Why women are feeling more burnt out than ever! Feminism Debate with Isabel Brown vs Bronte Remsik

[@DavidMauerMusic]

26:43 “Men went after their dreams” Really? Because I’d say that 90% of men, even back then went to work at jobs that they absolutely hated. Where they weren’t appreciated and literally broke their bodies in order to provide for their wives and children so that hopefully their children could have a better and easier future than they did (Think of the men down in the coal mines literally being poisoned) Guess what? Here in the west, that certainly happened. But this sense of “chasing your dreams” is a relatively new concept, largely promoted by the rise of things like Hollywood and Disney films and what not. For centuries, what this lady calls “chasing dreams” I would call “fighting for survival and to provide for your loved ones, often sacrificing yourself in the process”

[@ohthankg-dforthebourgeoisi9800]

I agree!

[@sumairshirazi]

Exactly 💯 women have no idea about how men think

[@sumairshirazi]

Exactly 💯 💯

[@petereames3041]

Well Said

[@katansi]

Well, most doctors don't exactly come from working class backgrounds lol. She's completely disconnected from history.

[@Honest_Opinion_Truly]

As a man, I can guarantee you that our careers are not our purpose. A lot of people mistaken passion for purpose. Many men find purpose in providing security and safety for our wives, children and even our countries. Pursuing a career & working for your boss is not what really gives you purpose.

[@Kim-dl7lv]

That is what the purpose of a good man is. I find it very sad that the feminist movement tries to tell these women that they deserve to have the same opportunities and life as a man and when they try to live the life of a man they seem to choose the life of men whose goals in life are money, status and lots of sexual partners, not a hardworking family provider and willing to go into battle for their countrymen.

[@been3388]

That's my husband too. Thank you for being a good man!

[@captainmaim]

HEAR HEAR! I'm not working to achieve a purpose at the office, I'm working to support my family. The only reason I work at all is because they pay me. If I got paid the same to not work, I'd be home-schooling my kids. best day of my life was when my son broke the tv remote. He handed it to me and said (through tears), "you told me not to, and I did it anyway, and now it's broken and I'm sorry." I hugged him and swore my love anyway IN EVERY CASE, and then we went to the store and bought a new remote. It was the best day ever.

[@mallorypaddock163]

It doesn't seem entirely fair to speak for all men. I love that you don't live to work, neither do I, but some people truly devote themselves to their career, it's what gives them purpose and fulfillment. I've had relationships end because the guy really valued his career over our relationship and creating a family, and we are both the better for it ending. He found someone who shares in his values for work and partnership, and I found someone who shares in mine. In fact I'm getting married next week!

[@GenerationNextNextNext]

Many women also find purpose in providing security and safety. That doesn't mean they do this by staying at home.

[@SaffronGreywolf]

"The homemaker has the ultimate career. All other careers exist for one purpose only - and that is to support the ultimate career". -C.S. Lewis

[@laurar5551]

^^^ a dumb opinion lol

[@je__.]

beautiful quote

[@AstroMartine]

The most boring career..women should be allowed to do what they want. I can respect some women's choice to be homemakers but they should respect my choice to work, too. Personally, I think being a homemaker is just a little bit better than being in prison.

[@zmanzeta7776]

@@SaffronGreywolfthat person has no idea who he is lol

[@zmanzeta7776]

@@laurar5551oh please elucidate on what is dumb about it…. It’s absolutely correct.

[@Maya-sv6yk]

So referring to sex as the means of procreation is dehumanizing, but killing a living human being in the womb is not? I am very confused by Bronte's logic.

[@shannonmaria22]

Isabel Brown won, hands down! 👏🏻

[@ashleyg.3995]

Only to conservatives, which seem to be the majority group here lol

[@beckischreyer]

From a retired CPA, single mom and now grandmother… I agree … Isabel won. I’m so incredibly grateful for a 41 year career that made it possible to support my family on my own. I’m incredibly grateful for the “feminist” movement before me (60s and 70s) that opened up a male dominated profession to me… I had little to no prejudice or blocks to my career because of my gender. But now… at this exact point in my life… motherhood and now grandmotherhood… is what gives my life meaning that would be completely missing without them ❤

[@mommak8342]

@@ashleyg.3995You mean logical people.

[@adrianharry5336]

@@ashleyg.3995only to logical people (conservatives) CORRECT

[@leandraainlove]

The most liberating thing for me was when my husband said I can stay home and take care of myself and the house and family and that he would carry the load of financially supporting our family. I love the patriarchy! ❤

[@user-dv8bs7tb5c]

Yes!!!

[@milo_thatch_incarnate]

Yes! Bronte complained specifically that studies show that men don't carry an equal load of _housework_ as their wives... but they also work _way more!_ The "patriarchal" gender roles ARE an _equal balance of workload._ Feminists just seem to keep missing that. A stay at home wife and mom can completely unburden herself of the frustrations and stresses of a corporate job -- she just does all the housework in exchange! And the husband can happily leave the housework to his wife, and spend ALL day every day out of the house, interacting with awful people, and doing the hard corporate or blue-collar work! It's a _beautiful_ symbiosis.

[@gettingcurious4967]

I identify as a feminist and I support this for you! I think we should have choices on how we want to live, and I love that you found a partner that shares the same vision as you

[@leandraainlove]

@milo_thatch_incarnate Yes completely. He feels so much joy going doing his career outside of the house and being a provider and protecting us. The kids and ai get take care of the home and learn and grow together. It really is the most beautiful and fulfilling set up for both genders.

[@judiharry9152]

My husband worked 10-15 hours of overtime so I could do that! Then....when the 3 children were mostly raised, I earned 2 Master Degrees and taught for 20 years.

[@sallygomez1044]

I think we're now glamourizing working. From my perspective, very few people get to pursue their dreams in the workplace. Most people work because they have to. So I wouldn't equate work with pursuing one's dreams. From where I'm sitting, my husband makes the sacrifice of going to work so that I can be home with our kids and we can have everything we need.

[@Karenmarie333]

This! Id prefer not to work or raise kids

[@gettingcurious4967]

I totally agree - work is not everyone's dream and not everyone gets to pursue their dream. I also don't think that means it can't be fulfilling even if its not your #1 dream job. Work can be super rewarding, it brings new experiences, challenges, problem solving, gaining new skills, learning to communicate better - a lot of growth! Of course motherhood can also bring all of that too! Some people men and women might just prefer one of the other :) I think both partners sacrifice often some things whether you raise kids or go to work, either way you are missing out on a type of experience - but you get to pick which one you take and which ones you miss out on (or do a little bit of both in your life time if possible) :)

[@rba4377]

It’s about having choice

[@ramona8807]

Facts!

[@1239762696]

So true! Most people’s dream would be to NOT work. If you asked almost any working father if he’d rather go to work or be able to spend more time with his family at home, I’d bet a majority would wish they had more time at home with family. They work because we need money to survive in this world, not because it’s a dream. There are lucky people who have a job they truly enjoy and find some fulfillment in, but most people just go to work at a random job that covers the bills to make ends meet.

[@brodielouise9831]

I cried many times throughout the conversation, especially hearing about the medical details of an abortion. I have had an abortion in my 20’s, and was always pro choice. However, since giving birth to my daughter (who is now 2 years old) in my 30’s with a wonderful partner, I have extreme regret and guilt for ending the life of my unborn child. I feel like it was the hardest decision of my life and wish I had more knowledge and support back then. I know this left me unknowing traumatised for many years. If I could go back in time, this would be the only thing I would change in my life.

[@Ididntwantayoutubehandl]

Hey friend, I hear your heart in this comment so I wanted to reply. I want you to know if you don't already, Jesus sees your pain and He can give you comfort. He loves you and He is a forgiving, gracious savior. If you let Him be that to you. If you already know Him, wonderful. ❤ I want you to know that we all make mistakes especially in times we are young and/or don't have support or encouragement. It isn't easy to choose life when you end up pregnant and you're in a tough situation. My heart hurts for you because as a mom as well, I know how that can make you sit and think. I just wanted to comment that I see you and that you are loved and valued, no matter your mistakes. ❤ Saying a prayer for you.

[@song8777]

Talk to God and tell Him how you feel. Jesus forgives and He heals. Look to the cross. He did that for all of us imperfect people who say thank you and make a new start. God, Himself, let His son do that for us to show us how He loves us. I said a little prayer for you. God bless. ❤

[@theyoga.nutritionist]

Im with you. Same experience. ❤ my heart goes to you. Reading the comments turning to God myself has been liberating yes here and there it hits me still.

[@raedorin979]

@@brodielouise9831 i hope you are able to heal as time goes on. And congratulations on your beautiful little girl. My older girl is 2 and she's a terror and a treasure and i absolutely love her.

[@joziannapelanova8539]

Hello, I cannot imagine how hard possition it must have been. But as you said, you didn't have the support you needed that time. So you made decision based on your possibilities at that time - the best for bouth of you. If people are not ready for parenting it can harm not only themself but mostly the child. I think it's better to regret that you gave up that soul who didn't experienced any harm of life, than to regret that you brought a child to the world! If you will decide to keep your child in your 20's do you think you will have your daugter now? Will you be the same person? Will your daughter be the same person? Will you be able to give her the same opportunities? And that's the whole point of abortion for me - protect the unborn souls which cannot get the love, acceptance and support they deserve. And of course the decision comes with emotional pain, but that just simply means that you value the life because you are a good person.

[@DatlTAE]

what's crazy is that a woman would rather serve a corporation than her family. A 60 year old woman died in boise at a wells Fargo office. was not found for 3 days. There is a few things I found sad about the story. 1. No family and no one to care. 2. the money her contribution to company meant nothing. they hired someone else and the business continued you on. 3. her career ended when she did but a family does not.

[@JennyAustin-g6d]

This video reminded me of something I read recently. Have you ever heard of 'The Irresistible Seduction Formula' by Olivia Simmons? That book is so transformative, it's a life changer.

[@chelseam754]

I'm a sahm with 4 kids and I get negative comments all the time about having no career or having too many children....I think the stigma is: being a traditional mom means you are oppressed and unintelligent

[@STEAMYCRAFT]

Thank you for all you do to raise the next generation ❤

[@Coconuts-k9w]

Feminist here: no one should make you feel lesser for being a SAHM. Being a loving mother is a beautiful thing!!

[@cmcdonaldmacri]

Sahm's have the toughest job! Probably more experienced than most executives out there!

[@PlayWithSunshine]

Me too! The looks I get being out with my kiddos during the week (we homeschool) is wildddddd.

[@gettingcurious4967]

You should only be supported for raising your kids and being a sahm mom! thats awesome! I definitely lean liberal and I'm sorry for anyone who has ever made you feel bad or judged you for that.

[@inerfyr]

26:51 me being a father of two, I don't go to work because it is my passion and dream, I go to work because taking care of my children and my (now ex) was my honor, privilege, and joy. Men find purpose in that, in providing and protecting. No woman that i have ever met who is a mother (that actually loves her child(ren) has ever said I'd rather be chasing my dreams instead of spending time with my child(ren). This world is twisted

[@gettingcurious4967]

totally feel that, I think everyone is different. I think you just need a partner that shares the same world view and vision. I love that you are a hard working and dedicated father. It fills my heart to know children have a father like that! I don't want to spend time with my own kids which is why I'm not having them. I found a partner with the same life vision as me. We both want careers as it gives fulfillment helping others, solving problems etc.

[@meghanshu11]

Yes! I’m so glad you brought this perspective. Most men feel this way. My husband goes to work to provide for us. I have the privilege to stay home with the kids.

[@CHK12319]

Right? Who is working a 9-5 as a dream. Seriously. Her perspective on that is so dismissive of the sacrifices men have made to provide for their families.

[@bri-annaedwardine1697]

hmm. I've met mothers who said that, including my own at times. Also, as a stay at home dad, you are in a non traditional role yourself, and the feminist would I'm sure approve of this. I'm not trying to belittle your comment, rather I support what you say, that men too are nurturing and caring, it's not only for women. And I think that feminism supports that, saying we are all individuals, and gender roles are ok if you want to fit into them, but if you don't fit, that's ok too.

[@CHK12319]

@@bri-annaedwardine1697he’s not a stay at home dad

[@joyandknitting]

Argument on abortion; “we need to consider the 99% of women aborting before 10 weeks and not just the 1% who do 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions when making law” Argument on allowing men into women’s spaces: “we need to consider the 1% of trans women and forsake the 99% of women when making law” Make it make sense Thank you Isabel for speaking truth and making sense. There is no truth when truth is defined by individual perspectives. I used to be very progressive, but many liberal arguments continue to deny the root of the problem and deny objective truth - its a hamster wheel that collapses in on its own ideology. it’s truly negatively impacting our society. I appreciate Bronte’s desire to want to be compassionate towards all individuals, but it comes to a point where that stance does more harm than good to certain groups of people and to society.

[@Phoebe907]

And the less than 1% of cases of rape cases that they like to bring up. Can’t have it both ways!

[@starz1500]

💯 make it make sense!

[@DavidMauerMusic]

I had the exact same thought. She’s personally choosing when the minority is more important than the majority (and vice versa) rather than having an objective standard

[@Klaug13]

It’s also hard to follow when women are oppressed or not from Brontë. On one hand she said that white women are privileged and then also says that women are universally oppressed.

[@brianshea4177]

Toxic empathy that privileges the 'rights of very few men (.01 of population) to override all women, whether they welcome men in their spaces or not.

[@ryanbirabent-genone9219]

I’m so glad that I stumbled upon this conversation. All three women did an incredible job navigating a wide ranging and challenging conversation. I’m impressed that the two debaters were so well informed, articulate and had the stamina to maintain a civil and respectful conversation despite holding drastically opposed views. I listen to a lot of long format podcasts and they are largely involving men, especially as the hosts/moderators, so it was really interesting to see an all female conversation.

[@matchangel]

We don’t have arranged marriages these days that I’m aware of. Women can Make choices in who they want to marry …

[@hannahchalk5136]

Mother here, I’d be so fucking offended if a doctor called me a birthing person. I’m a mother and I’m a woman. And as someone who was pro choice before having a child I would say having a child completely shifted my perspective on life and the innocent lives that deserve protection and human rights from the moment of conception.

[@bri-annaedwardine1697]

amen

[@monicazolczynski6694]

Exactly! If anyone , especially a medical professional called me a birthing person I would get up and walk out of the room. So ridiculous and disrespectful.

[@emmagillette6249]

Well, a doctor wouldn't call you a birthing person. Because you identify as a woman. The term "birthing person" is only used broadly in some cases when trying to acknowledge that there are trans men who also give birth.

[@ReallyMartha]

Absolutely. I was also very pro-choice when I was young, and becoming a mother blew that away for good. The beings growing in us are humans from the beginning, just at a different stage.

[@annawilliamson2986]

100% agree!!! If being a feminist means honoring woman being uniquely themselves - motherhood is one of the only truly uniquely feminine things a woman can do!

[@Jac-20B20D]

I worked for Planned Parenthood as an abortion consultant and we did not prepare patients for what many of them would experience. Many of my medication abortion patients ended up in the ER. I have since changed my mind and have become prolife. I have immense guilt for my part in the lives that were lost. I saw women use abortion as birth control because they were afraid the pill would make them gain weight, or because it was inconvenient and then would decline birth control after an abortion… I often saw those women come back for a future abortion. If you don’t want to become pregnant, there are ways to prevent it. Use the pill, use a condom, don’t have intercourse. Teach your children to respect the consequences of sex. If you don’t think you want to have a child with that person, you probably shouldn’t have sex with them… that goes for both sexes.

[@Mrs_Awili]

Thank you for the vulnerability of sharing your past and for exposing the wrongful use of abortion in many cases. I agree, a solution to abortion would be proper education about consequences of sex.

[@sarahkrippneriszen]

Thank you for sharing! May I offer that you release the guilt and channel that energy into sharing this story. I think you have a lot to offer in this perspective. 💗

[@LJaime-yn5eg]

Well said ! 👏!!!!

[@LJaime-yn5eg]

❤️!

[@faithsummerr]

say it louder 👏🏽

[@danielaparcel2647]

It's interesting because sometimes I feel guilty that my husband has to go to work everyday rain or shine, under slept sometimes because we have a toddler and an infant, so that I can live my dream of staying home with my children and baking bread and cooking meals from scratch. I've not once thought of it as putting my husband's dreams or career aspirations first. That's crazy. Most people work to live and would quit if they could.

[@Coconuts-k9w]

I know someone who wanted to be an ER physician since she was in jr high. She’s now 30 and does exactly that. She pursued her dream and is also a wonderful mother. She would never quit- she loves her job and being a mother. That’s not crazy.

[@SomeHippieDietitian]

Yes agreed! The majority of people aren’t working their dream job, they are just working where the can to make ends meet. I hate the thought of not getting to raise my children just so that I can go use my life for the success of a business/corporation. We chose a small house and used cars so we could afford to give our kids a clean(ish), safe, happy home with nutritious foods. I have a friend that got into so much debt to become a PA, now she dreams about being able to stay home with her child but she can’t. She got her dream career, but now it’s inescapable. She has to remain the bread-winner for her family.

[@chaosmos24]

This person is an extreme outlier. ​@@Coconuts-k9w

[@aspreedacore]

@@SomeHippieDietitianmy dream job is a job I quality for that pays me 2000 a week preferably in my sleep. Since I’m not that smart, popular… my only option is basically winning a win for life ticket or real estate…

[@britneyt9253]

@@SomeHippieDietitian just curious, why does have to remain the breadwinner for her family?

[@fl_snorkeldork]

"Abortion is like inducing a period." No, it is not. How does this person have a medical degree?

[@eclektric]

Misoprostol? I don't think you know yourself

[@dimitriwebb184]

.....wait what do you think it is????

[@crossfitruston3632]

She’s rich and her parents paid for it, that’s how.

[@shaynabobayna1723]

There are people who had miscarriages and thought it was just a heavy period who later found out from a Dr that they did have a miscarriage

[@danielstark8356]

You've got to remember that doctors often specialize. She may have an expertise in a certain area of medicine, but that doesn't mean she's an expert on abortion.

[@hunterseufert8066]

"I choose to use inclusive language" = "I choose to spew nonsense"

[@gettingcurious4967]

What makes inclusive language nonsense? Sorry I'm just confused, I don't understand

[@hunterseufert8066]

@gettingcurious4967 I was referencing the portion of the video where the medical professional was having a hard time connecting pregnancy to women. Individuals choosing to *identify* as something other than what they are does not negate the fact that "women get pregnant" is a more accurate statement than "people get pregnant". It's nonsensical to incorporate terms from the social sciences into medical science.

[@hunterseufert8066]

@@gettingcurious4967 Well, I suppose what makes it nonsense is that it is an exercise in trying to prune your language of "discrimination" which is entirely subjective. Therefore, it often assumes precise language is discriminatory and consequently causes people to speak in nonsense as opposed to precise language. Another way to think about it is that it stems from the idea that you can control the hatred in people's hearts by controlling their language which is a terrible mistake. You can try and make the language pretty, it will not help with making people's behavior any nicer.

[@letthelightshinein]

👏🔥

[@savanahbbb]

Imo Staying at home with your babies is the most fulfilling thing. Yes it can be hard, but worth it

[@C.Church]

As well you should as your choice. I agree.

[@marcipratt7185]

Amen! Greatest thing I’ve ever done, hands down. And let’s be honest, anything worth doing is always difficult and refining.

[@Fearlessly91]

All you have the ability to say is “staying home with MY babies is/was the most fulfilling thing to ME.”

[@mancipiachristi9032]

Agreed. Blows my mind that some mother's choose to drop off their kids at day care to go and serve/work for someone else rather than serving/ caring for their own babies. And I'm not talking about mother's that need to work to make ends meet but the mothers that financially don't work

[@SP-ml3bs]

Why does it always have to be the mom? My brother hates working and would prefer to be a stay at home dad but feels he has to work because he is a man. His wife hates staying home with the kids and prefers to get out of the house and go work. Gender roles harm all genders. I am against the Patriarchy because it reinforces harmful gender roles.

[@aria9615]

Listening to this as I joyfully tidy up my home while carrying my newborn in her baby wrap and my husband is in a meeting with his boss for his promotion. The satisfaction from my nursing career doesn’t compare to the satisfaction serving my family brings me. Wish I had started sooner. I certainly bought into the negative ideas of marriage and recently realized how wrong they are. So now I’m almost 35 and very grateful I still have the opportunity to experience the joy of family in this way.

[@sleepycherisse]

@@aria9615 you're the exception not the rule

[@theauthorwholovesmusic-pl1xw]

@sleepycherisse You can say that a lot but you can’t ignore that this is what we are biologically designed for. In fact, it’s the opposite; female breadwinners are the exception, not the rule.

[@sleepycherisse]

@theauthorwholovesmusic-pl1xw there aren't many households in America that can live off one income

[@aria9615]

@@sleepycherisse we live very frugally, I think it could be more common than it is.

[@robynlmt24]

Love this, what a beautiful picture you painted. I’m 36 and sahm mom as well and I’ve wished many times that I had started my family sooner.

[@larianyoyola1311]

I’m the happiest being a stay at home mom and I feel resentful when I have to work because of the time taken away from my family. I always felt unhappy and unsatisfied working. My mom always tried to program me to be a workaholic. My dad wanted me to have some big career. And I was talked down to and looked at crazy for just wanting to be a stay at home mom.

[@gettingcurious4967]

I love that you did what made you happy and fulfilled!

[@timothygregory685]

When you say that you dont like having To work... Just remember that the most important work and the hardest work (but the most rewarding work) is being a homemaker and mother. Its just what the Bible says (Titus 2:5) its the best work and all other jobs exist to serve the job of homemaker. Mothers are culture builders, men bring home the money to build culture ultimately. Dont sell yourself short, you are working!

[@rba4377]

It’s about having the option

[@Imzadi]

Same exact story. I felt absolutely burdened by the expectation of my family to have a big career. I was so afraid when I announced that I was going to stay home with our baby. I still get questions today about when I will go back to work. The answer is: I am doing my work. I am a wife and a mother.

[@larianyoyola1311]

@@rba4377 It’s about the illusion of having an option and when you choose what society doesn’t want you get judged for it. Just like when ppl say they are “pro-choice”. When a teen mom chooses to keep a baby they are outraged because they’re not “pro-choice” they are pro-abortion.

[@sophiemateo3578]

I rarely hear anyone talking about all of the sacrifices husbands and fathers make. My husband sacrifices nearly every day of his life to go work for someone else to earn income for our family so that I can be a stay at home mom. I'm certain that fathers would rather spend time with their wives and children as opposed to sacrificing their whole day to earn an income. Motherhood requires sacrifices, AND so does fatherhood. Staying home with your children is a blessing.

[@Ella_Vande]

Yeah, when she suggested that women stay home with the kids so men can go out and chase their dreams all I could think was “Oh yes, since he was a little boy my husband always dreamed of working in a warehouse loading and unloading trucks for 40+ hours a week. That’s why I’m always home with the children.” Ma’am, give me children and housework any day. The temperature is single digits in the morning now and I do not want to go out in it. He even lets me keep my car in the garage and deals with shoveling the snow and brushing off his car before he leaves for work at 7 a.m. I’m not even thinking about getting up at that point. Sure sounds like chasing dreams to me. 🙄

[@bluemango12]

56:40 I am so glad Isabel didn't let the "semantics" bone go!! That was an incredible argument!!!

[@flybabyskybaby]

Yes I went crazy 😂😂

[@sophiawaechter-cass2080]

So wild that Bronte was shaking her head when Isabel was describing the symbiotic relationship between mother and her child in the womb. As if that's not one of the greatest miracles to ever exist. Why are feminists so hell bent on pushing this narrative that pregnancy is the worst thing to ever happen to a woman? They treat it like it's some awful, horrible condition that leaves you predisposed for anxiety, depression and physical disability. That is just not the truth and creating all of this fear is disempowering women.

[@gettingcurious4967]

Pregnancy is really amazing! 100% agree its incredible. and I agree that narrative on it being the worst exists-buts its not the majority of people that identify as feminists - its a loud minority (keep in mind social media feeds us stuff that will piss us off - even if its not the majority of view points)- but saying its always the most wonderful, beautiful, thing ever is also not helpful. Pregnancy is different for everyone. I hope its not the worst thing to happen to a woman, I hope that if someone is pregnant they are happy about it and its amazing - because it absolutely can be - but it isn't for everyone. I think we can hold those two truths at once. I think knowing risks is important so we can minimize them and work toward making sure mothers have the right support available if needed! I agree it should not be a one sided narrative ever.

[@AnnSmajstrla]

You’ve never heard of women who’ve had traumatic pregnancies?

[@dorifrazer687]

Pregnancy is great for many women. It was great for me, except for always being on the verge of passing out. Some women are MISERABLE during prenancy and many wind up with serious disorders.

[@paulatreides4274]

"Why are feminists so hell bent on pushing this narrative that pregnancy is the worst thing to ever happen to a woman?'' If you dig deep enough you will see feminist philosophy promotes dissolution of the family or families headed by masculine men. Strong families have a greater resistance to state control. Single women and mothers are much more vulnerable and seek protection from the state that the husband or father would provide.

[@11rs11]

Pregnancy f***ing sucks! I had two pregnancies with hyperemesis gravidarum, with the second one landing me in the ER from dehydration. Now, I'm looking to get my tubes tied because pregnancy is an absolute curse.

[@ProjektReaper]

Isabel Brown really impressed me during this conversation. So much knowledge on these topics, rather than leaning on empty platitudes.

[@brianshea4177]

@@ProjektReaper and logically incoherent.

[@sandrapicton8961]

@@brianshea4177 Not sure what or who was logically incoherent. I really hope you did not mean Isabel who is both logical and coherent.

[@brianshea4177]

@@sandrapicton8961 Sorry for the confusion but I meant that Bronte R is the one leaning on empty platitudes and is logically incoherent. That she is now a trained Medical Doctor shows the degree of ideological capture by the trans mob. I have numerous family members in medicine and unfortunately their training is now mainly technical rather than humane and philosophic.

[@bat-elmiller4285]

why are babies in the womb a fetus in abortion arguments but a baby in murder cases? Every time a woman was killed while pregnant the lawyer will always go for double homicide/murder etc...just a thought. Isabel Brown is incredible great convo.

[@alyssamangrum9074]

I’ve always said the same thing!!!! Make it make sense.

[@bobbiehall2830]

There was an increase in murders of pregnant women by their partners and so they passed harsher laws to not only deter men from harming and murdering women they have impregnated but ensuring they are punished to the fullest extent of the law if they did. If you look at the cases it’s women that are far along and were looking to carry to full term. The law was created to protect women wanting to carry from their murderous partners. It was NOT created to determine when a fetus is deemed a baby.

[@GenerationNextNextNext]

So what's your stance on ectopic pregnancy?

[@elizabeth714]

@GenerationNextNextNext An abortion is the intentional removal of a healthy embryo from the uterus to end a pregnancy. An ectopic pregnancy is a life-threatening condition where an embryo implants outside of the uterus. Ectopic pregnancies have no impact on the abortion discussion.

[@butterflymage5623]

@@bobbiehall2830yeah, that’s not how precedent works in law.

[@anatolia613]

The mental gymnastics that she has to make to get out a sentence about "pregnant people" is diabolical.

[@cherkkiable]

Out of this conversation, one thing comes to my mind regarding the mental health crises in young women. I'm in my late 30s snd looking back at my great-grandmas', grandmas' and mom's lives, theirs lives were much more difficult. Once I asked my grandma how did they make it. She simply said there was not time for mental breakdown as there was not time for that. She was a doctor and knew encountered psychiatric patients on daily basis, so there was no confusion with that. I believe today's mental health crisis is nourished by media and the fact that we're rising less and less resilient kids not able navigating in the real world.

[@hackerj23]

“Depends on the studies you look at” says the woman who has no studies to support her position.

[@youngexile]

Or the "obviously, we're reading different studies". Isabel pulls up studies on her phone. Bronte "oh I don't have my phone on me."

[@thatsmynamesowhat2949]

Exactly

[@paola-h4n]

Motherhood is hard and that’s why it’s rewarding.

[@gettingcurious4967]

so true! Careers are also hard which is why they are rewarding too :)

[@sleepycherisse]

Motherhood is not for everyone

[@Aryaba]

Try roofing any time of year.

[@stayathomemarine]

​@gettingcurious4967 Motherhood is more complex than a career though. That is the difference. There is no hand book for being a parent.

[@sleepycherisse]

@@stayathomemarine so what. That doesn't mean women should be forced into it.

[@meghanshu11]

Just because something is “difficult” doesn’t mean we shouldn’t pursue is Brontë. There is more to life than our “happiness”, sacrifice is love.

[@gettingcurious4967]

Totally agree! Difficult things are often worth it! Whether thats having kids or pursuing a career that helps others or whatever other challenges one takes on! Challenge is the spice of life, and happiness is just a feeling, its comes and goes. Its more important to be at peace with your decisions and live aunthentically.

[@DetachedK]

She is a doctor too, so she is purposely not only doing it but purposely spreading the news to do it. Dark

[@martaso643]

Sacrifice is love? It is if you WANT to sacrifice, and in that case is not even a sacrifice because it becomes fulfilling and pleasurable in some way. If sacrificed is imposed on someone, that is not love, that is a prison. That is why it's good to be able to choose for yourself what kind of life you want or you feel ready to embrace. That is all Bronte is defending: choice.

[@DetachedK]

@@martaso643 Bronte is defending murder of a new life, we have condoms and 20 plus ways to prevent a pregnancy, we engage in sex we know what that entails, humans are not stupid, I think anyone trying to redefine a human life are vile and evil and should be shunned from society's

[@DetachedK]

@@martaso643 she is defending murder, we have more than 20 plus ways to prevent pregnancy, I think anyone trying to redefine a human life are vile and evil and should be shunned from society's

[@Madiwildhair]

Grateful to have chosen life after nonconsensual conception. My daughter is the joy of my life! ❤

[@taram9409]

God Bless you!

[@desertdweller9255]

You are a wonderful person! Your child is lucky to have a mom like you! Not all kids get so lucky.

[@TenaRoberto]

Your very special and courageous to share your experience and I applaude your courageous loving choice❤

[@jazztazz770]

My husband was conceived non consensually and he’s the best man I know ❤

[@corriesmith2294]

That is great for the original commenter but not everyone feels that way. That’s why having a choice is important

[@LoveCoveredLifePodcast]

I think this was your best episode yet! I really appreciated how both women were professional, articulate and respectful! I found myself understanding both viewpoints.

[@DaughterOfOaks]

As a woman and mother of two young adults, I must say that it truly hurts my heart (and brain) to consider how much propaganda and indoctrination has taken place over just the last few years in our society. Scary to consider all of the ramifications. Much respect to Isabel Brown for eloquently articulating truth and facts with such grace and poise here. Thank you.

[@sleepycherisse]

Women choosing better men is a good thing

[@ashleyjohnson5026]

Yes, it’s heartbreaking how women view children in the womb. Praying to God to soften our hearts💌

[@cranberrymuffins]

the funny thing is, I completely agree with you in the first half of your message but Isabel Brown is spreading this propaganda.

[@shawnpatton3795]

Is religion truth and facts or is it a belief? If you respect truth and facts to you reject religion in your life?

[@gawainjones9612]

​@@sleepycherissetoo bad for women who want to choose better men since our society doesn't support boys becoming quality men. Somewhere along the line, it was decided that investing in males would detriment females like some zero sum us versus them competition.

[@abgr987]

Historically men could chase their dreams while the moms had to stay home….? I think historically men were out working, finding jobs, being drafted to war etc. Read history.

[@alexhale2596]

Yes you should read history. Men have beared many burdens over the years ..

[@taram9409]

YES spot on!

[@JackieJ2009]

I am a 29 yr old wife, stay-at-home mom of three, and I can honestly say I'm incredibly happy and fulfilled. Even on my toughest days, the joy I get from my role is incomparable. My work is eternal, and I thank the Lord every day that my husband is a hardworking provider, I am able to stay home and create a loving home for us. I truly believe that building strong marriages and families that honor the Lord leads to a stronger, more well-rounded society.

[@SomeHippieDietitian]

Heck yes 🎉

[@gettingcurious4967]

beautiful

[@michaelaisgro8070]

33 year old mother of 2 and recently stay at home. My husband works hard to support us. Every single day is fulfilling. I love to serve my family and homemake/homestead. Thanks be to God! There is a reason why traditional role worked in general.

[@been3388]

I love this for you! I so wish I could have and that many children by the time I was 29. I am 36 now with 4 biological children this side of heaven and praying that God will bless us with another.

[@sandrapicton8961]

Yes. Society is built on families, not individuals.

[@Chulaxcabra]

I’m over halfway through this video. I came here with an open mind as a conservative woman and I just cannot fathom how ridiculous Brontë Remsik sounded and how condescending she was at certain points. Anyone can be a doctor, and just because this person is a doctor doesn’t make them reputable. For crying out loud, she refers mothers to birthing people… what the hell kind of a delulu world are we living in? It doesn’t shock me though, she lives in one of the most progressive states. She’s been indoctrinated by her school to practice this way and to be inclusive. All of this to say Isabel came very prepared for this discussion. She knew what she was talking about, she sounded very confident and very well spoken. Excellent job Isabel.

[@platypups]

I agree. And Brontë was close to tears the whole time 😅 because her position comes entirely from emotion and indoctrination. Isabel stayed calm and presented nothing but well-researched facts while Brontë resorted to ad hominem attacks designed to belittle Isabel's stance. Quite incredible.

[@amandap8214]

Really scary that Bronte is a trusted physician. Terrifying

[@StarGrimm-vo3os]

I don’t trust her, does that help?

[@ap-xc5em]

Exactly.

[@sleepycherisse]

She'd be much more open to a wide variety of patients, not just the ones that think like her. Conservatives don't like mingling with anyone else.

[@amandap8214]

@sleepycherisse I completely disagree and think it's the other way around

[@sleepycherisse]

@amandap8214 there are doctors who refuse to perform abortions, judges who refuse to perform marriages, bakers who refuse to make wedding cakes for same sex... the list goes on

[@Jessica-pf1sc]

The idea that moms have had to “lift up men” by staying home and taking care of the kids while dad is gone 40+ hours a week. Most men are not “chasing their dreams” Brontë. They would love to be home relaxing with the fam. 😅

[@martaso643]

Exactly. That is why feminism hopes men and women to equally split responsabilities so that both can enjoy their careers and also their families. Unfortunately we live in a capitalist society which just takes the oportunity of seeing women wanting to work to just exploit both men and women, still keeping both of them poor and then keeping the kids in schools the entire day and still blaming them for wanting a different life. It's sad.

[@rebeccasaldanha9921]

Exactly. Feminism is effectively dead. These 4th wave feminists love the word "demonize" and victimize, romanticize reality. It's really terribly sad. It's hard to believe she is a physician but then again, it's not hard to believe considering the the modern medical indoctrination

[@rebeccasaldanha9921]

Saying "I have a trans friend" is equal to saying "I have a black friend" (so I know all about that community. THESE are the doctors this system is churning out!

[@Jessica-pf1sc]

@@martaso643 The point of marriage and family life is not to fulfill your own desires and preferences. It is to have humility and do what is best for the family as a whole, especially the children. The traditional roles of men and women have existed for so long because women are designed to be best for nurturing children and men are designed to be better in the workforce. Nature doesn't lie.

[@Ash-js2ig]

I find it so disturbing that so many medical professionals can say with a straight face that abortion is not murder and men can be women. How can we trust any of these institutions with such willingness of them to lie about basic concepts.

[@savannahdesousa135]

Because they spent YEARS studying these things so they know what they’re talking about

[@Karenmarie333]

You mean political nuance and gender fluidity? Concepts that have been around for millennia...Something you'd learn in any freshmen sociology college course...

[@JMagnoliaSalas]

Because they have been conditioned to think this way, the more educated the higher the indoctrination.

[@gisellemagraibhaigh8342]

Being any kind of "professional" isn't insurance against the desire to belong...thats how cults spread their awful ideologies 🤷

[@bobbiehall2830]

Murder is a living person killing another living person. Abortion is the equivalent of a woman plucking a seed to prevent it from growing into a flower. Medical professionals are able to defer from an 8 week fetus and a living baby. Religious and ill-researched people are unable to defer the difference between a 8 week fetus and a living baby. Because all they see is a possible child. Potential and realistic are two different things.

[@Liashwarma]

I’ve never heard of Isabel Brown but the girl is spot on! Well done.

[@been3388]

She is fantastic. She used to do a lot of pro-life speaking in hostile environments and always had such grace and poise.

[@aspreedacore]

@@been3388yeah she was Kristin Hawkins partner in truth

[@been3388]

@@aspreedacore Yes! I couldn't remember her name, thank you. Kristin Hawkins is a fantastic warrior for truth.

[@judahpage6373]

I love these comments! They’re restoring my faith in humanity. Thank you to the men who took the time to listen to this podcast and share your perspectives. I am a mother of two grown men whom I adore and respect. After 12 years as a single, empty nester and swearing I would never be a mom again, I have found the most amazing man. I am consciously choosing to become a mother again with him, rather than continuing to live my life "free" and single. I am loving the journey of learning how to be a homesteader in Mexico, living as the adoring wife to my man, and preparing myself for the immense responsibility of motherhood once more. I feel privileged!

[@brynleyprang7850]

While I believe that a woman is not/should not be solely defined by being married or having kids, these things also shouldn’t be stripped of the immense purpose and identity that they provide a woman. There is a reason that we put “beloved daughter, wife, and mother…” on gravestones instead of “beloved secretary.”

[@samupon_a_star8258]

😅 Great point 👌🏽

[@elizabethbyleryounts]

I don’t need someone else to validate my “unseen” labor. That’s your own internal work.

[@ninap1076]

Amen 🙏🏽

[@SaguarosJourney]

Truth

[@Sammieq27]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@je__.]

people nowadays lack of integrity and starve on recognition and attention

[@anastasiya8314]

Facts. The only one I care who sees my “unseen” labor is my husband who is my partner and who picks up the slack when I can’t keep up with my work at home and with my kids. I take care of my household as the manager of my household and that’s my business.

[@jennellecocco7211]

1:14:12 “If you don’t have a uterus, you are coming at it from a perspective where that opinion will never impact you” Really? So the fathers, whose partners abort their babies aren’t impacted when their child is killed?

[@AnnSmajstrla]

I think what she meant was that the fathers won’t have to make a decision re. whether they want to grow a child inside their body for 9 months.

[@gettingcurious4967]

I think she also might have meant a lot of the lawmakers specifically -she noted the men passing laws- mostly much older wealthy men for the most part who are done having kids - and are not in the position of people making those choices.

[@jennellecocco7211]

@@AnnSmajstrlaOf course that’s what she meant. But that’s part of the problem. Someone with her view always prioritizes the woman over other parties involved (the father/the child), never even mentioning the impact on either of the other parties, as if they literally don’t exist.

[@je__.]

sadly a lot of men prefer that than taking responsibility or more than they already have

[@AnnSmajstrla]

@@jennellecocco7211 because the woman is impacted in a way that the other two aren’t. And she matters.

[@charissadubin9355]

Feminism not long ago: women can do it all! No limits! We can do anything! Feminism now: it's unfair that women are expected to do it all! We can't do everything!

[@DetachedK]

I agree, boys are falling behind in schools and men's suicides rates are at an all time high, but women can still complain on killing babies and more. We should have voted Harris..... nothings changed much, just more suffering for men as usual.

[@savannah6582]

Being able to do anything and doing everything are very different..

[@DetachedK]

@@savannah6582 no worries, boys are few and men are almost all gone, it will all be yours 😊😊

[@elizabethbyleryounts]

Yes!

[@alenatorres7071]

No... it's always been about women having the RIGHT to the same career opportunities as men and getting paid the same. They were never fighting and arguing that they wanted to do it all.

[@Janieandtheboys17]

Isabelle KILLED this debate. 🔥 Great job girl!!!

[@barquero7111]

I scrolled for a good while in this comment section and did not find a single comment supporting arguments touted by the feminist; made my day.

[@shaynabobayna1723]

Well, here's one! The conservative lady says many housewives are "self-reporting" as happy and fulfilled. That's called convenience sampling and results in a biased sample, a flawed study. What should be done instead to have a more accurate study is sending a questionnaire to maybe 500000 or so housewives/stay at home mom's asking them multiple questions and go forth with who answers.

[@wintersolstice90]

@@shaynabobayna1723 I agree. It makes me think this study was aimed at like a parenting magazine or trad wife group. No woman I know actually thinks this at the end of the day.

[@GreatGrace1123]

​​@@wintersolstice90 then that would be a confirmation bias. "I don't know anyone who does blank so therefore that must not be true" and that's why the true statistics are very important pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10954095/

[@GreatGrace1123]

​@@shaynabobayna1723 pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10954095/

[@platypups]

​@@wintersolstice90 I'm a woman and I do. My sister does. My friends do.

[@CHK12319]

This new and imagined right to consequenceless casual sex is so harmful. If your pursuit of pleasure ends in murder, its immoral.

[@laurar5551]

If you think abortion is murder you're uneducated.

[@sandrapicton8961]

Morality and right and wrong have disappeared from media vocabulary (except when money is involved).

[@desertdweller9255]

Exactly! The feminist said that women should have control over their own bodies. Yes, they should! They should learn to keep their legs closed if they don't want children! The saying doesn't even make sense because the baby is NOT part of the woman's body. It's a cheap cop out for not having self control or self respect.

[@milimilimili2]

Sooo abortion is "self-defense"? 😅😅 So the consequences of having sex (getting pregnant) is an act of violence against oneself?! Who's fault is it? The baby's?? I think there's a huge lack of taking responsibility here.

[@SJ-ru4ej]

That's pretty much how all people are on Bronte's side of the aisle. Really insane that we've gotten to this point. And then what if the pregnancy is wanted? Is it still self defense?

[@bobbiehall2830]

I would not have called it self defense per se. A lot of people confuse intentions and unintended consequences. The intention of people having sex not for procreation is PLEASURE. The unintended consequence is pregnancy. A layman’s term example: You intentionally get into your car to drive from point A to point B. However, you unintentionally get into an accident. Now comes the responsibility. You have now suffered an unintended consequence of getting into an accident while driving your car. Now you must decide the best course of action for this unintended consequence. Women want to experience sex for the intentional pleasure. And some are met with an unintended consequence of pregnancy. So they now have to accept responsibility in how to handle this unintended consequence. Your confusion and questions are hung up on whose fault. Is it the man’s for having too driven of sperm? Is it the women’s for being too fertile? Is it both of theirs for wanting pleasurable sex? Is it the potential child’s? No one is at fault. But it is the woman and the woman alone who has to carry all the responsibility because it will be her that is physically altered. No one can walk up to a woman and demand her to carry a child for them. No one can demand you or anyone to physically alter your body because everyone’s body is their own to decide. I’m sure you’d ask next “What about the potential child’s body?” And I would say “what body?” Because there is only the potential of a child unless the woman decides to carry to full term.

[@SuperBlueSky105]

​@@SJ-ru4ej Good question, one that most pro- choice would side step

[@emilyk.5664]

@@milimilimili2 it's a ridiculous argument. Babies cannot use force and they simply exist where they are created by the parents. The only place we are meant to exist in the beginning stages of our lives. Abortion is using lethal force against the baby... Bronte and all pro-abortion advocates have such terrible logic.

[@sleepycherisse]

Having sex for pleasure is not consent to get pregnant

[@Madeline64]

Brontë just said that we are legally allowed to kill someone in emotional self defense.. that is a new one I’ve never heard of before..

[@C.Church]

Men used to do that all the time. "Them's fighting words!" or "Say that to my face!" type of excuse to start throwing fists. Also "Crime of passion" excused with "I can't say I'd do differently" when they hear about it in the news.

[@sleepycherisse]

@Madeline64 Emotional? What about physical self-defense? Take a look at the maternal mortality rates in the US.

[@C.Church]

@@sleepycherisse My reply is gone. Yes, I agree. What I said was M have been using "them's fighting words" as an excuse forever. That's emotional.

[@passageuncharted1585]

@@sleepycherisse Unless doctors tell you your life is at risk if you move forward with the pregnancy, that's such a stupid argument and reason to have an abortion.

[@hees0009]

​@@sleepycherisse aren't those primarily from the boyfriends/ husbands/baby daddies m*rdering the women? So shouldn't we be going after the men? Not the babies?

[@OriMoscovitz]

When the girl said "pregnant PEOPLE" she lost the argument. When she can't say men cannot get pregnant.

[@taram9409]

Yes, seriously, that was ridiculous 🙄 I rolled my eyes so hard.

[@ashleyjohnson5026]

Yes. I went to my OB a couple of days ago and guess what was on their poster for the female reproductive system. A vagina. Maybe OB offices will start to have posters for the anatomy of penises soon in order to be inclusive lol.

[@kylielynn9398]

​@@taram9409 Same

[@perpetualprocrastinator]

Those people cant be saved, they are plugged deeply into the matrix.

[@mamo4753]

The problem is that conservatives, when asked "What is woman" They give the braindead answer of "adult human female", which makes the whole "Pregnant women" thing not include the fact that girls can get pregnant; Just like you had that 10 year old pregnant girl in Ohio who was forced to give birth. "Pregnant women" implies girls can't get pregnant.

[@skymakai]

@29:00 "...depends on the studies you look at..." This is a double edged sword. If you only look at the studies that verify your bias, your perspective is always going to be flawed. And, there are poorly done studies and well tested studies. Make sure you're not just reading the headlines in order to confirm your biases.

[@cmcdonaldmacri]

It absolutely can impact men when their children are being aborted 💔

[@bobbiehall2830]

You are correct. It does mentally impact men when their potential children are aborted. However carrying and growing a child physically AND mentally impacts women. Women should not be subjected to any physical changes if they don’t want to.

[@gettingcurious4967]

100% I do think she meant lawmakers more specifically when I went back to listen. but yes it can definitely impact men too and they have the right to opinions on any subject as we all do.

[@dicerevo]

Thank you!

[@ChickFenwick]

Then maybe they should carry, birth, nurse, and raise the children themselves

[@desertdweller9255]

I saw a heartbreaking video of a young man at an abortion clinic BEGGING his girlfriend to not kill their baby. I think it's selfish for a mother to have all of the say in whether the baby is killed when the father and the child itself doesn't.

[@MeganMouw]

This conversation highlights one important point for me. It doesn't matter whether a woman chooses to be a traditional homemaker or to have a career outside of the home. It doesn't matter whether she chooses to have children or not. In all scenarios, society will find a way to judge her harshly for her own personal choices. It seems that sometimes the worst perpetrators of this judgment is women themselves. Everyone has a different views on how women "should" behave and I can't help but notice these same conversations are not being had about men.

[@RoseRose-ow5zy]

Agreed!

[@gettingcurious4967]

TY!

[@kb7075]

Exactly my feeling too 😢

[@StarGrimm-vo3os]

“The worst perpetrators of judgment is women themselves.” Thats all. thats it. well stated. feminism is judgement manifest in a movement.

[@janemacintyre4561]

1:28:16 It IS a barbaric thing regardless of the situation! The only reason she thinks that it isn’t is bc the baby is inside of the womb. If anyone were to do that to a baby outside of the womb, it would collectively be agreed upon that it is barbaric.

[@laurar5551]

no one has the right to use another persons body to survive against their will.

[@bobbiehall2830]

Interesting. Abortion is LITERALLY separating the potential fetus from the womb. Why doesn’t it survive if it’s a baby as you say? Ooooh… that’s right… it’s not a living baby… Potential and Actual are two drastically different things. Forced pregnancy IS absolutely barbaric.

[@SuperBlueSky105]

​@@laurar5551 This nature. A mother's body, since puberty has been preparing to nurture a baby. A mother looking to abort is really against her own body.

[@SP-ml3bs]

@@SuperBlueSky105 I've never wanted to get pregnant and thankfully my birth control has never failed. Just because I am a woman with a womb does not mean I want to get pregnant and give birth. Also, I am married and still don't want to use my body for reproduction.

[@grainofrice41]

@@laurar5551 It's not against their will, they CHOSE to do an activity that could lead to sex. That baby didn't CHOSE to be alive. The amount of selfishness we are conditioned to have in America now is horrific. Hearing her state that fetuses are human, yet not a person... does she hear herself? People throughout history have denied other's humanity before, and it has ended in the deaths of millions.

[@annika_boron]

Calling abortions “a genocide” is wholeheartedly the craziest thing I’ve ever heard in my life. Shame on her that is so embarrassing.

[@SophieAllesnik]

“We don’t STARVE the baby, we CUT OFF THE NUTRIENTS.” That moment was unreal.

[@benjaminarrington5136]

@@SophieAllesnik Language and how we use it is important. Yes, both are essentially saying the same thing, but one is emotionally charged and the other is medically accurate. Connotation matters in this discussion, and using emotionally charged language is manipulative and can lead to unnecessary trauma.

[@taram9409]

I think Bronte likes to just talk in circles 😒

[@TheSongDragon]

@@benjaminarrington5136 They are both medically accurate. One is simply emotional and people use specifically unemotional language when they KNOW what they are doing WOULD piss people off, and they want to find a way to sell the idea without pissing people off. Connotation only matters when you are trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes. Dont try and gaslight people. If i said "we dont STARVE people in africa, we just CUT OFF THEIR NUTRIENTS" its the same fucking thing.

[@passageuncharted1585]

@@benjaminarrington5136 No, Isabel had it correct. There is no such thing as "medically accurate". Like you even said, both are essentially saying the same thing. One is straight forward and tells it like it is, the other is just a polite way of saying it so it doesn't sound so bad to the patient. It's like Ana Kasparian said about the Left when she called out the homeless that sexually assaulted her in front of her home, then the Left attacked her, one of their very own, and said that those people weren't homeless, but "unhoused people". Lefties stretching and making up words and phrases pushing the goal post to make themselves feel better about themselves.

[@platypups]

​@@benjaminarrington5136so what is cutting off nutrients if not starving? Yeah, language matters. One is high-faluting and designed to mask the reality. The other states the facts in a way that everyone can understand without flowery language that tries to hide what the reality is...

[@Sportyspice7]

She lost me when she said abortion is self defense…I’m sorry?

[@michaiahs]

@@Sportyspice7 for reals.

[@ivory8492]

It sort of is, it’s mainly bodily autonomy ❤

[@michaiahs]

@ it’s not self defense…

[@KayMoneyRecords]

Yes it’s self defense

[@wh1tecr0w18]

It varies from situation to situation . It might not just be self defense but in defense of the horrible situation awaiting the unborn. Some people aren’t blessed with an environment to raise a child. Also, with the issues in child welfare who would want to risk that abuse?

[@laurenhb2500]

I was the kid of two full-time working parents and went to daycare/babysitters.. I hated it then and I knew that if I ever had kids then I would be a stay-at-home mom and luckily I get to do just that. After working from the time I was 16 to 30, I have been most fulfilled taking care of my kids without having to go to a job. I've never once thought about the fact that I don't get a paycheck and so I disagree with this person who says that women are discontent because if they stay home they're not getting paid. Really it's my husband I'm sad for at times and not me because he doesn't get to see them as much as I do.

[@SaffronGreywolf]

I feel the same way.

[@flybabyskybaby]

God bless you!!! This is true for me too ❤

[@Raisingwildminds]

When the liberal one referenced a study that asked mothers if they were happy with their DAY TO DAY TASKS as a marker for overall happiness, it became obvious how biased that study was, and also that she doesn't have children herself. If you asked me if I find joy in dishes and laundry I would probably be counted amongst the unhappy women she's referring to. But I would also define my life as overwhelmingly happy, as the conservative woman stated, because motherhood is vastly and deeply more than just our daily tasks ❤ I also disagree that women are the only gender that is pressured to sacrifice our dreams and wants for our families. Men objectively do the hardest and most dangerous work to support their families and society - whether it's their dream or not - and they have done so since the dawn of mankind.

[@SaffronGreywolf]

Very well said!

[@jdzspace33]

father of 3 here, I do not do what I do because it's my passion or dream. I do what I do to provide a better life for my children than the one I had. what I do for work is what I do instead of following my dreams, and I make that sacrifice voluntarily for my family. The idea that the ability to work/pursue a career has ANYTHING to do with following your dreams is thorough garbage.

[@lyndsiekreiger8649]

33:23 her remarks about selfishness, really bothered me. As a sahm, there’s so much unseen labor. Mothers are practically invisible in Society. We should be able to think about ourselves without being called selfish.

[@hackerj23]

39:40 “It’s absolutely okay to just be a mom.” Except when I said ten minutes earlier that being a mother is a crap position that only elevates the man. Oops.

[@maryangelica5319]

This is the problem I see. These people give lip service to being a SAHM, so yeah, they're not technically saying it's wrong. But people don't just communicate univocally. They also communicate their values from what they emphasize or howthey connote things. And people listen to the emphases and connotations, not just the words.

[@jimmymelonseed4068]

BTW Fatherhood is no privilege either. No man’s dream was to work a back breaking soul sucking job to provide for their family. It’s an obligation they perform gladly out of love. Motherhood should be the same thing.

[@MistySunlight-u7w]

One of the things that isn't being discussed is that "work a back breaking soul sucking job to provide for their family" isn't necessarily a Fatherhood trait.....because Wealthy and Rich Fathers are certainly not living that reality. It is the Poor Men and Middle Class men who are breaking their backs in soul sucking jobs. There are many Wealthy Fathers who are Retired early in their 30's and 40's, living off passive income, because of how much $$$$ they have. So, this all goes back to Capitalism at the end of the day. This is not a conversation for Wealthy Men who don't have to work. Wealthy Men can stay home with their kids and wife, if they feel like it. The more $$$ a Man has, the less he has to work and he can retire in his 30's or 40's. So this conversation isn't even impacting every Father or Man. Because "breaking your back at a soul sucking job" does not impact Wealthy Men. Also, many Men are also Working from Home now too, due to Technology advancements, which completely changes the family dynamic. Because Daddy or the Husband is working in the Living Room downstairs. He doesn't even leave the house to go to work due to Remote Work. Remote Work/Working From Home , again, is often a Privilege of Upper Middle Class Men. Poor Men don't have the luxury of Working from Home/Remote Work. Trying to have this conversation without talking about Capitalism is a mistake.

[@matthewkeebler2326]

​@@MistySunlight-u7wbecause the top few rich men don't need to work that invalidates the vast majority of men's experience? Interesting.

[@aspreedacore]

@@MistySunlight-u7wI agree but the exception doesn’t make the rule

[@johnvahl762]

Why does work have to be back breaking and soul sucking? We have a choice of what job we do and who we work for. Some of us have multiple jobs. If what you are doing is hurting yourself and your family, find another job. It is possible to improve your job opportunities and look for a better job while still working. If you do it right there can be stability, even with a career change. I did it and almost doubled my salary whole working closer to home.

[@SeanusAurelius]

@@johnvahl762 Why aren't you a billionaire? Go get Elon Musk's job or one like it, right? Friend, for most of history you couldn't just "get another job". Period. Secondly, you can only get a job as good as your education level, skills, natural intelligence and talent allow. Some men have a job that is as good or better than anything they've ever landed or are likely to land again and it's still not great.

[@CozyLifeStudio-zy1um]

It is interesting to hear the perspectives of two women who have not experienced motherhood before... i think the conversation would look very different if they were mothers. It's not something you can fully understand until you have experienced it. I wonder how many women who have become mothers would still support this new wave feminism... I personally never would.

[@karek4635]

It's hard to take them seriously.

[@gettingcurious4967]

I agree it would have been great to hear from mothers on both sides. I know mothers who are feminists and some who are not. They both have perspectives shaped by loving their children - but still a different approach. When I talk with feminist mothers (in my life so this is anecdote and not evidence) they are thinking about their daughter's futures - wanting to ensure they maintain rights, safety, opportunity, and protection. When I talk to more conservative mothers in my life they have similar concerns - particularly protecting their daughters - they also are religious though and that definitely impacts their views. I'd like to hear from a feminist mother and a conservative but non-religious mother.

[@sleepycherisse]

I'm a mother and I know how difficult childbirth is, how lonely it can be to be the sole caregiver. But I chose that path. Forcing it on someone who wouldn't choose it does no favors for potential children.

[@tanyahotchkiss5403]

I am. I was a stay at home mum for seven years. Its through that experience. The lack of support for postpartum depression, the lack of support in caring for myself so I could give my best for my children, the weight of caring for the home and the children, that I became a feminist. It's not easy. I think we all know that, yet, we shrug it off when women bring their struggles because its natural for us to have children. I too think the conversation would be very different if they had experienced motherhood.

[@11rs11]

​@tanyahotchkiss5403 I've been a stay at home Mom for 4 years and I agree with everything you said. Motherhood has made me a feminist. My first is also autistic and that adds another layer to my views. I see so many women saying they feel empowered by staying home, but I've been destroyed by it. My mental health has taken a nose dive. Having to hear my autistic son crying, whining, repetitive behavior all day everyday is like torture. Add in a 10 month old who has his own needs. I wish I could work, I would love to go back to work but it's hard to find care for an autistic toddler. It's bizarre to hear these ladies having a debate like this when neither of them are mothers, or mothers with kids with disorders. It's hard to take their views seriously.

[@randomyoutubeuser9465]

As a black woman, I’m so sick of women like Brontë trying to co-op our experience as a “gotcha” just because they want to be feminist. Yes there are struggles, yes I experience racism, however I love my life and I am also a conservative woman who is not a feminist. It’s actually so annoying when white feminists try to use us women of color for gold points or a catchphrase when women of color historically and even currently tend to be conservative because of our cultures and religion.

[@PatI-zg9gm]

Agreed. They are self appointed spokespeople for the black experience. It comes across as ignorant and cloying.

[@emmypickle]

I gave up my dream of being a singer simply because I knew when I had children I wanted to be home with them. I’m now a stay at home mom and have absolutely no regrets ♥️ I think the purpose of life is truly helping, serving and giving yourself to the people in your life that you love. I think people who think their life is their own to do what they want with and be selfish don’t get it yet.

[@nena00211]

Good for you! But also if people want their lives to be about them and travel the world and not have to be tied down to a child, that's OK also. Choice. That's how it works.

[@AshleyNickaline]

We can’t be mad that the science has been shown again and again that a mother raising their own children is better for those children. Maybe the conversation needs to be had on mothers battling mental health- how can these mothers be supported in their transition into motherhood? How can we better prepare woman for that transition before they even have the child? How can we become more resilient to the changes? How can we be encouraged with our new & changed bodies? How can we adapt to our new priorities?

[@gettingcurious4967]

100% agree we need more support for mothers overall!

[@Coconuts-k9w]

I think parents should definitely be supported, paid parental leave for sure. Unfortunately man people want to be home with their children but are unable to due to financial constraints. I think a big topic to address is how to encourage mothers while not making mothers who work feel inferior. It may not be the intent, but is often felt.

[@JMagnoliaSalas]

I definitely agree with this. I've come to the conclusion that the reason the transition has been so much harder for our generation is because the majority of us weren't raised around multiple children, I didn't hold a newborn until it was my own. We also were conditioned to think college and career and never about family so we just expected it without understanding the work required. Marriage & motherhood is a mindset that is a daily internal battle.

[@bobsanders4802]

It’s either by design or our leaders are incredibly stupid. Probably a mixture of both

[@EvieRombal74]

If I could “heart” This comment I would. Best comment before.

[@nataleemullen8178]

Brontë looks physically and emotionally uncomfortable the entire debate. Genuinely hard to watch her 😅 Great job, Isabel! 🎉

[@martaso643]

Yes, it's hard to listen to some things Isabel is saying, as they are borderline offensive and many times really outrageous for many people. This is not a contest. They both view the world in different ways and both have the right to do so. But no one has the right to say the other can't think the way she does. I disagree with Isabel but I respect what she said even though I disagree.

[@bryanhawkins9418]

Sure, just as many of the things Brontë said were very offensive and difficult to listen to as well. However the point that the OP is making is that Isabel still seems to remain calm and comfortable despite hearing so many difficult things that she disagrees with.

[@samupon_a_star8258]

​@@bryanhawkins9418When you walk in truth, there is generally comfort & peace within that.

[@ashleyg.3995]

It's so interesting how we view things differently based on our ideologies. Are you conservative or liberal? Bronte looks far more relaxed, prepared, composed, and poised to me.

[@platypups]

​@@ashleyg.3995 did you miss the fact that she was on the verge of tears the whole time?

[@michaiahs]

Self defense?! The baby didn’t ask to be there… that’s crazy!

[@katiee3842]

When she went on that tangent I was flabbergasted. The baby is not infringing on the mother, the mother BROUGHT the baby into existence along with the father. Overwhelmingly most abortions are from consensual sex

[@laurar5551]

It doesn't matter.. because if they're using someone else's property against their will, they have the right to remove..

[@michaiahs]

@ that’s a nonsensical argument for abortion.

[@gettingcurious4967]

I don't think that terminology is the best either. We don't allow another human to use someone's body to keep themselves alive-currently in our society we clearly value viable life that can sustain itself over non-viable life (for the most life). So we can either be consistent with this or not. It's a unique situation for sure. Morals are allowed to change but there are consequences to this as well. I say this with compassion on all sides, its not simple. I feel for people who are put in positions to make difficult choices about pregnancy, their health, and their health.

[@ashh7390]

​@@laurar5551oof. Property? Check yourself

[@brandona25]

This person is smart enough to be a physician, yet not smart enough to realize when she’s being fed lies and propaganda. The underlying psychology fascinates me.

[@flybabyskybaby]

😂🥳🥳

[@shaynabobayna1723]

She thinks you are the one being fed lies and propoganda...

[@manniefresh3425]

She made up the states about the most common cause of death for pregnant women, to put the numbers simply, about 800 woman died in 2022 from maternal related issues, 800 pregnant women were murdered between 2018 and 2022. I don’t even know why this comes up as it doesn’t apply to the vast majority of women seeking abortion.

[@Zimpalogo]

The woman on the left argues for the rights of the minority when it comes to the trans issue, but then argues for the majority when it comes to the abortion issue. She is applying different logic depending on the topic. Does this then make her an ideologue pushing an agenda? Rather than a rational conscious individual? @1:57:45 she says, "we need to recognize the majority of people this affects, not just the 1%." But says that arguing for protecting women in women-only spaces is "demonizing" trans people even though they are the 1% in that instance. Great conversation overall! Very polite and effective discourse. Thanks for sharing!

[@ktlovelivelfe]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that caught that. I thought for sure she would be called out for her hypocrisy.

[@shoshannaChana]

I think this world of using inclusive language is ridiculous to see someone in the medical field use confused people (gender dysphoria) to make herself feel good or compassionate is more of a narcissist then caring. As a doctor she should not be appeasing the delusional not to mention the damage this is doing to the younger generations by setting in confusion about their identity is abhorrent! Thank God Isabel @theisabelbrown is there to help our younger generation to give advice on reality of life and not delusion!

[@wh1tecr0w18]

She isn’t “using them”. Just like how u would be upset if you were called a lesbian or a man, she is using her voice to properly address the existence of people who are physically able to become pregnant. I think it is narcissistic of you to project your ideologies on a generation without doing enough research on the “ confused people “ you are referring to. Everyone deserves to by including especially in a debate involving them.

[@samupon_a_star8258]

That is what these people do. They push their narratives & agendas under the guise of compassion & kindness. It is absolutely horrifying when you actually take the blinders off, that what they ultimately support, is evil.

[@StilljustHelen]

Both of these women are correct. There ARE studies saying that many women are happier with families AND the women who choose not to do that are happier than they would be if they ended up with someone that wasn't right for them. I would love to be a mother and a wife, but I don't want to be that and be stuck with a man that is abusive. But please PLEASE don't kick the women who are trying to live a happy life single because the men they have found have been unworthy (abusive, childish, don't want kids). It's hard enough as it is.

[@gettingcurious4967]

Love that you brought this up

[@valeriya105]

Please have Candace Owens debate Bronte

[@Ididntwantayoutubehandl]

Lol, I think bronte would fall into the fetal position and cry.

[@smukwana]

​@@Ididntwantayoutubehandlthat's if she even knows what a foetus is 😂

[@kylielynn9398]

😂😂😂

[@samupon_a_star8258]

Yes! She should have a super intelligent woman go up against her (not that Isabel isn't), although she deserves to be put on the spot & feel uncomfortable & swallow her words. Candace will give her insane push back 🙌🏽🙏🏽♥️

[@EricJGonzalez]

26:10 The view of marriage and motherhood elevating men is such a toxic rhetoric. If you look at the jobs men took on to support an entire family I most cases, it is irrefutable that these jobs weren't desirable by any measure. As such, women gravitated towards fields of work that were more appealing.

[@amandaworkman9978]

Proud of you, Isabel Brown! Keep speaking the truth 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@STEAMYCRAFT]

Listening to the liberal makes me feel like I’m losing brain cells

[@gettingcurious4967]

Why? Genuinely curious - because I don't understand when people say this. Listening to differing viewpoints can sometimes feel challenging, but it’s an opportunity to broaden our understanding of the world and society we live in and engage in meaningful conversations. We don't have to be divisive if we seek to understand :) I'm more curious to consider how both these speakers came to they beliefs, conclusions, and view points - they both clearly care about women - just approach it differently from research, personal experience - like we all do. It makes me sad how divisive things are now.

[@lindsayball5080]

​@gettingcurious4967 if you know who alice bailey it is so clear that the lib has no original thought and is just parroting the lies of the 10 point plan and doesn't even know it

[@MichaelMcCormick-p2j]

@@gettingcurious4967it’s divisive bc these ideologues are clearly idiots and we have to pretend to take them seriously. No more.

[@platypups]

​@@gettingcurious4967hi 👋 ex-liberal here. I feel the same as the original commenter when I listen to Brontë and it's because she's twisting words and situations away from the truth to present situations in a certain way that benefits her ideology. The feeling of losing brain cells is because she's spewing propaganda instead of calmly considering any truth in her opponent's position and instead resorting to attack. This is what turned me away from the left. I realised conservatives (generally) sought truth and liberals sought to twist it. And once I shifted away from the left I stopped feeling like I was losing brain cells all the time because I was no longer being lied to. No longer being lied to that men can become women. No longer being lied to about gender pay gaps that I could see with my own eyes was patently false. No longer being lied to about the value of men and the differences between the s exes. I have never felt more alive, more awake, more free. And I can very clearly see that the only side that doesn't listen to the other is the left, just FYI. And when I was on the left I absolutely did not listen to anyone on the right because I thought they were evil without stopping to even understand their positions. And I didn't listen because that's what the left told me was imperative. And that's what I see when I listen to Brontë. Twisting words to avoid uncomfortable truths and I can feel the brain cells dying because of the thoughtless propaganda and buzz words.

[@jessicalarsen7094]

It must be exhausting to always cater to each group and identity. I'm so over it. I rolled my eyes when she was like” Us 3 women here are privileged.” good lord 🙄

[@sdust251977]

Well, I can tell you coming from a Latin family, women dreams are to be with their children and stay home. The majority hate having to work. Yes, the physician is privileged by not knowing any minority women and yet speaking as she knows them

[@jessicalarsen7094]

@ I just had my baby girl 7 months ago and I can tell you I dont want to work. I want to be with my baby girl. It's completely biological to want to stay home with them. I just dont have a choice because we cannot afford a single income. Now females dont have a choice in the matter. I'm half native American and my husband is half Korean. She doesn't know minorities and presenting as privileged to me is insulting and assuming we aren't privileged ourselves.

[@newt3786]

well yes, they’re white so they have a level of privilege

[@dorsw2402]

Ellen, I respect you so much for making the choice to step back from this part of your life to make space for what you find more important. I will miss you but really feel like this season for you is going to yield many blessings. Thank you and see you again!

[@RiceTeaLover]

Will she be back or is she done for good?

[@dorsw2402]

@@RiceTeaLover Based on a video she did and referenced in the beginning, I believe she will be back but it will be a bit later!

[@MNoodleStar]

9:00 I've never once heard someone demoralize a woman for choosing not to get married or for putting marriage off until later. They get demoralized for the attitude with which they do it. The ones who do it humbly do not get demoralized. The ones who do it and go out of their way to have a certain attitude while doing it are the ones subject to ridicule. Any neutral action can be made subject to ridicule when you start acting arrogant

[@PoliticalPerspective7]

Something that really cracks me up is that these feminist women are so self involved that they have no clue the expectations placed on men. One example is that she believes women are the only ones expected to have a family. Literally everyone expects a man to eventually want kids and have a family, same with men. The difference is women have a tighter timeline in order to accomplish that act. But BOTH sexes have the same expectation.

[@sarahndavelee1407]

Being a full-time mother has always been my dream job. Now I have 4 beautiful little human beings that make me laugh and smile everyday, even the hard days, when I'm overstimulated. My husband always said, "I never want you to work unless you want to, but not because you have to. I will work three jobs or more to take care of us." Being a sahm while they are little is SUPER vital to childrens health.

[@gettingcurious4967]

I'm so glad you are able to do this and have a partner that shares your values :) Amazing

[@sleepycherisse]

@sarahndavelee1407 That is so very rare in the US. You are the exception, not the rule.

[@taram9409]

​@sleepycherisse Yes and it shouldn't be rare. It used to be the norm.

[@Sautebalone]

Being able to birth children and to nurture and care for them is the greatest gift God has bestowed us with

[@sleepycherisse]

We don't all believe in god

[@elizabeth714]

@sleepycherisse Call it “nature” or “design” then. The point still stands.

[@sleepycherisse]

@elizabeth714 surely being alive in general is an amazing gift. Not everyone needs to procreate, especially those who have no desire to do it.

[@elizabeth714]

@sleepycherisse If being alive is such an amazing gift, then giving life must be the most incredible gift we can offer. Not everyone needs to if they don’t want to, but more power to those who choose to. Some “wants” are self-serving and uninspiring but valuing new life is not one of them.

[@faithsrealtalk2292]

The same God who had a son who NEVER married or had children? Yet that son was the greatest GIFT to Humanity

[@agataparsons9427]

If this is the way physicians are being trained, America is in such a terrible state...

[@DetachedK]

I agree strongly, and what happened to the oath they took, is this not going against that very oath to protect life?

[@SusanChristmas]

She doesn't even understand basic biology

[@emilyk.5664]

Exactly...she doesn't understand basic biology and dehumanizes us based on the circumstances of our conception. She places ideology over truth (and human life).

[@emilyk.5664]

@@DetachedK as far as I know, they don't say the hippocratic oath anymore since Roe v Wade :(

[@DetachedK]

@@emilyk.5664 Now that is scary and just made me lost the last portion of trust I have for doctors. Satanist really did takeover the institute

[@g_desiree]

That “physician” shaking her head no as she explains women bleeding out and being targeted via ambulance during an abortion is the most disgusting, gaslighting behavior I’ve seen. @ 1:26:05

[@girlybaker1241]

I enjoyed this conversation, both of them brought up very thought provoking points

[@Irislaurel]

Praying for Bronte to have her heart and mind changed.

[@martaso643]

I view it the other way around. I hope Isabel changes her heart and mind someday. It's interesting how people have such different views on life. 🤍

[@bryanhawkins9418]

@@martaso643 I’m curious, what specifically would you hope Isabel changes her mind on?

[@jennageorge5472]

@@martaso6431000% these comments really shocked me!

[@Lurch685]

@@bryanhawkins9418she wants Isabel to be as solipsistic, narcissistic, and egotistical as Bronte is.

[@seanleblanc8784]

Bronte needs an exorcist.

[@just_lurking4833]

Glamorization of work and devaluation of family is going to profoundly negatively affect both men and women in the coming decades. All of us will become isolated wage slaves and, in service of our egos, we won't even question it.

[@dallas41891]

The way she talks about "fetuses" using the mom against her will.... I don't think I've heard anything more sad and such a sad view of humanity. Ellen, I'm glad you bring these people on who have these different views... Hopefully that one statement right there will be enough to change hearts and minds on abortion.

[@SJ-ru4ej]

And what they'll never acknowledge is the VAST majority of pregnancies are the woman using her body at her OWN will. AKA consensual sex.

[@bobbiehall2830]

Yeah I definitely think she could have worded it better so others could actually grasp what she was trying to say. Forced pregnancy is definitely such a sad view and completely lacks humanity. No one can walk up to you and demand you carry a child for them because they really want it. No one can walk up to you and physically change your body in anyway without your permission. It’s called bodily autonomy and is everyone’s human right. The potential of a child and an ACTUAL living child are two drastically different things.

[@dallas41891]

@bobbiehall2830 wow! That's definitely not what I was saying at all. I am absolutely against abortion 1,000%. Even if she had worded it better, her argument in the end is that it's okay to kill a person.. And worse yet the people in all world that are most vulnerable, and most innocent. Abortion is abhorrent and the baby isn't using your body against your will. The baby never even has to be there. No one should have the right to take that baby's life.

[@SP-ml3bs]

I guess you don't think about all the women and girls who were raped and impregnated by their rapist. I was raped and thankfully I did not get pregnant but if my rapist did impregnate me it would have been against my will and I would have gotten an abortion.

[@dallas41891]

@@SP-ml3bs So you would have given the death penalty to your baby for the crimes of their dad. More evil doesn't undo the evil that was done

[@kls7645]

Thank God for Isabel 🙏🏻. I'm so grateful that there are logical women like her who can articulate truth so well against the absolutely bonkers views expressed by so many.

[@samupon_a_star8258]

Amen 🙏🏽

[@caitlynseymour2578]

My mother chose career over staying at home & she has regrets... I'm grateful to be able to stay home with my children & I can tell you, I'm the happiest & most fulfilled I've been being able to stay home. Love Isabel & how articulate she is about these topics.

[@namibianamibia1138]

How is it inclusive to strip mother from their title? If anything say pregnant person and mother

[@NiaLaLa_V]

I have never felt so left out in all my 40 years of life. This inclusive language just hurts me. I see other women saying it hurts them too. Why do our feelings not matter?

[@gettingcurious4967]

@@NiaLaLa_V Could you explain why it hurts you? earnestly, I'm not a mother and don't plan on being one so I realize I lack that perspective and would love to understand since I can't relate. appreciate your pov! :) Also I like the idea above about saying mothers and pregnant people, its longer-but it kind of solves the problem if we are worried about people feeling hurt.

[@lottie1144]

I feel that if people want to be weirdos and wave a freak flag then they should do so amongst their friends. Not teach it to students or enforce the entire nation to go along with your weirdo agenda. I am done and I am tired. Men can’t become women vice versa and I’m sick and tired of being forced to play pretend or go along with freakish fetishes. There, I said it. 😃❄️

[@milliemaxwell4370]

my reason is because it is something only women can do, it’s all female empowerment untill a woman feels exceptionally proud of what her body has achieved and the power of motherhood, it’s something sacred and pure, it feels diminishing and silly. I was asked my pronouns at my midwife appointment and it just made me laugh its ridiculous ❤️

[@Coconuts-k9w]

If someone is pregnant and does not want a relationship with the baby they are carrying (a surrogate), they may not want that title. I know someone who is a mother to three and a pregnant person of 5. She gave the gift of a child to two other families. I thought that was a really unique perspective.

[@meghanshu11]

No mother gets to the end of her life and say “wow, I really regret having my children”. But, women do get to the end of their life and say “wow, I wish I had children”. If a woman wants to change the world, her offspring is the future.

[@emmapearce3711]

Unfortunately this is untrue. I have 2 friends whose mother's both state only they wish they never had them and hate being a mother. Of course both cases for the children is lifelong mental health struggles. Also, one does not need offspring to be a mother. Take Mother Theresa for example. There are so many children and vulnerable people in the world that would benefit from motherly love and one does not need to be related to provide that ❤

[@bri-annaedwardine1697]

that's not true. I've met several mothers who regret having children. OK they wouldn't put them back, but even so, they wish they never had them. Also, yes women do often wish they'd had children, and it's often not because of a choice they made, but circumstances.

[@meghanshu11]

@@emmapearce3711 that’s extremely unfortunate. I would say those mother’s are definite outliers.

[@emmapearce3711]

@meghanshu11 I can only hope. Sadly women are often unsupported and can end up resentful from the strains of motherhood especially when still only learning to talk about post natal depression or living with undiagnosed or known mental health conditions. I hope all countries can create the supports women need in all facets of women's health, my goodness it's needed.

[@savannahdesousa135]

Soooo many women regret having children

[@Raisingwildminds]

Calling abortion SELF-DEFENSE against someone trying to invade your body is frankly, disgusting. I couldn't believe she made such a heartless comparison... You **created** that child, they didn't just waltz onto the scene and invade your body. Truly a wild thing to say. Not to mention the assertion that taking a humans entire chance at life is justified because the mother might also have been a doctor, inventor, etc. Is she aware that mothers go on to complete degrees and have successful careers ALL the time? The difference is, they have a CHANCE because no one murdered them in the womb.

[@bryanhawkins9418]

Yeah, I was baffled to hear that come out of her mouth! What a wildly unhinged idea. Aborting your kid is self-defense?? I’d let her go if I was her boss after hearing this.

[@newt3786]

@@bryanhawkins9418it is self defence, whether you like it or not.

[@linzzz519]

Is Brontë wanting women to have more representation as garbage collectors, construction workers, prison guards, mechanics, plumbers, fort-lift drivers, floor installers, taxi drivers, window cleaners, butchers, air traffic controllers, undertakers, farmers, etc. or is it just that she wants more women to be managers and bosses over men and women? It always seems like a very specific job role that feminists want running some kind of corporation.

[@Ragdollsandroses]

The mental gymnastics required to follow this dr… wow.