Why won't I do any maintenance on my electric vehicle?

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[@thedavidpakmanshow]

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[@altoclef6688]

I have a Hyundai Kona, in my part of the world the battery cooling fluid needs change at intervals (3 years or 60000 km). Also the emergency call battery needs replacement every 3 years. Also the air filter for the AC. The two latter applies also to ICE cars. It is a much cheaper car to maintain. Since I drive a lot and can charge cheap at home or work, the overall economy is slightly better with the EV, even when considering the extra purchase cost and interest on financing. Then, I also find it a better car. Would be worth it even if it was more expensive. But it depends on your individual situation. Just don't be afraid.

[@chiphill4856]

Fear is a huge motivator for anti-EV folks.

[@kbanghart]

​@@chiphill4856Your comment cannot be overstated, and that applies to just about everything in life with the MAGA type crowd.

[@wesscarey4475]

WHAT AN IDIOT! WHAT ABOUT BATTERY REPLACEMENT! THAT COST'S THOUSANDS!!!!!! 100% FOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@memrjohnno]

Servicing and such is sod all but the energy/fuel saving is nuts and if you can plug in at home then it's truly a no brainer. I'll use £'s but the numbers tell the story... Niece drives from the Wirral to Manchester and back for work, 5 times a week. It's about an 86 mile round trip so used a fair bit of gas/petrol over the week @ around £120-40 or, she said, ~£500 a month including the odd coffee. She put in a few quid but I got her a Renault Zoe for 4,000 (£) and a home charging point to charge on night time tariff. Her fuel/energy costs are now (3 months later) usually around the £135 mark, for the month. Month in and month out (so far)

[@kenbob1071]

I've owned my Tesla for 5 years and the only maintenance I've done is tire rotation, wiper replacement and a cabin air filter. I fully expect the brakes to last the life of the car b/c of the regen braking. No oil changes, no emissions inspections.... I love it!

[@dickeyseamus]

They're good for about 80k miles on a Model S. They're still brake pads and they wear out.

[@tompastian3447]

You spent a lot of money for a car that limits you to local driving. Florida now has a 200 dollar per year tax on EV's. We'll see how your purchase fares when it's time for a trade, and the resale value is squat.

[@JRP3]

@@tompastian3447 EV's are not limited to local driving, stop listening only to Fox news. The 200 dollar EV tax is to make up for lost revenue from fuel sales, filling up with electricity is still far cheaper than gas.

[@AbnormalWrench]

You want to flush the brake fluid at least every 4 years.

[@rahb1]

@@tompastian3447 "local driving". How far can you drive car without refilling? Let alone a pitstop? "the resale value is squat". Example: 2022 Tesla Model Y with 20,000 km in Canberra for $60K; that is hardly "squat".

[@blackwidow3922]

I own 2 v8s and a tesla i use for a daily. Even though there's no real maintenance needed for right now, it is nice not having to remember to fill it up and just have a full battery every day plus its faster than both my V8s 😅

[@chiphill4856]

This!!! 👍🏼👍🏼

[@kenlowe-ca]

The KZbin videos of people experiencing Tesla's quiet almost linear acceleration for the first time always bring a smile to my face. It is truly "you won't believe it until you experience it".

[@wesscarey4475]

GOOD LUCK WITH THE TESLA! LIBTARD!

[@jonmartin88]

I have a Volvo electric and the first service is 20,000 miles.

[@sambira]

For what?

[@jonmartin88]

@@sambira Mainly brakes, tires and any random issues like lights or electric. I don’t drive much so won’t know for another two years.

[@sambira]

@@jonmartin88 I'm on my second EV and have yet to have any brake stuff done. If you use regen and occasionally use the brakes to knock off rust, they should last a long time. One thing that others have had which I have not ever with an EV is the 12v battery dying. Now that the 12v in my current car is LI, it should last a really long time.

[@jonmartin88]

@@sambira Thanks, even better than I thought.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Really? After 30.000km i switch from summer to winter tires the first time.

[@williamcurtis1088]

That’s the beauty of EV, there is so much less maintenance and for the things you would do-brakes, you do them less frequently. No $2-500 oil changes; no transmission checks; no oxygen sensor replacements; the list goes on. I love my GLE-350 of which I do most of the scheduled maintenance myself. Compare that with my sister’s Model Y where all I’ve had to do was replace filters & washer fluids.

[@ricardocabeza6006]

If it cost you $2-500 to do an oil change yourself... That's a bigger concern.

[@williamcurtis1088]

@@ricardocabeza6006 That is what it would cost if you took a GLE-350 to a Mercedes dealer. Keep up.

[@ricardocabeza6006]

@@williamcurtis1088 Well... You go on to explain in your comment that you do most of the scheduled maintenance yourself, and you want to compare that to your sister's EV experience. So including the dealership cost in your comparison is disingenuous.

[@ToddBannor]

We leased a Kia EV6 in December. Tesla was out of the question. Going from an ICE car to the EV6 was like going through a time warp. It's been perfect so far, however, it is going in for a recall item. And when you lease, the $7500 tax credit goes to the dealer, who pass it on to you, so it lowers the price for the lease right off the bat. It's the only way you can get the credit on a Korean car. If a dealer doesn't pass it on to you, walk away.

[@jimhanlon2819]

Pakman, as a Southern Conservative that listens to you frequently & hardly ever agrees with you, my man; on this point I totally agree!👍

[@tompastian3447]

I'm a conservative too, and Packman is as wrong on this as everything else. EV"s are going to be proven to be a huge failure when all the Biden mandates kick in.

[@teardowndan5364]

For EVs to be sustainable, batteries need to be modularized and standardized. Got a weak cell? Pull the defective module, grab one off the shelf for ~$1000, put it in, done. Same for physical damage. When a new battery chemistry or design comes along, you can upgrade your EV one module at a time, albeit with usable capacity and power curve limited by the weakest module.

[@josephlandry8787]

For EVs to be green, they need to quit using batteries

[@johntomko2946]

Excellent point. I would go even farther and say that until energy density between batteries and gasoline are equal, the entire proposition is a loser.

[@TheySuckFatLongDonkeyLogs]

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[@johnscaramis2515]

@@josephlandry8787 For ICE to be green, they need to quit using fossil oil.

[@teardowndan5364]

@@johntomko2946 There is no need for batteries to get anywhere close to gasoline on energy density. 2/3 of fuel is lost as waste heat, batteries only need 1/3 the energy density to match the range per mass. Most people cannot drive more than 3h straight before needing a 15+min break. As long as batteries can charge fast enough to be done about as fast as people are, are reliable, plentiful enough with fairly even spacing along highways, ~400km (250mi) of real usable range should be good enough for most people. For normal everyday commute, people should use L2 charging at home/work as relying primarily on fast-charging for all EV driving is non-sustainable and prohibitively expensive compared to off-peak charging at home.

[@LORRY2000]

I drive my 8-year-old Tesla Model S with lifetime free charging and am still very satisfied with the car. 220,000 km, battery replaced under warranty, total maintenance costs $4,300.

[@katalac]

Good to hear, haven't heard a lot of similar stories but happy it worked out for you

[@TheySuckFatLongDonkeyLogs]

@@katalac I will never go back, all the wasted money, work, and toil on the many, many gas vehicles I have had over the decades, I have 2 EVs, 2013 and 2019 Leafs, I have NOT had to do any real maintenance. The 2013 has 300K miles on it, the windshield washer fluid tube got clogged once, blew out with an air hose, there was a recall on an A/C part which they did for free of course, had a standard check up at the 3-year mark, which was free, and it was fine, because the harder rubber on the low rolling resistance tires, for 300K miles only had to change the tires 3 times, with the regenerative breaking the actual breaks are mostly there to hold it still when you are stopped, so the breaks last forever, and someone that borrowed the car messed it up and had to deal with that which is not the fault of the EV design, other than that it just doesn't need it, they both run fine. They are so simple, so few moving parts, no fuel, oil, etc., they just don't really need any real maintenance. And to boot, no expensive gas, we got the 2013 because we were spending 800$ a month on gas with a big commute, electricity is comparatively so cheap, it is like spending a few pennies per gallon, and on top of that the dealership lets you charge on the type 3 for free, so there is almost no real fuel costs, we went from being in the red to in the black because of that, our monthly costs with payments on the NEW EV we saved 200$ a month, and when we finished paying it off, it was a dream ever since, I will never go back to a gas vehicle again!

[@sambira]

@@katalac Had a Tesla Model 3 for 5 1/2 years and total maintenance was $1200 which included a set of tires. 48k miles. Much better than my other gas vehicles.

[@hwirtwirt4500]

There are less maintenance items on an EV but still quite a few things that depending on road conditions and mileage driven, do wear out. Tires, shock, suspension parts, brakes, windshield wiper blades etc. Tesla vehicle parts are generally more expensive and less commonly available than other American made and foreign made EV's but that situation is improving. Repairs to electrical systems and drivetrain require special training and equipment and best left to qualified service centers. The voltages can be very hazardous and not safe for anyone not specially trained.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Wear out is not maintenance. That is repair. Maintenance is changing washer fluid. Changing brake fluid before it breaks. Changing perfectly functioning windscreen wipers for 100,-- per piece. Its just there to extract more money from your pockets.

[@kenlowe-ca]

"Which came first?" is always "the product" vs "the infrastructure and support". Cell phone towers were very localized until mobile devices became ubiquitous. The second evolves to meet demand once the product market demand reaches a sufficient size to make it economically viable. Change happens. To think otherwise is to ignore history.

[@theodorejay1046]

David is right in that ejectyric vehicles have very littke maintenance to do 🙄

[@numbskulldiecastracing]

Always good.

[@gordielechance2200]

David, please elaborate on why you have decided to get away from the Tesla brand?

[@MakeAMark1755]

Because elon bad so he chooses to go to a inferior brand like bmw.

[@andrethegiant2877]

A standard floor jack, pair of jack stands and a Dewalt impact gun would probably set you back about $300 to be able for anyone to rotate their own tires.

[@bobbykiefer4306]

You don't need an impact gun.

[@rockradstone]

If you'd like to save that $300, use the jack that comes with the car and your (probably compact) spare tire. Move the back tires to the front and vice-versa. Mounting the spare once on each side temporarily is easy. No cost!

[@hwirtwirt4500]

@@bobbykiefer4306 You should use a torque wrench to tighten the lugs to specifications, that's now a requirement at service departments.

[@andrethegiant2877]

@@bobbykiefer4306 Say you're old or female. It would help.

[@andrethegiant2877]

@@bobbykiefer4306 I'm aware that tire irons exist.

[@urazz7739]

So, I imagine it about evens out on maintenance costs overall depending on how long you keep an electric car vs a gasoline car. The only difference is that the gasoline car has maintenance needed more often, but electric cars have less need for maintenance but it's much more expensive.

[@JosephHowes2003]

Only if you need a battery replaced.

[@johnscaramis2515]

Considering how modern combustion engines are built, there's not much you can do yourself either. Changing oils and filters, OK, but as soon something breaks, your off to the garage to read out where the problem lies and get the parts exchanged, because depending on the parts you need special tools. And the rest not related to the drive train? Same for both BEV and ICE. And BEV? I've seen a video where someone takes apart the VW MEB battery. Individual modules that anyone could replace themselves basically. Not sure however what happens if Tesla (and other manufacturers) move to structurally integrated battery packs.

[@davidnika446]

Tools required for a tire rotation: Jack, and lug wrench. EDIT: Use the spare tire when swapping tire positions. Jack, wrench, and spare tire should be included with the car.

[@andrethegiant2877]

You could put the factory jack in the middle of the wheel base but i wouldn't recommend it, i'd at least buy some cheap jack stands.

[@hwirtwirt4500]

And Jack Stands.

[@MichaelPaine]

@@hwirtwirt4500 Yes. Buy the cheapest jack stands you possibly can. Maybe there are some on Temu.

[@TheJasonBorn]

... and something to support the vehicle upon while you have multiple tires off of it at the same time.

[@hwirtwirt4500]

@@MichaelPaine I recommend buying good quality jack stands, they last a lifetime and you can leave them in your will.

[@user-rp9om3pr6g]

Still have not addressed the issue. There are battery recycling/refurbishing for small batteries such as construction equipment but have yet to see any companies for larger car batteries.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Duesenberg, Redwood Materials, BMW, VW, BYD, Renault shall i continue?

[@fishbone2921]

This is excellent information. Electric seems like the intelligent choice for East or West coast drivers.

[@hbgriss]

Wow another sane person! 💪🏼👍🏻🤘🏼👏🏼

[@steveshea6148]

GM killed their first electric car in the 1990s, distributed as a special monitoref pilot program in California , partly because their dealer network relies on maintenance for a big part of their cash flow. This first EV almost never needed anything. Just tires and brake pads. No oil changes. No clutch. No coolant. No water pump. Etc. I'm sure the documentary "Who Killed The Electric Car" is downloadable somewhere . It's an interesting story

[@kenlowe-ca]

Regenerative braking means a magnitude less wear for brake pads. Car manufacturers make a ton of money on parts and maintenance for the components that contain thousands of explosions per minute.

[@curiosity2314]

Current Ev's do use coolant for the batteries. 😀

[@kenlowe-ca]

@@curiosity2314 not our Tesla long range dual motor model 3. 115,000km. Conversely it is recommended that the battery is warmed up before our nightly charging. It happens automatically on schedule, or when we have a destination that require a SuperCharger stop. Where have you seen coolant for EV batteries?

[@kenlowe-ca]

@@curiosity2314 I would obviously appreciate any reference that supports your assertion though.

[@steveshea6148]

This was the 90s...no regen...no battery temperature conditioning. Ideally you would like to maintain battery temps in a certain range during operation or charging though.

[@kingofank]

I think in terms of buying a brand new car you're right that there's just not much to go wrong. Internal combustion engines have a lot of moving parts, and manufacturing even one of them wrong could mean a costly recall or an unreliable vehicle. The long term issue with electric cars is going to be that the batteries degrade, and possibly over time the motors could degrade as well, and there's just not fixing that. You can replace the entire battery pack, but that's usually almost as expensive as buying a new car, so why would you bother? People who are good at/who enjoy fixing cars tend to get good deals on used cars because they find something that is too hard/expensive for a normal person to fix, buy the car from them and fix it themselves for 1/10th the cost. This isn't going to work with electric cars because no one has the special skills required to fix a battery pack or a burned out electric motor. They're just plain dead. Also all of the interior electronics, like the Tesla mega screen gauge thing. That won't live forever, and when that breaks in 10 years Tesla is going to tell you to piss off because they don't want you to repair it, they want you to buy a new one. This is the same for internal combustion cars though, they're going to LED headlights and screens for instrument clusters, and those just won't be replaceable at some point, which will really hurt the used car market. It will become easier to fix a car from 1960 than one from 2020.

[@infochannel392]

In the four years I owned a Model3 I didn't even have to change the brake pads due to regen. Out of curiosity David, what brand ev are you thinking of switching to?

[@ricardocabeza6006]

Wow, you accomplished the same thing everyone with a manual transmission accomplishes...

[@kenlowe-ca]

@@ricardocabeza6006 less than 3% of new car sales have manual transmissions.

[@kenlowe-ca]

@@ricardocabeza6006 and we get to enjoy that without having to pay over $3.60 (US average today) for a gallon of gas! EV per mile costs over 20k, 50k, or 100k are a fraction compared to combustion, even more when depreciation is included.

[@kenlowe-ca]

@@ricardocabeza6006 also less than 35% of new car sales have a manual transmission.

[@ricardocabeza6006]

@@kenlowe-ca I personally find the whole EV hype a bit ridiculous. If you want to drive an electric car, go for it. But to sit here and pretend like it accomplishes something new, or that EVs don't consume energy that you still have to pay for and energy that is often still generated from fossil fuels is just silly. Drive whatever you want, no need to gaslight everyone in the process.

[@theprogressiveatheist7024]

Of course car repair guys demonize electric vehicles. Have you ever been to a car repair shop that didn't have either Fox News, NASCAR or monster truck racing on their television in the waiting area?

[@DAK4Blizzard]

Even if they're not political, EVs go against their interest: they don't require maintenance. Car dealership owners are notoriously conservative, and like car service places, they're also against EVs because their low maintenance eats into their profit margins. Plus, electric car companies are better at skipping over the middle man and delivering cars directly to the customers.

[@EVIL-C]

​@@DAK4BlizzardLet them cry. Less maintenance to the end user is wonderful. I got sick of my gas car frequently needing repair. The day I can get a full size EV is one I look forward to.

[@ricardocabeza6006]

@@DAK4Blizzard EVs still have brakes, suspensions, steering components, intricate wiring and electrical modules, air conditioning. Beyond regular oil changes, the vehicles I have owned don't need engine servicing. Issues are typically the same things EVs also have, as I listed.

[@TheySuckFatLongDonkeyLogs]

I will never go back, all the wasted money, work, and toil on the many, many gas vehicles I have had over the decades, I have 2 EVs, 2013 and 2019 Leafs, I have NOT had to do any real maintenance. The 2013 has 300K miles on it, the windshield washer fluid tube got clogged once, blew out with an air hose, there was a recall on an A/C part which they did for free of course, had a standard check up at the 3-year mark, which was free, and it was fine, because the harder rubber on the low rolling resistance tires, for 300K miles only had to change the tires 3 times, with the regenerative breaking the actual breaks are mostly there to hold it still when you are stopped, so the breaks last forever, and someone that borrowed the car messed it up and had to deal with that which is not the fault of the EV design, other than that it just doesn't need it, they both run fine. They are so simple, so few moving parts, no fuel, oil, etc., they just don't really need any real maintenance. And to boot, no expensive gas, we got the 2013 because we were spending 800$ a month on gas with a big commute, electricity is comparatively so cheap, it is like spending a few pennies per gallon, and on top of that the dealership lets you charge on the type 3 for free, so there is almost no real fuel costs, we went from being in the red to in the black because of that, our monthly costs with payments on the NEW EV we saved 200$ a month, and when we finished paying it off, it was a dream ever since, I will never go back to a gas vehicle again!

[@JRP3]

Because of regenerative motor braking EVs rarely use the friction brakes and pads can last 100k miles. Wiring and electronics rarely need work.

[@techguy3236]

The biggest issue with electric cars is the cost of the battery. Their have been stories in the media where the cost of the battery exceeds the value of the vehicle forcing insurance companies to total them out due to the battery being damaged.

[@hwirtwirt4500]

It depends on how the battery is built and if it's designed to be serviceable. Many are but some are not.

[@WhiteWolf65]

My dad haad leased a 2020 Toyota Prius, and had battery issues as he did not use it enough to keep the engine battery charged. It had been boosted twice, and before they did it a third time, just before the warranty expired, word came down they were NEVER to be boosted! WTH? Well, battery had to be replaced, but luckily on their dime, and he got rid of it this year, getting 8 grand back. That is why I'll stick with a gasser, and if possible, a manual shift. Yea, maintenance of the clutch, but you can push-boost the buggers, and extend gas mileage by coasting out of gear. Put over 800 thou km on my '95 Ford Escort, but she had to go because of rust on the frame side of the drivers' door hinge. Engine still purred! Guy at the yard was looking forward to harvesting it for his Escort. (*sigh*)

[@kenbob1071]

@@WhiteWolf65 I have had my '04 Prius for 20+ years and the battery is still going strong. I've only had to replace the 12 volt battery. And I've jump-started my car a few times. Not a problem.

[@DAK4Blizzard]

Batteries are lasting longer and will likely drop in price against inflation.

[@josephlandry8787]

Batteries are not recyclable and poison our drinking water

[@XMetalMatter]

Don't forget the Brakes

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

you wanted to say: Do not forget to brake from time to time or they corrode without usage.

[@JesusGarcia-er5us]

I own the id4 and a lightning. Great vehicles. I hope people soon realize how good and convenient electric cars are.

[@jamesclark4746]

I just drove from Calif to Virginia in a Tesla. Easy to do.

[@adamJKpunk]

Where do they find these callers, lol. Like what rocks did crawl out from under.

[@derd3]

what, why?

[@saphricpcgaming5182]

People be weird on discord I dunno why.

[@nlpnt]

Nissan Leafs lose a lot more battery life/range than other EVs, because Nissan went with an aircooled battery system to save cost while almost all other modern EVs are liquid-cooled.

[@sfitz0076]

He might want to check those tires. If he's been driving a Tesla for a long time and they haven't been replaced, they're probably bald right now.

[@High-Tech-Geek]

what about changing the battery every 5-8 years? Isn't that a massive cost?

[@ien2023]

My issue ever since I have my Model Y is the price hike of Insurance. Tesla Insurance is a joke where they fav the AI and ding human as driver. I had to go back to my Geico this way Elon doesn't monitor how I drive and I'm a good driver but still get ding.

[@joshanton2259]

Logically, when you have two products ICE car and an electric car, the one with less moving parts will have fewer failures sooner and that would be the electric car. Electric cars are less complicated than gas cars that's why we have so many new electric car company upstarts.

[@ricardocabeza6006]

There are no moving parts in a lightbulb... yet they still fail. Remember, electricity means electrons are moving.

[@nilsschear1095]

This is the stuff we need to emphasize when it comes to EVs. They are cheaper to run, faster, less maintenance. The conservatives will never buy them if they think it’s still about the environment.

[@SavageJunky]

CAREFUL!: You forgot the most costly maintenance and barely no new user talk about it! You need to clean the break once a year. If you dont clean the brakes, you will need to replace them at approx 100 000km like i did. Those who clean them every year will never ever need to change the brakes. Some friends are at 200 000+ km and brakes are not even 50%.

[@realhi-fihelplarry8047]

Yes generally an electric car only costs about 1/3 of what a similar classed mechanic car costs in terms of maintenance. But the cheapest to maintain car is one of the least popular cars: Nissan Leaf. Right now the biggest problem is getting the lower end to high end models with a lot of features in them. The more features you get generally the more repairs you have to do. So personally I would not ever want to own a Tesla, simply because of everything having to go through the software; meaning that you are going to get a hell of a lot more repairs after 3-6 years time compared to a more basic Nissan Leaf car. The most basic EV with less screens/software/cameras/manual movement of seats, will without a doubt last 2-3x longer potentially. Many people are getting rid of their Teslas around the 6-10 year age, because they are too expensive to keep. But the Nissan Leaf will in most cases lasts around 8-12 years time, while some of them might get up to around 20 years old. (only time will tell) At the same time, changing an entire battery for an EV, has never been so crazy expensive. Maybe that is because of the war. Spare parts are also really expensive right now. My own LEAF is 6 year old now, and I haven´t had a single repair. 3 of my friends have the older Leaf model, and they have not had a repair in 8-12 years time. They only had to change the brakes once dure to normal wear, and then the wind shield wipers,

[@canicheenrage]

Isn't the tooling needed for a tire rotation usually with the spare wheel, so provided by default with the car, and always in it ? Might wanna look under the trunk's floor, David.

[@noswonky]

Teslas don't come with a spare wheel.

[@johnscaramis2515]

Many vehicles don't come with a spare tire anymore, doesn't matter if ICE or BEV. And if you want to rotate tires yourself, there's a multitude of options. Mine is quite easy: here in Bavaria I need winter tires...

[@canicheenrage]

​@@noswonky Hardly surprising for such a "flaw rich" brand, but does he have a Tesla though ? Many european models, even electric, do have one.

[@georgewoodland1766]

My 2019 Nissan Leaf now has 45,000 miles on it and have only put new tires on it and rotated them. Bought it off my Lease for $12k.

[@michelled8408]

I was looking at the Nissan leafs but all said they get about 50 miles per charge. Are those the old ones or is there a different type?

[@ricardocabeza6006]

Oh cool. So you're three years past due for a brake fluid change. Brake fluid is hygroscopic, and should be changed every two years. Good job!

[@michelled8408]

@@ricardocabeza6006 well I'm 9 years overdue 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@djt8518]

​@@ricardocabeza6006my truck is about 35 years over due i am 70 never changed break fluid or air in the tires added some from time to time do evs have heaters and ac??

[@ricardocabeza6006]

@@michelled8408 Yup. I'm fully aware people like you are driving next to me in a 2,000lbs machine traveling 70mph.

[@KenS1267]

Not sure how long David owned his EV but there is some light maintenance he failed to mention that should be done. There's a routine check that should be done by a service tech every 5 to 7k miles (battery coolant as well as checking the diagnostics of several parts of the system). The brake pads should be checked periodically and certainly replaced at least every 5 years and all the hydraulic fluids should be checked/topped up at that time as well. But it was good to hear that he was changing the cabin air filter. Almost no one does and the ones I've changed for people, sometimes after as much as a decade, have been absolutely foul. They can be accessed from the glove box and are meant to be changed every 15k miles or so.

[@kenbob1071]

The brake pads definitely don't need to be replaced at least every 5 years. I've owned my Tesla for 5 years and the brakes get inspected every year --they're fine. With regenerative braking, I hardly use the brakes. They should last the lifetime of the car.

[@ricardocabeza6006]

@@kenbob1071 Brake fluid does not last the lifetime of the vehicle. It's hygroscopic.

[@johnscaramis2515]

@@ricardocabeza6006 Depends on the conditions. There are also new brake fluids that are less hygroscopic. Easiest and cheapest option for the customer: get the brake fluid checked for the amount of water, there are testing machines. If the garage is honest, they will tell you this, if not, they will change the brake fluid no matter if it's still good or not.

[@ricardocabeza6006]

@@johnscaramis2515 No, there is no brake fluid that lasts the lifetime of the vehicle. Regardless of conditions.

[@johnscaramis2515]

@@ricardocabeza6006 I did not say it will last a vehicle's lifetime. But there's no need for a forced exchange after a fixed time and depending on the boundry conditions it may last quite a long time.

[@orgazmatron3080]

I dont have the equipment to do a tire rotation you mean a jack lol great guy to het car advice from

[@selw0nk]

Not a fan of Tesla and Elon Musk.

[@katalac]

He's a turn off

[@johnscaramis2515]

I agree, although one has to admit that without him, EVs would not be as far as they are today. Tesla still sells enormous amount of cars, but they have to problems: their garages have a huge scatter in delivered quality (at least here in Germany) and their CEO. And over time, when other car manufacturers catch up, these two problems will really become a problem for them. Besides Tesla's innovation keeps slowing down. E.g. their 4680 cells do not perform as good as they were planned

[@onomatopoeia162003]

Well originally it was Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning

[@bbybap4729]

I’m thinking about getting an electric vehicle for my next car if I can afford to. I don’t really travel far except to & from work, & the very little maintenance required sounds good. I wouldn’t want a Tesla though. Maybe one of the other cars from companies I know.

[@ricardocabeza6006]

The only difference in maintenance is oil changes. EVs still have tires, suspensions, steering systems, braking systems etc.

[@Me97202]

I’m not a fan of rechargeable battery tech. Within two or three years, the battery charge life becomes less and less. Replacement batteries are too expensive.

[@StevieWilliams-uo8mq]

Hunter was driving the boat 🚢

[@devalapar7878]

I am not sure whether an electric car or an ordinary car is easier to maintain. The electric car might be easier to maintain for the consumer, but what if you are a mechanic? Electric cars have less pieces but the pieces are so much harder to produce. An ordinary car has more pieces but everything is made of steel, aluminium and rubber, so if you have no available parts you can build the part yourself. Good luck with electronics, magnets, batteries, and a ton more microchips.

[@derd3]

My i3 has one official maintenance item: changing the brake fluid, which is mainly advised because regenerative braking means the driver doesn't even use brakes very often.

[@ricardocabeza6006]

No, it's because brake fluid is hygroscopic. The same is true for cars with internal combustion engines.

[@derd3]

@@ricardocabeza6006 Ok, so I should probably do it then 😅

[@ricardocabeza6006]

@@derd3 Only if you want to be able to slow down...

[@derd3]

@@ricardocabeza6006 you missed the part about regenerative braking, mate. I don't need brakes 98% of the time.

[@ricardocabeza6006]

@@derd3 That doesn't matter. A car sitting in a garage for years would also need it's brake fluid replaced. Brake fluid reservoirs breathe. Good job mate, you proved you don't understand how to maintain your vehicle. EVs still need maintenance. People like you just don't maintain them.

[@yesterdayschunda1760]

I have owned my v8 car 20 years and it has caused less cO2 pollution than a Tesla would in that same time period.

[@hbgriss]

You aren’t educated in the topic. Obviously getting your “proof” from a certain trade rag “news” agency or one orange absolute failure

[@steveshea6148]

Do you leave it parked behind the barn?

[@yesterdayschunda1760]

@@steveshea6148 it has done 250,000km, a tesla with the same amount of kilometers and 20 years old would be on its 3rd set of batteries and those alone cause more cO2 pollution than my car has produced doing 250,000km.

[@hbgriss]

@@yesterdayschunda1760 good try.

[@yesterdayschunda1760]

@@hbgriss Truth hurts lol people who think these electric supercars are anything but that are below 80IQ

[@Carlparishhonda]

I believe electric cars can't handle Chicago Illinois sub zero degrees temperatures in Chicago winter months.

[@GreyCrowe]

I cant imagine a world without Right to Repair.. Where every simple maintenance task must be done by a proprietary dealorship because of brand specific software/hardware. Leaving them to set whatever prices they want. Causing independent auto repair shops to close because purchasing brand specific diagnostic/repair tools for *EVERY* car brand is financially impossible. This will just exacerbate the auto industry's march towrds higher owenrrship costs and planned obsolescence. Ive owned 6 combustion vehicles and 2 evs, and even factoring fuel costs, the evs have been more expensive to maintain...And honestly, not as enjoyable to drive.

[@brothervance1932]

I did not down-vote your comments, but having purchased a new 2017 Ford Focus Electric and a new 2022 Tesla Model X Plaid, I wonder if you owned used/abused EVs.

[@DJWESG1]

When tesla introduce its own car maintenence bot for your own garage you see ppl wobble

[@hwirtwirt4500]

Not even close to that, don't get your hopes up.

[@tlister67]

I would not pay too much attention to some of the “car guys” videos, lots of click bait skewing anti-eV. There has been a sudden realization that combustion cars might not be available in a few years and it is blowing their mind. We are really only a bit over 10 years into commercial eVs and there have been successes and failures. But like all mass market consumer devices they will get better. Would like to see more effort put into smaller eVs but the US market appears unprofitable for that market no matter the propulsion method.

[@ricardocabeza6006]

There were no subsidies for the automobile when it was invented, because it was better than a horse. EVs have been propped up, because the general public does not view them as an improvement.

[@tlister67]

@@ricardocabeza6006 but plenty of money and blood spent in the Middle East which would not give a damn about if it were not for oil.

[@Simmonsumers35]

EVs definitely need more regulation and right to repair laws in place. You also need to own one for over 10 years to offset the various pollutions that come with making one. Right now it's way more eco friendly to just keep a gas car running for as long as possible than buying a new EV that will inevitably be a paper weight in less than 5 years of ownership if people can't repair them. Lots are just full of Teslas that are less than 5 years old that no one wants all around the country.

[@derd3]

ahem, bullshit

[@user-dc7st2lm5g]

Because you have little or no idea what your doing ?

[@curanderoverde]

Drive for a few years on Michigan roads and then tell me about maintenance... Tesla's are high cost maintenance vehicles

[@andrethegiant2877]

Teslas are cool, I'd never buy one because of that huckster propagandist Elon, Nosferatu looking, Musk.

[@jimbob3030]

I had to look up what you mean. "Michigan Ranks 40th in Road Pavement Quality Assessment" You poor thing. That doesn't even count salted roads.

[@bobbykiefer4306]

That's why there is a resale market for cars. New cars aren't cheap either.

[@jimbob3030]

@@curanderoverde I hope uber pays well enough to cover making your cars disposable.

[@kenbob1071]

I've had my Tesla for 5 years and like Pakman, other than tire rotations, a cabin air filter and wiper blades, I've had zero maintenance.

[@JessicaZane4realz]

I usually enjoy hearing you complain about things that don't matter to anyone else. But this is something I really enjoyed.

[@davidnika446]

I didn't hear a complaint. What are you even talking about?

[@michelled8408]

I'd like to know where people charge their electric cars.. My son rented one and every time he goes to charge it there is almost a bloodbath. Everyone is fighting and the same guy is itching to use his gun. We only have maybe 2 fast charging stations in our area in las Vegas and everyone acts like 5 year olds and there's usually a fight breaking out. Good luck people.

[@derd3]

I charge mine at home. I bought a charging unit that runs off a 220 like my oven. Charges in 2.5 hours. But, before I did that, I used the 110 adapter included with every car. It charges full over night.

[@michelled8408]

@@derd3 many have no home to charge it at. They are forced to go to charging stations.

[@adrianfernandez7458]

@@michelled8408you shouldn’t be buying a Tesla if you have no home.

[@michelled8408]

@@adrianfernandez7458 people have Teslas in apartments you crack boy. Are you on drugs right now? Please get yourself into a hospital. You are CRAZY!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@michelled8408]

@@adrianfernandez7458 boy I guess you should tell all those people at the charging stations that have houses why they bought one 🤣🤣🤣. You would be the first one unalived for the night🤣🤣🤣 you really put your foot in your mouth on that comment boy

[@thearchitect5796]

Holy shit... You did a show that WASN'T about Trump. Lol

[@curiosity2314]

Unfortunately they are throw away automobiles because of the AAA batteries they use that cannot be replace but at a great expense. As battery tech improves they will gain allot of traction in the market. Because of their weight the suspension should be more closely monitored. Currently it's a poor investment longevity wise. Yes I do maintain and keep my automobiles 20+ years. Nothing better to do with your money Ev's are great. It's not like that for the average person. Is what it is.

[@JunkerOnDrums]

Exactly - have driven EV for two and a half years. EVs are much cheaper to maintain and cheaper to drive.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Since 2019 5 company EVs with a total of about 300.000km. Only Skoda and Fiat needed mandatory maintenance.

[@chiphill4856]

EV Haters: EV's are expensive and a hassle. Actual EV Owners: Uh, no. They are inexpensive to operate and convenient. EV Haters: But, but, but, Fox News told me they are awful!

[@ricardocabeza6006]

Being inexpensive to operate does not mean they are not expensive. But that was a cute attempt to shift words around to make your narrative work. How many tanks of gas can you put in a new Honda Civic for the price of a new Tesla?

[@FriedChairs]

@@ricardocabeza6006 Sure, pick a class of vehicle Tesla doesn’t have. A Model 3 would more likely compete with an Accord (my wife replaced her Accord with a Model 3). You can get a new one for $31,500. Just looked up the MSRP on an Accord LX and it’s $29,000. You will pay more or less depending on dealer and your haggling ability. It won’t take long to make up that difference with gas savings.

[@chiphill4856]

@@ricardocabeza6006 When you consider gas, oil, mechanical repairs and maintenance for a gas car vs electricity and negligible maintenance and even the cost of a new battery way down the line, there's still no comparison. EV's are inexpensive to operate and convenient. They don't use a toxic source of energy. They are fun to drive and even the basic models have great acceleration.

[@ricardocabeza6006]

@@chiphill4856 Given that the majority of our energy grid comes from fossil fuels... How do EVs not use a toxic source of energy? With all my vehicles, the vast majority of the repairs have been suspension, steering, or air conditioning... Do you think EVs do not contain these components?

[@chiphill4856]

@@ricardocabeza6006 EV's don't have the same mount of brake wear as internal combustion vehiclesdueto regenerative braking.. Maintenance is still much lower with EV's, even considering suspension repairs. Once most vehicles are electric, the grid can be shifted to a less toxic forms of production.

[@retepeyahaled2961]

I am very concerned about the environment but I do not think that electric cars is the way to go. They cost 50 percent more than a non electric car, the power you use to charge hardly ever is green, when the battery has had it after ten years your car is a total loss, if the thing catches fire in you garage, you entire house will not stop burning within three days, the raw materials for the batteries cause an environmental disaster.... If you really want to do something for the environment, stop going on holidays by plane. Think about the insanity, where one half of the planet barely survives and the other half conciders that it is their human right to go on a holiday by plane, the further and more often the better...

[@creamofbotulismsoup9900]

One thing I find funny no one really mentions changing the dif/gear lube on EVs. I guess the the battery is more likely to total the vehicle before the oil degrades enough to be a major issue, but on a regular car that isn't in the rust belt it should be changed out at least every 30-60k miles.

[@JRP3]

Almost no one changes their diff oil, ever, so don't pretend it's a normal thing. Also unlike most vehicles Tesla has a filter in their gear reductions so the oil would last even longer.

[@AbnormalWrench]

Tesla doesn't recommend servicing the gear fluid.

[@steveshea6148]

They are all front wheel drive as far as I know, so no differential. I'm sure there must be a set of cv joints up front though

[@creamofbotulismsoup9900]

​@@steveshea6148Just google image search "EV drivetrain", you'll find numerous examples that demonstrate that neither of those points are correct.

[@creamofbotulismsoup9900]

@@JRP3 Yeah, most people don't properly maintain their vehicles. Just because it has a filter doesn't mean it doesn't need to be serviced, oil degrades. Whenever a manufacturer claims that it's a lifetime fluid, that just means it will last long enough to go past the warranty period and no longer be their problem.

[@teejay3272]

Glad to hear you're moving away from Tesla. Talk about a company that's deserving of a consumer boycott. There's viable options now and I'd like to think that the idea of giving that man money would slow the roll anyone with integrity.

[@katalac]

I think right now electric cars seem weird and hard to accept, but it will even it itself out. I dont know that it has to be one or other. We are supposed to have options in this country

[@michelled8408]

I really don't want one. I don't see myself owning a home ever again and being disabled I wouldn't be able to sit at a charging station at all. Hopefully they come up with EVs that don't need daily charging. I generally fill my tank up once a month and I'm not going to charge a vehicle especially in my state where there's fights at every charging station.

[@johnscaramis2515]

@@michelled8408 "Hopefully they come up with EVs that don't need daily charging" Depends on how far your going every day, which type of speeds and how big your battery is. Assuming the average 30 miles per day in the US, city traffic and a Tesla Model 3 standard range with 270 miles, you would only have to charge maybe once a week, maybe even only every 1.5-2 weeks, if you only go in city traffic, as the 270 miles range are based on a mixture of road types, speeds and so on.

[@michelled8408]

@@johnscaramis2515 I don't know many who only drive 30 miles a day. Most are at the charging stations every day like my son is. I think I'm the only person I know who drives less than 30 miles a week 🤣.. A lot of the Issue is where you live. Where I am a 3 mile drive can take an hour because of all the traffic. It's hideous

[@johnscaramis2515]

@@michelled8408 The 30 miles are daily US average. Problem is: the scatter can be huge, but in the end it's the only metric that I can use for a comparison. In the end everyone needs to break it down to his or her own requirements. What most people do not consider: if you only drive short routes, the motor often becomes not warm enough and requires much more service. And wastes much fuel. A running motor consumes fuel. A BEV not running consumes nothing. Except for the AC. 3 miles would be (depending on one's fitness) a fairly easy distance for riding a bke, but I know the US does not care much about bikes in traffic. Here in Germany my way to work is 6.5km, so about 4 miles. By bike it's contant 20 minutes. By car it's anything from usually 20-30 mins, worst time was 50-55 mins (walking wouldn't have taken much more time). May I ask what's your son's daily mileage is and what car he owns? Sounds like it's not fully fitting to his needs. Or is it maybe a plugin hybrid?

[@michelled8408]

@@johnscaramis2515 he's actually renting right now as he stayed in town to help me after I broke my foot. I know he does Uber and Lyft on weekends and drives to side jobs during the week. I agree a bike would be great but being disabled it wouldn't work for me unfortunately..

[@Kyntteri]

Not having maintenance done surely is a big brain move.

[@saphricpcgaming5182]

He's more subtle-bragging that he only leases new cars.

[@keeloe]

Ev go thru tires real quick

[@utbunny]

If you drive reasonably and get them rotated on time you can still get 40-50K+ miles out of a good set. If you goose it constantly, then yeah you're right.

[@michelled8408]

I was told that they have to be replaced every 5 thousand miles. Idk how true that is but EVs are hard on tires

[@johnscaramis2515]

@@michelled8408 Just like high-torque ICE are hard on tires, if you actually use the available torque I'm living in Germany, driving a Cupra Born (which is basically a VW ID.3) since Jan 2023, currently 33000 km (so rougly 20000 miles) in total, with roughly 23000km on summer tires and maybe 10000km on winter tires. Still got 6mm of profile left, so I would assume that I can reach 80-100k kilometers (so roughly 50-60k miles) or more. However I have to admit that I have no clue about the differences in tires, quality, thread depth and so on between Europe and the US.

[@yourworstfear]

there junk

[@Brandonhayhew]

people continue to complain just about anything ridiculous

[@katalac]

Everyone is a victim now. Who do think made it that way?

[@Brandonhayhew]

@@katalac blame someone. would they be able to fix the problem if the problem is out of control. in that case, just escalate the situation to a violent outcome

[@jayfizzle7931]

EV people be like " I don't have to do any maintenance I don't have to pay for gas EV"s are so cheap to own" Okay an EV is just a motor a battery and a giant I paid stuck to the Dash But each of those 3 parts are absolutely critical to the cars ability to perform And it's all well and good until one of those parts fail or gets damaged and you get that 20 30 40 or 50 thousand dollar repair bill usually more than the thing is even worth. Get into a minor accident it's totalled cause the battery might have gotten damaged and your insurance goes up even more. You eat through tires 3 times faster So there goes your so called savings. It's all well and good I guess as long as nothing ever goes wrong but when it does it's a doozy.. And with all the suped up tech the odds of something failing are very high

[@johnscaramis2515]

"Get into a minor accident it's totalled cause the battery might have gotten damaged" That's the current state and even that is changing. I remember when here in Germany garages were forced to cordon off EVs even when changing tires...

[@jayfizzle7931]

Yeah Cause even when they're brand new you never know if there's something wrong with the battery until it's too late and it's up in flames

[@johnscaramis2515]

@@jayfizzle7931 Cause even when they're brand new you never know if there's something wrong with the fuel line until it's too late and it's up in flames See, works in both ways. And up to now the risk of a burning EV is far less compared to an ICE. But considering your initial comment, you are not interested in facts, but stick to your opinion. And you surely will pull something out of your ass why my statement about less burning EVs must be wrong, because... it must be wrong.

[@johnscaramis2515]

@@jayfizzle7931 I hope you are not using a mobile phone, tablet, laptop, electric bike or ANY other device with LiIon batteries. Otherwise you are either lacking knowledge or you are a hypocrite with double standards. Because assuming you are using a mobile phone, it could, and I'm quoting you "if there's something wrong with the battery until it's too late and it's up in flames". And in contrast to an EV, the mobile phone is always close to you.

[@jayfizzle7931]

​@@johnscaramis2515Maybe it's you sir that is not interested in facts Because the (Fact) is that I was only talking about cost of maintenance and repairs and insurance And pointing out why they're not as inexpensive and low maintenance to own as the makers would like to lead you to believe..And yes ice cars catch fire too I've seen it happen but they can be extinguished with normal firefighting methods ask your local fire department if it's the same for EV's....And yes I use a laptop a phone and a tablet And I know what kind of batteries are in them That's exactly why I'm a bit skeptical about being strapped inside something as small as the interior of a vehicle with a big huge giant one directly underneath me 😊

[@reyalPRON]

ahhmm eehhm ummm... this sal is not prepared for this at all. had to stop this at 0:40 as i cant be asked to listen to a grown man fumbling for words like this. less weed before an interview?

[@colinfarrell7457]

Electric cars are so bad for the environment

[@jacqquelinetackaberry5450]

STAY OUTA MY FEED 🤑 MAGA for GAZA 🤑🤑🤑🤑

[@joshlepley1306]

Everyone knows that David has no idea how to do anything that is manly. Just look at him 😅😂

[@fantasyskeep]

David, your EVs HAVE needed maintenance. You just aren't maintaining them.

[@chiphill4856]

Like what?

[@ricardocabeza6006]

@@chiphill4856 You know... all the parts that makes a car a car, rather than a gasoline generator. Tires, brakes, suspension, steering, etc. EVs lack oil changes, that's it.

[@AntsDrone]

I absolutely love my Tesla, barely any maintenance and it drives itself. I don’t understand why you would get away from Tesla “as a brand” sounds like a ridiculous statement to me. You yourself admit they’ve been great vehicles. I myself will always have at least one Tesla. Best vehicles ever made.

[@user-sp8jf7iz4n]

my friend got an electric car and his battery died the month after the warranty expired. It cost so much to replace the battery that he just got a new electric car. It was a huge loss of money for him but he still believes in electric cars.

[@kenbob1071]

Funny how there's always the same comment about "my friend" getting an EV and the battery coincidently dying shortly after the warranty expires. Kinda makes me think the story is fake.

[@ricardocabeza6006]

@@kenbob1071 Actually, it makes perfect sense. If a company knows the life expectancy of a certain component, they would never warranty it for longer than the known life expectancy.

[@High-Tech-Geek]

My friend had a 2007 Honda Prius (hybrid) and they said she needed a new computer. It would cost nearly $4,000. She ended up just trading it in for a newer 2014 Prius for $10,000.

[@therealr0bert]

For the first 5 years an electric will be less of a maintenance burden. Years 5-10 you might end up needing some things that make it more cumbersome. After 10 years it's on borrowed time and is destined for the landfill. The arguments against electric cars are because the vehicle wont last long term. You can daily drive a 50 year old gas car and it'd actually be cheaper in many cases to maintain, there just wont ever be 50 year old electric cars on the road. They are disposable.

[@BonerinSweatpants-ex7ne]

Pakman stands with vegetables

[@MaJoRMJR]

Forget about electric cars, hydrogen engines are the future, they're coming on the market very soon (they're getting to the point where they're getting the same mpg as gasoline engines)

[@johnscaramis2515]

And where do you think all this hydrogen comes from? FCEVs are here for many years and they will stay niche. At least in cars.

[@barrysmith4863]

EVs failed a century ago ! EVs will fail this century as well ! It will just take a little longer as technology will prolong their demise ! Got a used EV ? Try to give it away ! LOL

[@johntomko2946]

The equipment is the issue? Yeah, that is the issue. 😂Ev's are just another example of the enshittification of all things tech. An efficient hybrid will always be a better a value and a better performer. God forbid it gets cold and tanks your battery. Or what about this crazy concept: Leaving your car in long term parking at the airport (and not plugged into an outlet) and being able to drive it when you return from your trip. Mind breaking concept for all you ev kool-aid drinkers.

[@tacocanada1888]

heres another crazy concept...taking a cab or getting a ride to the airport...sorry if this breaks your mind

[@ricardocabeza6006]

@@tacocanada1888 Imagine owning a perfectly good vehicle, and still needing supplementary transportation. LMAO

[@tacocanada1888]

@@ricardocabeza6006 you didn't understand the long term parking at an airport thing? you know..the comment i was replying to. i wouldn't pay to park to at an airport for 2 weeks.

[@ricardocabeza6006]

@@tacocanada1888 Who said anything about 2 weeks? I've parked in long term parking and it was cheaper than a cab both directions. There's a reason airports have massive parking lots.

[@tacocanada1888]

@@ricardocabeza6006 whatever dude

[@RobertWierenga-vb4ez]

Figured you'd have an electric car.your incredibly too faced

[@derd3]

yeah, it's a characteristic of ev drivers. don't trust us, just keep driving your carbon generator.

[@RobertWierenga-vb4ez]

@@derd3 wait till the batteries go bad they cost more than the car! .

[@derd3]

@@RobertWierenga-vb4ez just like any car, if the part is under warranty then you're good, right? If they're out of warranty, yeah, they're expensive. But so is a tranny.

[@derd3]

@@RobertWierenga-vb4ez Nah. I think my battery pack is $8k new. Car retailed for 49, though I bought it used.

[@RobertWierenga-vb4ez]

@@derd3 so 8 billion dollars for 7 charging units makes sense to you!