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@Halfzipp6 жыл бұрын
I may have called pre flop, honestly jacks can be scary, but that check/call on the flop was terrible. Like you've said, with the nuts, you have to get the money in. I probably would have tried to get it all in on the flop lol, when I KNOW Im good.
@awj941226 жыл бұрын
I might have squeezed preflop to cut down the number of players in the hand.
@ronbondie95022 жыл бұрын
soon as i learned that skill it started paying dividends taught me to be more aggressive as well which i needed. great vids Nate.
@Rasta7964 жыл бұрын
There is NIT players and then there is "I fold everything but royal flush if someone shoves" guys like this one
@IanWheldale6 жыл бұрын
Just OMG!! I guess the guy must look under the bed for monsters every night before going to sleep :)
@HardDie4 жыл бұрын
I am a nice person by Nature and go out of my way to try and not hurt my house Ant friends, but ROHAN needs to Go Play In Rush Hour Traffic Immediately !!!!
@dlf873 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@michaelg46642 жыл бұрын
But the call would have been for half his stack!!! $$$ 😂 $$$
@kevinspiessens49862 жыл бұрын
😀😀😀
@jamestoop47673 жыл бұрын
how do you fold in that spot at 1 cent 2 cent, if the other guy has it he has it, u pay him off. You never fold a flopped full house at those stakes. You're not in a tournament close to the bubble, you're not gonna go broke losing a couple dollars, im blown away at how somebody folds that.
@davidc45853 жыл бұрын
My jaw dropped when I saw that fold haha. That being said, it’s a learning process and I’m sure this player learnt a lot from this analysis. Nice video 🙂
@BlackRain79Poker3 жыл бұрын
Thanks David!
@frustin Жыл бұрын
I started to learn about 4 days back, my jaw also dropped.
@mazz205 Жыл бұрын
I think he just didnt realise that he has a full house and he thought an ace would beat him. 😅 This happened to me sometimes, when i started with poker.
@Jack1990Stevens4 жыл бұрын
My jaw was on the floor after the River fold 😅
@debashissarkar56383 жыл бұрын
I mean how bad he is in maths😂😂🤣🤣
@postlezone-god51736 жыл бұрын
i think he is balancing his checkfolding range on the river, he is mixing some folds with weak top pairs and some folds with fullhouses and quads, got to be balanced .
@HardDie4 жыл бұрын
I think YOU need to Go Play In Traffic with Rohan! Guys Seriously. I Don't Give any Fs If you Put Vill3 on Royal Quads! You DO NOT fold Boats( That You Hit on the FLOP ...crying sounds.. Unless You are in this spot at the Final Table of a 20k Buy In Tourney going against The Kid, The Phils, Doyle, and The Resurection of Stu Phkn Unger!!!!!!!! This Is An Unconsionably Horribly Played Hand and if I were Villian 3 and you Showed Me That Hand! I would Punch You In the Face , because of your Disrespect to Art and Science of Poker!! I dont care about getting banned from that Casino, because I dont want to be anywhere near you!!
@peterboels4 жыл бұрын
@@HardDie I think you need to do some work on understanding sarcasm, as @postlezone-GOD was obviously just kidding with that comment
@DwightHayles4 жыл бұрын
Might as well balance his preflop folding strategy and just fold preflop. Bahahaaahaaa
@shanejett35503 жыл бұрын
@@HardDie how much can i please pay you for your MASTERCLASS!!!
@HardDie3 жыл бұрын
@@shanejett3550 😄 On the Felt. You Will do and receive both😃
@je70554 жыл бұрын
Food for thought since I was messing around in Excel the other day coming up with RFI/opening ranges for each position in 6-max for a given PFR. Obviously the distribution will be different for every player, but a 6-max 16% PFR TAG will be opening 12% from UTG, give or take (12 UTG / 14 HJ / 24 CO / 45 BTN / 42 SB works out to 16 PFR overall according to my very rough math, given the expected frequency the action is folded to you in those positions against a population opening 20 PFR). Even if you're conservative and assume V is opening only 10/11% UTG, that's still A9+, 88+, QTs+!! Situations like this are EXACTLY where the money is made in the micros, when the nits hit trip Aces on a flop that gives you a boat! When are you ever calling a river shove, if not here?? For every one time he coolers you with AK or KK, you eat his stack like several times over. Even if you're extremely conservative with V's river shoving range and put him on KK+/AT+, not even QQ - that's 12 combos he has that beat you (1 AA, 3 KK, 6 AK, 2 AJ) and 16 trip Ace combos you beat (8 AQ, 8 AT), assuming my math is right - the absolute WORST case scenario for V's shoving range and JJ still has 57% equity! Great vid in any case, really does a great job helping to illustrate that yeah, you respect V's aggression at the micros, but not THIS much. The cheat sheet is really helpful too, finally signed up for it and subscribed to the channel. Glad you're still making content in 2020, Nathan, looking forward to more!
@tedgey42865 жыл бұрын
I thought he was slow playing too ensure he could get the call with the shove. But then villain did the work for him. And then I was proved wrong
@pokergeniusordonkey65176 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I can be fine with the just call pre-flop against this player type and two callers, giving us lots of implied odds when we hit a set, so the intention of not squeezing would be to donk bet the flop when we hit a set. With two aces on the board, the donk bet might get raised by any ace, and then we can re-rasie the flop and maybe get all of the money in on the flop.
@BlackRain79Poker6 жыл бұрын
Good points also thanks for your thoughts PGOD
@thomasmatthews806 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but this is one of the worst played hands iv seen in ages. Literally every decision is wrong including the fold on the river. Literally impossible to win at poker especially 2nl like this omg. Obviously wasn't ever an intention to slow play with that fold on river. Good commentary.
@SoFasT994 жыл бұрын
Let me slow play my FH by folding on the river lol
@14luey6 жыл бұрын
Hero is just waiting for quads why all the hate for
@xuanzhang59503 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY! Jacks full obviously just a draw on that board
@jerrygarcia43903 жыл бұрын
I have begun squeezing Pre-flop with good pocket pairs of late. I definitely think that it was increased my win rate and also removed the possibility of getting beaten by an inferior hand that could potentially flop two pair.
@albertoacebedo87206 жыл бұрын
OMG! Lady and gentleman, meet the tightest player ever.
@Alnmno14 жыл бұрын
hes a virgin
@bslay4r5 жыл бұрын
NL2 players never (I mean 99,9% of time) overbet bluff. So the question is do we beat his valuehands. Would he jam here AQ, AT-A2? NO! Would he overbet jam 88? Yes. Would he jam here QTs? Questionable. So his value range here is AA, AJ, AK, A8s, 88, KK and let's say 2 combos of QTs. Board: AsJcAd8sKh MP2 73.68% 73.68% 0.00% { KK+, 88, AKs, AJs, A8s, QhTh, QsTs, AKo, AJo } MP3 26.32% 26.32% 0.00% { JdJs } Even with all QTs combos we only have 33%. We need 41% so we fold unless we have a read that villain is an idiot and would jam here with trips but 16/16 is probably not an idiot even if he plays NL2. In his eyes we could easily have Ax and he still jams. Good fold. Btw preflop should squeeze.
@BlackRain79Poker5 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@jmccormack98015 жыл бұрын
BlackRain79Poker this guys just said all the facts. What do you agree with. You and this whole thread just shit on the fold lol
@MJEdwards4095 жыл бұрын
I mean, you can’t be all loosey goosey eating a sandwich.
@BlackRain79Poker5 жыл бұрын
I agree. I sometimes eat sandwiches but I never get all loosey goosey!
@vaitianleandermarianayagam22994 жыл бұрын
@@BlackRain79Poker underrated comment lmao
@raimundasm47114 жыл бұрын
squeeze pre. check raise flop. shove turn.
@Dplaysitcool5 жыл бұрын
Look like Villain had AK, but he should have got it in way before the river. I hope I find this Super Nit online.
@marcfreislinger5896 Жыл бұрын
I really like your videos like this. I don't see them in your newer stuff. Would be great to see these mixed in a bit more. In general, thanks for all your content!
@BlackRain79Poker Жыл бұрын
More to come!
@fundiver1986 жыл бұрын
As played I dont hate the decision to fold on the river. I think, that when a tight regular at 2NL suddenly change gear and goes from betting less than half pot to a massive overbet, its because, his hand improved. He is not bluffing, and he is also not doing this with a hand like AQ, which on the river is still just 3 of a kind, as it was on the flop and turn. QT made a straight, sure, but I dont think, he always open that UTG, and I am also not sure, he is C-betting a gutshot into 3 opponents and then continuing for half pot on the turn. With this sizing throughout the hand, I think, he is literally screaming from the mountain top, that he has either AK or KK. However we should never see the river like this, because as Nathan say, we should either be all in before the river or at least have so little left behind, that the river is a completely automatic stackoff. So its one of those, where maybe Hero actually saved some money on this exact runout, but his passive line is far from optimal in the long run.
@BlackRain79Poker6 жыл бұрын
Thinking through this hand again, I agree. I do think the nit is gonna show up with a nut hand on the river here a fair amount. I would just get the money in earlier so I would never be in this spot in the first place.
@manolo89725 жыл бұрын
I totally agree. The fold on the river is fine in my opinion.
@vambo132574 жыл бұрын
he screwed the pooch early, check raise and force the player out!
@jaecubed5926 жыл бұрын
What I would like to know is what is the reraise amount preflop and how do you calculate this amount? Same question for the flop if you check only to reraise what is the amount and how are you calculating that as well. I know what I would do but I really need help on my bet sizing and getting value. Thanks.
@fundiver1986 жыл бұрын
Preflop I would go to somewhere between 0,35 and 0,40 to really put pressure on the two guys, who called. I am totally ok, if I just pick it up uncontested, rather than having to play JJ out of position. If UTG jam or 4-bet in some way, its probably a fold. On the flop I would go to 0,30 exactly. Its a nice size, that give him a good price to come along with AX, and it sets it up for getting stacks inside on the turn and river without having to bet excessively large.
@jaecubed5926 жыл бұрын
@@fundiver198 how are you coming to this amount? What I usually do is I would 3times the BB and then add 1 BB for each caller and depending on the other players I will round up a bit... So here it would be .30 but I would probably bump it up to .35. Is this the right way of thinking or should I be calculating it based off of what is in the pot at the time of my reraise? I'm just looking for a system I can stick to and make sure that system is one of the correct plays. Thanks for your thoughts on this.
@fundiver1986 жыл бұрын
I typically press the “pot” button for preflop 3-bets and then adjust from there. I tend to go a bit over pot out of position but under pot in position. Adding what someone called is a good system for live poker, because its easy to do the calculations in your head. But its not theoretically sound, since you are giving a single caller better pot odds with the dead money in the pot.
@jaecubed5926 жыл бұрын
@@fundiver198 thanks for explaining. That seems simple enough.
@johnhare66523 жыл бұрын
Squeeze for sure. Maybe a stop and go on the flop but more often lead out, especially as the C bet is so common especially with newer players that in itself disguises the hand holding. Turn bet size to price the drawing hands in, with the house we want straight and possible flush draws calling as we have therm crushed. If villain raises the river then lead out again 1/2 to 3/4 pot.
@evadecaptcha3 жыл бұрын
I know I might be behind in this scenario, but there are just too many hands I have beat that villain might be shoving with here. Especially at these stakes. If we're deep stacked, in mid stakes, against a nit, then I might consider a fold here (if a nit was aggressive preflop like he had KK or AK); Maybe in that scenario, it'd be appropriate? Probably still wouldn't be able to fold though.
@chrisweber4450 Жыл бұрын
Where can you play these micro stakes games?
@Compact473 жыл бұрын
I think 99% of us would have called that final bet 🤦🏽♂️
@JamesBond-lb3yr2 жыл бұрын
Because you should call on that spot.
@marcolapegna35045 жыл бұрын
Honestly on the turn I was thinking the guy had KK and he gets sucked out on. I would actually consider folding on the river, the dude is a rugular with 15/15, he has something really good, AQ he might go for another value bet not all in, with AT he is checking. He could very well have AK or KK. QQ he checks river also. Of course the trick would be to define villan's range more by 3 betting and putting real pressure on the Turn.
@robertzamb5 жыл бұрын
And don't forget quads, it happened to me. I had 999QQ and villain QQQQ, pokerstars is a bitch sometimes 😂
@trillian19646 жыл бұрын
Doug Polk does not approve this fold.^^
@BlackRain79Poker6 жыл бұрын
Haha :)
@trillian19646 жыл бұрын
@@BlackRain79Poker And James Splitsuit says "It is, what it is." ;)
@ricardoalfonso80975 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@Dylan-io5um6 жыл бұрын
Squeezing 80% of the time PRE unless the villian is nittier than a sweater. I'm VBing flop, turn and river here 100% of the time when I flop that strong. Even more so if you have a loose table image.
@S.Dreamer4 жыл бұрын
Allow me to have a different approach. In the nl2, the tag players are either grinding regs, playing value betting ABC poker, or fish that they believe they are clever sharks that know to make a fool of any other.. In the 1st case, he would barel and fold TT, QQ, KK and would have highly bet Ax by the turn, checking the river. In the 2nd case, he probably holds AA, AK, AJ, AQ, KK, meaning, we would win only 2/5. Combining the two cases, i totally agree with the check/raise in flop OR turn but after those too flat calls, i would definetelly fold the river. Its a typical situation where, when we win we win small and when we loose we loose big. If we discussed about nl10 & higher or for a micro mtt, i would totally agree with everything you said, but i dont for nl2
@odysseasv71384 жыл бұрын
The Villain in the flop DOES NOT HAVE Quad Aces but according to the aggressive 3-bet pre-flot, he has Ax(high x) or even ..kings(kinda unlikely though). Therefore, in the flop Hero is NUTS imo. He should play it aggressively to get some value. Then turns comes an 8. He is still nuts so now he can overbet.. If villain folds, great we got enough value I guess. If villain would call Hero's high bet/raise in the river then is still the right play for Hero. Then River and Kings open now Hero is folding because is kinda obvious in the ALL in of Villain that he has probably A-K at hand.. Regardless if my read is right or wrong, Hero played is so terribly and let this happen.
@RatafakTehPlachta3 жыл бұрын
isnt any ace on the flop still good to call though?
@timothyalarcon91844 жыл бұрын
What do you do if the the hand goes like this: flop villain calls the check raise. Turn - Bet call. River - Bet and villain shoves. What percentage of the time are you folding with this player in this spot?
@theoneandonly67414 жыл бұрын
Timothy Alarcon 0%. Bad beats happen, although you try to avoid them they are rare. The percentage of him getting beat by that play are very low, and taking that hand to showdown is going to profit 90% of the time.
@timothyalarcon91844 жыл бұрын
@@theoneandonly6741 sooo 10% then? Lol i think that number makes sense. I understand bad beats happen but when a scenario like that happens where youre showing so much strength on a volatile board and villain doesnt care he has to have a monster there. 10% makes sense tho
@theoneandonly67414 жыл бұрын
Timothy Alarcon idk I didn’t calculate anything, just to emphasize that they would need to be a super tight player with several things pointing to him having the absolute nuts for me to fold here. If I’m not completely sure he has it, I’m playing it out every time, too good of a hand to fold.
@timothyalarcon91844 жыл бұрын
Well you said 90% profitable so theoretically youd fold 10% of the time? Of coarse all depends on the pot size and what you have behind so i might not be right but just pointing out that although this play in this video was not correct, there are plenty of situations where you should at least debate folding a monster even if its 10% of the time.
@theoneandonly67414 жыл бұрын
Timothy Alarcon yeah technically still possible, but would need lots of hands worth of stats on the player pointing to him being a total nit that’s able to play just like this with a big hand. If I’m not 90% sure he has it I’m taking to showdown. Get coolered, chalk it up to the odds and reload
@TheDougWay Жыл бұрын
Ouch this is like the extreme passive which is the worst way to play this hand. Consider the opposite of being the extreme aggressive and even just going all in on the flop or something. Most would argue it's a misplay, but it still does way better than what this player did. So I'd try to do something a lot closer to that than calling all the way and folding. Honestly I thought calling on all the other streets was just to set up what looked like a big bluff on the river and had no idea folding was even in the cards here. Opponent probably doesn't have AA or AJ or else I wouldn't have expected them to slowplay it that much. So there are so few hands he could likely have that could beat us I would at least call at the end.
@fozy23492 жыл бұрын
I was in this exact spot last night except the 2nd ace came on the turn. I was up against AJ. Total cooler.
@odysseasv71384 жыл бұрын
The Villain in the flop DOES NOT HAVE Quad Aces but according to the aggressive 3-bet pre-flot, he has Ax(high x) or even ..kings(kinda unlikely though). Therefore, in the flop Hero is NUTS imo. He should play it aggressively to get some value. Then turns comes an 8. He is still nuts so now he can overbet.. If villain folds, great we got enough value I guess. If villain would call Hero's high bet/raise in the river then is still the right play for Hero. Then River and Kings open now Hero is folding because is kinda obvious in the ALL in of Villain that he has probably A-K at hand.. Regardless if my read is right or wrong, Hero played is so terribly and let this happen.
@TripleDee3 жыл бұрын
i've been beaten on a full house by 4 of a kind a few times, but i don't regret playing it, folding a full house holding a pair is madness
@michaostrowski54086 жыл бұрын
Squeez is just natural pre in this hand especially when we have 2 limpers. About post F action: from my point of view I can imagine just C from time to time on such friendly flop but I must have some more info about how often villian 2nd barrels turn IP - if it's high precentage it might be not bad just to call it on 1st street and then X/R the turn - we can hide some strenght of our hand and let villian improve - maybe let him catch his str8 or just 2nd pair (considering his opening range from UTG there are many broadways). Plus: does he have 77+ in his opening range from UTG? If it's truely reg then I guess he does so from time to time he'll catch his lower boat. From my expirance it looks a little bit more fishy to 3b T rather than paired F, but most important there will be still enough space to stack him if we take good line with our 3b on turn and continue on the river. But again - we need to know that our opponent is capable of thinking (belive me there are some exeptions even at NL2-5-10 thanks to Your content for eg.). Vs typical micro opponent it will be 3b F most often. According to Your first question Nathan - Red Line Ninja by Robmaf (I strongly recommend even for micros) - SQUEEEEEEEZ ;)
@fundiver1986 жыл бұрын
If we are going to mix in a trap here, its better to use AJ, because that hand significantly block Villains value range. I also prefer doing it, if he bet a larger size. When he only bet 1/3 pot, we need to expect, that he will often bet something very small again on the turn or even check back. I feel, that by just check-calling here, we are not inducing bluffs, because there are very few bluffs in his range, when he bet into 3 other players on the flop. We let him get away for cheap, if he has a weak ace and check back the turn. And finally we give his QQ and KK two free cards to draw out on us.
@BlackRain79Poker6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your thoughts Michal, I love a SQUEEZE here too hehe :)
@nickmartyn69984 жыл бұрын
Hi Nathan great video. Have you done any MTT or SIT AND GO strategy videos??
@BlackRain79Poker4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Nick, nope mostly cash games but I will try to mix in some tourney stuff in the future.
@ohgoosey62334 жыл бұрын
One more big reason to call in this spot is the fact that the hero has under rapped his hand so much. So now you're leaning towards calling even more. Because now the villain thinks, when you check 3 streets without 3-betting pre-flop, his Ax is good. Like literally, all the time. Because you would 3-bet JJ, even more with 2 callers behind. It's like, if you fold a full house in this spot, with which hands are you even calling here? It's not a profit fold in the long run, you might lose vs AK some of the time because you block AJ. But the changes are slim, even more when you slow play the stone cold nuts
@jacobgoldman57806 ай бұрын
This river fold is next level nit. Sure he is jamming 2x pot but plenty of players will jam with AQ, QTs for value here against your passive check/call line. If he wakes up with A8 suited, AJ, AK, or KK congrats to them.
@Aleksey-funxta2 жыл бұрын
ты ставишь сквиз а он коллит в позиции и итог тот же, либо он оллинит тебя в позиции, и доезжает. Здесь доска попадёт или нет. Он никогда не выкинет AKo или AKs
@russelljohn52582 жыл бұрын
Bet out pre flop you've got a pair of Jacks, after flop either check then re raise, the raiser or if other players check, then make your raise on the turn, if you still have customers then raise on the river. You can't let a player get free draws and free chances to beat you. You flopped a full house, next task, extract the value of that hand from the other player or players. And to fold at the river? If you were slow playing you got someone to raise so you re-raise here, not fold.
@cameron92286 жыл бұрын
If he said "good place for a tight fold" he's just sending this hand in as a joke
@angeloperez10204 жыл бұрын
There is just no way that at nlh2 folding a fullhouse is ever a good move, at those stakes he plays every single suited ace and maybe ATo+, QT, all the same
@HomeStudioBasics Жыл бұрын
I know this hand was butchered pretty bad, but as played it looks like AK or KK. That 1/3 flop bet just looks like scared Kings and then when he follows it up with another weak bet on the turn but overbet jams the river it's pretty obvious. That said, I probably don't fold but I expect to lose a decent amount here as played. This is a spot where you lose a lot, but it's entirely your fault when you lose.
@N2OBusa4 жыл бұрын
Wow! How do you flop a boat and not get it in?
@Kobeee24BRyant6 жыл бұрын
Player made a mistake by not raising pre flop and not check raising on the flop. If you end up on the river like that and the guy all of a sudden jams the pot, a tight nit will have something like AK or KK way too often. Don' think you will see Q 10 often in this spot
@BlackRain79Poker6 жыл бұрын
I do agree that the nit will show up with the nuts on the river a fair amount and it's a bit gross. Money definitely should have gone in much earlier in the hand though.
@jmccormack98015 жыл бұрын
I would 1000% call in this situation because I have a hard time laying down big hands. But I don’t think the fold is as bad as everyone is making it to seem. Guy in video mentioned that the villain was vpip’ing 16% at 6 max I doubt hero thought he has A9 or A8 erc. And it’s a 2x pot shove so he has to be good a large percentage of the time. So I’m sure his mindset is what does he beat on this runout? AQ exactly or maybe A10 if villain is 3xing that utg at 16%? Who knows. But not as bad of a fold as all these warriors are making it out as
@lupocalabrotv3 жыл бұрын
I think the main point of the video is actually how to prevent even getting into those kinds of spots by start building a pot preflop. That being said, I still think that the fold on the river is horrendous for many reasons. We are assuming UTG is a regular. So, what is our perceived range here? We have Two-Pairs, Jx, maybe some Kx, busted draws. Pocket jacks should be way ahead of our range, the latest after the call on the flop. And yes, sometimes you are going broke here because villain flops quad-aces or rivers that higher fullhouse. This is the power of variance and there's nothing we can do about it! We need to understand that 16% is not just Aces and AJ+. UTG could easily be shoving Ax or 88 *for value* given how poorly we played our hand so far! I'm not advising against making great folds when it's needed, but here we are setting money on fire. I mean what are the odds of flopping a boat on AAJ against a tight UTG opener? Isn't this the reason why we even play poker, to take max juice out of those highly favourable spots where we are supposed to be printing a lot?
@elpelicano24045 жыл бұрын
Read alot of stuff and got confused as a beginner. Now I bought your book and will follow your strategy. Hope it is still working in 2020. :)
@BlackRain79Poker4 жыл бұрын
Hope my book helps you Lasse :)
@Beanmachine914 жыл бұрын
i squeeze knowing full well my opponents will call instead of laying down their hand after betting so much after the re-raise
@adriaanknulst12816 жыл бұрын
What if you squeeze jj and utg shoves or 4bet big? A call against a tightplayer with jj is probably not +ev? But folding sucks as well. Btw, can everybody send you a hand to review, or is it only for students?
@fundiver1986 жыл бұрын
I dont have any problem with 3-betting JJ and folding to a 4-bet. If he is mostly 4-betting KK-AA, as many nits do, it wont happen that often. And you get rid of a reverse implied odds situation post on low boards.
@crimsonfanzine93412 жыл бұрын
Although I agree with every comment in the video, it is Really likely that UTG had AK in this spot. I dont think such a tight player would ever try to bluff shove on the river when the K hit.
@joeregan635 жыл бұрын
If I was UTG I’d definitely go for the throat here with AQ. This situation is avoided by playing preflop correctly.
@MrJonny23244 жыл бұрын
If he was playing for his house, I'd understand being cautious. It's $2! 😂
@an.unarmed.civilian5 жыл бұрын
AA, AK, AJ, A8, KK could all be there considering the preflop was not 3bet. ugly but yeah fold seems crazy.
@erdaddy58455 жыл бұрын
So would this be a fold if both players were 300BB deep? Because in your other video where hero has 66 and flops a full house with 6JJ, everyone praises him for folding on the river when the K comes, thinking he must have KK or KJ. Its really not much different of a hand other than stack sizes. I agree every step of the hand is played wrong, but why is everyone ragging on this guy for folding, but in the other video they're praising the goood fold?
@ayyo15795 жыл бұрын
The stack sizes make all the difference. 100 BB is just one full stack. At that depth we can't ever be folding full houses on a single paired board because three of a kind and straights are still value hands that can shove on us. If we happen to run into a higher boat, its just a cooler we accept it and move on. 300 BB is 3 stacks. At that depth, we can't just rebuy to get back to that level and it represents an extensive amount of work we have done in our session to get to this point. We need to be judicious with the types of hands we stack off with because a mistake will destroy our win rate from there. Opponents aren't going to be value shoving non-nutted hands against us very often. We can only put all of the money in when we have close to the nuts or on a big bluff against a villain we know is capable of folding. Additionally in this hand we have been defending the entire time as the caller. The villain can easily think any Ace is good here for a jam because of how passive we have played. In the 66 hand, we took over as the aggressor with a flop raise and then bet both turn and river and inspite of all of this aggression from us villain JAM RAISES us on the river. Thats an infinitely stronger line that pretty much removes anything but full houses from his range.
@SteveGouldinSpain2 жыл бұрын
The problem with bold raises on micrstake tables is everybody folds. I generally find the best way to get money on the table is to start small and build trying to keep as many players betting as possible.
@khwezzofficial28426 жыл бұрын
Maybe the reason is bad bankroll. If you had right bankroll you would call this. Even if you think you are beat, you cant fold a Full house. I think, calling preflop is ok sometimes. but you defo have to check raise flop or turn on that board and get it all in on the river.
@fundiver1986 жыл бұрын
The stakes are 2$. I dought anyone has bankroll problems at that limit.
@skyller55966 жыл бұрын
What we should do on the turn if everyone cheked flop?
@BlackRain79Poker6 жыл бұрын
I would usually just bet out in that case, I don't want it getting checked around again.
@albertoacebedo87206 жыл бұрын
According this player. You should check again 😂
@zacharyt34233 жыл бұрын
It is ok to fold because he may have a read on the player, but it should have been folding on the flop or the turn after making big bet or raise- not simply check and call and fold on the river.
@jordanmokricky83285 жыл бұрын
"Rowan (the scrubs)" hand was so under rep'd I am shook that he decided to think it was okay to fold the river. He was literally only losing to AA and AK (maaaaaybe AJ) specifically given the statistics of UTG villian plus how the hand was played (TOTAL OF ONLY 9 COMBINATIONS IN THE ENTIRE HAND MATRIX). The player clearly doesn't know what he is doing. It's time to read a poker book my friend.
@blakehubert185 жыл бұрын
Jordan Mokricky and kk as well.
@SoFasT994 жыл бұрын
And A8 lmaoo
@joshuamroz2305 жыл бұрын
I swear I'm almost done with pocket Jack's altogether whether UTG to having everyone fold to me on the button I think I'm cursed with them and should just fold the hand regardless lol. Seriously tho lately it seems like no matter how I play them. But depending on my HUD has on his he villian and what hands he plays UTG I wouldn't think twice if for example the 6 times he's opened from UTG each time he had AK AA or KK
@DwightHayles4 жыл бұрын
2 ways to play JJ - preflop fold or preflop shove & prepare to reload. Makes life so much easier. :)
@mrgainz72524 жыл бұрын
@@DwightHayles hard to get it all in when deep though but short stack your right 100%. If he 5bets he's normally got it lol
@G0DofRock3 жыл бұрын
It's basically a great call-down strategy.. People play their hands and you insta-check them into giving you info before trying to playing any weak cards on a multi-way preflop. Definitely a good strat from what I've seen so far in poker..it's effective and efficient if you are sticking to solid GTO charts preflop. A good amount of people just call because they are tempted to try to play you as weak..they see it as a higher preflop buy-in and take the bait.
@CanadianLoveKnot4 жыл бұрын
He should have folded on the flop and cut his loses!
@truetrue29636 жыл бұрын
i am never folding there, villian likely has his own stats on hero, mix in calling every street, villian is always jamming for value with 3 of a kind once he makes it to the river.
@cFlakeOfficial6 жыл бұрын
I've been in the same spot 2 times now, having JJ on BB with AJA on the flop.. Both times they had AJ.. It saddens me to see people hit those 1% cards constantly
@GrassLogic-fe9le4 жыл бұрын
That actually only hit those 1% hands 1% of the time...it's math. When your sample size is 2, anything can happen.
@rjp71644 жыл бұрын
Probably beat on the river so I don't mind the fold.
@TheVitalTiger4 жыл бұрын
how do you figure? 16% opening range includes almost any suited A (A5s+), A9/ATo depending, ... and AK is often 4betting... So what is he beating us with exactly? of course if he's raising a little tighter EP... say 10%, that still includes AJo+, A9s+ --- Either way AK is sometimes 4betting, so there is less of that in his range than the other combos... and how hero played it our range looks much weaker than it is, so villain could easily be shoving with any A here..
@VaultTecc4 жыл бұрын
@@TheVitalTiger 4betting to what three bet?
@kommando142 жыл бұрын
my jaw reached the earth's core after the fold. I was thinking that he might be playing slow to avoid the opponent folding and maybe waiting for him to bluff......but WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT FOLD ?!
@SparkySubie4 жыл бұрын
I think calling flop is better and then check raising or betting the turn might be more profitable for all those times the opponent doesn't have an Ace. Is that also a valid strategy? Usually they will just fold to a chk-raise on a paired flop. And if they do have an ace they will just continue to barrel anyways. Except the times they don't they might still double barrel bluff. And I'm sure they won't be paying attention to river bet size being an overbet if they have trips (in case we don't check raise, so they are getting stacked either way). Thoughts?
@MrPuros4 жыл бұрын
weak bet on the flop and on the turn, Villain didn't raised the flop nor the turn.... why fold?
@bruthafromanothamutha73725 жыл бұрын
At NL2 I am squeezing all in with jacks in this spot. Some moron always calls with pocket 4's or so...
@igor68154 жыл бұрын
If players at Micros have anything they will raise so if you're having really good hand you can just let them raise otherwise you could scare them away
@BlackRain79Poker4 жыл бұрын
Good point Kenny!
@MrDan29124 жыл бұрын
Hey blackrain great video! I'm currently 20$ in profit out of net time of around 7 hours of play. Around 5k hands but all of em were in zoom. Would you say I should move regularly to normal CG type of tables or should stay in 2NL zoom until I take a shot at 5NL let's say around 25 BI available?
@BlackRain79Poker4 жыл бұрын
Nice work Shak! When to move up isn't something I can really give advice on because it is a personal thing. But you should have the bankroll for the next limit and have already clearly beaten your current limit as well.
@giftapfel3 жыл бұрын
Im new to poker, im so confused on how this a full house? He has a pair of jacks and 1 on the board, wouldnt that just be 3 of a kind?
@nicks2106843 жыл бұрын
There’s also a pair of aces on the board. So his hand is JJJAA.
@modr01604 жыл бұрын
I would have no issues loosing my stack on this hand. I hope the guy learned not to fold this kind of strength ever again.
@BlackRain79Poker4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback MOD!
@clownworld54742 жыл бұрын
3betting JJ in 6 max is hardly a revelation. Squeezing generally refers to 3 betting multiple opponents with a lighter range.
@Landauh3 жыл бұрын
Is this a fake hand? Who folds a boat at micro stakes, I'd struggle to fold that on the bubble of a 1k buy in
@GrassLogic-fe9le4 жыл бұрын
The Villan does likely have us beat based on his stats, but damn man, sometimes you just gotta pay it off when you hold a monster.
@CYanideUK14 жыл бұрын
LOL
@byron25212 жыл бұрын
Wow! He folds. Even if UG has AK, if you had raised before the river, he or she is likely to fold.
@Borrister4 жыл бұрын
I cringed when he folded. I genuinely thought he was going to lose against a king full house that got there cause he slow played to begin with. Wow, I’m in shock he folded.
@liveslowlivesimple4 жыл бұрын
was expecting villain to have quads... the fold was 1000x less believable
@itsLeoAngelol5 жыл бұрын
Jesus. This hurt my soul.
@snesmaniac2283 жыл бұрын
Either that, or he made an amazing fold! :) If there was some more dynamic, then we could guess he has AK. Respectfully, not well played at all.
@debashissarkar56383 жыл бұрын
A full house with JJJAA on the flop hand and he just checks😨 And a River Fold?😳😳😱🤧
@eduardofreitas83366 жыл бұрын
I jumped out of my chair from shock at the river
@alexwadhwa46132 жыл бұрын
Wow just wow.
@mathieutaillefer84183 жыл бұрын
whats the point of playing JJ if youre not gonna bet or slow play and call a flopped full house? you might as well just cut JJ out of your range completely if this is how youre going to play it. (no offence to Rowan)
@CanadianLoveKnot4 жыл бұрын
What a dream the Villain blasts it on the river, after you failed the raise 3 times! Only to fold!
@RobertMcGimpsey Жыл бұрын
That was just BAD play!!
@jmurrs9105 жыл бұрын
Rowan is the 31-3 SLP drooler fish these videos always talk about
@DwightHayles3 жыл бұрын
JJs are no better than 22s. Unless you hit a set you lose - better to fold pre vs 3 opens. LOL :)
@LuigiCappel6 жыл бұрын
I've been caught occasionally by the NUT FH and I've also been in situations where everyone folded to my aggression, but this is a great hand and with 4 in it, you would have to think someone would stay to pay you off. Give me those cards and I'll definitely follow your advice:)
@rozihanafi76705 жыл бұрын
this is not high stakes.....just call it. The benefit of playing in low stakes is...even you would lose...you dont lose much money, it will not kill you. Fold on full house? Not in low stake.
@onoesmurlocs6 жыл бұрын
At the risk of way over thinking it , i think a hand like 88 could makes sense here he bet 1/3 pot on flop which is what a lot of players do not knowing what to do on these boards , then 8 hits on turn and now he ups the bet to 1/2 pot because his hand has improved in his mind and now he wants to build a pot and then on the river panics and shoves all in hoping the caller as any ace , i could be talking shit lol AK also shoves on the river but the flop 1/3 bet is a bit strange i think AK would check to trap or bet a least 1/2 pot to represent a cbet .
@fundiver1986 жыл бұрын
I think, 88 would just give up most of the time on a board like this against 3 opponents. And I can certainly see AK bet small on the flop, because its really hard for someone else to be happy with this board, when 3 of the aces are spoken for. On the turn he is beginning to feel, that maybe Hero has the case ace, so he size up a little bit. And on the river, he think, Hero probably has it, so when he improve to the nuts, he just goes for max value.
@abixzwee19176 жыл бұрын
Crying my river after this video
@sportsfan6554 Жыл бұрын
My goodness he played that hand so bad on every street. When I saw the fold I was shocked
@SoFasT994 жыл бұрын
What TF did i just watch lmaooo
@eddiemglass4 жыл бұрын
That is a person showing us how not to play poker. If you are going to fold a boat to an all-in after the river card, you would be better off folding after the flop.
@sibbesen Жыл бұрын
Only 4 hands beat him! Specifically AA/KK, A/K and A/8 if he had put him SPECICALLY on AA he should have folded on the flop! If he had him on A/8 he should have folded the turn. Looks like a bad case of "fancy play syndrome" with "I know how to fold a monster fever"!
@MrDavePed4 жыл бұрын
You can fold a boat if there are two pair on the board but not with one pair on the board. Simple. ..
@nicks2106843 жыл бұрын
Or 3 of a kind on the board. Pocket 2s is a pretty easy fold on a board of AK999.
@Sdrawkcab_mi4 жыл бұрын
Wait. What just happened? Did he just fold the nuts? Crazy plays 🤣
@DwightHayles4 жыл бұрын
Not even close to the nuts. AA is the nuts, KK second nuts, A/K 3rd nuts, A/J and A/8 still beat him, but - still never folding here cause I'd never be here on the river with this terrible line. Squeeze pre, 70% flop bet, if villain is still around ship on turn.
@leahmarie18064 жыл бұрын
@@DwightHayles I tell you what Ill take AK-you take KK and we will see who gets shipped the pot here. I'll even take AJ A8 still. Not sure why you think KK is 2nd.
@SoFasT994 жыл бұрын
@@leahmarie1806 what are u talking about ? AK beats KK on this flop. He said it well. AA nuts. AK 2nd. AJ 3rd A8 then KK THEN JJ. But we raise flop and turn to avoid all those hands getting there. And we jam river regardless
@nicks2106843 жыл бұрын
@@SoFasT99 Dwight said KK was second nuts. Leah was correcting him.
@peterkowalczyk8723 жыл бұрын
Nice. Giving free card preflop. Big mistake at pokerstars! At Stars,he would get another ace and all would tell you. Why you dont bet preflop?
@kitbillion77834 жыл бұрын
River fold is standard oO villain won't shove anything worse