Why you shouldn't waste your money on this beautiful Composite ARF Roban A-10 Thunderbolt RC Jet?

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#motionrc
#rcchaser
#A10

[@miksterr]

I’m guessing Henry ain’t no jet guy either 😂

[@Snoogleheimer]

LMAO!

[@tomewing4645]

It’s porpoising all over the place like the CG was off and nose heavy . Gorgeous build.

[@philipriding]

Tail heavy I think going by the way it suddenly dived on landing

[@krotchlickmeugh627]

Nope. Gyro gain was too high

[@tomewing4645]

@@krotchlickmeugh627 nope

[@tomewing4645]

@@krotchlickmeugh627 you on the crew ? Still a gorgeous build. I have never had the need for a gyro but I don’t fly anything like that.

[@tomewing4645]

@@krotchlickmeugh627 So your not on the crew and have no real knowledge of what the problem was .

[@DadsRCHangar]

Great plane you built, I am sure once you done some changes, she will be the best of the rest 👍🏻

[@deandagner]

Wow, that's what my first jet landing looked like too

[@UrTRaBBiTT]

Great save.

[@markstainton9080]

I'd have guessed Tail heavy myself plus too sensitive on the elevator. I think I would have put the gear up and put it down on the grass given what a handfull it looked to be. but we can all be wise with hindsight. Looked good though.

[@billclark5943]

Unfortunately the stress of a maiden sometimes causes us to overlook the basics but the builder and the pilot missing it is a bit odd

[@angelofmusic477]

I use to fly gas engine rc aircraft. With the entry of viable electric , I switch to EDF jet. One of the greatest advantage of the brushless motor is to turn the ducted fan at high speed and result in a Electric ducted fan systems. It will never equate to the turbine jet engine but its the closest you can buy at a fraction of a turbine jet systems Maintenance is almost free, accept you need to check the brushless motor after a certain number of flight cycle ....otherwise its almost hassle free. Moreover, the cost of lithium batt and brushless motor are coming down.

[@silviaboyjoey]

did the best you could , i personally dont do maiden flights in any wind at all, im happy to wait til its calm before i do mine just because i find it harder to trim out

[@krotchlickmeugh627]

Thats the difference of experience.

[@silviaboyjoey]

15 years of flying and i stand by it, can fly in high winds no problem but not worth losing a plane due to crap weather

[@robertrose1098]

Exactly!!! There's footage of them standing together with really strong wind !!!! And it's a bloody cross wind 😳. It's so obvious that the thing was flying nice . I even though it looked real also it sounded nice with the twin ducted fans harmonizing.. then the landing came . And any 10 year old could tell there was a cross wind buffeting it . I thought he was going to power up and try again..but no just do that!!! Sad to see the disappointment on the builders face . He's blaming himself... I can see clearly what happened 🤔

[@robertrose1098]

This RC A10 is buitiful my friend, it looks fantastic flying and sitting, I noticed that the wind was quite strong and also a cross wind , I also recently watched another A10 RC build flying and apparently the A10 .. because of the twin engines mounting points they will have the tendency to drop the nose when power is increased, also it was mentioned that the tail didn't get enough flow of air to effectively control the aircraft when under little power such as landing . The real aircraft have there own challenges because of this amazing design. This model is lovely and very impressive, it sounds like a real A10 when flying past,. The landing was bloody hard ,, I don't think any other aircraft model could hit the ground at that force and soak it up,. I believe this model was perfect and the cross wind combined with the low speed at landing led to the accident ,. No errors in the building, no pilot error, just an unfortunate moment. On the plus side . . The thing looks real as it hit hard and skidded along and the footage is amazing.. GOD bless you RC Chaser ,. Great video

[@victorrcjets7660]

riding a porpoising A-10 is not fun maybe should have done a gear up in the grass!

[@Scott-hf2qz]

Nice plane .. great job on the build . too bad about the malfunction :(

[@edwardcase]

Noseheavy....or is the horizontal stabilizer at a negative setting?

[@MrFishface5]

How can I get ahold of the guy that owens the a10 I would like to know how he did the beef up on the wing area

[@shadowmaster9780]

Launch it a ramp next!

[@Barron5362]

I'm think he was a competent pilot who got a bad deal. If that E servo died in flight, in addition to the CG being off (looked tail-heavy), he should be commended on getting the bird down. Here is where communication, along with a spotter that's knows flying, can be an immense help. If I was that spotter, and WE felt it was tail-heavy, I probably would have had the presence of mind to suggest to him "gear up", to shift the CG forward. Also, he was flying an edf, with these issues... their ain't a lot of time to figure this stuff out in 3-4 minutes. When I do a maiden, I try to have a plan in my head for what may go wrong... I know I can't think that fast on the fly.

[@simonetaormina7080]

The flight looked good, did the elevator fail on final? Or was he fighting the whole flight?

[@modellbauusa]

The left elevator went full deflection down. About a minute after takeoff. The plane was well out of trim when I took off. After I got it in trim it rolled violently when left elevator failed. Had full rudder and full aileron to keep it straight. Landed as best as I could for the condition.

[@francisconti9085]

@@modellbauusaVERY WELL DONE! That's a whole lot of force on the A-10 when a control surface is full deflection..lucky for aileron &rudder authority, not sure engines had enough thrust to fight the "airbrake" effect of fixed full deflection, extra lift from flaps might have helped soften the pitch down, but would gotten more of wing torn up on landing..if it could even maintain airspeed..lucky it didn't lawn-dart. Well, like they say about the survivability of the full scale Warthog, even in worst case scenario it still has the capability to fight through the the effects of battle damage to @ least bring pilot back to friendlier territory either to bail or try a similar landing.. Looks like will be able to fly again.. with better servos hopefully! The A-10 is a good "stick & rudder" planform, a fighter jet woulda just spiraled to dirt-nap...great job saving it!

[@markdavis7397]

@@modellbauusa Ah that explains it. Clearly the plane was not healthy on that final.

[@williewideback]

Guess I'll stick to the foam version's

[@davelangenfeld5062]

So I shouldn't buy it because the CG wasn't correct?? Looked nose heavy from the moment it took off. Hell of a nice build, just needed some more setup done is all, I'm guessing the re enforcment you did may have added extra weight which changed the CG of the plane. Beautiful build though man. Fix it and get it back up!!

[@modellbauusa]

The left elevator went full deflection down. About a minute after takeoff. The plane was well out of trim when I took off. After I got it in trim it rolled violently when left elevator failed. Had full rudder and full aileron to keep it straight. Landed as best as I could for the condition.

[@XxmillerniaxX]

@@modellbauusa What happened to the elevator, servo? Linkage?

[@modellbauusa]

@@XxmillerniaxX the Interconnect connecting both elevators loosened up. I didn’t build plane I was called to only test flying.

[@brianroberts5062]

@@modellbauusa Yes that would be hard. You needed more speed on the landing to stop its bellyflopping and ballooning with crossed controls. Easy to comment in hindsight. You did good under the circumstances. I hate maidens and I hate flying other peoples planes every more.

[@krotchlickmeugh627]

@@brianroberts5062 thats a stupid thing to say after the pilot told you the failures. Sure let me just throttle up with a control surface deflected at full lock

[@TheJoska1]

Just looking at his right hand fingers gives me a good idea about his RC skills, LOL.

[@haroldmclean3755]

Lol😀👍

[@Jazzman-bj9fq]

From messin' around with big prop planes no doubt.

[@InternetGoldMiner]

Oh bs

[@edfhobbies556]

That is text book tail heavy or too much throw in elevator, my FF F-100 did the same thing (too much throw) and my 1/6 F-18 did text book same thing also because throws were too high on both. It would fly straight until elevator input ... NO DOUBT too much throws or tail heavy. The other indicator of to much throw is when it got slower the pitching up and down increased vs the tail dropping on landing and it float back up. This is a plus for the model maker, that landing was rough but it looks like you guys know how to get it back together

[@pilot74sparki]

Go to 3:55 - elevator linkage separated - so only one side operational and other fixed in nose down position! - this is why the plane looks so out of trim and nose heavy. coupled with high winds and a constant roll tendency I think they did well to get it on the ground with any sort of control. Actually watch all the video before commenting how bad the pilot was or incompetent the CG setup. Nice plane though.

[@jeffadams8406]

I think you made out alright. Could have been alot worse ! On the upside... That wing is stout !

[@flymachine]

What happens is...I didn't realize Roban made fixed wing?

[@scable-eq7bp]

Beautiful Aircraft, seemed the CG was off, or way out of trim, or an elevator malfunction, there must be jinx on edf and turbine jets at Markam Park, lot's of crash videos on KZbin coming from this location.....

[@krotchlickmeugh627]

You should not assume that frequency has anything to do with superstitions. There are alot of jets that fly there.

[@hughwiedman9711]

Kudos to him for even trying to build that out, the Roban A-10 has been a problem for almost everyone who unfortunately wasted money on it. And if Henry has a hard time flying it, the rest of us don't have a prayer. Do what I did, get the 60" wingspan Freewing twin 80/90mm A-10, it flies and lands like a pussycat. Not quite as large, but so much better! Redid mine in the Arctic Thunder version, kzbin.info/www/bejne/imjTlKqll6d3iKM

[@DennisEnglishREHS]

That was painful 😖. Freewing A-10 twin 80mm is the way to go if you want some uneventful landings. Anyways, rebuild sell it and stick to the gas planes which are more fun to fly!

[@francisconti9085]

I love mine, also my Eflite 64mm A-10😁👍

[@dfourmed]

FW 80mm is incredible, don't have one, just flown a buddy's. FW 64mm looks good, needs power upgrade. My eflite 64 is a wonderful bird!

[@thomasmullins2206]

Answered my question as to FREEWING?

[@francisconti9085]

@@thomasmullins2206 Ya Freewing takes their products & support very seriously, much like Horizion Hobby. I'm looking @ the Freewing 90MM F-22 Raptor..big floaty thing w/power&low speed control..fast & slow to crazy capable!😁👍

[@dfourmed]

@Thomas Mullins Freewing and Flightline awesome, but ask some questions first, a few of their planes need upgrades but not many. There's a Motion RC group on FB you should check out. Great group!

[@williamfielding8302]

That was Pilot error not bad design. I've never flown jet's or electric ducted fans but I have flown larger glow fuel planes and that was a pilot induced very hard landing.

[@robertrose1098]

I agree,

[@RCINFORMER]

Where the lipos moving?

[@haroldmclean3755]

Thats what i reckon , batteries shift , He reinforced everything except the Battery Tray , Bay and Straps , lol😀👍

[@Tooommmek]

I think that this jet was , combination of nose heavy and very week elevators servos.

[@enricodigenova8112]

Lol good builder 😂😂😂

[@stealhty1]

But, why do we need landing gear anyway

[@ToyManFlyer1100]

*_...And...She went out and down without a fight!!!....No BRRRRRRR in that bird....!!!!😳😳😳🥴🥴🥴😖😖😖😂😂😂😂!!!_*

[@mikew3232]

Some more time on the club trainer is needed.

[@robertpapps3618]

Unfortunate after all the work!

[@wanderinglatinos4584]

Guys it was to windy for the main flight.

[@TheJoska1]

Must be the easiest model to set up and fly, it's a trainer! Next time give it to more experienced pilot to check it and test fly it, LOL.

[@flycatchful]

I was also going to point that out.

[@richardjohns3528]

Change the pilot, would be my suggestion and check all throws on the servos, time spent on the ground beats countless hours on repairs.

[@davidprothero4139]

ha!- more gobbing off at the end as well... they really cant help it can they?

[@ChainsawFPV]

Nothing like a super sexy, over priced wall ornament.

[@philipriding]

Just like these £21 babies kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWOXq2pveq5qiqs

[@fpvrcstuff]

It looked like the pilot came in too high and to hot ,and the plane looked twitchy in pitch. If the rates on the elevator was turned down and try to set up the landing correctly and you will be golden. Good luck with the rebuild!

[@OzFPVflyer]

Greased it on. lol

[@TheSblackwater]

SO don't buy this A10 because a Futaba servo failed?

[@briankmavpro5246]

No dont buy it because it requires you to rebuild it and add reinforcement all over and its not a quality model. He is right when he said it should have dual elevator servos but now he has to rebuild it.

[@edfhobbies556]

​@@briankmavpro5246 That would be around 75% of arfs that need something done outside of what's in the manual.

[@Snoogleheimer]

lol, dayum.

[@CNSFX]

Yikes!😳

[@robertheuer7670]

wasn't that bad of a landing definitely coulda been alot worse

[@cheythompson740]

This seems like a CG issue

[@SOBaseball]

Hard to say. Looked like pilot/builder errors.

[@Reis4four]

Tail heavy plane with no expo and pilot error.

[@gregoryh4601]

Sir nice built A10 don’t use Chop glass, try Carbon /Kevlar Fiber instead. Also get a New Test Pilot. And a lot of runway test and CG. So sad to she get destroyed by the Hard Landing

[@sophiejaysstuff4026]

Chaser RC, Chased her all the way to the ground......

[@rcchaser]

LMAO

[@davidstorm8879]

to fast to steep and overcorrection on the sticks advice don't let him fly any more of your planes

[@haroldmclean3755]

She went Down 🛩 over Reinforcement Air Force Base , She was real Heavy but some Guys like that in a Lady 🤡

[@buddwizr]

Builder error? This airframe is unique and taught to balance at this scale. Hate to see this and no fault to the skilled pilot. Nuff said.

[@shadowmaster9780]

😁😁😁😁😅😅😅😅

[@reckemroysrc3764]

I AM. RC CRASHER

[@TheFrenchPug]

Npt a good landing at all but still. Those retracts should have just bounced it. I guess you should have reinforced your landing gear.

[@flymachine]

Your 'friend' is the reason that thing got binned I don't care what he tells you - I know it's hard to accept, I mean he's wearing a two tone orange shirt at the club, he must be good but he lost it, I am not saying it wasn't a handful but the problems only really became evident on approach at low speed - he lost it.

[@pauld5530]

The title is misleading - it’s not a Composite ARF plane. An insult to them.

[@rodpalm6398]

Looked to be nose heavy. He was fighting it the entire time.

[@ZZ430T56]

Just looked like a bad landing to me. Improperly balanced. Elevator failed from the crash.

[@kennethbellotte8678]

I am ...rc waster

[@chipskylark8869]

Because I will crash it...

[@GaryFlymore]

BAD PILOT! THATS WHAT HAPPENED!

[@interestingforaminute9663]

Don’t spend the money if you don’t know WTF you are doing. Set up and pre flight checks… geez

[@eagle7757]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 KJV, Jesus Christ is the only way......

[@davidstorm8879]

he smashed it not saved it

[@michaellussoro2295]

Tail heavy as a mother flipper! All these people sayin g nose heavy have no clue what they are taking about