Why Your MED SCHOOL Doesn't Matter

[@ERdoctorMike]

Not worth it. Those schools generally produce physicians interested in research. All medical school produce great doctors. The way you became a great doc is through experience, not medical school.

[@DrCellini]

Yessir

[@MasterNinja786]

Yea and this rule applies to anything another example of this is a school because a school doesn't make you smart it is your drive ,persistence and work ethic that determines how smart a person can be not where they go.

[@ERdoctorMike]

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[@sim_aware]

100% #SimTribe

[@hckynrscnd8916]

Yes! And that's what they care about, at least from all of experience and what I've heard from other nurses in Ontario too. Whether you've gone to Conestoga, Fanshawe, McMaster, etc no one cared unless you had experience. The hardest thing in Canada is just getting your first job. After that you have experience and everything opens up and they care about your actual experience

[@Gioviandrea]

It's really refreshing how honest you are when speaking over this. I appreciate the honesty! I'm hoping to apply to the 2023 cycle :)

[@DrCellini]

Someone has to! I try to keep it as real as possible

[@sim_aware]

Good luck with your interviews! #YouGotThis! Appreciate you entering medicine in a pandemic. #SimTribe

[@bridie4583]

Woohoo, exciting times ahead! Good luck with your application preparation!

[@Jesus-dz7fh]

I’m not doing med school but this does make me feel better about paying about 7k a semester for Nursing.

[@DrCellini]

Yessss

[@dogcrazy25]

7k is still a lot of money. How many semesters does it take to get a degree or license

[@cloudsunicorns194]

@@dogcrazy25 it will cost 80,000.00

[@sim_aware]

Thank you for all you do! #SimTribe

[@logictd567]

I would be ashamed to tell people I’m getting ripped off. Lol

[@joshmcgoo]

I hear you, man. That's why I ended up going to a state school (save money) that accepted me into a 3 year MD program (save time) that pre-matched me into EM residency (save stress).

[@DrCellini]

Best decision ever!

[@funsize198]

Penn State or Stonybrook?

[@dreamsofcazal5744]

@@funsize198 Sounds like he goes to Penn State

[@joshmcgoo]

@John Vargas true, but I don't want to be in the military for 4+ years

[@funsize198]

This is a great video. It all depends on your goals. If you want to stay in academia or do research for big pharma, the Ivy League name will carry you. Hell, the Ivy League name will carry you to get a good residency spot too. Step 1 is p/f now and many of these Ivy League schools don't have rankings or grades and are also p/f. You can go to Columbia and just pass your classes with no rankings and chill and have a better chance at matching Derm than the guy who went to his state school and had to stress over grades and was top 15 in the class. It all depends on what you want to do.

[@DrCellini]

Exactly.

[@GhostPepperMeg]

Why is Derm so well sought after? Lifestyle?

[@AJXO-30]

@@GhostPepperMeg I'm interested to know too.....?

[@junwooo]

​@@AJXO-30 Make bank, little to none on calls, and work comfortable hours. You most likely will run your own practice and work 9-5.

[@bluethunder9102]

Bethany B Money procedures surgeries a lot work Monday - Thursday too

[@samlee6152]

Also, from the perspective of a patient, I couldn't care less about where my doctor went to med school. All I care about is, does this doctor have the empathy, skillset, and record of competency in medicine to help make me better?

[@baileymclemore6065]

My husband is a medical student at our local state school and has friends at other state schools. The curriculum at our state school is severely lacking and different from our friends' curriculum. The whole structure of how subjects are taught is different. His classes covered about 40% of the information on Step 1, and the rest he had to learn on his own, without resources from the school, which is not the same story for our friends in neighboring states. The clinical side of things in M3&4 are better, but most students from our state struggle at first in rotations because they just dont have as strong a base of knowledge as the MDs expect. I know its not really the point of this video, as it is mainly comparing state schools to ivy leagues, but just want to throw it out there that different schools CAN have very different curriculum. Research your school!

[@bobfg3130]

That school has some serious issues.

[@catherinediaz5180]

man, i am trying to do like pre reqs at a community college, transfer to a university and then go from there. I'm 27 now and have a 2 year old and I am getting NERVOUS. I haven't even registered for my classes yet. Also your vids with your wife are so great! You guys are very helpful and elaborate in your explanation of, pretty much everything. She basically convinced me to be a PA, it's going to be a long road, but I'm sure it'll work out!!

[@excelmd3804]

Augusta University lists fees per semester, so to get the yearly rate you should multiply it by 2. :)

[@gracesnuggs6753]

Applying to Augusta University for med school right now! Still, 30,000 is much more affordable and reasonable!

[@arabmd1505]

Omgg i got accepted for fall 2021 at MCG I only applied to 2 schools and this was my top one.

[@kenjicabahug4830]

@@arabmd1505 bruhhhh omg same!! I’m so excited hahah

[@bridie4583]

@@arabmd1505 wooooohoooo!

[@yellow8206]

@@gracesnuggs6753 but it's 50k out of state :(. But that's probably still below average tuition as far as med schools go lol.

[@fleggers1233]

Yep, my school advisor often says that it doesn’t really matter where you go for medical school, all that matters is that you go

[@stevegaspar]

A old supervisor of mine is an MD and did his PhD at Harvard. They 100% said going to Havard is no different than other schools.

[@DrCellini]

Maybe not...but people outside of Harvard think it’s the gold standard

[@EscapeForTheSoul]

Im an accountant in Quebec, and I can tell that school name matters, pretty much all the time if you want to join high league audit offices as EY / KPMG / DELOITTE / PWC. Usually, people that are working there can attest the education quality AND pretty much everybody comes from high league university! Here, usually, students from HEC Montreal or McGill are more « privileged » than other universities!

[@DrCellini]

Exactly my point lol

[@joshb2686]

Can you do a video on DO schools, I had no clue you were a DO. Brightened my day.

[@wTrevorh]

I hope realize that MDs are a bit more rigorously trained than DO’s

[@anserhasan457]

@@wTrevorh That is highly incorrect. I’m in a DO school and they are at the same level as MDs in terms of education covered in systems courses. The curriculum is as rigorous and intense as an MD school. Come to think of it, it is actually more intense since DO physicians have to use osteopathic manipulative medicine, a series of hands on techniques used to clinically target bodily dysfunction and improve outcomes in terms of over all well being, reducing pain, and increasing range of motion. Being a DO does not make that person any less of a physician.

[@joshb2686]

@@wTrevorh That’s not correct, the education is exactly the same with the exception being DO’s take an additional class on musculoskeletal manipulation. MD’s and DO’s compete for the same residency positions and in many cases take the same board exams. Heck, half my instructors are MD’s!!!! If DO’s had inferior training they would make less $ and not have match rates of 90+ percent. You should educate yourself before speaking so ignorantly.

[@mememachine25dank37]

@@wTrevorh DO is more intense cause DOs have more work to cover than MDs. DOs cover same amount of Allopathic curriculum As MDs with added hundreds of hours of OMM added. It’s easier when attending an MD school as only allopathy is covered. Getting into the programs is where MD most of the time will require more rigorous Grades and ECs

[@sara215]

Trevor T that’s not true. They do the same residencies

[@hamaadrahman4196]

Step 1 becoming pass/fail will ultimately give more weight to the “reputation” of the medical school during residency applications. While I agree that residency matters more, with the change to step 1 to P/F, your med school May very well play a role in where you go for residency. For example an applicant from a small state school with a 260 vs an Ivy League with a 210 will both say “PASS”, but PDs will probably pick the Ivy League grad because of the school name. Maybe step 2 will fill in that role, but who knows.

[@sim_aware]

It is also going to mean the away rotations become much more important. If they know you and like you, that is better than the unknown. Always true but P/F puts more emphasis on it. We are looking at more simulations to assess applicant strength. #SimTribe

[@thesneakygamer4343]

I am an MS1, and unfortunately the residency directors at my school made it seem like letters of rec would be much more emphasized. So if you go to a top school, the person writing you a letter of rec could be world famous and that’s a big plus. I also think clinical grades will be more important as well, and those can be very subjective.

[@youtlube7493]

i highly doubt step 2 will fill in that role completely because its so easy, everyone already does well on it its hard to differentiate yourself just from that

[@aliceazzun146]

Hi! I just wanted to kindly mention that some of the information presented in this video is a little misleading. A better way to assess how expensive a school is is to look at the average student indebtedness, not necessarily the published tuition costs. Many “prestigious” schools matriculate individuals with very competitive academic histories. Because of this, merit based scholarships are awarded to the majority of students for all four years. If you look at MSAR, Harvard has an average student reported indebtedness of 111,000, whereas many of the state allopathic programs have an average student reported indebtedness of approximately 200k. Also, some schools that are seen as “less prestigious,” have the highest student indebtedness. For example, many osteopathic schools, because of their private status, have average student indebtedness near 300k. So, while I agree that the medical school doesn’t make the doctor, cost and “prestige” do not always correlate. Just thought this insight could be useful to someone out there, namely premeds!

[@bluewater3783]

Thanks for that important information.

[@shanes254]

You nailed it. Also, Harvard was not even on that list. lol. Columbia tops the list but it also has a new and generous need based scholarship that reduces student debt significantly or completely. People are often scared away from pursuing Ivy degrees without being given sufficient information. (Disclaimer, I am a Columbia student, employee and alum but not necessarily considering Columbia for med school. Just tired of the Ivy League schools being unfairly portrayed as money vacuums.)

[@temporaryrelief2981]

Facts, very true thanks for clarifying this!

[@pg8982]

Went to a DO medical school. Have colleagues who went to top-tier medical schools. I do the same shit they do, make the same exact amount of money they do, and at the end of the day, I am the same exact thing as they are. Where are you go to medical school doesn’t matter if your goal is to practice clinical medicine. If you want to run a research lab at a top-tier medical system, or if you want to be the head of the department at a prestigious hospital like Mass General, then yeah where you go to school and your pedigree matters. Outside of that narrow career aim, where you go doesn’t matter.

[@mario-qq7bq]

DO are just MD rejects

[@mario-qq7bq]

As a high schooler with a 4.0 I would never go to a DO school.

[@BookieNelsJor]

@@mario-qq7bq Your H.S. GPA is irrelevant. If you wanted to be a doctor, you would happily attend a DO school. If all you want is to attend an MD school, then yes, attending a DO school would not fulfill your goal. As for DO's being MD "Rejects", you are probably right. (I say probably because I have 2 classmates that turned down MD acceptances to attend a DO school) But at the end of the day, my future DO degree means I get to be a doctor and treat patients. Just like any MD. By the way, the doctor's video that you are commenting on is himself a DO.

[@Nick_isk]

@@mario-qq7bq with that mentality u wouldn’t be accepted anyway

[@matthewstojsavljevic3393]

Great video! I'm a first-year med student at Toledo (in-state public MD school). With lower tuition (about 33k/yr) and low cost of living, I can graduate with less than $150k overall. Though with Step 1 becoming pass/fail, a lot of students worry that school prestige is going to play a bigger role in the match

[@DrCellini]

Of course it will. But what matters more is what sets you apart from everyone else

[@hadi_177re]

That makes me feel a lil bit reliefed cuz I've recently graduated from med school and I'm starting my residency soon and I feel stressfull and nervious cuz I feel like I'm not really qualified or I'm not that well trained new doctor . I feel like I even don't deserve to be called a doctor . I forgot most of the thing I have learnd in med school and now I'm scared from the new door that's about to open . But now , I feel relaxed to know that residency what matters the most 🖤 . Thanks Dr.cellini . My greetings from Syria 🖤🇸🇾

[@zackmorris8660]

Thank goodness for the GI Bill and Yellow Ribbon Program. Now all I have to do is the hard part of getting into and completing medical school. I'll be almost entirely debt free if I do though. Don't rule out military service if that's a route you're thinking about. It can open a lot of doors you couldn't previously afford to get through. I wouldn't join just for the money though, as you'd probably just be miserable for 4+ years. Lots of roads to get to the same place. One isn't always better than the other necessarily. Pick the route that's best for you, not the best for someone else.

[@minniesawta4761]

You’re missing a key point. Top med school will undeniably help get you into a better residency. An allopathic school will also likely open more doors than an osteopathic.

[@yallamafez2428]

Dont agree with the top Med school comment. DO schools preach primary care so applicants should be realistic about that before applying

[@neuroxplorein]

I feel like Dr. Cellini did say that. But overall, the same content needs to be learned for everyone in med school, while residency is based on the skills and wisdom of the attending's overseeing you. Residency is the key.

[@mjgabor1528]

who is this guy? I trained dr botched Terry Dubrow he was very tolerable this guy would have never been allowed in a ucla program

[@wiwang1]

All excellent points. True Med school isn’t as important as residency training but i think it does open more doors and provide more opportunities. You get to learb from the leaders in the field. Furthermore, I’d say that top Med schools are consistently ranking their graduates into higher tiered, more competitive residency programs and specialties. Sure you can rank into a top place from a lower tiered Med school, but I’d say that is less consistent.

[@GhostPepperMeg]

I love your channel so much because you’re so real and relatable! Once again, thanks for another great video

[@diksharawat6490]

Your suggestions are also on fire... 🔥

[@ashley7360]

Just FYI, you were comparing Augusta’s semester tuition to Harvard’s yearly tuition!

[@Web19814]

Yeah, but it truly doesn't make a difference. It's 2 semesters per year. That would be $65k at Harvard or instate in Georgia would be $28k. Out of state would have been closer to $50k. Not including all of the cost for room and board. No matter what Harvard would have been about $400k ( A HOUSE) and Georgia could be $200k-$300k (A house). What is crazy to me is that you spend $400k on a home and they give you 30 years to pay it off. That's a long ass time for a loan to be paid off. College tuition is becoming out of control. We want a better country, but some good people can't afford that. It's so sad

[@davi4226]

It's bizarre how expensive that is, here in brazil the best universities are the federal ones, and it's 100% for free, the student doesn't have to pay anything. I Love your channel 😊

[@imanmoshari]

Welcome to America

[@true4baby]

Thank you!!!!!!! Your Channel doesn’t miss .. stay humble plzzzzz🫶🏽

[@SOCCERandSKILLS]

I decided to pay extra to attend the “HMS/Penn/Yale tier”. Not only do most people get scholarships (so not many people pay the full $200k+), but as Dr. Cellini the name holds weight. It’s not just helpful for academia or research, it helps for those who know they really want to make world impact in an arena they’re interested in. While you do learn most of your skills in residency, again as Dr. Cellini stated, attending these schools does give you a slight upper hand for residency, especially with Step 1 being pass/fail (we are still not fully sure how this will affect residency applications). So if you’re debating between a “top school” or a cheaper state school, think a little bit deeper about your decision. Also happy to answer any questions ;)

[@carolynmayo8182]

I went into nursing at a hospital based diploma program. I already had a college degree so I had an easier time getting through the program. But, my class started out with 142 students and my graduating class was only 86! A lot of dropouts due to financial problems as well as poor academic performance. I was very fortunate that my parents could afford to send me to college then also pay for my diploma program so I did not acquire any personal debt. But I went back to college to get my BSN so I could teach in Nursing Staff Development. The BSN was paid off by the hospital because I signed a promissory note that I would continue to work at the hospital to “work off” the debt which was no big deal since I loved working at the hospital where I did my training. Getting admitted to nursing school to attain a BSN now is tougher than it used to be 40 years ago. And it is more expensive than it used to be and I know that a lot of newly graduated nurses are carrying a lot of loan debt now more than ever. I was so lucky with the financial support of my parents and the payoff program my hospital had in place. I was able to practice nursing with no great financial weight hanging over my head. Thank goodness.

[@justinc1482]

I hope you're having a blessed day, Dr. Cellini. Keep up the great work on your videos!

[@DrCellini]

Thx so much!

[@samuelsmithmed214]

I'd say for more competitive specialties nowadays where you go to med school does matter. Since the USMLE is going to be pass/fail for my class (year 1 med student currently), you want everything possible that could help you to place into a better residency. Less standardized measures of comparing applicants = more subjectively and emphasis on thing like where you went to school. This means namesake of school by attending a well known university will weigh more and unfortunately I think it will affect IMG and DOs trying to get into more competitive specialties negatively and place more emphasis on those Ivey league grads. Personally now, I think it means more than ever where you go. And obviously attend IS over OOS if you aren't going Ivey League.

[@PowerSuitNinja]

I think there are some good point here, but it depends on your goals. If research is your thing and you want to be an academic clinician or match into a very competitive/small specialty, you are significantly advantaged at a top institution. Partially because you can work with that clinicians crank out leading research, great letters of rec, P/F grading on Step 1 and the recent loss of Step 2 CS. Like you were saying in the Academic vs. Private Practice video, training and working at a prestigious institution has your brand value already set. Like its pretty well studied that there is a significant advantage to match if you go to a Top-40 NIH funded medical school, per the Match results. I think the one caveat is that the traditional Ivy league designation doesn't really apply to medical schools/hospitals? Tbh the US News thing is something patients/physicians really care about when looking for how reliable/trustworthy a hospital/medical school is and only 3 Ivy League schools have made the top ten. You can't be saying that Hopkins, Mayo, Stanford, etc. are not at least on the same tier as Ivy leagues when Dartmouth is sitting at 50. But in general, yeah if you want to do many easier to match specialties, or other factors other than clout and leadership chasing are prioritized, it really doesn't matter. But if you do go to a not-highly ranked medical school, you definitely have to prove yourself way more to move up to these institutions. Finance-wise is really unique to your personal situation in medical school. Financial aid offices don't have a once size fits all approach to things like they do for undergrads where there are 100x larger student bodies. I find it hard to say that a more prestigious school is definitely more expensive than a less prestigious one, unless thats your in-state school.

[@JamesSmith-ze9nx]

Do you think the step 1 going to pass fail make a difference?

[@joshb2686]

Not until step 2 goes pass fail (if it does).

[@yasmanybaez477]

@@joshb2686 more like (when it does)

[@joshb2686]

@@yasmanybaez477 There’s no reason to think Step 2 will go pass/fail any time soon.

[@Jake-pw8rp]

If out of state tuition at Augusta was 28k per semester the yearly cost of tuition is 56k. Thats only 8k less a year than Harvard.

[@rivneat6964]

I think it’s more arguing that you should just go to an instate school

[@Jake-pw8rp]

@@rivneat6964 State schools arent really that much cheaper any more. Here in new york a state med school cost about 50k a year. Most private schools are about 60ish. Its not what it used to be.

[@Jake-pw8rp]

@@rivneat6964 Further paying that little bit extra for Harvard would be worth it in terms of doors it would open

[@andrewhunter742]

I completely agree! However; now that the USMLE Step 1 is pass fail, do you think that Med School prestige will now be a factor in residency placements?

[@DrCellini]

I think it will be safe for the top school folks, but harder for everyone else

[@shyampatel3712]

As a student at a top tier institution, I would like to clarify something regarding financial aid. I am grateful to say that I will be paying a total of ~100k for 4 years of education which is incredible.

[@yellow8206]

For medical school? How?

[@laddiebuck12]

Augusta is $56716 per year for out of state students according to your numbers at 5:19. That's ~90% of Harvard's tuition. Does it also give students 90% of the education and opportunities that Harvard does though?

[@theaznboy44]

Is there still bad stigma on DOs from MDs? Is there still tough residency programs that to accept DOs?

[@pratikpandey9285]

Here In India the Government medical colleges are highly subsidized and the best college AIIMS Delhi costs u less than a 100 $ per year including tution fee and hostel facilities. Ofc it can't be compared to Harvard but thats the best we have got 😀

[@kevsonkeyboard]

Any comments as to being a California resident, and considering medical school...it'd be a no-brainer to apply for all the UC medical schools right?

[@zenith12417]

Not really - although they're all in California, California is huge with diverse populations. There are specific UC SOMs that only want certain people from that area or ties to that area. For example, UCR SOM

[@goombasquaddie6118]

Who Else than me watches these doctor channels as patient only 🙋‍♂️

[@stephenessuman3342]

Well reasoned.I really loved the analysis and perhaps the most well thought out...Thanks for doing what you do..

[@heyitsnayaa6736]

Most people would rather put themselves in debt 💸 because their paying for the Name. -It’s not Worth it!!

[@TheTimWalczyk]

...does anything matter anymore?

[@cloudsunicorns194]

I totally agree all the doctor I work with have the same position and their colleges range from Harvard to no name schools and they do the same.

[@braxinator99]

What are your feelings on Caribbean Med school (like SGU or Ross)? They have a stigma around them but if they are US credited, and still produce good SMLE scores, does it really matter?

[@baileymclemore6065]

I also want to know his opinion on this. My husband is looking for residencies and I honestly view the residencies with only residents from Caribbean medical schools as not as good. I also know people who were rejected from our low reputation state school and easily got into Caribbean schools. However, I dont know very much about those schools so I could be totally wrong.

[@Chris-pt6hh]

@@baileymclemore6065 Caribbean schools are for-profit, they'll take almost anyone who can pay. They have a horrible success rate and are pretty much scams.

[@DoctorMitnaul]

Great video! There isn't enough emphasis on considering the culture of the school and students and working hard wherever you get in. I may have to chime in similarly on my channel. Thanks for the idea and keep up the great work!

[@farazr2]

Enjoyed the video but a few things as someone who is currently going through the match for residency. 1. You need to look at DO and IMG schools as well for comparison. AZCOM has Harvard prices for example, without the benefits. Caribbean schools are often more expensive. 2. You need to look at match rates and subsequent specialization rates. As an IMG who did decently, the bulk of my interviews are at community hospitals and my co-interviewees are DO students. Low-tier USMDs still get mid-tier residency offers. 3. I think you're underestimating how important clinical interactions are to career choice. A bad attending, an overworked hospital ward, a brilliant mentor can have drastic effects on what you choose. Not just for Ivy league, but for even mid to low-tier programs. 4. Having resources, like a home hospital which is only guaranteed by LCME is a huge boon. In the pandemic, we've seen how med students with a home hospital can continue rotations, while those without struggled to find placement. It also means you're not having to travel and be displaced through your third and 4th years consistently. Overall, I'd say even if you're not looking at the Ivy club, your choice of medical school matters a ton. There are a lot of open doors people dont even recognize being open, that are closed for many applicants. I would 100% pay an extra 200k to get radiology or anesthesia programs to take me seriously and get that 400k+ salary over being a community FM doc forever.

[@joshb2686]

I wouldn’t go IMG if you have the option, there are a lot more options going DO....definitely wouldn’t go to AZCOM or Patel....both will put you in over a half mill in debt after residency.

[@DonnaBeautyxo]

Id like to know if the medical schools in the Caribbean are considered to fit within the “second tier”

[@rickmoss446]

no. chances of matching are significantly lower for caribbean schools graduates.

[@davids2206]

Most state schools are around $30k in tuition a year. Georgia is more of a cheaper exception

[@laurensstroedter1738]

For young people to be in debt for so much money is insane! I pay 42 Euro per year for medical university

[@callum4387]

$400k that's crazy, it makes me realise how lucky I am to live in a country (Scotland) where it is free (government pays the full tuition) for my medical degree.

[@bridie4583]

It’s bonkers over there hey, down in Aus we can either have a commonwealth supported place, where we just contribute small fees or generally we can have our government essentially give us a loan that we don’t have to pay back until we are earning a decent wage. Can’t imagine building up so much debt that then accumulates so much interest 😱😱😱

[@murraysolomon4924]

If you are at the top of your class you can match well anywhere but if you are in the middle of the class, you will generally match at better programs from a top medical school than from a less prestigious medical school. Most students at top medical schools do not go into research.

[@linaS9479]

Me a Swede, see the costs and getting a little bit shocked. Here we actually get paid (not that much but anyways) to go to university, and we almost have free healthcare. But in another way we don’t have these prestige-full university’s in the same way as you (in the US) and the taxes are WAY higher.

[@emasarts]

Thank you so much for your videos doc! You’re such an inspiration. I hope I become a doctor someday 😊

[@KrazyNigerian14]

I thought you explained it well. At the end of the day, when you initially go into med school you don't know exactly what you want to do or where you want to be. Arguably going to an Ivy opens the most doors compared to going to a mid tier medical school like I'm at right now. That said, where you go does matter to some extent. For example, I would highly advise against going to a Caribbean school. It's crazy to think that some people go to the Caribbean for the MD rather than stay in the states for the DO.

[@wynemawalker]

How long do most residencies last?

[@MohamedAhmed-wc3pw]

I heard because of STEP 1 becoming Pass/Fail, in order to get good residencies your med school will actually matter more. What do you think of this?

[@DrCellini]

I think setting yourself apart from everyone else matters far more than the name of your med school

[@hammadkhalaily9054]

Thank you!

[@spartan997]

Hello Dr. Cellini, thanks so much for making this video. I loved it, and have subscribed to your channel! I did want to talk about some of my opinions regarding this topic. Firstly, there is a lot of variation within the ivy league medical schools in terms of affiliated hospital systems, affiliated residencies, research funding and opportuntites, and rotation sites. Harvard is obviously the best of the best, and Penn, Columbia, Cornell, and Yale are not too far behind. Brown and dartmouth, however, do not have nearly the same caliber of affiliated hospitals or the research funding of the other five ivy league schools. They are still definitely top tier schools, but I think entering academia could potentially be easier via other schools. I'm sure the ivy league name helps, but it's difficult to quantify how much it helps. Secondly, there are elite state schools whose reputations within medicine are just as good as, if not better than, those of ivy league schools. Examples include UCSF, UCLA, UMich, UPitt, and UTSW. I think attending any of these schools is considered highly impressive within the medical communitiy and can open the same doors that ivy league medical schools can. At the end of the day though, regardless of which med school someone goes to, they will become doctors once they finish!

[@mememachine25dank37]

If Ivy League medical schools weren’t so impossible to get into, I wud say that it’s a better option lol. I’m in a 6 year bs/do program which I would choose a hundred times over any Ivy League undergraduate program, despite my chances at a much better medical school. My goals are like the many other physicians of the US, to get a residency (IM) in a decent area where I can provide for both served and underserved communities. I’d most likely be doing this even if I were go to a top 10 medical school, however, it would take me much longer to do so compared the program I’m in. Gap years for the mcat, shadowing, and research on top of the 8 year minimum time would not be worth it to me, regardless of getting an IM residency in one of the best hospitals in the country. Getting to study medicine and being the person someone can rely on for their medical needs is why I and many docs chose medicine, which is possible through all medical programs regardless of prestige.

[@dd423d]

The Georgia in-state and out of state tuition is not by year, but instead per semester. This can be a little misleading but the difference between a state school like the Georgia one is still way less the price.

[@ravitankala9200]

Great insights as always!

[@PrincePalmUwU]

Stuck between Mri Tech and CRNA 😞 I have a bad feeling that I will flock so bad and CRNA Med School is a pass or fail situation and your chances is only ONE!

[@BellaKarim23]

THOSE Benjamin Franklins. MY HEART. I need CPR. SO MUCH IN LOANS.

[@SharaKennedy]

Love these med school vids

[@DrCellini]

I’m here for it

[@jacko1380]

i went to texas tech, practiced ER for three years, went into business and now 15 years later my net worth is 450mm (after taxes). no money in medicine practice but lots to be made in other places. true story.

[@mohama2018]

I am really grateful to my government they not only teach us for free but give us a monthly stipend. ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@fredashay]

Just go live in the state you want to go to school at for a year before you enroll, then pay the in-state tuition. You can still take a bunch of your electives as non-matriculated student and get them out of the way during that year so that year isn't totally wasted. I was a computer science major, but I would think the same strategy would apply to medical school, law school, or whatever...

[@dominiclundquist9577]

Hi Dr. Cellini, great video! It actually helped me a lot in making a decision between my in state medical school and another school I have an acceptance at. I was hoping to get your thoughts on how much of an impact residency program directors place on an applicant's medical school now that step 1 will be pass fail. Do you think the rank of an applicants medical school will influence their acceptance (excluding ivy leagues)? Thanks!

[@bradr637]

I see the point and it definitely stands - but I think you may have been looking at semester costs in the public university vs yearly for Harvard. The out-of-state tuition at the state school said ~28k per semester which makes 58 a year compared to 64/year at Harvard.

[@Thewiz729kdojdj]

I think it should be noted though that while that may be the technical cost of attendence at harvard, i highly doubt the vast majority of students pay that much. students who are competitive enough to get into harvard are competitive enough to get into other schools and compete for scholarships. What may be a better statistic is looking at the average debt of the student coming out of harvard. i admit this may be a bit biased because more affluent students are probably more likely to be accepted to higher tier medical schools (for a variety of factors mainly attributed to having more opportunities. ultimately, the best stat may be to look at average debt leaving medical school normalized to net worth. good video non-the less

[@haythamshoul2926]

Hi doctor! Am seeking for some med school in the USA of course but it’s so expensive! I can’t afford that price! So what should i do?

[@orrinrwilson]

I agree that you can get any residency from any school, but from looking at residency matches, there seems to be certain schools that are great at matching certain specialties. For example, Penn state and Temple’s medical school have similar gpa and MCAT requirements, but Penn state matches twice as many orthopedic surgeons than Temple on average every year.

[@madear112]

Great insight!

[@talldog7632]

MCG graduate here... I applied to 3 med schools and MCG was my first choice. Most definitely well worth it for most cases (with some rare exceptions). Had very little med school debt and paid it off very quickly after residency. Would recommend the same to everyone applying. Don't waste your money on expensive med schools if you don't have to.

[@CDaeda]

How about Emory University in Georgia?

[@007ETA73]

Unfortunately I don’t think this takes into account that residency programs will now be looking at other factors such as a schools reputation for competitiveness since there is no longer a step 1 exam ranking. They will be looking at step 2 and since most students historically do well in step 2 they will have to use other factors to differentiate us. I think subjectivity and letters of rec or connections might play a big part. As an incoming medical student I’d love to get your feedback on the shakeup that’s happening right now.

[@deepsinmedicine]

You are amazing making me look at things much differently and considering I study medicine in a country far away from States. Even the country doesn't matter a slong as you are willing to learn.

[@alexwyler4570]

Would you have had a residency in NY city if you had done med school at U of Georgia? maybe next video address that? How do you get the best residencies? Thank You

[@lawrencekupfer3087]

Hi, what IR program are you in?

[@LeetSkeetSkeet]

I mean now that Step 1 is P/F......

[@a.s.michaelson2258]

Hey doc, really love your videos. Speaking as someone not in the medical field, I think geography would be one of the major factors I would consider when deciding where to go to med school/residency. For example, if you wanted to practice emergency medicine or trauma surgery, you're probably going to get more experience in a city like Miami, Newark, or Los Angeles, than you would in a town in Wyoming or Montana. I don't think it would be as much of a factor if you wanted to practice psychiatry or family medicine. What do you think?

[@johsiasmaru489]

An important point to add is that most Ivy League medical schools (except for Dartmouth and Brown) tend to offer very robust financial aid packages. So, if you're middle to low SES, you'll likely end up paying a comparable amount, in addition to all the unnecessary privilege an Ivy League degree confers.

[@MsSkal]

Thank u for this video, very interesting 🧐... 💡 idea for next video as a sequel of this : “What are the criteria which are very useful for the acceptance of a residence program?”

[@punxxi]

I worked with a lot of Docs that went to medical school in Guadalajara, they were as good as any of the others.

[@balasuraj1]

So you said that where you go to medical school ultimately doesn't matter because you learn your craft in residency. If you went to a state school or lesser known school for medical school, would that impact which residencies you get into? For example you want to go to a top residency program thats not in the Ivy bubble

[@techpoint9540]

What about Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, and Stanford. I figured those were equal?

[@dr.aarishali903]

Thank you doctor. You really made it possible for me to have a sigh of relief. Thanks again.

[@allyanderson1542]

Do you think the same applies to undergrad school? Are prestigious undergrad schools and worth of for people trying to get into med school?

[@DrCellini]

Not at all

[@Chris-pt6hh]

For what it's worth, Columbia undergrad med school applicants have almost twice the national acceptance rate. Though I think that's just because the rigor of curriculum scares off a lot of premeds into other fields, so it's kinda self-selection. And Columbia also has a post-bacc premed program.

[@noeljohnson3918]

What about Guadalajara? You have to learn to speak Spanish as part of the curriculum which is getting to be more and more important. I don't think it costs any less though. 50K per year include room and board. You have to have your undergrad med school to apply.

[@AZ-wg3eg]

Imagine being me, I have a 4 year degree in nursing that was completely covered by scholarships (cGPA 4.0). No student debt. Now, instead of going to PMHNP program for 35k I'm going to a Caribbean medical knowing full well I have a 60% chance of matching as an IMG with 250k private loan debt.

[@yasmanybaez477]

Just curious why Caribbean medical? Did you not want to try getting into the states?

[@AZ-wg3eg]

@@yasmanybaez477 In nursing school I was upset at my choice. So I was looking for an option to matriculate close or near close post graduation (December 2018) and I began working with my Caribbean school. I was unable to initially matriculate in May 2019 due to funding issues. Continued to finish my bachelor's degree, then began premed coursework through their school to help give a foundation prior to med school. Now set to matriculation May 2021. Short answer: I was looking for the fast way in. Being 27 now I didn't want to spend a total of 3 years taking premed coursework, then MCAT. And another gap year waiting to see if I got into medical School. So this option allows me to start med school at 27 instead of 30-31. Finished at 31, instead of 35, and done with residency at 35 instead of 39. Everyone has their reasons.

[@codymiller510]

"the finale: UCI's IDS's finally 'squeezed' a urine sample out of me back in August, under the pretense I can't get treated without a positive result. UCI's IDS's are my medical group's highest tertiary level IDS, and seemingly the final say in whether or not I finally get treated. I didn't hear back from them after the August encounter, and had to arrange a follow-up on my own, which wasn't available to me until January 7th at 1:00pm, back in October, (an entire 5 months later). This teleconference I arranged finally came around, and UCI's IDS's hadn't even gotten the result of my urine sample yet and told me they think I've had enough antibiotics and that they aren't giving me anymore...but for me to go back to the Emergency Department if my problem is bothering me to that degree..."

[@simonjones63]

Same over here with Oxford and Cambridge..😁..you can argue the opening doors case but as regards medical education I’m not overtly convinced it’s any better and indeed there are many schools that have a better and more well rounded curriculum. Nice video 👏👏

[@KJ.022]

What about Stanford and Duke medical school which technically aren’t Ivy. Do you think the extra $200,000 would be worth it for those or is it still not the same as Harvard?

[@aamirrazak3467]

Thanks for this video doctor, as a current applicant it's very helpful!

[@imnotalec9877]

True it "doesn't" matter but you should know that would apply to US but not in countries like singapore, if i were to study overseas and come to singapore and work, i would need Accreditation/ eligible/ recognised degree in other countries. its quite sad for me to live in a country in singapore as it is very competitive. :)

[@IAMCHIDERA]

For residency do your first 2 years of Med school grades matter? are they put into consideration when being picked for residency and can they cost you a residency?

[@AfroMedic]

What do you think of Upstate medical university? I’m taking my time so I can work on the MCAT and my application next year. I’m graduating next spring 2022.

[@cocogarcia3555]

Thank you for another video on Med School Dr. Cellini!! You're one of the greatest sources of inspiration to me especially in my medical journey

[@DrCellini]

Glad I can help!

[@rachelt2482]

Enjoyed the video Dr Cellini! Have a good day! :)

[@DrCellini]

Thanks. You too