Why You SHOULD CONSIDER Leveling Basics on Non-Basic DPS Units

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These gauntlets are specific and odd, and that got me thinking about our DPS users and specifically if you should level their basics and by extension their dodge counters? I mean honestly why not right? It's more damage and if you're struggling still with certain things, any advantage helps... As long as you got the materials for it. This video explains why you may want to level up your basic attacks on your DPS units even if your DPS units aren't basic attack centric.
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[@Vinsenneth]

These gauntlets are specific and odd, and that got me thinking about our DPS users and specifically if you should level their basics and by extension their dodge counters? I mean honestly why not right? It's more damage and if you're struggling still with certain things, any advantage helps... As long as you got the materials for it. This video explains why you may want to level up your basic attacks on your DPS units even if your DPS units aren't basic attack centric.

[@shirebarkhad500]

Im new to the gacha gaming so can u like explain the difference between basic attacks and flat attack on echoes r they the same or different?

[@av3_ther]

@@shirebarkhad500 the basic attack% increases the basic attacks specifically. the flat attack or attack% increases the character’s overall attack, you can see it on the stats list next to them. it increases all types of damage that the character deals

[@DESOUL3003]

Just level everything to 10 on the characters you use, you don't need crowns or any extremely limited resources in this game.

[@BladeSerph]

Exactly why it’s so much easier to grind on Wuwa because no resources are locked to the days of the week or some time gated event. Which I don’t recall how many resources Genshin gives out at max since I never played it that long but very sure they give FAR LESS, then 9 potential instances of leveling special and talents above 6/10. Which very sure is also due to the fact they limited it to some kind of once per week per each world boss logic and still have another limit on that too alongside both purple and gold tier resources to make it that much more a Hassle to level your favorite units which gets worst if they need resources from the same world boss meaning they get even further delayed as a result without skipping over half the talents to get it done in a single version.

[@mcbx3d]

@@BladeSerph In Genshin you can do the weekly bosses only one per week (you can loot all of then, but only one time) and you gain 2 (in rare cases 3) boss mats, but there is 3 types of item per boss and they are random, so you can get 2 mats that you don't need. They have one item dropped by the weekly bosses too that it's a bit rare to drop that let you change one mat for other of the same boss, but like I said it's a bit rare. To lvl up one talent from 6 to 10 you'll need 6 boss mats, so you'll need at least 3 weeks if you are lucky to drop the mats, and if you want to upgrade all 3 talents it's 18, so with lucky you'll need "only" 9 weeks (one patch have 6 weeks... ). And you'll need one crown per lvl 10, but they give this item a lot and takes a lot of time to build one character so it's an item that prob a lot of people 'll have some in the inventory.

[@MagisterialVoyager]

if it's affordable (less than 50k shell credits per skill) i usually level them up. more damage is always great in many time gated situation!

[@Vinsenneth]

Absolutely. Wish things were cheaper or we got some more shell credits! I feel like if people are still struggling with DPS checks and have followed guides on certain characters, maybe that extra bit of damage from basics could help push them. Damage is damage.

[@MagisterialVoyager]

@@Vinsenneth we're getting that 2 millions Shell Credits from an upcoming event, right? that should help! i love Kuro for giving us that, ahaha.

[@N.biebie8428]

@@MagisterialVoyager so we need to wait for an event to level up our skills now? 2millions is barely enough to level 1 character to 90 with each new banner people hoard all their resources for new character for example Camellya. i do calculation and if i want to build 3-4 character that would took 10million+ shell credit not talking about other resources you need

[@N.biebie8428]

@@MagisterialVoyager 4months into wuwa since launch and i only could fully built Jinhsi with level 10 on every talents + level 90 weapon and good but not perfect echos stats. i'm holding Changli, Zhezhi, Shorekeeper back on Intro and basic attack talent cause i don't have enough resources to level them up and this feeling of waiting for new events so i could get free resources to build my character is not good at all it feels like i got nothing to do while waiting. Farming echo in the open world feel pointless since i don't have echo exp to level them up anyway while using waveplates to farm for echo exp feel like a waste cause you need waveplates for other resources such as Character materials, Talents mats, weapon mats.

[@danielw.2456]

To answer your question at the end. I ALWAYS max EVERYTHING. Once i decide to build a character it irks me to no end not seeing all their skills at 10/10. Sure, i'm building characters at a slower rate due to this, but it makes me happy so i don't mind.

[@makeit5008]

same!!

[@mukuro8033]

respect, same.

[@varas2905]

I disagree. At least for xiangli yao and rover. If u have a good ER stat + right rotation, u should never be inside normal state for both of them. Rover case, if u spend 2 intro on her, + a reso skill, u should have umbra up to max already and while in dark surge stat, everything except liberation scale with forte. In Xiangli Yao case, with enough ER, right rotation with an outtro, an intro + memphis u should be able to ult immediately without downtime, u only benefits the heavy attack u have to weave in somewhere just to activate void thunder set. In both these cases, non of them want to be in normal state because it would be a dps loss. And both of them has their counter strike and basic scale with other stuff rather than basic attack. However, this only apply to rover and xiangli yao. I do not have changli or other dps to voice my opinion about. But seeing changli have to weave in basic a lot to get her stack, it probably worth it? Oh and Jinhsi also another good example, she never wants to be in normal state as she want to get intro skill to activate her celestial set and immediately get into incarnation form. Every attack in her incarnation form scale with her forte (and for the activation of incarnation form, it scale with her reso skill). So, at least for these 3 popular dpses, I see no point in leveling basic as they never uses basic except overworld. Even their intro or outro is worth more than it if u really want to maximize their dmg.

[@nobletenshi7659]

I tend to max everything, Forte is usually the first I aim for, having the highest. Some of my characters look like this, 7.8.9.8.7. And two characters I have maxed everything is Havoc Rover and Jinhsi.. which is 10 across the board.

[@Vinsenneth]

Yeah as of right now most characters get to around 9 for me. I know it's common too for people to max everything for their favorites. Like I didn't need to level Zhezhi's basics or intro but I did because I love using her.

[@nicksm2976]

With proper rotations on ToA, with preety much any character, like Changli, Jiyan, Jinhsi, Havoc Rover, Encore, etc, you can just completely ignore their basic attacks and never use them. I only level basic attack on characters I use in the open world.

[@oldeyenoughy]

true the only place you wanna be doing maximum damage is toa, using yao's basics ain't even a thing you just swap off after ult for next rotation, a skill outside of main damage category will only be beneficial if you need like a 1 second faster clear as they do basically 1% of the total damage anyways in case of yao

[@christianjaybermudez6447]

Won't leveling jiyan's basics make his heavy atk stronger?

[@oldeyenoughy]

@@christianjaybermudez6447 I think he has separate multiplier on his ult, so when you cast his ult, the ult multipliers for heavy attacks are used, this is how it is for xiangli yao, check the skill description once cuz I am not sure about jiyan

[@duytran9086]

​@@christianjaybermudez6447Jiyan's dmg while attacking with ult is based on his ult's level, not from the Normal attack's level

[@asteriskonline3494]

100% summed it up well. Basic IMO are only useful in solo runs, and Dodge counter while it has good multipliers, like Changli having almost 250% dmg at lvl10, it is not worth the resource.

[@Byrvurra]

I give every character I build a 6,7,8,9,10 treatment in terms of skill levels. Highest priority skill gets leveled to 10, lowest 6. Usually basic attack comes in at 7. Eventually I will max them out, once rate at which I desire to acquire new characters slows down. The main bottleneck tends to be weekly boss resources which I have yet to collect any surplus of.

[@charlescarnegie9380]

i'm in the camp of, if you arn't pulling for dupes, ever bit of DPS counts. i'm in the prossess of leveling all my DPSs skills to level 10. next patch i'll probably focus of my Sub DPSs. then later i'l do my supports. that way, once i know these characters are at 100% (aside from echo min maxing) i can pick and choose who i wanna level between patches. i have almost every 4* at S6 and some do great dmg and are fun to play. I eventually want to get it to be where i am only leveling the new characters and have a very wide roster to have fun with.

[@pramanakumalaputra507]

Eh, not worth it for Xiangli Yao. First, Xiangli Yao in any team (except solo and duo) whether it's quickswap or hypercarry won't use basic attack at all. In hypercarry, you will start with the buffing then immediately use Xiangli Yao Liberation. From here, all his damage is calculated based on liberation including his dodge counter (you can check Unfathomed in his kit for new dodge counter). So, basic attack doesn't matter because his entire kit will depends on his liberation. Even if you're playing quickswap, you won't use any of his basic attack. The reason is because it's better to use basic attack in his liberation form rather than spending 3 Law of Reigns ASAP. So, basically you're delaying the last Law of Reigns until your ultimate almost finished its cooldown. With this, you will never use Xiangli Yao basic attack outside of his Liberation. For Changli, sure she use it even though it's rare. Intro, Plunge, Res Skill twice will gives her full forte bar already. The problem is it worth it for the weekly material?

[@lestercruz4073]

Oh, I'll be leveling up My Camellya's basic attack, that's for sure.

[@asteriskonline3494]

Breed Breed Breed

[@vinny9500]

I only level what is needed most, but I do tend to level the basic and intro skills to lv7. With resources being as limited as they are and the higher SOL3 ranks not providing any uplift in those resources, I do not feel it is worth the investment. 1.4 Spoiler below . . . . . However, if a character focuses on basic attacks like Encore or especially Camellya. Then yes I will be maxing her basic attack over her other skills.

[@doedoel035]

I would level up basic attacks... If I had any weekly materials! Right now I'm raising like 2-3 Characters from scratch which means I need to allocate 4 weekly materials for skill trees. the remaining 5 would be spent on Liberation, Skill and Forte so yeah, none left for basic (for now).

[@VincentLloydM]

The struggle is so real

[@WastedTalent83]

i do both.. i max everything or lvl what's needed, based on how much i like that character AND if their normal attack do decent damage or are used a lot in their rotation

[@DisIngRaM]

Ultimately depends on the character and how we want to play them Xiangli Yao, up to 10, because I use him on field. On Challenging content (TOA), his basic attack is almost unused, which might make it a waste. Zhezhi, up to 10, since weaving some basic attack into her rotation is necessary against mobs (Boss can skip), but TOA include mobs. Jihnsi, up to 10, because I got her to S2, and I'm using her for field unit.

[@just_play_for_fun2544]

Were does rover fall in this I am new to the games

[@asteriskonline3494]

Spectro idk🤣 Havoc no. Havoc Rover if you let them receive 2 outro skills (The switch when at full concerto), will always be at her Darksurge state. Her attacks will take her Forte skill multiplier instead of basic. TLDR: Rover doesn't want to lvl basic

[@fertyt3534]

what about introskill? should I be leveling those or can I leave them at lvl7?

[@aayushmanchaturvedi3706]

It definitely depends on the team and rotation If you can get the timing of the skills right during rotation and your ults are completely charged by the end of that You don't need to even consider BA But if everything doesn't fit, and if the main dps spends a lot of time on-field, levelling up BA is a good choice Well, it all boils down to whether you even have the resources anyway, If you have and nobody else wants them, using them doesn't hurt

[@mrrejoice8054]

I only max everything for danjin period

[@asteriskonline3494]

based

[@amehhn]

Support characters are an exception right? Like shorekeeper, verina, baizhi, mortefi. They only get a small amount of field time. Or should i also upgrade them after main dps's?

[@asteriskonline3494]

I usually leave their skill at lvl1, because you are mostly after their Outro skill and not their personal damage. But a well built sub DPS like Mortefi will do a lot of damage with Max Liberation.

[@Eduan_the_King]

i use my changli (with her signature) as my dps together with sanhua to buff her basics, thats why iv always lvld up basics on her

[@enkei_zerosan]

I max level up all forte of my most used characters(dps or not) to get the maximized dmg possible to clear the fastest time in endgame contents

[@jpupper428]

AND HER NAME IS JON HSINA

[@konaownsoyu]

very good intake. looking forward for new contents like this.

[@arynsinger6811]

Nice analysis! Well explained

[@arynsinger6811]

I tend to level up basic attacks when they build stacks more, and also boost energy regeneration with an echo or two if they need that to be more efficient in getting in those big attacks

[@Vinsenneth]

Thank you I appreciate it! I think Wuwa has the benefit of their forte system which means most characters will utilize their basics. Damage is damage so why not hit a bit harder on the small down times you have when not in your main damage source, you know?

[@Draighean]

I just max it all. Up to 5 seconds difference in tower easily.

[@provokegaming1755]

Already maxed most of my main dps basic attack

[@jocelreloncillo8093]

i lvl basics to 8. if got spare mata then maxing them is also ok

[@Vinsenneth]

Yeah I think good stopping points for off damage types is around 6-8 depending on the person. It's kinda crazy how fast you burn through... Well everything.

[@Packirup1234]

Me who raises all stats to max

[@AppleGrid]

Camellya will be the first limited unit that utilizes basic attack dmg as core multiplier, we don't know if her basic attack will be the source of dmg though

[@r.d.6290]

Zhezhi too (painter girl in glasses)

[@claggor1070]

Zhezhi was the first

[@wildcrown340]

Honestly, for solo or duo-only play, yes, basic attacks and dodge counters are very important, more than everything else, especially if the character has a transformation-like ultimate, which often have tight damage windows and long animations (yes, even with Xiangli Yao you have to think twice if you want to attack the Crownless during his rush of attacks). For anything else... nah, it's not necessary, but I would love to see another monk like Jianxin with their damage focused on basic attacks and dodge counters.