* _"I have failed you, Trunks and Goten, I have failed you..."_ *Gotenks:* _"This is the end for you, my creator..."_

[@UnwantedGhost1]

This is hilariously accurate. 🤣

[@Eric6761]

Ok that's funny, good job

[@boneman9751]

Hey andrewace lmao

[@Lupo32]

His other work sand land is getting its Own animae movie .

[@aliastheabnormal]

Qaaman: You have to go thru a large list of more powerful fighters before you get to Trunks and Goten Goku: Even Yamcha? Myself: Even Yamcha...

[@jeskerjames3260]

It’s just sad how we went from early Buu Saga where Goku said “These boys are the only hope we have of stopping Majin Buu.” To now every time a major threat shows up, the adults tell them to stay home. I’m surprised Piccolo or Gohan didn’t tell them to leave the first second they showed up to fight Cell MAX.

[@OnionChoppingNinja]

I Guess TFS was right. "know your place and wait for Goku"

[@spritvio639]

Honestly, the main problem with Goten and Trunks is that it's too little too late. They had some shine in the Buu Saga, but after that, GT and Super showed no interest in them, so they became nothing characters. On top of that, in Super's case with the 12 universes, there are just more interesting things out there that overshadow them even more. Like Universe 6 with Hit and Cabba.

[@Eric6761]

A funny thing i realised it's that about all debates i saw of GT and Super, just a few picked on Goten and Trunks characters, just to show How no one cares for them

[@tornadragon4047]

Honestly like Having cabba and the other universe saiyans interact with goten and trunks would've been great but it's the goku show

[@UnwantedGhost1]

@@tornadragon4047 Exactly.

[@bignewsmorgans93]

Cabba's lame as hell. He's more boring than a plank of wood, and his design is garbage. Manlet looks like a cheap, stick figure version of Gohan.

[@Eric6761]

@@tornadragon4047 one thing i want them to touch again is Cabba and U6 saiyans because we basicaly need to know more of them

[@TheJaredPunch]

Gotenks. That’s the real problem. He worsen the problems he could have solved. He inherits both of his fathers weaknesses.

[@Eric6761]

Basicaly Gotenks it's Just Trunks in another skin, because being fair a problem i have with fusions except Goku and Vegeta fusions it's that they are basicaly the same person that is dominant, loud, obnoxious and kinda arrogant and that is lazy

[@RafiYagami]

I feel like Goten was there just for a friend/ rival for trunks. I think only way for them to be relevant is to give them their own mini series. Idk, maybe throw them in an alternate timeline or world (Isekai) where they can shine

[@Eric6761]

The only way i can like Goten is the Goten Black series and Goten from New Hope

[@Gt_oanime]

@@Eric6761 goten new hope is the personality he needs in super

[@Eric6761]

@@Gt_oanime Fr

[@thelegendarymarioman8461]

Goten was supposed to be the replacement of Goku but that was scrapped

[@Echo-nn8dt]

@@thelegendarymarioman8461 Gohan was supposed to be the replacement for Goku but it was scrapped

[@mr.patriotjol]

Unfortunately, Super had a chance to make Goten and Trunks intresting and show that hey have as much potential as Goku claimed during the Buu Saga. Granted, they had the power to show that they can do damage, but if they arent allowed to interact with the main characters to stop the bad guys, then their delivery of damage is wasted.

[@veryangryboi4128]

Goten and Trunks should've been the main protagonists in super there characters would've fitted the series way better

[@gameinguy]

Another point with Gotenks is their over reliance on him. It's like why should they train seriously when all they have to do is fuse to get that great power boost.

[@imsusanov2287]

Gotenks was never great In Buu saga he got beaten because Kids had no experience in real combat In super he has no experience plus he is very weak due to the stagnation of Kids power

[@AndrewAce.]

Trunks is a less compelling, less interesting, less mysterious, less cool, less powerful, and less developed version of another character who came along first - that being himself from an alternate timeline. It's like being compared to a superior twin brother: It isn't fair, but it's reality... Meanwhile Goten offers nothing Goku and Gohan haven't offered individually, and him and Trunks have failed to come into their own, and be relevant outside of those they're associated with... So, oof...

[@IMZ44]

To make a long story short. Both characters don't offer anything new and lack involvement in future plots. Plus, Trunks and Gotent aren't good fighters like Gohan, Future Trunks, and so on. Lastly, the fusion dance has done more harm than good for the characters.

[@UnwantedGhost1]

I couldn't agree more.

[@realizedpotential6640]

3:19 not to mention Future Trunks was there to face antagonists in movies such as Bojack & his crew, Broly, Super Android 13/other androids, hatchiyack/evil spirit past villains, etc so he gets extra nostalgia points. He's such a popular/fan favorite character they just had to bring him back in Dragon Ball Super.

[@jaysolo45]

100% Agree with this video, you basically broke down the entirety of these 2 characters up until this point. Which is why I'm hoping that the DBS manga and eventually the anime can do them some justice. Build around them Present day Trunks should be the complete opposite of Future Trunks, he has the timeline that Future Trunks wanted but isn't grateful for it to a certain degree because the majority of crisis that come to earth are handled by his father, Goku or Gohan and Piccolo. He lives in the shadow of his parents, with his father being one of the strongest beings in the universe and his mother being the most wealthy woman alive, Present Day Trunks probably struggles to find his own identity. Bulma is going to want Trunks to run capsule corp or at least be a part of it some day and Vegeta will want him to surpass him some day so he can pass on the title of being the prince of all saiyans. Trunks most likely acts rebellious due to the expectations that have been placed upon him by his parents. Being charismatic and a bit older Trunks easily talks Goten into joining his rebellious acts. Goten can't fully relate but he too struggles with identity but isn't bothered by it. Goten is basically what Goku would've been like if he grew up with family, he's care free like Goku but doesn't share the same passion for fighting as Goku. He spent most of his time being raised by his old brother and Chi-Chi. Spending time with Gohan and Trunks definitely makes Goten smart but mostly slow minded most of the time. If I were to simplify these characters it would be something like this. Trunks is the famous rich kid that acts out being due being privileged and Goten is a free spirit hippie that spends most of his time either with his friends or laying around. What I will say is that these two are definitely brothers, if Goku and Vegeta are rivals then Goten and Trunks are brothers.

[@StareachValcin]

The sad truth is that Goten and Trunks are failed characters in dragonball because they just aren't properly utilized in the series. They show that they have more potential than even Gohan, and even came close to defeating Majin Buu as Gotenks, but Goten and Trunks fall short and continue to fall short as the series progresses. Even though they are extremely powerful, they aren't allowed to fight to help save the earth, they aren't properly trained to improve, they constantly lose against major threats even as Gotenks, and they aren't even considered by the main cast themselves.

[@cheeseburgerfreddy6350]

Idk about more potential than Gohan he's still stated by Toriyama to be the z fighter with the most potential outside of broly.

[@UnwantedGhost1]

@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 Still, Goten & Trunks should have potential similar to Gohan since they're both Saiyan human hybrids. Instead of being irrelevant underdeveloped nostalgic comic relief.

[@isaiahgeorge906]

​@@UnwantedGhost1 The answer to that is heterosis, or more easily called hybrid vigor, as one hybrid might not have the same improvements as even a sibling hybrid.Yes, Goten and Trunks had a higher amount of S-Cells at birth from their fathers, but that's due the fact that their fathers were much stronger at that time, with the prime example being that Goku was much, much stronger when he conceived Goten compared to when he had conceived Gohan. Aside from that, Goten and Trunks clearly did not get the benefits of hybrid vigor, and can't be called heterotic, as they only got the respective traits from mothers and fathers, but none of the traits were enhanced. Gohan, on the other hand, can clearly can be seen as heterotic as his potential outshined what he should have been capable of from the S-Cells he had from birth, which means his genetic traits are more than just the simple addition of his parent's traits.

[@tillburr6799]

@@isaiahgeorge906 headcanon

[@therealrongu6599]

@@tillburr6799regardless of it being head canon it’s just plain dumb. Goten and Trunks surpassed kid Gohan by millions! Able to go super saiyan, stated to have the power of final form frieza, went toe to toe and almost killed buu, fought android 18, and SUPER SAIYAN Gohan was scared to be hit by rocks from Goten too close. His head canon was so garbage smh. It’s clear who has more potential. The damn kids who went ssj without training

[@Thisissirknight]

Gohan is the 🐐 of hybrids.

[@thelegendarymarioman8461]

*Goten now Not sure gohan is the Goat For being a mary sue

[@User_Call_Me_Chaudary]

Gohan is the only hybrid and only saiyan in saiyan race that on par with goku who train with angel who on par with vegeta who train with god and on par with LSS Broly wow And he half age of these three

[@giodawg45]

Even if they both got their own movie where they fuse into Gotenks and go Super Saiyan Blue 3, I don’t think people would lose their shit over it.

[@Eric6761]

Being fair people Don't hate or like them, they geniualy Don't give a fuck about the two, i realised that between both Super and GT versions of the two, no one i saw complained about how Super or GT ruined Goten or Trunks because they barely appear in both series except for a cameo or to help someone or something about plot

[@Keegstar]

Doesn't make it any better that they failed the fusion dance in the last movie 🤦

[@111vincento]

@@Keegstar in the end they made it work, but for some reason they never showed it... ugh

[@Keegstar]

@@111vincento ikr? Made me and my brother so pissed, lol

[@professorgoten]

Goten will get his time to shine trust

[@QaamansLand]

Did you see your comment in the video?

[@professorgoten]

@@QaamansLand yep I feel very proud 🥹

[@Hubba619]

I really hope so

[@ChigenAuz]

It's been 1 year lil bro, I don't think it's gonna happen 😢

[@I.K.Slash.]

I should've known you was about to put these boys on trial

[@Amplifymagic]

Long story short: they are replacement characters, fill-ins. Present Trunks will never live up to Future Trunks, and Goten was just a Goku clone and a child stand-in when Gohan grew up post Cell timeskip.

[@UnwantedGhost1]

Unfortunately true.

[@gunnersports6462]

They aren't weak, they are weak to current villains. But for their age they are far stronger than SsJ future trunks, SsJ Vegeta, SsJ Goku..etc From the cell saga. Based on their fight vs cell Jr, where they are taken on several cell jr's at once. Not to mention 18 worried to fight them and her look by present trunks Going nice against her with his attack. The kids knew she was stronger than their parents in the past, yet, they still didn't want to fired a strong blast against her.

[@Eric6761]

Yes i agree with that statment however that's a issue, because if they are that way How can they improve?

[@UnwantedGhost1]

How's this any much better? 😂

[@imsusanov2287]

In current arc, they are like 17 years old and gohan was 11 when he achieved ssj2

[@maniacslap1623]

Gohan was actually like 9 when he reached ss2 but time chamber aged him. He’s around 16 in the Buu Saga. Goten and Trunks aren’t close lmao also I think 18 was more surprised than worried. She had no reason to believe she was fighting someone capable of that kinda power. She would easily cook them boys. They’re realistically around Namek level Vegeta or Piccolo. Prior to the tournament they had no real combat experience. They fought 18 well due to speed not strength. Same reason Trunks was able to pop Vegeta in the face lol them little fukkers fast. Don’t come for my wifey 18

[@majidoujaa5592]

Imagine if they took the lead like Gon and Killua after the buu saga

[@magyamch]

I'm just glad you are not a part of that Seth shyt . I have been following you for years . Keep up the great work, bro love you

[@QaamansLand]

I made a video about it. Did you see?

[@magyamch]

@QaamansLand yes I did I pretty much watched everyone video

[@magyamch]

@QaamansLand you, geekdom, and unrealgaming are at the top of everything that kept me on youtube

[@xyzman123]

@@QaamansLand Can you please make a poll pitting Goten & Trunks against, like, Puar and Oolong, or other Saiyans like Pan and Bulla? I need these boys to have a winning chance at least for ONCE! 😅

[@xyzman123]

@@QaamansLand C'mon, I know their failures as characters... But can you at least admit they looked cute as kids? Then again, I gotta realize Dragon Ball isn't about things being cute. It's about how strong guys are and how much development they get. And besides, Gon and Killua from HxH are a better example of a kid fighting duo.

[@unknownsavagery4015]

They just haven't done enough cool stuff as characters

[@firstname3343]

Trunks and Goten being knock off Saiya-Men now isn't gonna help take them out of the shadow of Gohan

[@QaamansLand]

You made such a good point that I wish I thought of this for the video

[@somberthunder8908]

In the current story I rather see what Goten is up to over trunks and its mostly because I dont like the storyline about trunks and mai

[@Desmuu]

Goten could in theory hook up with a universe 6 saiyan someday and their kid would be the first ever quarter-human saiyan, how strong would they be? We have theories about what the dilution of the saiyan genes can do, but what about the dilution of the human gene?

[@kujoova]

It’s not too late to develop them though. The filler arc could give them distinct personalities, nice character development, unique characteristics. Like what they did in Super Hero, they can put Goku and Vegeta and even Gohan out of commission, to be able to have them fight. The perfect situation would be Goku and Vegeta training Broly to control his power, having segments of that just like the movie, which would also give Broly some character development and cool character interactions. Additionally, Goku and Vegeta could start training them. As Beast Gohan is likely an exclusive form, maybe training them and giving them god ki could have them unlock new forms of their own, that are powerful and put them on par with the main cast.

[@dominiquerobinson8888]

That would never happen lol. The movie could do what they did with Piccolo and Gohan because they have a far more established history. And Gohan actually has the proper build up for his potential. Goten and Trunks weren’t created for that role. And that’s shown with this current manga arc being more geared to comedy

[@supesisfodder7427]

@@dominiquerobinson8888no just stop

[@dominiquerobinson8888]

@@supesisfodder7427 It’s been 30 years and all they’ve been used for is comedy lol. I don’t know why y’all acting so blind

[@User_Call_Me_Chaudary]

I respect gohan he give them chance to fight super buu with fusion but all they do is fuse and got absorbed by super buu bcz vegeta was in hell goku was in otherworld they easily defeat super buu while ultimate gohan watching but their ego is same as vegeta and because of them earth and every one on lookout is gone thats why goku and vegeta doesn’t give them another chance like top or any other arc they only cause problem for them just like they cause buutenks to gohan

[@JayrodM12]

I promise I did not vote goten to spite anyone. I agree that goten has no character, he is a shell of a character that genuinely could have been really cool. I voted goten because I still feel like he could become something cool. (As unlikely as it is) but I still have some hope for him

[@Jay-ob9np]

Facts I couldn’t agree more!

[@fjod1689]

Not even little time to be trained by their parents for a little bit and not even a single power up, while Picoro and Gohan get their third power up out of nowhere.

[@Lurkai]

It’s likely a slow build to a new power up for present trunks and goten, but the manga really takes its time now Especially after recent events 🕊️ I don’t doubt we will see more from goten as well as trunks, but it’s up to the author to do that

[@MelloWyatt]

Goten and Trunks fight in the tournament was one of my favorites in the series. But yeah at this point with all the power creep they’ve been left on the back burner for too long to be relevant to the actual plot.

[@stormer1446]

Qaaman has been giving hot takes lately

[@dychrisshandonsmith1242]

Keep it up on your work and this video and channel I ❤️ this video and channel Thanks you for your video and channel I ❤️ Dragon ball all franchise Love yourself first and most Believe in yourself Quitters never win and winners never quit Don't give up and never give in Ignore those who try to discourage you Hang on to your dreams Take care of yourself Take control of own destiny Keep moving forward Stand up for yourself Stand tall and be brave Stay strong Speak up for yourself Act of kindness people Stay positive

[@kamalvelmurugan4875]

Qaaman dropping another banger 🔥

[@omenafro]

It's funny coming back every week to watch Qaaman bash Goten and Trunks constantly 😂

[@thelegendarymarioman8461]

Hes running out of idea

[@supesisfodder7427]

@@thelegendarymarioman8461true

[@winterburden]

Qaaman here today! 🤩

[@Sjono]

4:43 Goten went from being a Goku clone to be a Yamcha clone So much development

[@thelegendarymarioman8461]

You know for "failed characters" you sure are milking the hell out of them lately

[@QaamansLand]

Because it's their arc?

[@Hokage-kakashi]

I understand why gt didn't develop Goten and trunks but super could have sent Goten to another universe like universe 6 kill two birds with one stone and have his personality and outfit change as well has give him his tail back also some moves of his own to make him stand out more instead of just changing his hair they could have left it the same but change up the importance part and give him ssj4 also have trunks train along side Gohan and give him some of his future selfs moves as well as a sword

[@mdxque8393]

Goten and Trunks meeting Caulifla, Kale and Cabba would be fun.

[@kingk1rby484]

AY THATS ME

[@insanemakaioshin]

I want a story arc where they learn to function w/o each other. They travel to different parts of the planet to get an education, in both martial arts, academics & more. Ex. Goten trains under Tien & Yajirobe since he already knows the Kamehameha, while Trunks trains under Krillin & Yamcha, due to their ties with Bulma & his future self, via 18, respectively. It ends with them clashing as swordsmen & Martial artists, with both using technology enhanced Ki technique & magic.

[@anitashrees6511]

This is the worst and ugly truth about dragon Ball

[@Mows53]

I think a cool idea that would help Goten and Trunks would be having them join Goku and Vegeta to Universe 6, it would give Goten and Trunks to possibly train with people more their level and give a reason to boost them up a little

[@Mows53]

But I think they need to separate Goten and Trunks for a bit to build their characters

[@DenniDownBad]

I understand that Future Gohan was just a plot point for Future Trunks' development but he's still my favorite Saiyan, ESPECIALLY over his present counterpart

[@altanthomas2ndchannel566]

With Bardock around, they would be a lot stronger.

[@Mais_Simp]

Next time Chiaotzu vs Launch? 🤣 Or perhaps Tien vs Yamcha 😂 Oh yeah couldn't there be oolong vs puar

[@brad2881]

What is holding Goten and Trunks back the most is their unlikable personalities. Trunks is nothing but a spoiled brat and Goten is a whiney moron. Putting them together brings out the worst in both of them but, as you pointed out, they are too weak to do anything on their own. They should have sent present Trunks off with Future Mai and kept the franchise’s best character in the present

[@jamarjohnson9759]

I think the only way for these two to shine is to have it similar to the android future trunks is from where they're the strongest of the last surviving from some bigger threat but that would take making them the main characters which Ik would never happen

[@DaniG._.German]

Honestly, it all went down hill when they brought back Goku in the Buu saga. There's nothing for Gohan to do, and Ssj3 Gotenks is weaker than Krillin training for TOP. Had Goku stayed dead, Gohan and Vegeta would have to stop Buu. Vegeta could become Goten's mentor just as Piccolo was for Gohan. And Gohan would mentor Trunks because he befriended original timeline Trunks. I'm not a writer, but that's how I would have gone about it.

[@mr.patriotjol]

Stop The Count! This was Rigged! :P

[@mechajay3358]

At least with Present Trunks, there's a reason for him to exist, and they tried giving him stuff to do. But with Goten, he barely does anything in major fights, has nothing that makes him stand out and is basically a sidekick to his antics with Trunks, it makes you wonder why Toriyama even bother creating him since he has nothing to offer as a character.

[@user-ir9bj3so3r]

When you're set up for failure....

[@splatcactus4905]

Man I was so disappointed when they weren’t in the tournament of power. It would have been so cool to see all the Saiyans fighting together but they had to use the 17 island monster cop out? Aren’t the cell juniors already handling the island?

[@Unpopular_Duality.]

At first when I saw the poll I did want to vote goten to spite Qaaman but I chose present trunks because I thought of the junior tournament they had together and wanted to see if those two if given the choice to take over for their fathers would they do it or not. I have always felt that the cast needed to permanently die off eventually so goten and trunks can grow into good characters and take the mantle of the franchise over from goku and vegeta. That would be the only way that would work out for those two. If they are just content with keeping them as filler or comedy characters ok I guess... But I was hoping to see more from those two.

[@nycholasrandolph9780]

I didn’t even see the comment about spite until now

[@rockmanfan5104]

I really liked both of them in the newest chapter ...

[@Chris-th5fl]

that is part of the reason why i like gt as they atleast tried to put some character into both of them. if gt was longer i did wish they would have better fights.

[@kokroughtoss1257]

I agree. They're the two hybrid saiyan characters I have the least amount of interest in.

[@cereal9879]

Ain't no going back on this shit💀

[@TheoneStanband]

I loved trunks and goten in the buu arc, I wish we would have got more of that in super before the two grow up.

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

You know that was kind of crazy, you lost me but I got it. I'm gonna show this to all of my friends that can't read now.

[@QaamansLand]

I lost you where though? Explain

[@MysticMylesZ]

Sad because they have some of the most interesting techniques. They are always so fun in the games.

[@fjod1689]

Another proof that Toiuyama and Toyotaro arent as good writers as many believe, I thought they couldnt surpass what they did with future Trunks in the Black Goku saga, but i was wrong, the DB Super Super Hero movie and manga was way worse

[@kazi1]

Yo

[@imsusanov2287]

Toriyama got tired as hell of DB since Cell saga, and it shows in Majin saga But money got better of him, that is why we see trash like DBS

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

0"55 Well I do like playing Goten in the video games but maybe that doesn't count here.

[@godtuberzamasu9817]

There not failed Characters people just don't notice them as much as the bigger characters

[@Renaldjacques-rl1ki]

I hate the fact that there always fusing sure I wanna see adult gotenks but I want them to be independent

[@paulocuento9949]

Trunks and Goten coulve been the evolution of the saiyan duo tandem like Goku and Vegeta was. First, they were fighting S Class villains since childhood, and learned SSJ and Fusion much earlier. What i feel was missing about them was an established "Frenemy" angle... it couldve been introduced in the Goku Black Arc.. to which, they couldve just made Goku black Goten instead. where Future Trunks would be fighting his childhood friend and have the dillema of killing him to save the future... Its no different than Vegeta turing to Majin Vegeta and Baby Vegeta There was also one movie (yes, i know its non-canon), that explored Kid Trunks getting his Sword and also gave him some sort of maturity over matters.. this couldve been a great way to transition trunks from being the overconfident brat to one of the most matured characters in the franchise. not to mention having the potential of Gohan training kid trunks with the Kai's and establishing the Zamasu rivalry early on Goten adventure could also be with Cheelai and Broly. much like how Goku was with Bulma and Yamcha.

[@jahnaviketha6300]

Um.. Future Trunks never met goten and has no connection to him...

[@paulocuento9949]

@@jahnaviketha6300 umm, its a what if scenario.. ummm

[@SuperiorStudios]

I only like Goten as much as I did because he dressed like goku with long sleeves and I like long sleeves 🤷

[@doppiovinegaro3525]

2:16 nah i doubt. his potential unleashed form just boosted him higher because he had more potential than goku as well as he had been trained under kais. the whole meaning of pu is to go beyond your power and destroy potential limit. as for start gohan got 500x boost

[@clericofchaos1]

Yep, failed characters. Let's not waste any more time or thought on them...Time to bring back Uub!...and maybe Mercenary Tao as a real threat this time!

[@QaamansLand]

What are you being so strict?

[@clericofchaos1]

@@QaamansLand Not strict, just excited at the idea of getting Uub back...and Mercenary Tao if they can do it in a cool way...I'd also be fine with Android Blue. Just something new and old in the mix to shake things up a bit.

[@User_Call_Me_Chaudary]

People say gohan is just like them difference When goten see his mom was killed he just stand their crying Trunks present when he see gohan got energy drain but he dont know why he just stand their like why our dads not helping him Future trunks he see future bulma was killed by the hands of zamasu goku black he just ran away And gohan see any good person any one he is close any z fighter family friend hurt gohan dont listen to anyone he just beat the crap who did it ex frieza cell radits nappa and even frieza final form that can rival goku ss1 So difference is this Honarable mention When frieza beat up vegeta gohan knows he dont have power but still want to help vegeta but piccolo and krilin stop him And thats why vegeta only respect gohan other goku saiyan

[@ChroniclerOfJudah]

Worst than Gohan, unbelievable.

[@Reed325]

Goten even says it to piccolo in the buu saga lol "if I was Gohan you'd let me go"😂 poor fella

[@roxtechs]

They were fine in the Buu saga but post it they are about as useful as Yamcha. Heck Yamcha at least a good episode to shine in.

[@TrueReverse74]

You aren't wrong Qaaman, but regardless, I still believe in their potential. The main problem is that creativity is dying breed over there and can't utilize what they can bring to the table that's unique. I'm not saying I like the both of them for a particularly special reason other than their personalities. It's unfortunate that my belief has only been satisfied by fan mangas, like with the human characters, but they just speak to how much is left within them. I'm always rooting for them. These 2 founded a sword school together, I wanna see them on their journeys to mastering the 2 types of swordsmanship they learned. How did they disciplined themselves to master it? How did they learn? Dragon ball deliverance gives them great characterization, among other mangas like the one where Gohan lost to cell and Goten took up the mantle for earth's protector. So no matter how insulted, disrespected and wasted these 2 become, I'll still believe in them.

[@gracenkosi5058]

I really want Goten and trunks to train on Beerus planet

[@alexmark6580]

Fusion is a final trump card goku and vegeta have against enemies that are far too strong. Goten and Trunks fuse like it’s just another tuesday.

[@negano5654]

This arc only had two chapters so far and everyone thinks Goten, Trunks are failed characters? A bigger reach than Goten turning Super Saiyan without training.

[@windows98alpha35]

Trunk, Goten, and Yamcha are all victims of Akira’s lack of vision and foresight.

[@josephharden5592]

They've been on for decades and is going to be on for more decades after that... They have time to come into their own

[@lunarnature412]

Goten all day. He'll be a cooler more powerful goku.

[@quez2x]

They should have them go with galactic patrol

[@eskimo1000]

R.i.p future gohan ❤️

[@LeganZepelli]

Siete Palabras; ESENCIA

[@Eric6761]

Cool but almost no one would get

[@thejack5952]

Because the writers are forced to give these characters barely any spot light. That's why we'll never see character development in Goten or Trunks.

[@BM-sg1sl]

Dragon ball deliverance #4 is the only place goten/trunks were done any justice. So much depth

[@Eric6761]

What is this? Could you please tell me?

[@BM-sg1sl]

@@Eric6761 several fans created their own production company and put out this fan series that’s gotten a lot of praise, it takes place after GT. The quality is superior to the Toei corp and just puts in perspective the lack of creativity the content Toei has put out.

[@shivendra3019]

Yamcha is way better than Goten and Trunks in character development.

[@fymobrolo]

I don’t think it’s over for them. Before the movie last summer everyone thought Gohan was a failed character too

[@reptilian_geneticist]

Goten and present Trunks were failed characters from the beginning... They were never meant to evolve as characters because Dragonball was supposed to end after buu saga and we were never meant to see any development from them.... Present Trunks only exists because future Trunks exists... And Goten only exists because Goku was gone...

[@valmanway1844]

How was future trunks from z beat

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

present trunks and goten as of now are just too mid to care about... Don't get me started on the Gotenks fusion 😭😭😭

[@CreamerOfTheDairySquad]

Yes kid Goten and kid Trunks are failed characters but after the recent age up I'm holding out for them

[@somberthunder8908]

Qaaman im really loving these videos you dropping lately

[@QaamansLand]

Reason?

[@somberthunder8908]

@@QaamansLand feels like you're just speaking your mind while we chilling in this odd era of dbs

[@somberthunder8908]

And no one talks Dragonball like you

[@Youtube4Life-1]

Trust me bro. When they become the main characters, they gonna shock you guys.

[@leonardbarnes2221]

I certainly don't hate them. I'm actually hoping they get some love in this series...

[@sonicvergil1]

I love trunks and Goten! They bring their own unique style to the series. They are the best friend duo and they were meant to connect with children watching dbz. One goku grown up that’s y they made Gohan (for a new generation to connect with). Then Gohan grow up so enters Goten and trunks. I do wish they were in the tournament of power but whatever. Also in terms of fusion being a handicap, I disagree on that. This gives them the ability to unlock so many first nd truly make it their own

[@Lupo32]

They didn't have to grow up fast Like gohan did and they already had Ssj unlocked due to goku and vegeta having it when they were conceived With chi chi and bulma retrospectively.

[@mrtn3rd]

I think there needs to be a separation between super and Z ....

[@darlvader1652]

I guess in the next chapter goten gona shine a bit He deserve it more then trunks

[@TheMrChurbro]

Goten and Trunks are kinda lame but when they fuse together there kinda dope

[@gamerookie09]

This is just my opinion, but I truly believed the Buu arc should have ended with Goten and Trunks defeating Buu. Goku & Vegeta would stay dead while the next generation takes over completely.