Why Your Fem Voice Sounds Off, and How to Fix It!

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TransVoiceLessons

TransVoiceLessons

Күн бұрын

Hey everyone! Clover's here to talk about Vocal Sharpness!
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► Overview of Voice Feminization : • The Big Picture of Voi...
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warmly,
TVL
00:00 Intro
00:49 Simple Phonemes
03:26 Vowel Transitions
05:40 Something to Keep in Mind
07:25 Divorce From T
07:50 'R' Sounds
11:33 Words and Fuller Phrases
13:56 Heat From Fire
15:53 Common Mistakes
24:13 Outro

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@VeviserB
@VeviserB 2 ай бұрын
Chapter marker: "Divorce From T" Transfems: "Mood."
@LiterallyAna
@LiterallyAna 2 ай бұрын
Holy, I hadn't heard Clover's voice in years! You sound so different! I'm very happy for you c:
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
awwww ty Ana!!! Miss you, and so nice to hear from you 🖤🖤🖤
@LiterallyAna
@LiterallyAna 2 ай бұрын
@@ffionngrigsby CLOVEEEEER !!!!
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
@@LiterallyAnaANAAAAAAAAAA!!
@Caves_of_Altamira
@Caves_of_Altamira 2 ай бұрын
Honey wake up, new Clover video about sharpness just dropped :o
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
real?! hi miraaaaa 🖤
@Caves_of_Altamira
@Caves_of_Altamira 2 ай бұрын
@@ffionngrigsby Hi dwahlingggg
@SuperMaxymoo
@SuperMaxymoo 2 ай бұрын
1:38 reminds me of playing with a high pass filter on an 808 snare
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
t t t t t t t t
@hatgirlgorillatag
@hatgirlgorillatag Ай бұрын
Yeah, like in the start of Stolen Dance by Milky Chance!
@prestigeflightyoutube
@prestigeflightyoutube Ай бұрын
Yes 😂
@titush.3195
@titush.3195 2 ай бұрын
At first I thought the thumbnail is calling me stupid lmao
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
shobfikvfh sorry! lmao
@ChimeraZone
@ChimeraZone 2 ай бұрын
It's not calling you stupid, it's gatekeeping the sound of your voice. The content of the video might be different and less invalidating, but I'm looking at this title from a genderfluid perspective. The way you sound doesn't make you any more or less of anything. That's why I'm unsubscribing. The social constructions and specific expectations of how a femvoice is supposed to sound should go without invalidating other frameworks. Is it literally just clickbait? yes. To me that mindless corporate minded "you need us" bs is disingenuous and sad. Anyhow, this channel isn't for me. I've grown into my genderfluidity to the point where I'm satisfied with myself regardless of how anyone thinks I sound. Basically, I don't need this, and I have no Idea why I subscribed. No, I'm not watching the video. Name your shit better if you want to help more than trans women. Idc it's up to you. It's not like anyone cares about what I just said anyway XD Cya
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
@@ChimeraZone omg my very own discourse ty. i am going to frame it
@obsidianjane4413
@obsidianjane4413 2 ай бұрын
@@ChimeraZone You wrote this rant so you obviously are insecure AF. The specific topic of this video is for "Fem Voice", which is defined by the social binary categorization whether you like it or not. It was a joke. Lighten up.
@aluni4045
@aluni4045 Ай бұрын
​@@ChimeraZone if you're not looking to change your voice in any way or form that's perfectly fine, doesn't make you or any trans person more or less valid, this channel is simply not for you since that is not one of your transition goals clearly
@aumetra
@aumetra 2 ай бұрын
I feel like I've been plateauing for a few months but this really helped me find a new way to work on my voice!! Thanks Clover! Nice new editing style with the swirl backgrounds too ❤
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Yay!! I'm so glad to hear it 🖤. Our editor Zoe is killing it with the editing! She's magical or something
@Nickykitty92
@Nickykitty92 2 ай бұрын
I've always struggled with "r" sounds, so the tips about them is helpful for me to experiment with to further refine everything. 🥰
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
They're one of the most common phonemes for people to struggle with! I'm so glad it's helpful 🖤
@KyaGrey-tc5ly
@KyaGrey-tc5ly 2 ай бұрын
Thanks so much Clover. I had been plateauing for a while now and this was just what I needed. I really appreciate everything you, Z, and Viv have been doing.
@Velajny
@Velajny 2 ай бұрын
This video is so brilliant. It takes into mind so many things like dialect or pitch sliding which can cause mistakes for begginers. Thank you Clover!
@cheryljolly
@cheryljolly 2 ай бұрын
Great video Clover. It's been awhile since I've seen a TVL video, but this reminds me that even if you have a voice you're fairly happy with you can still practice and refine it.
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Thanks! I hope you have a lot of fun exploring with sharpness 😊
@nataliejennings2620
@nataliejennings2620 2 ай бұрын
This video is really insightful and groundbreaking!!! 🔥 This sharpness quality is such a useful addition to my understanding of voice! ⚔ I found that following along with the exercises was really effective at making the quality more apparent and distinct for me. I will have to continue integrating awareness of this quality into my voice practice! You did such a great job on this video Clover! 😊💜
@erin2673
@erin2673 2 ай бұрын
So wonderful seeing these videos. I should really get more lessons from Clover soon....
@teac117
@teac117 2 ай бұрын
That was pretty cool, just listening the two diffs in the background while working.
@lalunafate
@lalunafate 2 ай бұрын
This was some great information and definitely something I think I've been lacking. Thank you! You are also looking and sounding great!
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
That's so sweet, thank you!! I really hope it helps 🖤🖤🖤
@balancemaster55
@balancemaster55 2 ай бұрын
Ooh I love the more recent videos!
@tetralloyd8348
@tetralloyd8348 2 ай бұрын
Clover! Your hair looks amazing!!!
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
oh my gosh ty, you're so sweet 😭
@amyheartsyou
@amyheartsyou 2 ай бұрын
Yes. So glad you made this.
@user-qk2eb2yf3l
@user-qk2eb2yf3l 2 ай бұрын
I am glad you work with Zheanna Clover, ❤ and regards from Petra Brown🏳️‍⚧️🐯
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Petra! 🖤
@ReizzaDSnow
@ReizzaDSnow 2 ай бұрын
Ohh I can't wait saving to watch later💙💙🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
@chipwiseman2
@chipwiseman2 2 ай бұрын
I weirdly kind of already knew this from studying Chinese! In Mandarin, a lot of phonemes rely on this "sharpness" to sound different. For example, 事 and 喜 (shi and xi) both use the "sh" phoneme but the former is dull and the latter is sharp.
@dimanyak373
@dimanyak373 2 ай бұрын
they're not really the same phoneme, they're two separate ones, /ʃ/ and /ɕ/ if I remember correctly that's why this "sharpness" is important there, because it allows to differentiate between separate phonemes
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Yes!! I love that you noticed this, and I probably ought to have mentioned it in the video. People who are multilingual are usually better at modulating sharpness initially because they have relevant experience like this, and can even recognize categorical (phonemic) difference between different degrees of sharpness! Like @dimanyak373 points out, it's crucial to remember that sharpness is relative to the phonemic category. So while I may have demonstrated a singular axis of sharpness for an English phonetic schema, I could very much have transgressed a phonemic boundary for other phonetic schemata.
@chipwiseman2
@chipwiseman2 2 ай бұрын
@@ffionngrigsby Off-topic but I love your name! Love to see a bit of Welsh in the wild
@theacroway2056
@theacroway2056 26 күн бұрын
actually helped
@spiceywolf
@spiceywolf 2 ай бұрын
OMG I LOVE CLOVERS VOICE!!! 😍
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
🖤🖤🖤 Ty :)
@gillianomotoso328
@gillianomotoso328 2 ай бұрын
Hi Clover! Wow, it’s been awhile! Love your hair!!
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Hi Gillian, tysm!! I hope your singing has been going well! Miss you! 🖤🖤🖤
@Zir0h_Music
@Zir0h_Music 2 ай бұрын
This is so amazingly helpful. Thank you so much 💜💯
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Aw yay, I'm so glad!! 🖤
@Vi_Renders
@Vi_Renders 2 ай бұрын
Oh my god Clover your voice is amazing!!!😢😢
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Awww ty Vi, that's so sweet! 😭
@HeatherHeartling
@HeatherHeartling 2 ай бұрын
This video is my precious! 😅 This is exactly what i needed. Thank You
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
I'm so glad to hear that!!! I hope you have so much fun exploring sharpness! 🖤
@HeatherHeartling
@HeatherHeartling 2 ай бұрын
@@ffionngrigsby I'm definitely enjoying it also it's abit challenging
@FISCAL277
@FISCAL277 Ай бұрын
Not sure if I'm just believing what I wanna believe, but I feel like my voice already sounds better after practicing this for 10-15min.
@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115
@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 2 ай бұрын
Taking notes. Thank you!
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Noooo thank YOU! I hope you have so much fun with it 😊
@Bugqueenlily
@Bugqueenlily 2 ай бұрын
*Me trying to follow* *I fall asleep because Clover's voice is very sweet*
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
😭 omg that's so sweet, ty
@bucephalus00
@bucephalus00 Ай бұрын
It just happened to me too. But it is late tho
@Teflora
@Teflora Ай бұрын
Ok now, it's your turn: *starts beatboxing*
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby Ай бұрын
ijbol thank you
@Freak80MC
@Freak80MC Ай бұрын
I think this puts to words something I had already discovered during my own vocal explorations, but since I didn't have a word for it, I kept randomly engaging it and disengaging it without knowing and then wondering why sometimes my voice sounded different and other times it didn't. I'm definitely gonna experiment around with this some more later! An issue I still have is that my fem voice always sounds off to me, even at the best of times, like it's never truly passing, but I think it's an issue with self perception. I know I once stumbled into a trans voice reddit post where a trans guy thought he still sounded feminine when he very much didn't lol Makes me wonder if that's how I sound to others, fully passing even when I dont hear it myself. Also I still can't quite go full time with my voice because once I've been talking for about half an hour/hour, my throat starts to hurt. I have no idea why because it never feels like Im straining anything, I keep trying false fold exercises because I've heard they can cause pain and I can't quite figure it out.
@ShoreSlayer
@ShoreSlayer 26 күн бұрын
I don't ever comment but I loved the black cauldron reference. The "Gurgi will get the apple" line always seems to come to my mind way more often than it should.
@CurrentlyAnonymous
@CurrentlyAnonymous 2 ай бұрын
GURGI!!!! (Dog fellow from the Black Cauldron - I have read the 5 book series a couple times back in childhood, what a reference!)
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
I love Gurgi!!! I actually didn't know there was a book series. Do you think it's worth reading?
@the_almightyone
@the_almightyone 2 ай бұрын
It's so amazing and strange to me the huge range of sounds the human mouth can make
@joh.9531
@joh.9531 2 ай бұрын
Clover, so loving to see you and your new vid! And a great formulation, the sharpness - thanks!
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Yay, thank you! 😊
@jobekka
@jobekka Ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! How similar is this to what some people call embouchure?
@MajSmerkol
@MajSmerkol Ай бұрын
Is this like doing a high pass filter using mouth shape?
@jemsophia
@jemsophia 2 ай бұрын
ahhhh this video was amazing and gave me language to describe things i've tended to find make me feel more femme. also i was noticing how westeast your embouchure is - has that been mentioned in other videos? i feel like it helps me get a higher resonance too?
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
I tend to be pretty spread with my lip position regardless of whether I'm using a more dull or more sharp quality. If you watch more closely, you might notice a more consistent change in my mouth, which is protrusion or retraction of the lips, related to duller or sharper qualities respectively. That said, you can create the bulk of these changes without shifting the position of your lips at all!
@leifer3176
@leifer3176 Ай бұрын
Excuse me, does a deviated septum have an affect on my voice training, should I be accounting for and adjusting my technique to accommodate?
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby Ай бұрын
It may or may not. If you notice significant issues with hyper-/hypo-nasality, it may be worth practicing to compensate for or seeking treatment!
@obsidianjane4413
@obsidianjane4413 2 ай бұрын
"U're not sharp enough." I get that a lot. ;+D
@sloweia
@sloweia 2 ай бұрын
My russian accent does sound even more sharp now👍
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Niiiice 😎
@RodjiCloudwell
@RodjiCloudwell 2 ай бұрын
Haha! Юур рашн из грэйт!
@palemoonsovereign4142
@palemoonsovereign4142 2 ай бұрын
May I ask how this is different from resonance?
@TransVoiceLessons
@TransVoiceLessons 2 ай бұрын
Different orientation towards resonance. Resonance is a broad range of phenomena which can be explored from many angles and contexts. :)
@palemoonsovereign4142
@palemoonsovereign4142 2 ай бұрын
@@TransVoiceLessons i see, thank you!
@xabieraldeabehal3425
@xabieraldeabehal3425 2 ай бұрын
What if you speak a language where sharp and dull consonants are differenciated and the sharpness of a phoneme can change the meaning of what you're trying to say? Not my case, just curiosity
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Sharpness is relative to the phonemic category! Generally, you shouldn't go so sharp or so dull that it changes the word you're saying. I'm also not sure if sharpness is universally gendered? I've had students tell me it feels very relevant in their other languages/dialects though.
@xabieraldeabehal3425
@xabieraldeabehal3425 Ай бұрын
@@ffionngrigsby Oh, thanks for the feedback. I have a hyperfocus on phonetics and learning about acoustics and voice skills in general is incredibly interesting to me and I had no idea of what sharpness is. Great explanation and channel in general.
@Pikle.
@Pikle. Ай бұрын
how do I learn to stop mistrusting my own ability to hear the changes I make in my voice
@metatechnologist
@metatechnologist 2 ай бұрын
Question, there is specific voice I wish to sound like. Would I work on achieving a feminine voice first and then adjust to the voice I want to arrive at? Is that even possible?
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
You could do it that way! It's a pretty common approach. You're not limited to one path or the other. You can spend some of your practice time working toward one quality and some of your practice time working toward another.
@nutmegriot209
@nutmegriot209 2 ай бұрын
This is helpful. I’m always told by my trans male friend that I need to pronunciate my words because he has bad hearing. i thought it was just me being a mumbler & didn’t realize the connection to sounding less masculine/more feminine P.s. can the most important parts be made into shorts for us severe adhd people? 😅
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Oooo, I dunno, I'll ask the team if that's something we can do! It might be a little difficult to identify super specific moments because the explanation scaffolds.
@annakissed3226
@annakissed3226 2 ай бұрын
Oooh thanks for that. If it could make me less of a mumbler that would be a huge help.
@ElegantPigments
@ElegantPigments 2 ай бұрын
I’ve noticed they way you speak you do t open your mouth as much as I do when normally speaking so does that affect the feminine quality of your voice like am I opening my mouth to wide? Idk if that made sense?
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Mouth width and height shouldn't affect the gendered accent/pronunciation of your speech much, but people will often find that they position their lips a little differently when targeting these differences in their voice quality. It has more to do with movement of the tongue than anything else, mechanically!
@ElegantPigments
@ElegantPigments Ай бұрын
@@ffionngrigsby OK thanks for the reply love y’all’s videos they are part of my morning routine 😊
@splytrz
@splytrz 2 ай бұрын
this just feels like moving the voice to my teeth. is this a good way to think about this?
@vocal-team
@vocal-team 2 ай бұрын
yes, especially for those "T"s, which get shifted from alveolar to dental plosives during feminization.
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
That can be a really helpful! Try to couple that bodily sensation with the auditory sensation and make sure you're not neglecting giving attention to either in your practice :)
@vivianriver6450
@vivianriver6450 2 ай бұрын
It's been a while since I've followed your work. How is sharpness different from brightness?
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Hi Viv!!! It depends on the range of sensory experience you apply the label 'brightness' to. We've opted for this term because it's a very common perceptual description for students when we ask them to describe/label this change. Brightness is usually a less specific range of quality. People often identify changes in vocal size, weight, pitch, pronunciation, breathiness, and more as contributing to changes in brightness. That said, it really depends on your own experience! If brightness fits this change in sound super distinctly for you, there's nothing wrong with naming it as such!
@vivianriver6450
@vivianriver6450 2 ай бұрын
@@ffionngrigsby So, you're saying "sharpness" instead of "brightness"? They mean the same thing?
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
@@vivianriver6450 I'm identifying the range of quality demonstrated in the video as sharpness. You can call it whatever else you'd like to
@TakeWalker
@TakeWalker 2 ай бұрын
the editor doesn't know who Sean Connery is? now my voice sounds weird *and* I feel old! :')
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Maybe I should start saying "original James Bond" 😭 it's such a useful target!
@annakissed3226
@annakissed3226 2 ай бұрын
​@@ffionngrigsbytry High lander, Hunt for red October, Indy's Dad in Raiders, the Rock, League of Extraordinary Adventurers
@Rising_Pho3nix_23
@Rising_Pho3nix_23 2 ай бұрын
Glad I had the chance to watch this...err I mean...watts this
@marupan_desu
@marupan_desu 2 ай бұрын
i'm starting to believe i should just start using my "fem voice" like everyday all the time and it'll take shape eventually, but i'm not sure if that's the correct thing to do because i might solidify bad practices and end up ruining my voice. help D:
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
That's an approach that works really well for a lot of people! Especially if they struggle to practice otherwise. It is possible that you'd reinforce some less-than-perfect behaviors, but it's better to think of those as stepping stones to the ultimate voice quality you want rather than obstacles. If it's safe for you to do, go for it!
@julietkenzie
@julietkenzie 2 ай бұрын
this is the approach i did, and i think it worked well for me!
@marupan_desu
@marupan_desu 2 ай бұрын
wait this truly is something people do? damn i should start then lol thanks
@stirpiano
@stirpiano 17 күн бұрын
this video is certified Zuzzy With The Sauce
@decorativewingdings
@decorativewingdings 2 ай бұрын
I'm not sure if my knowledge in phonetics/phonotactics has helped or hindered me in understanding this lesson
@sebin973
@sebin973 2 ай бұрын
IM EARLY YASSS
@user-qk2eb2yf3l
@user-qk2eb2yf3l 2 ай бұрын
I can join it as Com To Tea Clover, Tea Time Treats, Petra
@Xcorgi
@Xcorgi 14 күн бұрын
You’re doing a great Kermit The Frog 🐸 at some parts of the video.
@user-lm1np7hm5k
@user-lm1np7hm5k 2 ай бұрын
Darn, the sharpness demos sound like resonance to me :( I wonder what I'm missing
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
They are an expression of resonance! Resonance is a physical behavior that impacts several recognizable variables of a voice's quality, including sharpness.
@user-lm1np7hm5k
@user-lm1np7hm5k 2 ай бұрын
@@ffionngrigsby ty!
@pusheencat7722
@pusheencat7722 2 ай бұрын
please forgive my stupidity, but to make sure I am understanding correctly. To sound more feminine, with every letter, vowel and consonant, we want our tongue closer to the teeth, and then to sound more masculine, the other way around? I understand the T just fine, but I will admit, I got a tad lost when we went to other letters.
@lunaeraruth826
@lunaeraruth826 2 ай бұрын
I might be completely wrong about this, but as I understand it’s more about shifting the balance to where it fits your voice goal. You can get too sharp even for a female voice. While generally yes if I understand correctly female voices are on average sharper you don’t want to overdo it either so it can get so sharp that it starts sounding harsh rather than more feminine. You might be already too sharp to begin with. It’s more about playing with the quality, experimenting with it and find what balance of it works best for your goal, I think. Keep in mind I am just another fellow student and take my interpretation with a heavy grain of salt.
@pusheencat7722
@pusheencat7722 2 ай бұрын
@@lunaeraruth826 Thank you
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
@@lunaeraruth826 good direction!
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
You don't necessarily need to think of it as your tongue moving closer to your teeth, but that can be a helpful idea for a lot of people. Just remember it's more important to find the sound, THEN see what it feels like to make the sound, not the other way around!
@pusheencat7722
@pusheencat7722 2 ай бұрын
@@ffionngrigsby good point. The idea of the tongue being near the teeth and then moving back was helpful though.
@user-ev9ct8ux7b
@user-ev9ct8ux7b 22 күн бұрын
why she have with years and months more masculine chin and jaw?
@mikeciul8599
@mikeciul8599 2 ай бұрын
When a singer pronounces words like "good" as "guid" - is that because of extreme sharpness? I think it's described as the "indie girl" or "cursive" style.
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Nope! That's more like turning monophthongs into diphthongs rather than sharpness. I like how you described the difference with different spellings haha. They seem pretty spot-on for the style
@user-qk2eb2yf3l
@user-qk2eb2yf3l 2 ай бұрын
I am getting the titters Clover, from Petra ❤
@theacroway2056
@theacroway2056 26 күн бұрын
sounds like R3
@cadon_slayer4285
@cadon_slayer4285 Ай бұрын
Why is clover mogging me😰
@mathewmoore2149
@mathewmoore2149 2 ай бұрын
Oh shit, my fem voice sounds off!
@Demosthenes7891
@Demosthenes7891 2 ай бұрын
UMMM BLACK CAULDRON MENTION???
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Such a blast from the past huh??
@TgPepper
@TgPepper 2 ай бұрын
Trout
@annakissed3226
@annakissed3226 2 ай бұрын
I don't have a femvoice, what I have is an argument about assimilation vs being true to ones history. And I know the above is bullshit. And I think you may have a way to see around this bullswhip in my head that's blocking me moving forward. Their was this guy from South Africa whose ideas, I feel are very important. He was sung about by Peter Gabriel and he was called Steven Biko. He explained that if One wanted to argue an idea with the government then one needs to look like them for them to accept you. But on the other I have Louis Armstrong singing about being black & blue, & about how "I'm white inside but that don't help my case, Cause I can't hide what's in my face" How do I defeat that paradox? Because I have done nothing about my voice since I was transitioning back in the eighties. And back then what I did was crap!
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Hm... It's a bit of a hefty discussion for a KZbin comment, so I apologize for not going super in-depth here. The very first thing I'd say is that there is no moral obligation to voice train. It has to be something you want for you. Either directly because you want or need a particular quality of voice, or indirectly because you want or need to be able to navigate social reality in ways afforded by using a particular quality of voice. Second, I'd highlight that our social reality is ultimately grounded in people's perception of us. There probably was not a way for Louis Armstrong to feasibly change the way the people around him perceived him racially. For trans people, many of us have the option to change enough qualities of ourselves that we may become perceived as belonging to another sex category, different from before, to the people around us (and ourselves, even). Whether you want to pursue that as a goal or not, doing so is your prerogative and nobody else's. You are not obligated to suffer assimilation, nor are you obligated to suffer the refusal to assimilate. As trans people, we all make choices about the struggles we take on. Being true to your history can be done without disrespecting your present, future, and nature as a constantly changing and dynamic thing. Do what you feel is right.
@Sauce787
@Sauce787 2 ай бұрын
You could make the assimilation argument about literally every aspect of transitioning, people do what makes them comfortable. Sometimes the reason their voice makes them uncomfortable is because they don't like how it sounds to them, sometimes they don't like the effect that it has on the way they get perceived societally speaking. But either way it's done for their own self-interest. Not training your voice isn't going to somehow change society, it's just a personal choice.
@annakissed3226
@annakissed3226 2 ай бұрын
​@@ffionngrigsbySorry I wrote my reply as a result of a. waking up in the middle of the night from deep sleep and then watching your video b. I have been fighting this issue in my head for forty years. I have done work on my voice before. But the last time I had a go at it was back with a speech therapist in the early nineties with audio cassettes. c. Your colleague actually cracked the nut of it, in another video, I just trying to get my hide bound addled brain to get past this. d. When I have met people looking to transition I have always said to change their voice because whilist it can take ages to achieve, just like electrolysis the results are worth it. I wish we had laser/led back when I first got electrolysis, we didn't even have blended diathermy e. Because I've been a Gay rights activist since before the Straights got control & excluded Bisexuality , Trans & Fetish back in the mid eighties with their Lesbian & Gay ××××, I was part of the team that moved World Pride to LGBT back in the mid nineties when Transgender meant challenging 'traditional' gender assumptions. So L, B, T, Fetish & Disability Rights politics have been in my blood for 40 plus years. f. Because the brightest & finest minds on this stuff is you lot. Besides I only of average intelligence by transexual standards I scored about 135 in my written and 145 in my oral. So nothing special by transexual standards. g. If you want I can take this over to patreon, where I have been s supported for about 4 years. My deepest apologies I I just wasn't thinking clearly about it in the middle of the night. Thanks to anyone answering my question. I really need to get this stupid bad code out of my head. So thanks for helping. And because this is unsafe space I can't give my real name, and please don't say it if you do know my real name. But if you were involved in the set up for things like Press For Change you'll know who I am. Simarily anyone from TransVox and TG Youth. I was part of the team that kept the community support going when Press for Change forked the activist community. I was part of a bunch of other initiatives like Transexual Menace and other activist groups like Lesbian Avengers, OutRage and DAN. And I ran a bunch of BiCons whilst being a Dyke. Thanks for all the help.
@annakissed3226
@annakissed3226 2 ай бұрын
​@@Sauce787I don't know, the personal is political and if you look at my other reply, I have changed the world already. What I have seen countless times is that our leaders who have presented a more acceptable voice have been more effective in their leadership. I know that all of us are some of the toughest humans in existance, the stuff we have survived would have killed almost all humans, and it kills plenty of us! Our average lifespan is in the midish twenties.
@annakissed3226
@annakissed3226 2 ай бұрын
But I am sorry that I am derailing a video about a very important subject. Sorry for being a Batty old hag.
@thecognitivedissonant3606
@thecognitivedissonant3606 Күн бұрын
Sounds inauthentic, gives me an uncomfortable vibe as opposed to your lower natural speaking voice. Resonance has to do with truth and reality to me. Idk, just my experience
@Robinripley
@Robinripley 2 ай бұрын
So just say everything higher pitch? Kind of already knew that. Just frustrated, never sure how these lessons actually apply to voice training. Im sure im missing something in the sauce.
@Gwyn23
@Gwyn23 2 ай бұрын
It’s pitch modifying exercise-independent of the changes you would make with your larynx.
@vocal-team
@vocal-team 2 ай бұрын
sharpness is not fundamentally about a change in pitch - it is a shift in articulation and pronunciation.
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
Adding onto what Mira said, it's discrete from pitch! As for how you can use videos like this in your voice training, they're good for practicing listening to (and mimicking) specific changes in sound. Once you've got an idea of how the sound quality can change, spend time applying those differences in your own speech. More videos to come that will elaborate on these ideas!
@anthonynocito9447
@anthonynocito9447 2 ай бұрын
The separation of the articulation from pitch is part of the key! Many people mistake the timbre of the voice with the pitch of the voice, in fact, in many of these exercises Clover maintains a *relatively* constant pitch while shifting the articulation! But to answer your question, the practical application is building up the familiarity of the motions (and muscle memory) that create these sharper articulations, then using your newfound sounds applied to your daily speech, of course once you’ve explored sufficiently and found a sound you like! Hope this helps your understanding
@annakissed3226
@annakissed3226 2 ай бұрын
It's not about higher pitch. We learn to speak differently from men, it's just because you had to pretend to be a man to stay alive we didn't get to practice our natural voices with our mothers, sisters, aunts and the rest of the girl community around us as we grew up. We had to learn to fake who we really were.
@linguist1005
@linguist1005 2 ай бұрын
Forgive me, but I can't stand Clover.
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 2 ай бұрын
erm... what the sigma
@theacroway2056
@theacroway2056 26 күн бұрын
what in the tower of heck
@cabbage2329
@cabbage2329 20 күн бұрын
​@@ffionngrigsbyNOOOOO, THE BRAINROT GOT TO YOU TOO?? HOW COULD THIS WORLD BE SO CRUEL????? /j
@ffionngrigsby
@ffionngrigsby 20 күн бұрын
@@cabbage2329 i've gyat nowhere left to turn...
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