Will Forge SAVE Halo Infinite? - The Infinite Show 5

The Infinite Show, Episode 5.
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Forge good?
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:30 Forge
4:44 Will it save the game?
18:14 The technical issues
25:26 The Season 2 event
41:51 The MCC cut content
50:19 The Halo TV show
#Halo #HaloMCC #Infiniteshow

[@Hollowtide]

To answer the title, no.

[@revan5293]

^

[@wadedewell]

I haven't been happy with 343 ever since they took the franchise. They are incompetent. They ignore all negative feedback. They admitted to hiring people who hate halo to form the core of the studio.... They have a Kathleen kennedy/Anita sarkessian in BONNIE ROSS WHO EMPHASIZES DIVERSITY HIRES! I TRULY HATE 343 FOR RUINING HALO . 343 ARE LYING SCUMBAGS. THEY NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE FRANCHISE. F THIS COMPANY

[@namelessstranger1270]

My earliest estimate for Forge's arrival is six months to a year. Then another year for fixed custom games & Custom Games Browser. So, roughly two-three years before Forge is fully functional. I'm absolutely expecting it to be broken at flighting and launch, and that'll it will months or years before it's completely useable.

[@xXsillysussyXx]

??? it comes out in September

[@namelessstranger1270]

@@xXsillysussyXx It's supposed to have a flight (beta) on September, but I'm predicting that'll be delayed. And you honestly think it's going to work perfectly at launch?

[@_Phen_]

@@namelessstranger1270 You're overly negative

[@namelessstranger1270]

@@_Phen_ After all that's happened, it's logical to expect a lackluster performance from 343i. Infinite has been lackluster so far, so I'm honestly just being reasonable.

[@armstronggaming8566]

@@namelessstranger1270 Somewhat reasonable, still overly negative. Considering how smooth the coop flight went, I think it'll be fine. Only problem is it feels like 343 isn't really working on what we have currently, which is the standard multiplayer

[@blaynebittencourt5076]

I don't see forge doing much until we get a server browser , social features. I mean someone can make the best map ever made but if we don't have a way to play it what's the point.

[@deriznohappehquite]

They also need to fix the latency issues.

[@_Phen_]

The Aussie Chads are here

[@absolutewanker9384]

fucken oath.

[@Ares_gaming_117]

Nerd is a total Bruce. S tier shitposter imo

[@skyviewmedia5921]

Every time y’all release one of these I think, need more of this.

[@vaniellys]

I don't think that Forge will save the game because most players aren't interested in custom content, but it will feed the hardcore Halo playerbase. If Forge allows to make PvE content, we can expect something similar to StarCraft II's Mass Recall, where mapmakers will band together to recreate every mission from every campaign within the new engine. But I think that F2P PvE modes à là Firefight will bring in more players than a Battle Royale, mainly because Halo's PvE is more interesting for people who are used to generic FPS PvP.

[@anonymous7564]

"I don't think that Forge will save the game because most players aren't interested in custom content, but it will feed the hardcore Halo playerbase" You have the correct viewpoint here. Faith in Humanity has been stored, we have someone who isn't brain dead in a KZbin comment. The guy above is full of stupidity if he really thinks the reason why people are playing valorant, fortnite, apex, counterstrike, warzone or whatever is for "custom content". This is a 2022 game, not a 1998 game.

[@anonymous7564]

@@EggEnjoyer "Halo 3 and reach were completely based around the custom content" I should note that Halo 3 after it died was based around custom content, and along with Reach, when both about 99% of it's playerbase had left. That 99% of the playerbase? Yeah, they don't care about custom content. They care about competitive matchmaking in particular. You list Gary's Mod, which is a literal mod for Counterstrike. The implication of this is that Counterstrike, the competitive FPS, is allowed to be "Counterstrike" whilst the "mod" allows the non-competitive folk to hang around in the lesser mini-game party side. The inherent problem is that Counterstrike isn't growing due to Gmod, but Gmod grows due to Counterstrike. By extension: Halo, being a flushed out competitive FPS once more (Like it was until midway through 2009) can inherently presure players to come back to the entry, and when tired "After a couple hour grind of ranked matchmaking playlists", they can jump into the leisurely unranked lobby where those mini games are at. Forge can be a symbiotic relationship to Halo, but the problem is: The Halo Community wants Halo to "only be this" and not allow the game to be a competitive FPs as it was originally in the past (2001 - ~2009). Although the Esport still exists (clearly, HCS), the inherent problem is that the esport wasn't the "only" competitive aspect of Halo that existed. There was numerous, and those were divided into skill based ranked playlists, which Halo 2 and 3 had primarily 3:1 over unranked. In the Infinite terms, just like Reach, now it's a 12:1 favor of "unranked" to ranked. Pressuring this notion that: "Gary's Mod is the real game, Counterstrike is just the side game". But you see, in reality; Counterstrike is the major contender where Gary's mod is simply a "mod" of the competitive FPS entry. See the point? As far as Minecraft and Roblox are concerned; You cannot have those experiences inherently in Halo. First, Minecraft is a survival world builder, roblox is just a world builder. You aren't provided a random generated seed. You're provided with a specified canvas that's static and you're required to "game dev" your way into building something. One is made as a total genre, the other is just a set of mod tools. Forge cannot "save" Halo; It wasn't designed to do that. Halo can only save Halo. And going back to "Why people played Halo 2 and 3" can do that. Not this "Let's copy Halo Reach and 4" nonsense, as if those games didn't lose 99%+ of their playerbase within a month, just like Halo Infinite lol.

[@josephcasper8803]

@@anonymous7564 wouldn't say 99% of people cared about customs but alot did And I wouldn't say competitive is what 99% ether a good mix of all of what makes halo ...halo( campaign firefight competitive customs ect ect)

[@josephcasper8803]

@@anonymous7564 also just learnt something new always thought gmod was halflife modded

[@anonymous7564]

@@josephcasper8803 "And I wouldn't say competitive is what 99% ether a good mix of all of what makes halo ...halo( campaign firefight competitive customs ect ect)" You seem to be under the impression that the same audience who "only cares about campaign and firefight" are the same audience who is strictly playing multiplayer Halo. It's important to also state that "Competitive" in terms of statement is depicting non-esports, strictly the notion that the player wants to win and the intrinsic value of winning must be weighted as a perceptional point rather than the idea that "winning isn't important" (Current Halo Infinite, and why no one played reach and 4 at it's time span). The notion of "customs being popular" is hilarious and also ill informed. You have content creators on KZbin that still say "Custom games are broken in halo infinite' who literally haven't played a custom game in Halo Infinite via their game files; Meanwhile esports players are in custom lobbies way more than matchmade lobbies. Which begs to question: If 343 were to pull the metric, I'm sure it would depict that "about 80%+ of custom matches in the span since Halo 2 came about were competitive variants, not related to party games". Which, again, I should note one more important aspect: Custom Games in Infinite were broken until February, where the "broken" attribute would swap teams per match played IF the Boolean for "locked teams" was enabled. This ONLY AFFECTED HCS as you could "unlock" teams (or allow team switching per match) and it would actually not cause any team switching issues...but the spawn system would arbitrarily spawn players in non-controlled regions (thus permitting that it compromises competitive integrity, thus HCS players did not do this). So to simplify that last part: Custom games have been fixed since February, yet the "Halo Community" still thinks they're broken. Consider how often they actually use custom games now, and remember really quickly about that assumed statistic above. Most non-obsessive "halo fan" players will likely only play matchmaking, never touch a custom game in their life, and are likely to never click "the community" tab, as it's more probable for them to be clicking a playlist rather than "searching endlessly for a custom game to play with a friend or two online when it takes 5 seconds to get a matchmade game".

[@MilesMetal]

One thing I believe determines the success of a SBMM implementation is the number of active players. Now, while I agree that Halo 3 seems to have had the best SBMM of any game I've played, I mainly played Halo 3 when it was popular - i.e. hundreds of thousands of players online during peak times. I'd like to hear people's experience of playing Halo 3 when the player count was closer to that of Halo Infinite. If Infinite had even 100,000 concurrent players I imagine it would be far more likely that you would see a fairer distribution of games with players of more equal skill. Perhaps the SBMM implementation of Halo Infinite is actually good (I believe they changed it with a very recent update) it's just that there aren't enough players to make it work as well as it could.

[@LaperLarden]

"A-yup lads. It's Fletch here."

[@saintdave4943]

Wow- 39:35 you guys nail the Halo Infinite experience! The matchmaking on this game does take me to dizzying highs and crushing lows. I have some games that have me at the top of the leaderboard, dominating games, then the next 3 have me with only a couple kills. Reminds me of the Halo 3 DLC days. I notice this at the end of the week more. If I play past the weekly challenge, my matches are harder. I don’t have any proof of this, but it’s what it feels like. Thanks for the content guys!

[@estarossa1847]

As a coder I'm pretty sure there's no difference in performance when comparing raw code to node graphs. You can directly translate either to eachother

[@MannequinOngaku]

I think the real issue with scripted workarounds is the lack of accessibility when compared to full-fledged gamemodes.

[@revan5293]

I honestly don’t think so. Desync ruins the game for everyone and it needs to be fixed. Customs are broken so it doesn’t matter A lot of 343 needs to be fired

[@empirednw6624]

Barely anyone even works there anymore, most employees have left that shithole.

[@Pokemonboy245]

Everyone in charge needs to be fired. Shit is wild. Bonnie Ross needs to go

[@jmcarsonjm]

THIS. At this point (at least for me) desync should be at the very top of their priorities. That is the biggest thing keeping me from playing.

[@empirednw6624]

@@jmcarsonjm yes, I just love being killed through cover and my grenades not exploding. Sooooo fun.

[@austrakaiser4793]

I bet the Forge community could do a better job than 343, you know what yeah 343 should hire some well known forgers to work on the game

[@tomfoolery5844]

Love this podcast glad to see it’s continuation

[@get_spanked240]

The whole sbmm convo in the last 3 years has been very confusing. One moment people complain about it being too strict, then the next post they’re complaining about being paired with bad people…..it’s like…….what do you want? Lol like ffs, that shit has be confusing to the gaming industry in terms of dev companies.

[@xCobraCommanderx]

The real problem is the majority of Halo fans don’t want a sweaty multiplayer. We wanted fun. And we don’t even have BTB really. So most the Halo player base for the last 20 years are gone. We don’t want to come back till Halo is a fun coop couch experience again. So what happens is the player base is so low that the remaining folks who are left who want that sweaty COD Battle Royal mode will be miserable. There just ain’t enough players currently to provide a robust multiplayer encounter experience. So dang low you could block folks and play with them the next match cause there just ain’t enough.

[@get_spanked240]

@@xCobraCommanderx agree so the solution isn’t a better sbmm, its having social playlists that are fun and casual. That and reforming these dam challenges swaps

[@8instantramen]

5:10 a indie game I used to play introduced a custom level editor (in the same level of Halo 5 Forge). You could create maps that could rival official maps. The interface was easy to learn so anyone could create maps. Unfortunately it didn't save the game post-update, no one cared about it and the people who saw potential in community maps weren't that many.

[@elcaudillo7323]

Love these long videos just listening to these while at work.

[@cooliipie]

If this came out at lunch, it's very likely this game could have been huge. But it's too late

[@loamisen9726]

Honestly at this point I couldn't care how good forge is when it has taken months to even get to this point when it should have been released with the game at launch. 343 missed their window of opportunity by releasing a bare bones husk of a great series again.

[@deriznohappehquite]

Master Chief Collection custom games are the most fun I’ve had playing a multiplayer game in years, and that’s because there is no matchmaking at all.

[@deerecoyote2040]

Actually, someone pushed the game to max budget and it ran fine. Falcon's PC just did a normal crash. The devs even commented on how happy it made them to see.

[@darthsonic4135]

25:50 ... What the FUCK is a Vihar Collapse? Like, don't get me wrong, I know what it is from the perspective of a writer; it's basically like the scene where Luke is in awe over the fact that Old Ben fought in the "Clone Wars" alongside his father. While the Clone Wars nowadays in the single most thoroughly documented and fleshed out historical event in the Star Wars canon (both of them), back then is was some random event that means nothing to the audience but something to the characters and served to make this universe feel BIGGER then the story we're watching. That the characters have lives and knowledge beyond the tale being told, even though in actuality they don't by virtue of being fictional constructs. But it worked there because everything the happened before the film was a complete blank slate at the time, whereas the last 60 or so years of UNSC history has been quite THOROUGHLY documented by this point. Such hearing something like the "Vihar Collapse" doesn't make you go "Oh wow, this universe is BIG!", but rather makes you pull out a timeline and ask where of said graph (that doesn't have a lot of space on it as it is) the event happened.

[@itsregular8875]

perfect to listen too while playing mcc, great stuff guys

[@Double303]

If they fix the strafe speed and add more weapons to the sandbox, I believe so. Seriously that strafe speed in Infinite has no traction, it's frustrating as hell since I noticed it.

[@johndodo2062]

Well this question answered itself a few days ago

[@Will_Forge]

10:50 Dude, that's what XBox Games Pass does right now. You can remote play Halo on the Games Pass servers right this second. Maybe you were joking, but yeah this is already a thing.

[@Salty-Unggoy]

Gimme a goddamn Phantom and Pelican already. The are fully fledged vehicles in game and there is no reason to keep them from us.

[@ananon5771]

the forge looks about as powerful as most modding tools short of source-code access and full SDKs (so basically short of the best mods tools there are on PC), and having that on a game that's also on console, it will be just insane. id say TCs are not out of the question, though it may be clunky and take time to implement. if anything saved halo infinite, id be the forge though i still waiting on them to fix the performance and issues (though i really glad it now works on linux, even the multiplayer).

[@basedsneedclave175]

With the upcoming halo br apparently it will be forgeable and custom gamesable so you could just make it not a battle Royale and just have it be 32vs32 match with all the features it’s supposed to have would be absolutely amazing

[@masterchiefonlyfansfreetie2409]

Giga-ultra-entities having a normal conversation

[@LaperLarden]

This wins comment of the year.

[@masterchiefonlyfansfreetie2409]

@@LaperLarden thx >:} hope your pillow is cool on both sides And have a wonderful day

[@mateorios1636]

Halo fanbase: omg our game so badddd 343 bad bungie gooddddd Cod and Bf fanbase: be thankfull you ingrates

[@finnish_hunter]

XD

[@deriznohappehquite]

I think skill based matchmaking used to just put you with some people who were vaguely near your skill level, whereas now it’s basically constantly trying to enforce a 50% win rate for every single player.

[@LeMicronaut]

That, but I'm fairly certain Halo 2 and maybe even Halo 3 had Bungie devs legitimately try to break the TrueSkill system cause they didn't believe in every match being a close one. Having a bit of variety in the pressure allows longer sessions cause you aren't constantly being stressed and exhausted.

[@ryanschulte3742]

The thing that I hate the most is the streamers were right about it needing a battle Royale to survive

[@minmaxVD]

Opposite actually. They had great launch but dumped it into the trash and putting all their chips into the battle royale "tatanka" gamble.

[@ZombiedWolf]

@@minmaxVD Counter point. If the game was going to launch empty anyway, a BR probably would have kept more peoples attention.

[@revan5293]

@@ZombiedWolf I don’t even like brs but yeah.

[@minmaxVD]

@@ZombiedWolf Dude. It's been 7 months of stalling development of everything else and the mode still hasn't come out yet, what make you think battle royale at launch was an option for them at all lol.

[@ZombiedWolf]

@@minmaxVD They should not have launched the game at all until it was ready. I am just stating a hypothetical. Of course we all know 343i cant do it.

[@xCobraCommanderx]

I believe you are correct Halo Infinite Multiplayer already uses Microsoft Cloud with or without Gamepass subscription. I guarantee you’ll need to be Online in console to operate the Forge feature set. Cloud will be used is my guess.

[@ryandubs7826]

Just throwing my own opinion into the mix. I don't think it will "save" Halo as an IP. Forge shouldn't make or break a Halo game. However, if Halo Infinite's Forge ends up making custom games a modern version of GMOD, then much like GMOD, it will maintain a loyal and dedicated playerbase.

[@MAXPAYNE485]

Live fire has a gated off area that ive been eyeballing ever since release

[@paulmaloney4387]

If 343 regularly rotates Community-made content into Public Playlists (maps, modes, edited maps to coincide with Events, etc) then Infinite can win back the Halo faithful. I think in order to win back the “20 Million Players”, Infinite will need a big Re-Launch that coincides with the Battle Royale (hopefully dropping Holiday ‘23)

[@4realm8rusirius]

Not by itself infection,firefight and custom browser need to be there

[@dumbfuck_gabs]

Quick answer to the title before watching the video: No, Forge will not save Infinite. At least it'll bring some of the playerbase, but Halo Infinite will never be what it was at launch. 343 missed the opportunity of bringing back Halo (again). The game will probably be finished in a couple years, but idk if it's possible to save this shit rn.

[@lolilikedragons3528]

From what actman has said...halo infinite's utter flacid flop of a launch can be thankes due to management issues. Devs are used as revolving door contractors before they are kicked out and just in general the way 343 is managed by microsoft reeks of a cutting costs in all the wrong places.

[@venken6454]

4:42 overwatch has implemented this feature years ago

[@starplatinum2743]

Funny that the bedtime things out of halo recently are still from bungie

[@Bojangleslover98]

Seeing this now it kinda has

[@austrakaiser4793]

I'm still dreaming about New Mombasa being added to Forge as a sandbox that'd be sick for BTB

[@ducko1988]

Get the fosters out the fridge lads 🍺

[@ShreddedNerd]

For me it's VB

[@ducko1988]

@@ShreddedNerd my man

[@basedsneedclave175]

That’s the thing halo multiplayer narrative events just fundamentally don’t work without pve At what point are Spartans going to kill eachother in this universe And yeah mp in the lore is virtual reality war games but that still comes with the problem with how the fuck does that contribute to a halo story, not everything can be oh no Spartan there is an issue ok play your training vr to fix it.

[@KanyeNorth860]

The implementation of sbmm they used in mcc and the lack of many of many social features that the originals had are the main reason why I much prefer to play halo 3 sunrise even if it laggier and jankier than mcc

[@BBWatson100]

its back

[@empirednw6624]

No, forge won’t even be here for another year, and campaign content is 3-4 years away. This game is even dead on Xbox, that’s how you know it’s completely doomed.

[@xXsillysussyXx]

Forge is coming in September and the game is 20th most played game on Xbox. ain’t dead.

[@kage1784]

@@xXsillysussyXx the forge beta* not forge entirely. Which most likely won’t even work on launch in a year. And 20th place? That is dog shit for a free2play halo.

[@austinfowler2707]

Sure, forge being good is good for Halo. But why should I keep Infinite downloaded on my system? Why should i keep coming back? With Halos population going down, it'll be harder to find custom games to play. Now this can be mitigated by a matchmade customs browser like in H5. But let's examine H5 foe a second. Despite it lacking as a halo product, still have a tendency to log back in. Why? Because the base multiplayer; firefight, warzome and arena gave me credits and experience. I was progressing through the game. Now it's H5 so take that for what you will. Halo Infinite doesn't have a base progression/unlock system outside its events or seasons. The fact I can't unlock set of armor gradually and instead must grind the game out this week or lose out on cosmetics, means there's nothing BASIC to latch onto. In HR, I could opt out of Halo waypoint or dlc armor and still have something to strive for. A rank. A new helmet. A new Firefight voice. If there's nothing to respect my time at my own pace, I'm less likely to get attached to it. It's why I stopped Destiny 2. I missed out on so many seasons that the world around me and the assumption I played those seasons became too noticeable. Lots of weapons, gear, and experiences gone because I wasn't there for that week or month. So I gave up. It's no longer my guardian. It's just compounded by loads of issues. And I refuse to let pomo pressure me into deciding what I should play.

[@Zero_XTZ5]

Yes, if you take your extremely negative lens off.

[@alexander5629]

any and every game is salvageable, especially a game like BF2042 that game fell hard af but imo its very much still salvageable wanna know the best example, its MCC that game was so shit at launch it stayed like that for what 3 years maybe less but it ended up popping off and being great same can be said for h5 yea it got better way quicker and arguably had the best and funnest content drops in any halo, at the end of the day its all about patiences both parties need to be patient hell look at apex legends it still has problems ppl have been talking about since s1 hell it barely got a level cap increase after its last one in what season 7 but back to topic infinite is completely salvageable and during its time of needing to get back on its feet it will lose players but just cuz that happens, that doesn't mean its unsalvageable and dead yk maybe I'll get hanged or crucified for saying this but its true

[@justcast1429]

Idk if it would save Infinite but it’ll definitely give us diehards something to chew on

[@CoffeeCrowgasm]

It'll save it because the community will be able to do the work 343 can't or won't.

[@finnish_hunter]

HALO 2 WAS MADE BY BUNGIE IN A CAVE, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!

[@KRawatXP2003]

the gang

[@mythicpeyote]

Idk how good they make this game. The way it was rolled out and the predatory business tactics they use are unforgivable and we shouldn’t lay down and take this.

[@robbiejelsomeno5679]

No it won’t. If your definition of “saving” is roping the broader audience back into the game.

[@normal-use7628]

I don't disagree that Halo Infinite is salvageable, but the real question is does Halo Infinite and 343 deserve success with this game. The gameplay when it works is good, but everything is absolutely terrible, and 343's predatory and incompetence work and microtransactions makes me think the future of Halo can be hindered with this release and just be a lesser more expensive version of Bungie's games.

[@robbiejelsomeno5679]

I’d respectfully disagree with a good chunk of this. 1. You’ve sort of downplayed the games strengths, the gameplay is really fucking great when it’s working. You forgot to mention the unreal art direction, music and audio when they all work as intended. 2. The management at 343 needs to be chucked out an airlock, but the contract and permanent devs deserve all the success coming to them. They worked hard and made the game they could with the recourses given. The game itself has a lot to love, and you’re totally right that it’s salvageable. It just needs to be managed by people with an actual vision for what the game is going to be.

[@normal-use7628]

@@robbiejelsomeno5679 1. I agree the gameplay can be great the best in the franchise, but it breaks too often and can be broken for an extended amount of time. Remember weapon jamming, that was broken in Halo Infinite for like 2-3 weeks straight or longer. Then you have desync, and I don't think I even need to explain how that's an issue. Then it's not even just that, Halo Infinite's gameplay is hindered by a new glitch and problem that is found almost every month, like the invisibility pillar glitch on recharge, I'd give gameplay a point but its. Broken way too often and easily. 2. I agree, the management at 343 is just gone beyond belief, which is why I said 343 doesn't deserve success, if they get success with this mid game, then that's just gonna inspire them and give them the incentive to do an even worse job with Jalo Infinite and the future Halo games. I'm glad we can agree the game can be salvageable, but if the game succeeds with lackluster, incompetence, predatory greed at the controls the future of Halo isn't looking bright, its bright economically, but spiritually and creatively it's dark as hell. Halo Infinite has many positives but the negatives greatly out number them. The negatives out number the positives 10 to 1 and it's not a fair fight, and seeing how 343 is handling Halo Infinite now, and how they're continously doing the same wrong actions that they've done in the past this is all a cycle.

[@robbiejelsomeno5679]

@@normal-use7628 You’re right on the nose my man. I should’ve distinguished more that the game is awesome when it’s working, which isn’t very often. These drop pod updates have been pretty cool for the most part, but they need to be packed with more features and fixes. Like cross core should’ve been implemented in it’s entirety, I don’t care what excuse is conjured up by any content creator. It’s in the game already, give it to players. I am very happy that the rocket launcher is behaving better with this recent one. I do hope that the devs at 343 start getting treated better by the higher ups at the studio and MS. They’ve created a foundation that needs a whole lot of work, but one that I want to see built upon. Cheers dude.

[@Japhox45]

Halo does. 343 doesn't.

[@tropitropitropo]

Halo deserves to be salvaged but only if 343 never touches the franchise ever again. That makes me sound like a hater but it's the truth. 343 have only been delivering broken game after broken game. First Halo MCC, then Halo 5, and now Halo Infinite. I know, and we all know, that if Halo Infinite does succeed in the future, when the next Halo game comes, it will be just as (if not more) broken as Halo Infinite. And it'll keep going like that until the community realizes that or the franchise just dies.

[@JJJBunney001]

Everyone hating on the entire team at 343 needs to get some perspective or look at how literally any company works. Most of the deva who built the game are smart, passionate people who were fucked over by management constantly changing goalposts and time frames. At the same time, We'll see how it goes going forward but there's not a lot to look forward to without them showing us anything of substance

[@Bloodfangmh]

Forge will make custom games amazing but it dosnt fix the poor progression system or dysinc it does make content i will give it that its like swapping the iv on someone its still dying all its doing is giving it more time

[@_Phen_]

Yeah, I think many fans overlook how actually bad the progression is if it even exists.

[@DT25659]

Next Halo forge will just be a mod tool

[@tropicalhorizongaming5459]

As much as I’d like to think forge could save it, I doubt it will at least not for long. Forge is just one thing in a game full of so many issues, down to the very coding. People dislike the game not only because it’s lack of content but because the game itself is so… odd. Lack of customization, bad ui organization, removal of priority aim codes, reticles that are literally off target and don’t show where your hitting even when red, colors being limited to coating, armors being limited to a linear battlepass or shop purchase, lack of custom game settings, players being consistently highlighted like they think we can’t see the enemy, etc No maps, no modes, drip fed content, for a game that supposedly took 6 years infinite has very little to prove it.

[@Bronxbug]

In halo infinite every match is a ranked match and it makes me not want to play the game.

[@Thunderstar7]

In all honesty, Forge is looking to be a personal disappointment. I’ve always loved Forge but in Halo 5 it was way too hard for me to grasp or even be remotely average at. I’ve been watching as much footage as I could about it and it looks like it’s gonna be the same issue for me. My ADHD makes it really difficult to just sit down and learn something especially when I’ve got a job and college classes. The old Forge modes were more fun for me because I could actually make something and be satisfied with it. All of the stuff I did in 5 felt kinda hollow because it was mostly just messing with prefabs.

[@InkyGhoul]

I usually try to contain all my feelings and not burst any blood vessels over 343i's bad decision and incompetence/poor management of the Halo series, let alone the fact that Infinite, despite being even closer to what I want than Reach was (And I play Reach quite often) I always came to the conclusion that "oh well, I still have the old games, and 343i's been respectful of those" They have their thumbs in the pie, don't get me wrong. But as far as Halo CE and Halo 3 go, you have the option to turn the weapon skins, new viewmodels and armour off. I wish we could have them all seperately toggleable, I kind of like the gun skins but none of the other aspects. But then you get to Halo: Reach. Jesus Christ, there's only a couple new helmets that they added but they're all ugly as sin and completely break the art style. Adding the cut DLC helmets like GRD was really cool of them and I'm glad they did it, but I'm just glad barely anyone ever uses the other helmets which are fantasy themed. They're some of the same helmets featured in the new Halo 3 armours for god's sake. And you don't have the option to turn them off. Why? Does 343i think that they fit Reach's art style more? Or did they literally just forget to give us the option for Reach? Furthermore, why do this without giving Reach some gun skins? Further furthermore, PLEASE let me pick a playlist for Halo 3 without those godforsaken Halo Online maps.They're inexplicably laggy and they look and play like giant Halo 4 maps.

[@saibot1246]

Personaly i don't hate 343 devs i hate the shit management at 343 i want a restructure of the management at 343 and that Microsoft give them more time so the game is not on an early acess state

[@Somedude317]

I don't believe it can. What does forge mean to a person that is not playing for the customs? Yes customs are fun and fans have their best moments playing customs but how are you going to bring in people who are not in it for that? There are issues with the core gameplay right now; such as progression, desync, and only real thing getting updates (not bug fixes) seems to be the store. My last Halo game I played was Reach prior to Infinite. I grew up playing the trilogy and reach with my brother and was some of the best fun I had in gaming. I look at Infinite and honestly it bores me. Its fun for a couple games but then I go play something else. I don't even have it downloaded right now. What does infinite have right now that I can't get from something else? The die-hard fans are going to stay on no matter what but why should others invest their time in Halo right now?

[@budaroddy]

Of course it can, they will? Of course not Halo died with Reach

[@arcblooper2699]

It’s simply too late. I love forge, it’s what keeps me playing long past release, but at this point? I just don’t care anymore. It could be the most impressive forge ever but the community is already dead.

[@StephenYuan]

I understand ShreddedNerd's concerns about player population but this is a little different than Kingdom Come Deliverance. We have game pass to keep people coming back and I expect that Battle Royale and Campaign Dlc are going to be opportunities to do a relaunch. Will the numbers be comparable to what they would have had if the features had been there at launch? Doubtful. But the game isn't dead.

[@literallyvergil1686]

God I hope there's no br mode, that genre is so fucking oversaturated

[@empirednw6624]

A br mode would totally kill arena :(

[@StephenYuan]

My understanding is that BR is more or less a lock. Certain Affinity has been working on it for some time and it should come out sometime in 23. Personally, I wouldn't mind a BR but it needs a special Halo twist. It shouldn't just be another BR. The sandbox can shine if the map is well designed.

[@Justsaiyan6666]

Halo is at an unreal low. No forge won’t save this game. This franchise needs to reebot and clean house at 343. If halo infinite has that great gameplay ppl would stick but once you play it it’s practically gonna play out the same every time, no new abilities or weapons is a joke. Don’t say you have a live service and only update the shop. Greedy trash company.

[@finnish_hunter]

Halo Infinite was that reboot and quoting the great Angry Joe, THEY DONE FUCKED IT UP!

[@finnish_hunter]

No it will not, 343 has had over 10 years of nothing but chances we've given them, they don't deserve anything from us anymore.

[@SilverViper1000]

Halo infinite has cross play... The limits on PC must be the limits of xbox one. There is no other way they can release it

[@jmcarsonjm]

JUST FIX THE FUCKING DESYNC

[@ReclaimerX22]

Halo 5's forge controls were actually way better than the classic controls if you took the time to get used to them. For example, RB was used to select/deselect objects because with the multi-select feature, you needed to be able to turn the camera (right stick) and select objects at the same time. You wouldn't be able to do that if select/deselect remained bound to A

[@TopMostFlavor]

It wont even work bro. If it comes out at all lol

[@optimus27000]

Halo Infinite really could've used DLSS. For the visuals it has. It has no right to be as demanding as it is on pc. Red Dead 2 rans better than infinite even before the dlss patch.

[@finnish_hunter]

Yeah the Slipspace engine was made because the Halo engine was busted as hell and they just made it worse.

[@ferklk]

If cyberpunk Thaught us anything is that when forge comes out. they need to release a great anime with it. That surely will save halo.

[@finnish_hunter]

Too bad Cyberpunk is still barebones and boring as fuck.

[@fenfrostpaws2000]

Most players don't care about forge so no

[@thethermalhero9554]

no

[@tommy_darc]

I'm from the future. Joe is gone, season 3 might be the last season ever and 343 lost around 100 employees. The answer: No

[@wadedewell]

I don't want wall running...

[@xXsillysussyXx]

?????

[@justintheegrey]

Nope

[@spaceduck2130]

Even if Forge turns out the best in the series and a complete masterpiece it still won't save this joke of a game because 343clowns never cared about maintaining a community, file sharing, fixing shit and completing a game. #fire343

[@ethanhegel8576]

Halo Infinite is awful. Nothing can save it.

[@saibot1246]

Forge and the talented fans can maybe save the game Maybe 343 should just do campaigns and let another studio taking care of multiplayer Also in marathon video you know that marathon infinity introduce forge so i think that's why they give it the name. Ps I feel now because of modern gaming the AAA games now become most of the time early acess.

[@wadedewell]

I don't want 343 to do the campaign or the multiplayer. They need to be removed from the franchise

[@saibot1246]

@@wadedewell So who you think can do Halo ? Sorry to tell you but you give halo to another studio it will a catastrophy all over again because the new studio who will replace might not know halo well and like 343 at the beginning and if you watch the launch of infinite they learned form their mistakes from 4 and 5 for the campaign and the multiplayer but they don't know how to sustain a liveservice game after infinite i think they will learn from theirs mistake for the next halo i would have agree if it was halo at halo 4 or 5 but now it's to late

[@tropitropitropo]

Ok so what you're saying is that the community should do unpayed work to fix 343's many many mistakes? That's like having someone break my leg and then making me fix myself up. And about your 2nd comment responding the other guy. If Halo would be fucked no matter who is in charge of the franchise, then I think most of us would agree on just letting the franchise rest. They've been mopping the floor with Halo and I'd rather seeing it die than having it become even worse. Side note here. Microsoft has many more studios now which are waaaay more adept in making games, so if they gave Halo to one of those development teams like ID Software or Obsidian Entertainment then I'm 100% sure they'd do a much more better job than 343.

[@saibot1246]

@@tropitropitropo To answer your 1st point yes and no because yeah it's ridiculous that the community have to fix 343 lack of content with forge in the point in which i don't agree it's the unpaid part because the ones who use the mod tools do it for free and don't want to be paid did you see the amount you f mods on Gmod that people make just for the community so they can have fun. For my second point any studio for me would have f up because they aren't Bungie and I'm criticizing the guy because now that 343 is heading in the good direction with the mistakes of halo4 and 5 (to explain Halo 4 was to much casual 5 to much competitive with infinite they found the middle ground) he want to remove 343 so everything start all over again. With your side note i agree there is more competent studios out there who Microsoft have and i agree they should have help from one of them to add content for multiplayer but i don't see obsidian do it because they do a lot of rpg some fps yes but with a lot of rpg. Id software can be a good idea they revived Doom but i think they are more bussy doing Quake and Halo is a bit the opposite of what Id software want to do.

[@abbery9202]

Games already dead

[@basedsneedclave175]

The thing is will this custom content in this live service fps keep people playing Because you probably aren’t going to get any sort of progression or rewards for playing it which is how live service games usually keep people engaged along with new stuff to do. Also the all the networking issues that still plague the game will still continue plague custom content as well so that’s going to fuck up that experience.

[@bonjolor8298]

TF2 still has popular custom games servers. But it's arguable if that game is still 'live' service anymore lol.