Why VADER Lost to Obi-Wan in Episode 6 - My Analysis

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In episode 6 of Obi-Wan Kenobi, Vader and Obi-Wan fought and it wasn't a good outcome for Anakin Skywalker / Darth Vader. There are many reasons to this beyond just 'Obi-Wan was better' or "Vader is conflicted"
Let's discuss and breakdown the fight!
Vader says, anakin is gone, i am what remains. This is all so sad. Obi-Wan tells him i’m sorry Anakin, for all of it. Now this is where i feel the directing was really well done, as we see the reflection of blue and red on anakin’s face, showing his inner conflict between the light and dark, between anakin skywalker and darth vader.
Vader tells him he is not his failure, that obi-wan didn’t kill anakin skywalker, he, himself, did. And I will destroy you, As he looks sadistic and psychotic. You can tell Vader is consumed by hatred, Anakin is still there, but he’s twisted and turned by the dark side.
Vader speaks to the Emperor, Palpatine senses his conflict, and questions if his thoughts on this matter are clear, his agitation is all too evident. He says the answer to Vader’s loss, Sidious says, perhaps your feelings for your old master have you weakened. Vader sits up straight, and says Kenobi means nothing, I serve only you, master. cue imperial march, finally. This is still Vader still learning, he’s still figuring things out. Letting go of Anakin Skywalker is difficult, and it’s not as accomplished as it was in the original trilogy, 10 years from now. He’s weak, conflicted, more so Anakin Skywalker now than in Rogue One. Much training he has.

[@littlebassboy]

Hearing Anakin’s and Vader’s voice cross paths gave me chills. Truly cinematic

[@additionad]

Made this whole series worth it.

[@johnpetty4416]

Honestly one of the best Star Wars moments in my opinion.

[@wanyekest6969]

Definitely one of the Star wars moments

[@TheAutumnWind_RN4L]

Kinda made a grown man a bit misty.

[@Xeodes]

Truly amazing. I wish we could see more.

[@daveblackman816]

Palpatine was correct, Vader was weakened whenever he faces anything in his past, like obiwan. When Vader was facing reva, it was effortless. He has no attachment to her at all. But obiwan brings all the emotions of his childhood and Jedi years. Obiwan was his brother figure and no matter what, he is not yet stable enough to deal with it. Hence why The light side of Anakin came out for a split second when he said that he wasn’t his failure.

[@martind.5257]

So cool to see that some other fans intepret this this moment the same way I do! I freaking loved that scene! So I keep commenting this under respective videos 😅: "The most powerful thing to come out of this show for me and one that actually adds a great deal to the characters we love (Anakin/ Vader and then Obi Wan), if you allow it to become your canon, is that dialogue between the two. Some of the most meaningful moments in fiction are actually the ones which leave room for interpretation! When Anakin/Vader tells Obi that he didn't kill Anakin, but he himself did it (after Obi apologized to him), it almost seems like there is the light side shining through, as Anakin wants to lift Obi Wan of that burden, of that feeling of guilt. He himself is now taking responsibility for the way things went. I mean, was he really ready to kill Obi Wan? He wanted, but then again he didn't want to. After all he decided to bury him, instead of actually killing him in a way where he can be certain. He then walked away. On the orher hand, it could be that telling Obi Wan that he (Vader) killed Anakin, is the dark side, his massive ego really embracing what he has become and owning that path, taking away from Obiwan that he could possibly have had a part in shaping his future, telling him that he wasn't significant enough so he could have possibly done that, thereby trying to hurt him even more. I personally lean towards the former, also because of hayden's voice when he said the part about Obi not having any part in it. Then again, when he said "I did!" it's realy vadery and kind of evil. I don't know, maybe its both. The character stays ambivalent after all and holds sort of two peole. So who knows. Either way, seeing Anakin like this and hearing what he had to say, lifted the burden of guilt from Obi Wan and he could finally be free again. Very very powerful scene for me!"

[@martind.5257]

Oh and I like the comparison you made between the Rever and the Obi Wan fight :-)

[@Zach_Bliss]

Great perspective!

[@Biosynthnut]

Same with Ahsoka and their duel. Anakin "pops" out for that brief moment. Vader wants to kill his past, Anakin won't let him.

[@Cts_99]

This would make sense if Vader was emotional during their first encounter but he wasn’t. He was calm and collected. The first interaction would’ve been the struggle for Vader to deal with.

[@MrLukkyNL]

I was torn apart when Anakin spoke... and then Vaders voice said "remains". This is the best line in Star Wars ever. So emotional. Everything came together in that just one sentence. Goosebumps.

[@TakaraoftheElves]

The red lighting on Vader's scarred face and his ragged, rattling breathing also lends a certain 'zombie-like' quality to his appearance. You really get the sense that Vader is the twisted, broken, and hollowed out corpse of what used to be Anakin Skywalker. 😢

[@misshobbity]

Absolutely agree, this series was phenomenal

[@donramon9723]

And Blended to trilogies nicely

[@davehal4503]

"I am what remains." Probably the best Vader line.

[@CalistoFury]

Broke my heart watching Obi wan realize that at this moment Anakin was gone. I loved how it ties the "from a certain point of view" when Ben told Luke that Vader killed Anakin

[@rexmagi4606]

I also like how he called him "Darth" when he said goodbye, like how he did in A New Hope. I think it's Obi Wan's way of calling him a generic evil Sith. He knows he is called Vader but only calls him Darth.

[@TerryKashat]

It was cool - but this whole thing already happened on Mustafar 10 years prior.

[@donramon9723]

@@TerryKashat yeah but people hated the prequels because it was missing emotional weight and conversion to Darth Vader was very rushed. The dialogue in Obi-Wan Kenobi series was reminiscent of Return of the Jedi between Vader and Luke. The prequels didn't have that depth for some reason.

[@donramon9723]

@@rexmagi4606 Darth is a title for a Sith Lord. Obi-Wan is basically acknowledging that he is that Sith and no longer Anakin his old friend etc.

[@TerryKashat]

@@donramon9723 I hear you - prequels are still some of the best stuff ever made

[@VanAnon51]

The blending of Anakin and Vader’s voices was so eerie, and heartbreaking. It was like a split personality.

[@infinitepossibilities-anyt1488]

Chills every time.

[@ZomboidMania]

Yeah I remember feeling actual chills running down my spine, also allot of sadness

[@trevleisner]

The sinister smile that's on his face after saying obi wan didn't kill Anakin Vader did. Chilling.

[@gamegeekz1]

Ikr? It was just WOW

[@rowellbeast]

I'm surprised how well it worked tbh.

[@VadersReviews]

Like Kenobi says in Rebels: “If you define yourself by the power to take life, the desire to dominate, to possess… then you have nothing.” He knows Anakin still hates himself for losing Padme. Vader’s rage and emotional instability is how Kenobi was able to win. He just used it against him and stayed level-headed.

[@bornwithoutboundariestarot]

He used it against him in the flash back too. But that’s what I don’t like about Kenobi. Instead of instilling strength through encouragement, he just manipulated Anakin to get the higher ground. It’s obnoxious. And why, I’ll, Kenobi is a failure. He absolutely failed Anakin. Every. Freaking. Time. He just doesn’t get it. But Luke did. ❤️

[@krispybacon9927]

@@bornwithoutboundariestarot he didn’t use anything against him, anakins self hate was all from himself.

[@VadersReviews]

@@bornwithoutboundariestarot although I think you have a point in some regards, if you watch The Clone Wars you’ll see that Anakin was always a loose cannon, and despite Obi-Wan’s best efforts, he was always jumping the gun. Obi-Wan tried to use experiences to train Anakin, but he was too thirsty for power to adhere to his master’s guidance. I don’t think you can blame Obi-Wan for that.

[@jdwildcat4823]

@@bornwithoutboundariestarot That wasnt manipulation that was a lesson to Anakin showing that his drive for power will inevitably get him nowhere, and his opponents will use it against him. And Anakin didnt listen🤷‍♂️

[@sephiroth8724]

Nope, its just bullshit writing, in no way does it make sense that Obi won can beat a prime Vader. Fuck out of here

[@Mieknara]

I think we're also seeing Obi-wan just slipping into the Force in way that he hadn't yet. It's like the transformation that Kanan goes through when fighting the Grand Inquisitor. Obi-wan had time to accept what was about to happen and truly embrace the Force.

[@DawnShepardME3]

OB1 got his mojo back. They did an OK effort in showing that imo. Coulda/shoulda been way way better/epic though. Just look at the Mandolorian. Evertything they do for that show makes it feel freakin epic - which is fantastic. Why not do that for legacy Star Wars too huh? No? gotta make it bland so people forget about it? If true, that FKN SUCKS BIG STINKN ASS.

[@randomcontentguy2521]

I refuse to accept that

[@evansanchez8722]

It’s also worth mentioning Obi-Wan found a second wind after he escaped from the rubble. Like when Qui-Gon died, Obi-Wan was emotionally in tune with the force and was fighting with power than he ever had before.

[@iwannaseenow1]

While I agree he got a second wind and was fighting with much more skill after the rocks, is it realistic from all we know about Kenobi that he could raise that many boulders and fling them at Vader? I am not familiar with all the novels, etc., just the movies.

[@evansanchez8722]

@@iwannaseenow1 yes. He has demonstrated to he with the likes of Maul and even Anakin at times. Both of which are extremely powerful in the force

[@aarongolden5608]

@@evansanchez8722 Except he didn’t do anything very impressive with the force to defeat Maul or Anakin. That was pure lightsaber skill and tactical sense. Maul made a mistake by underestimating Obi-Wan which Obi-Wan took advantage of, and Anakin made the exact same mistake by trying to use the same move on Obi-Wan that Obi-Wan used to defeat Maul. Neither of these times did Obi-Wan demonstrate an uncharacteristic amount of force skill, he merely used his lightsaber skill and training to take advantage of his enemies weakness. Obi-Wan is a very impressive duelist, but the fact that he uses a defensive lightsaber style tells you that his strength lies in his use of a lightsaber, not his force abilities.

[@aarongolden5608]

I could easily see Yoda, or possibly even Mace Windu demostrating such a crazy amount of force potential in the heat of a duel, but both their midichlorian counts were far higher than Obi-Wan’s. Obi-Wan is a strong duelist, not a strong force user. If he had such a strong potential to tap into, he could have used it to defeat Dooku. He could have even used it when he dueled Grievous. But he didn’t. He used his defensive lightsaber style to defeat all of his enemies, because that is what he was best at.

[@TopTenofeverything1]

@@aarongolden5608 the prequels created this misconception that obiwan is not a skilled force user, whereas in the og trilogy he is one of few that becomes a force ghost so i dont really buy it

[@ryanbartz7776]

What if Vader didn’t yell “Kenobi” for him to come back and finish the duel. Vader yelled at Kenobi for leaving him to suffer again.

[@heisenberggutenberg95]

Yea he does that with alot of people

[@ryanbartz7776]

@@heisenberggutenberg95 I could be wrong but Vader has lied to a lot of people but has never lied to Kenobi.

[@ryanbartz7776]

@@PULPperson that’s more heartbreaking

[@shoeman6966]

No I think he yelled Kenobi because he wanted to finish the duel and kill him. Vader made it clear to Kenobi that he wasn’t responsible for Anakin’s turn to Vader. In other words, he doesn’t want Obi Wan’s help. If he did, he would have left with Obi wan.

[@bonesf200]

I felt that too. It sounded a bit like a scream of despair as well as anger. Fookin heartbreaking

[@skystarry9546]

This makes me a bit sad. I never thought about the physical pain he feels in the suit. He is the most iconic villain of all time, but also the most tragic.

[@mrj5447]

Just so you know mate his suit was designed to be torturous

[@semperfiyorkies6084]

I’ve always wondered why Palpatine wanted someone as strong as him yet kept him weak by that horrible suit.

[@MrJohnlennon007]

@@mrj5447 done at the “Emperor Palpatine Reconstruction Centre” with some Woodoo hide.

[@daltonevans3412]

It's a hill i'm willing to die on, but anakin skywalker/darth vader is *the* best character ever written. Granted there is so much material about him that it's hard for him not to be extremely well fleshed out, but he is the most tragic example of what happens when our inner demons win.

[@daltonevans3412]

@@semperfiyorkies6084 the suit was a punishment for vader, and basically once vader lost to kenobi sidious decided that vader was no longer worthy of taking his place as the dark lord of the sith, but sidious realized that even weakened vader could still fuck up his day so decided to make him weaker to make it easier to kill him since he no longer had any intention of letting vader take over. That's why sidious was constantly trying to replace him, he wanted a new apprentice and the first test for this new potential apprentice was to kill vader, but vader is too stubborn to die and keeps killing them so sidious is kinda stuck with him.

[@alexandergreen5359]

I legitimately believe Vader and Obi never actually wanted the other dead. They had so many opportunities - they both left each other burnt and didn’t go for the kill for example, which stands out to me. But also when Vader buries Obi and when Obi slashes Vader’s helmet. If they truly wanted the other dead, it would have happened way sooner than episode 4.

[@TakaraoftheElves]

It speaks volumes as to how deeply enmeshed in one another Anakin/Vader and Obi-Wan are. It's like they're locked in this violent, painful, and brutally loving embrace. Anakin NEEDS Obi-Wan, simply cannot let his former master and brother go, even as he torments, rages against, and hunts him. Obi-Wan likewise still carries too much love for Anakin's memory to ever kill Darth Vader by his own hand. They're at an ultimate impasse, one which could only be broken by Obi-Wan cognitively splitting Anakin and Darth Vader into two separate entities...and walking away.

[@mouse7965]

obi wan thought anakin was dead because he thought hed killed him on mustafar lol, thats nonsense

[@Schlex]

@@mouse7965 what? He knew he survived, he said I’m sorry I failed you Anakin to Vader earlier on in the show. Nonsense😂😂😂🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@Schlex]

@@mouse7965 lol

[@mouse7965]

@@Schlex reva literally tells obi wan that vader is alive and obi wan is shocked, he thought anakin was dead

[@tomstepp3954]

The cool thing about Obi-Wan is that he makes up for his relative lack in force abilities with intellect, strategy, and dedication.

[@HeWhoWalksWithNoBitchiz]

@@tommycocacocke and that was the only thing I didn't like about the episode other than that I loved it.

[@simonl5074]

Where do you see a lack of force abilities ? That's just vader fanboys being salty that have this narrative

[@tomstepp3954]

@@simonl5074 obi wan is weaker than Yoda and Qui Gon in raw force abilities. You can see here that he struggles to hold up the same rocks that Vader can dispatch with ease. What makes Obi-Wan a more powerful warrior and fighter than Vader is his ability to use his surroundings and the weaknesses of his enemies to his advantage. This is how he was able to defeat Darth Maul despite being vastly disadvantaged. He struggles against Dooku when he fights him in isolated settings in episodes 2 and 3. But for most fights, Obi-Wan is able to use his surroundings to his advantage. I'm not being salty and I'm not being a Vader fanboy. If anything, I think this makes Obi-Wan pretty badass and cool. Vader is raw power with no discipline. Ob-Wan has less power but much more discipline and this is why hes the better warrior.

[@adampetten5349]

@@tomstepp3954 Qui Gon is intermediate between Obi-wan and Fisto in force abilities. He is fairly powerful but not of the level of the elite.

[@donramon9723]

The force was with him when he realigned with his purpose which were the kids. Also the planet was a conduit of the force and he was able to tap into that. That is why he lured Vader to that planet. Obi-Wan has been around and he knows his way around the Galaxy. I'm sure the force brought him there.

[@braxen828]

There is so much more to star wars duels then just skill or strenght, especially when the characters participating have emotions surounding eachother.

[@Vader255]

Exactly I say this whenever people say kylo is trash because he lost to rey and struggled with finn kylo was stated to be conflicted and weakened after killing his father and its stated rey got a determination amp and became one with the force to defeat kylo

[@Vader255]

@Basil true its sad she is the strongest non god character in sw

[@ulyssesocounter8488]

Yeah but it does get a bit tiring after a while. In a good part of the Star Wars duel there’s always someone holding back or toying rather than fighting. It wouldn’t be too bad if it weren’t the majority of the duels we get to see in this universe.

[@4RunnnerKing]

The revenge of the sith book does a really good job showing what really goes in to Star Wars duels.

[@gamblertoguru382]

@@Vader255 Rey maybe,but he still shouldn't be struggling with Finn bro lol.

[@alexlu2686]

Not gonna lie, I teared up when Obi-Wan saw what happened to Anakin and apologized to him.

[@TheArrowedKnee]

What got me even more, was when Anakin slipped through for just a bit, and told Obi-Wan that he doesen't really blame him for everything that had happend. He blamed himself.

[@thelastcasualty2696]

Same man. I wish their dialogue lasted longer.

[@ryananthony4840]

Same here

[@davidmun1601]

That's my biggest criticism of the show. Ewan McGregor is a great actor and his is supposed to be his show. The show should have focused more on Obi-Wan. I still loved the show but did not care much for the distractions that were Reva and others.

[@tailsprowerfan2729]

@@davidmun1601 hopefully s2 is focused on obi wan and Luke and obi wans master

[@hersss12]

With Hayden's amazing acting plus his voice/Vader's voice makes this whole scene so emotional, I love it

[@blucheer8743]

Obi-wan told yoda that he would not kill Anakin under any circumstance he stuck to that… on a side note damn ewan’s light Sabre work was truly awesome very well done! Behind the back, both hands, over hand, under hand, he hit Vader with everything! That’s being total committed to the part hats off to great acting!! I hope they carry on the obi-wan story line just because the cast I think they have so much to add to the full story

[@King330h]

Ewan is the embodiment of Obi Wan. Dude was born to play the role. He was always my favorite of the Jedi only behind Qui Gon. Man saw the whole universe fall apart and still follows his mission. I hope we see another season

[@charityetzkorn4710]

I'm such a Qui Gon fan I screamed at the end of the episode I knew it was coming but love him so much!

[@anotherbigfootwithinternet2147]

Obi Wan is the embodiment of the Jedi spirit, fearless, passionate, disciplined, and he's true to himself and the Jedi.

[@nessierey6721]

Been confirmed that there will be season 2

[@brianmiller1077]

Technically he was born to play Wedge's nephew :)

[@techastrophe]

@@nessierey6721 It has not been confirmed.

[@SpartanX300]

I feel like during the conversation after Kenobi broke Vader's mask, Anakin was almost trying to talk to Kenobi through Vader. When Vader said "I am not your failure" or "you didn't kill Anakin Skywalker", it's almost like Anakin was trying to apologize and saying that he blames himself for his downfall, not Kenobi. And then Vader takes the wheel again and says "...I did". Finally when Kenobi leaves, and Anakin/Vader start calling for him, it has a double meaning. Vader wanted to finish the duel with Kenobi and finally kill him, but Anakin was basically saying "please don't leave me" just like Kenobi had left him in ROTS.

[@croftsy2135]

He said "I am not your failure" as he doesn't consider himself to be a failure, as he still mostly believes he made the right choice. He also says he killed Anakin because he is saying that Anakin died once he transitioned into Vader and joined the sith. Whilst an interesting thought, I don't think its very likely that he was saying these things as anakin through vader.

[@butterflymage5623]

@@croftsy2135 I agree with the top guy. Between it being anakins voice, the lack of sith eyes, and him being thematically covered in blue light when he’s saying I’m not your failure, you didn’t kill anakin skywalker, to the transition to the complete opposite from “I did” and on plus the emotional sadness in anakins voice versus the anger in Vader’s. It’s pretty clear imo that’s what they were going for.

[@je-nas]

@@butterflymage5623 @Croftsy I also agree with OP. I mean, at least that's the BETTER interpretation for my taste anyway, regardless of the actual intention of the writers: for Anakin just witnessed Kenobi deeply hurt, deeply guilty, apologizing for Anakin's downfall... We know there has to be a bit of good Anakin deep inside, and we know the actual result of Anakin's words: Kenobi overcame his guilt. I would rather believe the good side in Anakin did that deliberately, than Vader just stupidly did a favor to Kenobi, on top of losing the battle. Indeed, I can only believe Vader lost that battle if his good side was THAT prominent all along, if that was the effect of Kenobi's presence - then I can even find plausible why Vader would go for just burying Kenobi under rocks: way to avoid actually killing Kenobi FOR SURE, without having to admit to himself any emotional conflict. All that is in line with how Vader "works" when it comes to Luke.

[@LaMASIA-5611]

There are those who interpret anakin and vader as two different entities and there are those who interpret anakin is vader transformed. I think the ladder is true. The split personality isn't common in star wars, it's only really prevelant in the story of anakin because he has always been so conflicted, up until his final moments with Luke in ep 6. It makes more sense that he has allowed/allowed himself to be vader due to the consequences of his own actions and suffering rather than the personality of vader takes over him leaving him sunken where he can say something like "don't leave me ".

[@donhoover23]

I agree. The blue on his face and temporary lack of sith eyes shows that Obi-wans apology touched him, and by him saying that he is not his failure is just to make Kenobi feel a little better and to not be hard on himself. ironically, to do this, it pulls on his self-loathing and rises up the darkside again.

[@ct6852]

They hinted that thinking of saving the children from the dark side (Luke and Lelah) gave Obi Wan the extra strength. Like a mama bear whose cubs are in danger. It's a very Disney thing.

[@uncouthliyouth4486]

Meaning lame canned bs?

[@eries77]

I think we see it in the flashback he never learned everything there was to learn to become a Master Jedi but Obi-wan did. Obi-wan was granted the rank of Master because he proved that he could. Being strong in the force is one thing but learning to Master your feelings is even more important. Even Vader said in a New Hope that he was but a learner the last time they met.

[@Mark-ly4lq]

Yeah, this disney trash didn't exist, so it made sense

[@spectrevector1115]

When He said, "Anakin is gone, I am what remains", You could feel the sadness in his voice.

[@calliemendoza8563]

I got "It is too late for me, son" vibes

[@joelmarshall1032]

Honestly, I wish this battle would have ended in a flat-out draw with neither the clear winner. Obi and Vader need a draw where they both didn’t win or lose. Vader is ridiculously powerful and has been training (and hating) this whole time. Obi completely forgot his powers. He shouldn’t be able to suddenly out-do the chosen one who has been training and hating this entire time (even if Palp has gimped him). I feel like Obi got the “Rey” treatment

[@Cts_99]

I feel the exact same way

[@steffan5304]

The battle ending any other way than obi-wan beating him would break canon. In a new hope when vader says the last time he left him 'I was but the learner, now i am the master'

[@halloweenjack95]

You are 100% correct. Sadly most Obi Wan Fanboys doesn't see it that way.

[@halloweenjack95]

@@steffan5304 not really. Obi Wan couldve tricked him or something and disappear or leave.

[@vergessen5971]

Obiwan got the Disney treatment. Which means disregard 80% of what you know and just shut up and love it cause he said hello there.

[@themartialartist333]

Easily the best scene in disneys Star Wars reign, anakin and vaders voices combining, and giving us the first real feeling that they are the same person. Always felt as though they were separate people. And the pure emotion kenobi shows! I personally fricking loved obi-wan series.

[@somecallmetim9418]

Awesome analysis for sure, but I disagree with a few things. First off, generally when Vader fights most of anyone else, he is more in tune with the dark side and thus much more powerful. I feel the reason he lost here is because as you said he is so conflicted, not because he’s close to Obi Wans power level. I thought that the 80% of Palpatine thing was now legends and that the new Cannon Vader is stronger in raw force power. It is even stated a couple times that he is more powerful, such as in Fallen Order. I always viewed it as Palpatine just had way more knowledge of the force and thus could apply his power better. That and Palpatine was 100% in tune with the dark side as compared to his apprentice would would become conflicted when confronted with his past. The new way cannon uses midiclorions isn’t the total amount present in the body, but the number per cell. It makes more sense im my mind as if it was number per body then Yoda would be much weaker. Therefore in new cannon I don’t believe Vader lost any. And lastly Vader is stated in several sources to be the best dueler in Star Wars, even above Palpatine and Dooku. If Vader wasn’t so conflicted while fighting and was able to keep a level head, I believe he would have won. That’s just my take anyways, no disrespect or anything. Awesome video tho!

[@sheluvprada]

You are correct about the 80% thing and the statements surrounding Vaders force power. That’s the dynamic between Vader and Palpatine, Vader has more raw power while Palpatine has more knowledge and can apply his powers better. Also that Vader is actually Palpatines apprentice instead of an outcast attack dog in legends

[@theankh2872]

Yes. In canon Vader is no longer physically handicapped and it certainly doesn't affect his force potential. Dude's just too psychologically damaged to want to do anything with it.

[@leonvelay299]

Where could I find this stuff

[@The_last_prime]

i wanted to say this as well lol

[@yanceyboyz]

Obi wan is one of the greatest duelists of all time too. He 100% mastered seresu and it's defensive capabilities, the longer a fight went on with an aggressive style (ala anakins form 5's) the more chance obi wan had of winning. What really spun Vader's mind in this recent duel, is the fact obi wan switched to Ataru (qui gons style and obi wans original form) vadar has spent years assessing a way to beat seresu only for old Ben to switch it up and have an ace in his sleeve mid battle. It's literally a turning point in the battle, many viewers picked up on him starting to do some cool new things like the behind the back hand switch etc, not actually realising they were witnessing him change forms. It was there for the true geeks.

[@gold_leader9288]

My opinion is Obi-Wan tapped into the true nature of the light side. Loving but not attached, like Qui-Gon. This gave him the ability to use the force aggressively without falling to its power, similar to how Kanan was able to save the Ghost crew in Rebels

[@gold_leader9288]

@Bingo I’d disagree there. Do you know the phrase “if you really love someone let them go?” I think this phrase means that you can love something without desire to gain personally from it. That’s where I get the idea that that is the true definition of the “light side.”

[@scrotumscratcher2474]

@Bingo there is such a thing lmao. it died with qui gon. you arent wrong that the jedi ideology is pathetic but the only one who could have done anything about the events that happened in episodes 1-3 was qui gon himself

[@dawthvadah1249]

I agree that it showed that love is more powerful than whatever Vader was feeling. There’s just no such thing as the light side though. There’s only the force

[@k--music]

@Bingo perhaps that's why Qui-Gon wasn't liked so much by the jedi council, but it is possible

[@elainenagano2735]

Wow us Starwars Fans are so passionate!!!!

[@mcintyrej100]

I think Anakin came out while saying “you didn’t kill Anakin” in a way to remove the burden off obi wan and in a way say it’s not his fault. But Vader finished the sentence with “I did”, showing the conflict within Anakin even while speaking a singular sentence.

[@Jezee213]

Thats the way I understood that part to be. More of Anakin cutting him some slack in a way.

[@michacieslak2346]

Definitely. Tiny bit of Anakin resurfaces for a moment, but hatred and rage of Vader shuts him down again. Plus, I don't know, but I have a feeling like he wanted to die there. That's why he was like "I'll destroy you", even though he knew it's literally not possible, he was barely standing and was still teasing Obi Wan, trying to get him to strike again.

[@mcintyrej100]

@@michacieslak2346 exactly. I part of me feels like he wanted obi wan to kill him. Of course he wants to kill obi wan, but the way he yelled at the end made me feel like he didn’t want obi wan to leave him defeated again like in revenge of the sith, instead wanted him to put him out of his pain.

[@keithcurtis]

Obi Wan had just defeated him. I took it that he was speaking out of spite. "You beat me, but you can't pity me. I won't take your pity. _I_ did this, not you."

[@panama1942]

I viewed it as him saying he is not anyone's 'failure', that he is not a failure in any way. He believes he killed Anakin in order to become stronger and more powerful. The last thing he would do is cut Obi some slack.

[@midwestrebel2]

The reva & Darth Vader fights was beautiful displaying his strength & ability with the force ! In the Kenobi vs Vader fight showed whos the master still ' obi wan ! '' blows my mind how on point you are in each video ! Truly the best star warz analysis KZbinr out there ! Great videos 💯👌

[@kartnisch9750]

You support woke?

[@randomcontentguy2521]

It’s trash. Kenobi should NEVER have won at this point

[@user-gu1sl1mn2m]

I love this channel so much. It’s so cool to see someone nerd out with something you personally love

[@Dave_Chrome]

I really like the idea of Vader's suit being that inhibiting for him. The sheer delay on his mind-to-limb-movement means that every time we see Vader fighting he's *several* steps ahead of his opponents, that's so badass lol. It sells just how powerful Anakin is, I don't think any other Star Wars character would handle being in the Vader suit, at least not nearly as well as he does

[@bs_ms]

Don’t you think that if Vader’s tech was truly so out of date initially - that he couldn’t have gone and put together/ sourced his own to upgrades later? I mean he has a history of being very good at building things from a young age…

[@mellomoose_]

@@bs_ms palps prolly forbid it

[@thewarner2139]

@@bs_ms In canon Vader's armor was up to date and he routinely modified it to his exact specifications. Once he returned from his mission of bleeding a kyber crystal, Palpatine told him he could change the armor if he wanted. So what we see is what Vader wanted.

[@chigi5461]

@@thewarner2139 isn't this what Vader wanted because the pain strengthening his contact with the dark side of the force, rather than having it 'optimised'?

[@thewarner2139]

@@chigi5461 Vader needed the armor to be optimal in order to fight at his peak. His body was already in constant pain. Even when he connected the armor, it was a painful process of piercing his skin and nerves.

[@johnhughes7465]

When Obi-wan says he’s sorry, It genuinely looks like “Anakin” is doing everything in his power to hold onto his rage and anger. This whole scene is fucking tragic.

[@Mark-iz5in]

Vader had more force potential, and was in his prime. Either than Disney being hot garbage, he could've only lost to Obi-Wan by being drawn back to the light through emotion thus losing his power.

[@EmmyTheAdult]

This comment right here 💔

[@nashwalker7]

Dude I almost teared up. Hayden’s emotes through a cracked helmet and mcgregor tears almost made it happen

[@johnhughes7465]

@@nashwalker7 bro I was a mess

[@Jordanthomas95]

Yeah I mean Palpatine pretty much said that Vader wasn’t at full power: “Perhaps your feelings for your old master have left you weakened.”

[@m_ruben]

Hello again Jordan, always a pleasure to see your comments. I’m surprised that you’re still claiming Vader lost due to his confliction. You obviously didn’t pay any attention while watching the series. (And to all the times I’ve called you out on this). Vader lost, and the series makes it very clear why he lost, with the flashbacks and commentary that Obi Wan gives. Vader undoubtedly has more raw power than Obi Wan, even as Anakin he quickly became more powerful than Obi Wan as his apprentice. (As shown in the flashbacks). However, raw power alone doesn’t decide the outcome of a duel. Somehow a big portion of the Star Wars fanbase seems to think this, but it’s a simple minded view that is debunked time and time again. Vader lost, not because of his power level, but because of the flaws with his personality. Vader is impatient, arrogant and his desire to win blinds him. Obi Wan knows this, and even mentioned it during the flashback. While Obi Wan might not have the raw power of the chosen one, he definitely makes up for it with his wit. It’s why he was able to defeat Maul in 3 moves, even though Maul is arguably stronger than Kenobi.

[@senate2674]

@@m_rubenboy even palpatine said it in the end, if it were any other jedi even stronger than obi wan they would have been cooked

[@BeanyBeans]

I've been watching your channel since like 2016 and it still blows my mind when I see your face in these videos. you helped me form the star wars nerd part of my childhood

[@nathanmcafee8050]

This was the Obi-Wan that Anakin talked about to Padmé in Episode 2: "As wise as Master Yoda and as powerful as Master Windu." It was always there.

[@Mukation]

Obi-Wan was always more humble and reserved. Even when fighting an enemy he rarley went all in. Only when Maul killed Qui-Gon (Obi-Wan shattered his double blad in just a few seconds) and when engaging Vader he went for the kill stroke once it was beyond clear that Anakin was not there anymore.

[@aliceinwonder8978]

It makes sense to me that, because Vader is so physically limited, that he would focus his training on the force instead. I also found it interesting that, compared to Ep3, Obi-Wan was more the aggressor here instead of Anakin who was almost 100% the aggresor in ep3

[@bobaketthepartyfett3405]

Obi wan was using anakins style to defeat Vader thats why Anakin and Vader fight very differently

[@marcusmcneal7453]

@@bobaketthepartyfett3405 Glad you caught that too. After the pit, Kenobi switched too Anakin’s style and definitely caught Vader off guard.

[@cingcena91]

@@bobaketthepartyfett3405 Sooooo glad someone caught this as well!

[@TheRealLastJedi721]

That made me sad cause he’s truly lost his abilities as a light saber duelist he’s still alright but he just ain’t him no more

[@anakinskywalker336]

@@TheRealLastJedi721 what doesn’t make sense is Vader actually learned more lightsaber forms and got better

[@stephensimons657]

I think seeing Obiwan’s strength return awakened the Anakin-part of Vader that shows up from time to time. My theory is that Anakin let Obiwan win, and for a brief moment he held Vader back in hopes the Obiwan would kill him and end his suffering.

[@kingshawnofficial191]

Maybe maybe not

[@localgourmet7432]

no bro

[@spectreninesix1335]

I agree

[@marcGOAT1]

Disney is stupid for making obi wan beat darth vader again.

[@connorshafer4999]

Agreed. It was absolutely unnecessary to have obi wan win

[@just4justincase]

His original robotic arm beating superior to his newer limbs actually makes a ton of sense, and gives some extra explanation to why Vader so often opts for one handed lightsaber combat rather than a more secure grip he only resorts to when trying to beat down his opponent with power swings.

[@YES-xx9dh]

I think that it's also because his armor makes it harder for him to use both hands for a lightsaber fight.

[@BenderIsGreat3464]

One of the coolest parts of episode 6 was just after Kenobi but Vaders mask, the sound Vader makes when he tries to take that first breath sounds so painful. I had headphones on and it almost gave my chills

[@kotkitv]

I love the moment when they hold hands during a fight. In this scene, I had the impression that every such detail, gesture, movement, words are not accidental, and everything has meaning and is inspired by emotions - loss, anger, hatred, longing, sadness, revenge, love. And how Ewan and Hayden played it is amazing. The crying Obi Wan played by Ewan is so real. And especially Hayden deserves a mention after all these years, thank you for coming back because, oh Hayden, Anakin's voice and his eyesight broke my heart for the second time after many years when I was a child and I hid under my grandmother's armchair crying because I didn't want to watch Anakin falls and transforms into Vader ...

[@Killzoneguy117]

For so many years, I had a hard time reconciling the voice, speech patterns, demeanor of Anakin Skywalker with Darth Vader. They just seemed like two different people. But Hayden navigated and bridged that perfectly. When he started speaking with the damaged helmet, it all made sense

[@kotkitv]

@@Killzoneguy117 Yes! I agree. It has always been difficult for me to imagine Anakin hiding in this man-machine. Anakin is the one who loved too much, the one who cared, and the one who lost everything. On the other hand, Vader is a ruthless, hateful machine and it seems that there are no dilemmas. Completely different persons. I fully agree. When looking at Vader, you always have to remind yourself from time to time that this Anakin is inside. With what Hayden did, you don't have to remember anymore because you know he's there. And you feel it. And it hurts you more.

[@grunt-sw8si]

@@Killzoneguy117 essentially Anakin and Vader are two different people.

[@twiceborn_by_grace]

There are a lot of Star Wars channels on KZbin, but I always come to you for your content more than others. You are a true fan and don’t just reiterate what other people have said.

[@Alex-nq8wt]

Great video and take on the finale! Keep up the great content!

[@WretchedSound]

I felt that Vader was bragging about having killed Anakin, but was also sympathetic to Obi-Wan, and was reassuring his former master in a way. He was telling Obi-Wan not to blame himself for Anakin's death. Sure, Vader smiles an evil smile behind the cracked mask, but I think a small part of Anakin was sympathetic to Obi-Wan's tears, and was helping his former master to move on from what happened on Mustafar 10 years earlier. It was a very emotional scene with so many layers. I loved it and I've watched it again and again.

[@jozefu8726]

I always thought of it as a force-induced split personality. Anakin lives on but is buried by Vader. The moments when he feel sadness and sorrow, that is when Anakin comes out. However, his hatred is what keeps him alive and so Vader has dominant control. Anakin retreats into Vader as a means of reluctant self-preservation.

[@Dustinwhy8]

100% agree. His apology actually reached Anakin at some level.

[@human8347]

My thoughts on it is that for years kenobi fought like how the jedi of that Era were taught, use no emotion. But in that moment much like qui gon Obi-Wan found that ignoring emotion isn't the way of the light. This allowed him to channel the will he had to fight for the children and the love he had for them. This meant for the first time kenobi fought with emotion, not with anger but with purpose. Just my take, then Qui gon saying he wasn't ready to see could be not just him using the force but him not seeing the true state of the light side like qui gon did.

[@draghicimihai5995]

Motivation is fuell for the engine, keeps us going. That was for me the scene when obi wan pushed away the rocks.✌🏻👍🏻

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

yoda pretty much got a re write near the end of clone war's were they have em fight his inner dark side

[@jalyndixon9352]

Exactly how they should’ve made the sequels. The Jedi were wrong, the sith are evil - emotions like love etc … this is the way.

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

@@jalyndixon9352 the sith are a Alternative to how one use's the force - space magic -

[@Marcusjnmc]

@@creatorsfreedom6734 Yoda's dark side potential is mentioned by Dooku too in an inner monologue iirc , from around episode 2, so it's more an adaptation than a re write , Yoda does have a dark side, but Yoda's thing is to always choose the light anyway.

[@CrispyHulk1]

Great video. Especially your explanation of the cybernetic lag

[@HybridHunt]

Was anyone else hoping to see Obi-Wan use force speed again? I thought it was one of coolest force abilities and I can't help but to feel as though they missed an opportunity to show that off again in Kenobi.

[@porschelover04]

I have a bit of a theory on the end of the fight. Vader knew that, in his injured state, he wouldn't be able to beat Obi-Wan. He wanted Obi-Wan to kill him, to end his suffering. Vader's greatest suffering is having to live in a world where Obi-Wan defeats him but chooses to let him to continue being what he has become. He would rather live on with no memories of the past, or not live at all.

[@aliceinwonder8978]

The most unrealistic part I think is that Obi-Wan has not been practicing for 10 years (presumably). It's hard to believe that he has so much stamina, agility, and fighting ability without at least some prep time to get back in shape. Any athlete knows that if they don't practice for 10 years... welll, shit

[@americanrebelking8337]

Yes but he also had a adrenaline that happens when you know you ethier win or you die. Where vader doesn't care about that.

[@TheKryptoButterfly]

Right ✅️ try not going to the gym for 10 weeks 😑

[@Stinkmeaner420]

You are all stupid. What does Yoda say in Ep. 5? A jedi's strength flows from the force. It has nothing to do with muscles or stamina. How do you think he does all those backflflips and shit against dooku and palps when he has a walking stick?

[@kalvin187douglas]

That’s what I thought as well but then I remembered how Yoda said that muscle matters not but how connected you are in the force. Meaning Obi-Wan being connected in the force so strongly aligned with his body as well

[@tmac9114]

@@americanrebelking8337 adrenaline means nothing for stamina when out of shape. Short term maybe for 1-2 minutes then u would be out of breath. In fact, in mma, if benefits you to be calm. When you are afraid, you gas quick.

[@evansanchez8722]

Ewan *did* say that “This is a 100%, fully realized Vader”. I know that Ewan does not have authority over Star Wars but that is most likely what he was told by the writers.

[@tensacloudzetsu3345]

I've never seen Obi-Wan fight this aggressively. Even against Maul. Amazing. That hilt smash was awesome.

[@c.ladimore1237]

i think vader was just overwhelmed by obi-wan's aggressive tactics compared to his usual defensive ones. he never expected it, nor did obi-wan really.

[@romusa10]

vader took obi wan's high ground, you know what happened to maul when he took it from him..

[@willprice1188]

That’s exactly how I took it, it caught him completely off guard

[@Davy1288]

The slight smirk when Vader says he killed Anakin was horrific. Hayden did an amazing job. Sidebar: I think this season would have been more accepted if Disney just dropped the whole season at the same time.

[@davey4731]

Yes. Later half was good.

[@brianwright9215]

Great idea 🙌🏿

[@taureanrage2065]

I've been thinking about this a little. This series should have been 3 episodes rather than 6. Keep most of the intro and episodes 5 & 6. Cut out the filler and the ridiculous chase scenes (like the 1st episode, they only had to show up to Leia getting surrounded, we can figure it out from there geniuses 😂) Also the 2nd capture was unnecessary and the Fortress Inquisitorius section could be cut (or just completely reworked) I don't want to go into specifics as it'd be too long a comment. I do feel that an overall running time of 3 to 3.5 hrs condensed into 3 episodes would've worked better.

[@nz605]

The only reason why it worked on Mando S2 is because damn near every episode in that show made the wait worth it.

[@RebelGaming4U]

No just people are too impatient and cant wait for things to play out. Everybody criticizes the littlest of things and just tries to make morale low. Just like people complaining about the 1st Kenobi and Vader fight in Episode 3 or people complaining saying the GI is dead and now rebels isn't canon when in reality the GI is still alive as shown in the end of Episode 5. Also people still wanting to complain about a chase scene with a little girl. I mean yeah the chase looks cheesy but it isn't going to pull me out of the show. People just need to let things play out then make your judgements. One thing is for sure...you cannot please everybody.

[@boundbythewild1198]

Really makes "Vader killed your father" line (not exact) even crazier

[@MrBrotein]

Your Palpatine impression was spot on!

[@TheOnSec]

I'll give you 10283 dollars (my savings)

[@thatmattmcd]

I really think Disney have a perfect opportunity for a Vader limited series here, set somewhere between Kenobi and Rogue One, really focusing intently on all the struggles he’s had becoming this hybrid of man and machine, the pain he still feels for what he’s lost, and the fear he has that he is not good enough and that Palpatine will replace him. Gods know there is enough material in the books and comics to draw from. The show can lean in to the increasing atrocity of Vader pitched against the residual goodness of Skywalker that never quite seems to disappear completely- and yes, please ask Hayden Christensen to reprise. He deserves it. Come on D+ we want moreeeee 😎 I’d also love to see a young Leia show, showing a slightly older Leia getting involved in the Rebellion.

[@asdffghjkl_28]

the whole saga is about him but i see what you mean and maybe it could be interesting

[@asaptrizzy967]

Bro just read the comics

[@VeeRoxy]

@@asaptrizzy967 or Disney could just make the comics into another series as with The Book of boba Fett

[@ayydelalmao3176]

I want vaders and palpatines relationship explored, I want to see palpatine training him, building him up, being nice to him, only to torture him minutes later, so we really, truly sympathise with vader, instead of viewing him as a maniac, he is just a slave to the dark side

[@freeffree4133]

I think having a Vader series would have a lot of problems. Besides the hard core fans, seeing a series about a guy in a full body suit isn't really that appealing.

[@lquintela]

You could even argue that Vader learned from the mistakes in this duel hence the caution when fighting obi-wan in episode 4. But Obi-wan was again a step ahead.

[@drd444]

Kenobi knew win or lose, he won. Becoming a force ghost and achieving immortality is a spit in thr face to the guy who literally fell to the dark side seeking the answers to immortality in the first place lol.

[@krispybacon9927]

@@drd444 he didn’t know how to become a force ghost at this point tho

[@johnfrancomiguelfernandez4811]

@@krispybacon9927 we ain't talking about this fight. We're talking about the A New Hope fight.

[@brockbartlett666]

I think its a perfect fit for why they fight so fridgetly in ep 4 even if it was in the 70s and ghey literally couldn’t touch sabers because they would break

[@ryanleonard4980]

Love your breakdowns and vidz

[@jonnyogy2872]

I noticed Obi using new swings and moves with his lightsaber. It was such an intense and emotional fight!

[@boetalouz]

I love how Obi-wan's deciding blow was with the hilt. The move he learned from Maul: the Sith Lord that killed Kenobi's master and decided the faith of Anakin. It's like poetry...

[@Aj9Livess]

It rhymes

[@solvemproblerstudios5889]

Indeed- it’s so like him too, since he was always looking for non lethal solutions as “the negotiator” yet at the same time always picked up on weaknesses since he was almost never as strong as his opponent.

[@elainenagano2735]

Yes I noticed that! Real cool!!! Just loved it.

[@Cannakin]

also he defends against Maul AND Vader with a move, where he puts his arms over his head and deflects on his back. On maul it works, on Vader it fails :) and then taking moves from his enemy (mauls hilt-strike) to defeat vader

[@mightypepper7719]

To be fair, he couldve killed vader had he only used his lightsaber the other way

[@itachi112ify]

The glow of the lightsabers signifying anakins struggle within himself was simply amazing, such an emotional finale

[@jamesbartlett5640]

For me this was the best lightsaber fight in the Disney Lucasfilm era, but the scenes when Obi-Wan cut Vaders mask was so emotional and the music during the scene was brilliant. And for me it was idea for Vader to lose plus it showed how gets the scar you see in Return Of The Jedi after Luke removes the helmet.

[@Willbedard]

Exept that he already had the scar after burning in revenge of the sith

[@danielquiroz8969]

This is big W video theory love ur vids!!!!!👍🙏🙌🙌

[@adamulrich758]

I was kind of hoping Obi Wan would make some kind of reference to Padme during his fight with Vader. Something like, "Padme would be ashamed of what you've become." Or something to that effect.

[@starkilla102]

@Bingo that doesnt mean they cant mention her…

[@roxtechs]

That would only make him more angry and stronger.

[@phieble]

Another HUGE mistake on the script. The dialogue was little to nonexistant as far as the relevance to where the two characters should be right now, and the fight itself did nothing to move us forward. Good fight but total waste

[@phieble]

@I’m on KZbin When Obi wan struck Vader in his helmet exposing his face, almost fatally, he was weakened and his defenses were down. That would have been a good time for Obi-wan to point out how the reason why he wasn't trying to kill him and that he didn't try to before in ROTS is because he really does love him and believe that there is good in him, and also for him to bring uo the fact that the Emperor had deceived him and caused him to destroy everything that he said he was fighting for including Padme. This would bave forced Anakin to think about the truth of the situation and realize that the Emperor didn't really care about him or Padme and that he lied about how powerful he was and wanting to teach Anakin to be more powerful which he didn't. Then we could've went on from there, but instead they said basically nothing and they spared each other for no reason other than both of them canonically HAVE TO survive for us to get to Episode 4. You can be a fan and simultaneously admit that some decisions made were stupid, pointless, and should've been better.

[@mashrubawazed4708]

@@phieble move us forward to what?...the next 9 years is quite boring except for Maul.

[@HiphopAnonymous9]

When Anakins voice came through his mask, that was insane. That was fantastically done. Hearing his struggle breathing was an awesome touch too.

[@thisbubblygoodness7611]

Rebels did it better imo

[@paulmccormacksvideogamesan2912]

I agree! Its a shame for every positive comment there has to be a miserable negative one. Balance in the force I guesx

[@ThunderTurkey100]

@@paulmccormacksvideogamesan2912 Wouldn't be so negative when it takes every ounce of this channel to not just accept that Disney star wars has been poorly written and written by people who just don't care. Episode 6 was the most key jangling, member berry episode that it was just plainly insulting

[@paulmccormacksvideogamesan2912]

@@ThunderTurkey100 well for Gods sake stop watching, if after 2 episodes it makes you that unhappy just stop

[@brendanhiggins3442]

The mixing of voices was fantastic.

[@Zenmaster1]

Macgregor's delivery when Obi-Wan was "speaking to" Qui-Gon before embarking on the final battle with Vader was absolutely masterful. It was akin to, and must have been influenced by, the "..Providence of a sparrow" scene during Hamlet when he calmly accepts his fate prior to his duel with Laertes.

[@MariOfTheMountains]

Many good points have been stated here, but I haven't seen this mentioned - I loved the "technical" details of how Obi-Wan won against Vader. Kenobi starts out with Soresu (form 3, defense, what he used to win the first time), but as the fight goes on, starts to mix aggressive Ataru, Djem So attacks (Anakin's traditional style) and even Makashi (Dooku's fencing style and the one counter to Anakin's/Vader's). I think Vader was caught off guard by seeing this newfound aggression from someone who was always pretty much 100% defense; he never trained for this, of all circumstances. Midway in the fight you also see a shot that highlights the difference between an amateur like Reva and a pro like Kenobi. Vader does the "force block lightsaber strike" thing and instead of fighting against force power with brute strength, Kenobi uses the momentum of the push to spin and pin down Vader's blade before countering with an effective force push of his own. That's pretty much the real-life counter to someone "pushing you really hard" in martial arts too, just use their momentum against them and stop resisting, and usually they'll fall on their face or run into a wall (or you can throw them, but that's more complicated). Reva just tried to push back harder, and that was never going to work. But, even as someone with technically less "raw force potential", Kenobi handily won this, combining Soresu that disabled whatever assault Vader threw at him, with an unrelenting Ataru/Djem So assault that he never had to face from his old master, as well as the Jedi he might have killed. I also think a lot of this battle was psychological. Vader was flip-flopping, as you said, but Kenobi became "fully tapped" into the light side, when he focused on his primary objective of protecting Luke and Leia, and pushed back all the rocks - like he had never before. I think that, just as dark side users draw the most strength from hatred, light side users draw it from love, and here for the first time, Obi Wan truly gained sight of the people who he loved and was trying to protect. This was also a flaw of the old Jedi order, which almost encouraged suppression of emotions like love (indirectly, from suppressing attachment), and therefore crippled itself before the Sith even came into the picture. Obi Wan finally overcame this limitation, and I think it's beautifully symbolized in and interwoven with his more aggressive fighting style, because for the first time now he's fighting _for_ something and he NEEDS to win, instead of just passively defending the status quo that he was taught his entire life was the ultimate good (the Jedi code).

[@coachholden]

Good points. I too noticed and at least in my opinion, attribute his upper hand to the form switch. The only problem I have with it… we were handicapped to 6 episodes and weren’t really able to see any visible meditation or refresher training whatsoever to regain that confidence and ability. A Dagobah visit or even Qui-Gon reaching out prior to, could’ve provided more of an answer than just “oh looks like he’s back and using styles he’s never used before!” in a very limited amount of time

[@jos5247]

Amazing read!

[@77moonwalker77]

beautiful comment!

[@osys11]

I am ‘like’ 66

[@xx_mojat_xx]

I feel like I'm reading world-class playoffs sports commentary but for lightsaber duels. Getting hyped for Kenobi's next match-up! Also I LOL'd so damn hard at "...highlights the difference between an amateur like Reva and a pro like Kenobi." 🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀 YES!!! Call me toxic but FUCK that noob Reva man! 🤣 We were ALL rooting for Vader in that fight, no matter who his opponent would have been unless it was Kenobi.

[@conorroberts9762]

Hayden's performance was THE GOAT in star wars lore imo, it followed on from his prequel performance succinctly and realistically portrayed his character's fall to the dark side in its darkest depiction yet. The eye colour in the final fight sequence provided the perfect juxtaposition to his eventual redemption. With respect to the timeline this series was emotionally spectacular and a great conclusion to vader and kenobi's cannon appearance prior to episode IV, theory you are the best SW KZbin artist of all time

[@wh5027]

" I Hate Sand "

[@jonataspereira1691]

Bloody shit mate, if you consider Hayden's performance as a piece of good acting you haven't watched enough movies.

[@its_dey_mate]

@@jonataspereira1691 His dialogue was pretty bad and Lucas' direction on his acting wasn't great, but he had moments where he showed his acting can be good, which proves his "bad" performance isn't because of himself, but because of outside factors.

[@Joeywlsn]

I agree bro. I have always loved Hayden as Anakin ever since I was 7 when I saw AOTC. I think most people mistaken his acting for his performance. His acting was directed by George. But his performance is himself. He gave his all to play Anakin. And he still is. He loves playing Ani and it means so much to him. Just as much if not more than Ewan playing Obi-Wan. What gets on my nerves is all these people acting like they loved him in the prequels when 90% of people back then didn’t like them.

[@mickadams1905]

That was so cool you shouting out the DARK LORD novel. I went to the bookshelf and grabbed my old beat up hard cover, remembering what a great read it was. This is why you're my favourite STAR WARS critic/fan. You always give your honest opinion but mostly instead of bitching about the problems with the newest stuff (far too easy), you focus on STAR WARS at it's best and the all great stuff some of the newer fans might not have encountered yet.

[@DaKingBalla06]

Love these type of breakdowns

[@MrMasterDebate]

“Have you come to destroy me” Was anyone else thinking this line could have been an opening for Ben to try to bring him back to the light.. and maybe he wanted to be brought back?

[@jorgebaqs7370]

Facts, the jedi always strike first too lmao.

[@Mikewulf65]

Kenobi was calm and clear headed when fighting Vader, he knew what he had to do. Vader was overconfident after overpowering Kenobi from the first encounter, the same exact thing happened in Revenge of the Sith. Vader was also conflicted and wasn't as clear headed as Kenobi was. Anger clouds your mind, it makes you blind and you end up making mistakes. Towards the end of the fight, you see how clumsy Vader is fighting, he's struggling, his anger is not focused, he's trying for a quick victory. You can see how calm Kenobi is fighting Vader, whereas you see Vader struggling, with clumsy strikes, wielding his lightsaber with two hands after the first 40 seconds of the fight after fighting with one hand at the start. At that time, Vader knew Obi-Wan had his strength back.

[@termil6891]

Anakin was the chosen one but Obi-Wan ranks high in my Jedi ranking.

[@Dekomata]

One thing i like to think is obi wan switching to a more offensive lightsaber style upon getting out of the rubble also took vader by surprise. Since vader is very used to seeing obi wan use his defensive style. Not only was he trying for a quick victory, the sudden fighting style change made obi wan even less predictable.

[@solvemproblerstudios5889]

Exactly. Kenobi was focused and had a real reason to fight, and call upon the force. Anakin was probably near his angriest, yet the only reason he had to win was to get back at someone, who he knew in his deepest subconscious, wasn’t even the real problem.

[@dazdavis7896]

Kid that’s because Disney wrote and choreographed it that way. That’s IT. “Disney canon” doesn’t matter. Not one bit. In no universe would Kenobi EVER beat Vader by that point. That’s Vader in his prime. In the actual Lucas era timeline, Kenobi would never best him like that. Never. That was just stupid. If you know anything at all about the actual timeline, if you’ve read anything at all, then you know that. Maybe they can do whatever they want in this horrible Disney timeline, but in the real timeline, the Lucas timeline, the “legends” timeline, Vader would slaughter Kenobi by that point. Period.

[@solvemproblerstudios5889]

@@dazdavis7896 Legends was never George’s timeline. It was “you have creative license that I can overwrite at anytime” Anything outside TCW and the original 6 is gonna be made by someone else, hardly different from Disney doing it, so stop gatekeeping. George himself said Anakin was a 9 and Obi Wan was an 8.

[@nostruggleloveallowed9029]

I trust and value your take on Star Wars commentary; my daughter also watches you 🥰👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 keep up the great work🥳🥳

[@johnbartz1907]

I think the director did an Amazing job with the lightsabers flickers of blue and red show on his face showing his conflictions until the end when it's just red and his rage boils over.

[@MgoMSx]

More flashbacks were needed and a whole dedicated episode to Anakin and Obi Wan would have been an absolute treat.. I still enjoyed it. I hope to see a vader series.. To dive deeper into the conflict between anakin and vader, his search for padme through the force, fighting with palpetine etc.

[@mocha9072]

We have an entire other series with those two and three moves, pretty sure we have enough.

[@karimali9699]

That would be nice but considering how short the episodes are, that would a lot of space

[@King330h]

I would love a series on him, I want to see rogue one Vader. He did not look powerful at all. I get it that you have to follow the story and we know how it ends, but it didn’t feel like blow alderaan up while leia watches evil. I want to see more of that

[@RebelGaming4U]

@@King330h that was more Tarkin not Vader who made Leia watch. Vader was on Tarkins leash to an extent.

[@Dumapower1996]

@@mocha9072 well that's just your opinion man.

[@darthnutsack6717]

Dude I got chills because it was so epic when Vader stopped the boulder and was like "Ahh, Your strength has returned.... But the *WEAKNESS, STILL REMAINS* !

[@danielmillward9947]

Plus the force earthquake, still shows that if he really wanted to be could've crushed kenobi

[@adam3comp]

"You guys have heard me say this a few times now, if not, welcome to the channel" i legit spat my tea out laughing xDDDDD

[@raffin2040]

I’m late to the party but I love this channel. Right down my wheelhouse. Helpful in answering so many questions. At the risk of crossing over into another fandom, is there any channel like this for Stranger Things? (Sorry, I’m just excited bc the new episodes just dropped today!)

[@BeckyDomeyer]

As someone who is still kind of new to star wars but inadvertently listening to these videos in the background when my husband watches them, it wasn't till I watched kenobi when I really understood darth vader and finally could see past some of hadens performance as anakin in 1 2 and 3. Seeing this side of him has really helped me to connect the dots in between 3 and 4 and this fight with obi wan was enough for me to want a vader series and really see the conflict and what happens in that 10 year gap and that is something I'd never thought I'd say for someone who never even wanted to know what star wars was about...

[@mosesgutierrez8744]

You should watch clone wars

[@Soup-man]

Anakin was done by Jake Lloyd in 1

[@chacharealsmooth941]

His performance served a purpose that you now understand. Most things you don't get about prequels come with age and with the understanding of SW universe.

[@ZomboidMania]

There are so many comics here on KZbin and Spotify that go over the early years of his time as Darth Vader, give em a look if you haven't already

[@BeckyDomeyer]

@@mosesgutierrez8744 I wouldn't be surprised if we haven't watched it by the end of this year

[@rocket5050OG]

The ending felt very fitting, the show had some crazy and odd moments, but the ending really put it all together, giving us all what we wanted!

[@dik56]

yes but i wish the entire show was like the last two episodes

[@protalghulnist4126]

Definitely not all of us

[@TheArrowedKnee]

Absolutely, the shows had it's flaws for sure, but in the end i'm satisfied.

[@bigstarwarsfan5714]

@Bingo cry

[@fatakcz5962]

@@bigstarwarsfan5714 you cry first

[@j.rhodesbass225]

Big Fan of S.W and your channel, love your content. Watched the Kenobi Series and think it's great! Your explanation of Vader's defeat makes perfect sense. It was great to watch but so eerie to see Anakin's face again and the combination of his and Vader's voice was brilliant in showing the inner conflict. I feel Kenobi left him alive (again) for the same reasons that he did in Revenge of the sith. Simply put, he naturized the threat and leaves it to the will of the force. "A jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense, never for attack" -Yoda.

[@HannibaL3880]

Thanks to you and your vids I bought both Dark Lord and Darth Plagueis, both tagged "legends" now... Looking forward to read them👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@captain_commenter8796]

When Vader loses, but he had the high ground: *“Wait that’s illegal”*

[@roveltz]

That’s disney for you

[@DarthVader1977]

loses*

[@therobloxpro885]

@@DarthVader1977 mesa destroy u darth vader

[@WR288]

Tbf Maul had the high ground too

[@roveltz]

@@therobloxpro885 😂 jar jar funny as always but i see you are a sith lord

[@thelastcasualty2696]

I'd love to see more of Vader in future shows. It's been said many times already but a Vader show taking place very soon after ROTS would show us his early life in his new identity. Seeing Vader deal with losing everything and his eventual conclusion that his old self, Anakin Skywalker, is dead and he should fully embrace his new reality would be so damn awesome. I doubt Disney will make such a "depressing" show based on their supposed rejection of the first Kenobi Movie script.

[@unreleasedtracks1790]

What was the first kenobi script about i keep hearing about it but can’t find links to anything about it lol

[@Spartan168]

There’s an official comic that covers that exact time period. Not sure if they’d redo it in live action

[@user-we6si4mi3x]

yes, it would be cool to shoot the series as a kind of drama, for example, like the Joker, i.e. not action, but more emotional experiences, Vader's doubts and conversations with himself

[@Cos_Why_Not]

I also wouldn't mind something set between the Originals, although I'm not sure what exactly they could do there/what hasn't been covered

[@arpadszabo661]

I would love to see a show about the new canon Vader comics. Those are pretty amazing.

[@jayjackson3238]

You bringing up Grievous mechanics and his robotic arm compared to his suit makes so much sense as to why vader is not a great light saber combatant.

[@heimbrand84]

I need a podcast with you talking about star wars. you got a vouce that is very smooth to listen to, and i can listen to you enlighten me about the star wars world all day

[@elsoudani4028]

This show has a lot of questionable moments , but Vader's lines , voice acting and general characters is SO on point

[@nutrientocean]

pretty much sums up star wars since the OT really

[@namein1000]

@@nutrientocean nahhh the PT was great too

[@Rowan3733]

@@nutrientocean OT wasn't, and never will be, perfect. It's got heart for sure.

[@letsgetitit2987]

I agree he has great moments but leaving Reva alive twice? Now disney are just trying to destroy the evil of a character. She survives as a kid then he doesnt kill her because she placed a tracker and then fails to kill her again so fails 3 times... The empire is a joke in disney star wars i didnt know that Nazi's cared about equality and hiring of women because for some reason the empire did...

[@virajs.8864]

Vader’s strategy and actions were illogical outside of the good fight scenes

[@tangoplays2547]

Look at Vader’s saber handling, too. Beginning of the fight, he goes in with one hand on his weapon, after Obi Wan starts pushing him a bit, Vader puts both hands on, he figured out quick that Obi Wan got his groove back, and wasn’t going to run over him like he did earlier in the series.

[@thelibrary2]

What makes the fantastic is that you pour your own interpretations and facts into these characters forcing the writers hand to acknowledge the points. Disrupting the threads of Star Wars ❤

[@l1uchill]

Great stuff!

[@SASSN1PA]

The way that Ewan and Hayden acted in the damaged mask scene honestly caused me to tear up. They both portrayed the emotions perfectly. This paired with the best use of lighting in the entire series made it one of my favourite ever star wars moments despite the flaws of the show.

[@martind.5257]

The most powerful thing to come out of this show for me and one that actually adds a great deal to the characters we love (Anakin/ Vader and then Obi Wan), if you allow it to become your canon, is that dialogue between the two. Some of the most meaningful moments in fiction are actually the ones which leave room for interpretation! When Anakin/Vader tells Obi that he didn't kill Anakin, but he himself did it (after Obi apologized to him), it almost seems like there is the light side shining through, as Anakin wants to lift Obi Wan of that burden, of that feeling of guilt. He himself is now taking responsibility for the way things went. I mean, was he really ready to kill Obi Wan? He wanted, but then again he didn't want to. After all he decided to bury him, instead of actually killing him in a way where he can be certain. He then walked away. On the orher hand, it could be that telling Obi Wan that he (Vader) killed Anakin, is the dark side, his massive ego really embracing what he has become and owning that path, taking away from Obiwan that he could possibly have had a part in shaping his future, telling him that he wasn't significant enough so he could have possibly done that, thereby trying to hurt him even more. I personally lean towards the former, also because of hayden's voice when he said the part about Obi not having any part in it. Then again, when he said "I did!" it's realy vadery and kind of evil. I don't know, maybe its both. The character stays ambivalent after all and holds sort of two peole. So who knows. Either way, seeing Anakin like this and hearing what he had to say, lifted the burden of guilt from Obi Wan and he could finally be free again. Very very powerful scene for me!

[@mashrubawazed4708]

Dude was literally smiling when he said “I did!” So yeah the former is most likely true.

[@olivermichalak7556]

I thought of Vader burying obi wan as Vader attempting to “bury his past”. Wonder if any other people thought this too cause I think it makes that scene even more interesting

[@martind.5257]

@@olivermichalak7556 Also very interesting indeed! So there us just lots of symbolism in all of this. Also with the red and blue light alternating with shining into Vader's/ Anakin's face

[@Disturbed2240]

Looking great rocking that beard, bro!

[@iwilrage]

Great details and arguments

[@rayrelford7364]

Love seeing Vader trying revert back to fighting like anakin for a moment. I think shows even more that Vader is heavily conflicted.

[@aubreyelwes2953]

I actually agree with most of what is said… although something that I think should be mentioned is how Vader uses the force to increase his mobility in the suit. When I was watching the last Kenobi episode, all I could think about was how fast Vader was moving given his lack of mobility. As he was being overpowered, you can see his switch from his personally developed single-handed form and he starts using faster techniques more reminiscent of his form V training. I imagine he could only achieve these fast, precise movements utilizing the force to propel them.

[@jeanlukeazraelazul8321]

So was doing some research into Harry Potter and ran into your Harry Potter Channel lol I had to make a double take when I heard your voice

[@tylercaracanas8690]

3:20 I totally agree and I think they were showing this by having a blue reflection in his face for a little bit and then how it totally turns to red. At least that’s how I took it. Was kind of like rebels vs Ahsoka where it was anakin for a little then switched to Vader

[@Kanig94]

He won because nothing beats the 'light-side-happy-flashbacks-when-the-main-character-almost-dies' Power

[@thomasfinan586]

Just watched ROTJ (6) and in the scene over Corrusant after the empire falls and the fireworks are going off you can see the Jedi Temple still in the background. Wonder what it was used for since the movie takes place 20/30 after Order 66. Maybe you could make a fan theory video or even is there explanation on what the Empire used it for? Love the content!

[@DromeG60]

Nice idea! Probably just a derelict old building though lol

[@WonkelDee]

Wasn’t it like Palpatines headquarters or something?

[@chillinsquirtle]

@@WonkelDee yeah

[@tedpertzborn1480]

EXCELLENT Palpatine impression. Well done, mate!

[@joesphruggiero3707]

Great stuff luv it