Why Venom In Spider-Man 3 FAILED.

[@cutsceneYT]

WATCH a 5 HOUR review of Spider-Man 3 on our new CutScene Patreon: www.patreon.com/cutscene Did you know about Venom's original death in Spider-Man 3? 00:00 - Intro 04:11 - The Making of Spider-Man 3 14:18 - The 'Alternative' Ending 21:56 - What Really Happened

[@Boom12]

Great shout for having Matt McMuscles on the show!

[@cutsceneYT]

LUKE: I love Matt's work, so it was an honour to have him on the show!

[@Toast960]

I always thought they should have given the symbiote its own trilogy. 4th film would have been Peter wearing the suit, 5th film would have been Spidey vs Venom, and 6th film would have had Carnage as a villain.

[@AronGKatz]

Yup Eddie Brock also needed more time to develop. His story made no sense

[@siegfriedc2332]

I remember someone suggesting this way back when; have Spiderman 3 be the end of the "Green Goblin" trilogy, then begin the 4th movie with Peter bonding with the symbiote, etc. Would've probably worked out better in the end. Though I did enjoy Spiderman 3 back in the day, I did always question the need for Sandman when they already had Venom. Definitely agree with the critics saying there were too many rogues. At least we can hope Tom's Spidey gets a chance to have a movie with Venom as the sole baddie one day.

[@Lunacorva]

There are people in the comments who are going to takeaway the message from this film that "This is why you don't listen to the fans." But that is absolutely the wrong lesson to learn. The lesson you SHOULD learn from this is "Don't make people write stories for characters they are not passionate about."

[@cutsceneYT]

LUKE: Exactly this. Spider-Man 3 didn't work because Venom was in it. It didn't work because it had too many cooks, and a chef who didn't fully believe in the recipe.

[@Lunacorva]

@@cutsceneYT It's the same mistake that ruined Man of Steel and Batman v Superman. Nolan wanted to right Batman instead of Superman, and Snyder wanted to write Rorsharch instead of Batman. They weren't invested in the characters they were actually writing for.

[@Double-R-Nothing]

I've accepted that we'll never see an official extended cut of Spider-Man 3, but damn if I don't want these deleted scenes released to the public, especially that alternate Venom death. Besides, fan edits are a thing, and talented people with Blender are more than capable of at least somewhat finishing the VFX

[@zedja71]

While I don’t think you should force a director to make parts of a film they aren’t passionate about, I do think there was a sort of stubbornness and lack of an open mind from Raimi that hindered the movie overall. Raimi claims that he connects to Spider-Man villains due to their relatability and “having a good heart” beneath the villain character, and that he couldn’t find that in Venom. Which is insane to me, because this is why Venom became so popular. You didn’t have to look very far in media to find examples of Venoms good side, from the Lethal Protector comics to the Spider-Man PS1 game, there were PLENTY of examples of Venom having the same humanity in him that Raimi found in his favorite villains. Raimi claiming he couldn’t see it with Venom is baffling, and makes me think he must’ve just read Venoms origin story and decided his opinions on the character then and there. Which is disappointing. This feels like the rare occasion where the producer has a better finger on the pulse of the fans than the director did. I as a 10 year old was so excited to see this movie solely for Venom, because Venom was my favorite. I can say with 100% certainty that I didn’t give a crap about Vulture, and wouldn’t have cared nearly as much if he were the replacement villain. Does that mean I think Raimi should’ve been forced to put Venom in when it compromised his creative vision? No. But I do wish he maybe would’ve had more of an open mind to the suggestion.

[@creed8712]

Categorically what Sony wanted from the film was ultimately what they got. It was the most profitable and it made them a ton of money and even after the fact venom proved to be extremely profitable. What’s more is that as far as the themes of the film the black suit worked great and I think if he had cared they should have put the symbiot on Harry or something

[@Double-R-Nothing]

He didn't want to do Venom because he *knew* he couldn't do the character justice. He didn't have the connection that he almost certainly had with Vulture. Thus, he was more confident he could bring out the full potential of him. If you look at the storyboards for Spider-Man 4, Vulture was gonna be VICIOUS, easily the most brutal and terrifying villain in the series.

[@KoolKeithProductions]

​@Double-R-Nothing to me it kinda felt like Sam was pouting. "You're making me put Venom in MY movie, so now I'm gonna do him dirty..." Let me say this, when l first saw SM3, I loved it. Hell, I STILL love it, but I do recognize now how poorly Venom was portrayed. They definitely needed to make this film a 2-parter. It's crazy they didn't think it would work in 2007, because they didnt want fans feeling like they saw half a movie, but the MCU would do that exact same thing in 2018 and 2019 to huge success.

[@Double-R-Nothing]

@KoolKeithProductions One of the reasons they didn't go for it was, they didn't know where to split it. Which I don't buy. You end part 1 with the transformation, leave audiences with the cliffhanger, then have part 2 be all about Venom

[@Thephantom95]

15:29 Wait a minute.......IT'S PURPLE SKELETON WHA HAPPUN MAN!!!!!!!

[@mariocollisionmaker]

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[@AcedeKlown]

Back then, after an emotional breakup, I decided to see this movie in the theatre. I always was a big Spidey fan, so I was sure this would cheer me up. Well, it didn't. Not only was the movie not that great, half the movie was about Peter and MJ's relationship issues. I left the theatre more depressed than I felt going in

[@ShinHakkai]

Luke got Spider-Matt to read the book, how cool is that?

[@Ragan31687]

16:09 It’s the Mediocre Spider-Matt! Awesome to see him add to this Wha Happun! 😎

[@Xehanort10]

16:23 The idea of the symbiote killing Eddie and basically wearing his skin is cool.

[@scotthamilton9515]

Great video as always Luke! Support CutScene!

[@K0nstantlyTragic]

I really enjoyed this. Keep up the good work, Luke.

[@cutsceneYT]

Thanks! Appreciate the views!

[@Alucard-A-La-Carte]

BAH GAWD, KING! THAT'S MATT MCMUSCLES' MUSIC!! He's by-GAWD a talkin'! He's by-GAWD a-happunin'!

[@seanchan4478]

This is the crossover I've been waiting for

[@MayorofPainsvilleDAN]

This is a really really good video. Good job everyone

[@beefy45]

Man the original sounds amazing

[@beefy45]

Finally! A new cutscene

[@KiidSaturn]

Love the Matt mcmuscles cameo. Especially cause ge loves wrestling too!!!

[@AndrewSWTN]

MATT MCMUSCLES!!!!!

[@garou119]

Matt Mcmuscles sent me, did not disappoint

[@cutsceneYT]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for checking it out!

[@flaffles87]

I remember I used to read movie novelizations back then just to have something exciting to look forward to to. The book satisfied me much more than the movie but I don’t really hate what we got. It’s just another source of media to enjoy.

[@cutsceneYT]

I love movie novelisations! Such an interesting insight into early scripts.

[@shimshambam]

Interestingly Adrian Lester’s character would be a recurring element in Spider-Man themed How it Should have Ended videos.

[@brownbelpois]

Missed opportunity to name chapter 3: Wha Really Happun in honor of the Matt McMuscles cameo. Regardless, still a great video!

[@cameroncola]

I was like 9 when it came out and it was my favorite movie ever lol

[@SideShowSel]

Great video D.A.D

[@bossbradley]

I think a hear a flop house talking! What happened??? 😂

[@cutsceneYT]

LUKE: Very honoured by the appearance !

[@hdafkaksbfabfbao77]

I did like Spider-Man 3 just wish they made Venom a bit beefier than Peter

[@Celtic1020]

So the book version was the original script. It just had added decriptions, you know, like a book.

[@Kilawpilath]

I am a Fan of Venom in the comic books. When I saw Spiderman 3, Venom felt out of place. Also the whole visual of Venom looked bad to me also. And the Final Death scene also seemed off. I had no problem with Sandman, or Goblin.. and I feel like if Venom had been removed from the script, And Vulture had been there in his place, maybe it could have been better. Then again.. I'm glad I never had to find out. That movie is for ever dead to me as being a bad Spiderman movie that shoe horned Venom into it.

[@isaacbear7115]

The Spider-Man 1 soundtrack is goated

[@cutsceneYT]

LUKE: AND THEY SAY THAT A HERO CAN SAVE US.

[@isaacbear7115]

@cutsceneYT VINDICATED!! I AM SELFISH I AM WRONG I AM RIGHT!!!

[@OptimusProvost]

I’ll join the Patreon when I finish the Shield breakup series

[@Jessejames7321]

Honestly, my only issue with Spiderman 3 is that Eric Foreman is no Eddie Brock.

[@cutsceneYT]

LUKE: This was very much the case when he was cast as well. Watching the film back for this video, it's amazing how quickly Grace falls into his Foreman routine.

[@SnapGrapplePop]

Is the 5 hour Patreon podcast just Oli telling Luke all the reasons why losing the goatee was a mistake? (I’m kidding, I assume it’s for movember) Also, really loved this vid!

[@cutsceneYT]

LUKE: How dare you. My moustache rules 😂

[@Rand0mHero713]

God I love this channel. Makes being a "nerd" for these topics even in my 30's comfortable. Can you do an episode about BatNips?

[@cutsceneYT]

LUKE: I'll add it to the list of topics.

[@Rand0mHero713]

@@cutsceneYT thank you D.A.D.

[@OptimusProvost]

I remember being so hyped for this movie and being so disappointed

[@P-Star7511]

While I actually enjoy Topher Grace's performance as Eddie Brock, I, too, have to agree that he was a miscast. Would've been better if they had gone with someone who actually looked like a truly definitive Eddie Brock. The blonde hair, the sheer size of a bodybuilder, a douchey personality, you name it.

[@ElmSt1984]

A well researched and informative video! The Raimi trilogy are my all time favorite films,and I've been a massive fan of Venom since his creation. And to this day(mainly because of Venom)Spider-man 3 remains the most anticipated movie of my life. I followed that film like a religion! I've seen it 8 times in the theater. And for me.the movie is flawed,sure. But in no way do I find it a bad movie. In fact,I think it's damn good. I am,however disappointed with how Venom was handled. I always wondered,well if Sam didn't know much about Venom and didn't understand the character,then why didn't others help him? Surely,other writers or producers knew about Venom? Hell,even Topher Grace was a massive fan. Yet,no one could even mention that Venom refers to himself as "We?" Even if you couldn't fit Venom in and developed as he should be,you still could get some of the simple things right...which they didn't. Still,though. I loved Spider-man 3 when I first saw it in 2007,and I still love it today. Always will.

[@johndoe9458]

You didn't have to show E.T.s glowing finger after saying that mate...

[@calebprescott440]

The Best Venom we Got was 2018-2024

[@Falcojay7]

Matt McMuscles :D

[@harveyburton7]

At least it gave us Bully Maguire. A pure cinematic masterpiece.

[@Evenheroescandie]

MATT - Mc -MUSCLES 👏👏👏👏👏

[@z3n_z]

I don't even care anymore......I LOVE THIS MOVIE 🔥 Also, I was expecting Luke to use some sort of Steiner Math to justify how GOOD Spider-Man 3 really is! 😂🍿

[@cutsceneYT]

LUKE: I have… mixed feelings on the movie 😅

[@jaycerrito3142]

Much like how Vince McMahon has gotten terrible as a booker in WWE, Avi Arad is a terrible producer in most movies and ruins the Sony Spider-Man movies particularly the Venom, Morbius and Madame Web movies

[@matthennessy146]

I honestly think it’s a decent film it has its flaws & it’s not as good as the first 2 but I still love it & it is a comfort film for me

[@alexdawson4571]

Seriously, why are people so snobby when it comes to comic books!? They’re just as much a viable form of story-telling as any other medium.

[@isaiahsturgis5037]

I personally believe this film is severely overhated, but it had its fair share of problems, and Venom was one of them. Eddie Brock motive was not justified and he was making a fake article of Spider man all because of validation, he felt less than a broken and lost man, and more of a Whiny loser

[@KaneA87]

I was on Patreon, but moving the last Monday Night War behind a paywall wasn't okay, so I've cancelled I'll just wait for the guy who pirates your Patreon content again

[@xavierwashington5408]

Damn right we grew up, Spiderman 3 was great, and Bullly Maguire was great and i knew it was great then.

[@crunchytomato20]

Lotta people switchin on it now, but real ones loved it since it came out

[@xavierwashington5408]

@crunchytomato20 ong, No Way Home came out and all of a sudden everyone loved Spiderman 3. Maaaan where were yall all them years ago??

[@foodigator8468]

Hi luke, who do you think is current Peter Parker, not spider man, but peter parker within entire wrestling industry- with great power comes great responsibility.

[@foodigator8468]

And I apologise for a comment related to wrestling though it's a video about movie analysis but couldn't resist. Thanks, love you , Oli and whole wrestletalk team.

[@AronGKatz]

It is proven that Sonys stubborness to bring Venom at the wrong time has always been a bad idea. Spiderman 3 (even though i love it) and all the Venom films are proof. Yes the Venom trilogy made money but none of them were critically acclaimed as good as Spidermans films or even the third

[@EnigmaticVayne]

Making money is the #1 goal of a movie. And the audience scores are high

[@AndrewJShirley]

Yeah, no for the spider man three being any good. Still dislike it strongly. I get the reasons for the role, but doesn't mean it changes how bad it was at times.

[@thebigo2467]

I will never not love Spider-Man 3. Is it a mess? Absolutely, but man it's a beautiful mess.

[@cutsceneYT]

Not only is it a beautiful mess, it's OUR beautiful mess.

[@masterrserch3971]

I love u guys, but I don't think anyone, even the actual editors of the film, have or SHOULD spend 5 hours on Spider-Man 3.... even with it actually never being as bad as these schmucks make it out to be; 5 hours is worse than overkill

[@bigevil1001]

Because he was boring and forgettable.