Will Everyone Be Saved? | Tim Keller

Tim Keller explains how Jesus's teaching regarding hell and eternal punishment inform Christian beliefs on whether everyone will be saved in the end.
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[@raichuubaybee]

To my understanding, God loves everyone but not in the same way. His elect have a special love that the non-elect doesn't have. God is still compassionate and kind to the non-believers but has a Fatherly love to those who are His.

[@DrMJS]

What about John 6 and 10? While what Keller says is true and accurate, nevertheless it is not simply to be inferred that not all will be saved. I thank God that He has saved me by His grace, that He chose me in Christ before the foundation of the world.

[@noweternity3101]

John 3 : 14 - 21 "Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

[@chadwhite6302]

Jesus also said to expand your horizons on the amount of people that will be saved. God's kingdom is not small, but larger than anything anyone could ever imagine.

[@KJV7154]

Yes from the millions of children that have been killed. Not the adults..

[@alwaysadawg6488]

Where is that adult-child distinction stated in the Bible? It isn't. You are adding to scripture to try to justify an unbiblical doctrine.

[@ohbrother8530]

On KZbin there's plenty of Charles Spurgeon and Martin Llyod Jones sermons; they will get your head straight. And if you dare listen to Jonathan Edward's sermons on hell.

[@MrLJolley06]

What's Jonathan Edwards have to say about hell?

[@karaj555]

Read sinners in the hands of an angry God. It's a famous sermon of his, but he has quite a bit to say about heaven, hell, and grace in his books/writings.

[@martywilliard]

Everyone in! The water is fine. Right? Everyone wins !

[@theearstohear]

You are right about that.

[@cynthiaerickson3646]

to lui,thank the Lord He showed u truth

[@andrescruzpimentel6365]

If you claim to say God is unjust and unfair who are YOU to say he is unjust just and unfair , By your standards?. Man fell into sin from Adam and eve the price of sin = death . But he gave us free will and with that great gift follows the greatest possible calamities. Which again ties back to sin , every human knows right and wrong in their hearts it's called morality. And creation itself is enough to prove a creator , need more proof? Because it you expect him to come to you in a cloud when you want him too it ain't gonna happen.

[@robertjasso6673]

That’s accurate when you study the gospels . As RC Sproul would ask, you say you’re saved ? Saved from what? And the answer ,You’re saved from God! God’s justice, God’s wrath.....Yes be afraid, be very afraid..... It’s the beginning of WISDOM!

[@lifeInAFallenWorld22]

Tim Keller tells the truth. Everyone SHOULD listen.

[@mythacat1]

Only in Mathew and once in Mark does he talk about it. The jews at the time would have understood about the restoration of all things, Mathew was written for the Jews. He also warned about the teachings of the Pharisees, who also were teachers of eternal torment. The argument for Eternal Torment is not so apparent as people pretend it is.

[@77goanywhere]

What if God is not willing that any be lost? If God is not willing that ultimately any be lost, is he not able to accomplish al that he wills? Is he like men, willing to settle for CD 5% of what he wills? Did Jesus come to rescue only a remnant, or did he come to "seek and to save THAT (I.e. all) which was lost? If you think God is prepared to settle for less than his whole desire, the Bible would beg to differ. 1 Tim 2:1-6, Isaiah 46:10.

[@Truth537]

Alright people. God is good, we know that. What is His plan for you as a believer? It is to go and tell the world the good news about His Son Jesus Christ. 'Go into all the world and preach the gospel'. Use whatever gifts you have to serve God in His Kingdom and give yourself to the reaching of the lost. That is God's ultimate purpose. Be filled with the Spirit, fight the good fight of faith, stay away from political agendas, don't get religious and do what God wants you to do. God Bless you.

[@Nick-fj6sw]

As a matter of fact, it does make sense for Jesus to speak about hell frequently, even if "everyone" isn't [or doesn't] go there. For some strange reason, the Ultra-Right radical conservative "Christians" frankly assume/assert that everyone and their mothers are going to hell, have gone to hell or will go to hell... or the even more stupid and creepy notion that God created some people so that he could just throw them In Hell. He did it to describe to you - the listener - what he (The Savior) saved you from, which you would've rightfully deserved 🙂

[@IgnasNesvarbu]

cool story bro

[@pietyandpipes9081]

Man, tough question to answer in 55 seconds, but its 55 seconds of truth. Strangely enough, the cliche claim of the day is that the OT is full of a wrathful God when compared to the NT. But I find as one studies the story of the Hebrew Scripture as a whole, there is far more there suggesting God is working for the possible Redemption of everyone in mind (Genesis 12:1-3). So it seems clearer and clearer that those who will receive the justice that Jesus teaches will be there by their own decision, by their own hardness of heart, by their own incapability of loving God, and by their own rejection of the Heart restoring gospel.

[@TheAwesomeKoiFish]

i dont wanna get into a religious argument but if u wanted answers i hoped this sort of helped

[@billyholly]

@99minerkc Where can I find that? I'm very curious.

[@david52875]

What you described is known in philosophy as the "Problem of evil". It tries to show the the existence of God and evil contradict one another. A Theist response to this argument is called a "theodicy". the best answer I can give you is to look at different formulations of the problem of evil and any rebuttals. I would recommend reading about Alvin Plantinga's free-will defense. Good luck.

[@coreyfriend1]

18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. - Romans 5:18-19

[@DNGUYEN88]

@MrGoodNKinky I agree with you with regard to the images.

[@SwordofManticorE]

@barrychristianson Your a trooper Barry. Keep it up. BTW ignor the stupidity of certain attacks from the hypocrites.

[@brentford7844]

Also, in addition to what I said, if you believe in eternal torment then why aren't you on the street begging for people to come to Jesus instead of sitting in front of your computer or phone. The person right beside you, the person in your workplace. Look they need your help!!! If you really believe in this doctrine and you really love the person that your sitting next to you you should be begging for them.

[@danrebolledo8385]

+Brent Ford Knowing the fear of the Lord we persuade men. I hope you'll join us some day.

[@lfzadra]

@386ABC "Weeping and gnashing of teeth is about THIS life" Christian creativity never cease to amaze me. No wonder we have hundreds of versions of christianity. If people can bend words in order to mean anything they like, then Jesus is truly the personal savior, a delusion that can be customized to suit any personal desire. All you need is faith and the assumption that the voice inside in your head is not, in fact, you.

[@onwilson2]

Please bring back the Ampers New City Cathchism.

[@billyholly]

@99minerkc ...so all these verses are off the mark? Job 11:8, Job 26:6, Psalm 9:17, 16:10, 139:8, Proverb 15:14, Isaih 5:14, 14:15, Mathew 5:22, 5:29, 10:28, 18:8, 25:41, 25:46, 2 thess. 1:9, Maark 3:22, Isaih 33:14, 2 peter 1:17, 20:13, 20:14

[@applesewer2684]

I read that, of the 1944 verses that contain Jesus's words in the gospels, only 60 of them have anything to do with hell. That's 3%. By contrast 192 reference heaven or his coming kingdom, that's 10%. Seems to me Jesus was more concerned with our hearts and lives than with hell. (source: www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundamentalistchristians/2015/01/did-jesus-speak-more-about-hell-than-about-heaven/)

[@PashiaMusic]

The claim was that Jesus speaks more about hell than any other writer found in the texts, not that he speaks more about hell than any other topic. The point was that God himself chose to address hell more than any of his followers so clearly it's a reality.

[@Insaneplanetman]

@MrGoodNKinky It does not occur at all in the Old Testament, you might get it in some translations, but the Old testament makes a lot of mention of Sheol which is not the same thing the closest it comes to talking about some form of post death punishment is "Abaddon' but the concept of eternal torment is not really clarified until Jesus comes along, he may not talk about death more, but he does talk about it in a lot more detail. Death is different to the lake of fire

[@SwordofManticorE]

@gtrjunky Well what is the purpose of a warning if people dont need it and believe anyways?

[@Toph_]

@SwordofManticorE No, that wasn't referring to your comments on hell. It was referring simply to the fact that you said Christ came only for Israel, and then cited Rom 15:8 while ignoring Rom 15:9, which speaks of the Gentiles who will be saved and glorify God for his mercy. That's what I mean by pulling verses out of context: the even the next verse disproves your point. Gen 12:3 is not what Rom 15:8 refers to. God was specifically talking to Abraham there. See Rom 3:25 for the promise

[@Insaneplanetman]

@MrGoodNKinky He said that Jesus talks about hell more than anywhere else in the Bible, he didn't say he talked about it more then heaven or anything else.

[@j919or]

@386ABC "last enemy to be destroyed is death "" Paul is speaking to believers and therefore this applies to believers. Jesus spoke of eternal torment and the flame of fire for those that were dead. This is in synch with outerdarkness and weeeping and gnashing teeth for eternity outside of Gods presence will feel like fire.

[@theearstohear]

I apologize but I don't understand what you are saying. Can you restate that for me?

[@therealawakener7]

So we are crucified to the world and yet we live to God and destroy our enemies with the fire from our mouths, which fire is nothing more or less than the Word of God. I hope that explains to your satisfaction why Mat 5:22 tells us not to be angry in vain or out of vanity which I'm no being so. The verse certainly is not saying that Christ's elect are never to be angry. Matt 5:22 is saying is that Christ's elect are not to be angry out of their own vanity. You are in fear of hell, I am free.

[@SwordofManticorE]

@gtrjunky So you don't desire universal salvation I take it?

[@amycobb5020]

Hard to get a clear understanding from 54 sec -there is a sermon called Hell in iTunes from Tim Keller. Listen to that and then comment.

[@Toph_]

@SwordofManticorE And since I have now expressed my opinion and "answered it," please explain the numerous passages that so clearly refute the one verse to which you can point that is the basis for the entirety of your theology.

[@DNGUYEN88]

@MrGoodNKinky You've got it backwards with regard to the ten commandments. That was the law, Christ came to accomplish the law, by finishing what the law required, (sinlessness) and also, finishing what the law required if you broke it (old testament sacrificial system), he lived the perfect life, became the unblemished lamb that would be sacrificed, became the scapegoat in which the sins were cast upon.

[@SwordofManticorE]

@gtrjunky I do not denie that I hate, or have been a hypocrite. You do.

[@stinny777]

ok, so basically saying that we cannot know the ways of God because he is just too wise and powerful and we cant comprehend him?

[@Blogrich55]

If God truly loved ALL mankind and sincerely desired their salvation (even though He has reprobated many to hell) we must ask ourselves why He created hell in the first place.

[@harpsichordkid]

I think people misunderstand hell. They don’t see the intrinsic link between their actions and the consequences. Hell is the natural consequence of sin, of engagement with evil. And it’s not just in the afterlife. Sin can make a hell-on-earth real quick - both for the individual & for those in his/her life. When this world is no more, when all your earthly possessions and securities are gone, where will you find yourself? If you’ve spend your life clinging to heavenly things, when this temporal world is gone, you’ll still be clinging to heavenly things. In that day, you’ll have heaven, and you’ll have it fully because the temporal things are no more. But if you spent life clinging to temporal things, to worldly vanities and evil, these are the things you’ll be left with when the world is no more. With this world taken away, and the comforts of this world, you will be forced to face the evils you have done and the life you have wasted. That will be hell.

[@PSG81]

There are more souls in hell than in heaven

[@alwaysadawg6488]

Where in the scriptures does it say this? You are speaking from doctrine, not the Bible.@@PSG81

[@therealawakener7]

Jer 5:14 Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them. Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath. Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

[@SwordofManticorE]

@gtrIhateuniversalsalvation So in other words, if a man only believes in God because he wants to avoid going to a place called hell because Christ warned of such a place and is saved, do you call that justice?

[@thegospelcoalition]

Keller: Will Everyone Be Saved? If Not, Why Not?

[@OccultThinkTankOFFICIAL]

@Jugglable That claim also contradicts Genesis 3:7 which clearly states their eyes were opened. Which indicates an awakening of new understanding not that they already knew something before they did it. Show chapter and verse in Genesis chapter 1 or 2 that states Adam & Eve had freewill! A strong case could be made that it wasn't a Sin at all. Genesis 1:29 God said Every Tree which is the fruit of a tree for you it shall be for meat. not every tree but one!

[@Toph_]

@SwordofManticorE Way to evade all of my points. I am talking about the devil, demons, and hell. This is what we've been talking about. I was laughing because I knew you wouldn't have an answer for it. And you haven't given one. But clearly, you're not even in this discussion anymore, seeing as how you cannot answer any of my questions, and in that way you've defeated yourself. Its been nice talking with you. I hope someday you can really take a closer look at your beliefs. God bless.

[@SwordofManticorE]

@gtrjunky I gave the same type of answer you gave me.

[@SwordofManticorE]

@phillycj268 Romans 9:16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. Speaking of such, which God is more merciful? My God or your god?

[@Thephyguy]

The idea of spirit that I have is observable and can be analyzed. It isn't anything about magic or wishful thinking. Just because I don't believe in your make believe doesn't mean my life is meaningless. That is your own nihilism showing it's ugly face: you can't be happy unless you make what you have before you meaningless, just so you can be happy about something you're want to believe. It is no atheist's fault that you have this problem. Just try being compassionate because it helps others

[@SwordofManticorE]

@gtrjunky So then Christ wasted His time preaching about hell if it was not needed? Is that what you are saying?

[@polycarp256]

anyone for questioning; look at Lukes gospel where he mentions the names of the sons of the man who helped carry Jesus's cross. Why mention the names for any other reason? The real debate centers around whether or not the Gospels are in fact accurate, if so then there is your proof. Read anything by N.T. Wright. This man has been annoitted by God to have an understanding of the historical method and will greatly help you on your quest. And make no mistake, it is a quest.

[@StrumstickJoe]

@polycarp256 Do you know what a non-sequitur is?

[@Toph_]

@SwordofManticorE Paul absolutely talks about Hell in the sense that he talks about the wrath of God and his judgement of those who do not believe. Look even to Rom 2, almost the entire chapter speaks to the truth of God's judgment sending unbelievers to Hell. Verse 3: "that you will escape the judgement of God?" Verse 5: "you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgement will be revealed." Verse 8: "there will be wrath and fury." Care to explain these?

[@Toph_]

@SwordofManticorE Its simply that I use Scripture to interpret Scripture, and so I also understand that Jesus has those whom the Father has given to him. Not everyone will be saved. Please read the entirety of Scripture, not just the one passage which, as I said before, is difficult to explain. Please answer any of my questions, or explain any of the passages that I presented.

[@SwordofManticorE]

@gtrdickhead So why did he then?

[@OccultThinkTankOFFICIAL]

@Jugglable I am looking at it AS IT IS WRITTEN! I am also using BASIC LOGIC of the knowledge a child is born with. IF they already possessed the knowledge of Good and Evil then LOGICALLY in verse 7 of chapter 3 THERE EYES COULDN'TR HAVE BEEN OPENED SINCE THEY ALREADY WOULD HAVE BEEN OPEN! By the same token there would be no reason to conclude they were immortal since in verse 22 of chapter 3 the Lord God is concerned about them eating of the tree of life and LIVING FOREVER!

[@Connor0403]

Sorry for any confusion...what I'm saying is your claim "God does not love everyone" is not correct, Google the explanations of these verses or ask God to reveal the true meaning to the verses you have put in brackets, start with Romans 9:13

[@SwordofManticorE]

@gtrjunky I will let the future readers decide.

[@phrxhlsc]

My Revelation Timeline: I just want to give you a very important key point in the book of revelation that will somehow give you another idea of the timeline for the book of Revelation. I have been a prophecy student for only nine years now and I hope this will not be a cause to ignore my different view on the timeline. I am just hoping that you would help me debunk my view and convince me that I am wrong, My intention is really to find the truth and have this truth shared to others especially during this deceptive end times. First of, here is my understanding of the Tribulation period: Jer. 30:3-7 does not say that the time of Jacob’s trouble is 7 years. The first 3.5 years was already fulfilled by Jesus Christ as described in Daniel 9:27. Through the death of Jesus, the sacrifice and offering was abolished. On the east wing of the temple, the abomination and desolation referred to here is the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Daniel 11:31,32 is where the Antichrist will appear at the Temple to desecrate it by his armies, and to set up the abomination and desolation, and this is the one that Jesus warned us of on Matthew 24:15. Jesus confirms His Holy Covenant for 1 seven, the remaining half will be in the future. In the case of the Antichrist, he will forsake and vent his fury on the Holy Covenant for 3.5 years, Daniel 11:30, his version of Daniel 9:27. Remember that Satan will counterfeit all that is prophesied in the end times to make the antichrist appear as the messiah. The 7 years of tribulation view is being promoted by Satan maybe because there will be a 3.5 years fake tribulation and a dummy antichrist. I n order that I will not somehow offend or create an uproar on this, in case, here is a biblical principle to guide us: Matthew 16:15-1715 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. Six verses after… Matthew 16:23Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.” The same mouth that glorified Jesus Christ is the same mouth that insulted Jesus Christ. Most of the time we put ourselves in Peter’s shoes. So you see, not all truths or revelation are given all to just one prophecy student. We are all vessels and channels of God’s truth and revelation depending on the nature of our heart’s desires. Let us help one another to put the puzzle pieces together as one Body of Christ. If we are searching for truth to proved that we are right, there is a certain kind of spirit that guides our understanding of scriptures. But if we are searching for the truth to gain knowledge, wisdom, and freedom, for us and for others too, then that is another kind of spirit. Now here is my take on the Half Hour Silence in Heaven which will make an entirely different view on the timeline of Revelation: 1. 1 John 2:18, Dear children, this is the LAST HOUR; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, EVEN NOW many antichrists have come. THIS IS HOW we know it is the LAST HOUR.2. Revelation 8:1,When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about HALF AN HOUR. We know that the writer of 1John and Revelation is John the Apostle. It is obvious that John holds the same understanding of what hour was to him both for the above scriptures that he revealed. So is it safe to assume that the LAST HOUR that he is telling us is 2,000 years in duration assuming that the antichrist will appear in our time? Does HALF AN Hour could mean then as 1,000 years? If so, then it could probably mean that the HALF AN HOUR silence in Heaven is the Millennium. What do you think? So with this key point, definitely the timeline will be entirely different from the popular and prevailing ones. Please bear with me as I present to you my timeline: Seals 1 to 4 begun at Ascension/Pentecost and continuous on up to the end of Seal 6, which is the great tribulation (As Jesus described that wars, death from wild animals, economic woes, famines, pestilence, earthquakes will continue on before the end). the Bowl Judgement and Armageddon happening at the end of the Great Tribulation. Rev. 6:1-8,Rev. 16:13-17 (check the similarity of the words “the island fled away and the mountains cannot be found”) Seal 5 begun from death of Stephen up to the last Saint to be martyred in the Great Tribulation. Rev. 6:9-12 Seal 7 as i explained above, begins at the start of the millennium Rev. 8. The Half Hour silence in Heaven is the millennium, a thousand year of peace on the Earthly Realm and Half Hour Peace in the Heavenly Realm. At the end of the millennium, Satan will be released from the Abyss (Rev. 20:7) to deceive the nations again. Trumpets 1 to 4 happens at the end of the millennium, it is the destruction of a third of trees, grass, sea, waters, and a third of the celestial objects are struck. Trumpet 5 is when Satan was released from the Abyss and Locust-Like Creatures torturing those who does not have the seal of God on their foreheads (entirely different from those with the mark of the beast on their foreheads which were described in the bowl judgement happening at the end of the great tribulation, while those who are sealed by God were present at the Great Tribulation and lived on through the Millennium). Trumpet 6 is Gog and Magog to kill a third of mankind, led by Satan. Ezekiel 38. The Angel and the Little Scroll Rev. 10, which is entirely different from the Scroll and the Lamb of Rev. 5, is about PROPHESYING AGAIN by the Two Witness at the end of the millennium. Probably Moses and Elijah (or Moses and Aaron, like the Exodus event again) could be them, their Spirit indwelt on the two prophet that will be anointed on that time. ( Like John the Baptist having the Spirit of Elijah) SOULS under the ALTAR, because they are still on earth/grave Rev. 6:9 (Heaven is my throne and the Earth is my footstool Isiah 66:1), is different from the SAINTS on the GOLDEN ALTAR before the Throne, because they lived on throughout the Millennium Rev. 8:3,4 The Saints will be the Royal Priesthood during the Millennium Rev. 20:6, Jesus Christ as their King. They were not judged yet but they were given authority to be Judges Rev. 20:4 (like those in the Book of Judges). The Saints will only then become kings over the nations after they received their crowns at the Great White Throne Judgement Rev. 21:24. The Two Witness, I believe are the ones who will cause all the plagues of the Trumpets Judgement at the end of the Millennium. (Like during the time of Moses, and again this time the Remnant Israel will go through it again) Rev 11:4-6 Trumpet 7 is the Great White Throne Judgement, Rev.11:15-19, Rev. 20:11-14 , the second resurrection, where the dead will be judged(sheep and goat, based on Works written in the books that were opened and on the names that were written in the Book of Life), and the saints and prophets judged for their rewards (crowns will be given to them). Judgement Seat of Christ (termed by Paul) and The Great White Throne (termed by John) is the same. Throne and Seat is the same in meaning. (John and Paul, during their time, were not given the opportunity to collaborate on this, given their situations) What makes Seven Bowls different from the Seven Trumpet that made it appear happening in two different timelines? Here are my keypoints. Bowls happens at the Great Tribulation / Trumpets happens at the end of the Millennium Bowls : Mark of the Beast Trumpets: Those who does not have the Seal of God (No mention of mark of the beast) Bowls : Beast and False Prophetthat come out from the Sea/EarthDragon hurled DOWN from HeavenRev. 12 & 13 Trumpets: Angel(Satan/Beast) of the Abyss (Bottomless Pit) / Beast (Satan/8th King) that come UPfrom the Abyss (Rev. 20) Apollyon, Abaddon Bowls : No mention of Abyss Trumpets: Abyss mentioned Thrice. Bowls : Gog and Magog in Armageddon Ez. 39Seven Years of Burning Weapons andSeven Months of Burying carried overthrough the Millennium,God’s Holy Name made known to IsraelCorpse given to the Birds Trumpets: Gog and Magog Ez.38, 200 million man army on locust horses, Unwalled City,People living in Safety, Recovered from War,God’s Holy Name made known to the NationsNo Mention of Corpse given to Birds Bowls : Before Armageddon, Dead in Christ/Saints came to life Rev. 16:15,the rest of the dead did not come to life Rev. 20:5so they were not judged yet.This is the First Resurrection Trumpets: White Throne Judgement, Rev. 20:11Time to judge the Dead and Reward the Saints and the Prophets, Rev. 11:18This is the Second Resurrection, Time is no longer, the Ark of the Covenant appeared, Mercy Seat of Christ, Mystery of God in Christ is completed Col.2, 1 Cor. 15:24-28 Bowls : Tremendous earthquake, cursed God Rev.16:17-20 Trumpets: Severe Earthquake, gave Glory to God Rev. 11:13 to be continued.....

[@phrxhlsc]

I placed the Resurrection of the Dead in Christ and the Rapture of the Alive in Christ in between the Sixth Bowl and the Seventh Bowl. Here are the Key Verses: Rev. 21:9 is about The New Jerusalem, the Bride, the Wife (Married already) of the Lamb (this is after the end of the Millennium, and start of the New Heaven and New Earth) 9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” (I hope we don’t have another bride in mind, like what pretribbers did to Matthew 24:29,30, making it the second rapture/resurrection, which they say is still an integral part of the first resurrection of Rev. 20. Jesus will get His Bride one time only, not several times) Question:Why does it have to be ONE OF THE SEVEN ANGELS WHO HAD THE SEVEN BOWLS, be the one appointed by Jesus to show to John the Bride? Why not one of the seven angels who had the trumpets, or Michael, or Gabriel, or any other Angels? Answer:Checkout Rev. 16:12-1512 THE SIXTH ANGEL POUR OUT HIS BOWL on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13 Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty. 15 Behold (look) I (Jesus) come as a THIEF (to snatch and steal away)! BLESSED is the ONE (Bride) who stays awake (watching) and remains clothed (OIL/HOLY SPIRIT), so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.” Matthew 22 To make the above more logically valid, here is another scriptures to back it up: Rev. 16:17-1917 The SEVENTH ANGEL poured out his BOWL into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” 18 Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since mankind has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. 19 The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered BABYLON THE GREAT and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath. Rev. 17:117 ONE of the SEVEN ANGELS who had the SEVEN BOWLS came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the GREAT PROSTITUTE, who sits by many waters. Conclusion: These two Angels are witnesses to the most significant thing that had happen to the Bride and the Prostitute, simultaneously. Please study who is the Bride. Make a comparison on the description of the 144,000 as the Bride and as Virgins in its natural and spiritual sense, then the description of the New Jerusalem in its sense of 12’s, it is very Israel, the real Jews who are of the circumcision of the heart, not of the flesh. Study also who are the Wedding Guests (Great Multitudes) and who are the Nations (the Sheep) that will be ruled by the kings (Saints) in the New Heaven and New Earth. The Book of Revelation is the story of God’s plan of salvation, grace, and justice to humanity in the end times and through eternity. This is where we can truly see the big picture. Match it with Jesus Christ’s Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24. Then the 10 Virgins (144,000/Tribulation Saints?), the Talents of the Servants (Wedding Guests/Dead in Christ?), The Sheep and the Goats (Risen Dead judged, some saved, some thrown in the lake of fire, in the White Throne Judgement/The Nations in New Heaven and New Earth?) in Matthew 25. I hope this one makes sense to you, though this one is one new and radical view of eschatology, and I have not encountered of anything like this through my searches in so many prophecy websites I visited. I would appreciate your comment and more importantly, your loving correction of this view. Y our Brother In Christ, Eaglet

[@decebaltrandafir]

I think people who dont beleive in JESSUS and do not sorry for their sins will not be saved. Am i right? All people before CHRIST or who didnt hear the good new will be saved?

[@OKandNOWwhat]

"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca [empty head, that is, idiot], shall be in danger of the council: but WHOEVER SHALL SAY, THOU FOOL, SHALL BE IN DANGER OF GEHENNA OF FIRE." So, have Jesus' words passed away because there is no longer a garbage dump in the valley of Hinnom? He was therefore using the contemporary metaphor for the place of ultimate condemnation. Meet Jesus.

[@Toph_]

@SwordofManticorE eh my comments got out of order somehow, oh well. Yes, Romans 9:16! thats absolutely correct!! I agree completely with that. Why are you quoting it to me? That actually proves my point...we are saved by grace alone! Your God is blindingly merciful, without a sense of justice, and I would not worship him. I take into account the holistic view of God in the Bible, and I seek to understand all of his attributes, not just to pick and choose the ones that I like the most.

[@stephengorman1025]

Indeed Jesus teaches about punishment and wrath more than anyone. However what is the nature of this punishment. Mt 25 says it is kolasis (restorative) and not timoria (purely retributive). Secondly hell is not found anywhere in the Bible but is a poor translation of at least 4 different words (Sheol/Hades, Gehenna, Tartarus,) and is incorrectly linked to the Lake of Fire in Revelation. God is Love (not love but...) and His wrath is a manifestation of his Love for all creation. His wrath is directed against the Sin that distorts and destroys His Good creation and will ultimately eradicate it. Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the Sin of the World. Believe the Gospel and follow Jesus. Colossians 1v15-20

[@Jugglable]

@MrGoodNKinky I see that on your other channel, one of your favorite books is The God Delusion. I suggest you look a little deeper than that. That book isn't by a philosopher, and even got overwhelmingly negative reviews from atheists.

[@JAYDcougar]

hey this is a really sensitive issue, I'd love to try to answer them for you. But I'm not an expert. You should look up NT Wright he communicates this issue well

[@joshuatheo1419]

NT Wright is a heretic.

[@JordanMagill]

@@joshuatheo1419 lol

[@SwordofManticorE]

@gtrhellendorser I am still waiting for an answer from you.

[@DNGUYEN88]

@MrGoodNKinky Where did you get the idea that I said it is ok to do those things now? It's definitely not ok. Just because we have the forgiveness of sin through the cross does not mean we can continue sinning. That's why Paul writes "what shall we say then, Shall we go on sinning so that grace may Increase? By no means!" If we do a crime (ones that our societal laws prescribe) we should man up and do the sentence. I never said that you can get away with it.

[@SwordofManticorE]

@gtrectum As did you.

[@SwordofManticorE]

Tim, than maybe you have an answer for this question. These verses you use to say that Christ spoke more about hell (Gehenna) than He did heaven to the Jews, thats right he spoke about Gehenna to the Jews alone, so my question is this. Why didnt the apostel Paul warn the gentiles about the judgement of Gehenna? Acts 20:27 says Paul taught us all what God wants us to know, but why didnt he warn the gentiles about the fires of Gehenna? I know why, I just want to hear your responce.

[@JordanMagill]

Fair enough, but to whom did Jesus preach hell and condemnation? The stodgy, self-righteous religious leaders. Jesus only ever preached love and welcome to the outsiders, the outcasts, the "sinners."

[@JustSaying1957]

It’s not even a fair assessment. It’s ignorant.

[@harpsichordkid]

The “sinners” acknowledged they deserved wrath and were in need of grace. Others considered themselves “good”; they thought they didn’t need grace. Point is we all need grace because we are all sinners.

[@jedijudoka]

He also sent to repent and believe in him to be saved

[@SwordofManticorE]

@gtrjunky Im sorry, I was only speaking the only language you know. That is insults and sarcasm. I only wanted you to feel comfortable.

[@JAYDcougar]

Yhea i totally understand. but One our good deeds will never outweigh our bad deeds. Second a common misunderstanding is God chooses good people, because no human is inherently good. A common misconception is what separates you and me from God is goodness and badness. No it's spiritual deadness. Christ did not come to make bad people good, he came to make dead people live. Third, it's easy to get caught up in the idea of hell. Don't forget the Resurrection what was done on the cross.

[@StrumstickJoe]

@polycarp256 CH is one of the most articulate men I have ever known. His thoughts and opinions were crystal clear. It is impossible - as he said - to be an apostle of atheism, because it is not a belief. My principles are not a faith. We need no outside force to rely on - it is liberating to take responsibility for everything you have and do, and to not, ever, blame anyone for anything. Bye now. To make decisions about the nature of the universe, we dispose of needless assumptions

[@eloisaanjos6098]

Coloquem em portugues

[@DNGUYEN88]

@MrGoodNKinky He did do something! That's the point of the Gospel! First let's do the analogy of why God does what he does. If he is the judge, and is also perfect, loving, righteous and Holy, how would he judge us? If we all did the crime, is he not just in saying that we do the time? (yes, of course) which would therefore mean that he would be unjust if he let people go even though they were guilty correct? So, the verdict is, none of us actually deserve anything good in the first place.

[@JustSaying1957]

Incorrect

[@cappadinoceo]

@stinny777 theres no use trying to convince them... your efforts are an excercise in futility...

[@StrumstickJoe]

@polycarp256 Nice talking to you. Peace.

[@theearstohear]

"..Esau have I hated." (Rom 9:13) While it is true that the MAJORITY of professing Christendom would have you believe that this verse means "Esau I loved too," it is likewise abundantly clear from the context that this interpretation makes no sense. Who would accuse God of unrighteousness because he loved them both? (Rom 9:14) Such an interpretation may go over well at the local Mega-church, but it is an illogical mishandling of the word of God.

[@billyholly]

@1abacabbabacabb1 Right on! One of my favorite song lyrics... "I put a little truth in every lie, to tickle itching ears!" Using Jesus to validate a false "religion?" is a pretty cheap trick by the Quran.

[@DNGUYEN88]

@MrGoodNKinky I never said with regard to Jesus' atoning for our sins that it would exempt us from paying for our crimes here on earth. The bible says that you don't have to take responsibility and just pass it to Jesus, no you have to take responsibility, do what you have to do here on earth and turn from your sins. It would be cowardly if you did the crime and thought that you can just walk.

[@Scottles293]

@stinny777 We can know what God has revealed to us in the Scriptures and creation. The scriptures do show us Gods character and that He is Holy, and the scriptures show us that we were made in Gods image but at the fall we became separated from God. And yes i am saying that He is extremely wise and therefore infinitely more suitable to make judgements on fallen sinful humans. But He is also slow to anger and merciful and has provided a way for us to be reconciled to Him through faith in His Son

[@raichuubaybee]

I should have said that God does hate the sinner but kinda feel sorry for them. God is Holy and will HATE sin and sinners but He is also compassionate too. If you want to get scripture involved then Ezekiel 18:32 comes to mind, showing God's compassion for the wicked and also 1 Timothy 2:3-4. I'm still being taught by the Holy Spirit about this, it's all a bit confusing to me right now.

[@alwaysadawg6488]

If you learned that God hates sinners, the Holy Spirit did not teach it to you.

[@grant1r]

@Cousinsjay What does 3000 years have to do with whether God 'wrote' it or not? I think to load Timothy Keller with the presupposition that he thinks that the Bible was written by God 3000 years ago is false. The Bible was divinely inspired by God, written by men living in a particular historical and geographical context over a large number of years. Timothy Keller, as a Christian, declares that he has necessary information given by God to save him. What is feeble about that?

[@SwordofManticorE]

@phillycj268 I asked you to explain 1Tim 4:9-11 if there is no universal salvation. Answer it first plz.

[@JAYDcougar]

Oh my Gosh! Hun, their is so many lines of evidence! But here don't take my word for it. On youtube search a debate by Gary Habermas and Antony Flew, on did Christ rise. Also a great book is the case for the Resurrection of Jesus by Gary Habermas and The case for Christ By Lee Strobel, I would suggest watching the debate though because you have skeptic and a theist presenting their views. I hope this helps! You can message back what you think or any other comments :)

[@carlmoore6674]

Only the elect will be saved

[@thegospelmessenger1corinth634]

Carl Moore - ARE YOU SAVED??? Please examine yourself if you are saved or not! Did you know that Heaven is a free gift from God? Billions of people go to bed every night wondering if they have been “good enough” to go to heaven. There is no need to live in fear and doubt. Jesus taught that you can “know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” There are many passages in the Bible that teach the truth about Heaven being a free gift from God because of what Jesus did for us on the cross, not by our own good works. One of the most clear and important passages is from the Apostle Paul’s letter to the Ephesians: Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.” Most people think that Heaven is a riddle which can never be solved. This is not true! The Bible is very clear about how you get to Heaven, and how it comes by faith in Jesus Christ, not by trusting in our own good works. We are living in the dispensation of the grace of God, by believing and trusting the gospel of salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) given to our Apostle Paul by Jesus Christ you are saved and sealed with the holy Spirit of promise till the day of redemption!!! Ephesians 1:13 - King James Version 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Romans 2:16 - King James Version 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. (Paul's Gospel - 1 Corinthians chapter 15 verses 1-4). For solid Bible study, please visit ''Truth Time Radio'' - also on youtube - learn the truth and unlearn the lies!

[@carlmoore6674]

@@thegospelmessenger1corinth634 i am indeed

[@DNGUYEN88]

@DNGUYEN88 So out of his LOVE and GRACE he did something. So basically, in THIS life, it's not going to be rainbows and butterflies, we have all sinned. BUT he promised us that through the Cross we would be made righteous and holy when we stand before God. That at that point, there will be no more death, tears, suffering. Anyways, I can't say all I can say here since there's not enough space, and I don't want you reading too much. You are however, not informed of our theology enough though.

[@cougarsrule45]

Your irony would work here IF it were true that humans DIDN'T want to go to hell. But the fact is that every human naturally wants to go to hell and they stay wanting that IN hell. Jesus just gives you what you want.

[@jmar5785]

This is just a misunderstanding of scripture. Sin is it’s own punishment. When you lie, steal, betray etc... you are living in Gehenna, or hades, or Sheol. The word hell in not used. Jesus came to teach us how to live, not how to die or what happens to us when we die. To be saved is one who has figured out Jesus’ message, which is if you love God and love your neighbor you will not lie, steal or betray and then you will be happy or saved. So no, not everyone is saved. But then again there is no eternal punishment in hell after we die either. We will ALL meld in with the creator after we die. God is certainly not an eternal torturer. How anyone can believe that is beyond me. It’s crazy to think that decisions we make for X number of years on this planet could possibly have dire consequences that would last billions of years in the future. And vice versa as well. Heaven and Hell are now, in this life. You decide which one to live in. Now go and sin no more.

[@Sparda849]

If God loved everybody than wouldn't everybody go to Heaven?

[@SwordofManticorE]

@gtrjunky You!

[@Toph_]

@SwordofManticorE ...in the sense that we are free to choose God. Please don't shove beliefs down my throat that I haven't articulated. What you do is you ask, and I will tell you what I believe. Thats the kind and respectful thing to do. Isn't that a part of your belief system, to love your neighbor as yourself, to pray for those who persecute you? Let's see some of that faith in action if it is real, eh? Or maybe your fruit is showing your true beliefs, regardless of what you verbally say

[@BikiniDeathSquad]

Most humans will either spend eternity in torment, or there's no god.

[@johns294]

And God definitely doesn’t love everyone . Only the elect .

[@JAYDcougar]

so that you and I may have communion with God. Noone knows what Hell is like but it is not an obstacle course that God made to torture those who don't love Him. It's seperation from God. So I would suggest to you to stop listening to these rude people and really look at God and and what He's done. You will see that He isn't keen on a "torture chamber" ,as you put it, but to have a relationship with you and walk you through life.

[@jonathanguiltner7879]

Psalm 145 does not say that God "loves everything he has made."

[@PashiaMusic]

I believe he was referencing verse 9 which says "His mercy is over all that he has made (his creation)." Mercy is a byproduct of love.

[@OccultThinkTankOFFICIAL]

@DNGUYEN88 To Quote DATA from Star Trek First Contact, "Believing ones self to be perfect is often the sign of a delusional mind!"

[@Jugglable]

@MrGoodNKinky Adam and Even already had free will before they ate the fruit. They could choose to eat it or not.

[@BigBobsh2o]

@007cody5 And wouldn't other people who converted to Islam say the same thing? Or others who convert to other religions? You can't go on feelings alone. I'm sure there are many out there that believe that God himself pointed them to some religion other than Christianity. As humans our minds can lead us to all sorts of different directions. For better or for worse.