Wiggins Faces Bankruptcy Over £1M Debt & Geraint Thomas’ Big Blowout - The Wild Ones Podcast Ep. 23

Welcome back to another episode of The Wild Ones! This week we chat about a very rude-looking saddle, a crisis facing Bradley Wiggins and Geraint Thomas’ candid admission about how he spends his off season. We also make some funny cycling predictions, play more Overrated or Underrated and answer a listeners’ question about sportives.
Here’s the full rundown:
00:00 Francis’ training struggles
01:22 WTF is this saddle!?
05:47 Bradley Wiggins in crisis
12:56 Geraint Thomas’ boozy off-season antics
17:46 Our outrageous cycling predictions
28:20 Overrated/Underrated: Endurance bikes
30:16 Overrated/Underrated: Cycling in cold weather
34:36 Overrated/Underrated: Waking up early
38:56 Overrated/Underrated: Pierce Brosnan as James Bond
41:58 Overrated/Underrated: Bone conducting headphones
43:27 Fluff Up Of The Week
45:41 How to prepare for your first sportive
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[@Chris.Robison]

British cycling need to create a “park run” but for bikes. Local to everyone, free, weekly, ride any bike, timed etc.

[@DPANDALEE]

Yes, this no-brainer was suggested within BC at the start of the HSBC sponsorship, but nothing came of it.

[@flatorange]

Like a cycling club doing club runs?

[@MattSwain1]

Logistically impossible in the UK as many towns barely have space for a parkrun let alone what would be needed to do it on bikes, making it safe for people of all abilities. It would be an insurance nightmare as well. Not saying that I don’t like the idea but I can well see why it hasn’t happened

[@urbanjungle9600]

Putting British Cycling and free in the same sentence is clearly a non starter 😂

[@danjames4086]

That would be an awesome idea, but sadly I can see the pitfalks that would make this difficult to organise.

[@Samridesbikes]

Won a place on the LeBlanq Ibiza trip last month. Ended up on a night out with Geraint Thomas and 3 lads I met on the trip after the hotel bar called last orders. Stumbled back to the hotel at 5am before getting up at 9am for a 100km ride. One of the best nights out of my life, grateful to be a part of G's blowout! Absolutely surreal experience

[@mahanmoshir]

People in Belgium know Sir Bradley very well. He was born in Ghent (Flanders, Belgium). And he has a special connection with Six Days in Ghent, which he won twice.

[@charlied1675]

I like the format. Eclectic, interesting, covers stuff for serious and not-so-serious riders. Doesn't devolve into product placement or childish/fake banter. I think you've hit the sweet spot of biking podcasts.

[@charlesholland6851]

Don’t forget the ky jelly. And don’t hit a jump! Or maybe do it a jump. 😅

[@markjthomson]

Sounds like you had the first generation of BC headphones. The later ones are a lot better quality in terms of transfer to the bone, they work really well and others can't hear them at all. It's a horses for courses thing. They are excellent for listening to spoken words, and are ok for music. They are great for people with some types of damage to their ears as it can by-pass the issue. I love mine for riding.

[@BrianRPaterson]

Spot on. As a Shokz user, I agree entirely.

[@THEGEEK2001]

i apprciate your down to earth and real view, looking at 400 £ bikes and being real people, sometimes feels GNC is just so stuck up in the high end stuff its impossible to relate

[@merckxy54]

Relaxing to sit and listen to you two just chatting away as you do!

[@Cycling-through-cancer]

You guys are going from strength to strength. A very enjoyable show. Keep up the good work.

[@tiiimmmaaayyyy3616]

All prize money should be based on money the race brings in and the length of the race. The comedy 007 was David Niven and Peter Sellers I think.

[@BrianRPaterson]

Correct. It was also called Casino Royale. The theme tune lyrics said, "seven James Bonds died at Casino Royale!"

[@stefaanverschelde5852]

Awesome show guys, i love listening to these while doing indoor sessions during winter now. Are these casts also available on spotify ?

[@markday1714]

damn it ! you guys owe me a new laptop, laughing and drinking a cuppa at the same time makes for a very wet keyboard. great content,all the best

[@rodfuchs6932]

I look forward to the 3 of you talking about all things cycling and some things pop culture. Keep making content and doing what you love.

[@marcing7684]

It's my absolute favourite podcast of late. Great job boys and girls

[@HappyYouTube265]

Great show as always!

[@user-qs7rg9fn5p]

Back in the 90's Selle Italia produced a saddle fairing I believe called the lumbar support. It was used with Turbo saddles.

[@cwmitch2]

Always watch these but never comment till now. Really enjoy them also luv that Francis is becoming a grumpy old man 🤣

[@hoyhoy42]

I rode 4000 miles this year using a Redshift Pro stem on my Emonda and the internal plastic shim that holds the elastomers in place cracked. Yes I used a torque wrench to install it. Yes I pushed down on the stem when tightening the T25 screw.

[@BrianRPaterson]

Beg to differ. Shokz are great. They're the most waterproof phones I've ever used. Rain and sweat have killed every other kind I have had. But my Shokz have stood up to everything for more than year. No issues. Oh, and the battery lasts 10 hours on charge. Cheers

[@marcusconnor7986]

Lazenby is underrated as you get the rare experience of a compassionate Bond.

[@stevenmacinnis6364]

100% George Lazenby bond massively underrated

[@esmec4928]

So true about the geometry. Literally why I ride the gravel bike with road wheels. Terrible performance on the road but my back doesn't hurt. Swings and roundabouts!

[@stephenmoore4651]

As a person at home, I normally don't understand a word either of you say, but strangely, when Jimmi communicated with you without speaking I understood every word - and I completely agree with him.

[@johncoates6039]

Cervelo from about 2011 till 2014 had relaxed geometry and they went back to aggressive.

[@eloyanzola]

27:17 has one of the most insightful cycling industry comments I’ve heard in a long while. Solid entry level bikes, lfg!

[@Demand68]

Francis makes a great point about “normal people’s version” of pro bikes at 19:40 . It’s essentially how tennis racquets are marketed. Murray endorses Head’s Radical line, but uses something else that’s painted as the current Radical that’s in the shops. His actual version is not suitable for the average player, but the one sold to the public is a tamer racquet. Same could go for bike geometry.

[@matthewlewis2072]

Trek did that with their 'H2' geometry. Do they still do it? No. Why? Errrr...

[@AliHAfshar]

Love seeing Jimmi so happy.

[@robertrjm8115]

When I stepped on my Specialized Roubaix Model 2015, my whole body felt at easy and after 8 to 10h or 100 miles on the bike I am tired but still "relaxed" except that my arthritis in the hands is playing up but at 70 that is not cycling related.

[@mattszrejter6785]

You guys are 💯 % correct on that brands need to make something to lure new clients. Once they are hooked they will come back. Giant makes the Contend 2. It’s not $500 but it’s pretty close at about $800. My 1st bike was a 2019 Giant Anyroad 2 gravel bike for $850. I loved that thing and I knew I was hooked and turned around and bought the 2021 Giant Propel Adv Pro 1 for $4,700. Even stayed brand loyal.

[@Philatlondon1]

The Jake Martin getting up method reminded me of the 'Jakeaway', aka the doomed early move in a road race.

[@IanHulme]

Looking forward to listening to this one! I nearly missed it as there's no wild ones podcast in the title. Who am I kidding, I watch every single video you and the team make! Lovely.

[@lifeincycling]

Do you even watch the Cade Media Extra ones where nothing is extra but more like clippings from main channel?

[@IanHulme]

@@lifeincycling admittedly no.

[@charliecook6909]

So funny you guys are talking about James bond , currently watching them from start to finish ,pierce brosnon is my favourite James bone , goldeneye 👌 playing it on the n64 as a kid was the best 🤣 great podcast again guy 😀

[@rellimnitsujgmail]

Great show! Shokz headphones are definitely UNDER-rated, however. I've been using them for a few years to listen to music or audiobooks while I'm out cycling. I can still hear traffic, any sort of drivetrain issues (i.e. chain rub), or hear my Varia beeping. The sound quality of the latest ones is excellent; there's not much bass because of how they work, but mids and highs are very good. I'd argue that it's the only safe way to listen to audio while cycling... Also, they're fully waterproof so you can sweat all over them or even wear them in the shower after your ride. A+

[@sempi8159]

What kind of musik do you listen too? Im very interested in these headphones

[@laurenross5305]

Something a bit random, I would love to see you guys get a hold of a few different Surly bikes to test ride. I used to have Specialized and Giant bikes, but their geometry didnt work for me. Ive since fallen in love with Surly. Now I have a rigid Karate Monkey and a drop bar Bridge Club.

[@cantunamunch]

Snow is an insulator. The ground is warmer than the air temps - so its a lot easier for free water to form ice if it isn't insulated from circulating air.

[@alienaudaxer9827]

The George Lazenby Bond film has some exceptional snow based sequences and one of the best soundtracks. Including Louis Armstrong's "We Have All the Time in the World" which he poignantly performed knowing he was close to death. I recommend watching the Bond films oldest to newest BTW.

[@peterharrington8709]

Yes the final Danial Craig movie also has a significant call back to that Lazenby film. Very well worth a watch.

[@alynlambert4855]

I think the boys need to know that there was only one George Lazenby film... won't take Jimmy long to choose which one to watch now :)

[@chrisjoyce5539]

After shocks are game changer, for long rides and be able hear traffic. Decathlon sell waterproof cycling trousers with fitted over shoes, for commuting it's great. Keep feet dry😊

[@Velotv_Uk]

Pinarello offer the often referred to short and tall model at quite a few price points just as a heads up 4.5k through and up to a Dogma-X varient at the typical flagship price points. 👍🏻

[@aftengdur0]

So timely - I was just thinking if I should wake up early tomorrow and go out for a ride in -4 degrees. Off road, but still.

[@theonemanopinion2764]

Can you please make the podcast 56 minutes long! my commute is that long and I love listening to it. When it’s 50 minutes long I feel all sad and alone as it’s quiet in my head for 6 minutes lol

[@TikeMyson69]

Set playback speed to 0.9x

[@user-np6gw4qv6o]

The bone conducting headphones actually do work. Play some music and then put your fingers in your ears. The sound quality goes up tremendously. It's crazy how they work. I've head about 5 pairs so far. Mainly because my dogs loves chewing them up

[@jimgriffin7367]

As a hard to get up in the morning, I use a light like what Emily said AND I use ALARMY. I always had tons of alarms set, but Alarmy, I just do one or two.

[@dominicbritt]

British Cycling had £8 million a year from HSBC, but spent it all on running Crits and junior races that no one watches. You might argue this is grass roots at some level, but doesn't do anything to get people on bikes - road safety campaign might have been a better subject to focus on...

[@nernsteinstien]

But they aren’t a cycling as a transport organisation, they are the governing body for cycling as a sport.

[@solentfoiler5969]

Bone conducting headphones - using them to listen to you now! They do work as described. If I stick my fingers in my ears, I can still hear you lot in my head... 😱 Main issue I have with them is you lose a lot of bass, so music doesn't sound great, and wind noise can drown out what you're listening to making them a bit redundant when riding but fine for running. Other people hearing what you're listening to is about the same as other in ear headphones...

[@alienaudaxer9827]

For sportives don't totally rely on the feed zones. If you're slow like me they could be sparse. I heard that Mallorca312 this spring ran out of water which is not ideal.

[@connorhignell5155]

Please tell me that ad break straight after “British Cycling…” was on purpose 😂😂

[@kipcc3918]

Not Emily saying “ No, Don’t comeback. “ 🤣🤣

[@DjCringefest]

i once got an alarmclock that was suspended between two big wheels. it goes off and the wheels start spinning, it launches from the nightstand and bounces around the room and you start a frantic chase which ends up under the bed somewhere. i used it once and it was horrible... nothing like a heartattack to wake you up in the morning

[@PhilOsGarage]

Ahhhh, clocky, a device of pure chaos.

[@chokeizm]

its the bmxer here who used to hate anyone on bikes with leggins etc lol i now rate them and now go past them saying cade media over teddington lock daily LOOL may sound like a kid but in my 30s LOLOL love your content no intrest in it well the bikes etc but still got me glued from start to finish amazing content sorry to sound so spazzy guys / people

[@jamesbann3577]

I'm gonna go look up that squishy seat post that was mentioned.

[@justsomedude7556]

I love my Aftershokz, I have 3 sets, 1 for work, 1 for bikes outside, and 1 for inside. Work beautifully

[@stevenhowes530]

Me too, I just wished they fit better with hats. I had to cut my hat to fit them into place.

[@justsomedude7556]

@@stevenhowes530 Which model do you have as I found the ones my wife uses, the which are a couple of years old, were called OpenMove, I do not like the way they fit my head, but I found the OpenRun and the older name Aeroplex did not interfere with my glasses, hats, or helmets

[@andyand100]

Hey guys I’ve been riding second hand wiggle special 105 8. Kg before this I had Evans dolomite 6 shop soiled from 650£ 10 years ago 7.5 kg got me to being a all weather cyclist 200 miles a week my kom were getting to work on time love my bike still great pod

[@kadenlindsey358]

Look at the alloy diverge, its the cheapest of the lineup and it has relaxed geometry without all the gimmicky stuff...

[@rayF4rio]

That saddle is for greater control when no-hands riding. Its amazing!! Try it.

[@TnFruit]

it's possible to throw future shock out of the roubaix and put a stiff aftermarket replacement in. 😊

[@Hi.Im.Andrew]

Loving these podcasts!

[@MacMasore]

23:03 toe overlap is not really an issue on road (or even gravel) bikes. And more seatpost can have the added benefit of more comfort

[@logojones96]

Geraint is goated. Don’t recommend getting pissed all the time but love him, and you need that balance forsure. I know trek was doing a race and relaxed version of their bikes for awhile, not sure if they still do

[@stewieDM]

Sadly George Lazenby only made the one Bond film, On Her Majesty's Secret Service which is not as bad as people make out. You have to remember he was taking over from Sean Connery, also there was no theme song just an instrumental, and of all the Bond films it has far fewer gadgets for Bond to play with.

[@antonioCsilveira]

Bone induction headphones are underrated, I think you guys should try it again. You guys are not correct on your description, there is no external sound, and people riding with you cannot hear what you are hearing. It is life changing for me, I can ride and rear what is happening around me.

[@kazaroth]

100% agree about bikes being too long. I’m 6’4”/193cm with long legs and a shorter body. There is literally no bike on the whole market that fits me. Looking into a custom steel right now - seems like genuinely the only answer.

[@PaulTheCyclist.]

George Lazenby only made one James Bond Film and I am sure it was called Thunderball. And I am so glad that I purchased a Merida Scultura Endurance as it fits my needs at over 50.

[@grahambird4135]

Lazenby made the best Bond of all ‘On Her Majesty’s Secret Service’ once the black sheep Bond picture now regarded as the Crown Jewel it cost £6 million dollars to make in 1969 it grossed 87 million Worldwide far from the failure it was claimed to be, through DVD sales and streaming now one of the most successful, and an incredible film at that a cut above all other Bond pictures the reason it was so good was it stayed true to the book in the hands of a great director Peter Hunt along with Diana Rigg and Lazenby who were perfectly cast.

[@ncc1107]

Everytime I hear about lacking relaxed geometry, I'm grateful I got lucky with my gravel bike actually being quite comfortable.

[@tyneskipper]

from an 'up your neck of the way' perspective - have you seen that North Tyneside council are building a bike/ped route from north shields to blyth? about time they're doing this. whaddyathink?

[@pHEEEEEEEEEEE]

Canyon endurace is quite similiar to ultimate race bike and stack/reach ratio is very relaxed

[@bikelawman]

Nights out in Cardiff as chaos? - totally true. Saw a drunk woman push another to the ground on Caroline St, soiling her victim’s gleaming white dress. The victim got up, covered in grime, walked in to the chip shop and bought chips and curry sauce specially to use it as a weapon. Never seen that before or since. 😂

[@Philatlondon1]

I love my Shokz bone conduction headphones.

[@GNerdful]

I was waiting for this to start washing dishes and preparing tomorrow's lunch. edit: wiggins story reminds of one of the rocky movies (4?) where he loses his fortune due to a bad accountant

[@elononoras1902]

I love to wake up early and just chill, not really do much, maybe sit on the bench enjoy the sunrise, brush a dog. So chill.

[@abstractgroove160]

George Lazenby only did one film, On Her Majesty's Secret Service. It's one of the best Bond movies - so much so that there's homages to it in No Time to Die and Spectre. Inception has a nod to it as well. It's a proper cult classic.

[@pedelar7261]

whats the microphone you guys are using? sounds awesome!

[@theantler3625]

Canyon Endurace correct fitting bike :)

[@chasc301]

Jimmy properly Zen like in this episode. Enjoyed his take on death and accepting (correctly) circs when not completing an event. Wise words.

[@henrylees7814]

Back in the day Burton snowboards brought out the Vapour, their most expensive board. Which had all the most high end tech and weight saving of the top boards but rode like the Air, the entry level board of the time. It was specifically designed for the more-money-than-talent individuals who could afford the best and wanted the bragging rights but went once a year and a pro level board would be no fun for them. It’s exactly what specialized should have done with the aethos, and why dura-ace should be made with lower gearing, they would sell a shitload.

[@maxk.7134]

I think the new giant defy looks very need, but i cant juge the geometry.

[@malcontent_1]

Emily reminded me of a funny commercial here in the USA by Progressive Insurance called "There's a Podcast for That"

[@2.old4this]

Old adage for training: ‘If you don’t do the miles - you’ll never do the miles” so, apply the British Army’s 7Ps: ‘Prior Planning & Preparation Prevent Pathetically (Piss in Army-speak) Poor Performance.’ If you’re entering a 5/ 20/ 30/ 50/ 100/ 200 km/mile ride make sure you can do the distance - by doing that distance once, in the weeks before the event - allowing for recovery time before the actual event. Oh, if you need an alarm? Our Lab lets us know at 0645 every morning that she gets fed at 7 a.m. we call it ‘Polly-O’clock’ (Polly is our Lab). Love your podcasts: are you going to mention the demise of GCN+ ?

[@cneubert28]

This is my favorite episode. That might be slightly swayed by the fact I was mentioned.

[@TheGabriel959]

Not everyone has space for a turbo at home, it is also not cycling, it is less engaging, and not everyone is enamoured with training apps. Also I am not sure about the weather up there but in Cambridge it is icy perhaps 3/4 weeks of the year. You can ride the rest of the time, just use mudguards and slightly wider tyres. I meant i cycle all year round, and when it is icy i only use my commuting bike with studded tyres.

[@joshuaclark7975]

Should definitely show some content on how GFTL (go fast turn left) destroyed both the KOM and QOM of Regent’s Park, London!

[@brookedavey397]

5678 Stand Up Straight 😂

[@stuartpotter4923]

George Lazenby only did one bond movie... On her majesty's secret service. It's a good stand alone movie, but a very different vibe to all other bond movies.

[@emmabird9745]

With that saddle, I'll bet it will make "getting your leg over" tricky! As I listen to this, I'm wearing bone conducting headphones and they are fine. As an exzema sufferer, I find ear buds can cause a flair up. My only complainy against them is the loop at the back of my head which is a nuisance when I lean back in an armchair.

[@paulmorrison30]

George Lazenby only did the one film, On her majesty’s sercret service. This was because Sean Connery announced his retirement and Roger Moore was tied up with The Saint. Yes I’m an old boy! P.s. I’m really enjoying your content 👌🏾✊🏾👊🏾

[@WerdnaLiten]

Yeah, agree about Endurance bikes - James keeps saying that's what we should all be riding.......But too many want to be 'pro' but are kidding themselves.......

[@jimpeyton1459]

Hmmm Francis, I'm on my second Roubaix. Both fit like a glove.

[@Cade_Media]

Exactly, the geometry is great, why isn’t the aethos the same!

[@matthewlewis2072]

Sportive tips: do a test event, not at full distance. I did this prior to Ride London, had a mechanical...so I didn't have a mechanical at the main event

[@TheConcreteblock]

Love to know where you think the new giant defy sits in your “road bike that fits well and isn’t full of squishy bits” category

[@dylangrantz8124]

The problem is snobs that buy that trash from specialized would never be caught dead on one. Sadly I have become the adventure gravel snob that rides in cutoff jeans and thinks crust bikes are worth the money. Just kidding.

[@jordanlowrie4874]

I like my giant defy advanced 1

[@Milo-wl2if]

Could buy the Wiggins brands with an agreement with Brad to involve him in the business.

[@paulgordon7526]

Thought you might have mentioned the GCN+ and the app going in December ...

[@markd2925]

Pinarello Dogma X , endurance version of the Dogma F

[@SR-fm1ft]

20:20 h2 geometry from Trek?

[@steepslope9426]

bmc makes hands down the best endurance bike, roadmachine slr 01

[@JSC131]

I've have a LOOK 765 RS lovely comfortable bike proper endurance bike enjoyed the content boys.

[@VendetaBrown]

Building one up next week. Endurance road + monster truck gravel mode incoming…

[@JSC131]

@@VendetaBrown you wont be disappointed great choice its a sublime bike ive had mine a couple of years now had the privilege to ride some nice bikes but nothing comes close to the 765.

[@VendetaBrown]

@@JSC131love to hear that, thanks! That seems to be the consensus among people who own them. A very niche, overlooked brand, at least here in the US. I looked at the Optimum pretty seriously, but the wait was longer and that tire clearance was just too limiting for dual wheel set versatility. I didn’t like any of the Optimum+ frames either. Pretty excited to get this built up. As Francis and Jimmy mention… proper endurance geometry without any “frame tricks” is oddly hard to find. Look is the shit.

[@adamsibbald1163]

Spinal alignment saddle 😂

[@alainbellet6982]

Great Podcast, thank you for that! One thing that disturb me is that Emily is not presented at the beginning of the show. probably a routine has lead to this? I love Emilys views!

[@jsnklsr5639]

Didn’t Emily said she does not want to, that it is their show and she wants to be the producer adding things if she’d like

[@alainbellet6982]

@@jsnklsr5639 Ah! Possible, i must have missed her statement at some point then!

[@kramrenrut950]

The saddle is riDickulous there was an 80,s saddle with a rear shelf to help you push against, it didn’t catch on

[@user-lz8of4dh3t]

On the Wiggins situation, he did a "Wiggins talk tour" over the last handful of months and tbh it was him doing a talk that he should be doing to a professional therapist, we all left a bit depressed, he's not in a good place....

[@MacMasore]

37:30 you can do it with Hue (and I presume other brands) for whole your room

[@Milo-wl2if]

George Lazenby only did one Bond film, “On Her Majesty’s Secret Service “ which is a good film, but Lazenby quit, he had a 7 film contract because he didn’t think Bond had a cultural place in the hippy 60s. David Niven played Bond in the slightly silly Casino Royale.

[@Return_oftheMac]

On the selling your name thing, look up 'Jo Malone'

[@edudutra]

You guys talking about -5 Celsius and here in Brazil last week was doing 45 degrees. But the principle remains. Why the f... am I going to ride in 45+ Celsius? That's no point...