Dangerous New Cycling Tech & Britain's Most Hated Cyclist - The Wild Ones Podcast Ep.11

[@cathschofield7488]

This has been one of your very best podcasts, particularly the section on hookless rims. Canyon and ‘bike shops’ I have lots of experience of. Have bought 2 bikes from Canyon - absolutely totally perfect out of the box, compare to bike shops, most of which patronise and bullshit you (especially as a woman) , don’t hold stock. Have taken delivery of brand new bikes where the shifting has been atrocious, front and /or rear derailleur not set up correctly, future Shokz on a Specialized not set up at all and lied to about it by staff. Most bike shops are the most over rated places ever !! There rant over.

[@qza3]

The idea that a customer would come into a shop asking for help and be told off to "phone the internet" is exactly why I'm not going out of my way to save my local bike shops. Across numerous stores, I've been talked down to, upsold, or had shoddy work performed (stripped bolts, etc). How about adapt to the needs of your customers. The market is like the tide. You can either move with it or stand resolute but you can't stop it.

[@cathschofield7488]

Hear, hear 👍

[@FuriousFilipino]

Getting told to “phone the internet” and getting charged the proper labor, are 2 different things, and as someone that has worked in the industry for over 14 years, it’s more a case of the latter. Customers come one for a “once over” and we charge 1 hour for a thorough check (including torque on all fasteners and spoke tension), then customers balk and expect free labor, it’s the same standard for any bike sold on the floor, except direct to consumer brands have supposedly have all of this done save for the final handlebar/stem installation and front wheel install.

[@FuriousFilipino]

Having personally bought a YT, Canyon, and several Polygon bikes, they’ve done a stellar job for something that comes out of a box-much better than say something that you would personally walk out the door from a Decathlon or even a specialty outdoor shop here in the USA like REI. I’ve had 2 bikes from friends and co-workers from those stores where it was a tune-up from the get go including dishing and tensioning wheels.

[@grahamhoppstock-mattson2224]

So true

[@alfiearnold]

The sound is much worse, if they’re going to be as loud as they want to be, they need to sit further from each other or else you’ll hear Francis (and the reverb) through Jimmi’s mic too. There’s other things you can try of course but that’s what I would do first. Source - I’m a podcast producer

[@gerohector]

Hey! Sorry to be that guy but I think the audio is actually worse for this episode. With Francis especially there's a lot of room sound going on. What I suspect is happening is that Francis' voice is louder so it triggers the gate for Jimmy's microphone and we end up hearing the room reverb from Francis' voice through Jimmy's mic.

[@RoyHuiskes]

I agree. exact the same comment for me. It's worse.

[@ruiloureiro3167]

@@RoyHuiskesI agree

[@StephanieLuff]

It’s a lot worse. I’m almost convinced Francis’ mic isn’t even on and we’re just listening to a recording through Jimmy’s lol

[@MrTallAndy]

The bassy echo hit me immediately, yeah needs some work

[@endofradio3507]

Using "better" mics isn't always a great idea in sub-optimal spaces as they reveal way too much of the ugly room sound. And you need more broadband absorption :)

[@TheWoogeroo]

The bike shops near me are all small, have no stock of anything to the point of being useful or reliable in emergencies, and don’t offer test rides anyway (no stock remember). They have to order in anything I’d want to buy. I see no benefit to then existing tbh as they’re shit. Gouging me for servicing costs on top of paying 50% extra for everything I buy is just madness. The only local alternative is a Specialized out of town shop - slick operation but ridiculous prices vs any alternative. I know there are decent bike shops out there that still have knowledgable staff, test rides and put on group rides, just none near me. Independent servicing places are better all around and I’m happy to support them for complicated stuff I can’t do myself. Charge what you want for servicing and fitting parts, but don’t base your bike mechanic business on getting profit per component too.

[@_Zane__]

I work part time in a shop and honestly if someone wants something there's a good chance the distributor doesn't have it in stock and won't be in stock for months

[@YorwerthHiraeth]

Ken upgrading his bike and finding it slower reminds me of a Bjork microphone story: Bjork had a custom Neumann made (£3k+), tried it out and immediately went back to recording her vocals with a Shure SM58 (£90).

[@markp353]

With regards hookless wheels, they should have a warning message on the wheels themselves next to where the valve is saying " maximmun inflation 73psi" . This should be mandatory.

[@dperreno]

Yes, and it needs to be molded in.

[@simonsepic]

Are you guys aware that switch bike are using your footage in their ads? It popped up on fb and i thought i wonder if cade media know about this...

[@GtwoManila]

Love the podcast! Here's a suggestion to improve the audio: put a lot of soft materials in the room, like a couch or recliner, pillows, carpet, etc. Those soft materials absorb some of the sound waves that reflect around the room. The black foam on the wall does help, but they are more for high frequencies. The mid and low frequencies are what's reverberating in the room. Hope this helps! 😀

[@choppercam01]

I love CyclingMikey's vids. It's great that he catches these absolute tools on the phone.

[@SuperMegaCyrus]

By every measure Mikey is a good bloke, the hate he gets just shows how little people want to think about their actions.

[@CyclingMikey]

Thank you both very much! @@SuperMegaCyrus

[@simonsepic]

​@@CyclingMikeywheyhey Mike is always watching haha

[@CyclingMikey]

Been a fan of Francis (and Jimmy) for quite a long time now.@@simonsepic

[@razvansfiraiala8147]

This podcast is cool. You guys are doing good work. Carry on. Cheers

[@AntonKastritskiy]

The sound definitely got worse from the previous episodes. There is a lot of echo in the room. To use these kind of mics, you would have to keep keep them about a fist distance away from your mouth and level out the gain so it does not peak. This way you would no longer pick up the echo in the room and the audio quality will be much better. Great podcast nonetheless, please continue making them!

[@Cyclist-o6e]

Might need to turn down the gain.

[@adamweb]

I think the main advantage of sawtooth/wavy wheels is that they're *supposedly* more stable in crosswinds if you believe the marketing.

[@DoctorTim]

Exactly. And saying that another wheel is faster isn’t useful. What depth was the other wheel? The sawtooth are two different depths. And how do the two wheels compare in crosswinds?

[@kautzz]

Jimmy's and Emely's audio is dialed in, Francis' not quiet. You'll get there ❤

[@antonpeterson1245]

With my lbs (Giant), if you buy a part that is not from them directly to install the part, they charge 1.5x the labour charge. Atm, their labour charge is £60/h so out-sourcing parts means paying £90/h. Got to calculate and see which way works out better.

[@vaska00762]

At that point you might start wondering if it's better value to buy the tools and watch the KZbin tutorials.

[@peterstanhope2716]

Hi guys thanks for the info on this podcast, it made me check my wheels and find that I was running a tad too much pressure. Loving all your new formats 😊

[@harrymillikin502]

Amazing podcasts as always! Thank you for doing them and I can't wait for next week! Keeps me company on the drive home from work each week!

[@richardbagg8581]

I'd contend that someone who plays with their phone in stationary traffic, will probably do the same whilst driving. It boils my piss when I see people messing about on their phone behind the wheel - just arrogant and obnoxious behaviour. CyclingMikey's father died due to a drunk driver as far as I'm aware, and driving whilst using a phone has been shown to be as much of an impairment as being drunk behind the wheel is, so I completely understand and support his crusade.

[@kevinlyon9501]

Hookless wheels sounds like a product liability nightmare waiting to happen.

[@jrother]

There are very few components on an F1 car aero-related that are homologated (that is, where all the teams are using the same thing). Teams use the exact same wheels and tires. The halo around the driver's head is basically the same shape car to car, as well as the housings for the onboard cameras. Most of the stock parts are internal to the car. Basically, if it is involved in slipping through the air, the teams need to design and manufacture those components themselves.

[@philblackburn1966]

These guys are brilliant, my no.1 source of cycling related news 👊

[@koenclinckspoor9858]

about Canyon part, here in Belgium we have Canyon bikeshops and they can be located on the website, most of the bikeshops sell a certain brand and sometimes change it from time to time. so that is a lot of time also a problem

[@WilcoStrydom]

The tyre sidewall reports the pressure rating for hooked rims. The box of the tyre will say to not exceed 72.5 psi if installing on hookless rims. This is the problem. Nobody reads the box, and people are being sold installed systems with the only visible pressure rating being dangerously high.

[@ynie1]

Hard disagree on Canyon being overrated. I think bike prices in shops are out of control and these direct-to-consumer brands (Canyon, YT, Spot, ect...) are the only brands that are making bikes that are more in reach for the average enthusiast consumer. Just comparing the offerings for endurance bikes (Domane vs Endurace). Sure, the Domane has the downtube storage and fender mounts, but for the SL 7 AXS model, it's $7500 (and it comes with alloy bars+stem). Stepping up to the SLR model, which from their website seems to only be a 100 gram savings, would put the price at $9700. Canyon specs their SLX AXS model at $5500, and their CFR, which comes with Red AXS, is $9k. Is the bike shop support that you talk about worth $2000 to $4000?

[@TommySaucierPlourde0]

I know the price seem bookers, but I know for a fact that most bike shop don't do money or very little money from selling bikes. It's everything that come around the bikes that is the money maker.

[@perfectly_boring]

@@TommySaucierPlourde0 if that's the case then canyon should be great for the bike shops, shouldn't it?

[@h31sman]

Yeah Canyon bikes come pretty well specced for what you pay for. Trek & Specialized are sold in my area & are wildly overpriced for what’s specced on their bikes. You can’t get a 105 equipped bike for less than $2k from either company. That is insane. I got a CAAD Optimo 1 with 105 for $1300 this year. They are not making a $700 better bike to justify the price difference lmao. The Endurace with 105 is the same price as the Optimo 1 when it’s not discounted fyi. No reason to buy a trek or spesh if you can avoid it.

[@ickebins6948]

The problem I have with companies like Canyon, there isnt really a possibility for me to ride some of there bikes. If I want to ride a canyon, I have to drive 7 hours to their "loca" test centre ... I'm not ordering stuff I don't no I like or if it even fits...

[@perfectly_boring]

@@ickebins6948 Canyon has a 30 day ride and return period. You can ride it fully for almost 30 days and just return it if you dont like it

[@Eightballracing888]

Hi. Guys. Rouvy is great. I really enjoy the real routes. Give it a go.

[@CyclespeedTours]

@42 minutes, that was my video, (and it's back up) and the exact cause has yet to be determined, but clearly the safety factor is way too narrow, and yes, extremely easy for a hungover cyclist to go 10psi over the max in the morning. Blowout does not always occur immediately. In my case the first one took 90 seconds. (Static conditions).

[@cossamaximus8770]

Marco plantoni lol ace name for a plant!! Marco Pantani was actually my favourite rider when I was growing up in the 90's. Fantastic memories.

[@Kamiudalan1489]

Nice épisode, get that chamaedorae elegans palm some light before winter or give it a propre light setup :)

[@jakeesberger5864]

Loved it. Bit late to the party as I’ve missed the first ten episodes. Some catching up to do.

[@jensenhealey907efi]

OK, how much does this new mic and audio interface setup cost approximately?

[@justsomedude7556]

I love Rouvy as it shows me actual roads. I have used it to ride locations to get visuals on a place I have not been, so when I got there, it was more familiar. Also, I think Francis' volume was a little echoie, Jimmy's was fine. Just do away with Hookless, eliminates a lot of potential issues

[@DC-lu5qs]

Rouvy is actually responsible for me becoming a cyclist, honestly. I picked rouvy over it's competitors when I started using indoor cycling as extra training for my former main activities specifically for the variety of courses. The live video of real places got me interested in riding outdoors. I've never been tempted to switch to Zwyft

[@aidanmasterson50]

Rouvy for me also. Love it. See the world from a static bike.

[@Adanteh]

Love Rouvy as well, I wanted to get an indoor trainer and wasn't aware it existed and only seeing Zwift kept me from buying one. Found out Rouvy was a thing and instantly got a trainer and love riding it.

[@justsomedude7556]

@aidanmasterson50 my wife loves riding in Japan. Never been to Japan, but I broadcast it to the TV I have in the cycling room, and she loves the beauty of the scenery. You can't get that on zwift, not that zwift is bad, we just like the real world scenery

[@creativechimp03]

Guys, random one, where did you get your sign made? Love the pod! Thanks

[@Xarx42]

Regarding canyon: I bought the grail after it came out (still with ultegra) and the amount of shops which would have been able to offer a similar product, with a similar price/value ratio just wasnt there. I've been to Koblenz to take a look at the bike and test it. Any smaller store around the corner would have needed to order something first, because they wouldnt have higher priced carbon bikes around in the first place. So the group of bike stores which could rightfully say "hey, why didnt you buy from us?" is rather small.

[@CycletheNation]

Interesting point on hookless. As an example - I've just had a look and the standard wheels that come with my TCR are hookless. I've been running (tubeless) 25mm Gavia Corse tyres at 80-85psi since day one and had no issues in 5500 miles, with just one puncture that self-sealed and got me 40 miles down the road

[@rsam346]

2 years on a Giant SLR 1 wheelset that came with my 2021 TCR. 25000kms so far and going well. Giant are quite bullish on their test, their rim sticker says do not inflate beyond 125psi, there's no mention anywhere physically on the bike about 73psi. Infact, the tyres that shipped with the bike have a minimum pressure ABOVE 73psi (85psi).

[@rob-c.]

Bigham and Ganna both rode Princeton Carbonworks wheels for their hour records

[@friendofships]

Sound is way worse, almost unlistenable. Francis' voice in particular is way too booming and reverberating.

[@Never_unknown]

I wish there were more apps to operate the trainer (kickr) in a basic way. Like the garmin training app.

[@lizhengzhang]

microphone sounds a bit metal vibration? not sure, just a bit. great chats

[@ashleyhouse9690]

Straight off the bat, I thought you were talking down a drainpipe!

[@Cyclist-o6e]

Enjoying the podcast, lads. Just a thought, but would you consider having Lucy join the podcast from time to time?

[@edjcs]

Cycling is massively popular in the UAE (and indoor cycling is really popular in the summer heat/humidity). In a way, it's not too surprising that a new indoor cycling platform could come from here.

[@TheWoogeroo]

Or it’s just the latest round of sports washing, and a simple clone of zwift. Certainly the insane cash prizes they were paying in the last few years make me think so.

[@TheRimBrakeGuy]

be careful of the amount of private information this new app asks for, in PC at least it says this! "This app can Access all your files, peripheral devices, apps, programs and registry" I mean wow, nice sending all your PCs data to UAE goverment, GG!

[@gerrymcbride6429]

@@TheWoogerooIs it sports washing when the government provides the population with purpose built off highway tracks to cycle on free of charge and opens the Yas Marina F1 track to the public and provides hundreds of bikes and helmets to us free of charge? There is no doubt doubt that the sport's sponsorship by the national airlines and formation of high profile Cycling Team are national marketing strategies to attract visitors to the country but is that any different or worse than commercial the sponsorship that goes on in sport? Major sports tournaments in China and Russia have also been cited as sports washing but as a couple of the biggest sporting nations on the planet I'd be shocked not to see them hosting major sporting events.

[@luketoms6110]

Tom Pidcock won the MTB World XCO on princeton carbon wheels your talking about.

[@MrPharmageek]

Hookless has been standard on car tires for ages. Basically, hookless wheels for bikes only make sense for higher volume and lower pressure. For road bikes, i wouldn't consider it unless i was riding at least 28c and I'm quite a small rider.

[@mctrials23]

I think the big issue is that there simply isn't enough information out there. I am currently on zipp 303 firecrests (25mm ID) and I'm running 28mm tyres on them. I've had zero issues and I am 83kg and have them inflated to around 67PSI on the back and slightly lower at the front. I believe 73PSI is rated as the max. I regularly do bunny hops, hit potholes at speed and generally abuse the tyres which one would think would cause issues if I was truly anywhere near the danger zone with these. There are definitely issues somewhere with hookless but I think people just love to jump on "new" tech and say "I told you so" and "back in my day" etc etc.

[@bennymozzarella1605]

​@@mctrials23I'm a 200lb rider on 303s 67 in the back and 60 in the front. Hit a couple bad potholes one of them was really bad I thought the wheel cracked and no issue. I agree with you about the cycling community and thier "well in my day " attitude

[@vaska00762]

Car tyres also make use of an adhesive between the rim and the bead of the tyre. The kinds of tools required to fit and remove a car tyre is also substantially different. Besides, car rims are usually steel or some kind of alloy. Bicycles are decreasingly using fewer and fewer alloy rims.

[@rossevans7646]

Would love you guys to explore more about the red bull sponsorship you mentioned in this episode, especially for the DH mountainbike riders and the free riders. Their careers are so short and is it a worry that they have to keep taking riding to another to get that sponsorship cash, which could smash them to bits with injuries.

[@Hill_Walker]

I love Mikey's videos, great to watch on my lunch break. He's doing a great job, the drivers he catches aren't

[@CyclingMikey]

Thanks very much!

[@deadpool8340]

Fluff up of the week on point Jimmi

[@paulsymons562]

Any bike shop that told me to 'phone the internet' if I was asking them to do some paid work on a bike, just because I got it from the internet deserves to fail. What a terrible attitude. Where does it end? Not working on a bike if you bought from another shop? Only working on equipment they have sold you in person? Honestly, bike shops seem to be the home of terrible service attitudes and elitism. They really need to get a grip and remember who is paying them, or they will soon go out of business. After all, if they can't compete on new sales, then good service and mechanical work is all they have left to pay the bills, so why fuck it up by being assholes? At least one shop I know sent a bike back to a friend from a full service with shot wheel bearings, brakes full of air and with non-genuine pads fitted. It took me a couple of hours to identify and correct all the issues and make it safe to ride. They actually charged real money to make it worse than before they touched it.

[@rasyad66]

36:53 - 37:04 = fluff up of the week 😅 . Regarding Zwift having limited routes/maps/worlds I think is to try to ensure that there are always enough people in their worlds. Because I feel the big win of Zwift is it’s social aspect of the game, joining a group ride or able to randomly join an actual person riding/running on the free ride mode and not a bot. I’m also with Jimmy on don’t buy hookless stance, why complicate the system I’m using.

[@johnmcnulty1129]

Great content Francis & Jimmy. If there's audio "issues", didn't spoil my enjoyment. Your Ukranian equivalents, probably sound similar ish, in their bunker ! Never mind Eubank, "Most Hated" Mike capturing "Iron" Mike Tyson "misbehaving" ! :) Keep up the good work

[@djhall17]

Loving the podcast . Keep at it … keep investing … sounds great

[@markjthomson]

I think you guys are right, there is a HUGE lack of understanding about tire pressures, what is needed, what is recommended, etc. The numbers on the wall of tires are 1/2 of the maximum pressure to blow it off a hooked rim. EG if the max inflation number is 120psi, it can be expected to blow off the rim at around 240psi. Not sure about the lower number but I suspect it is similar that it is 100% above the minimum needed to reliably keep the tire on the rim. Then you get a hookless bead... It doesn't appear there are "Hookless" specific tires... so you can buy a hookless compatible tire and safely run it on a hooked rim... so the pressures are now dictated by the rim pressures, and the minimum pressure on some tires is greater than the maximum on the hookless tire... just to keep things confusing...

[@jeffholder1156]

Catching up on past episodes

[@antonpeterson1245]

The problem with tubeless on road wheels is when the rider is heavy. For a 90+ kg rider, I'm not sure it's recommended to run tubeless unless your tyres are 35mm+ imo. My winter bike has 32mm tyres on a 19mm internal tubeless ready hooked rim and the recommended tyre pressure for the roads I use would be above the hookless maximum pressure, so I'm sticking with tubes (specifically tpu tubes).

[@ESBestrom]

Same on hookless, I'm a tall guy and not small. The Silca tire pressure calculator just tells me "No" for any hookless wheels.

[@Xarx42]

@@ESBestrom Well, what Silca calculates is the potential ideal tire pressure for a specific situation. Silca also underlines how a lower pressure affects you a lot less then going above. So apparently going below by 10 psi costs you 1 Watt, but with 10 psi too much you loose 9 Watts. I dont want to say we need to look for those small gains, but there seems to be some flexibility.

[@markomacek920]

Yes... I run 32mm (trekking bike with tubes) on ~6 Bar (85 psi) (and I've done ~6.5/95 psi many times).

[@joe4624]

Looks like you've been watching Peak Torque on the Nero Show podcast. When are you guys going to do a join episode?

[@h31sman]

Not sure if you’re talking about the same video but there was a video posted here 3 weeks ago of a guy recreating his hookless wheel blowout when it was pumped to an acceptable pressure.

[@ghitsta]

A lot of people are critical of hookless wheels / setups without having actually run them and understood them. Maybe they are cheaper to manufacture but also the carbon moulding process for a hookless I.e. straight edge rim means that you can use a non-flexible press / mould. When you have a hook in there you need to use a more flexible insert in order to remove it again once the carbon has set. This means manufacturers are able to theoretically create stronger sidewalls to their rims using this method. And so long as people are following the correct procedures regarding tyre sizes and pressures, there shouldn’t be any issues. And yes this means 25mm tyres are NOT the best use-case as you need higher pressures. But anything 28mm up (which we now all know is faster anyway) with lower pressures and this

[@mctrials23]

The issue here is that people don't understand them and people are being sold bikes with hookless rims without this being made very clear. Their mate says "stick some tubeless ready 25s on those because the stock tyres are shit and suddenly you have someone riding a dangerous setup without even realising. I have hookless on my road bike and have for about 18 months now with 0 issues but I am very aware of what I need to do in order to make it safe. Many won't be.

[@ghitsta]

@@mctrials23 yeah I agree that is the issue. No arguments there. I just think the message in this video of "don't buy hookless" is not particularly well considered (or researched) and could have been better delivered (especially when Jimmy didn't even realise he rides hookless himself!! lol)

[@virtualmartijn]

​@@ghitsta Well, if anything I've learned today that in my current configuration I cannot run hookless (as due to weight I run 7-8 bar). If the max is 73psi then this is 5 bar. Many, many, many cyclists will not know this and a tire is literally the first thing that will be changed by the rider itself.

[@TimIrwin26]

Looking at the hardware requirements for MyWhoosh -- Minimum specs -- GTX 1080Ti GPU?? Yes, that's an older GPU, but it is still faster than most "reasonably" priced GPUs out there (for example a RTX3060). I'm running fairly modern games on a large screen on a lesser GPU than that. I may try it on the laptop I run Zwift on, but no way am I going to drop $$$ for a "MyWhoosh" dedicated rig.

[@gerrymcbride6429]

@TimIrwin26 All my cycling friends in the UAE use My Whoosh on whatever they have.

[@Tobias611]

Hey Jimmy and Francis, the hookless bit was super confusing if I'm being honest. Looking forward to the video you mentioned, but maybe Nick can also go into some more detail as he should have a good general idea about them, why he does or does not use them etc...?😅

[@calebjackson2631]

Completion in the marketplace is good. It motivates companies to improve their product.

[@charliefranklin6937]

I think you need to use these mic much closer to the face lads. As others have suggested Francis' voice is being picked up by the noise gate on both mics.

[@tonyjennison3199]

I've done a similar ear hack with a water pick from Lidl

[@jakou31]

28:04 In France we have a KZbin channel named Popcorn. This Talk show is usualy about video games and digital electronic stuff.. full of nerds... receently they did a Zwift race on the channel.. those people are fare away from cycling .. but it's E-sport.. it's touching a new public. i got surprised to see nerds sweating on their Kickrs 🤣🤣

[@dominicbritt]

Various other online retailers in the U.K. are dumping huge amounts of stock at less that trade price - causing huge damage to independents everywhere…

[@DreamClean]

RE: Cycling Mikey. He always says that it costs more to prosecute a phone driver than they pay in fines so it's a net loss for the tax payer. Still worth doing however!

[@mctrials23]

They should probably fine people more then.

[@DS-um9hi]

​@@mctrials23or have higher fines that cover costs

[@CyclingMikey]

Someone recently mentioned that whilst that's true, a single life saved is a saving to society of £2,500,000. I'm not claiming to have saved anyone, far from it, but I'm told that a lot of traffic prosecution pressure does have a strong impact on road KSIs.

[@DreamClean]

@@CyclingMikey I totally agree, Mikey. Just put of interest...does it only cost more when it goes to court or is that for all NIPs?

[@CyclingMikey]

Hmm, I'm not sure, but there's certainly quite a lot of backoffice staff time involved in even an NIP/FPN.@@DreamClean

[@robblissism]

No complaints about the sound but with all that spiffy kit (both audio & cycling), surely you can spring for some healthy plant life too?

[@AwwSweet]

Here's result of my short research on hookless wheels during last off-season, when I was thinking which to choose. Chinese manufacturer asked me hooked or hookless and result of my googling was, that few years ago this technology was presented, manufacturers said, that it has great potential, rims can be stronger. But nobody got inspired and in recent years nobody in masses supported this idea. Because, as Francis said, with high pressure will be problems. But on the other side of the spectrum, MTB guys go extra low with pressure, and tire also can come off from hookless rim.

[@Xarx42]

Well, if you believe Zipp, or maybe better Silca(they dont sell wheels), you dont need so high pressures anyway.

[@AwwSweet]

@@Xarx42 I ride gravel and I was more concerned about lower pressures. Also, when choosing from Chinese manufacturer, they don't care - hooked or hookless, this decision is up to You. So I didn't find any reason to choose hookless.

[@Xarx42]

@@AwwSweet Apparently the side walls should be more stable with hookless rims, so it should withstand impacts better if you hit through on a gravel road or is there another reason you are concerned? I personally like the approach with a lower pressure, but I didnt have so many options to choose from unfortunately (its a longer story ^^) and Zipps Firecrest were one of the best price/value options.

[@AwwSweet]

@@Xarx42 as I remember, I was concerned that choice of hookless rims shrinks choice of tires, because all tire manufacturers support hooked rims and not so many support hookless. "I didn't have so many options". China gives a lot of options. ;) Aliexpress only can cover all needs, hehe. ) Or there is always Nextie, which considered very reliable wheels manufacturer.

[@Xarx42]

@@AwwSweet I am fine with continental so I dont have an issue there. :) I know ^^. And yes, there are certainly some good products out there. I thought about other wheels first, but the bike store didnt have so many options and I actually had a good experience there with the bike fit.

[@danielakerman8241]

Boys, hate to break it to you, but the sound was worse. There was a ton of room noise and reverberations in the signal. Francis’ mic was particularly bad - probably due to that wall right behind him. You either need different mic placement, or better room treatment. The lav mics didn’t capture voice as well, but they did a much better job of rejecting room noise.

[@jonnypoundland4118]

So Giant hookless wheels are even more confusing than you guys made out. I have got a pair of SLR 1 42s on my 2023 TCR. They came with a set of Giant course 25c tyres set up tubeless. The tyres and the rims both state max pressure 125psi despite being hookless. I ran them at 110psi for the first month I had them before I read into the whole hookless rim blowout debacle. I didn't have any issues at 110 psi. Since then I have used the pressure calculator for their hookless wheels on the Giant website. This says my optimum pressure is 86psi. But as far as my research goes hookless pressure normally shouldn't exceed 72.5psi. I'm totally confused...

[@lifeincycling]

'Going on the Giant website' had me thinking about a website with humongous fonts.

[@jensenhealey907efi]

Hookless rims are a scam and should be avoided at all costs. See the video on Chris Miller's cycling vlog where they have the guy from Peak Torque as a guest. They also discuss this at length.

[@Cyclist-o6e]

I don't trust the Peak Torque guy. It's been a while since I watched one of his videos, but I recall that he seemed to be working backwards from his prejudices in a couple of videos, then using his engineering background to try to justify them. That being said, I'm with you on hookless rims. I question the safety and don't use them.

[@omerr3248]

I’m using hookless since a year and find them great! Cant see any performance disadvantages. Can’t trust anyone on KZbin! If Enve and Zipp arguably two of the biggest manufacturers have switched their entire line to hookless then they must have done their research, why would they take such a big gamble?

[@flynando]

Not to mention that they are lighter

[@Xarx42]

So do you have any data available, from a trustworthy website eg which did propper testing with several tires/rims to underline your statement? I can understand why people are sceptical, but the discussion seems to be quite hysterical sometimes...

[@simonsepic]

Ah man the more little snuppets of personality i spot the more i like you guys. I looove metal!!!

[@morrisizing]

The Trinity is still one ofvthe fastest set-ups. Look at Simon Yates since his team moved to Giants.

[@jimbob-nz24]

Lots of Wiggle products are blocked from New Zealand. Shimano no chance 😢

[@BLAKEISHart]

just put a few more foam pieces in the blank spots that are big wall spots. youll be surprised how little foam youll need .

[@jamesfernando2972]

great job guys, very entertaining

[@thompson9451]

Need more Gandalf's! Especially in NY

[@paulhaughney7511]

I have a question for Jimmy, why are all bib shorts for small torso people? I am only 5:10 but as I have short legs and a longer body I can’t get bibs were the straps aren’t digging into my shoulders, even if I try to size up it makes little to no difference. I don’t know what to do at this stage as most of the gear is online, expensive and just gets annoying sending them back only for the bigger size to make no difference. Please help me. Maybe make one for me 😂

[@gerrymcbride6429]

@paulhaughney7511 5'11" 31" inside leg, Castelli bibs work for me.

[@johnnunn8688]

What’s that tat on Jimmy’s left arm? It’s a long line, with a group of short lines?

[@TommySaucierPlourde0]

What a threat to listen to you guy!

[@robertrhoadesofficial]

I'd recommend getting iZotope RX10 Advanced and using dialogue de-reverb on this bad boy. Or go back to the old mics! Sounds like a super boxy reverb!

[@ollierrides]

Burn 29:40, cor felt that, Jimmy!

[@flipooh]

Ran over a port hole in Box Hill and I had a blow out with my Zipp 404 hookless. DO NOT BUY HOOKLESS!!

[@DPANDALEE]

So with hookless rims, what do you do when your tubeless puncture doesn't seal even with a plug during a ride? Innertubes don't work with hookless or am i wrong?

[@MrHoward222]

Yes, you’re wrong.

[@RandomeHandle]

The sound isolation in the room is not tight enough. Audio quality is bad now especially on Fran's side.

[@javiermartindiez9857]

Hi Jimmy if you're running your zipp wheels with tubes get them out now!! You cannot run inner tubes on hookless wheels 🙂

[@charlesblithfield6182]

There’s a psychological factor with gear. If rider thinks a product is even a tiny bit more or less faster they could have an outsized performance reaction positive or negative to that perception.

[@malcontent_1]

In re: the *_Giant_* hookless rim + *_Giant_* tubeless tire ... what happens if riders already have "compatible" tires but w/ wrong pressure on the factory sticker?! Sh*tshow.

[@CycleNLincs]

19:48 I hate to say it, but cyclists are the new caravans on the roads. The way we are hated and treated is getting silly. Keep filming and keep reporting.

[@dmac2573]

Except there's more often a reason to dislike caravans.

[@CycleNLincs]

@@dmac2573 think there used to be. But how often to you see caravans on narrow little roads and crawling at 25mph now? Not often and I can't remember the last time I saw a caravan doing 50/60mph. they all over take me now when I'm driving!

[@MrBoggins1234]

The last 13 years has seen our roads become a broken mad Max movie. It was all avoidable.

[@johnnunn8688]

I looked up this Sunderland thing and it’s called Esports and it’s for gamers, as far as I can work out. What has that got to do with cycling and sweating and stuff?

[@macsdiving]

I run hookless on my road bike, knew the info (your right, initially confusing) -but did not think about if I ever need to us a cartridge - good point.

[@randallsmith7885]

I just went through the thought process as I plan a road bike build. Two other issues came up. One is the wheel overheating in use or in the back of a hatchback car and the other is the precision of the pressure gauge on my floor pump. We are running road tubeless tires pretty close to the max limits such that a person could accidentally over inflate due to precision issues.

[@macsdiving]

@@randallsmith7885 but unless you run narrow tires, you shouldn't be close to those limits in both your situations..... I run 35mm just now, and might go down to 32mm - run wider and you can run on hookless rims all day.....

[@randallsmith7885]

@@macsdiving my new bike will have 28’s. Max size for the frame is 32. Recommended pressure is mid 60’s to 70 PSI run tubeless. Too close to max pressure limits for my comfort.

[@macsdiving]

@@randallsmith7885 that seems high to me, but agreed if that is the pressure you want to run at, I would not risk hookless

[@crankshoptv8141]

Wiggle also sell in non retail packaging, I wonder if they have a deal regarding buying non retail packaging for their bike builds (Vitus etc.) I own a workshop and would be happy to buy non retail packaging as most customers don't even see the part before it's fitted. But totally agreed, Wiggle VERY often sell parts cheaper than trade price and this is wrong. As a bike shop owner I Love "ring the internet" PS. if you'r syringing your own ears, make sure the water is not COLD, I did this once and immediately lost all sense of balance and fell in the bath.

[@hevdread]

Jimmy plays the curmudgeon so well kudos.

[@matteo.ceriotti]

51:58 Most shopping is shifting to online, not just bikes with Canyon and others. Even clothing, that you usually want to try on before buying, are sold online (can be returned if they don't fit). Bike shops are blessed in that bikes, even if bought online, still need in-person servicing. They should embrace that and stay alive. If they don't, because of their pickiness on working on online bikes, they are doomed to die.

[@walkerbikes8]

Emily's audio is definitely the best

[@charleschirnside7657]

55:02 Wouldn’t this be the same issue if you bought a Giant and went to a store that didn’t sell Giants to get your bike fixed..? I never understand this argument. I have a Canyon but I’m lucky enough that in Melbourne there is a Canyon services centre. Although I would happily take my bike to a good bike shop if they didn’t have the attitude as Nick…

[@_Just_Some1]

53:53 who are Jame’s mechanics? :) I like that philosophy.

[@opus5204]

On Rouvy you can change the camera perspective and not show the rider avatar at all. You get a first person view of actual real world video.

[@wgthn5103]

Sounds worse and is picking up all the knocks on the desk. Love the podcast though guys!!

[@larisonjohnson]

Let me tell you what I’m looking for in a wheel….it’s gotta be round….it’s gotta have a tire that doesn’t blow off. Hookless isn’t done baking yet, it’s clearly not ready for prime time. If the tire is easy to put on, it will be easy to come off.