Why Water Pokemon Are Secretly Broken

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

HAPPY JPR FRIDAY! Who is your favorite Water type Pokemon? I personally really like Palafin 🐬

[@kristopherwillis8075]

Swampert is my favorite and water types are my favorite type in pokemon 😊

[@jessicapedley4082]

Lapras,Palafin/Finizen/Hero Form, Vaporeon and Milotic are my favourites but I love all water type pokemon so much its my best favourite type ever alongside ice ^^

[@Chresduck]

Arceus-water

[@BeantheSnom]

Spheal and Iron Bundle

[@Illumisepoolist]

Azumarill, Gorebyss and Kyogre.

[@justinn8541akaDrPokemon]

This video shows the irony of Game Freak making Lugia a psychic to "make it feel more powerful".

[@GoldGuard]

Traded a 4x weakness to Electric just to get 3 more weaknesses and less resistances. What were they thinking?

[@matthewkuscienko4616]

To be fair, back then, psychic WAS legitimately a much stronger type than it is today, so much so that they introduced 2 new types that had some sort of advantage against it in gen2 to try to balance it out. Then again, normal was also surprisingly much better than the casual player would expect it to be in the first couple of generations, too, despite being not only the single most neutral type in the entire game and being the only one that's incapable of dealing super-effective damage to anything, to the point where Snorlax was unironically the best competitive Pokemon in BOTH OU AND Ubers

[@justinn8541akaDrPokemon]

@ You know what they should have done, make Lugia a flying/dragon type. Not only would it make it "feel powerful", it would prop up how the dragon type is a powerful type because a legendary is one.

[@GoldGuard]

@ Well yeah but Lugia is meant to be defensive and it was introduced in the same gen where there was a focused effort toward nerfing the Psychic type both offensively and defensively. And Psychic type's defensive use was nerfed especially hard with one of its weaknesses being to a type that completely walls it.

[@robertbeisert3315]

​@@justinn8541akaDrPokemonSo, hot take: I wish we didn't have legendary dragons. The idea of dragons being pseudos, always just a half-step below the gods, is kind of metal.

[@KuroBlitz]

The ZA wishlist reference in the thumbnail is top tier.

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

We can only hope 🙏

[@Michael-zd2le]

I caught that too.

[@Miyamura.04]

Every water type getting ice coverage means the only safe switch for offensive water types is other water types unless you're iron bundle

[@iteruc3071]

Some shakey logic aside I really think we should have had the following changes back when they revised Steel: - Posion is super effective against Water. - Ice resists Water.

[@franckcrdraws]

Ah, so *that's* why Water won that Splatfest...

[@SillyLilly-t1x]

Story wise the Inklings and Octolings probaby think Water is so cool even though it hurts them similar to how we view fire so since Fire type starters are the most popular here it makes sense why Water won the splatfest! -Ignoring reality where everyone voted Water for the Big Man sweep-

[@HEX33C1FF]

@@SillyLilly-t1x Speak for yourself, I voted Water fully expecting to lose.

[@crawling_eye]

water type is so good both offensively and defensively. between the insane wallbreaking power of tera water rainboosted wave crash in gen 9 and suicune/swampert coining the phrase "bulky waters" in adv ou, i feel like water is the most versatile type in the game.

[@LegendaryCaptain]

I think the 2 types with very interesting videos are Psychic: how it was dominant but fell off due to not just the nerf from gen 2 onwards but types like ghost getting better Dark: weird identity crisis being special to becoming more common as well as stuff like knock off

[@Dusxio]

Don't worry, we know you don't hate Grass type. Gamefreak does XD

[@bulborb8756]

Water has always been my favorite type just because it is such a well-rounded and versatile type, I've always held it in high regards as being one of the best types in the game and hasn't needed any major nerf's as it hasn't been too dominate like Psychic, Fighting and Dragon were at their problematic peak's. Personally i find the distribution nerf to Scald in gen 9 was needed cause in my opinion: it was far too good of a move with very little counter-play to it and i've never liked using it as it was such a "low risk, high reward" move to me

[@JanusHoW]

They should have also reduced the number of Water Pokemon with access to Ice Beam or Blizzard. It gives them too much ability to counter two of the types that should be able to check them. It would also be an indirect buff to Grass since they could more easily check the Water types that would otherwise blast them with Ice Beam as well as to Ice types by making them more valuable.

[@bulborb8756]

@@JanusHoW i honestly disagree with that, the ability to learn ice moves just makes a ton of sense for water types and being about to have a way to counter dragon and grass is good as not many water's can learn ground moves. Water isn't that broken to need a nerf that drastic

[@valiantchris6456]

When it comes to Best Type, Water is basically in contention with Steel, Fairy, Ground, Fire, Ghost, and Dark.

[@cabrondemente1]

Steel and Fairy are the best. The others you mention are good but not on the same level

[@valiantchris6456]

@@cabrondemente1 No kidding. Remember Mega Mawile and Zacian Crowned?

[@orangesilver8]

Dark is not up there

[@padstah3747]

​@@cabrondemente1 water is better than steel now, top 2 is fairly easily water and fairy

[@nickdentoom1173]

Fire good? Fire is amongst the worse.

[@PkmnTrainerEmerald]

Good video overall but uh, I'm surprised you left out Urshifu rapid strike 😮 That was a huge addition to water types even claiming both worlds championships of Scarlet and Violet. Oh i guess Tapu Fini also was another pokemon that also made waves since gen 7.

[@bolladragon]

Fave water type is probably a tie between Blastoise and Primarina.

[@Boltofbrilliance122]

My favorite water type is lapras

[@nintendolife25]

Mine is Greninja. 🙂

[@LuckyBoyJKid]

They really should just make Ice resist Water and then also invert Water's resistance to Ice to become a weakness to really make a dent with nerfing it (and also helping Ice to balance the chart that way too).

[@josephbulkin9222]

Why is Water Type broken? Its very simple. To get across the areas of the game, you will need to get across bodies of water. How? With a powerful move that happens to be learnable by every Water Type not named Magikarp. A move that happens to be infinite-use. Water types are good because sooner or later, you will be forced to use one.

[@bajanyaoikaizer6902]

I wonder how water would fare if it were weak to Bug and/or Poison. And I wish they'd give regular Corsola a branched evolution. One based off of the coral creature from "what's new scooby-doo" and aother based on the great barrier reef, similar but more powerful than the one found in "forbidden toxic neon green"

[@gavinaaric]

Happy Later JPR Friday

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

Happy JPR Friday to you as well, mr commenter

[@thomaswalsh5848]

7:16 Tom Sawyer and Fly By Night are Rush songs, awesome to see I am not alone!

[@plocof1521]

Ducks are the best

[@VulcanGray]

They don't share a single weakness? They all die to Freeze Dry!

[@RatedX29]

Love the spongebob credits thing

[@rjd1922]

4:26 Eevee only got Growth through a New York Pokémon Center event.

[@tktyga77]

It sure lives up to its irl theme of being everywhere & one of the strongest elements around. Water bonds life together, after all

[@tylerensminger]

I've always liked Water types. I tend to go with them as my starter when playing pokemon

[@timovos5371]

3:12 gyarados not good in gen 1 because it is a physical attacker? Did you forget gyarados had a 100 special? It had the same special attack as starmie plus gen 1 Hyper Beam

[@michaelbesser5348]

Yeah, Gyarados could actually use Special moves back in gen 1. Gyarados's weakest gen was gen 2, followed by 3. Those were after Gyarados's Special Attack were nerfed, but before Water moves could be physical. Combine that with Gyarados's complete lack of Flying options and Gyarados just had no STAB to work with.

[@rockowlgamer631]

I feel like Water types shouldn't get Ice beam; it makes Ice types less viable since why bother with Ice if Water can just do it for you? At best the Water types should get weak ice moves like Icy wind and let Ice types have the stronger ice moves; we can make an exception for any Water/Ice types. Plus, this will give Grass and Dragons more room to breath. Also, if yall want to complain about Scald just make the burn chance to 10% like every other move.

[@michaelbesser5348]

I think Scald was originally given 30% burn to be in line with Discharge and Lava Plume. The problem here is that you can swap in an Electric or Ground type to deal with Discharge, or a Fire type to deal with Lava Plume. To beat Scald's burn you can swap in a Fire type, but that has some obvious issues.

[@bruhmaxxer]

About gyarados - in gen 1, it had a special stat of 100. So while it didn't hit as hard as pokemon like gengar, it was actually comparable to pokemon like starmie, in terms of raw damage, while also having a lot of great coverage, in thunderbolt, fire blast, and blizzard. So yeah, it was not just good as a special attacker, but outright great! The main reason it isn't OU proper in gen 1 is due to a lot of the best pokemon carrying thunderbolt as coverage. So yeah, mixed gyarados was a menace.

[@qthesorrow7899]

I still after all this time, do not get why ice isn't super effective against water. Most water pokemon are fish or other things that live in the water. Do you know what happens when you put your goldfish outside in the middle of a snowstorm? If you can freeze the water and the thing inside is either dead or not going to be able to move. So I do not get why they resist ice.

[@ghost_walker_x]

Greninja *did* eventually get used as a Water-type force with Battle Bond in Gen 7. Ash-Greninja was used on rain teams as a specs attacker all the time.

[@FTChomp9980]

Not to mention there is so many WATER Types!

[@bulborb8756]

well when there's so many aquatic and semi-aquatic animals in the world, it's no wonder why it's always held onto it's title of being the most common type

[@CarputingYT]

Have a nice weekend JPR, happy Friday gamer

[@robertlupa8273]

The sheer ubiquity of Water types also means even in nuzlockes you're extremely likely to pick up a solid Water type, a backup and a backup for the backup. And that's _without_ counting Gyarados the Gamebreaker.

[@BeIlG]

I am not a competitive pokemon fan however your videos remain so entertaining. Thank you!! Your in depth analysis are amazing!

[@onetallpheeesh]

I'm going to keep pushing for the Sound Type for the sake of balancing the Strong Types and the Weak Types specifically. Sound Type would interact with Steel, Fairy, Water, Ice, and Bug with the intention of balancing. It's just unfortunate that Psychic, Fighting, and Ghost would suffer as well. But Dark would have fun. My Concept for the Sound Type Strong Against: Fairy, Fighting, Psychic, Ghost Weak To: Dark, Ghost, Bug, Ice, Poison Resists: Steel, Water, Fighting Resisted By: Rock, Steel, Ice, Dark Immune to Sound: Bug Additional Interactions: Sound type moves do less damage and are less accurate in Snowscape and Sandstorm. A new Normal Type Special Attack move is introduced to replace Hyper Voice STAB loss. Sound Type wouldn't just be about Noise Making, but also about Echo Location and Sonar, hence its interactions with Ghost. In reference to this video, it's relationship with Echo Location and Whale Calls is how it resists Water type. Sound Waves travel whether or not Water is there, even if it appears to be drowned out.

[@commonviewer2488]

I can't think of any Pokémon that would be weakened by having a water dual typing

[@neri1220]

13:28 Except they're all 4x weak to the most hated (by me) and broken move in the game that shouldn't have existed. Freeze Dry. Yes, i used to have fun making mono water team but this single move can annihilate entire rain team like that.

[@sarahharuka2811]

I love that move lol, specially on stuff like swampert, you think it will do neutral damage and then BAAAAAM, 4x

[@zenoxgaming7421]

My favorite move keeps those gyarados and swampert in check 😂

[@Kali_Krause]

I'm currently replaying HeartGold and chose Totodile as my starter. We already got 4 gym badges!

[@kingdom_C]

You can definitely make a future video about how to make grass type pokemon better

[@chrisd1982]

I've always found it odd that even when talking about what types are the best very few people seem to talk about how good water is

[@Vahria-2_Rivaha-4_]

I use mostly Water Starters except for 2 Generations. One I use a Fire and 1 for a Grass Starter.

[@FinalSeraphLeo]

Been playing Pokemon since I was a kid when Gen 1 came out and I've always known water was the most busted because it can counter every other type in the game(s) in one way or another.

[@HoennMaster]

I’ve always loved Water when it comes to video games, anime, TV shows, etc., and Pokémon is no exception. I’ve loved the Water-Type since day one. I’m not the type of person who usually creates rules for myself when playing a game, but always having a Water-type in my team is the sole exception. Starmie has always been my favorite, but I have to say it ties with Piplup now.

[@zygot3060]

I'm expecting hate for this, but here goes. I think easily the biggest thing they could do to nurf water types is to remove the over abundant ability to use ice. Just because something can spit water, doesn't mean it should be able to spit frozen water. Doing so would also be a huge boon to ice and grass types as well.

[@jyapp4489]

Water is probably the 2nd most powerful type, almost entirely due to Water's excellent type coverage and surprising variety of options. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the game was at some point BALANCED around the Water type as the primary type.

[@padstah3747]

id argue water is better than fairy but that might just be me

[@michaelbesser5348]

​@padstah3747 I think I would argue Water gets the third place Bronze medal. Steel is just ludicrously good defensively (so ludicrous that, even though Steel isn't great offensively it still belongs up there) and Fairy simultaneously beats decent types (Dragon, Fighting, Dark) while the only types that beat it are really bad offensively (being Steel and Poison). At least Electric is a pretty good type which beats Water (and Grass, which I'd say is kind of mid tier).

[@padstah3747]

@@michaelbesser5348 the issue with steel is it has some of the worst weaknesses there is, fire is common coverage specially, fighting and ground are common physical coverage, so whilst the large numbers of resistances make steel certainly strong, id say top 3, its just too detrimental in conjunction with being a really bad offensive type compared to the overall consistency of water. Part of what makes water so good is that it effectively has no physical weaknesses - physical grass and electric moves are never used a coverage, and those who use it as stab very often struggle. Additionally, grass in general is a pretty bad type honestly probably bottom 3 or 4, and also isnt terribly commonly used as special coverage either, both because energy ball isnt SUPER common and because it generally isnt super good. Electric is a good type, but thunderbolt is not a terribly common coverage move, at least not nearly as common as flamethrower, and electric also importantly does not resist water - meaning most electric types ability to switch into water types are fairly limited. It means there is only 1 pure type which both resists and is super effective against water, and that one type is one of the worst in the game. Fairy meanwhile has 2, one of which is one of the best types in the game, the other of which is a solid mid tier type (granted both are pretty poor types offensively, although particularly poison is a very common coverage move that is used semi-often). Water is just really insane both offensively, where it is one of the best types, where the only type that resists its stab + coverage that every water type is itself, has nearly 0 physical weaknesses (which is particularly obviously really strong when you see how strong alomomola and dondozo are in OU right now - the 2 primary physical hit taking pokemon are water types), great resistances in fire, ice and itself (not as impressive as steel or fairy to be fair, but its boons make up for this) AND it has; Possibly the best offensive move in the game in scald, stronger versions of its moves on both the physical AND special side (something neither steel nor fairy can boast) and a weather that boosts its power by 50%

[@danielstokes2127]

I’ve always liked water cause I enjoy sea creatures and pools and now I know they have insane power!

[@antoniolopes1754]

Water types are my second favorite type, I prefer the night type but if you asked me I would say that the best is the electric type. only one weakness so I think that's why pure electrics are more "fragile"

[@MegaInferGoku19617]

I mean fire and ground are very common types in competitive and they can use ice type moves without having the downside of being an ice type.

[@BDubbyy]

Team Aqua Rules!!

[@gheleorm8894]

Growth Eevee is a special Pokemon center event in Gen2 ... So we cant have it by normal means, so it doesnt not really have it.

[@lightyoshiman]

why water types are broken? versatility why are they the best? nessa

[@RamiShreds]

Shouldn’t both rain and sunlight help grass types when you think about it

[@Mardshima89]

Leech Seed and Grass type Drain moves should heals more HP or deals more damage under the rain. Its so weird that Grass type like to be under Drought more than under Drizzle.

[@akanniayodeji7881]

I just don't get game freak's game mechanics… when did water resist steel and how do you justify a liquid to be resistant when on the other side of the coin ice is weak to steel. In the real world, H2O is found in both typings, water and ice are just different states of the same matter H2O. It's so crazy that they make an excuse for steel to be super effective against ice, solid water, then steel is resisted by liquid H20. The same applies to rock weak to water but super effective against ice smh lol. Game Freak should have just had water and ice resist each other from Gen 1 to give Ice somewhat of an immunity. Instead they just teased ice types with a freeze dry attack. It's basic science and they can't even make it happen in a kids game that we're all playing as adults.,

[@konstantinkunz2256]

I agree. Steel should be weak to water but resist to Ice meanwhile Ice should Resist Water and Water should be weak to Poison and Ice.

[@1musamune]

if you continue to do more of these can you do Electric soon?

[@LucasDarkGiygas]

Secretly? I think it's pretty publicly broken.

[@cayder7485]

This said 1 second ago when I came back to KZbin that’s wicked

[@adrianstyranitar717]

What happened? You skipped thru gen 8 vgc and left no mention of urshifu rapid strike. That pacing moved in flash time.

[@mazharsiddiqi7288]

Awesome video Hope do Electric next

[@JaculaDudek]

In one of those clips there is a pokemon named Stevie Nicks - classy

[@3aminparadisee]

Me whom loves grass types! Even as picking most grass type starters i love my gyarados and whole Lotta other pokemon

[@1matto]

angry Scorbunny noises

[@octopus1992mv]

And thats why water is my fave type and i mono run my forst plauthroughs adds a challange but still gives options to choose from

[@zexalbrony4799]

Well, you've done Grass, Fire, and Water, so now all that's left is the secret fourth/forbidden starter type, Electric. LOL.

[@michaelbesser5348]

Let's go Eevee arguably makes Normal a fifth starting type if you count that.

[@zexalbrony4799]

@@michaelbesser5348 True, but he already covered Normal in a previous video.

[@Illumisepoolist]

Can you do the Rock type next?

[@Keenwah]

absolutely elite intro

[@piplup2884]

IM just built different

[@terrafirma5327]

As someone whose favorites are grass and bug... I pretty much avoid competitive play. I also really like fairy and poison but those aren't underpowered.

[@HatsuneChiYu]

I usually don't really comment about things like these but I had to close the video because of all the gen 1 flashing screens early video, at least I can listen and not lose out on the content but the flashing straight up gave me a headache, just a heads up for the next one perhaps!

[@theR1ch]

I expected a 5 min rant about Politoed from the Gen 5 meta section, but you're not SilverAugust.

[@merlijnbal221]

Be carefull not to fuckle with shuckle calling him bad altho i kinda agree

[@M00nnman]

I beat fire red with a full water type team, all my starters besides torchic were water

[@infernape716]

Was eagerly waiting for the JPR vid 🫡

[@gabevandenhoeven4546]

11:58 Are we just gonna skip over Urshifu rapid-strike? One of the most used water types in the recent vgc meta game? Absolutely broken Pokémon with a broken signature move?

[@skotiaH2O]

Not really a secret since every good player knows that. Water should definitely be in everyone's top 5 types, at the very least

[@ethanle2901]

Me wondering where JPR got his shirt. As you can tell, I am a Xenoblade Fan

[@ShadyRK9]

A minute in and I'm gonna guess they have coverage towards their own weakness? Like some actually knows Ice type moves!

[@idyvalentine]

not really a secret, it's considered the third best type behind steel and fairy iirc

[@BlueCorvidae]

And why GRASS pokemon secretly ... are not (why do the other two get few weaknesses, of many resistances and Grass gets, inaccurate powder moves?)

[@Rarest26]

Hot take: Gen 5 water > Gen 5 dragon

[@shreyas_seshan]

Did bro forget urshifu in gen 8?

[@MasterBamarah]

Agreed! Water types are OP, just look at all the Pokémon metas… 🙂

[@greek1237]

Come on Shuckle is one of the best hazard setters in the game. Far from bad.

[@catriamflockentanz]

*haven't seen the video yet* And yet Water could be even more powerful. Nobody but Pokémon seperates Ground and Rocks, both is usually Earth. And seperating Water and Ice is even worse. That's literally the same thing. H20 just in a different chemical state. Now lets see why Water Types are OP. 0:31 Grass Types live in the wrong Franchise. Grass (which really should be called PLANT imo) Types are a slow methodical type. And Pokémon Battles are either 1vs1 or 2vs2 which isn't a good environment for a "support class".

[@Thanatosdan]

BIG MAN BLASTOISE

[@reallypointy6495]

Bro never even mentioned urshifu

[@fullyactivated]

No secret water types are top

[@danialaroff]

TOO MUCH WATER

[@TrappyJenkins]

this is why the water starter is the weakest choice. the grass starter might be the most powerful grass pokemon in game. but theres always a million water types. theres plenty of fish in the sea

[@rjd1922]

Ice should resist Water; the Ice-type needs all the help it can get, and adding water to ice just makes more ice.

[@That0therG]

I feel like water has always been good, bit of a redundant video tbh

[@olivercleland1380]

11:45 yknow what else is massive⁉️

[@AndyBandy925]

Your mother >:3

[@JericoLeslie]

I don’t care what you guys say. I will always pick grass starters.

[@SleepySnorlax68]

i choose grass for a more difficult playthrough

[@chuck4714]

Pokemonnnzzz r so Fun. U play the games and gave a good time. Nuce.d

[@Karastardust]

Love me my water types yat seadra

[@RayGunga13]

water

[@jgr7487]

7.8

[@eeveefennecfox]

pokemon hater

[@jgr7487]

@eeveefennecfox I have probably been playing Pokémon before you were born. I'm no h8tr.

[@wentoneisendon6502]

Good morning everybody good morning

[@roseraid-1467]

I've been saying this for YEARS!!!

[@SonicMeters]

So true