Will Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero be 100% CGI?

[@starblaststudios]

Didn't even notice how they changed the direction of the hair Goku has in this animation to fit the 2D models. The camera movement was also really informative! Really good work Ajay!

[@mauri9998]

They do it again later around 05:17

[@mohamedaminehamdouchi7179]

The intro, damn the nostalgia, even though it's been only 3 years.

[@swagsquad2198]

Lol

[@luxrayever]

"only"

[@jonathanisrael1707]

@@luxrayever You must be young

[@superjboy16]

That old Intro, holy crap it really has been years since a video huh. Still has its charm xD

[@dd9059]

The Carrot loving animation king has returned

[@TotallyNotMark]

Hyppppe!

[@PurPurDot]

Hello check MARK

[@cond.oriano9146]

Mark nani.

[@Lone_Rocket]

IKR, New Ajay Video!

[@kaizeramvs447]

mark and ajay for best couple of the decade

[@chJohnJobs]

dang it, beat me to my own comment record

[@zylarscotty1172]

All I know is that when Super's anime returns I hope that it's in the Shintani Broly style

[@joemarmar2861]

God yes

[@jasonone8726]

I'm doubtful at this point.

[@Shocknfunk]

That movie was probably a whole series budget

[@prime7042]

No

[@jasonone8726]

@@prime7042 Yes.

[@JomaXZ]

Aside from the producer calling 2D Animation "Limiting" I'm on board with all of this tbh. I PREFER 2D animation, but this approach to CG isn't bad either.

[@JomaXZ]

I DO think that they could have tried this style on something non-canon so we don't have to deal with the style and medium jumping all over the place when you are trying to get through all of Super on a Rewatch of the entire DB Series.

[@leultrainstinct406]

@@JomaXZ this movie will have action, but it’ll be more about the slice of life and character interaction more so having god tier broly level animation isn’t necessary. So it’s the perfect film to test it on. Not to mention it pushes the story forward instead of staying stagnant

[@baggelissonic]

Probably limiting in terms of budget.

[@Jegfil]

​@@leultrainstinct406 Wait, who would want to watch a movie about slice of life tho? Or do you mean, something like BoG movie, that has SOME slice of life...I mean, I like silce of life in Dragon Ball, but movie...idk. But yeah maybe I misunderstood.

[@aquaarmour4924]

@@baggelissonic CG is more expensive than hand drawn. The benefit to CG is less time taken to animate. They probably just want to churn out a movie fast while throwing their money at it.

[@GSol1]

Was expecting a dbs broly animation breakdown, but this will do well given recent events

[@luisavalos4415]

Won’t likely happen. He has it done but Toei and KZbin will just take it down.

[@leultrainstinct406]

Facts. They really didn’t have a choice. If they waited, then the movie wouldn’t come until years from now. And they’re looking to move past the end of Z within the next year. I’m hyped regardless

[@armaanmehanger4154]

He already did one...

[@hoodlumscraggy1801]

He’s already done one

[@khalled2419]

@@hoodlumscraggy1801 that’s not the one they’re referring to. He has a bigger video, that’s more extensive lined up, but hasn’t put it up for a variety of reasons.

[@Dogflamingo]

7:20 I'm guessing they accidentally made the video in full frame rate, so had to edit out some frames meaning both the character and background had the same frame rate. May very well have been in a bit of a rush as well to show it in the live stream, so couldn't remake the video in time.

[@RC000000000]

A problem I have with the japanese 3D animation I've seen is that no matter how well executed, it always ruins my immersion. They look like cutscenes from old games, and not in a good way.

[@chinesecovidanalswabs4752]

Good news is they are always improving it. Still not there yet though but decent enough.

[@Blank-s]

They used cgi in the broly movie and that was pretty good

[@Jegfil]

​@@Blank-s That was ok, for few seconds, but now it's a whole movie...Tho it's probably gonna be better than in Broly.

[@cya3781]

Is so good to have you back.

[@chentrabelsi2219]

Surprise Ajay video! I’m so happy!

[@TheActionTourist]

If it ends up looking something like 1:13 i'm ENTIRELY on board with all this.

[@ej0272]

Do you know where to find that clip?

[@smritisinha5794]

@@ej0272 kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5jPiZVugMSrocU

[@lexlix1391]

was thinking the same thing. still would prefer it to look like the broly movie, but that doesnt look half bad either.

[@TheActionTourist]

@@lexlix1391 Half bad? Looks better than Broly imo. Best visual way i've seen Dragon Ball (regarding the action packed scenes)

[@Lizombiez]

@@TheActionTourist I say the clip that it showed, hands down one of the best animation I seen

[@furiousedits4005]

You are an underrated youtuber you know that I enjoyed this alot

[@nazarenomilohanich4883]

Im really hoping its not entirely 3d, and ends up being something more like Promare; lots of CGI (specially for the fight scenes), but with a good amount of hand drawn animation as well. Great video btw

[@mhytedits8799]

The shit's so important even Ajay had the come back

[@satelliteprime]

1. Welcome back!!! 2. I so LOVE that you went over the translation of 2D characters into 3D space for quite a while in this video. You did an excellent job. As an animator and character designer myself, this is actually something I've spent quite a LOT of time both learning about and teaching my own staff. How to design a character with specific considerations in mind, making sure that their designs make sense in 3D space, embracing that headache earlier ON, to avoid having it cause headaches later down the road, if and when we need to construct 3D models for the characters, and depict them in CG. This video, like SO many others you have done, is something I will no doubt find useful for referencing in the future, when explaining this phenomenon.

[@weeeeeeev]

I guess after a couple days I realise it could look good, but I'm still a bit salty the super-good animation of Broly isn't coming back, at least not yet

[@Lahiss]

Well once One Piece ends all those animators should be free to do DBS.

[@nscscone347]

@@Lahiss One Piece is never gonna end at this rate

[@Lahiss]

@@nscscone347 That was the joke.

[@nscscone347]

@@Lahiss I noticed which is why I commented on it. Doesnt take a genius to recognise a joke.

[@boygenius538_8]

@@Lahiss bruh one piece really lacking of animators from the rest of the industry

[@KillerKale]

Anyone else feel like Ajay could read books to them every night? His voice is very soothing.

[@That_One_Guy-.]

...and when the world needed him most ... He came back!

[@teamrocfan]

Love to hear you talking about NEW Dragon Ball again. The 3D animation stirs up conversation within the Dragon Ball community and that makes me happy.

[@darkhonzs780]

Sad that Shuiichiro Manabe left , just found out now and that kinda makes me upset ngl really liked his effort in dbs

[@nazarenomilohanich4883]

Really? Well that's a shame, I really loved his very expressive works... Hopefully he'll at least show up here and there once the anime returns

[@crazypanda9870]

He's on Dai, it's pretty good.

[@IgnaStom]

For real? This is super sad news

[@imarock.7662]

I'm very worried, but cautiously optimistic at the same time.

[@anujaia78]

Content on this channel is always top quality. Great job Ajay!

[@bocodamondo]

hopefully this video will help a few DB fans to accept the film for whats its gonna be, even though im not a fan of CG movies, the reaction on twitter is a bit too negative & toxic, by people who are not even being ironic

[@LupinticDream]

That's Twitter for ya. "Negative & toxic" is basically its M.O. I think this film has a lot of potential as to what it can do with its visuals. Obviously I would've preferred a 2D film, but regardless, the new storyline is something to look forward to (near-End of Z / post-End of Z is exciting).

[@wolfdragox5563]

What else did you expected from Twitter? 😑

[@Dondon-wt5mw]

Rightfully so. Any sane person would react negatively about the new dragon ball movie being CGI specially because 90% of cgi in anime is absolutely horrible. Who would want their favorite show to go through such a risky route? Its stupid. They should’ve released an ACTUAL teaser, if they’ve been working on the movie since broly then there’s no way that they dont have any footage they could’ve used for a teaser but instead they gave us this “teaser” who just left a horrible taste in many. Goku’s hair looked like a piece of plastic and the frame rate was really bad, CG and low frames usually dont go well but in some cases like Into the Spiderverse it can work out, but this is anime, not a comic/cartoon art style and like i said earlier, a HUGE majority of studios have not perfected 3d animation.

[@RipedGames]

@@Dondon-wt5mw facts. I can’t even recommend this to the non fans. CGI is NOT ok if it has a dominant roll in the animation.

[@gra9]

The goat bocodamondo I used to your watch your animation back in the day, hope your doing great.

[@mechajay3358]

Personally I feel Dragon Ball works best in a Traditional 2D Media, but if they can pull off the type of style like Into the Spider-Verse did or even in Dragon Ball FighterZ, I would be ok with them going the CG route with the Super Hero Movie.

[@g2.a6]

I don't mind a 3D anime movie, but waiting for a full trailer to judge Super Hero. Hope it's as good as Lupin III: The First. The CGI in that was on point.

[@rory6483]

I’m curious to see what you think and thanks!

[@IkariTheWraith]

Thanks for the breakdown! I had initially misjudged the "choppiness" of the teaser as being caused by a lack of smear frames. Your explanation of character vs environment framerates really cleared up my misconceptions.

[@superpipi1342]

Not gonna lie, my excitement for the animation side of things has all but died out, but still very intrigued about the staff/director and story side of things. Also, awesome to see a new video from you, bro!

[@nkosinathibenedict1642]

I just don't want cgi bro

[@ezepoliyu]

You have no idea how happy I am to see on of your videos in my Notification bar

[@pinball-wizard]

Great video and great to see you again… When Ide though?

[@kjlop14]

This trailer brought out just as much reaction from me as the first broly trailer did 100% As an animator who has experimented with both 3d and 2d, and has been experimenting with combining the two to make em stronger together, the trailer opened my eyes to another beautiful way to reach that end. I do, of course, have minor gripes or things I would change, but they're only that, minor. While, perhaps their isn't as much practical room for 3d animators to put their own spin on how unique an individual frame can look, their is still plenty of room for that individuality in the movement. This is assuming no elements will be drawn onto the frame itself, but I suspect that was done in the teaser by looking at the knuckles and face. If there are things drawn over the model, the amount of ways to express individuality will increase. Plus, there are other ways to bring more variety to the 3d look too. For instance, doing different models based on different ways to draw goku. A shintani approach and then a Takahashi approach. Not saying that will be or is even likely to be. It's far more likely to have that one model the whole time. Just saying that there are ways to bring some more variety to the 3d world.

[@emidioarini7422]

so good to see you back! missed your videos so much

[@thefire-man4527]

i really hope this movie changes my stance, but i always felt like cgi and especially 100% cgi doesnt belong in anime.

[@Die4Gesichter]

First a Livestream, now a video??? Thank you ajay ❤️

[@ryanstrumpfler8115]

I’m a simple man. I see Ajay post on KZbin again, I become happy.

[@superexclusive452]

If it’s in the Spiderverse style where it’s 3D with a 2D aesthetic on top of it and it’s rigged in a 2D animated way then I’m all for it. Toei seemed to be pushing for this new evolution for a while now, and with all the regular staff on other projects, I think the time is ripe for this. I hope they go all in to make this look spectacular, cause it’s possible

[@MajoraZ]

I completely disagree. While there's tons of things Spiderverse does right, like an incredible cel shaded style and 2d overlay effects for smears and a perspective heavy look normally only 2d animation can do; Spiderverse also needlessly limits the animation of the 3d so movement doesn't happen every single frame (like in 2d, where movement is on twos, or on threes, etc), which ends up looking choppy: The fact that 3d software automatically CAN show movement every single frame with no extra effort is one of the advantages the medium has: Why not combine the best of both worlds where you have the butter smooth animation with movement on every frame that 3d offers, and then just do the cel shading and hand drawn smear overlays?

[@MAR-sc7np]

@@MajoraZ I thinking they did that on purpose.

[@anlexaify]

@@MajoraZ ... That was on purpose..

[@MajoraZ]

@@anlexaify I'm aware, I think it looks bad.

[@lostcrusader8053]

@@MajoraZ I suppose it comes down to the style choice and give the feel of 2D animation. Letting the movement be on every single frame would lose the purpose of making Spiderverse feel different from every other 3D films.

[@UnspokenAnime]

You’re finally back 🎉

[@nobo77]

Also glad to see a you back making a new video! Never knew I was a fan of technical animation videos until your channel.

[@astrapsy]

You might have the single best intro video on KZbin. be proud of that thing man.

[@LewtwoYT]

holy shit new ajay video

[@johnsamuels958]

Man I am soo happy to see your intro again

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Quality as always! Great video man👍

[@echosmoon5605]

I have full faith that the team knows what they’re doing! So I’m very excited to see more

[@hrstar24]

I was just thinking how I hope AnimeAjay comes back to explain the new movie animation, and then this video popped into my feed, thank god

[@ferka6447]

I'm just happy it's nothing like resurrection F.

[@shangothunder1055]

Resurrection F looked fine.🤷‍♂️

[@shangothunder1055]

@@andrewhaddow7843 I'm talking about the movie not the anime tv arc.

[@shangothunder1055]

@@andrewhaddow7843 Your delusional.

[@saudbintalib5701]

Well the Dragon Ball Super:Super Hero movie that's coming in 2022 would have an art/animation style that's like a nice perfect blend between 2D and 3D.........

[@csciabar]

Blowing my mind with these points. Great work.

[@MozillaVulpix]

Nice video! Good to see you back, Ajay. One thing I wanted to mention about the Hugtto Precure movie is even the last hour has some bits in 2D - in the 'final battle' section the Heartcatch and Fresh team's bits are in 2D. I don't know if it was because their existing 3D models weren't up to the same standards or just because they wanted Umakoshi to draw something. But it's a good comparison to show how even a continuous scene can try seamlessly switch between 3D and 2D and back again.

[@cinnamonpancakes54]

Been waiting for this return since that last Broly animation review , hope you’re good and I hope you stay

[@milchprodukt]

Ajay, it is great to see you back with some fresh dragonball content Looking forward for your animation breakdowns ! Thanks for your work bro!

[@themysteriousspeeddemon]

it's pretty good that the model combined with the hand done stuff actually looks good but i do wish it had less shading to make it look more 2d, cause from what i saw the shading stayed still Even When goku was kicking, i dunno the less detailed designs grewd on me and i wish i see more of that bouncy cartoony looking movement to give the animation more life.

[@CalebByRamen]

the CG parts of Broly were actually my least favorite of the movie.

[@blackgatecertified6952]

Yeah it sucked no lie let's not lie to ourselves.

[@metube1744]

As everybody else’s

[@0Aberration]

It's really good to have you back! I'm feeling cautious about where this is going, but I'll watch the film (whenever it's available for home viewing). And I'm definitely looking forward to any coverage and commentary you have, of course!

[@kean4073]

I think in motion, the animation looks good, especially with that fixed camera edit, but I don't like the static goku they show after. To me, it looks like a more plastic looking model from the one in Kakarot so I hope the 3DCG is only used for the action scenes where the flaws in the model are harder to notice rather than in all of the slice of life scenes

[@wwalton]

Honestly I think it's looks less plastic than dragonball super I mean it shouldn't especially because dbs is 2d animated but it does edit- I guess his boot looks a bit weird but that's really it

[@kean4073]

@@wwalton I 100% agree that it looks less plasticy than DBS (particularly the earlier arcs) but I despised how the DBS art style looked up until the TOP so I wish they tried to go for a more cell shaded approach to fit better with the Shintani art style

[@wwalton]

@@kean4073 I think super looks so much better in later arcs like when other animators throw in their flare especially when it comes to the hair and face also yeah I can see how you would want it to look like the Shintani style since I think the slice of life parts are gonna be in that style I think I hope

[@LamarlovesJesus]

Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose again put your faith in Christ

[@abzu235]

I honestly love this style. Hope they do something unique with it

[@GadianRat]

That camera motion info pretty put it into perspective for me

[@SNAKE-fk9zw]

HE'S BACK

[@IgnaStom]

1:39 HOW IS 2D LIMITING IT BAFFLES ME

[@skurt5525]

3D and 2D both have things the other struggles with, for example doing rotations and having wilder camera angles is harder when the camera simply is the drawings. To see what I mean you could look at the second part of the DB Legends intro and compare how the camera follows the action compared to some 2D intros of older games. 3D and 2D are usually used together if a scene wants to have a lot of camera movement like in Demon Slayer for example. The main benefit of 2D is that you are not working with a model thus giving the animator more freedom. There are obviously other differences but you get the point.

[@soyakat]

Ohh the intro brings me back so many memories:') I'm so glad to see ur back!💜

[@FlameOfTheDead12]

Your back and the hype train is also running again hopefully this won't stop after the film and we get the anime back as well

[@Workmusic1988]

Hype! It's been a while since I've seen a video of yours. Missed em man!

[@Fuzzycuffsqt]

Cool. I didn't notice how much of the choppy-ness came from the camera movement. Goku's hair snapping into a different position is what caught my eye at first.

[@omiomatos6002]

I really missed that intro!! Welcome back Ajay

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

"Dragon ball is a perfect series with no inconsistencies." DB: * Goku's hair spontaneously retcons itself over the course of the same shot *

[@ThatsReallyCrazy]

Who ever said that first line

[@wolfdragox5563]

@@ThatsReallyCrazy nobody ever since Dbs

[@monchito2700]

Glad to see you back! love your work!!!

[@starblaststudios]

HERE WE GO!

[@sdzero]

There this notion that 3D CGI is better than traditional 2D animation. Which is like saying sculptures are better than paintings. They're just two different forms of art conveying an image. Japan mastered the traditional art of animation decades ago in the 1980s. I see no reason to relinquish the medium because we're not doing it as much in the West anymore. The truth is the only company that abandoned traditional animation was Disney. That wasn't necessarily a good thing because it simply made traditional animation more of a lost art. Less and less people out there do it anymore. Which is a real shame.

[@demiberserker6766]

Yayyyy Animeajay is BACKKKKKK

[@rahulyerramneedi5170]

Welcome back King!

[@Danyaalx]

ANIMEAJAY VIDEO LETS GO!!!!!

[@twTheivid]

I know you're not back to uploading regularly or anything, but just wanted to say that it was awesome to watch one of your videos again. Thanks for the great insight, as always :D

[@Lone_Rocket]

I dont intrinsically hate 3d anime. I think, if given enough love, care, and time. it can even be better then 2d animation. Look at a lot of pixars movies, and at things like Beaststars for a more anime centric example. But the problem is that a lot of productions don't get the required time and care they required, or they get handled by more inexperienced studios (like beserk 2016). The end result just ends up looking so much worse then traditional 2d. Its just so easy to screw up 3d animation if you dont know what your doing, and it worries me whenever a new 3d animated series or film comes out because the track record for these sorts of things arnt great. Bug yeah, it looks like this Dragon Ball movie knows what its doing for the most part (minus the camera, really hope they fix that). And this video really did a good job explaining to me why I shouldnt worry as much about this production. So thanks for the great vid Ajay.

[@Scarlight_JB]

0:22 THE OLD INTRO IS BACK. YES

[@addeemmanuel8665]

A prophecy once spoke of the return of a king, I guess it has been fulfilled

[@victormanuelperez92]

Yay! AnimeAjay is back!

[@gtone339]

The contrastv+ shading is beyond the cell-shaded method used on most DB video games.

[@TeoReviews]

I'm depressed we're not getting another Shintani centric film. That was a legendary vibe and look and I'm sad to see it go so quickly. It's actually shocking especially after Broly and how it changed the look of the series.

[@HolyCrepe]

welcome back! also nice throwback with the old intro :D

[@Amplifymagic]

Although I don't like the issue with some of the artistic charm lost in relying solely on 3d assets, judging by the high bar set by the DB Legends trailer I have confidence that they can make quality content. The Piccolo pic is definitely an example of the 3d render in action, that "character sheet" is definitely the new 3d model in practice. As long as we fine-tune and correct a lot of the art like you said the movie has extremely high potential to surpass our wildest dreams for consistent and quality fast-paced animation without budgeting issues.

[@cirooooo6440]

Love your videos! Hope you do more like this, really helps me understand animation 😊 I'm sure a lot of other people feel the same way too!

[@darianthaine2787]

I'm not super thrilled that it's 3d, and I can't say I like that part of the reasoning is to appeal to America. As an American I've never liked how we basically completely shifted away from traditional 2d animation, so this movie really kills me from that perspective.

[@MC-up7rl]

I think a little part of me would die if the anime industry as a whole ever decided to prioritise 3d models over hand drawn characters.

[@Mandalore_ultimate]

There's no evidence showing that it'll be 3D though.

[@SonGoku84]

I think anime execs think we (IE western anime fans) see 2D animation as some sort of compromise, when if anything it's a huge part of the appeal of anime. I love 2D animation no matter where it's from, but America has almost completely abandoned it, at least when it comes to cinema. Anime and especially anime films are some of the last refuges where we get to see 2D animation on such a scale and I'd hate to see that phased out. Like, Lupin the Third: The First was absolutely fantastic, and I'm glad it showed that Japanese animation studios can make a 3D film every bit as stunning and vibrant as Disney or Pixar can make, but that's almost to a fault; visually speaking it wasn't all too different experience from the films those two studios put out, and I'd hate to see animated films get completely homogenised like that. Getting to see films like Broly or Promare on the big screen is a rare enough experience as is; I'd hate to see it go completely extinct.

[@MrFlip2247]

@@MC-up7rl well seeing that animation studios refuse to treat animators like humans with proper pay. it might be the future we are heading towards.

[@jwizz1396]

@@MrFlip2247 that another reason why we are getting this film most likely I heard the animator burnout in Japan is real.

[@jamescandeletta6868]

So good to hear your voice !

[@DontEatGlass]

Nice! Let's hope the CG is worth the hype.

[@leebaldado9620]

Won’t be surprised if they have a collab with Arcsystem works here, Like how they did with fighterZ - limited camera movement, varying frame rates, cel shading, etc.

[@TheGreenManiac10]

Great seeing you on KZbin again

[@TheDBZtler]

A slice of life movie seems very interesting to me. Dragon Ball Movies so far have just been "this is the next big challange to overcome" or "here is the next bad guy, beat him up". I would love something that explores the characters more thouroughly and gives us something to expand our understanding. Perhaps even more Lore about the world or clearing up past hickups with a nice premise and just seeing our heroes flourish for a while would be a nice change. Hopefully it's about Goku getting to know Broly better and training him or maybe even Vegeta doing that.

[@FroggyORTIZ]

I’m glad you’re back man!

[@bebopblue]

I had a action figure of Goku years ago, and I was impressed how his hair looked from different angles close to how it is drawn. Another figure I had didn’t try. His messy hair was just sorta 2 dimensional from the side, the rest of his almost looks like Bruce Lee.

[@SSJFutureGohan62093]

Short answer: We don’t know. Long answer: We don’t know. Any answer: We don’t know.

[@RakuraiNetwork]

Great video, man!

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

I've learned to see, though far from master din my own drawings, the understanding that inconsistencies and variations in shape structure and rhythm can bring a still image alive that I don't think I would ever have been able to see if I had never started drawing. It's the same principle with 2D versus 3D animation. Your mind starts to tune out all of the things that are consistent across shots and frames, but the inherent variations put in by hand-drawn frames continually revivifies the experience.

[@maganhassan2627]

the intro though... nice! I am curious how the movie will look for real I think it looks quite impressive it's mix of 2D & 3D animation I am willing to give this movie a shot then

[@facuuaf]

Ajay, i used to believe that the issue with the camera had to do with timing, not spacing. The camera was moving at variable framerates, a spacing issue for me would be for example if the framerate was stable but the distance in space was uneven. You still feel a jankiness and pull even with perfect framerate. That's why it was so easy to fix in a fan edit

[@the11thhour44]

Great video! Was scrolling through your twitter a few days back so all of this isn't news to me, but condensing it into a video is really the way to bring that information to the confused dragonball masses

[@lssjgaming1599]

I’d much rather the film be 100% CGI than to switch between 2D for low key moments and 3D for action as that would be really distracting for me. It’s like I’d rather it look consistent

[@fishpastethe4th340]

Always good to see a notification from you!

[@noob_jr_2sjrkc]

The biggest turn-off I have with CGI anime is how robotic character expressions tend to be. Without breaking the model, they are much less expressive than 2D counterparts, and I have yet to see anime CGI that overcomes that.

[@yashaoftheflames8475]

Finally more content