Why Your Posts Can Convict You!

[@14percentviking]

"Stirring up racial hatred" is actually just NOTICING THINGS

[@rucker69]

​@@phill6859define "far right." Go on, let's have it. Be specific.

[@barbthegreat586]

​@@rucker69 You're just a troll, not worth anybody's time, especially not mine. My comment will help barrister's algorithm, so I responded.

[@gillps5130]

A police state may command fear but never respect.

[@John1873--]

​@@greatscott369maybe they can help make nasty thoughts about the criminals. That'll teach those pesky criminals!

[@mb3503-o4e]

It is common in dictatorships for people to be banged up for alleged bad character

[@LouWin-v1e]

Good job we don’t live in one.

[@mickkidston7344]

it's even more common for people promoting the burning of brown people to be locked up in democracies, funny that

[@LionFox369]

@@LouWin-v1e we do

[@stuartfountain9929]

but it’s getting closer, Starmer is controlled be the WEC

[@nealc.6927]

​@@LouWin-v1e Yes we do. She has, to all intents and purposes, been charged with a Thought Crime.

[@MYCROFTonX]

Treated foully for opinions and yet the thugs that broke a policewoman's nose are free as birds. The judicial arm of the 3 offices of state has let us all down in failing to act as a check and balance to the other 2. judges have become publicity stunt men and women and that is a bad bad move.

[@mickkidston7344]

da comrade

[@FC-PeakVersatility]

Were they not prosecuted, or are they just on a waiting list?

[@mickobrien6360]

If saying stuff is a crime, we are finished.

[@rucker69]

@@mickobrien6360 You were finished decades ago then.

[@barbthegreat586]

No, saying incendiary stuff is a crime.

[@rucker69]

@@barbthegreat586 define incendiary. It's a subjective exercise. I'd argue that people should be careful what they're willing to make illegal because of blowback on their own words in the future. It's all too easy to overly rely on the state for "solutions"

[@tomwinterfishing9065]

‘Bad character’ sounds ominously like poor social credit, in a roundabout way.

[@adampancechowski5965]

its the UK discount social credit system

[@alexstewart9747]

But throwing concrete at a political opponent of the Government gets you a slap on the wrist.

[@malcolmthorman9126]

@alexstewart9747 that's why we have trial by a jury of your peers.....well, once upon a time

[@phreatomagmatic8016]

​​@@phill6859 If it wasn't concrete, what was it? That cup needed some serious weight to propel it.

[@mickkidston7344]

I went to McDonald's, they'd sold out of the Grimace milkshake, but they did have the concrete one ;) you muppet

[@Forthestate]

@@phill6859 "Fortunately the court didn't believe your lies. It wasn't concrete. But the truth is not a burden for your side." Then tell us the truth: what was it? Something was put into the cup from a building site which allowed it to be propelled. How difficult is it for an investigation to determine what that was? And since you're so sure that concrete is a lie, no doubt you'll have the answer as to what in fact was used. So tell us. What was it? It was heavy enough to make a paper cup a projectile. Are you suggesting that it was harmless? Seems like it. And that seems to be a lie, because anything heavy enough to make a paper cup a projectile would be harmful on impact. But go on - don't keep us in suspense - tell us what it was.

[@phildad4900]

The vast majority of politicians are in my opinion "of bad character". Define bad character ffs.

[@rwo5402]

certainly applies to farage, tice, habib, cruella, grease mobb,....

[@tomwinterfishing9065]

Most of them are straight up criminals, as far as I’m concerned. Government is a racket.

[@awakenotwoke1973]

@@rwo5402 Poor brainwashed fool.

[@Craft-oh7uv]

Liars

[@phildad4900]

It applies to the ones who represent globalists like the WEF too.

[@Markcain268]

When social media first became popular and people were raving about it being a free speech platform, I knew it wouldn't last.

[@DevilbyMoonlight]

Now its twisted intoa tool to beat us all with

[@9n3-]

Power cannot buck an and. Unfortunately

[@josephfredbill]

Those who have power do like to control the media, dont they. Can’t have the plebs having free speech

[@hotstepper887]

@@richiedoop2529 Really, you find people going to prison, for what can be seen as nothing more than strong opinions, highly amusing? Is there any wonder the country is in such a mess?

[@hotstepper887]

@@richiedoop2529 Who are "We"? And what did you warn anyone, in 2006??

[@jolinefields3460]

This is truly insanity 😮 I can’t believe this is actually happening??

[@doOf3r]

How many people were actually 'Incited' by any of these posts? How many people even viewed them originally? The Courts realise that online Posts by random people are not instructions to be immediately carried out right? The UK Courts have become Circuses. Utter madness.

[@amandasmith3716]

@@phill6859 Nick Lowles of Hope not Hate spread disinformation about an acid attack that did lead to violence but because is a hateful lefty he has been arrested. The Labour MP inciting hatred by saying right wing people should have their throats slit wasn’t arrested and out before the Judge within 24 hours either. Two tier policing and judicial system.

[@rucker69]

​@@phill6859what you described is literally not a threat and your attempt to imply it is directly associated with someone else's actions is some contemptible marxist shit

[@lawman1965]

​@rucker69 , it's not a threat, it's incitement for others to do it!

[@christiner302]

She tried to delete it immediately. Too late apparently.

[@rucker69]

@@lawman1965 No. That is bad philosophy and I rebuke it.

[@christopherforster6555]

The only thing free speech upset is the guilty person.

[@nigelgarrett7970]

False.

[@ohdearism]

True

[@nigelgarrett7970]

@@ohdearism So when Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss from Georgia USA were accused of election fraud, they must have been guilty, is that correct? After all, free speech only upsets the guilty.

[@ChimpingBulldog]

In English, please..

[@nigelgarrett7970]

I see my response has been deleted. I guess that makes me innocent by the OP "logic".

[@crumplezone1]

As Ronald Regan said " When government expands, Liberties contract "

[@shamanahaboolist]

Yeah but it's not necessarily true. Quality is crucial quantity is almost irrelevant.

[@crumplezone1]

@@shamanahaboolist Quantity ? what at any cost ?ridiculous statement,You must work for the government as a guess or be wealthy :)

[@shamanahaboolist]

@@crumplezone1 Neither. I just think rationally and don't just parrot propaganda. The government is no different to any other hierarchical organisation. Its' size is not important, how it is managed is everything.

[@rwo5402]

The opposite is also true as can be seen in the UK with the privatisation of public services. The private water companies polluting rivers and the water supply, the liberty to have a swim or to rely on clean drinking water is eroded. Not to speak of the liberty to get help and treatment when you are sick. and for quoting a C grade hollywood actor....well....

[@springfauna1465]

@@shamanahaboolist I think what Reagan meant is the more laws that are made by government, the less freedom we have as a people.

[@Momosblackdog]

Why plead guilty? Any jury in the UK would find this woman not guilty. There is still such a thing as contributing circumstances, mitigating circumstances, intent, outcome ..... Go not guilty!!! You may spend time on remand, but they're going to jail you anyway.

[@skipper6528]

She will be kept in jail waiting for a case that could be 18 months away. Plead guilty take a few months, and you'll be out before a trial would have begun. It's awful, but put yourself in her shoes

[@loreman7267]

That's assuming you ever get in front of a jury... courtesy of T Blair.

[@mrdelaney4440]

​@@skipper6528 id plead not guilty on principle every time, i say that knowing now that the punishment through process would cost me everything, my home my business everything but once free those who put me there would have to sleep with one eye open until the day i die. Swings and roundabouts.

[@springfauna1465]

@@phill6859 Is that what she said?? Yikes!!!! That's bad!!!

[@Momosblackdog]

@phill6859 I'm saying that a jury would thumb its' nose at the court. Ways and means, ways and means.

[@EvenBigger-Brother]

Since Rowley was not charged with assault ........................

[@EvenBigger-Brother]

@@user-ye7bf8sv6myou mean he has no self control and polices on personal feelings , therefore he is by definition a tyrant .

[@louisdisbury9759]

The Elephant in the room is Knife crime in the UK especially involving young children and defenceless women,I live in Singapore over here being caught with an unloaded gun can result in the death penalty here The legal system in the West now seems to be more interested in convicting people for there thoughts rather than there deeds and in doing so is failing to protect innocent people, Thank god none of that nonsense here in Singapore where both women and precious children are safe.

[@colonelangus8247]

Women and young children are not defenseless if the man of the house keeps a loaded firearm within reach.

[@localbod]

*their thoughts* 👍😎

[@colonelangus8247]

@@louisdisbury9759 someday the UK will be free.

[@louisdisbury9759]

@@colonelangus8247 We don't need firearms here its the world's safest country and unlike the Uk justice is fair and swift and everyone here is protected under the law without fear or favour,The beritish legal system has become totally corrupt and has far more to do with making money than protecting people.

[@AngloSaxonFreeBritain]

Im thankful you guys still are able to discuss this for now 🙏

[@localbod]

As you said, for now. 👍😎

[@mrkeeny]

‘Stirring up’ , how on earth could such a vague term ever make its way into law? Total *** take.

[@rwo5402]

use your common sense. when a mob has been "stirred up" on social media by your neighbour to trash your house and burn it down you'll understand....

[@Forthestate]

@@rwo5402 Rubbish. The legal term is 'incitement'. It is precise. It refers to a deliberate intention to motivate action. "Stirring up" is the kind of wooly terminology that should have no place in law. If I urge people to burn someone's house down, then I am inciting them to do just that. But people can be "stirred up" by invective that falls far short of direct incitement to violence, in which case they were not incited to violence but took it upon themselves to commit it. "Stirring up", as a legal term, is a good example of the kind of vague terminology which is an open invitation to abuse.

[@rwo5402]

@@Forthestate ...and so is dogwhisteling by the likes of cruella, farage, tice, etc. The people for which it is intended understand quite clearly what their masters want them to do. It's like the mafia bosses talking in code. Irrespective of the legalese that woman knew exactly what she wanted the mod to do. And I for once am happy that these people finally face pushback and accountability for their actions. For too long they have been getting away with it and if it now swings a bit the other way, that is perfectly fine with me and it doesn't curtail my free speech because I am not asking people to torch a hotel on social media.

[@Forthestate]

@@rwo5402 You begin by making dogwhistle criminal accusations which the people for whom they are intended quite clearly understand and which I've no doubt you are incapable of defending in a court of law should those accused choose to prosecute you, and you go on to compound your legal profligacy by suggesting that the law should be used to sanction your prejudice. Disgraceful behaviour.

[@cdrone4066]

This behavior by the government is frightening. How do people not see the future.

[@johnhunsley8860]

They aren't doing anything different to any other government and havent changed any laws. The law is quite clear. If you incite violence, regardless of what media you use, expect to go to jail if that incitment is carried out. If you incite violence online, expect to be treated exactly the same as if you'd done it in person.

[@alexgreen1767]

It is ironic as when a lot of these laws came into being the right wing was in support as they were being brought in with the stimulus of dealing with certain hook handed Muslim preachers.

[@adriennewalker1715]

Some of us saw the future before the election. And some folks didn’t even need to see the genesis and subsequent emergence of one world government, they were already hip to the threat way back in 1928.

[@gamerlest509]

​@@johnhunsley8860 I genuinely can't understand why people aren't understanding this. I agree with you 100%.

[@Paul_Holmes]

@@johnhunsley8860 yes, but it's taking a stretch of my brain to see how some of these things are actually "inciting" violence. Yes, if you consider someone with a retarded brain might be then yes, but should the test be what "reasonable" person would go and act on a social media post?

[@alexbowman7582]

Apparently Idi Amin said “I can guarantee free speech, I can’t guarantee freedom after speech though”.

[@kevinbpcl]

It's a terrible injustice to send people to jail for bad/naughty words. The absolutely sickening murder of 3 little girls, and the stabbing of many others, made people temporarily lose sense, and should have been a mitigating reason for a final warning not a prison sentence - that would have been the sensible and conciliatory thing to do. But the po-faced, pompous Judge stating 'it is so serious that an immediate custodial sentence is unavoidable' was a statement so out of touch with reality that it was similar to Marianne Antoinette saying 'let them eat cake'.

[@willhaylock3769]

When is violent disorder and riot excusable? - the sentencing guidelines are clear.

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

@@willhaylock3769 You say that but yet again as we have witnessed worse crimes have been let go and not convicted, like the men at the airport who seem to be treated with kid gloves. Or the mobs of Muslims who where also rioting and being violent during the riots.

[@madMARTYNmarsh1981]

​@willhaylock3769 when BLM do it?

[@airstripone2419]

​@willhaylock3769 when people are outraged at the murder of our children. There is a time to let people rage and stand back. If you were a mature adult, you'd understand this.

[@Llkolii]

The fact free speech absolutism has been equated as a far right issue says a lot. Modern societies advanced so much because of free speech. Its insanity.

[@doreenturner9284]

Once upon a time we had statesmen in this country. WHATEVER happened to "I may disagree totally with everything you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

[@tinaari88]

Same tactics were being used during covid and we can see it all now fear tactics etc …. Never admit guilty there’s no room in the prisons, so not guilty will be the way to go

[@redeyegooner]

So basically, you can speak out about whatever you want, just so long as it isn't against those with power or their vested interests.

[@VauxhallViva1975]

Communism. You can NEVER say ANTHING against the state or the position of the state.

[@ThomasDoubting5]

And that's how it's always been .

[@martinsigley3957]

Accusing people of being "thugs" is surely an incitement?

[@MrWshaw]

It doesn’t matter anymore, when we have corrupt judges and a corrupt system it doesn’t matter what is legal they will convict you either way. We allowed the system to get like this and unless we stand up against the government it will get worse. Remove all support and tax from the government and just don’t listen to them! Nearly 70million of us we don’t need to fight, just stand together

[@emm_arr]

"It doesn’t matter anymore, when we have corrupt judges" We don't, and you are recycling USA issues as UK problems. DISHONEST STUFF.

[@mickymondo7463]

So if a judge has a demonstrable track record of handing down non custodial sentences to serious nonce offenders, this should be seen as evidence of his character, that he has certain sympathies towards these types of offender

[@mathewgurney2033]

@@phill6859 How about a ditch ?

[@walkaz]

And today 2 tier is shown again as a man that mowed down a child and dragged her 100ft down the street is spared jail

[@leavemyrightsalone]

Reminds me of the film last action hero. "I've just killed a man, is anyone going to do anything about it?" I would shout, "Only if you called him a hurty word."

[@hotstepper887]

Welcome to fascist Britain, a country today, with easily, the least educated uncaring society, of all time. This country is finished. Many of us, are off, I know of at least 18 other families that are leaving our homeland to get away from the criminality of these governments. I'm lucky, I do have another home, a long way from this Island, I honestly don't see this country being around in under 5 years.

[@cryptotharg7400]

Family before country, always. And God above all.

[@TfortLo-q8m]

@@hotstepper887 where are they going exactly?

[@hotstepper887]

@@cryptotharg7400 What has that got top do with anything I've said? As for your God, claim? Do get an education, as that's simply an incredibly juvenile thought process you hold, right there.

[@hotstepper887]

@@TfortLo-q8m Many to Spain, some I know, have already gone to Thailand, we have a home in the Caribbean, and that's where we're off. While the rest of you, who've destroyed this country, with your very own uneducated idiocy, can carry on supporting Ukraine, that will see this country, merely removed from the planet, but hey, you'll all be OK, as you'll be protesting against Muslims, right? Breaking International law, against Russia, is apparently fine to all of you? And today, we unbelievably see many of you supporting Ukraine? So, you're only supporting exactly what our own grandparents, fought, and many died, fighting against, in WW2. Only as you're all hopelessly educated, you've no idea what I'm talking about, do you, lad?

[@hotstepper887]

@@phill6859 Really, so, you wanted to remain in the criminal EU? Why? So they could force the immigration laws on us? Force us to accept millions of refugees, and why? All in order to destroy European societies, to create their dream of a United States of Europe? Do you think there could just be something mentally wrong with you, maybe? As man, you are, indeed, one of these less educated members of our society, we're suffering from, today.

[@Alistair-c4p]

Laying the foundations for social credit scores?

[@wingzero2411]

The government is the issue not people's words...

[@ca5631]

If you pass so many laws that everybody is guilty and you prosecute so many people that they are deemed bad, when everbody has been prosecuted then what is the point of law?

[@gamerlest509]

What recently passed laws are you referring to?

[@johnmaurer2035]

What happens to people who threaten Nigel Farage online?

[@movarvo1217]

I've often thought this, his name literally gets dragged through the mud ! Even by the government! His enemies are small and frightened.

[@nigelgarrett7970]

Probably the same as people who threatened Gina Miller.

[@DanSnipe-k8o]

We don't want empty internet threats to put people in jail at all as laws will be used against white people more severely. It is stupid to support these laws.

[@johnmaurer2035]

@@movarvo1217 It's the same principle.

[@MsOpportunity68]

Bad character is one step towards minority report, where people will be convicted for the crimes that they may commit in the future. By all accounts I should be convicted for murder or theft because I enjoy playing Doom, Grand Theft Auto or Sekiro with that line of thinking.

[@iancarrington1967]

Starmer calling me far right caused me offence and distress, I expect the Stasi to be knocking on his door?

[@Craft-oh7uv]

You mush call him comrade

[@LunaticKD1991]

Imagine being sent to jail because someone doesn't like your opinions or what you have to say. Lock up those locking others up for this nonsense.

[@twsbibanghorn7343]

Why plead guilty or not guilty as isn't there a third option? Isn't pleading begging and throwing yourself on another for mercy? This is not legal advice! What about stating "There is no case to answer!"? Did you commit a hate crime? Is it actually a crime? And as BBB said, don't they have to prove intent?

[@twsbibanghorn7343]

@@phill6859 Phil, where did I mention who you are referring to? Wasn't the only one I mentioned BBB?

[@ChimpingBulldog]

​@@twsbibanghorn7343 Phil thinks he's clever. 😂😂😂

[@AB-cg9np]

Herr Stormtrooper continues to strike.

[@williampotato1221]

Communism creeping in folks 😢.

[@Bethoflife]

It's happening all over the world.

[@TheBedey]

Again, why is this communism?

[@philhawley1219]

It's totalitarianism. Absolute control of your entire life,where you go, what you must 'think', the people you meet. Everything will be scrutinized by the powers.

[@mydamnedunited8429]

​@@TheBedey Educate yourself

[@nigelgarrett7970]

​@@mydamnedunited8429 So make assertions with no evidence then if anyone questions you they are thick?

[@atnorthabc]

Sadly I voted for this government and I really have a bad feeling this prime minister is going to use the law as a tool for suppression of thought and speech. I’m personally afraid to look up when out walking just in case I offended someone and end up in court listening to this conversation just enforced that fear. It’s going to be interesting to see what else we see in the next 4 years.

[@Forthestate]

If you weren't aware that Keir Starmer and the Labour Party are at the forefront of woke ideology that is determined to suppress freedom not only of speech but of thought then, frankly, you along with the rest of the small minority that voted for them are inexcusably ignorant and responsible for the worst political decision the electorate of this country has ever made. We have been likened to a nation that has begun to awaken from its shameful slumber when we are 8 nil down and ten minutes from the end of the game. You've got what you deserve. Sadly, those of us - the majority - who don't deserve what's coming will be victims as well.

[@RichardPhillips1066]

Tbf most people didn't realise he was a lunatic

[@Forthestate]

@@RichardPhillips1066 Tbf, 80% didn't vote for him, a large percentage of whom knew he was a dangerous WEF ideologue, and said so, repeatedly. The 20% who did vote for him were and are indeed clueless, mindless ignoramuses, despite ample evidence of the man's true nature over several years. Salving your conscience by pretending that the majority were clueless, rather than owning up to the fact that the minority were dumb enough to vote for him and his authoritarian goons, is about as pathetic as it gets.

[@macfaichen2658]

Is it really bad character ? Or just someone frustrated at a governing body that refuses to listen and wanting someone to hear one’s fears and frustrations.

[@WildBill-py6vn]

Well shut all social media sites down simple

[@grahamogorman7831]

Then Starmer should be held to account for "obtain benefit by deception" as should all polititions that don't enact promises that got them elected.

[@leanneclare3750]

A great vid taking me back to law school days when Bad Character and Similar fact evidence was given short shift by the criminal lecturer. How far we have come. Thank you both.

[@Ricardoteh345rd]

knew that one day social media platforms would become an alleged political weapan and that's why I never signed up for any publication social media like fb x insta etc. And it's happened

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

Honestly this never should have been convicted, The Woman was emotionally distressed and upset over recent events, she had a mad moment of emotions online, we all do it at some point. Yes she was ranting about burning people, she should be warned not to threaten people. But a sentence really? I think that is too far. Especially when people with worse charges have been let go or even been dismissed from court. The problem with the defence by the Judge saying that 'it is the law' is utterly useless when others are seen being let off for much worse things. It forms the appearance of two tier in the courts and policing. Does not matter if it's true or not once people think they see it that way they will act as if it is that way. Worse is this will now make people doubt the judges, police, even lawyers/barristers will not be trusted by people. The likes of Starmer are fine with destroying the public trust in the legal system for their short term political gains. But in the long run when the legal system and courts are now viewed as villains by the General public and people refuse to obey it and law and order break down, then what?

[@rog2224]

"we all do it at some point." How many times have you suggested a lynching based on the word of someone pending a human trafficking trial?

[@theolddog5129]

In the US mass shootings occur and the shooters claim similar "mitigating circumstance". A person who acts irrationally when under emotional perturbance is potentially a danger to society.

[@ohdearism]

Firstly, Starmer hasn't passed any legislation as yet. Secondly, millions of ordinary people were upset by the event, yet none of us felt the need to post racial hatred and encourage arson and murder. Because that's what a psychopath does or someone so unhinged that they cannot control their emotions. Go see a shrink ffs.

[@harmonicresonanceproject]

@@rog2224 Ricky Jones went much further. Much much much further.

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

@@rog2224 Human trafficking? We're on about the stabbing at the dance event.

[@nickdawson9270]

Society has changed in my lifetime and so how the law is enforced seems to have changed. Racism used to be an acceptable form of discrimination. Then it applied only in aspects of life such as employment and housing. Now the word is applied to any comment that alludes to even the most subtle racial distinction. Over time the natural human trait of discrimination has become criminalised as enshrined in the misnamed Equalities Act 2010.

[@Llkolii]

the road to hell...

[@nigelgarrett7970]

Two questions. Have you ever been on the receiving end of racial discrimination? Slavery used to be an acceptable form of discrimination in our society. Was it appropriate to get rid of that?

[@DanSnipe-k8o]

It was Jewish MP Frank Soskice who brought in the 1965 Race relations act (written by the Jewish board of deputies). There was another in 1968. Later acts were brought in by Jewish MPs Leon Brittanski and Malcolm Rivkind and Greville Janner.

[@ohdearism]

How would you define subtle racial discrimination? Yes, it was Tory legislation, yet the reactionaries are blaming everyone else other than themselves, after voting Tory all their lives.

[@nigelgarrett7970]

@@DanSnipe-k8o Misinformation. Could also be more.

[@Elfin4]

It's starting to get uncomfortable to the point that when you do write a comment you don't feel you have the freedom to express your opinion in a democratic society in fear of legal recourse.

[@iancarrington1967]

I thought people had a right to bail unless there were good reasons not to grant it? In that case how can starmer state people will not be granted bail, is it not supposed to be at the discretion of the judge? We now live under a dictatorship where the state and the judiciary are one and the same, I will not comply with tyranny.

[@asambrook76]

Maybe we could all take a look back generally at what Kier Starmer has posted online? I seem to remember he was very critical of the 'two-tier justice system' (his words) once upon a time...

[@purpledeflector904]

I got convicted for sending sweary emails to a a police sergeant who had told me to drop a complaint under threat of reputational damage… found a lot of lies in my detention logs (which is par for the course, apparently). Custody sergeant tried to have me sectioned without assessment too. Turned my life upside down for a good couple of years (I worked in schools and entry level social work roles) however I am laughing now, as I have entered the civil service via the GFIE pathway (for army vets and people with criminal records). Am on the best wage I ever had and feel much more settled in employment. It’s a funny old system we have…

[@martinwilliams9866]

The rational that because gang members listen to "gang rap music" so if you listern to that type of music you must be or are likely to be a gang member is known in logic as affirming the consequent, or the converse error.

[@jonahtwhale1779]

This is the new Post Office Scandel.

[@01cthompson]

I'm waiting for Radio Free Europe to start directing content to the UK

[@richardager1861]

Love the way you guys sharing your experience here! The principles of fairness, amongst other things, are so important. Also, the proportionate application of the law in specific circumstances, and again the proportionate application of sentencing. Thanks so much!

[@sharonstone-bh1zp]

THAT is not freedom ,,,!!!!!!

[@nicholaswright3801]

Who gave the authority for the government to do whatever they like? Do we have to just take future laws no matter how nonsensical they get? I understand stopping the incitement of violence but a lot of these convictions do not meet that criteria I’m afraid.

[@justinclayton3022]

The people give Parliament the authority to make news laws by voting for Members of Parliament at General election. If you don't like your MP, vote for someone else next time.

[@snodgee]

Why didn’t anyone say anything when these laws were going through parliament by previous governments

[@localbod]

When you say 'anyone', who do you mean? The political opposition in the House of Commons at the time? The general public? Journalists and the print media?

[@snodgee]

@@localbod anyone with a brain

[@localbod]

@@snodgee Politicians of whichever political leaning only care about themselves and desire more control and power. In my opinion, most of them are sociopathic. The MSM is owned and has no semblance of objectivity anymore if it ever really had any in the first place. So, journalists were never going to highlight that new legislation. And the general public, for the most part, are too busy working or being distracted by videos of skateboarding ducks, talent shows, gossip about celebrities, etc..., etc..., to be bothered with political issues.

[@nolaparker9574]

Facebook reminds you what you said 10 years ago by showing it to you.

[@Paul_Holmes]

But why do all these people plead guilty? Spend time in jail while you wait for your trial and have a chance the prosecution can't prove their case, or spend even longer in prison? Are these people being given objective and fair advise or are solicitors towing the establishment line?

[@fhenderson8925]

Can't all afford to spend time waiting.

[@chadimirputin2282]

They've probably been told to plead guilty or face years in prison.

[@DanSnipe-k8o]

We will have to wait to find out if they are being manipulated.

[@markpaul1154]

@@chadimirputin2282 And got an extended sentence for doing so, quite clear they are building the show hanging gallows, only an absolute fool would plead guilty.

[@markpaul1154]

@@fhenderson8925 its prison or prison until unproven

[@MrFoxxRaven]

It's a good job my social media resembles a fever dream, I challenge anyone to find coherent thought in what I post. 😂

[@theolddog5129]

You are in the majority, only most do not realise as you have!

[@QueenBabylonnia]

To just look for that type of text to make the person look bad, means that any good general texts are going to be ignored… Therefore they are not presenting a truthful account of that persons character…. So it looks like a ‘witch hunt’ by witch finder generals.

[@nigelgarrett7970]

Isn't finding good general texts the job of the defence?

[@sysdevman]

The last phrase of the sentence in Lucy Connolly's post read 'for all I care' which indicates a statement of preference or feelings. So is it incitement. Is it hate speech?

[@WelshWoman23]

I love both yours and Al's channels, different styles but equally interesting content about our strange UK laws. thank you both!

[@stuartmenziesfarrant]

They need to watch what they say!

[@slydawgg]

I will never understand whats going on at the moment.

[@Korwin_Mikke23]

World Economic Forum.

[@AlienBigCat23]

You may do later. Hindsight is 20/20..

[@FoolShortOG]

Imposed communism from global elites, look at the Chinese cultural revolution, how they destroyed the old to bring in the new, in this case a population who cares not for European culture. Here, to ultimately replace the values and ties to the past. It's truly worrisome how similar the tactics are.

[@slydawgg]

I do know its the take over by the WEF….Starmer injecting their ideologies.Its the sentencing from capture to prison in 2 days i have trouble with.

[@chadimirputin2282]

Political prosecutions. 👍

[@VultureUk-Rich]

Its easy come off social media lad you don't need it

[@SAS-vx1jk]

@@VultureUk-Rich but we need to know what is going on

[@GeorgeyTheApe]

@@VultureUk-Rich troll comment detected.

[@GeorgeyTheApe]

@@VultureUk-Rich Yeah I'm sure I'm the only person in this comment section who thinks having to verify your identity to post an opinion is an awesome idea. You're just the typical bootlicker I see in every single comment section online. "So what if the government are going to castrate people if they wear red shirts on a Wednesday? This is just the government looking out for us. If you don't like it don't wear red on a Wednesday, duh."

[@moormoor4281]

In God we trust

[@JamesCarmichael]

What confusing me is what are people actually pleading guilty or not guilty to in the first place? Pleading guilty to the fact that you wrote something should be pretty self evident and useless, shouldn't it? If you've got direct evidence to what a person wrote then why bother asking someone if they did it or not? Beyond that are you pleading to the the idea that your post is somehow hurtful or inciting violence? Then in that case wouldn't it be up to interpretation anything short of direct instructional words? I want to be absolutely clear here, I am not talking about people who are clearly inciting violence. We've seen evidence of that and of course those people should be prosecuted, but we've seen other things that surly are nothing more than opinion be prosecuted. Isn't it the job of the prosecution to prove your intent? Facebook asks "What's on your mind?" when you write something as a post. It's not asking "What do you want people to do?" Also isn't the public supposed to be diverse now? I mean if you got 400 friends on facebook clearly not all 400 of those people will agree with you. Freedom of speech allows other people to challenge you and open up discourse. More dialogue is what gets people to change their minds, not less.

[@springfauna1465]

I remember watching that defamation case Al was referring to, and how the makeup she allegedly used hadn't even been manufactured yet at the time!! My friends and I got the biggest kick out of that one!! I think part of what made that trial so entertaining to watch (for me anyway) were the lawyers!! You had one lawyer who was totally inept, and another that was a real spitfire!! We were all glad justice was served in the end!!!

[@Must_not_say_that]

I think we are all tired of this dreadful injustice and you two discussing the law may be interesting to yourselves but it is irrelevant when there is an obvious abuse of the law to bring about injustice and the suffering of others. No one can live by law, the law is only to find out breaches of it and is not Justice. Especially not when laws are framed to exclude intent. Bad law can only bring about injustice. Justice has been lost sight of, replaced by law and as a result there is widespread loss of trust in the system and the courts have been brought into disrepute. The courts themselves show bad character. Evidence longer than your arm can be shown. Ironically the courts are so keen on contempt of court whilst behaving contempibly. As always those in power are able to persecute those without power, that is all that is going on now. The law is merely being used to promote that. Lawfare the modern method.

[@raymondwarth2359]

UK needs a Bill of Right. Protect free speech.

[@justinclayton3022]

Human Right Act already protects freedom of expression. But inciting violence / murder / racial hatred is, IOM, excluded

[@theolddog5129]

@@justinclayton3022 Usually the same people who want a Bill of Roights want to get rid of the Human Rights Act!

[@kenmerry2729]

Why is the government directing what the police do?

[@dougsaunders8109]

Interesting music analogy, grime music is a statement of bad taste in my opinion, but nothing more than that, my opinion. Gang related no more than me listening to heavy metal makes me a bike gang member

[@martyndawson7484]

...Or liking the Communards means you are Gay?

[@fionawhiteford2128]

Im still confused and anxious ..it seems like the goal posts are being changed so the lay person has very little hope of understanding the british legal system or the interpretation of the law ... Is being angry and expressing it now illegal ?? Thank you for attempting to explain ..unfortunately i have no legal background and no legal training . I know enough however to have heard the phrase "Ignorance of the law is no defense " Which seems grossly unfair ... Surely if this is to be true our primary and secondary education should include as compulsary the british legal system .

[@theolddog5129]

Surely you don't need to be told at school that telling pople to carry out extreme acts of violence is going to be unlawful and likely to lead to consequences?

[@comment3711]

I wonder if they will eventually start checking social media posts of people visiting the country. They do in Iran.

[@happydog4862]

Delete that platform.

[@iancarrington1967]

So we can keep silent in fear of the Stasi or speak our minds and f Starmer . My father gave his youth to defend freedom and no tinpot dictator on a power trip will prevent me from giving my opinion. Our country is riddled with violent crime largely due to imported criminals, many of our cities look more like Calcutta than Cardiff. The tide must turn, we need to take our country back and run it for the people whose ancestors built and defended it from all manner of barbarians.

[@PoliticalprisonUK]

What about jury nullification to these tyrannical legislations?

[@martineyles]

You need to be especially careful with Reddit. If anyone has replied to something and you later delete the post, it still shows up as if it were not deleted, just with the word deleted next to it.

[@googoo554]

Thank you

[@AlienBigCat23]

Ahh.. the 'olden days'.. I miss them

[@amcluesent]

Another of Stasi Starmer's political prisoners

[@mary50-tl7hi]

How do the sussex squad, tesa tells and murad get away with threatening commentscto youtubers and Princess Catherine and the children.

[@mezzamuddle]

Good question 🤔

[@stuartmenziesfarrant]

Alex Bellfield was an early victim of this injustice.

[@adblocker276]

Surely past Tory government who passed these laws should get the most amount of blame.

[@EdMcF1]

Labour passed the changes to 'bad character' c. 2007, but the Conservatives left them in place.

[@raspberrytreacle]

Any update on Ricky Jones?

[@GEODUCK9]

@@raspberrytreacle Update? From the 9th August... He was remanded and next court date is pre trial hearing on 6th September. Should you really be relying on youtube for public domain news you can get from source simply by looking?

[@raspberrytreacle]

This Friday at Westminster. Thanks

[@raspberrytreacle]

@@GEODUCK9 that's what KZbin is for. You haven't told me anything I already knew. Always try more than one source. Thanks

[@GEODUCK9]

@@raspberrytreacle You can look up many sources as you wish, they will all tell you the same unless court date has changed 😂 No, youtube you will find is for videos and advertising 😂😂😂

[@raspberrytreacle]

@@GEODUCK9 🤡

[@moormoor4281]

Yiddishnes Yiddish Yiddishnes from PM

[@suzanneevans4157]

But you can break a police officers nose at an airport and walk free around Manchester as if it never happened.

[@emm_arr]

No. You can't.

[@forresta65]

the UK has become a place of fear. A sad state of affairs.

[@Llkolii]

Love the discussion on bad character, very enlightening. Glad you're both giving such context, but it is concerning that being a 'bad person' seems to be creeping towards criminal

[@torgenxblazterzoid]

It was once said that English common law is a modern miracle. What I’ve just witnessed in this video is two men, both lawyers, quite fairly,discussing the application of those *common laws* in our current alleged legal system.

[@josephfredbill]

Please address the Sarah Wilkinson case.

[@Smasheditin66]

@BlackBeltBarrister won’t ! She was calling for peace ☮️ not hate

[@nickdawson9270]

Are previously recorded NCHIs,of which the accused may not be aware, admissible? They might erroneously convey bad character.

[@moormoor4281]

God's law is my only law

[@alexgreen1767]

What a lovely father and son chat. Daniel, that black square sound proofing thing on the wall behind is framing your head perfectly in this video. It almost makes you look like you are wearing a ming the merciless head dress..

[@rjb10101]

Shut up, sit down, do as I say Kier

[@emm_arr]

You can't even get the name right. Lame.

[@chachatruth]

I find anything i go to stramir & ask him is this true & then put in what is wrong about it! Asking him why he did this. By bringing it out Your showing I know your doing wrong.

[@m3gthraeryn]

Hi Dan, Hi Al!

[@Username18981]

Make friends with an American and have them say it.

[@cynthiayarger9757]

@username18981 - for now - that’s true - we do still have free speech in the U.S. However, we also have people in power, or those connected to them, openly discussing the need to restrict speech. One adviser close to Kamala Harris referred to the Constitution as “a piece of paper” that shouldn’t be allowed to get in the way of progress.Depending on how the election goes - the U.S. will be in the same sinking boat.

[@kevinrobb86]

I watched a video earlier the guy is a retired prison officer and he said that the government is looking at Albania I think it was or one of these eastern European countries and because they have space in their jails, probably because most of their criminals are in our jails, and are considering sending people there for jail terms but I would imagine human rights would put a stop to that unless of course they are from that country