Why Ugin's Labyrinth Is Better Than You Think | MH3 Spoilers Discussion

Y'all are underplaying the power of this card too much, lets talk about it...
#mtg #magicthegathering #spoiler #modern #reaction
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Introduction
1:59 - Comparisons & Legacy
6:24 - What Can You Exile?
8:20 - Reuse Imprint
8:55 - Abuse The Mana
10:57 - Closing Thoughts
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[@aenubiis]

A lot of them are busted tho, we're drowning in busted cards for the spoilers

[@Itachi__Uchiha]

I think this card is gonna be good in exactly one deck. That deck being Eldrazi Tron/stompy. Running Ugin's Labyrinth and Eldrazi Temple together is gonna be disgusting. However the line of turn two KTGC and TOR is starting to get into magical Christmas land for me. The only reason I am downplaying this card in mono red prison strategies and goblins is where are you fitting in the cards to exile for this land. This card is gonna be strong but its gonna be strong in a very specific deck. I do agree turn one Chalice of the Void on one is disgusting and if its consistent enough could be considered for banning. I do also want to mention this card fights with the Tron strategy. It takes away a land drop causing you to hit the 7 mana mark later causing you to lose mana in the long run.

[@cptbamboo2217]

u can pitch scion of drako to it

[@moshladaan]

I think most people immediately thought "OMG Karn on turn two!" and with good reason. It is nice that if you imprint a 7 mana artifact, Karn can also fetch it back, just in case. P.S. - I actually think Chalice would get banned before Ugin's Labyrinth. Mainly because banning this new land would cheapen there own set. And unless I am missing something, Ugin's Lab is more restricted and less powerful overall.

[@hadesbox]

And affinity?

[@RGCDTB]

Dont forget how easy it is to play chalice on 1 now

[@ItaliansShredsBetter]

the people saying ugin's labyrinth isn't busted are the same people that think urzatron is better than cloudpost.

[@andrewamann2821]

With the recent spoilers for tron, it might be, but only because you can run a pure Urzatron manabase now. That said, this land is cracked clean in half.

[@daltonbrasier5491]

​@@andrewamann2821 How can you run a pure urzatron land base?

[@andrewamann2821]

@@daltonbrasier5491 correction... Urza's Workshop is only legal in EDH and Vintage... Oops... Thought that had a printing outside of commander product.

[@shadowfox513]

This card embodies what they're trying to go for in modern horizons 3, that being "powerful, but narrow". This card is incredible in the decks that can run it, but i don't think it's gonna be the next modern staple. Not like it wins the game by itself, unlike a certain saga land. Honestly, there's an argument that this might not go in affinity, cause the artifact lands often function as sol lands (giving mana and reducing cost) with no imprint restriction.

[@zacharydooling2990]

Turn 1 Chalice is back! That old Colorless eldrazi aggro deck is back in a big way!

[@ecpracticesquad4674]

Labyrinth is going in tron, affinity, and probably some version of Eldrazi. It’s not just pitching a card to get the soul land. It has to be 7 cmc. Not a lot of deck can afford to even run enough 7+ drops to have density that lets exile consistently. You are going a little off the deep end with this. Chalice on 1 is the most likely thing that’ll happen, if that.

[@storeblaa]

Well the reason I downplay this is because we dont work with magic christmas land hands, saying u having 2 useless 7 drops 2 Labyrinth and a karn or ring is the epitemy of magic christmas land, im not saying its not going to be good! Of course it is, but I think you are panicking a wee bit too much on this one. It will have real deck restrictions, it will be really good in the decks where those restrictions are met, but they are not many + there are tons of land answers in Modern

[@markusbetts]

Yeah calling this “unrestricted” is wild to me, it’s heavily restricted and the idea that you have this land + 7 drop + perfect 2 drop sideboard answer card is not going to happen that often

[@thegrimmone6111]

As someone who's played a lot of Sol lands in legacy if it enters untapped it's amazing. Doesn't sac like City of Traitors, hurt like Ancient Tomb, or limited to Eldrazi.

[@arjunheart5859]

We've had eldrazi winter and Hogaak Summer. Now it's time for Eldrazi Summer...

[@StalfoHunter]

IMO the biggest thing you didn't mention is turn one saga turn 2 construct.

[@Noxeas]

was about to write exactly the same comment xD

[@earlgammad8846]

You ain't wrong

[@ebbandfloatzel]

The card will see play because of the softened "miss" and not really because of the highs it can hit. The fact it can also just default as a one mana land is the real selling point for the card.

[@Interrobang212]

Yeah let's just give tron an ancient tomb with no downside. What could go wrong? 🤣

[@marcogoncalves3207]

Having to play a bunch of 7 cmc cards to make it playable is a huge downside.

[@KungFuIsland]

@@marcogoncalves3207 sooo...doing that thing that Tron already does?

[@BingeThinker1814]

People side in land destruction for the matchup, and get card advantage from targeting Urza's Cave, and leaving something exiled?

[@Aaackermann]

@@BingeThinker1814 Yeah, already loading up my Boseiju!

[@toaster4598]

@@KungFuIslandits mostly KGC and the ring nowadays

[@WitherFang]

I for one look so forward to this land! :D

[@0527drew0527]

I would love to see this on Legacy Mississippi River

[@nuparuchi]

I think another thing to think about doing with it is activating urza's saga on t2. In legacy t1 urza's saga t2 sol land is an extremely powerful way to churn out constructs and I think that that type of thing is one of the major things this card will be facilitating. That being said I'm not panicked yet. I think a cmc>=7 colorless spell is more of a cost than it seems (definitely the dream hands can work and I even think we'll see those, I think it's largely a deckbuilding cost. If you aren't playing simulacrum synthesizer, myr enforcer is pretty bad). And also the main decks that will be playing this will be artifact decks and they have to worry about meltdown now which is incredible against all their 0's and 1's

[@joshuatran6526]

At the end of the day, it’s still a two card combo that you need to run a critical mass of high CMC colorless spells which are early game bricks usually.

[@eotkavle5712]

I may have a colorless modern prison deck that uses knowledge pool and soulless jailer. It also may use prototype portal and jesters scepter as an alternate wincon.

[@Volvary]

The most important one I think is going to be Chalice on 1, since it just runs some decks out of the game pretty rapidly if you are on the draw. Scam and DRC hurts, yes. Burn is out, Affinity also hurts since they can't play their drums, none of the 1 mana Urza's Saga targets can be played, Pithing Needle is stopped in game 2/3, Hardened Scales is stuck in hand, etc. (I'm especially happy that it blocks the stupid monkey)

[@Enja_Near]

Affinity: T1 chalice T2 synth? Yes plz.

[@164Emogirl]

Also an upside in modern is that the exile can happen turn 1 so hides cards from grief and thought sieze and can get them back when ur able to cast

[@whitetigerfire1]

I think its more the fact, while this card is op, there have been so many other leaks that those kinda outshined this one. They arent seeing this as a possibly manacrypt/sol ring on turn one

[@macromite3758]

I am seeing a land that taps for 1 mana because I don't have a colorless 7 drop in my hand in the decks where I really want a turn 1 mana crypt or sol ring. Like what am I running that I can exile? Karn Liberated? there are already so many different lands I need to be running in tron and I am more worried about colors. Myr Enforcer? Artifact lands are strictly better for affinity, and there is no shortage of options. am I using an emrakul as a control wincon? I'm probably not even running a playset of viable targets. Like where is this card going? I can't see it. maybe I'm just blind, but nothing I can think of makes it work well.

[@user-fq2jv3ds7h]

Just to note It loses the two mana ability if you return the imprinted card to hand I'm sure it will see modern play.

[@markpledger3398]

I did notice this while you were describing what the card does, but nothing in the game actually generates generic mana anymore, even if the card's text says to generate generic mana, it's been Oracle Texted to say the equivalent amount of colorless mana, you can check literally anything and this is the case!

[@wesleymitchell2460]

This card with Urza’s Saga is very, very good. It’ll allow for massive golems very early that are hasted via lava spur boots.

[@christopherpoet458]

As an EDH player, there are some things I like with this. Example, my Esper Urza deck runs Akromora's Memorial, Darksteel Forge, Mycosynth Lattice Only two of those can be valid targets for this land though. But Lattice could help given that it makes everything colorless. So, really, I probably do not want this turn 1. Turn 1 - Land > Sol Ring > Arcane Signiant > Enlightened Tutor (Fetching Forge or Memorial) (Any Line that allows me to Tutor on T1 works for setting up T2) Turn 2 - Ugin's Labyrinth (Exile the Fetch) (6 Mana Available Untapped) But that is requiring a minimum of Tutor and Labyrinth in my hand Turn 1 to function with a white mana source in a 3 color deck. That may be asking for a lot. In fact I do not see a line of play where I want this turn 1. Even if I opened my hand with Labyrinth and say Forge or Memorial, how far can it get me? Labyrinth > Sol Ring (1C Flote) > Arcane Signiant (1C Float) > Thought Vessel? That opens turn two with 5 Colorless and 1 Color of my choice. Not the worst. That is a turn 2 Lattice. Potentially. I am not running Eldrazi Temple because that is useless for my deck. Lattice Turn 2 is probably my best outcome here.

[@RGCDTB]

This card is now the chalice card every chalice deck wants this now

[@double2254]

With an active Ugin labyrinth and leyline of the Guildpact you can get a turn 1 scion of Draco, and scion can be used to imprint onto the labyrinth so even the 5c decks are homes for this whole also removing the single downside this has in being a colorless land without the imprint

[@Volvary]

What else can that deck exile under the Labyrinth though? If it's just Scion, then you need 2 scion in hand to make the play work

[@K4HLER]

Eldrazi Summer ☀️

[@halvsketchy9293]

This with the new emrakul in tron modern was the one thing i thought would be super busted

[@NinjaFrog65]

I think the 7 or more colorless is actually a very real limitation. It means that you need to either already be playing cards of those specifications or be comfortable adjusting your deck to include enough of them to fire consistently get this effect off. As of right now, that is not really the case. So I think currently the only deck where this sees play is Normal Tron. But to be clear, I think this card is still quite good.

[@riku2193]

Wait people think that this card isn't busted? Anyone ever hear how busted the sol lands are?

[@larsegholmfischmann6594]

From the currently spoiled cards, I think "Flare of Denial" will be much more format warping than this since it's much easier to include in a larger amount of decks. Not just Merfolk, but any deck that runs blue creatures.

[@aenubiis]

Also Urza's cave is quite insane for dark depth enjoyers regarless of the format

[@Amardarial]

It's good in a few decks as a 1-2 of, Tron, Amulet Titan, Lands.dec, etc

[@henryhughes9433]

this is the only card so far that ive seen that makes me quiver in fear. And it was pretty much immediately after seeing this card, I thought that. The rest of the set seems really well designed and for the most part balanced with trade off and the flair cycle so far (in a vacuum) seems like the best free spell cycle we've gotten so for in modern. the rest of them are powerful card but they need to be build around which is what I really like so far about everything spoiled so far, then dont just slot into everything like a good amount of mh2 cards did. But im amazed this card is being printed and I genuinely fear this card.

[@andyblakeley4575]

I can see this being the reason land destruction gets sideboarded more. Destroy a land and they lose the 7+ mana imprinted card.

[@RuneRaged]

Ugin's Lab will fit nicely in my Big Bois edh deck

[@drkatz1192]

Love your content. This card is obviously broken - probably has an expiration date - but we’ll see!

[@RGCDTB]

Aspiring spike already play tested this card on his channel kozeleks command looks incredible i want to see eldrazi tron with urzas saga that idea looks like gas chalice on 1 turn 2 urza's saga turn 3 karn ring etc. Sounds incredible but they printed this card while also printing more mono white death and taxes as well as the blue magus which will keep this strategy in check back to basics would've been a great addition to this set too seeing as mono color decks are running 4 basics i think we should incentivize basic lands again these expensive prison effects aren't good enough imo they need to reprint bloodmoon on 1 mana and make 1 for each color so people stop making expensive mana bases add wasteland and rishadan port too just get rid of these nonbasics i wish nonbasics were banned so you were forced to get 4 colors the old fashioned way by using green to fix ur colors or artifacts like the one that got banned in mh2 instead of burn running sunbaked canyon fetch lands and spell lands. Force the game back to basics

[@allan1448]

Well in the end we will see what Eldrazi Winter will bring us. I like it until now and I am looking forward for more. Can it be that we will get a Eldrazi Crab...of course Landfall is not a theme but they made the Mulldrifter to an Eldrazi Envoke-(Null)-Drifter or an Eldrazi Mill creature...okay I am probably wishing to much...or I am?🤔

[@liammelville8704]

I will Knowledge pool was the first card that came to mind for imprint, but in my defense it was the first imprint card I saw with a big effect. But it's my favorite/least favorite card. I think it is hilarious but not worth the disruption it causes without everyone first being ok with it.

[@gpLOCKDOWN]

It's functionally the same as simian spirit guide AND ancient tomb when eldrazi shredded the modern format.

[@haydarnoel8467]

Yeah cause what modern really needed with ancient tomb. Tron goes brrrrr

[@HiRoSaToMa]

As a victim of it in extended, when you say imprint I think of scepter chant.

[@Banana-senpai]

1:23 for the record, wizards made an effort to differentiate between colorless and generic for clarity reasons: Generic was ALWAYS cost type, never a mana type. Old lands that produced colorless mana used numbers in grey circles. They all got errata'd to colorless symbols. In fact, for example, utility lands producing "1 generic" actually never produced "generic" and this is just a common misconception.

[@jeffbriem]

The eldrazi spoilers are absolutely insane.

[@Xhadp]

I think we are putting too much weight on the imprint. Yes it has an imprint but I don't think that should automatically mean it gets compared to other imprint cards. But rather should be compared to similar cards instead regardless of if it has the imprint keyword or not. The seven cost requirement is going to be more than doable if you are playing this in the right deck. Put a second copy of a card in your hand under the imprint and you're golden. Being a land means that it is less susceptible to removal/Counterspells compared to other additive mana engines that are artifacts or such. And the last thing and what I think truly pushes it over the edge is that it is still a Wastes. If Wizards really wanted to show at least some sort of restraint with this land they would've 100% let it enter the battlefield tapped which is a blanket effect that this card somehow gets to escape? Not being legendary I can understand but letting it enter untapped is nuts.

[@bgcno2]

Ah, Knowledge Pool. Fun times throwing this down with OG Teferi on board and locking up everyone else's game

[@Erweenie]

10:15 rip Harambe!

[@shinigami_0127]

So this is what people mean by Suffering from success huh?

[@Zakading]

I hate that this is going to be so fucking expensive because I'll HAVE to get this for my colorless Eldrazi edh

[@ruelzsantanaAoE]

Who knows the whole math for this card on curve? How many 7+ cmc cards will you need to run for this to produce 2 Mana on turn one and so on and so forth? I think we need to start the discussion there

[@oscarshedwick4862]

I think for artefact decks, affinity, tron ect, it might be a worthy cost to add in some more 7cmc spells to make it work. I don't see it being splashable in other decks that were not already ruining 7cmc spells because it will need to be a big commitment. 4 lands would need at least 10 7+cmc spells for every one in three hands to have one of both.

[@ruelzsantanaAoE]

@@oscarshedwick4862 does Affinity really want to "ramp" that isn't an artifact? I know this card wouldn't be splashable, but even in Tron, what would be the math on this card's viability in making 2 Mana on turn 1. I think the 7+ CMC restriction might be a bit steep. I could 1000% be wrong though.

[@KungFuIsland]

@@oscarshedwick4862 This is not playable in Affinity. Sojourner's Companion is the only card you can pitch to the land that is still run the deck. You could ad Enforcer, which would bring you up to 8, but this only counts colorless creatures, so Thought Monitor does not work. Tron and maybe UR Eldrazi (w/Nulldrifter and Elder Deep Fiend) are the builds for this.

[@dracomasters9039]

They don’t want to reprint the reserve list, so in the near future Legacy will be the new Vintage, Modern will be the new Legacy and Pioneer will be the new Modern. Vintage will be a collector only format. This is the way to make power creep without upsetting your player base.

[@XJBG1001X]

Portal to Phyrexia is a pretty good card to pitch to the land

[@ruilla87]

Eldrazi Tron rules

[@Volvary]

The fact that the main prison deck in Legacy is Mono-Red will always make me laugh

[@gnkstudios6138]

No one is talking about the fact you can protect the imprinted card from t1 grief lol that’s actually a huge upside not even close to a downside

[@sharlockshacolmes9381]

Shhhhh don't tell them let me buy them for cheap before they realise

[@RGCDTB]

Knowledge pool + chad dranith magistrate

[@matthewmchugh6662]

My biggest issue with this is that it's not a legendary land. You could have multiples out at the same time so gross so bannable

[@Mekmassimochannel]

Is this gonns be the fateful return of Myr Enforcer?

[@baconsir1159]

How many 7+ CMC colorless cards are you running my guy

[@NinjaFrog65]

Ya, that’s the big question I don’t see a lot of people asking.

[@daltonbrasier5491]

Tron can run quite a few with the new devour of destiny.

[@baconsir1159]

@@daltonbrasier5491 Does Tron usually struggle for colorless mana? Using the land drop for a non-tron land seems like a significant downside

[@Vaasth]

also this mitigates the downside of urza's saga on turn one, you play this turn two and just flood the board with constructs immediately

[@checkthenutz]

0:11 The fact that full grown adults get exasperated about card board game pieces never ceases to amaze me. Frankly I enjoy both the over powered cards and the pearl clutching and gasping every time Rosewater farts. It is broken af tho. Makes Oko look fair. 3:05 I’ve never seen this before but it’s going into bruvac and lord high artificer. 3:20 RULE OF LAWL

[@oscarshedwick4862]

At worst it's a land at best it's a Sol ring as a land. I don't think this card will be a big flashy format warping card but it will be a subtle shift over time that in hindsight we will go "wow that was the most powerful card in MH3"

[@oscarshedwick4862]

But I could also see it being a big flop since running enough 7cmc colourless spells to make this a reliable activation is risky. If you run 4 Ugin lands then how many spells do you run? since they have to be 7+cmc and colourless so Eldrazi maybe? even then the big colourless spells never hit me as amazing that I would run them in a deck where that wasn't the sole focus.

[@8Blackmamba81]

Just running potential decks through he hypergeometric hand calculator. The odds of turn 2 Karn or The One Ring are less than 0.5%. You are removing 4 green/colored sources to make room for this card so no ancient stirrings etc. i.e you are making your deck much worse overall. This card has high potential for the future if more cards like Nulldrifter are printed but as of now this card is not broken. In affinity you are playing a not artifact land so you wont get free spells online turn 1 and you are delaying your free 4/4 by at least a turn by requiring that you tap the Ugin's labyrinth to get it back which also isn't an artifact so you are effectively wasting 1c mana and an artifact for the idea of a disneyland hand.

[@adrunkcaliburn457]

Why is no one mentioning domain with this card? It allows for a t1 scion of Draco.

[@daltonbrasier5491]

Draco is the only colorless 7+drop in the deck though isn't it?

[@joshua_lee732]

Of course Tron is gonna play this

[@mrtuber132]

I see a lot of talk in the comments about 7cmc being too restrictive. Theres going to be new artifact decks using sojourners companion and silly cards no one plays. Hands down. Might not be goos though

[@bgcno2]

I believe the best deck this slots into is eldrazi tron

[@justinmorgan1362]

Yess im a evil player

[@mcolby7214]

This requires more setup than a utopia sprawl and nobody is freaking out about that. This is not as consistent turn one, two untapped mana, especially when archetypes like scam are around and comparing it to an ancient tomb is pretty overblown gotta say

[@hunterstrong3318]

As a grixis shadow player.... not happy to see faster mana for tron, a deck ive always struggled beating with the interaction in my mainboard. Anf this just hiding tron pay offs from my thoughtseizes...

[@AntonioSilva-gs6bg]

You should consider this card a companion. There are building restrictions imposed on using Ugin's Labyrinth. Considering this, the number of decks using this card is greatly reduced.

[@Amardarial]

Except like with Companions it turns out the restriction isn't really a restriction, and everyone just shoves it in anyways.

[@oscarshedwick4862]

@@Amardarial But not every deck will have 7+cmc spells or want 2 colourless mana turn one or in the early game. You have to run a lot of 7cmc spells to see them often with 4 of these lands. If ou draw your 7cmc spell early game that's a dead draw especially if you're adding it in just for 2 colourless mana at which point run sol rings or other mana rocks.

[@Amardarial]

@@oscarshedwick4862 Not sure your understanding, it's powerful enough that decks will change to play it, and decks that don't play it will be weaker then those who do.

[@storeblaa]

​​@@Amardarial i can just not agree with this, even guildpact were this a meme, and this messes even more with ur deck argueably

[@Drana3308]

Some people have said that the neo lands are better then this XD.

[@ElsePerson]

It still isn't great. It's an OKAY card, nothing outstanding since it's only usage is for the niche decks like Eldrazi. I think the imprint keyword kinda manipulates everyone's opinion of the card. Just because it has imprint, it's not close to those other imprint artifact cards. Now if it was a 0 cost artifact, then it would be without question a busted card.

[@hachi9404]

really dont like this card, the most defining trait of modern I enjoy is the board mattering a lot, and the lack of fast mana. and with pitch cards and this land, It feels more and more modern is going to lose its identity

[@aclevername7613]

This card is insanely op. There is no real cost! You can get the card back. If you lost the card you paid the imprint for the rest of the game then sure bit better design. As ti stands it is utterly stupid and ridiculous.

[@sc2fanterranplayer]

No is not busted card i will explain why in legacy is worse card than ancient tomb and in legacy is wasteland so you 2 for one is only usable in colourless deck you cant use it in initiative deck not in goblinns why cause they no consist of 7 colouress spells its very specific land that can only used in specific decks that and even in that decks is anciet tomb better , city of traitor dont need setup even drown back is worse in cloudpost deck this is not good cause they usally dont play anciet tomb this land is on crystal vein level card , goblins no play this they dont play colourless card of 7 mana cost in goblin is unplayable this land initiative also dont play 7 mana colourless cards .. and in modern it can be used in new sort of eldrazi deck instead of eye of ugin thats only deck i see is good now maybe in legacy eldratzi too but thats all..

[@Xoulrath_]

Blah, blah, blah...Urza's Saga...blah, blah, blah. It wasn't busted, nor is Ugin's Labyrinth. It's good in exactly one shell: Tron. It will probably be used for Eldrazi. It will do what it's supposed to do in bringing an Eldrazi Tron style deck back. But you're not just casually dropping this into Tron without adding a considerable number of 7 cost Colorless cards. It's literally easier to just dig for Tron. And why would you ever play this over a Tron land? Good card? Yes. Busted, broken, meta defining? No.

[@macromite3758]

The more I consider situations with this card the worse I think this card is. you are overhyping to heck.

[@Amardarial]

Meta Warping card, it will force decks to change how they are built to play it, while decks that already play this way just get better. Easily a ban watch card, with high chance of bans in Modern.

[@oscarshedwick4862]

Land destruction. It's a 2 for 1 then if you get them after they have tapped it for mana.

[@Amardarial]

@@oscarshedwick4862 "Dies to removal" is NOT enough, and shows how little you understand Magic.

[@storeblaa]

​@@Amardarial right cause u should just be able to play through things, like 2 ships passing?

[@Amardarial]

@@storeblaa This is nearly as bad of a comment. Yes, stuff dies to removal, doesn't actually mean anything.

[@storeblaa]

​@@Amardarialbut it does tho?

[@Hapkins-le6xf]

Premature to call it busted. It's very good, too soon to say it's busted. You're thinking of this card in the context of the current meta and without actual play testing theorizing perfect hand draw scenarios.

[@Amardarial]

No, it's Meta Warping, the Meta is what this makes it, not the other way around. It's that powerful.

[@Hapkins-le6xf]

@Amardarial of course it's meta warping. What's wrong with that? That's not inherently busted, it just means there is a new kid on the block. Colorless decks are going to see a boost with this. If that increases the number of top tier decks, then that's awesome. If it simply rotates decks and the number of top decks stays the same, that's not great. If it dominates and reduces the number of top tier decks, that's really bad and busted. We don't know yet how this is going to shake out. Green tron probably won't run this very often, E tron will for sure.

[@mrskittles6486]

Yeah e tron get the chalic on 1 turn one no downside thank you wizards for bring eldrazi winter back this summer. Question who asked for tron to get support smh