Why would Astrotrain need to jettison weight while in space?

The Decepticons have used him for transport countless times. After escaping following the Battle of Autobot City, Astrotrain requests they lighten his burden. Why?
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[@cruizerdave]

It was Unicron. He was using his gravity powers to pull Astrotrain off course. Unicron was manipulating events so that he could create some minions to go after the Matrix.

[@RodimusPrimal]

Oh yes! I like that theory!

[@shebakoby]

considering how close Unicron was to Cybertron, that is most certainly the case.

[@Kssav]

Very possible

[@joslyncarter4813]

Not that's very plausible.

[@apex2000]

@@RodimusPrimal explains his lurching.

[@Kssav]

To get rid of your favorite characters

[@crustypaladin]

So true

[@yanmatos8161]

Cause let's be honest we would have preferred keeping Thundercracker instead of Scourge

[@Kssav]

@@yanmatos8161 yeah scourge's beard triggers my PTSD for transformers energon

[@yanmatos8161]

The Gaming Rex lol

[@joelbaldwin4051]

Most of my favorite Transforers weren't introduced until the movie/ Season 3.

[@Traph]

There's a theory (That I personally believe.) that Astrotrain was in kahoots with Starscream, he just said that he needed to lose some weight so that Starscream had an opportunity to become the new leader, this is proven because Astrotrain is the one placing Starscream's crown on his head. This is even more plausible because the Triple Changers have a reputation for being traitorous.

[@suanfitrioneljack27]

I think that Astrotrain was just tired and injured. If we take into consideration that he fought in the battle, was injured and later had to transport all the deception troops back to Cybertron, well, you can understand why he needed less charge. Also, as you said before, the deceptions believed in the survival of the strongest, so he didn't thought that it would be a big deal to sacrifice the injured in his own benefit

[@toyoscio]

I don't recall Astrotrain fighting in the battle.

[@suanfitrioneljack27]

@@toyoscio well, we could assume that he did it. I don't think that Megatron would've let him stay standing doing nothing

[@Combaticon]

@@toyoscio Astrotrain can be seen for a split-second moment during the scene with all the Decepticons attacking Autobot City (about when Skywarp enters the picture), but before Blaster sends his mayday to Optimus.

[@toyoscio]

@@suanfitrioneljack27 Lol true

[@toyoscio]

@@Combaticon Thanks

[@michaelclickard6264]

Actually, the TF Wiki states this and I quote: "flight through zero-gravity space, should not have needed to "jettison some weight" in the literal sense. However, since the ejected Decepticons quickly fall behind Astrotrain instead of floating alongside him, he must still have been accelerating and thus would have needed to burn a greater amount of fuel in order to push a larger payload. Perhaps he should have said "jettison some mass", but then again, just being a spaceship doesn't make him a rocket scientist." Besides, it's not really an error.

[@RodimusPrimal]

In a sense he was already giving off some rocket burn so he did accelerate past them as they were tossed out. You're right that its not really an error if one were to say mass, so we can chalk it up to Astrotrain not being as smart as he makes himself out to be.

[@michaelclickard6264]

@@RodimusPrimal Yep.

[@bagsikdangal]

The scene would've been funnier if he actually said _Jettison some "deadweights"_ since this is him adding insult to injury upon treating the near dead Decepticons as expendible bots😂

[@michaelclickard6264]

@@bagsikdangal Well, it wasn't funny, but I can see where you're going with this.

[@joelbaldwin4051]

Impressive.

[@christopherperez5545]

I always thought astrotrain was working with starscream. Astrotrain is holding the crown

[@sean.a.s7234]

Well then he's lucky starscream didn't snich on him

[@apex2000]

More likely as trot rain drew short straw on duty at coronation.

[@toyoscio]

Starscream does not work with anyone, except himself.

[@llewelynshingler2173]

@@toyoscio He did team up with Astrotrain, and Blitzwing, before, but it didn't work very well.

[@toyoscio]

@@llewelynshingler2173 That is true

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

He doesn't. He's jettisoning mass. He's no scientist, just a space shuttle.

[@joelbaldwin4051]

Space shuttles don't tend to be too bright. Not one I've encountered has been.

[@benknapp4166]

Mass is how much space Astrotrain occupies. They are inside him. So it still makes no sense lol

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Yeah, WE know that, but he obviously doesn't. He wasn't the brightest Cyberspanner in the workshop was he?

[@ilyte1]

@@benknapp4166 are you have to stupid. You just defined volume. Mass is the amount of matter in an object.

[@leviosdraekion6993]

While weight really doesn't exist in the vaccuum of space mass does. And the more mass something has the more energy is needed to accelerate it. And let us not forget that they did just participate in a huge battle.

[@alanguages]

I agree 100%. People have to realise Astrotrain did not fly from Cybertron to Earth, when they used the Autobots ship initially. It is expected Astrotrain already used energy in the Autobot City battle, and to fly from Earth to Cybertron takes a lot of energy, which the Decepticons did not expect. It was more likely after finding out the Autobots headed to Earth in the beginning, that the Decepticons travelled not to far from Cybertron and lay in wait to ambush the Autobot shuttle, thus they were not detected. I doubt they were in Astrotrain, before they did the ambush, since they could have just abandoned their own shuttle and use the Autobots instead and the rest is history.

[@Toon_Lucario]

And since he mass shifts then he may have had to jettison them so the device wouldn’t malfunction

[@Mr.BMC2763]

But if there is NO gravity... What energy are you using? It's not like he was gonna drop out of the sky? No atmosphere in front of him to slow him down. He could've shut his engines off a drifted at his speed! He wasn't going to slow down!

[@wyrmofvt]

@@Mr.BMC2763 Cybertron is not a static target. It's moving on it's own orbit, and if you want to make it to Cybertron, you need to be going at the correct velocity so you arrive at a point at the same time Cybertron does. If you don't, when you get to that point, Cybertron will be long gone, and if you don't have the fuel reserves to make it to Cybertron at that point, you almost certainly don't have the fuel reserves to chase Cybertron down.

[@kaiserdashawn5219]

Starscream probably bribed him with energon cookies

[@RodimusPrimal]

ROFL!

[@Eclipse-le4xt]

Makes sense

[@newdye7535]

Come to the dark "Starscream" side. He will give you cookies. Starscream probably gave them to him 5 minutes before the coronation ceremony started.

[@WansleyYT]

You should watch nostalgia critics transformers GB review he makes fun of starscreams cookies

[@themarylandgoatman4475]

@@WansleyYT *STARSCREAMS COOKIES ARE MORE THAN MEETS THE ICING*

[@joslyncarter4813]

I think Astrotrain had to jettison some weight for the same reason the Apollo 13 astronauts jettisoned the lunar module. It was a practical reason. He did state that he wouldn't be able to make it back to Cybertron if he didn't.

[@Lily_Selverne]

Right. He was clearly struggling to fly straight. It had to be for practical reasons.

[@joelbaldwin4051]

But in space, things are weightless...yes, he was struggling to fly straight, but apart from a convenient plot device, what was the cause?

[@Lily_Selverne]

@@joelbaldwin4051 the scriptwriters not understanding physics.

[@joelbaldwin4051]

But of course.

[@DashCourageous]

He burns his own energon in flight, so if he's damaged, he doesn't burn it efficiently.

[@RemyJackson]

A shuttle carrying more mass requires more energy. Jettisoning some mass would have been a more accurate, but since the movie's target audience was children, saying weight would make more sense to them. The reasoning for needing to jettison mass could simply be because he was low on energon. The Decepticons had just mounted an all night battle against Autobot city.

[@JohnC-hj3dr]

Very true

[@duewhit310]

The writers were mindfuck artists. Thats why they did it. To give us kids headaches.

[@duewhit310]

The assholes.

[@Cyril29a]

Except you only need to reduce mass for acceleration. In space there is no resistance and so since he was already moving he didn't need to keep the engines going to get to cybertron. An object in motion tends to stay in motion.

[@fernandoflores3161]

@@Cyril29a maybe he was short on energy that would be used to maneuver to get to Cybertron.

[@raazaqandraazia6672]

The real question is how did he not yell at them for fighting and him and how he was able to support devastators weight is what I want to know

[@lewisaino]

Maybe he went if all of them fight I can make them fall.

[@masteralaric]

I thing Astrotrain was low on fuel. Thanks to that, it coincided perfectly with Starscream's plan to overthrow Megatron.

[@Eucep]

I propose that for each decepticon inside him, he had to mass shift bigger, however beyond a point, that mass shifting means a constant energy drain. Normally not an issue, but it is now after the fight they just were in which did last quite a while.

[@productproducer1624]

It was probably one of starscreams plans to take over megatron as he was injured alot. He saw the advantage.

[@BrotherApexx]

I never really thought about it until I became an adult. When I first saw the movie as a fifteen-year-old, it just made sense for the story being told. But him conspiring with Starscream is a great explanation.

[@bagsikdangal]

It would've been funny if Astrotrain said _Jettison some deadweights_ since this would be him calling the nearly dead Decepticons as expendible bots😂

[@justinneese4449]

I'm on the Mass Shifting team. Mass shifting must use some energy. The more you shift the more energy is needed. I'm thinking he just didn't have the energy to hold his level of mass shift all the way home. If he ran critically low he would likely have to revert to normal size, jettison everyone, and all would be stranded floating aimlessly through space. (I'm guessing he was struggling to maintain a heading due to the shifting weight of the team members he was carrying?)

[@kennylc2193]

“Starscream wait... I still function!!” “Wanna bet?” *releases megatron into space* Priceless!!! 2:50

[@robertfrazier6563]

It more likely during the battle at Autobot City Astrotrain used most of his energy fighting the Autobots. How much he have left is unknown but probably have at least or less than 50% also remember in some episodes he used up almost all his energy to carry the Decepticons to a planet

[@stephencastro4723]

He has both practical and conspiring reasons in throwing out some weight out in space.

[@earthquakesimon176]

I had astro trains figure when i was a kid in the 80s. Always loved his loud echoing voice!

[@kikero131]

Woo, an episode dedicated to the choo choo boy! I have always thought that he and Starscream had a deal to do that. Star had a great excuse to thow Megs to the space and be the leader. In return Star would have given Astro a high rank. (One supporting fact is that it's Astro who is placing the crown in the Stars' head. Not for example Soundwave who is highly appreciated by Megs and fairly popular character overall or one of the Seekers even he has worked with them almost all the time.) Too bad that Astro's dream crumbled into pieces like Starscream...

[@copperhead577]

Why did he need to lose some weight??... the plot demands it, that's why.

[@samjones7834]

Here's one thing I want to know: why don't the Decepticon jets just fly in space in jet mode? No seriously, if Starscream can fly through space in his F-15 mode, why can't Thundercracker, Skywarp, Ramjet, Thrust, Dirge and Blitzwing? Heck, later in the movie we see the coneheads fly in space to fight Unicron and Cyclonus fly in space to attack the Autobot shuttles. Huh, maybe if the jets weren't so lazy, Thundercracker and Skywarp may have actually survived the movie. On an unrelated note, I hope that the reissue of Astrotrain next year is in his cartoon dark grey and purple paint scheme. Not only did I mainly grow up with the G1 cartoon reruns in the UK in the 2000s, but he just looks awesome in it and it's a unique use of already used colours on transformers toys.

[@dinaryunus9131]

As for Thundercracker and Skywarp, they were injuried after the battle of Autobot City, so they probably didn't have enough energy to transform and fly by themselves

[@chasepreston212]

You do realize that half of the characters were either injured or out for themselves.

[@timwellchalfield316]

It's reasonable to speculate that the decepticon jets' spaceflight capabilities are limited to short-scale jaunts and skirmishes, but astrotrain's alt-mode (an actual spacecraft) is better suited for deep space voyages. As for Starscream himself, we know that all the seekers aren't exactly identical. Just as Skywarp's name hints at his ability to teleport, STARscream's name could be a reference to an extended spaceflight mod not possessed by others.

[@joelbaldwin4051]

Starscream and possessed. Out of context, I know, and not your intent but--reminds me of "Starscream's Ghost".

[@luvblueybingoheeler3150]

Why are you questioning g1? In the Movie, Hot Rod didn't need to hold his breath when underwater because they don't breath to live, but was gasping for air when Galvatron was chocking him. Yes he was chocking him. You can hear Rodimus gasping for air.

[@CHASEMARC]

i think Starscream and him had a deal, Astrotrain would become 2nd in command under Starscream. also you would think Megatron would have told Astrotrain NOT TO FIGHT in the battle of Autobot City as he was the Con's only way off of the planet.

[@RodimusPrimal]

Astrotrain participated in a lot of battles despite being the Decepticons transportation, but he was certainly crafty. I think he just wisely fought from a distance.

[@RoseSupreme]

5:10 Astrotrain dabbed before it was cool.

[@MarkDemeo]

It seems to me that he was clearly low on energy and injured,which is why he needed to drop some weight/mass to get back home.

[@andywalker5044]

I always just thought it was about power:weight

[@astrotanker3887]

Astrotrain is the Best Triple Changer

[@nil981]

Nah, Springer is the best! But I cant fault you for your choice.

[@Teknokill-jm2ub]

Yeah my absolute favorite and the first decepticon I ever bought. But I not only liked the way he could just take off into space, but the cool way his voice sounded!

[@mrwatermelontheexotic3448]

Astrotrain needs more spotlight

[@RodimusPrimal]

Yes he does!

[@thehumanvacuum3413]

@@RodimusPrimal all I want to see is my favorite purple train space shuttle boi get some love

[@BigBoyz33]

I love Astrotrain

[@unstoppableExodia]

I always thought mass shifting and leaving earths atmosphere used up a lot of Astrotrain's remaining energon and carrying all that weight he calculated that he'd lose rocket thrust before they reached cybertron meaning they'd end up drifting through space like megatron did after he was given the boot. Tbh I never thought about it very deeply that the vacuum of space might be less affected by the weight he was carrying as that's more of an issue when gravity is a factor. Hmmm now I'm hoping a rocket scientist can weigh in on the comments section and say for sure if it would require the same quantity of energy for a fully loaded shuttle to travel through space as a lightly loaded one.

[@RodimusPrimal]

I never thought of it either but like Who Became Cyclonus, FIRRIB, and Origin of the Constructicons, this got brought up a lot. I always let it go as a not so bright comment from Astrotrain but it would be interesting to see if there is a scientific explanation for it.

[@unstoppableExodia]

RodimusPrimal agreed and that's why I enjoy these well made videos about certain aspects of G1 Transformers that I never thought about very much. I'm sure Bob Budiansky and all the other marvel employees who codified the Transformers mythos would be honored that fans care enough about what they created that they're contemplating these kinds of things after 30+ years for something that was created primarily to sell toys.

[@RVMan985]

To be fair, Arcee actually shot him in the train wheel in the movie. So yes, he was injured as the wheel was also in his wing in his shuttle mode. But, Astrotrain was always scheming for power until Galvatron killed Starcream. He was just as bad as Starcream in that regard.

[@EpykkDyzastur]

I love Astrotrain; he’s my absolute favorite! He’s done more for the Decepticons than they’d ever admit.

[@RodimusPrimal]

Give Astrotrain! Give till it hurts!

[@Lily_Selverne]

Thinking about it some more, it does make some sense. The Decepticons weren't floating around inside Astrotrain, which means he must have artificial gravity. That means that the Decepticons inside him would not have been weightless.

[@WarriorVirtue]

And yet another case of Megatron forgiving treason for no logical reason.

[@joeyderrico8134]

If Megatron executed everyone who tried to overthrow him the only ones left world be Shockwave, Soundwave and the tapes

[@WarriorVirtue]

@@joeyderrico8134 Kind of proves my point, actually. If you send the message that treason will be forgiven, don't be surprised if you find a lot of traitors in your midst.

[@Williamcantrell99]

So, “weight” wouldn’t matter in space, yeah. But mass does, and the more mass anything has, the more energy it takes to transport it. If that that vehicle wants to go faster with that weight, that’s even more energy needed. The Decepticons were all low on Energon as it was at that point, and Astrotrain was the only one exerting increasing feats of effort during their travel back. Now, he does say that they need to jettison weight, but you could always say that Astrotrain simply misspoke or simplified what he needed done so the other Decepticons would understand. Now, there could have been other solutions. Each of the Decepticons could have donated part of their remaining energon to Astrotrain in order to complete the voyage, or Starscream, the Coneheads, Laserbeak, Buzzsaw, Ratbat, and Blitzwing could have flown under their own power from that point, leaving the injured Decepticons and those unfit for space travel onboard Astrotrain. We know that the Decepticon keys could fly through space, as Starscream was shown doing so in Revenge of Bruticus, and the movie itself showed that the flying cassettes could do the same. However, what happened in the end was Astrotrain had a logistical issue due to the reckless nature of their retreat, and Starscream immediately pounced on it as a way to abandon Megatron, knowing the other Decepticons would be too desperate to return to Cybertron to risk keeping Decepticons on board who very well may have died anyway.

[@shawnmctaggart8807]

I'd say he's under continual acceleration, just like ships in the Expanse. Maybe his Cybertronian propulsion tech is so good running thrusters is a smaller drain than just continuing onboard sensors and life support (whether or not they should need it, there's definitely air present, otherwise nothing to carry the sound of voices); thus he has to make it back to Cybertron in the time window achieved by continuous thrust. When he realizes he's not making the progress needed to get them there as functioning robots, he says he needs to jettison some weight. (That he means mass is well understood by almost everyone, I think) Boom.

[@TopGunner1994]

Funny. I was just watching this scene yesterday and was wondering why Astrotrain would need to jettison some weight.

[@TheReignOfJazz]

Man, I freaking LOVE this channel. Great content man!

[@RodimusPrimal]

Thanks!

[@PatTheKnight]

Great video RP it was nice to learn a lot about Astrotrain here.

[@texasbeast239]

Astrotrain just got lost on the way back to Cybertron, but he was too embarrassed to admit it to anyone, so he distracted everyone and stirred up a squabble to keep them from noticing. Starscream probably knew it, but he still wasn't about to pass up an excuse to evict Megs.

[@captainfantastic9158]

I never took A-train's bid(s) for power too seriously. In "The God Gambit," I read it was supposed to be - naturally - Megatron fooling the natives. But because Astro's toy had just been released, they substituted him for Megs in a bid for maximum exposure. (Because Starscream taking orders from ANYONE besides Megatron was a ludicrous notion THEN, and NOW.) As for the movie, they needed to make a fast getaway after the battle, and it was in Astrotrain or no one! He simply wasn't made to carry the CRUX of the Decepticon army. (Thus, I don't believe they arrived at the Autobots' shuttle within him. After all, THEY certainly weren't hurting for resources in 2005!) I'm speculating, but---minor battle damage, being low on fuel, overcrowding...perhaps all of that led to his request to "lighten their burden." As for Devastator forming inside of him... Ah, go chew on a microchip! 😉

[@rivitedrailfan]

Cool video! Astrotrain was always my favorite triple changer!

[@johngolles342]

Thank you for making this, I have always wondered this.

[@slicerneons3300]

Maybe Astrotrain worried the inevitable infighting would damage his insides.

[@stallion1972jo]

What got me was how Astrotrain and Cosmos grows to carry other much larger Autobots and Decepticons... It almost reminds me of Doctor Who's Tardis

[@LordZack1]

I think it was a matter of navigation. If Astrotrain ran out of fuel, he might have drifted through space aimlessly forever. Thus he needed to lower the mass onboard to enable him to make the course corrections necessary to ensure they actually arrived at Cybertron rather than missing it.

[@toddfraser3353]

Astrotrain was still using his engines to accelerate. And probably needed to change direction. The extra mass meant more energy to do so. Granted if his engines stopped he would fly at the same speed in a straight line barring running into debris or gravity wells. But with the rocking around inside. I don’t see a smooth flight to actually reach cybertron.

[@RodimusPrimal]

It was definitely a bumpy ride back. That battle afterward must have made getting back to Cybertron a challenge.

[@CheckpointK]

I always assumed that he needed to drop some mass in order for him to accelerate to a high enough speed to land before he ran out of energy. Bearing in mind that even when not using energy to thrust astrotrain has to use energy to maintain his own functions and flight controls, so if that passive drain exhausts him mid-flight then they will never be able to adjust course or land.

[@DeterminedVeteran]

No matter how old I get this stuff still puts a smile on my face thank you

[@RodimusPrimal]

Thank you so much and thank you for your service!

[@JTPrime08]

Astrotrain is a cool triple changer:).

[@Havoc14757]

Off topic but Siege toys that they should make in the future: Autobots: Wheeljack Arcee Hotrod Springer Roadbuster Kup Brawn Windblade Bumblebee (they might just do his cybervertron mode and cliffjumper's in the studio series) Decepticons: Swindle Onslaught Brawl Vortex Blastoff (And they would combine into Bruticus) Blitzwing Thundercracker Skyworp Slipstream Acid storm Nova storm Ramjet Thrust Astrotrain

[@mekman4]

I think it’s a little of everything. Great Stuff!

[@mekman4]

Thank you for the heart! Keep up the great work!

[@jjrivas3]

I cant wait for the reissue of Astrotrain!! Awesome video!

[@RodimusPrimal]

Thanks! I'm eager to see what they do with Astrotrain as well.

[@TheHylden]

Yes, I've always thought it was option 3, the fuel needed to also land on Cybertron (him not having enough energon, given the added weight/mass). Nice breakdown of the possibilities.

[@n1ghtmar3w0lf3]

thats what i think it was to,the position of power may have been a bonus

[@Shatterglass23]

DAMN GOOD point Rodimas Primal! Never thought of it!

[@NamehereInsert4]

Keep up the good work you are doing great

[@campbellclan6708]

Nice job on this transformers discussion video.I love Astrotrain and I wish he was in the bay films. Good job on this!!!

[@ElReinoSagrado]

I really like your videos, RodimusPrimal. I watched a lot of them because they are so interesting, and the way you explain is great. Keep it up! =)

[@RodimusPrimal]

Thanks!

[@EuReeka23]

So Megs could get over to Unicron to become Galvy... lol

[@srvfan454]

Maybe Decepticons just aren't the sharpest tools in the shed and thought getting rid of weight would help? Or maybe they just planned to throw the damaged Decepticons out all along.

[@jablet-primes1433]

I love your videos! They're so informative,cool, and education ! We get to in some ways see the science behind transformers ! Never stop please !

[@RodimusPrimal]

Thanks! I really appreciate that.

[@emilianoborselli9787]

I still have my old Astrotrain, although the time consumed a bit its plastic parts, it's still the coolest of them all!

[@lynngreen7978]

We see him *literally* place the crown on Starscream. Seems reasonable to assume it was figurative as well.

[@RodimusPrimal]

Yep. Ever the opportunist these Decepticons are.

[@RaymondTF4Ever]

You do realize that Astrotrain did have artificial gravity inside of his shuttle mode. The more Decepticons inside him, the more energy it would cost to maintain that gravity. And he can't just turn off the gravity inside of himself while at high velocity flight, or everyone inside of him would be thrown backwards and be crushed by the G-force of his momentum. So yeah... To me it makes perfect sense that he would want to get rid of extra weight inside of him...

[@johnbeekman6462]

Nice vid man really cool discussion

[@tfallspark5104]

Pretty sure it's the practical one. Though considering how he and Starscream got along he might also have conspired with him. I tend to see it that way.

[@aminaishaq173]

Keep them vids on the go great channel 👍👍👍👍

[@RodimusPrimal]

Thanks!

[@solidus0079]

(Sorry for old comment spam but I've been catching up on vids I missed) I never thought about the Starscream angle, I guess I never paid attention to who the crown-bearer was. Looking back on it now, the "power conspiracy" makes the most sense. After all, even back then I did think it was funny that with all the Decepticons fighting for it, the one who wasn't fighting (Starscream) won and the other guys had to blow the trumpets. Backroom handshakes seems the best reasoning.

[@xavierallen2508]

I love the triple changers.

[@transformersfan-zx8ow]

Jettison some weight or I'll never make it to Cybertron! Fellow decepticons! Astrotrain has requested that we lighten our burden. In that case I say it is survival of the fittest. Do I hear a second on that? Aye! And against? Nay! The ayes have it! - Get! Make room for others! - Don't! Oh, how it pains me to do this. Wait... I still function. Wanna bet? Starscream! Well, as Megatron has, how shall we say, departed, I nominate myself as the new leader. Wait, the constructicons formed Devastator, the most powerful robot. We should rule! Soundwave superior. Constructicons inferior. Who are you calling inferior?! Nobody would follow an uncharismatic bore like you! Hey, nobody calls Soundwave uncrassimatic! Yeah, let's kick tailgate! Constructicons unite! No way!

[@joelbaldwin4051]

Truly awesome! That's memorized, isn't it? While I was reading it, I heard the characters saying the lines. Transformers: The Movie is my favorite movie, and I have parts of it memorized myself. So many great scenes and moments in it! Do you have the entire film memorized?

[@DIESEL0759]

"Uncrassimatic". *sigh*. I just facepalm for Rumble...

[@fgstech4857]

What's even more incredible is that Astrotrain transformed with other transformers inside his train mode to space shuttle mode.

[@RoyJNg]

Once again, another great video on theories and information. Would you be looking at Sixshot, Decepticon Ninja in the future? He was hardly featured in our US G1 but in Japan, a main character in Headmaster. Otherwise I love your channel.

[@konstantinkoverchenko9587]

The latest version is super sick! >_

[@GreycatRademenes]

Astrotrain was always one of my favorite G1 transformers. Also he's one of the best Cons in TF Earth Wars. Though personally I do not like any iteration of him being given a bullet train/Cybertronian train mode. Most often it looks like one of the unofficial mid-transformation modes. I hope the 2020 will fix that. I love the fact you brought the Apollo 13 incident. Though if I could broaden this point, Astrotrain could also have too little energy to properly manouver in space. While there is no gravity or friction in space, there is momentum and to adjust his trajectory he needs to fight against his current momentum.

[@RodimusPrimal]

Thanks! I was worried bringing in Apollo 13 would tune some people out but it brings up a lot of possibilities in theorizing why Astrotrain needed to. I too hope they can come up with a better mold for Astrotrain.

[@iamtheomnimonkey]

After your history lesson about Apollo 13, combined with the likelyhood of him being low on Energon and/or damaged, I think he meant that he wouldn't be able to make reentry into Cybertron.

[@metalmadness5851]

I just love how Astrotrain asks them to jettison weight to make the trip easier, only for the rest of the Decepticons to star fighting inside. "Guys! This isn't helping!"

[@TheKingofbrooklin]

I love how the Transformers fans perfectly fill some plot holes the actual producers never cared and thought about with their logical theories.

[@jacobjacob6154]

Haha! I sware i was thinking about this very question last week!!!

[@swindle8359]

here's my theory: as we can see all of the decepticons have no problem in standing on astrotrain, even when they where fighting, so he probably had some gravity stabilizers or something, so it was probably pulling him down, also the battle where he probably got injured, and the thruster got probably damaged

[@Mr.BMC2763]

NO STOP!!!! that's a ....watermain... 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Your videos remind me of being a kid after school watching TF

[@themadmattster9647]

i love G1 Astrotrain. Hope they reissue him with the original series colors but same modes. The purple train is so awesome and looks like a classic locomotive. I bought Astrotrain from Ebay a year ago for like 20 dollars and he's still one of my most precious transformers

[@RodimusPrimal]

I may need to get some reprolabels for my Astrotrain as he is missing them. I hope they reissue him in gray personally but he's certainly a cool bot. I'm kind of kicking myself for not getting the Takara Legends Astrotrain to match the other Triple Changers. The Henkei one is rather small by comparison.

[@metalmadness5851]

I always assumed that he needed to continually expend energy remaining enlarged, and was gonna run out before they'd ake it, and so needed to shrink. Thus needing to jettison some "dead" weight.

[@LegendaryDarkKnight602]

Unicron may have his own gravity, though I don't remember seeing him when the Decepticons were flying by.

[@TokuBidiMan]

I thought space was weightless

[@thescottishlad1049]

Gravity. Without enough energy , Astrotrain might not be able to to produce enough thrust to escape the gravity of any planets or suns or other celestial bodies in the way of them and Cybertron.

[@Rodzilla97]

weird i was just thinking about this subject a few days ago, and then i see this video

[@thug-21]

Simply because he would waste to much energon carrying them all.

[@suprasport9118]

Nah! It was the more practical! He just didn't have enough Fuel to make it to Cybertron. As always Super Great Video! RodimusPrimal. 💯❤

[@lel0uchvibritannia981]

You got me on him being not the brightest of the bunch.

[@joeysteve8234]

Maybe he had some life support systems but with than many of them he was being drained of energy

[@catandogclone7880]

I always thought it was because having all those Decepticons in him was warping the metal and rumble and frenzy denting him

[@OptimusPrime2471]

More or less I think Astrotrain realizing he was injured and low on energon forced his servo to lighten the burden on a funny note imagine while the Decepticons were fighting over who should rule I think Astrotrain should have said "STOP SQUABBLING OR NO ONE WILL MAKE IT TO CYBERTRON"

[@crazycryptids]

The bigger question is that how Astrotrain can choo-choo on land without tracks.

[@DominusTecum316]

RodimusPrimal if you can utilize logic and create theory to what Astrotrain was attempting to do when he said this action needed to be done. Could you come up in the future with theories how after Galvetron was killed in the movies, how he could be brought back in the next movie as Megatron? Seems to me that Paramont studios and director Michael Bay just did not care about continuity errors. Only true fans hated and had problems with that error and many more that were committed in that series before the new and latest Bumblebee was release on Dec 2018 in theaters.

[@RodimusPrimal]

Believe it or not, it's on my list of videos to cover.

[@joelbaldwin4051]

Michael Bay (shudder) the modern director I have zero love and admiration for. Ugh. I'm a true fan and despise that which has the Transformers name on it but really isn't Transformers. There's a LOT of that sort of Go-Bot in disuise garbage out there, sadly.

[@nathanieldeclarador1466]

It was a set-up. Starscream coached Astrotrain to come up with an excuse to throw Megatron and his minions out.

[@WolfeSaber9933]

For science, like launching from Earth, you need little weight and a lot of power. Astrotrain had to much weight.

[@tfallspark5104]

Oh btw RodimusPrimal. Ever considered making a video about your favorite Transformers themes/songs? Like Arrival to Earth, Dare, Instruments of Destruction or the classic *YOU GOT THE TOUCH*