Why WANDA Did Nothing Wrong | Marvel Explained!

Wanda Maximoff is the great tragic hero of the MCU. Orphaned, used by HYDRA, used by Ultron, then scapegoated by the world. She was heroic enough to sacrifice the person she loved while fighting off an insane demigod with five infinity stones. This woman is one of the greatest heroes in the MCU, and yet she’s been vilified by fans.
In this video we explain why the events of Westview and WandaVision were not her fault, and that she is a victim of Agatha, the Darkhold, and the prejudice of the world around her.
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Written and Edited by Pavel Terehovsky (pavel8866.wixsite.com/pavelt) [e-mail]
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Wanda Maximoff is accused of taking Westview and its residents hostage. They say that her pain and grief didn’t justify her actions.
And sure, if you chose to look at things from that point of view, you might assume that Wanda did something highly immorale. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but that opinion makes you wrong. And that’s also dissrimination.
There is one undeniable truth, and it’s this: Wanda did nothing wrong.
And we have proof. This evidence shows that there are many mitigating factors that prove that Wanda is absolutely not at fault, that she is the real victim, and she is the greatest hero in the MCU. And no, I’m not being sarcastic, this video is 100% unbiased and honest.
This is the case of Wanda Maximoff v the people. And the evidence that proves, without any shadow of a doubt, that she did absolutely nothing wrong.
The inciting incident that led to the controversy is the Westview event. The accusation is that in her grief and pain, Wanda took over an entire town to create her own reality. That she held the residents of Westview hostage, controlling their mind to maintain her fantasy. And that the Hex was threatening the town and the rest of the world.
But that’s all mostly hearsay.
You see context matters, and the context is that there is a lot more to this story than it seems.
Some people run away from their problems. Like Tony Stark, who never accepted responsibility for all the bad things he had done. It was his missile that killed Wanda’s parents. It was Ultron, his creation, that killed Pietro. And his guilt made him misguided and righteous, as he spear-headed the Sokovia Accords, and those caused the Avengers to disassemble. And that is the reason why they lost against Thanos. And more importantly, it is the reason why Vision died. Twice. It’s all Tony Stark’s fault, he is the antagonist in Wanda’s story.
And did Tony ever apologize to Wanda for all the evil he caused her? Nope. Why? Because Tony runs away from his problems, and his guilt keeps blundering things for everyone else.
Unlike Tony, Wanda didn’t run away from her grief. She created a pocket reality, where she could deal with her pain in a healthy and mostly harmless way. She didn’t get to say goodbye to Vision, she needed proper closure, that’s what the Hex was all about.
It wasn’t about Wanda taking a whole town hostage, not at all.
I mean sure, those people didn’t agree to become part of Wanda’s reality-warping-therapy, but it wasn’t like Wanda hurt them or anything.
Let’s put things in perspective here, did Peter Parker and Doctor Strange ask the world if it wanted to be brainwashed? No. This self-centered teenager wanted to erase the world’s memory just so he could get into college. And these two dumb-dumbs almost broke reality because of their terrible communication skills.
They did it without asking anyone, because they were so high on their power that they thought themselves to be gods.
And oh yeah, Steven, we didn’t forget about you buddy. Don’t you worry, we are going to roast your magical butt very soon.
And did the residents of Westview have such a bad experience? Wanda entertained them with magic shows, dinners, they celebrated Halloween. This guy was unemployed before all of this, and Wanda gave him a job. That’s the problem with people nowadays, they always focus on the negative, forgetting about the good times.
Wanda is not some tyrant that invaded a small town. Wanda had no idea that what she’s doing might be causing anyone harm. She is a victim of her own magic, and of Agahta’s manipulations.
[clip] Some might use this moment as proof that Wanda was well aware of what she was doing.
But in truth Wanda was dealing with intruders. Vision bought the house in Westview, which makes Wanda a legal resident. Sword spied on her, they invaded her privacy, they even attacked her. She had both the moral and legal right to protect her home.

[@SleepyFen]

Wanda: Did nothing wrong The civilians: "Please, just let us die."

[@filip7253]

Good thing she let them go i guess

[@la_esmeralda444]

For sure, i would let them die :)

[@extremecentrism9796]

Yeah. I suppose putting a whole group of people into a position where they want to die and then taking your time contemplating whether or not to release them makes you a pretty okay person as long as you ultimately release them.

[@la_esmeralda444]

@@extremecentrism9796 Indeed. But she should have destroyed everything and everyone, actually, she was too kind 🙄

[@nicolemartiness7916]

The SWORD agent that went in and out of the town said that she wasn’t threatened or hurt BUT she felt sadness and pain that resolves from it.. she didn’t mean to put it on people, she didn’t mean to create that town reality on that level.. soo those “civilians” You just quoted should make, all of us actually, acknowledge the level of pain from loss and life experience one is feeling that comparing to another person who is able to feel only a peace of it cannot take it and wants to die to end that emotional pain..

[@adamthesportsfan2346]

This video feels like satire 😂. “It wasn’t like Wanda was hurting them or anything”

[@unclejimmy7]

Smash cut to one of Wanda's victims saying in no uncertain terms that Wanda is hurting him and he is suffering immensely.

[@Eltanin]

I'm pretty sure it IS satire. The way the video was constructed is so people would click and comment which helps with algorithm visibility but I highly doubt Ryan believes what he says in this script.

[@kevinsiedenburg4955]

I wouldn’t call it satire as much as extreme devils advocate.

[@dafphtthedislikeupdater7836]

@@kevinsiedenburg4955 Extreme Wanda apologist video probably done by Saul

[@akusworld5117]

it was agatha all along

[@Padaw8n]

Well this aged poorly.

[@malickfan7461]

It was already bullshit to begin with.

[@ioaninmihail6470]

@@malickfan7461 A huge bullshit , the Wanda " I would not hurt anyone-starter pack " - yeah tell that to the Illuminati and to the Kamar-Taj people , not to mention the suffering of the people of Westview .

[@KyleTaylor410]

😂😂😂

[@Neo2266.]

It was horrible to begin with

[@samesta5695]

I prefer not to be kidnapped

[@dispositionguise7467]

This video has to be a satire of the pro-Wanda arguments. She didn’t confront her grief. Taking a thousand people hostage in order to create a pocket reality where she could pretend that Vision was still alive is the epitome of emotional avoidance and denial. Definitely not a healthy approach to managing and overcoming grief. Wanda’s actions were intensely criminal.

[@xxqueenmiraculous2171]

If you say all of this... Aren't you also saying that Doctor strange is a villian. I mea he caused the whole galaxy harm for one boy for college. And yet.. He is not set up as the villian?

[@dispositionguise7467]

@@xxqueenmiraculous2171 I agree that Strange’s spell to brainwash the entire world was certainly unethical, and likely criminal, but it’s not as unethical or criminal as kidnapping, false imprisonment, and torture.

[@Teh8Swords]

Whataboutism programm activate

[@palerider9952]

@@xxqueenmiraculous2171 Doctor Strange also immediately tried to correct his mistake twice, and was only stopped by Peter trapping him. Literally not a single person was harmed by him.

[@percyjackson3885]

@@palerider9952 Wanda never meant to hurt anyone in Westview. Also let's not forget that she lost a lot. She lost her parents because of Tony Stark's weapons. She lost her twin brother because of Ultron. She lost the love of her life not once but twice. She hasn't had a moment to properly grieve about losing Vision. I mean she was Blipped and was thrown into another battle without a chance to breathe. I agree that she shouldn't have done that to the citizens of Westview. But she needed to grieve and people grieve in their own way. This was just her way of grieving.

[@heraldofwar]

Should have just called the video 'SIMPING for Wanda.'

[@DP3com]

Bottom line: none of those residents gave their consent to be a part of Wanda's town changing therapy session. Also, to say Wanda and Vision were intruded on is short sighted. Vision bought a plot of land for a house, NOT the entire town along with its residents. Wanda has a right to live alongside her new neighbors; not control them.

[@user-vr5zk9ox8d]

Pretty sure it’s satire, but I will also add that every crime consists of one individual placing their own selfish needs over that of another person. That’s exactly what happened.

[@juliettek.9440]

Satire or not her had a point when bringing up Spider man and Strange. It wasn’t until the world around him was falling apart that he at least wanted his friends to be accepted over himself.

[@garrettprince9343]

@@juliettek.9440 he went to the admissions lady to ask that just ned and Michelle be accepted

[@khushbutalwar1982]

Dude the whole universe too never gave their consent to get brainwashed by a forgetting spell so that peter and his friends could get into college duh

[@mauriciosaldivar5182]

She didn’t even know she could create that and once she did she wasn’t aware of the people she was controlling that’s how powerful she is like he said she’s a victim of her own power

[@kookies5299]

Tony Stark: Creates/enables a problem, then finds a solution, fights heroically--which includes self-sacrifice in order to save civilians as well as his Avenger colleagues and friends. That makes him a villain. Wanda: Creates/enables a problem, atones, fights heroically, deals with loss, falls in love, lover dies, mishandles grief, mentally/physically tortures a civilian population, evades justice, decides to study and improve the knowledge of the powers that allowed her to enslave a civilian population... That makes her a hero?

[@higharmknew2grandmar106]

then there's Doctor Strange: "I'm a immenensely powerful sorcerer, why do I need to give a f*ck about you're stupid moral codes, I'm just gonna protect the Earth and having fun while not doing so" That's make him a good guy?

[@phamhien2590]

@@higharmknew2grandmar106 My biggest frustration with WandaVision was that in a show that was so much about dealing with trauma and having empathy for people with trauma, it also chose to use Monica (someone who was traumatized) to essentially mark the other people hurt at Westview as if they are ungrateful for what Wanda has sacrificed for them. The implication being that victimized people would be grateful to their victimizer if only they knew what the victimizer went through and “sacrificed” is kinda a slap in the face for me, especially in a show that painstakingly tried to paint a story of empathy for traumatized people. Wanda should be sympathized with, Wanda deserves better, Wanda’s trauma explains what she does and is incredibly understandable and she is not a villain no matter what some other people try to paint her as, however it really jarred me that a show that was so much about empathy, had a moment essentially throwing other traumatized people under the bus. It didn’t need to be there, that moment, and for me it undermined the message of the show. Not enough to ruin the show or make me hate Wanda or whatever, but enough to make me wonder if the folks at Marvel really care about how they portray stories of trauma, or is it just we should only care about trauma when it’s happening to the main characters. But this is kinda a pattern that I personally have felt from Marvel shows, that they continuously end up undermining their main message. I had the same issues with the messaging in TFATWS and Hawkeye as well.

[@phamhien2590]

@@higharmknew2grandmar106 But anyways, that’s not the fault of Wanda though, and I love WandaVision giving her the humanity and complexity she deserves and it is so freaking weird to see some people so vehemently angry or hateful about her given that most of the MCU heroes have also had plenty of blood on their hands and made mistakes and that even includes the deified icon that is Steve Rogers. Wanda’s complexity doesn’t make her a villain and she’s not a villain. Even without knowing all the years in the comics of her with the West Coast Avengers, it’s clearly obvious that Wanda even in the movies alone, is not villainous. She’s traumatized and yes sometimes that trauma leads her to do questionable things, but that’s not villainy. CONTEXT MATTERS. I think a lot of people are so quick to put characters into good or bad labels that they forget characters can be both, just like people in real life can be both. It also honestly does scare me how often that trauma and mental health issues is essentially equated/demonized to villainy in media and in society.

[@NicTheGreek1979]

@@phamhien2590 I never got to say goodbye to my mum when she died, I didn't take it out on anyone else. Wanda is acting like a villain, and she knows it.

[@artsreigns5010]

Huh? Strange turned back time to save d world from durmamu, tried wiping peoples minds to save peter and gave Thanos d infinity stone to save tony cuz d only time they won was when Tony was alive He's arrogant and bites off more than he can chew sometimes yes but he is a good guy

[@jcekap9522]

"Tony is the villain of Wanda's Story." *Shows a clip of him stopping the Hulk's rampage caused by Wanda.* "He runs away from his problems." *Shows. A Clip. From. The. Snap.* "His Guilt gets in the way." *....* *Claims this is not a satire, then ...this.*

[@christianrapper]

People still don’t get that it’s satire. LOL the beginning of the video should have made it obvious.

[@Lucaintheninjatank]

@@christianrapper The problem is he also stated that this is 100% not satire... So sure while that could also have been satire it just confuses the whole thing and would of been better left out of the video if it's actually satire.

[@pktemsinsook7155]

The snap happen so late. What he said about running from problems unironically apply to Tony 100%. From his arms dealing days to creating Ultron. Not saying Tony’s a bad guy but worshiping him and said he did nothing wrong is ironically what the video did with Wanda.

[@Lucaintheninjatank]

@@pktemsinsook7155 Except Wanda's mind control is what caused Tony to build Ultron in the first place.

[@pktemsinsook7155]

@@Lucaintheninjatank It “played” a part. It’s ultimately Tony’s decision. “What we needed was suits of armor around the world whether it affects our precious freedom or not” that’s Wanda too?

[@devindavidson4334]

"Basically harmless"! In the final episode, one of the residents was literally begging for death because they were under so much mental anguish in the hex. Letting Wanda go scot-free at the end took all of the teeth out of the show, which had been up to that point an interesting meditation on how inappropriately dealing with grief can cause even more pain for those around us.

[@bluecheesewithwings2105]

Yeah i posted a comment saying I'd rather die then have a edgy woman in my head 24/7

[@mrbravefish]

But did she really get away scot free? What happens in one MCU show/movie has repercussions further down the line. So while Wanda may not have had any consequences at the end of WandaVision, it doesn’t mean there are no consequences. That is what the MCU brings us, a show that doesn’t end with the show and that ties in with a larger narrative further down the line.

[@shreeya3789]

She didn't know that tho? Only when agatha made people speak was she able to identify what her powers were doing and she let go of them on the same evening.

[@brianm3160]

Didn't Strange f up the Multiverse after his spell? Did the TVA arrest him? No? O.o

[@devindavidson4334]

@@shreeya3789 lol, where the heck did she think all the folks she was interacting with on a daily basis came from?

[@axson8]

Wanda: Look at them! There happy with me doing this to them! Slave owners: Look at them! there singing songs in the field! There happy with me doing this to them!

[@thefunnyhatter7390]

Reminds me of the scene with Ben Kingsly's character, in Night of the Museum 3, talking about the Hebrews.

[@mr.t107]

Yeah, Wanda was wrong. That's it , you don't get to enslave people and act like it was virtuous. The world doesn't cater to anyone, it's not right to use others just so you can heal yourself. Also just because other avengers did wrong things does not justify her own actions. Tldr: if you wanna heal, do it yourself. Don't enslave a town to aid in your healing process

[@Kayla-cs9cs]

I don't know man. Wanda is one of my favourite characters and I really love the psychological characterisation they gave her. I don't condone the "enslaving" as you say, but I think that what she did was pretty human. I lost my dad when I was little and let me tell you, I spent way too much time daydreaming about a life where he was still alive (and then I started therapy, as Wanda probably should do as well). What I am saying is that everyone copes in a different way and I can't really blame Wanda for what she did after all the pain she went through. She just fell deep down and, hitting the ground (when she saw the non-existent house she was supposed to live with Vision), her powers did everything. I believe that she only had the need to re-elaborate everything and she was not aware of the harm she was causing to the people of Westview. I think that anyone with Wanda's power could and probably would've like to do it. The same pocket-reality without mind-controlled people wouldn't be that bad, in my opinion (even though, at some point, she has to realise and accept Vision's death).

[@fizzle7421]

@@Kayla-cs9cs The biggest issue I see with what you're saying is there is a difference between "doing nothing wrong" and "I don't blame them". Do I get it? Of Course. She was grieving, in a poor state of mind, and reality breaking powers. It totally could have been a lot worse. But what she did was wrong. Even if the torture was Agatha, a) Agatha wouldn't have had the opportunity to do something like that if Wanda hadn't put them there in the first place and b) it's still kidnapping.

[@kixthemedic]

Wanda had no idea she would enslave the whole town she just thought that she would get vision alone and the house. Also once Wanda was fully aware of the hex’s affects she let them all go and then scarified her family for them and Ryan explains that it was Agatha tortureing them and Wanda was entertaining them.

[@Kayla-cs9cs]

@@kixthemedic exactly. Wanda only wanted Vision to come back to life and she didn't mean harm to anyone.

[@fizzle7421]

@@Kayla-cs9cs her intentions don't matter though in the discussion of whether what she did was right or wrong. How we feel about it doesn't either.

[@emblazen6442]

I really hope this is satire, otherwise there is something very wrong here.

[@TheTimberwolf44]

"She created a pocket reality where she could deal with her pain in a healthy and mostly harmless way" That word mostly doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

[@kylespevak6781]

Mostly peaceful

[@levilaxton2247]

@@kylespevak6781 LOL, yes!

[@tarotxiii9830]

"Please kill us if you won't free us" They loved it and had fun

[@higharmknew2grandmar106]

yeah, it's actually the most harmless way. She could go into a rampage and kill everyone but nah, she just created a safe place for her mind and let the wounds heal

[@tarotxiii9830]

@@higharmknew2grandmar106 Or she could not have done that a grieved in her room or something.

[@jamesmcvann]

Screen crush: Wanda enslaved people but since I wouldn't mind being enslaved, its not wrong to do it to others! That's proof!

[@spacecadet9852]

I think you miss the point, this video was made for discourse over the subject, and presenting a completely opposite opinion from the norm is a good way to do that.

[@charleskilgore2679]

@@spacecadet9852 No. Some things are just arbitrarily wrong. Kidnapping and enslavement is wrong. Full Stop. There is no mitigation.

[@quzar3291]

@@charleskilgore2679 her saying you break the rules and become a hero isnt referencing that because wanda apologised to strange saying she was sorry about westview and he says im not here to talk about westview. Does not at all justify what she did but she wants to be better.God i hope MoM does something cool with her and doesnt just make her an evil psycho

[@ziletales]

@@quzar3291 What about the trauma the people she controlled are going through? Imagine for two weeks someone takes control of you, implants new memories and makes you do things against your will.

[@quzar3291]

@@ziletales youre right she cant be let go scot-free.But i believe she can be better than a full on murdering psychopath in MoM.I just want to see her held accountable but still be the wanda who knows love and compassion cause its very easy to see you and your loved ones suffer and become a bad guy to avenge it but the most heroic thing is accepting your tragedies and still working for the better of the people who wronged you.Thats what spiderman is.He's been through a lot yet is still a lovable hero who could have very well snapped and went dark but didnt.I want Wanda to be the same.

[@mendesarmy]

as a wanda fan i’m not sure I entirely agree with ALL of this… wanda didn’t create westview to deal with her grief - she was running away from it. that was kind of the whole point of changing decade each episode. everytime the fantasy started falling apart, the next morning, she would wake up in a new decade to run farther away from the truth (subconsciously).

[@nomercyinc6783]

and thats why the show is fucking trash. a show in a show is just stupid. the laugh track made me turn it off the first time it came on. its NOT a good show and white vision is fucking dumb

[@madnessarcade7447]

But she did end up getting closure by the end of it

[@allister.trudel]

it's like you said, "subconsciously". She didn't wake up one day and decide to take a little town hostage. It happened in some... explosion of grief? And sure, once she finally understood what was going on, she didn't have the best reaction right away (her confrontation with SWORD in the field resulting in expanding her... enchantment? But eventually she did the right thing, and this whole experience did allow her to grieve the possibilities that her relationship with vision once held. She said goodbye to her family to free the town.

[@aanyamallick7747]

Her grief was threatening. Everytime there's a reminder to the outside world, specifically her grief : Pietro, Ultron, The Avengers etc The decade changes

[@suryaditaufan7285]

but the first stage of griefing is denial tho

[@ThatGirlWithanOpinion]

One thing you did hit on that has bothered me for a long time: Wakanda was in possession of Vision’s body after IW, and his “dissection” didn’t start until after Endgame. Who gave his body up? Or at the very least who let his body be taken?

[@testfire3000]

That is true! At the end of IW, Vision's body lay lifeless on Wakandan soil. All we had left of the Avengers were Cap, Banner, War Machine, Black Widow and Thor. I can see Cap taking the body of a fallen comrade home for burial, but I don't see him turning him over to the government, with or without Tony's permission. (Tony created Ultron who created Vision, I guess I see a chain of "ownership"). I think the dissection did start earlier, probably during the Blip. It is hard to dismantle something made of the strongest metal on Earth. (Especially if you are secretly trying to study it to put it back together). My big question is why the US government decided they needed such a big agency like SWORD anyway? I mean, how many intelligent weapons are there that the USA puts together this giant agency just as a "Sentient Weapon Observation and Response Division". Is that all they do, look around for smart weapons? And what kind of "Response" are they supposed to do if they find one? lol

[@Vor567tez]

@@testfire3000 SWORD probably planned after the first Avengers - alien battle.

[@BrokenSoulConfession]

Shuri was in charge of Vision's lifeless husk. With her being gone, Sword likely swooped in to reclaim their property.

[@dellytancyl524]

According to the Sokovia accords, Vision's body belongs to the US the Wakandans could not keep it.

[@alexanderrique579]

@@BrokenSoulConfession I don't think shuri even knew he was a lifeless husk she snapped out before seeing him

[@frmnwhere]

I think you’re skimming over the fact that the townspeople were literally feeling her pain and grief too, against their will at that. No matter how you look at it, Wanda had no right to do that.

[@matrixfizure7208]

You didn’t watch the full video huh?💀

[@wandastarfox]

no one cares abt them westview people lol.

[@nianicole4066]

I also think we’re forgetting that the MCU As a whole is leading down the path of house of them so she could’ve did that shit to the whole world but instead she did it to bum ass New Jersey so I guess you know Yang Yang

[@nianicole4066]

House of M*

[@bluecheesewithwings2105]

@@matrixfizure7208 why does he need to watch the whole video of a dude ranting about why Wanda can break laws because she's "sadder" . It's called an opinion , and it's like he was just saying she can break laws because she's depressed

[@gabrielmurray929]

To say she did nothing wrong is totally false, remember one character literally told her they would prefer death than continue going through the hex.

[@nikeee318]

Yes and 3 minutes later she freed them. + Wanda has lived with that pain for years. And who helped her with that pain. No one.

[@nikeee318]

I'm not saying Wanda's amazing and all that. But for people to say she's evil for having emotions and letting them flow out in to the world is absurd. Wanda has powers that affect reality. And because she's still quite young. Her emotions and her powers act according to one another, sometimes without much control. Wanda has been losing loved ones for long. And her powers gave her a safe place to deal with them. Yes, she held people hostage and at some point she knew. But she didn't know how the spell worked, and how her mind leacked into the other people's minds. Did Wanda do something good. No. Is she a terrorist vilian who wants people to suffer. No. But her powers are very hard to operate. And she needs guidence. (which she only got from Agatha at the literal end of the show). What I'm saying is that Wanda needs some compassion and guidence, which are going to help her restrain herself from acting the way she did in the show. She's not a hero, but she's not a monster either.

[@earpiercing]

@@nikeee318 so if i feel bad its okay to enslave a village

[@gabrielmurray929]

@@nikeee318 I didn't say she was evil. I agree with the general point of your comment I was just pointing out that it's insane to say she didn't do anything wrong. If we are going purely by intentions then I could say incorrectly mind you that Tony didn't do anything wrong in Age of Ultron because none of the bad things that happened there were his intention even though yes it was obviously worse than what Wanda did.

[@RageGamer15]

Yeah but not willingly. She didn't know that they were getting hurt

[@Skybreaker1337]

I will assume you were sarcastic while saying you were not sarcastic. That's the only way I can keep believing we do not live in a simulation, because there is no way in any reality of any multiverse those takes can be serious.

[@dillonbarlow8046]

I like how after you say there’s no pain you put in the clip where someone admits there in pain. Also Spider-Man stated that he want Ned and Mj to have there normal live back. It wasn’t about just him.not to mention how Dr strange was cut from Wanda Visions final episode

[@xavierscott11]

Nope. Even if you're a hero, even if you're a victim, even if you're suffering, you do not get to hurt other people and still be considered a sympathetic or heroic character. I don't hate Wanda, I even like the idea that she might be going to the dark side. But she DID do wrong.

[@ligub2363]

Yes exactly

[@adamsavage2646]

Well its objective that if you save innocent people, youre a heroic character

[@xavierscott11]

@@adamsavage2646 Understood. That does make her heroic. However heroism isn't an immutable status. After her heroism, she did villainy.

[@plant3580]

I still stan. Yall overreacting

[@AndreGallagher]

This guy is a walking victim machine. Horrible take

[@mediadunce653]

6:05 Didn’t Wanda cause the Hulk to go on that rampage, though?

[@max1999_]

Yes, albeit under the influence of Ultron

[@zapmenhightide9233]

@mlp lover Wanda gave Ironman visions of all his friends being dead and the World being invaded so then Iron Man decided to create Ultron because of Wanda

[@christianrapper]

That was his point. His argument isn’t serious. That’s why he showed clips that contradicted the points that she did nothing wrong.

[@insusceptiblez5683]

4:22 So did hitler make jobs 4:55 So did hitler protect his homeland from "intruders" 5:45 hitler also made a small town suffer to let him deal with his daddy issues 6:24 Vision, like Germany post WWI was also abused by literally everyone from the allied powers 7:35 All of that could have been easily averted with treating germany better and giving hitler therapy 12:15 So did hitler "save" the german aryans from the jews And as the video said 11:25 "And that's all the proof we need." I'm just saying- I enjoyed building up the comment above to show how truly pathetic the strawman argument truly is to the point where I used one of the most despicable people in existence (hitler). I honestly really thought the guy was trolling because of how pathetically weak his argument is. Almost half of the video was talking about the topics that honestly didn't matter to what she did and doesn't justify anything. If anything, even if Dr. Strange and Iron Man are wrong and evil, then it still doesn't make her right as well, right? If anything, it just makes all of them wrong and evil which still doesn't excuse a dead loved one. I'm sorry, it must hurt losing someone but that is the objectively wrong way of approaching "mourning". But that is one of the reasons her character is so compelling and polarizing. So morally wrong, yet scarily human no matter how you look at it. I'd honestly call her quite similar to another character (even down to them wanting to reunite with their loved one in any way possible) which is Otto Apocalypse from Honkai.

[@brianm3160]

You're comparing a fictional character to a real world threat?💀

[@insusceptiblez5683]

@@brianm3160 I mean... I don't see a counterargument why my comparison is wrong... so based on the logic of the video, it must be true.

[@spritvio639]

Dude, you can't compare what Strange and Peter did to Wanda. What they were doing is morally questionable, but I know I'd much rather forget someone than be subject to a godlike being fir a few days.

[@themanonwheels.1890]

Morally questionable? You're being like the Scarlet Witch fans that thinks what Scarlet Witch did isn't wrong. Peter didn't ask any college institutions that rejected them to reconsider. Strange agreed in doing the spell even if it would mean they'll tamper with reality. Brainwashed the whole world. Didn't ask the kid first what exactly is it that he wants. Listened to Peter even if he never tampered a spell before. Sure, forgetting something is the lesser evil between the two but you can't justify that just because it's the lesser evil between the two. It's still wrong.

[@Kayla-cs9cs]

I think he was not comparing the moral aspect but more the "can/cannot" part. When Strange used his powers in the first movie or in Spiderman 3 he could do it pretty easily with no repercussions. On the other hand, when Wanda uses her powers, she's conceived as a villain. Ignoring the moral aspect, these two instances mean "one (Strange) can do what he wants and the other (Wanda) can't"

[@dutch7207]

​@@Kayla-cs9cs he called peter wish selfish but he did because his problems started ruining mj and neds life that isnt selfish. He even asked the uni teacher to let mj and ned in not himself

[@MrStefanops]

It seems many Wanda fans are trying to justify what she did, but I became a huge fan of hers precisely because of this darker side, i think it made her a more compelling and interesting character.

[@rikkyun04]

Made her more human

[@definitelynotabot1743]

I'm a Wanda fan, and I'm not trying to justify her actions. She is a deeply flawed character, but she's not some evil psychopath.

[@thatomanaka323]

That's true what she did was totally wrong

[@brianquincyscott1955]

Right...kidnapping is still kidnapping even if the victim is comfortable.

[@moriahmars1462]

@@brianquincyscott1955 Just because wanda's a bad person doesnt mean she cant be interesting

[@TaylorFalk21]

Didn’t you do a video about Agatha being the hero of WandaVision, and Wanda was actually the true villain?

[@plkrtn]

All that matters is... *click click click click click click*

[@caricaturesbydon]

This is Ryan from an alternate universe. That's why his shirt changed colour for a few seconds. Or... something...

[@braedensoule5973]

Ah the power hungry witch who threatened children. A true hero.

[@Average-Joe851]

There is a thing called "changing your mind".

[@Smooveandpretty]

@@caricaturesbydon I noticed that too

[@ZeroKhaoTiKz]

Even the road to hell is paved with good intentions. By your logic, John Q did nothing wrong, even though he took a whole hospital and held the people inside hostage to save his dying son. What she did to Westview in her grief-stricken state was still wrong. It doesn't matter who else tried to profit off of the situation.

[@bloodnivel70]

out of all fictional characters you had to pick a black man? lmao

[@ZeroKhaoTiKz]

@@bloodnivel70 Well, I'm black... and it's one of my all time favorite movies. So...

[@colonelb]

One of the things that I really dig about all of the Disney+ series so far is that there is much more moral ambiguity. The Flag Smashers in FATWS do have a point: people had been moving on for 5 years and taking that away overnight is a bit messed up. He Who Remains in Loki may actually have been right that the TVA was the lesser of two evils. And how much was Wanda and how much was Agatha was never clearly delineated. Compare the Disney+ moral ambiguity with someone like the Red Skull or Hydra or Thanos and they were much more one-dimensional in their villainy by comparison.

[@juliangonzalez4038]

Such an intelligent statement.

[@keelahrose]

There is zero justification for what Wanda did to those people. Zero. Agatha may not have been trapped by the spell, but there's no evidence that she did anything directly to help enslave the people. She encouraged Wanda to go farther, which makes her guilty by association because she didn't stop her, but this is on Wanda, 100%.

[@juliangonzalez4038]

@@keelahrose you have it completely wrong fella. Because if she’s bad than so is iron man and everyone else who made small mistakes. She will redeem herself, and that was a small slip up from everyone she loved dying.

[@colonelb]

@@juliangonzalez4038 yeah exactly - a huge part of the MCU as a running theme is that there is always fallout from mistakes - The damage in the battle of NY, Ultron, Sokovia, The Multiverse, etc., and that's a running theme that was the main theme of Civil War which is to what extent are heroes causing more harm than good and how do we handle that especially if it's the result of bad judgement like Ultron

[@keelahrose]

@@juliangonzalez4038 It's not a "small slip up" to deliberately enslave hundreds of people, separate them from their children and force them to dance to your tune like a bunch of puppets. And I'm not a fella. Wrong on two counts.

[@oldsara4091]

Wanda did not ask the people of the town if they wanted their free will to be taken away. She was controlling them. So yeah she did do A LOT of things wrong for HER benefit not the people of the town.

[@AlloyXXVIII]

so applicable to todays world too

[@jgdae930]

Wanda did not ask or should you say no chance to ask people since it happened spontaneously, she just visited the lot address and due to her breakdown, it happened, along the way bit by bit trying to find out too, she had no idea what's been happening and in ep8 does not even know how it started. She just go with the flow and what she know is that no one is getting hurt (which happens to be a torture to the residents, and wanda does not have that info, you can see her reaction in the last ep and made the residents let go after finding out)

[@dipanshumodi5348]

That's what Spiderman did too and he gets away like ik no one knows that he is Peter Parker but for Wanda she lost her family too... the only thing that made her feel comfortable

[@williampearson6299]

It's weird because in today's society you can always find people to willfully sign their rights away

[@jgdae930]

@@dipanshumodi5348 I agree, but to say she lost her family is actually an understatement. She had to experience it thrice and a loop. It must be hard for her to deal to it everytime- lost her parents at a young age, lost her twin bro who literally the only family she had left. She somehow found comfort and love again with Vision but did not last long coz she had to sacrifice him for better good. Sacrificing the only person she has is heartbreaking what more knowing that you can't even give him proper burial and send off- SEEING HIM BEING DISMANTLED IN FRONT OF YOU and at the same time finding out that Vision planned their future ahead that he even bought a lot to settle after. Lastly, unconsciously she created a world where she can be happy only to find out that it was torturing people and hurting them that you need AGAIN to let go of your kids and Vision. Not to justify her doings she still kidnapped an entire town but it was not intentional. I am hoping she can get a happy ending in Doctor Strange but I doubt since seems like she'll go nuts because of what happened in the past. Still hoping haha

[@phoule76]

It would be interesting hearing a lawyer's opinion on the matter? Mass kidnapping? Brainwashing, ie cult indoctrination?

[@lexruptor]

Only if the lawyer is Doctor Strange, so the lawyer also understands grief's effects on newly unlocked unlimited power, you know, so the lawyer knows she isn't actually at fault here.

[@tybosh6961]

Let’s just hope she has daredevil on her side lol

[@ippokratismargiouklas2791]

@@tybosh6961 aka a really good lawyer

[@keithwoodcrest]

My wife's a lawyer, I'll ask her lol. It'd be cool to see a channel like Legal Eagle or someone do a video covering that, if they haven't already

[@immanuela209]

@@keithwoodcrest That would be dope. I’d be really interested in hearing her opinion!

[@jericho7173]

"Wanda didn't run away, she just created your own pocket universe" LMAO

[@persesmojo5530]

Ah yes the "slaves are singing in the field so they must be happy" defense

[@damientom]

Perhaps Wanda doesn't have a criminal mind; and perhaps Wanda had diminished responsibility; Wanda was clearly antagonised further - BUT!!! She still harmed the towns folk.

[@hetvisampat]

Exactly

[@Gabilo911]

Correct. But not only that, at some point she is made aware of what she's doing, and yet she keeps doing it. Yeah she regrets it, but it's already done. Plus comparing the mistakes of Tony doesn't makes hers any better.

[@lexruptor]

False. Her POWERS did, and as we know, she was under extreme stress, with newly buffed piwers she couldn't quite control in her grief. She did nothing, as much a victim of herself as they were.

[@justsomejoyousj]

UNINTENTIONALLY HARMED THE TOWNSFOLK!

[@hetvisampat]

@@lexruptor yeah but just because you are suffering you can't torture others. Like she even locked a child in the cupboard for days as the kid was not fitting in a reality. i know she was under extreme pain and lost control of her powers but after some time she knew what she was doing and countinued.

[@CelticShaman.]

even if Wanda was a victim to her own powers, that does not absolve her what she did. you dealing with your grief and trauma cannot come at the cost of other people's autonomy. Wanda is not innocent and the story is all the better for it.

[@elishawilson5342]

She didn't mean to nor did she know what happened

[@Angel-fx8by]

I agree she isn't fully innocent even though what she did wasn't on purpose but she still put a whole town through emotional pain. However I don't like when people only come after her when other avengers have done far worse things that which led to killing people but she didn't kill one single person when creating the hex.

[@iongaminghavefun]

Agree

[@asadullaahmed9945]

she didn't know they were getting hurt and she even don't know how or why or even her past when she did it and yes wanda knew what was she doing in episode 3,4 but that was after she started living happy and gave birth to her children tell me would you give up the children you just gave birth to just like that she was all alone so she didn't wanted to be like that again wanda is not bad

[@anubhabbhattacharyya6033]

I don't get how people keep coming at her for what she did..don't forget that once she realised what her mistake was, she had to let go of not only vision for the 2nd time, but her two sons too.

[@Sorel2020]

Let's not forget Dr. Strange was supposed to show up in the last episode of Wandavision to set her straight. But was cut because they thought it would be problematic for a man to correct a woman...

[@DaMaster012]

"Torturous but mostly harmless annexation and casting of the Imperius Curse on an entire town." - SCreeNN Crush

[@xdraconicgaming5204]

Im sorry, but youre simply incorrect. No entity has the right to negatively impact the life of another. You have the right to negatively impact yourself, but never have the right to negatively impact another. she did just that, therefore she is in the wrong. you are responsible for every action you take, your actions define you.

[@matrixfizure7208]

You didn’t watch the full video huh?💀

[@xdraconicgaming5204]

@@matrixfizure7208 I watched the whole thing. This statement was made in regards to his opener and still applies. Scarlet Witch blatantly negatively impacted the whole town of westview. She is not innocent at all.

[@jerm1222]

He even mentions that Dr. Strange nor Wong stopped her for some reasons... But why would they need to stop her if she wasn't doing anything wrong? Also, the fact that parents were separated from their children and not being able to see their children is wrong. We don't know that Agatha had the town of Westview under her manipulation, to be honest I don't think so. Wanda could've made a pocket reality without including the town of Westview. Finally, if she knew that she was holding the people of Westview hostage, why didn't she stop immediately? She waited until they were being chocked to death by her magic. Not to mention the shortcomings of the other heroes do not excuse her erroneous use of magic.

[@xdraconicgaming5204]

@@jerm1222 All extremely valid points that further explain mine. Agatha was NOT brainwashing the town. Wanda was. Agatha admits to doing all the little things to fuck with wandas plan but she didnt create the alternate reality westview. I think anyone in their right mind would see her as a villian in her own story. Thank you for backing up my point.

[@qwertiepie]

Not buying it dude, Wanda took the town hostage Wanda had a mental breakdown and dragged folks along in her suffering. You are right with Tony Stark being a bigger bad though 😉

[@lexruptor]

What part of "new powers, not in control, grief" don't you get? There's no buying, just understanding the facts.

[@lexruptor]

@@RO-ww9iy No hook to get off of

[@pratyushpavansaikia8161]

She didn't do that intentionally. She wasn't even aware of what she's actually doing. But the moment she realised she corrected all by herself.

[@qwertiepie]

@@lexruptor I understand the premise. I'm just disagreeing with it. Do you get that?

[@gatex33d74]

@@pratyushpavansaikia8161 sorry I killed a million people, it was a mistake! Oops!

[@trollfack2966]

WHAT? Everyone in Westview was in agonizing pain, and their children were locked up somewhere without food or water.

[@gandan1357]

One of the poor tortured victims tells her that if she isn’t going to let them go then at least let them die…

[@fatfingergaming5246]

Horrific take... and I mean horrific take. That said, Wanda being one of the bad guys of wanda vision wasn't a bad thing. I liked the fact Wanda did something evil because of her grief. Before Wanda vision she was bland to me, a background character. When she threw the drone at the FBI dude and turned the guns on him, that was the first time I felt something for the character. That's what flaws do... thats why Tony stark was great, and all the other references you brought up to defend Wanda. They all did sh!tty things trying to fix situations... so does 100% of the world, and that's why 100% of this world can connect with heroes like that.

[@juliusferrer2071]

Wanda didnt click to u from her early movies? Just after Wanda did red eye to the drone????!!!! Gosh. How much you not like a hero having magical power? Does magical hero looks bland to you?

[@justplays1547]

Bro it’s a Saul Goodman take on Wanda. Take the evil person and convince everyone he’s not

[@fatfingergaming5246]

@@juliusferrer2071 I can tell you I didn't miss hulk when he wasn't in a movie. Hulk is basically comic relief in the movies, and in end game... yikes... had they actually killed him off I would have felt nothing. Thor is a living God, take out a character arc of being a spoiled brat and working towards being a hero, he's bland and I wouldn't go and watch a movie about him. You can create the most bad a$$ powerful hero all you want, but that's not what makes someone interesting to watch.

[@fatfingergaming5246]

@@justplays1547 that makes sense then... I knew who the character he kept showing was, but never watched that show, and only watch highlights of breaking bad. Therefore the tongue and cheek "I'm being serious" went over my head.

[@jakinluk2513]

I'm pretty sure this is satire. The editing literally contradicts what the guy is saying and I doubt this person is just that dumb

[@SurlockGnomez]

You can't defend someone's actions by comparing them to others. Otherwise everyone would just be compared to Stalin or Mao and be told they did nothing wrong. It was not her property that she was defending as she took over the town by force. Just because someone wronged her and she's a victim doesn't mean she has a free pass to wrong others. Similarly just because she did something good doesn't then mean they can then do something bad. She let the town go not because she became aware of their grief, pain and torment but rather that the townsfolk were suddenly free to complain about it to her face. The family she created wasn't "real" so that did count towards her breaking reality (you seem to need to do some pretty extreme things in order to meat your definition of bad/wrong). It's not Dc Strange's job to monitor or coach her it's Wong's. Everything that was said can also be applied to Agatha meaning she did nothing wrong and so cannot be used as a scapegoat for Wanda. Pushing the blame onto someone else via responsibility (Wong's job) or influence (Agatha) can be applied to everyone as nobody is in a closed system. This also means she (and therefor everyone else) has no or reduced accountability for their own actions. An argument that is all to familiar in our own society; leading there to be double standards for certain groups. May as well continue this line of argument by saying it was all Kang's fault and she had no choice but to follow the timeline he laid out.

[@christinlawrence1903]

If I ever need a lawyer I’m calling you lol @surlockG

[@16zibo]

@@christinlawrence1903 you going to jail lmao

[@MrBazBake]

I mean, if you compare Hitler to Stalin and Mao he still looks pretty bad.

[@xxqueenmiraculous2171]

And yet Doctor strange isn't a villian? He could've destroyed the whole galaxy and yet... Everyone is upset about a town. Doctor strange would be the one hated by everyone. At least she fixed what she did. Because of what doctor strange did, the multi verse is falling apart (and Sylvie but we aren't talking about her right now)

[@SurlockGnomez]

@@xxqueenmiraculous2171 Ofcourse but this was about Wanda.

[@ajanis95]

"Can anyone begrudge a mother who wanted to say good-bye to her family? I think not." I think absolutely yes when in doing so she causes hundreds (if not thousands) emotional pain so bad that they're begging for death, leaving them with what wil llikely be a lifetime of trauma. 5:35-5:48 This right here. This is villain talk. This is selfish villain talk. This is the type of thing a morally corrupt person would say to justify their horrendus actions.

[@fanny-28-20]

"what is this idiot doing firing bullets at a titan?" I died laughing hahahahaha SO TRUE BUCKY AT LEAST USE THE VIBRANIUM ARM MY GUY

[@marvintran7813]

This video is wrong. It did a good job explaining how she’s not as bad as most people say, but to say she did absolutely nothing wrong is just bogus.

[@whoareyou98]

Yeah, it has to be a joke

[@tech_muzi4350]

Thumbs down. This argument was terrible.

[@benazirkhan3799]

Lol, after Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness, Ryan would be proven SO wrong. It's actually laughable.

[@cuenpillay229]

Ah go to hell

[@lexruptor]

ScreenRant: She's a bad guy! ScreenCrush: She's a good guy! Me: Aren't you the same guy?

[@plant3580]

Different people working there

[@strawhat9319]

Thor lost mother... father... brother...jane...freinds but didn't hurt innocent people.

[@stempest7218]

I killed my neighbours dog but I'm not morally wrong for doing it because I was depressed my own dog died a week prior.

[@This_handle_is_not_available]

If you run a bunch of kids over by accident it doesn’t justify your accidental actions. You’d still face justice. (Metaphor for comparing this example to Wanda’s situation) It’s not like she wasn’t aware of what was going on.

[@Xenophrenia]

she WASN'T ... people kept telling her but she had no recollection of doing anything ... it wasn't until the standoff with Agatha that she actually knew anything ... just being told something does NOT mean you "know" - just that someone said something ...

[@redgoggles5531]

@@Xenophrenia Yeah, but she and fake Pietro discussed that she kept kids in their beds all the time, in that same episode she expanded the hex, and in episode 3 she threw Monica out of the hex, suggesting that she had some awareness that there was a hex.

[@ThatFreeWilliam]

I want to know who wrote the whole "they'll never know what you sacrificed for them" line and what they were thinking. It's just an excuse not to care about the whole town of people she hurt and run off and have more adventures. That was such a painful message to see at the end of a show I, as a widower, was identifying with up until then.

[@jesse5505]

@@Xenophrenia Vision brough it up to her in episode 4 , maybe 5, before thewhole agatha reveal. She knew what was going on by the time the boys dog died at the minimum.

[@redgoggles5531]

@@jesse5505 It was the end of episode 5

[@247wonderwoman]

This just proved to me that wanda and all the other heroes are actually major villains as well not that wannda did nothing wrong

[@chrispewett3879]

same

[@phamhien2590]

My biggest frustration with WandaVision was that in a show that was so much about dealing with trauma and having empathy for people with trauma, it also chose to use Monica (someone who was traumatized) to essentially mark the other people hurt at Westview as if they are ungrateful for what Wanda has sacrificed for them. The implication being that victimized people would be grateful to their victimizer if only they knew what the victimizer went through and “sacrificed” is kinda a slap in the face for me, especially in a show that painstakingly tried to paint a story of empathy for traumatized people. Wanda should be sympathized with, Wanda deserves better, Wanda’s trauma explains what she does and is incredibly understandable and she is not a villain no matter what some other people try to paint her as, however it really jarred me that a show that was so much about empathy, had a moment essentially throwing other traumatized people under the bus. It didn’t need to be there, that moment, and for me it undermined the message of the show. Not enough to ruin the show or make me hate Wanda or whatever, but enough to make me wonder if the folks at Marvel really care about how they portray stories of trauma, or is it just we should only care about trauma when it’s happening to the main characters. But this is kinda a pattern that I personally have felt from Marvel shows, that they continuously end up undermining their main message. I had the same issues with the messaging in TFATWS and Hawkeye as well. But anyways, that’s not the fault of Wanda though, and I love WandaVision giving her the humanity and complexity she deserves and it is so freaking weird to see some people so vehemently angry or hateful about her given that most of the MCU heroes have also had plenty of blood on their hands and made mistakes and that even includes the deified icon that is Steve Rogers. Wanda’s complexity doesn’t make her a villain and she’s not a villain. Even without knowing all the years in the comics of her with the West Coast Avengers, it’s clearly obvious that Wanda even in the movies alone, is not villainous. She’s traumatized and yes sometimes that trauma leads her to do questionable things, but that’s not villainy. CONTEXT MATTERS. I think a lot of people are so quick to put characters into good or bad labels that they forget characters can be both, just like people in real life can be both. It also honestly does scare me how often that trauma and mental health issues is essentially equated/demonized to villainy in media and in society.

[@brettabraham]

This is such a good example of a defense using a few valid points, ignoring others, and then going all out on the whataboutisms. Unironically love this video.

[@abdirahmaanmohamed1582]

Avengers when vision is a live: We don't trade lives. But when he died: we do to corpse for $3 Billion. 😂😂😂

[@merlin2105]

1 at the time her parents died. stark made and sold weapons to the government and obadiah stane was selling those same weapons to terrorist under the table behind starks back. 2 stark did make ultron but after wanda messing with his head hoping his fear would destroy him but instead it killed her brother. 3 wanda brainwashed hulk in age of ultron so anyone he injured or killed is on her. 4 yes she owned a house in west view so she should have limited the hex to her house at least to the front and back yard not a whole town. 5 outside the hex people forgot about the residents so her spell effected god knows how many people. wanda went through a lot but that does not justify her action. she hurt the people of west view to play out her delusion.

[@Spidervenom23]

Ultron was going to come one or another. It's is canon fact that Bruce and Tony has been secretly working Ultron for awhile after the battle of NY. Wanda has only brainwashed the people of Westview and The Hulk and that's it and the people of Westview was accidently. it isn't like she didn't brainwashed the whole world Twice like a Certain Doctor who shall remained nameless.

[@sevenstarred77]

In reference to Dr Strange not Helping Wanda...... Nope! You can't say that because originally Disney /Marvel was going to incorporate Dr Strange in to the WandaVision plot line, but due to Covid and such it was taken out, thats exactly what all those Comercials were about. They were meant to be messages from Strange trying to get trough to Wanda.

[@TheAceAdventurer80]

All you have done is convince me that Wanda was criminally negligent. Agatha was not controlling/torturing entire town as she kept asking Wanda how she was pulling off these multiple insane feats of magic concurrently. Since she is actiing out of grief, and people are harmed in those actions. That would make her negligent and since she is using powers that are supposed to be regulated by the Sokovia Accods without the permission of the governing body that makes the actions illegal. But maybe we should ask @LegalEagle if this criminal negligence

[@aranjackson259]

Yes! Legal Eagle should definitely get involved here!

[@kingrippzard2027]

Heck even negligence is a stretch. She gets told multiple times by agents, town people, and vision.

[@darlalathan6143]

I'm glad you thought of that!

[@joshualoreto3025]

I agree with everything but the peter parker comparison. Parker didn't care about himself going to college. He wanted Ned and MJ to get to college.

[@mohamedhamza9520]

Still he cared for his friends, happy and MJ so it's still the same

[@ellehcim2779]

I agree with none of them

[@LFCfan94]

Him: Wanda will be important for the next few years Doctor strange 2: Lets kill her off

[@aliwantizu]

This is the Better Call Saul defense of Wanda. He's not serious. It's like a Variant Ryan (did you notice the first time he defended her that his shirt turned red and his name tag was reversed like Bizarro, and Doug's shirt also was red?) He has done videos like Thanos Was Right and Joker Was Right and gave serious thought to why they (may) have been right in their idea (but perhaps not in their execution,) but this he seemed...tongue in cheek and not serious. He kept showing the townspeople being leashed by Wanda's red energy. They guy clearly told Vision that they were caught in her grief (Agatha didn't have any grief.) He also kept showing Saul from Better Call Saul. Pretty sure this was Ryan (or Variant Ryan) being facetious.

[@fpsmarcus]

Did nothing wrong? Really?

[@nuttiebuddieentertainment7788]

So Wanda does something wrong… but because other people do bad things it’s okay… 1) it’s okay that Wanda is “Evil” at first, it helps makes her story interesting and also makes her journey to become a hero fascinating 2) Tony did not run from his problems. He wanted to fix his problems. Ultron was created in response to the New York invasion… the accords were created in response to what happen with Ultron… and so on… if he run from his problems he would not have tried to fix his mistakes 3) a lot of what you said is speculative about the avengers 4) this is why Dr. Strange was written in the last two episodes and why he should have been in there. If she truly didn’t know how to control her powers… she would have needed someone to help her… but because she was able to figure it out without anyones help means she had the ability to undue the hex without outside help… it shows she had that choice the entire time to undue it but choose to keep her reality going… it’s not a good look

[@BillEcoff]

"Wanda didn't run away from her grief... she created a pocket reality." Da fuq?

[@GeekHelix]

... I feel like the writer of the script, the man reading the script and the editor all hate each other. I came here to check if this was actually satire, cause it legit looks like the editor choosing the clips is literally choosing clips that go opposite to the script and prove why the script is wrong and the guy reading the script is just like "oh yeah this is gold, I'm so smort."

[@redgoggles5531]

Even if the Hex was painless, (which it was suggested multiple times it wasn't) that still doesn't make taking people's free will away right. And lets also not forget that one of the people who was an actual character in Wanda's hex asked Wanda to let them all die, imagine how the people at the edge of the Hex (far away from Wanda) would feel, they were either frozen and not able to move or were stuck doing the same task over and over again. And about Sheild 'invading Wanda's privacy and attacking her', was Wanda taking people's minds over and effectively torturing them not invading their own privacy? And if someone owns a home somewhere, that doesn't mean they can restrict entry of the government coming in that whole city, I'm sure the real residents of Westview would have loved for Sword to have freed them from Wanda. And it's also quite obvious Wanda knew that she was doing something wrong. In her conversation with fake Pietro, he brings up the fact that she had kids stuck in their beds. In the final episode, this is confirmed with Dotty (I think that's her name) begging Wanda to let her child out of room, just to see her. "Superhumans have unique ways of dealing with their issues," That still doesn't justify what she did, and nothing suggests that Wanda can't deal with her issues in a normal way like everyone else. "What's all the crap about Wanda being dangerous and unstable?" In her first appearance she was working with Ultron, made the hulk go on a rampage killing innocent people, as well as twisting the avenger's minds. In civil war she accidently blew up a building full of people (I'll give this a pass since it was accidental and she was trying to stop the bomb from killing other people, but still), after the building accident she fought against the Sokovia Accords (I think the Sokovia accords are stupid, but after accidently blowing up people maybe she should have thought about sitting out of that battle). Also, doing heroic things doesn't clear your past mistakes, even if they were mistakes. There is somethings I agree with, like the Avengers being some pretty crappy friends, but I chalk that up to budgets constraints and some bad writing. But I have to disagree that Hayward was a bad dude. Sure, he did some pretty messed up things, (Like lie about Wanda stealing Visions body and violating Vision's will) but if you look at Haywards action through the context that he was trying to stop another Thanos situation (and I don't believe the show made it clear he had any other motives), I think he's fairly justified. And before anyone brings up that he tried to kill Wanda's kids, let's not forget those kids were conceived and birthed in less than a day, grew from 0 to 10 in a couple hours, have superpowers, and their father is a literal robot who is dead. It wouldn't be a far stretch to say that those kids weren't real and created by Wanda. Also, erasing Peter Parkers identity from people's minds is hardly comparable to what Wanda did. The world did not need to know who Peter was and it only put him and his family at risk. Edit: This whole video way be satire, but in the beginning, he said he wasn't being satirical so idk.

[@youmadornahhh]

What part of she didn’t create the hex on purpose and didn’t know how much power she had over it don’t y’all understand?

[@redgoggles5531]

@@youmadornahhh The episode where Pietro confronts her about keeping kids in their beds in the same episode she expands the hex. In episode 4 we see her throw Monica out of the hex. In episode 5 Vision confronts her about what she's doing, she also EXITS the Hex to fend on Sword agents. She may have not known how much power she had, or that hex existed (until about episode 3), but she still didn't remove the Hex until she was fully confronted about the torture she was putting on people.

[@roger632]

Monica: "They'll never understand what you sacrificed for them." One of the most tone deaf lines in all of Marvel lol. I'd like to see Monica explain that to the entire town that was enslaved by Wanda... that one citizen's tragic line comes to mind: "Please, I haven't been able to see my daughter in weeks!" Soooo, Wanda basically took away people's families, and their entire livelihood, in order so that *she* could enjoy the family/married life. I like Wanda, don't get me wrong; but saying that she "did nothing wrong" is rather ludicrous.

[@plant3580]

Wanda sacrificed her family

[@roger632]

@@plant3580 Yeah... at the cost of letting the poor citizens of the town see their own families again; she got her family by taking away theirs, at the start of the whole ordeal.

[@shootthecaptn4666]

but it was never confirmed she actually enslaved them or used mind manipulation. It's been alluded that Agatha was the one doing it. For example, in the scene where Wanda's neighbour kind of breaks out of 'character' and Agatha does her hand thing and he snaps back into it. Also if you go back and watch the show you can see how shitty Westview was before Wanda accidentally created the hex. Just because we've seen that mind manipulation is one of her powers doesnt mean she manipulated them on purpose, if at all. Gotta remember that Agatha has similar powers to Wanda. Direct quote from Marvels website: "Agatha is one of Earth's dozen or so most powerful witches. Her most potent spells seem to be precognitive, communicative, analytical, or manipulative of living beings' minds," She is also old af lol so she knows a lot more about how to use her powers purposefully compared to Wanda.

[@plant3580]

@@roger632 I don't care I'd bring my bf back even if it costs and arm and a leg or straight up kills me I'd also create my own mini family. Idgaf about your suffering I need this

[@roger632]

@@shootthecaptn4666 The other thing is, is that, when some of the citizens were saying things to Wanda, she said "You're fine, you're fine!" As if she knew they were experiencing her nightmares and restricting them within the hex.

[@Stylewxo0]

Wanda’s powers and meant to cause chaos, her mind triggers that chaos and can torture, kill, and more. It’s not her fault she has a vulnerable mind set and she didn’t even know the town was in pain in till the final episode

[@bobjohnson9201]

I want to do a bit more comparison. I think comparing Wanda to Peter wanting to be erased from memory are 2 different things at different times. Remember, these heroes are more like celebrities in our world. Peter had his right to privacy taken away from him, and if he and Strange would have planned things together better it would have been a much better outcome. But I am more curious about how Peter copes with having lost all his family and friends. Yes, he has had personal growth, and maybe getting to spend time with other versions of himself will have helped, but I’m guessing there will still be some underlying grief, and he still has the knowledge that there are people that he cares about that are safer because of his actions. In Falcon and the Winter Soldier Zemo was the person that remained the most level headed and ultimately removed the greatest threats. The hot headed actions caused more problems throughout the show. Sylvie’s actions and hot headed desires will literally result in the deaths of trillions. Hot headed actions in the MCU almost always cause more problems. Yes, Wanda could have been much worse to the people of Westview. And she probably didn’t realize how much pain she caused them and stopped as soon as possible. It doesn’t mean there weren’t healthier of coping that did not involve hijacking the lives of people. A very compelling and interesting argument though.

[@lukedobek]

This feels like a belated April Fool’s video.

[@eli_da_man_]

Well, Wanda did a lot wrong. I usually agree with your takes after the evidence is shown; but in this case I don't agree at all

[@apoorvsingh4459]

Yes she did wrong, but was it more than other "heroes". And the big part is that she wasn't even in full control of her powers, while others were except hulk

[@akif3917]

@@apoorvsingh4459 But... She could've stopped her Hex, she knew it was hurting them but still didn't stop 🤷

[@apoorvsingh4459]

@@akif3917 she didn't actually know it was actually hurting them until the ending. Before that when she knew she was in control, she was in state of denial and wanted to protect her family at any cost. It was by the end when she came out of it, and got to know they were actually suffering

[@anthonyholmes9491]

Agreed, when you have to call out every other avenger to justify her actions it was over

[@mikewoodward3494]

Another fantastic video dude!

[@texasjedi77]

The people of Westview were tortured with Wanda’s grief, and not to mentioned imprisoned against their will…they will be scared for life. Agatha’s only added things Wanda couldn’t control. Giving her a pass is horrible. There were NO amends made at the end.

[@salvationsplace]

Director Hayward purposely pushed Wanda into a psychotic break in an attempt to reactivate vision. Hayward did this with out regard for the consequences of pushing a super being over the edge. Without Wanda’s breakdown there is no Agatha. Director Hayward is the villain and Wanda was barely conscious of what was happening.

[@yoboyrob201]

No, maybe the initial reaction of creatingtge hex but not everything that follows. She actively altered aspects to change things. Even after knowing that people were trying to stop her from enslaving the town, she still fought and threatened them. She is 100% a villain, alongside the director and Agatha.

[@thatomanaka323]

What? 🤣🤣

[@salvationsplace]

@@yoboyrob201 it was obviously a psychotic break. it's not like just "being emotional" when she made vision it was involuntary, coming from a primal scream. she could not even remember what the heart was on the calendar.

[@jesse5505]

got damn i want some of what u got

[@yoboyrob201]

@@salvationsplace I said the initial act of creating the hex was involuntary. However after that, she quickly knew what was happening and that she could control it. She purposely kept the citizens of the town enslaved to her. Thus she is in fact a villain

[@stonerdave]

I wouldn’t say Wanda did nothing wrong but she surely made amends for her mistakes

[@AaronMckenzie]

He’s being mind controlled

[@callmesenpaidesu1506]

What amends?

[@uvindukulathunga3860]

She did bad stuff bcz she has big power those bad stuff effected world in a big way

[@delmarfrazier2727]

How many times do you shoe the world 🌎 who you are before you become what you are!

[@divyavermagogoi7997]

@@delmarfrazier2727 give her a break, she didn't have help, and she helped save the world.

[@zen1210]

Having bad past doesn't allow one to do bad things. This is how most villians are.

[@DiarrheaIsUnbreakable]

I've seen the leaks of MOM. This video aged like milk left out of the fridge overnight.

[@evolancer211]

The justifications for Wanda being right are pretty weak. You're really nit picking on why she was right

[@lobsterminion693]

But she gave the townsfolk jobs! How could she be evil?

[@thatomanaka323]

Screencrush please don't tell me u are one of Wanda's fanboys

[@yoyomayne]

And if he is 😑

[@yoyomayne]

He also made a why Agatha was right video, unlike most people,he sees things from all points of view

[@EV21]

The worst MCU fans...

[@thatomanaka323]

@@yoyomayne then he is 🙂I'm not fighting

[@thatomanaka323]

@@yoyomayne try killing someone and see if ur point of view will save u in court 🙂

[@Wooshey_Wooj]

I agree with the Vision body situation. Just because Stark & Cap weren’t in the picture, doesn’t give anybody else an excuse. Banner? The rest of the living Avengers? It’s kind of fucked up. Because even after the show. It makes you realize how great of an impact he has. They have to explain this with ghost Vision.

[@agafigna9117]

9:54 Dr Strange not sensing Wanda's magic is simply a plot hole imo 😁

[@zapmenhightide9233]

He wasn't even allowed to be on the show?

[@elizabethshannon5404]

I’d like to know what happened right after Endgame in regards to where the other Avengers were and if Wanda asked for psychiatric help and was denied. Also, thanks for bringing up Thor’s whereabouts in Infinity War. I mean WTH??!! There’s much more to Wanda’s (and hopefully Vision’s) story to come. We’ll see then but Wanda’s still a hero to me.

[@alexmiller9461]

Ryan, you are the true MVP in all of this. Hottest take on the internet🏆😁

[@skyefin1427]

I love how he proved that the good guys and bad, the bad guys are good and it's all worong!

[@topcat1255]

Well done, Ryan! From your mirror image in the opening minutes to Doug's red shirt...nice job.

[@brentrogers97]

Wanda was dusted for 5 years but in Infinity War if she could’ve had a chance to go 1 on 1 with Thanos she would’ve definitely destroyed his ass! Nuff Said

[@Robby_Rob]

she wasn’t dusted

[@sam_1775]

@@Robby_Rob she was

[@Robby_Rob]

@@sam_1775 you’re right

[@drunkdogwithagun468]

I don’t know if she could have ended Thanos in Infinity War, mostly because when we see her nearly kill Thanos in Endgame she isn’t being a hero fighting for good. Wanda is a super powered being with a unbridled rage and has the means to torture the one that took away her loved one that she was going to grow old with. That unhinged rage most likely gave her a massive power boost.

[@k29king1]

Most people think our Wanda is gonna be the antagonists of Doctor Strange 2, I don’t. I believe it’s gonna be a duplicate multiversal Wanda that went through a similar experience to our Wanda that is the bad one and our Wanda along with Dr Strange, Wong, and America Chavez will have to fight her.

[@juliusferrer2071]

On my take i feel like our wanda is gonna cause havoc in MoM only because of her being corrupted by Darkhold...But again she will made herself accountable...or right thing to do is never come back to the main timeline? And let the good wanda (Wanda variant doesnt wear the red suit) shift to main timeline?

[@jasongallagher5464]

Prosecution: Yes a lot of people suffer unimaginable loss every day. Sometimes it’s to ones we love, sometimes it’s to strangers and their loved ones. With that said, what we all have in common is the fact that we don’t go around responding to our trauma by causing inexplicable and irreversible trauma to others by holding them captive to once again be with the ones we lose. I lost my mother last year. I’d love to see her again, but unlike Ms. Maximoff we don’t all have the power to imprison entire New Jersey towns do we? With that said, due to her passed trauma and her help against those like Thanos and Ultron we are willing to reach some sort of plea deal in this case.

[@Justin-sl5tg]

To be honest I think you may have under analyzed this. Tony Stark did not only run from his problems but, he also faced them. In endgame he works on the time machine for the single and small chance of bringing back the people who were gone, not to mention sacrificed his life facing the internal struggle for care about himself or the greater good. Up to Wanda vison Wanda was a good character. Regardless of what you see in Wanda's response she still mentally enslaved the people of Westview and while that is not physical damage it can effect the mental health of her victims. She was completely aware of this and took her interests over others not showing any sign of stopping. I think what they should have done was given Wanda a chance redemption instead of just pretending everything she did is fine. What I typed was a lot but these were the fist things that came to mind. Feel free to keep your opinion though I mean we're talking about wizards with capes here.

[@TheRealRevelation]

Ok. This probably doesn’t need to be said but I’m gonna say it anyway. The editing on this, where each clip is shown and how it’s shown… Absolutely AMAZING!! I still tell everyone I know about the video of Nolan’s The Dark Knight trilogy, specifically the Slapping part. But this, this is a Masterpiece! Not sure if I’m sold on your argument but I love the way you structured it.

[@barryhf8667]

Vision died three times.

[@AshishSharma-nj9gv]

Ryan : i am a very good lawyer

[@hiccuphufflepuff176]

I am very much in the camp of "Wanda had no bad intentions and didn't understand that the residents weren't ok until the confrontation with them at the end." However, not so much in the "Tony was a villain, actually" camp... In his defense, the "little witch" comment was made at a time when Wanda was an enemy of the Avengers and they all hated her that much. He also said it while trying to relate to Hulk, who was under her nightmare mind-control and freaking out at the time. The wmd conversation was about him confining her to their base over the Lagos incident while being scrutinized by the world's governments as the Sokovia Accords were being finalized. I read that as him telling Steve "Look at the opinions I'm having to deal with here" not "This is _my_ opinion of Wanda." He also emphasized how "safe" and comfortable the base was in contrast to the prison cell she could (and did) end up in if the political situation wasn't handle well. The look he gave her on the monitor at the Raft shows he really did want to protect her.

[@nikksterr627]

She definitely did something wrong but I would agree that she’s probably one of the least problematic heroes in the MCU (and 100% my fave). She took an entire town hostage, killed innocent people in Lagos, helped Ultron…like she did lots of bad stuff. But WAY LESS bad stuff than the other Earth based MCU characters. And she has sacrificed more than most of them, and been victim to way more trauma. If she gets painted as the villain in Doctor Strange 2 I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT 👏

[@frenkzors]

Exactly this! Tony Stark was a literal merchant of death back before his Iron Man days AND he unleashed Ultron on the world, even if he had "good" intentions. Wanda is a a great tragic character (similar to Natasha imo) and Im always rooting for her, personally

[@brianm3160]

@@frenkzors people always forget that Stark was probably the biggest threat to human race

[@j1227]

How the heck is she the least problematic? Who else consciously did something as bad as enslaving an entire town. Like even Ironman can't be as problematic as he didn't hesitate to try and stop Ultron, even then Ultron's creation was meant to keep people safe while Wanda's Hex was to help her hide from her grief regardless of how it affected others.

[@shubhambajpai5180]

@@j1227 Bruh . You mean creating nuclear weapons for war ain't bad? Meddling with technology you clearly cannot comprehend ain't bad? Second of all Wanda did not intentionally create The Heck unline Stark who was fully aware of the consequences

[@shubhambajpai5180]

@@brianm3160 Exactly...people pass blind judgement

[@lowkeyobsessedngl]

this reeks of Wanda Apologist i hate it so much. she could have stopped any time. she didn't she kept the lie going even after Vision figured shit out. she's totally guilty.

[@KFP_Fanboy]

based

[@wg_caboose127]

it’s satire

[@plant3580]

Stop and let my family get deleted right in front of my eyes? No thanks pls

[@pandanganmatiyn1487]

I just finished rewatching wandavision yesterday. This video couldn't be more timely

[@duk2112]

Agatha is not evil either. She’s a mentor and a teacher canonically in the comics and cartoons. I hope in her show it talks about how the Darkhold was affecting her

[@AileBlancheSH]

How dare you say Agatha is evil?!

[@cuenpillay229]

Shut up

[@definitelynotabot1743]

You usually have good videos and breakdowns, but this and your "fixed" MCU timeline make me wonder why I'm subscribed to this channel. There is not much evidence that Agatha was the one who was in the heads of the Westview residents. Like, how do you explain away this line? "Your grief is poisoning us."

[@donaldchilds192]

Wanda's grief + Agatha's poison. classic misdirection of blame to vilify an opponent and justify your own actions in harming them (Agatha taking Wanda's powers, holding her children hostage, etc.) Given Agatha's centuries of study and practice, and that we see her able to even subvert Wanda's mental powers when she tries to trap Agatha in a vision, Agatha is clearly capable of manipulating others' thoughts and feelings without them realizing it

[@aliwantizu]

This is the Better Call Saul defense of Wanda. He's not serious. It's like a Variant Ryan (did you notice the first time he defended her that his shirt turned red and his name tag was reversed like Bizarro, and Doug's shirt also was red?) He has done videos like Thanos Was Right and Joker Was Right and gave serious thought to why they (may) have been right in their idea (but perhaps not in their execution,) but this he seemed...tongue in cheek and not serious. He kept showing the townspeople being leashed by Wanda's red energy. They guy clearly told Vision that they were caught in her grief (Agatha didn't have any grief.) He also kept showing Saul from Better Call Saul. Pretty sure this was Ryan (or Variant Ryan) being facetious.

[@WallyBChamp]

@@aliwantizu thank you, I'm new to the channel and that was the first thought I had, if he defended villains before etc

[@SkepticalBucketman]

There is a short video featuring a fragment of an interview with Alan Moore, in said video he gives some writing advice and he says something along the lines of: "Read badly written stuff so you can think about / identify the things that don´t work and make it bad, so you can form a criteria about what NOT to do" This video is a really good example of that piece of advice.

[@thembanitheone]

Peter's actions in NWH are not framed as noble or justifiable in any way quite the opposite, they're childish and (initially)self-centred. This makes sense because the MCU generally stresses Peter's youth. He's a teenager and a minor blessed with sudden great power and still figuring out the responsibility that accompanies it. Contrary to what Cap would have you believe, Wanda is full grown woman and mother of two, who by all accounts should know better. Wanda's actions according to Screenrant are therapeutic and harmless... which is just not true.

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

If you believe anything you said you are a full-blown sociopath. That is if you are simply not shilling. If you are TRYING to be sarcastic, you should give that up and never try it again.