Why You Should NEVER EVER BUY A Used Porsche 997

What To Look For When Buying A Used Porsche 911 997

[@jackcarter66]

Here we go again! Online scaremongering. People thinking you can buy a 15-20 year old sports car like a 911, at 100k plus miles, and expect it perform faultlessly forever just because it’s the most expensive car *they* have ever bought. It’s an old car! Old cars go wrong! You cannot fix cars like these on a Ford budget. Budget for about £2-3k maintenance per year, buy the best car you can possibly afford, not the cheap one in the colour you liked. If you can’t afford this, then you can’t afford the car and you are not in the market. Get over it.

[@BMWDoctor]

😂 I can tell you by far this wasnt even close to the most expensive car I have ever bought. I wouldn’t call £10k expensive and overhauling it I ain’t complaining as I have the money for it. I ain’t ever paid more then £10k for any car even my M5 and my M3 it’s a car not a house. You may go out and buy a car in this state for £25k+ but I certainly would not based on everything this car needs and they will all need this sooner or later.

[@jackcarter66]

@@BMWDoctor I hope you’re not referring to me as a clown 🤡 i was talking about commenters in general who pay very little for a 911 (compared to the cost of the car when it was new) then expect to run it for pennies, and act like the world has come to an end when it inevitably requires money being spent on it. I have a 996 and spend money fixing things before they become a serious issue, that’s preventative maintenance - the car has been brilliant - but then I paid good money for a good car with low mileage, impeccable history and near mint condition, so it’s no surprise really.

[@BMWDoctor]

@@jackcarter66 there is your answer you paid too dollar for the car where I don’t do that and never will. You cannot give £25k for a 911 and expect it to be perfect at some point it’s going to need everything I have done even if you minus the engine rebuild just the suspension overhaul and coolant pipes, that alone is expensive luckily I do it all myself but that is common on all 997 and 987s there is no avoiding that and by the time you factor in £25k+ for one then have to do that which I know none of these Porsche guys even think of doing that I went and saw many I was even gonna post a video and embarrass half of the Porsche community as I find it disgusting they haven’t done anything I have done you go their cars are on 80-90k and everything is shot and they expect top money for them cars the Porsche community is a crazy community. And every one I went to see I offered them £10k cash and all was thinking I was mad yet them cars are still sitting up on eBay not even sold. And that’s why we do videos like this telling people not to buy one for £25k unless it’s had all of this done as it means these porsche guys will be stuck with that car unless they put good money into it and if they can’t do it themseleves we’ll then they have to sell it cheap. Look me and Nathan know what we are doing we are what made the prices fall on bmw doing these kind of videos we put a end to people selling neglected and ambushed BMWs they had to scrap them. The more awareness we make the more these porsche guys will drop the prices as they will struggle as people are not just aware of bore score and ims they are now aware it needs a lot more then just that.

[@jackcarter66]

@@BMWDoctor I take your point, I really do. I have over 20 years trade experience - and worked in the Porsche network selling 986 / 987 & 996 / 997 new between 02 and 06. The scaremongering I refer to are people who just repeat what they’ve heard online without any actual hands on experience - creating a ton of misinformation that damages the brand. The skill is in buying the right car, for a realistic price and understanding these cars require time and serious financial investment to be appreciated fully - I sold cars to lots of people who quickly panicked and sold them on because the hadn’t realised the level deprecation and costs of maintenance and ownership were way above what they could afford. I love my 996, but she’s high maintenance and is no daily driver 😅

[@wpbarchitect1800]

@@BMWDoctor I know it's not possible literally but what would be your best estimate of % of cars w bore scoring on a well maintained (that is to say, not neglected) 75-85K mile 996, 997 or 987? Same question re: shot cooling lines pipes hoses and brake lines? It's hard to understand how there is such a steady market for these cars (with IMS RMS AOS etc. sorted) if they're all short-term 10-20K repair time bombs about to go off. One of the positives for even buying ones of these is they seem to have hit the bottom of the depreciation curve so at least at resale time you're not going to get rinsed (although now that we are in inflationary times-which are here to stay but that's another story-'maintaining' equal value is actually substantial depreciation, for example a car bought in 2021 for 20K USD and sold in 2023 for exactly the same actually LOST about 3500 in purchasing power value, which nobody seems to realize...that is how vicious inflation is.) But the positive of 'no depreciation' seems like it's offset by the inevitable huge $$ hit. I've always wanted one of these cars, but I can't wrench a damn thing myself and I've had my share of putting $$ into older cars (which I love) that you NEVER get back, breaking down on the side of the freeway and almost getting killed, etc. Maybe it's a 2022-3 BRZ or GR86 w 10K for me after all lol. How sad 😅 Ta and cheers.

[@poco1174]

I never get these kind of “Porsches will fail videos”. I am on number six and although I have had my share of small issues I always put mileage on them, much of it driven all year in Colorado, and have never even heard of much of this nonsense. 79 911 SC Targa-yes it leaked oil, sold it at 135000 miles, still running great. 86 944 NA, damn dash cracks, overheating due to the archaic model T type cooling system. But fixable. Otherwise magnificent car. Sold it at around 120000 miles. Running strong and would still top out at 130mph. 2001 996. Great little car-despite its reputation. Yes I was talked in to replacing the IMS. 102000 miles, was a dual row. Looked new. Sold it around 117000 miles. Not a single issue when I sold it. 2010 Boxster, never a single issue. Sold at 60000 because I moved to a two car garage. 2021 Macan. No issues other than my wife hated it. Sold at 10000 miles. 2013 Boxster. Has 30000 miles no mechanical issues, but my radio is ridiculously cheap. Hyundais have better radios. And my door panels at the base of the windows are mildly warping. Only I notice it. Houston, Tucson and Las Vegas heat and sun.

[@peterbest5938]

Agree 120%

[@DonBMW]

Honda builds the best engines in the world and far surpasses Porsche on build quality and value for the $. You would think that for $100K Porsche would build some amazingly reliable machines. But no. $35K for an engine rebuild? That's madness. That's cost alone is 30 years of car ownership for me. 86 Honda Civic - 300k miles - $500 91 Honda Civic - 185k miles - $1,200 94 Honda Accord - 200k miles - $1,200 1998 Honda Civic - 200k miles - $2,500 2004 Honda Civic - 200k miles - $15,000 (purchased new and added 200k trouble free miles) 2006 Honda S2000 - 115K miles - $18,000 (runs like a top and screams to 8k RPM)

[@peterbest5938]

@@DonBMW $35k for an engine rebuild is bollocks. It’s nowhere near that money

[@MrRikko951]

driving a 1997 996 cab every day of the year for the last ten years, fixing only things that are broken. cheap to run, only had to change leaking radiators, a waterpump, ignitioncoils and the alternator. 275.000km on the clock. sleeps outside and runs fine. Guys, just buy one if you can, it makes you happy!

[@jonfrench7133]

please don’t let this put you off. You just need to be informed, as with any older performance car. Just take this video as entertainment with the objective of driving revenue rather than genuinely informing buyers

[@BMWDoctor]

This video is far from entertainment you think I would be replacing all this for entertainment only? If you do then your diluded all the Porsches need all this this isn’t entertainment at all every porsche out there will need somewhat near the same as what I have have done already. I will have Nathan delete your comment as I believe it’s stupid and ridiculous @nathansporscheworkshop delete this comment bro as the guy is making people believe that these cars don’t need this stuff when we both know they do. Porsche prices will never come down with people like this around

[@jonfrench7133]

@@BMWDoctor don’t think you’re understanding the message in what appears to be a rather emotional response. Let informed people make informed choices. Neither of the two extremes you have portrayed, that classic P cars are unreliable and should be avoided OR that i’m claiming that they are maintenance free, is in fact the case. Genuine buyers will do a lot of their own research and come to a balanced conclusion

[@peterbest5938]

Agree - I’ve run a 2006 997.1 Carrera 4S with 60k miles. I bought it in 2020 with 30k on the clock from its original owner. Apart from consumables it’s a daily driver and has been all over Europe twice now since COVID restrictions eased up in 2022. Never misses a beat it came with the stronger Porsche IMS so no issues there. It did have Bore Scoring after 3 years and Porsche paid 75% of the costs to repair. No issues since and it doesn’t use any oil in between services. Apart from the usual consumables the car has been bullet proof. Don’t let the KZbin scaremongers put you off. The 911 997 is the sweet spot. Do your homework as with any purchase and walk away from anything where there is no history file. Make sure the services and repairs have all been carried out so when you take over you won’t have a big bill to get the car back to where it should be.

[@danilostrunk9108]

Why you should never listen to advice from a guy who dropped an engine on a plastic cart 😂

[@jaytucker4338]

@@danilostrunk9108 Never ask your barber if you need a haircut.

[@Bite-Size-Tech]

997.1 2005 100k miles, no issues

[@peterbest5938]

We’ll said

[@shahintavackoli5896]

Generally speaking, he's full of shit.

[@1laimmiss]

No issues yet

[@reeltrides911S]

Love my 2006 997.1 C4S. Owned it for four years. A few oil changes and new tires and I drive all year. Did a lot of YT videos with it and it’s wonderful. Porsche 911’s are the best.

[@andrewthompsonuk1]

I put lithium grease around the ends of my coolant pipes 11 years ago when I got my 997 and they still look good at the ends (no leaks). My brake pipes still have all their paint on them an I have greased around the exposed parts. I would consider the Porsche better than most cars in every way except for the bore scoreing. Even the IMS was not really the biggest issue, just swap it out when you change the clutch and when you rebuild the engine just put the bigger one in. Febi Bilstein make coffin arms for porsche. I have had good luck with their components. I think the biggest expense on these cars come from all the "up sells" at the specilists. In fact they are easy (well easier than BMW) to work on and componets are made to a high stand so most parts last. I did the clutch on my 997 and it was one of the easist I have ever done (except for 70s RWD cars). I would say that a 997 is a car one should buy as long as you have a plan as to how you are going to handle all the potential problems.

[@donaldbillings1693]

I've had 2 997.2s I sold one, and kept one. I now have over 125000 miles on it without any major problems. Shocks don't leak cooling system doesn't leak engine doesn't leak, yes, I've done control arms and coffin arms, and lots of other maintenance items but no major issues, including PDK no bore scoring. She drives perfect and it's the best car ever owned by far.

[@Nb61777]

Your title says never to buy one but your first words are what you should look for… stop being misleading

[@peterbest5938]

As a Porsche 911 owner this content is click bait scaremongering and at times downright false. It has no place as a credible piece of 997 content on KZbin

[@NathansPorscheWorkshop]

That may hold some truth if we were not fixing the car on the video with these issues lol

[@peterbest5938]

@@NathansPorscheWorkshop what doesn’t hold any truth is your video title and the emphasis on upper case to ram home the claim that the model is a shocker. You can see the challenging reaction from the viewers. Interesting to see the fallout because of the fake exaggerated title

[@peterbest5938]

@@NathansPorscheWorkshop but you click bait and scaremonger by suggesting that all vehicles have these issues and must be avoided. Utter amateur claptrap……

[@user-qw5fl9dw6k]

Looking at that chassis I would have thought this 997.1 had only ever been driven in summer. Very nicely restored!

[@space_114v2]

The title is click bait I get it .... The 997.1 is a great car ... Now having said that like any car especially in the UK being used in winter with tons of salt used will experience the issues as mentioned . That's not the cars fault . The title should read "Why You Should NEVER EVER BUY A Used Porsche 997 and use it as a daily in the winter especially in the UK". Also there are many documented articles that describe in detail why iron sleeves do not work well in 911 engines . NICKIES only ! Also that car has been used substantially as one can tell from the patina on the chassis and components. Decent vid had some good info and some not so knowledgeable info. 👁

[@dailydriven991]

Lol Porsche is one of the most reliable brands out there and they absolutely can be driven year round with basic maintenance. This includes regular washing with undercarriage rinse which at least in the US is available pretty much everywhere. My friend has 200k miles on his daily driven Cayman and it’s been bulletproof, and I know many 911 drivers who run the hell out of them year round. Cars that sit are the ones that end up having problems. 99% of owners won’t notice any internal engine wear because the car will just keep on going anyway without symptoms. This is nonsense lol.

[@kubo320]

Exactly I also thought the same thing. And when he was going on about how his 911 will be the best in the country after changing brake lines putting the upgrade on brakes and engine rebuild, like he invented something new 😃. He is talking about it like this cars are bought by people who really have a problem to invest in them to make the same thing. The part when he's saying how fortunate he is to have 15000 to invest in car. It's not rare to find 997 in clean condition. Just have bigger budget. He is just promoting the car or trying to sound dramatic.

[@arjenboekema8063]

First of all i think your title is misleading, as you claim to not buy a 997. In your video the first remark you make is that, regarding you, a lot happens by 80000-100000 mls. I think you should mention that in the title. Second, a SPORT car with 80000-100000 mls is quite a lot. In my opinion you can not state not to buy a 997 in general. It depends on how maintenance has been carried ( dealer or handyman)out and also depends how the car is driven and maintained by previous owners. It’s not different from any other car. Third, is that the 997 was born 2005, almost 20 years ago, so it’s possible that you get costs due to age, as all other cars of 20 years will have. Fourth; I hear a lot about expensive parts. Hello, it’s a Porsche, not a VW beetle, so you know on forehand that parts will be more expensive when you own a Porsche. Also a lot of footage regarding bore scoring ( which only 6% of all sold cars have issues with)/ IMS can be found on internet. With that the costs to have these, well known issues, fixed. So in my opinion you can perfectly buy a used Porsche 997. Just do your homework and know what you can expect and make up mind what you want to do. Buy a car with all issues fixed, save some more money and buy one with lowe mileage, or buy one and take care of the common issues yourself. Last remark i want to make is that a Porsche 997 is considered a good investment, prices are stable and even rising as the car is a potential future classic. I saw my 997 Turbo mk2 go up 30.000 euros in three years time…. So i would say: BUY A 997!

[@DeltaCharlie27]

well said and balanced response!

[@unhygienix1970]

For your reference, a complete coolant pipe replacement, soft and hard pipes, in a 987 Base was $4500 CAD at a good indy shop for me 2 years ago. At about 100,00 Km's. One owner car that had been driven in the snow and rain. As in the video LCA's are next for me. Likely refresh other suspension parts while they are in there. But I love it and don't intend to sell it. So my decisions are made considering that.

[@DuckSticks]

Credibility = zero. The last time I watch a video on this channel.

[@hobear637]

I’m glad videos like this are scaring people away, it allows me to buy great 997.1’s at great prices. These are great cars folks, these issues will happen with any old car. Salt will destroy any car, doesn’t matter if it’s a Porsche or a Toyota. These people are nuts lol

[@ocavant]

The solution to this is to save up your pennies and spend your money on a Metzger GT car ;-)

[@hobear637]

@@ocavant that’s on the list, would look great next to my gt3rs.

[@judgemarshall6127]

Exactly..... Just bought my 2008 997.1 C2S. A California based 15 year old, Clean Title, Single Owner. Immaculate Interior, PPF Double Coated. 93K miles. Borescoped for Borescore... GTG. Compression & Leakdown.... GTG. IMS/RMS.... Replaced... GTG. Water pump replaced.... GTG. Clutch replaced.... GTG. Head Intake Manifold replaced..... GTG. I'm stoked and very pleased. 👨🏽‍✈️✈🏁🎯

[@larryw.c.4544]

Don't buy into these videos. I have owned 5 Porsches in my life. A 911, 911s, 911sc. 930 turbo, and late model Carrera S. I found they are relatively easy to learn to take care of. The most expensive of the lot was the Carrera S. I replaced the brake rotors and pads myself for less than 800 dollars. And, that was much easier to do than I thought it would be.(You would'nt believe what the dealer wanted.) Get a Porsche, You'll love it!

[@shane6115]

Really enjoyed this video thanks lads, my only gripe here is with Porsche, £200 for a rubber pipe, if it was a Toyota or a Ford that part would be £20, I hate that certain companies rob you cause they can, they’ve no loyalty to their customers, especially as Porsche can’t even make a reliable engine.

[@peterbest5938]

Bullshit on the reliable engine comment. Can the Toyota or Ford do 180mph? That’s why some of the components cost more because they have to perform safely at very high speed. Your Toyota or Ford are not comparable

[@user-fi2nb7hc4q]

OK, I own a "2007 911 / 997.1 CS Cabriolet". It has 53,000 miles on it. I bought it in 2008 with 3,000 miles on it. I have had NO ISSUES. The car still runs like a dream after 17 years of ownership. Every time I go to KZbin to see what's going on with these cars, I get the shit scared out of me. What the hell is going on? Is my car going to blow up after it hits 80,000 miles? It will be another 9 years before it hits 80,000 miles at the current rate of driving it 3,000 miles per year. Is the car going live another 9 years?

[@DeltaCharlie27]

my math exactly.

[@frederickcook87]

To say a 911 can’t be driven everyday is pure bs….

[@BMWDoctor]

The question we ask is do you even own one ?

[@frederickcook87]

@@BMWDoctor yup, have for the last ten years asshat 👌🏾(along with a cayenne GTS and a panamera GTS parked along side it) Side Note: who is “we”??

[@wpbarchitect1800]

I think what he means by 'every day' is 365 days a year in a cold climate, they're not meant for winter driving. I thought that was pretty clear in the context of their conversation, but I could be wrong.

[@frederickcook87]

@@wpbarchitect1800 dude, I know countless people that daily their 911 in nyc, Chicago, and plenty other places. It’s not like it’s NOT cold in Germany. More over my 911 handles pretty damn good in the snow. Is the 911 the best daily driver, no, are there better daily drivers, yes… but YOU can (and people do) daily a 911 Was that clear “within the context” 🙄

[@marcopolo87948]

same here. Daily my both 997‘s since Ive bought them.. Nothing wrong so far..@@frederickcook87

[@ceskasimplifies]

I live in Ohio and drive my 997 C4 year round - even in snow (with snow tires) Budget 5-7k USD a year for service. Been unlucky this year with about 9k so far. Still wouldn’t want to drive anything else - other than maybe a new one.

[@peterbest5938]

Trust me I’ve driven the new ones and my 997 C4S is way more engaging than the electronically assisted 992’s

[@chloehananalfayed]

Nathan do you have a complete detail how to rebuilt 996 Engine Video ? Thank You

[@BMWDoctor]

Hurry up and get back we have a lot To do and a lot of people wanting to come and see us 👌

[@Danielgibson1981]

👀 yeah including me 😜 oi Deano has he been in your Olympic pool yet ? I bet your fukin lovin the weather now…. Shame I’m always blimming working otherwise I would join ya on the deck 😤

[@BMWDoctor]

@@Danielgibson1981 😄 not yet his girlfriend said she would when she comes over he didn’t want to while he was here I did tell him if he was here now he would because of the temperature here. Mate just come after it’s still hot after 5 anyway. They only just come and done the chemicals so it will be ready tommorow after 3 days of waiting 🙄 but I been busy with the 997 anyway so I ain’t been worried too much about using it. Aaron is coming over aswell when Nathan is back over call me and we will talk as we are planning a get together As he comes back this month

[@juryca]

Most of the work done here is preventative maintenance rather than repairs. If one part fails, it's good practice to change all the common wear parts in the vicinity to save on labor in the future. Any car over 15 years old is going to need thousands in annual maintenance like this to keep it in top condition. Driving a Porsche 911 is an expensive hobby that also happens to be transportation.

[@LynxStarAuto]

Exactly.

[@davidmorrow4195]

Disagree completely on the "any car over 15 years is going to need thousands of year in maintenance". My weekend only driven 2006 Z4M that I have had for over 10 years is averaging about $400 a year in maintenance/repair (tires and fluids). I can now spend $6k (600 x 10) and my average would still be $1k a year.

[@TheG60528XiJinPing]

I love how people think 911s are expensive to maintain. These are Camrys compared to exotic cars that are actually expensive to maintain like McLarens and Ferraris

[@ocavant]

Why would anyone do all that work to a TIP??? No way that car will bring all the money. Nice work and impressive he is doing all that, but this cat has been smoking too much of his own S. It will be "pristine" but still a TIP...lol. Sorry, but that is the harsh truth.

[@BMWDoctor]

Bruda the car is sold already it’s been sold for over a month so shows how much you know. I have a big channel where people trust me tell me why it won’t sell being a tiptronic ? Tiptronic is much better then a manual and smokes a manual car everytime espeically the Mercedes transmission this isnt the crap ZF gearbox that’s like saying nobody buys a 911 turbo in tiptronic but they do! And that has the same gearbox as this. This wasn’t a car to keep I already had a buyer before I bought this to overhaul I ain’t doing all this work for nothing trust me deposit was paid the moment I started it. Stop hating on it just because you can’t buy it find me a manual in the condition this is going to be in once finished you can’t that’s why we getting a lot of people hating as they wish this was a manual but I don’t do manual and the person who bought it had a manual and said it was shit he sold his 997 4 months ago looking for a tiptronic. 😊 it’s sold for £32K and that’s how I got the money to do all this based on the deposit he paid. Oh and after this I now have 3 others tiptronics to overhaul like this but I won’t do this for manual cars not worth it.

[@wpbarchitect1800]

@@BMWDoctor I just test drove a 996 w a Tip and I was mind blown by how much I liked it given all the hate. Smooth crisp perfectly intuitive shifts. It was a .2 so it had the Merc box, maybe the earlier one is s*** but man it changed my mind in an instant: if I get a 996 or 997 a Tip is the way to go especially living in a city w horrible traffic as I do I'd rather let it do the work--and it does it VERY well. I hope the punters don't catch on shhhhh....!

[@keyo525]

The reason the bolts get so rusted out is because the engine is very low at the rear and the tyres kick the salt right under the block-a fwd engine normally has some form of under engine protection and the exhaust manifold is by the bulk head protected - i never use my 997 in salt - it hibernates indoor in winter, Its great work that your doing to the car but it wont be the best car out there as you cant replicate a low mileage garage queen car that smells like it left the factory and no wear in the interior- mint factory paint job- a 100 k car aint going to achieve that .In regards to cost you dont have to do it all at once - you can do a midlife refresh over several years- lot less costs then a depreciating new car- most 997 owners do this and there are some great cars out there owend by enthusiast .

[@BMWDoctor]

You must be mad about several years I wouldn’t be waiting years that ain’t how you make money and I want this car done this is what I do daily I got nothing else to do. My job is to get this complete and get it up for sale. Unfortauntely I know it will be the best one out there sorry nobody wants a garage queen porsche for that reason you may have low mileage but guess what, as the mileage creeps up and when it’s time to sell and that person racks up the miles all this stuff is going to need doing so there is no avoiding it period. I ain’t like most porsche guys same as on BMW I get them overhauled within months and gone that’s how it should be. Sorry to tell you but this car is already sold to a Porsche club member which a deposit is already secured for £32k because as he said he didn’t want a low mileage one that everytime he is driving it putting miles on worrying that problems are going to come. Which don’t worry eventually you will have all these issues and you have to get it done immedaitely ! He wanted something he can actually drive not something to be stored and this is the best mechanical 997 on the road in the Uk as it’s had everything done this is a straight mot pass it won’t even have 100 miles on everything that’s been put on this car.

[@keyo525]

@@BMWDoctor My 997 has only done 38 k miles and never seen salt or a winter . ive all ready changed the majority parts you have over several years - preventative maintenance before they got wrecked. also a 3.6 manual is the least likely engine to grenade (none mezger) in the 997.1 range - the tip 3.8 is the most likely to prematurely grenade . You've done well to get 32 k even though you have done a comprehensive underbody restore and engine rebuild as a 100 k tip car is just not that desirable to most looking to get into the model - Ive restored many a car bolt and nut and learnt a few years ago to buy a garage queen as you just cant replicate a mint factory paint job or interior- you can change the mechanical parts no problem or seals- a 100k uk winter driven car is like a dog chasing its tail.

[@BMWDoctor]

@@keyo525no need to worry about grenading when the buyer has me 😅 he don’t need to take it to a garage if it needs doing I can do it so that alone sells the car knowing they can bring it to me and not get charged stupid prices I mean my other part of my shop is being built and we are adding another lift there so we have the space. Some people do not care about that providing it’s all been overhauled and them issues are no longer showing people don’t care as the buyer told me he has a 987.2 right now and he said he had been looking for a 997.1 for over 5 years and every single one he went and saw was a heap of s**t low mileage or high mileage and they had nothing done none of the cars he went to go and see nobody had a lift of any sort to lift the car up to let him see what has been done he went though the receipts and all the parts wasn’t recent it was over the years instead of doing the overhaul I’m doing where it’s all immedaitely overhauled and new the way people want a car which is the whole lot in one go! The buyer is watching and is very happy and if you knew about the tiptronic it’s one of the most reliable gearboxes and the best gearbox there is the Mercedes transmission which was also used in the 996 turbo s. Anyone who knows Porsches knows that already go and look it up there is enough online that will tell you that that the Mercedes gearbox is the best gearbox of them all everyone knows them boxes and everything is readily available for them to rebuild them. And no just no I wouldn’t touch a 3.6 sorry not for me unless it’s a S I wouldn’t be intrested if you knew what I got this car for you would understand for me this car has been worth the overhaul I don’t pay much for cars and I never overpaid for this by any means.

[@nelsonclub7722]

Video: It will fall apart like the Bluesmobile the moment you get it home Reality: The most reliable car brand you can buy

[@mikimiki195]

Great video

[@bighomie245]

I Must of gotten a 1 off 997.1. Got mine 3yrs ago manual at 100k miles and all iv done is basic Mx like oil and brakes. Changed the water pump (it was still from the factory and was moderately worn so could have gone longer). It’s got over 128k miles and is my daily driver and no issues

[@RezCleveland]

Well your friend in the video Mr BMW Doctor ain’t complaining considering he’s doing all Porsches now I mean he’s just purchased another one. let’s face it he’s been buying one after another🤔 so your comments on this video can’t be that true can they?

[@joaquinsantillan6257]

Thank god i live in nor California no snow no salt. Plus out here we are use to working on old schools so no problem working on my 996 c2.

[@273VIPER]

Cmon man this is the highest degree of fear mongering

[@piotrpix]

Can you please do a 997.2 edition of this? The 997.2 to my understanding does not have bore scoring issues or IMS. What about the other costs? Is it still expensive, or did Porsche resolve some of these issues (as in made a better car)?

[@wpbarchitect1800]

If you accept Nathan's vids as scripted entertainment w ultra click bait titles intended to generate interaction for algo reasons, you'll enjoy them....

[@NathansPorscheWorkshop]

lol I have never written a script in my life, I ran this video for 1 week with a normal title and it got roughly 500 views, I changed the title to a more attractive title and what do you know it gets views, in 2023 if you run a video without a clickbait type title you will not have a channel to post on , I would love to do more educational videos like I use to do but KZbin WILL NOT promote that , this is KZbin 101 from from them not Nathan , this video has made $32 as of today with 12k views so there is that ....

[@AB-jo1pe]

@@NathansPorscheWorkshopno, you would still have a channel to post to, and you have maintained credibility in the long term. Then again, if your goal is strictly to monetize the channel, regardless of how you do so, then go on.

[@AB-jo1pe]

And if with thousands of views you still make nearly zero money, then why just make the video, top to bottom, title to credits as earnest as possible. Having watched a bunch of your videos, it seems the sky is always falling. Seems your almost promoting paying to do the work - or paying Porsche for parts and doing the work yourself, then never using the car again, since all these systems will fail and cost thousands all over.

[@sebchedick]

This is the detailed breakdown I needed. Just from seeing the brake lines and crossover pipes trying to use this as an all weather car is no.

[@BMWDoctor]

You know that bro 😂 now you see what I mean this shit ain’t cheap when you come over you will see it all the refresh looks good though love seeing it all brand new underneath knowing if I have to remove something it will come off straight away

[@peterbest5938]

Wrong mines a daily driver in all weathers it’s a Carrera 4S so yes it’s an all weather vehicle and gets driven all the time. Apart from consumables and services it never breaks down things just wear out normally for a 180mph car

[@marcopolo87948]

1x 997.1 C2S (78.000km) and 1x 997.2 C2GTS (102.000km) - no issues so far 🤷‍♂bought both new, heavy Autobahn usage in germany and sometimes trackdays.

[@petero2778]

Cars are now getting old guys, they all need work. Just because it has a Porsche badge doesn’t mean it’s supernatural. How much work does a 2005 Toyota need now? Probably just as much and they probably haven’t been driven as hard…

[@arbitrader893]

I have a 997.2 TTS , 997 Turbo, and 997.2 GTS. No bore score and running like a champ. 997's are the best generation IMO, don't believe the hype.

[@yankeeairpirate1799]

Got one….7 years its been fine

[@Willtext]

Centrifugal force will not allow oil to that ims bearing.

[@112hounddog]

Believe me I know my m5 has its issues.....did rod bearings twice, but it currently sits at 172k miles. Porsche owners justifying full engine rebuilds at 80-100k miles is crazy lol but the owners usually have the money for it so to each their own, German maintenance is German maintenance no matter the brand.

[@mikecruise6991]

100000 miles and it falls apart is not a good engine 😎

[@ToyotaAristo]

@@mikecruise6991 Plenty of examples with far more than that. Hell there is the Toyota/Lexus 2AZ bore scoring issue... and those are commuter that you need to rebuil the engine too.

[@peterbest5938]

You don’t need engine rebuilds on 911’s at 80k miles - believe that and you’ll believe anything. I know a lot of 911 owners with 150k -200k on their cars with regular servicing and no engine rebuilds. Obviously parts will eventually wear out as consumables

[@lummer535i]

I have missed you and Dean. My 2008 BMW is still going strong. Still looking to acquire a 911. Ha Ha

[@daysofgrace2934]

On my 2005@153k miles BMW E87 120d Turbo steptronic I have spent £13000 on repairs not servicing it’s making 200BHP/300 lb-ft - alternator, turbo, 4 injectors, steering rack, Bilstein B12 kit, 1M wishbones & tension struts front and rear, strut top mounts, rear shock top mounts, arb ploy bushes, drop-links, radiator, ac condenser, uprated FMIC, Milltek exhaust, fixed Bluetooth module, fixed CCC computer. Drives better than new…

[@petrovkristian1047]

You are foolish you will never see a penny back on that car and yet that car is still a £2000 car what a waste of money you have thrown away for that price you can buy a Porsche run it into the ground and put all that money you would of on repairs in a pot for a new car that’s how you do it.

[@JeffChester-jq4xq]

If THAT'S not a turbo or turboS.. no way.. I'm getting this work done

[@ocavant]

and he did it on a TIP car. Doh!

[@tayloraungst8569]

987 cayman preferred over 997?

[@kylenorthrop2398]

If I buy a 997 with AWD I'm daily driving it year round.

[@markbasterfield4027]

Seriously my 997 Carrera S 05 has 214000kms is driven as a every day car never let me down and you keep good maintenance practice it never will let you down Your mechanic said that they should not be a every day driver it’s his opinion but he is full of it

[@lukehayvaz9194]

Please put a plastic bag over open bearings. Just a bit of dust or foreign matter in that bearing and you are ruined.

[@zephyr.r]

hoping this video is just to keep the market price of these 997s low ;)

[@thumbgas888]

152k miles friend's 997.1 cabrio not even a scratch in the bore and daily driven, I don't think is all the 997 or 996🤷🏽 I think is about maintenance and good gas and not sitting and keep oil changes on time not every 10k miles but maybe 5k miles, as my friend does

[@MrRoyck10]

I’m still looking at 997 to buy and yes I live in the outskirts of London, ideally a dot 2 Porsche if my resources will reach.

[@peterbest5938]

Don’t ignore the 997.1

[@davesavell7054]

the moral of the story is if you have to ask what it cost you can't afford it ! Cheers and Happy New Year !

[@topdog8678]

That’s stupid idgaf how much money u have wtf u should ask the price if there isn’t any

[@garrettenglish5555]

Crikey! Scary numbers!! Not good as a daily then, in the UK!!

[@VictorDelPrete]

Porsches are expensive cars, don’t buy one if you can’t afford it. I bought two used 997.1s, one after the other, and still have one. Zero regrets. Planning to keep it for the rest of my life. Only small issues thus far.

[@bigpapi88]

wait is this the bmw doctor guy???

[@joelandersonphoto]

Porsche not aware of rust coatings ??

[@user-gl5ld9vm7i]

What say you, BMW Doctor?

[@Mr10usdad]

I just retired and I always wanted a 911. Now I am not sure....

[@user-qw5fl9dw6k]

Have a Porsche specialist shop perform a pre-purchase inspection (PPI). In about 30 minutes they can tell you whether or not you should consider buying the car and exactly what it's going to need. Properly maintained most are very reliable but best to get an expert evaluation before you purchase.

[@BMWDoctor]

Go for it you won’t regret it 👍 trust me this is coming from a BMW guy the 911 has to be the best car I have owned out of many cars in my life

[@clearcandortv5727]

I’ll remain a dreamer.

[@elihusmails7401]

Ive owned a 996, 997, 991 and currently have a 991.2tt and two 964s. You cannot own one inexpensively. Buy the best one you can find. Lowest miles, best service records. You can get a PPI, but I’ve found most to be worthless. It will still cost money to maintain, but I have never had a better driving experience. Don’t be afraid of the tiptronic or PDK transmissions. I can no longer drive a manual transmission, so all of mine are either tiptronic or PDK. It’s worth finding an independent Porsche mechanic.

[@DeltaCharlie27]

Drive it, enjoy it and if it needs a new engine in 5-10 years figure it out then. Who knows if I'll be alive. The prices of the new ones are so stratospheric that you could literally put a new engine or two and still be cash positive so I'm not sure exactly what the point of these videos is. You pay now or pay later - this isn't exactly a cheap brand. Or just lease and pay forever...

[@jimgraves665]

ouch.. my 997.2 Targa has 79,870 miles...

[@dvmartel1]

Broad brush using the 997 to encompass every model from 2004/5 to 2013. Not helpful, not specific. clickbait, unsubscribed as too many of these vids are misleading.

[@carcrazysammy]

All that work for an automatic?

[@112hounddog]

My thoughts exactly

[@andrewthompsonuk1]

I could not imagine an automatic in a Porsche, as changing gears manually and having control of the available power is what it's all about... However, modern people prefer (or need) automatics, and it would not surprise me if automatics are going to exceed manual cars in value in the years to come.

[@JeffChester-jq4xq]

I drive them in the ohio rust belt all year. Sell at 50k miles.. see ya.. buy a new one. 🎉. No trailer queens here.. enjoy them. ❤

[@galax64]

My 2003 "Poorsche" = VW New Beetle cabriolet do have also that hideous rubberised plastic coating..

[@billstowers5588]

You show a picture of a Turbo! Vastly different engine.

[@ggbear1043]

So there we go don't buy a 997 because it's going to explode unless you take it to bits and restore it

[@poco1174]

Plus, look at his garage! He is doing all this to keep himself busy.

[@Danielgibson1981]

You clearly don’t know Deano! He’s completely OCD about his garage he runs around putting tools back when you touch them and finish using them. When Nathan was over he was on FaceTime to me cleaning his floor while they was stripping the engine from coolant and oil leaks 😂 you don’t know my buddy that well believe me… his tool layout should say it all oh he works on cars but he won’t let you work on them peacefully without making you clean up while your working. That’s why I stopped taking my car to his for repairs I make him come to me put it over a drain cover and let it all drain into the public sewer easier then having to mop and hoover his shop floor. Everyday I speak to him he’s depressed because of the engine parts everywhere 😂 he’s not stopped pestering Nathan to get back over and get the engine back together so he can clean up all his benches you really don’t know him he takes OCD to another level

[@poco1174]

Fair enough.

[@Sean-eo3gx]

If I ever buy a Porsche I’ll be able to afford beating the f*ck out of it and paying these guys to fix it.

[@stuntcar]

What a this guy you tube channel

[@tomcolt3]

BMW Doctor

[@moshazza5684]

Is that the "bmw doctor " moved on to porsche now?

[@tuli213]

or just get a bore scope in your PPI and don't buy an automatic 🤣

[@997GURU]

Well, I have to comment... No comment....because of neglect

[@danwedderburn5550]

997 Gens 1 is a ticking time bomb. Dont buy one. 997 Gen 2 is a superior car in every respect. Here in the UK there is a massive difference in condition, totally depending on where in the country the car has been used. Scotland is a no no complete rust buckets, best are south west cars. What this guy does not realise, when you come to sell it & make these huge claims of being the best. Porsche buyers being what they are want to see all of the work done by a main dealer or at least a Porsche specialist. They are all demanding buyers, going to the point of being ridiculous in my own experience. Just noticed its a tiptronic. What an awful prehistoric gearbox it is. Its an old Merc box. You must be mad to dump the money you are into this car.

[@BMWDoctor]

You are very wrong indeed this car has been sold for the last 2 months I already took a deposit on this. And to help you further it was someone from the porsche club who bought it for £32,000 as he will tell you find him another 997 in the country like this when it’s done? You can’t and won’t be able too! As for the gearbox the Mercedes gearbox is the superior gearbox and the one people want it’s actually the ZF gearbox people avoid not the Mercedes one. 997 is only a ticking time bomb in the wrong hands of people who cannot do what I do with these this isn’t my first rodeo trust me. Yeah and they said that about my BMWS yet I always manage to sell them just showing what I have done on the videos 😄 that’s what they say about bmw I can’t sell them without receipts yet I manage to sell every car I get on my channel within weeks even a E60 M5 which for most people is hard to sell in this day and age being a V10. Having channels like ours documented and a big following cars ain’t hard to sell at all. The proof is right there on videos nobody needs to pay skanks in garages labour to show anything. Also porsche guys ain’t used to people like myself having a channel like I do that’s why they demand receipts unfortunately I’m a different person to “most porsche guys” as I have a big channel and I’m very recognised so that helps me sell whatever I need to sell. I’m the only person on the Porsche club that has a channel as big as I do! And that alone speaks volumes especially when I attend the car meets having a lift something most porsche guys don’t have they work on axle stands at the front of their house 😂

[@space_114v2]

The issue with cars in the UK is the weather is always awful compounded with tons of salt is not conducive to any vehicles longevity. In a non shitty climate there are thousand of documented cases where 997.1's run forever . They just don't like to be constantly used in piss poor climates.

[@danwedderburn5550]

You may fool Porsche owners with your BS, You write like you think your MR BIG. Well i aint ever heard of you. I was here because of Nathan who seems to be a super down to earth guy. Unlike yourself MR BIG.Any lunatic who has given £32k for a gen1 100k mile tiptronic needs his head looking at quite honestly. The same money would of bought a high mileage gen2 car. Which as i maintain is simply superior in every respect. I know where my money would be. As for blaming owners for GEN1 troubles, your an absolute nutcase to make such statements.@@BMWDoctor

[@olivervaldes4223]

These 997 Turbo which is in the picture of your video does not have an IMS bearing, its a dry sump setup. The 997 Turbo also does not have bore scoring. The engine is coated with a more expensive Nikasil. Also control arms and breaks will go bad on any sports car with 80k miles. Please remove the picture of the 997 Turbo.

[@jaytucker4338]

@olivervaldes4223 The picture I am seeing is of a GT3. Perhaps they changed it from a 997 Turbo to a 997 GT3? Please remove picture of GT3. ROFL.

[@hmk911]

I‘m seeing a GT2.

[@996turbo]

If you live in Florida, this video is not for you .

[@005AGIMA]

Imagine if normal cars needed this much doing every 100,000ks. Here's some logic.....my Nissan Xtrail is at over 240,000 and has had very few problems. Meanwhile my Cayman S apparently will need all this stuff doing every 100,000? So....why is the X-Trail only $30,000 (AUD) new, and the Porsche $150,000 (AUD) new? What's wrong with this picture. Now.....of course everyone will say "but it's a performance car".....AND? That should mean it should be built as good as a car can be built, and easily handle daily or semi daily life. The fact I'm waking up to is, the ONLY thing going for these cars is....they look pretty. That's it. There is no other logical reason to spend your money on one.

[@marcopolo87948]

Not for you maybe, but IF you use it for the intention it was built ie. Trackdays, fast drives around the countryside or highspeed Autobahn (here in germany) it‘s just another wear on the whole mechanics and you need more maintenance to have it run properly - imagine guys on the Nordschleife replace their tires every weekend and the breaks every month... Lots of people tend to buy them for driving in the city traffic to show off their

[@AR2Rcayman]

Really? “Do not drive these cars every day(…)” 😂😂😂 you better spend your time on something different than making videos 🤣🤣

[@marcovanbastenfa7357]

Poor people don't buy one 🙄😒🥠

[@LC-rj6ok]

Whats with the Porsche hating, is this just click bate. Show me any new high performance or desirable classic car that doesn't cost money to maintain and look after. They all do! If you want a modern classic, then I would say Porsche is one of the best. Are you going to tell me that a 1990's or early 00's Ferrari, Lambo, Maserati, Merc AMG, Aston Martin, Audi R8, Bugatti, Viper, Ford GT etc are all hassle free ownership and that only Porsches have mechanical issues. You need to know the pit falls of all these cars and not be foolish enough to buy a dog. Then if you buy a good one, you need to keep on top of the expensive maintenance.

[@lamarrharris3539]

Porsche 997 9/11 are the bomb they are awesome car but you cannot Be a broke fool trying to Own one. My Mercedes cost me more to maintain, As as well as my Harley Davidson Baggers / in Turn to say the least I am not Broke ‘ I can own or if needed Finance any one of Porsche 911’s 😊 My Porsche 911 997 Sits on brand New BBS and Michelin sport tires with KW coil overs roughly $10,000 just for that so if I need something else done I will gladly do it remember if you’re broke you shouldn’t be messing with Porsche,’s or Mercedes or nothing else in that class you should drive a Nissan Altima and stay in your lane’ I will buy any Porsche 911 997 or 964 or 993 ‘ they all have high expensive labor and occasional engine out maintenance if you don’t have money drive the economy cars There is nothing greater than owning any one of 911’s - my 997 911 has no issues but less maintenance than my late model Mercedes’ or my American short bed Chevy pick up truck’ Remember Porsche 911 s are not for unsuccessful people‼️

[@dforreallogup5683]

Don’t listen to this guy

[@grantmckendry3323]

Didn't even watch past 1 minute.

[@LooseNut099]

This is complete nonsense.

[@NielsRoskam]

Buy a Ferrari instead... 🤦‍♂

[@josejesus6124]

Is not to drive every day!??? So why would you want one!?🤦‍♂️ Don't walk because you're knees will go bad. Drive it like you stole it....... you won't live for ever ether.

[@andresmattos7541]

WHAT TO LOOK? LOOK AT THE STUPID OVERPRICED OPTIONS AND THEN THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU BUY SUCH AN OVERPRICED CAR.

[@AMG19698]

This is a problem that has to do with far oil changes only....never do this at a porche.!

[@flyinghedgehog3833]

Bore scoring ? No noffink too geezer? De bestest 997.1 in der worrrllld.