WILL IT START? Oliver 1650 hasn't run in 3 years

[@jasonreynolds7753]

I can't believe how well the tractor started! Go Oliver! Nice work Chris!

[@millardhayes1884]

Chris you are "That Oliver Guy" everybody needs. Your knowledge is amazing about Oliver's.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks!

[@bradleyclark1566]

Nice looking tractor! Grew up with a 1600 on the farm, with the same bucket frame seen here. Our 1600 was the main workhorse for many years - baler tractor, tractor on the blower, planting corn, spraying corn. It was a great tractor!

[@macfarms]

Looks like changing the timing made a world of difference! She’s a nice looking tractor.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I should have put it in the dyno before and after to see the difference. The soot in the muffler is kinda tarlike from the lousy timing. Hopefully we'll have time to throw it on a plow and clean it out good before he has to take it home.

[@macfarms]

That Oliver Guy - Chris Losey yeah that would have been cool to see too.

[@fastsetinthewest]

You showed that tractor in the past. Nice looking tractor. Thanks for the videos. The last Oliver equipment we bought was from Bannister. Remember Bruce Hofferbert? Look him up on Find -A- Grave buried in Gratiot County at Ford Cemetery. Eaglegards...

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Bruce was a a bit of a legend amongst dealers in Southern Michigan. One of the stories I heard was he got a speeding ticket with a 12 row corn planter.

[@canvids1]

experience and knowledge always pays off. Good job bringing the old girl back to running great. One less job to do.

[@burningdinosaurs]

VICTORY! Honestly can't believe it made that much of a difference. The way it was missing, I would never have guessed timing would have cleaned it up. Thanks for another great video!

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks! Alan mentioned how the manifold would glow after dark, just idling in the driveway, that was the clue I needed. Prior to that I was figuring an overhaul. Do you know how much the 1/2 scale 1900 sold for at that auction?

[@burningdinosaurs]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris $19,250. Went to Illinois.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Wow! It was cool, but I could have the full sized version for less.

[@burningdinosaurs]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris I hear that. The guy has a 14,000sqft building full of stuff like that 1900, running models, pedal tractors, pedal trucks, etc... Very interesting collection to say the least! It was a pretty neat little tractor tho!

[@ces188charles6]

Awesome.... Always check the simple things first.

[@mischef18]

Wow what a difference once timing was put right. It is good you have all that knowledge bro. Y'all stay safe

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks!

[@billsmith8739]

Great looking 1650!!

[@Murphyslawfarm]

G'day great video Chris. Can't leave a new tractor with computer's in it for 3 years and start it. 🤘 Old iron 🤘

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

You know it! Thanks, Murphy!

[@ohiofarming7001]

Hi Chris I was looking through TractorHouse the other day and I seen an auction that had a whole bunch of Oliver American tractors in it. He had all the colors of the American Series in 60 and 80. The place is called chalkers auction and Equipment in Southington Ohio. And they all looking very nice shape we went and looked at him cuz we live by the place and they look really good. Thought I would tell you thanks for the great videos

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

They look nice. It will be interesting to see what they bring. Thanks for the tip!

[@ohiofarming7001]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris I kind of said that wrong they look nice cause medically some of them did need paint but around they look pretty decent you're welcome thank you for the great videos

[@GosselinFarmsEdGosselin]

And another informative Oliver video from the master of Oliver's!! Thank you Chris!!! Great video

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks, Ed!

[@gmanchurch]

Love the video of that ol diesel comin back to life! I used to work as a diesel injection technician back in the late seventies and early eighties and was factory trained on all brands of pumps and injectors. Several of the factory reps told me that automatic transmission fluid was the best additive for keeping pumps and injectors clean. I owned a 92 GMC with a 6.2l diesel and added cheap ATF once a month to my fuel tank and put over 400 thousand miles on it without any fuel system issues! Just a little tip I though y’all might wanna try.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

You're not the first to tell me that. A guy I know put some in every tank full on his duramax and never had to touch it in over 400,000 miles.

[@petepeeff5807]

A couple more degrees wouldn't hurt and may clean up the smoke even more. I once worked on an 801 ford diesel that the timing Mark's were missing on the flywheel (I think it was Probably clocked wrong) pulled the valve cover , located tdc, lined up the pump marks started it and timed it buy smoke and ear. It started and ran great customer was happy. After that if I timed one buy the book and wasn't satisfied I wasn't afraid to tweak it till i was.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I did something similar on an Oliver 1850 diesel that had the perkins high end flutter. I got it running good on the high end, but then it started terrible. There's trade offs.

[@petepeeff5807]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris How did you finaly get the high end fluttering out. My 1850 does that. Two different pumps same thing.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I had to replace the bronze gear under the injection pump, the bearing on that gear, and the bronze thrust washers on the front of the horizontal drive shaft. Each one had a little wear that was adding up to a lot of backlash. I think it was mostly the thrust washers, but didn't want to tear it apart twice, so I replaced all 3. Runs great now.

[@petepeeff5807]

Thanks , I thought that was probably it. I just replaced the bushing when I overhauled her ten years ago. I figured the Oliver expert would know.👍👍😁

[@marcussamson7640]

Diesels are way easier for long term storage. The only tractor i have that sits for long times is my grandfather's 66 and it starts great it dosen't make sense but never gives me trouble. My uncle's 560 is horrible sits a month and you better bring the point file.

[@gregdavis8152]

Great informative video. I wish I would’ve had that particular sticker when I timed my 1650. I had to do guess work it cranks very well but I got lucky.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I put a turbo on my cousins 2-85 and advanced the timing by a couple degrees because of it. I had to use math to figure out how far the flywheel would move at the pointer to figure out 2 degrees. It was terrible!

[@Adam_Poirier]

Pretty sharp Chris! I never knew about those stickers lol woulda saved some Time a few times

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

They should work on any flywheel with roughly the same diameter. 360 degrees is the same no matter what color the paint is.

[@Adam_Poirier]

That Oliver Guy - Chris Losey That’s a very good point! A friend of mine has I believe a 1650 and he says it fires up and runs awesome for the first 20 seconds and then immediately starts skipping and missing very similar to the one in your video here. I had questioned the timing but then I ruled it out because it runs so good for the first few seconds but maybe I’m wrong

[@John-lu3yq]

Sounds good its alive ! Looks like a nice tractor !

[@chrisnzella]

Your videos are great to watch and learn. Thanks.

[@fredf3391]

I am not questioning your mechanical skills or as a technician . I would have clean up flywheel so I could see marks and line them up Then remove cover on pump and line them up ,yes do all the rechecking like you did Also if I remember right if you wire the throttle wide open you can remove the injection pump and replace them mushroom seals on that shaft without the in mechanism falling apart. Way back in the 90s we did not on Ruta master pumps on JDs thanks for good video

[@fredf3391]

You aways have good videos You tell about the bad , ugly ,good in Oliver &White equipment and yes them other brands .Keep them come ,keep the .quality

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks!

[@everettblonde7650]

Great video Chris. I really enjoyed it.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks, Everett! I've been enjoying the Facebook pictures from your farm. Montana sure is beautiful!

[@oliverfarmer-dx2qs]

That tractor started so easy i with our Olivers diesels started that easy in the winter

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

It should start even better with the correct timing.

[@oliverfarmer-dx2qs]

That Oliver Guy - Chris Losey ya our Olivers are just getting wore out they all need overhauled except our super 55 it runs great

[@ollie-lk5dx]

Good content fixing timing lot easier and cheaper than pulling injectors.

[@bobthecow9958]

Great job, I need to do the same thing to our 1800 Fwa

[@Railfan6675]

Love those Waukesha engines!

[@johnkissack5295]

Great job!’

[@brianchilders6535]

Looks like it has fenders from a large frame tractor

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Good eye, I think you're the first to mention it.

[@cosmokramer9993]

Great video as always! Very timely (pun intended) too. I just bought a 1966 4-78-15 which was running great after changing out the fuel filters but now doesn't run at all. I have fuel to the injector pump but nothing coming out of it. I will pull it off and take it to a rebuild place but have been hesitant to do so because I had no idea how to time it when reinstalling. Thanks for all you do!

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Glad I could help!

[@ghenry85]

Our David Brown smokes more then what we remember, so it's getting injector service this winter. The loader sits low on that tractor, was that "the" Oliver loader for that 1650? The nice thing about the newer loaders, they are built to park, no forklift required😀. Unless you scew up of course(been there).

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

That loader was originally on their 77, but it could go on a 1650. It does sit low so the frame can go back and bolt on the bottom of the rear axles.

[@alanmcclorey8047]

loved that video

[@ZekenStreak]

That was very interesting & a great tutorial for any 1650 Diesel owners out there. I really enjoyed this vid being a amateur mechanic myself. 3 years sitting, that far off in its timing and she still started right up. Great vid Chris thanks for posting it. Take care & stay safe. PS will we get vids of the clutch overhaul as well? Cheers PSS I just realized if you’d recorded another 25 seconds the vid would have been 16:50 in length. Lol

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Dang, I could have added some clips back in to get the length. Yes, we'll be filming the clutch repair. There's going to be a few videos out of this one. Pto driveshaft removal, and we're planning on replacing the saginaw steering with char-lyn steering.

[@ZekenStreak]

Looking fwd to seeing them. Cheers

[@scruffy6151]

That will save some money on repairs.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Definitely! And time that I probably didn't have.

[@aaronbenkert1141]

Great video !

[@daneblackburn613]

Stanydine fuel additive it only thing that really works for resurrecting a fuel system

[@kalski86]

Did Schwartz make the Oliver Loaders? Sure looks like the Schwartz we had on the farm

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Yes.

[@CoalChrome]

Losey's Home & Ressurection Center for Wayward Olivers (and others)

[@steverobertson3462]

I'm sorta new to your channel so was wondering what your background with Oliver is. I grew up in Iowa and dad always farmed with Olivers. 77, Super88, and 1600. Sure enjoyed the video!

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

My family became an Oliver dealer around 1937. I'm the 4th generation that worked at that dealership, which we closed in 1998. I still farm our ground with Oliver and White farm equipment, and for about 7 years my wife and I were the editors of the Hart-Parr Oliver Collector magazine. My wife, daughter and myself now live in the former dealership building, so I guess you could say it's in my blood.

[@juststuffwithwolfe4482]

The other day I stormy dads fordson major it’s not in great condition but is something ain’t broken ya use it

[@timpalmer7614]

Hi Chris. I am not an Oliver guy but always liked driving the neighbor's growing up. I have not seen a model that had the swept back axle. Is it a special model?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

That front axle was an option for most of the 50 and 55 series Olivers. They called it the short wheelbase adjustable wide front. It didn't end up being a common option when it was all said and done.

[@paulcasefarms9933]

Glad to see you working on a 1650 diesel. I just bought a 1650 diesel row crop with 46xx hours. it runs ok. I can not quite get the remote hydraulics to work like they should. Do they work as 1 valve for the top and the other on the bottom 2 plug ins? or is it 1 valve on each side?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

1 valve on each side. So the hoses that come from the left side of the hydraulic unit are for the same remote and run by the left lever.

[@paulcasefarms9933]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris Thanks.

[@drewnelson6463]

It's a wonder it was even running that far past tdc . Hopefully it didn't run like that for long could have washed a cylinder or burned a piston or valve

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I'm amazed too. There doesn't seem to be much blowby, so we're going to run it and see how it does.

[@drewnelson6463]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris that's good. They don't make them like they did back then. If it was a newer machine it would be ruined for sure. U could fix about anything on the old farmalls and Oliver's with a crescent wrench and a standard screwdriver. Unlike today's garbage

[@trentw3614]

Dr Oliver

[@aaronkaraszewski2749]

Hey Chris, another great video! Good info on setting and adjusting timming. Would that be the same procedure for a diesel with a Bosch pump such as a 88 or 880?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

The procedure is the same, but the pump has a different window for the timing marks, and the timing is different for the Bosch.

[@aaronkaraszewski2749]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris ok I would like to check my 880 it starts hard Espically when cold but my S88 starts really nice all the time at any temp. I don't have a service manual for either if those I'll have to get one. Thanks

[@kimfrain1916]

Put some ATF in the fuel

[@sleep1704-p5x]

get some tripods and learn how to aim and get item in view and focus along with light.

[@Kronkus36]

You know anyone selling a 1610 loader ?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Not right off. Maybe someone will see this and have one for sale.

[@haymaker-xb7nu]

Would an indirect injection 1650 (Lanova style) be timed 4° btdc also?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I think it's different. I'll check the book.

[@haymaker-xb7nu]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris Thanks

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Book says 7 degrees BTDC.

[@haymaker-xb7nu]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris ok, thanks. The timing is something I'd like to verify because I've only had this tractor since April. Really enjoy your videos keep them coming.

[@trevorgore2303]

It will start on 20 year old fuel

[@mikehynes6632]

Great knowledge but your videography leaves much to be desired.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I had some settings wrong on the gopro that made for poor video. Operator error on my part, but I can't redo it either.

[@mikehynes6632]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris it's all good Chris, appreciate all your knowledge.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks. I know it wasn't my best work. I now check the settings closer before I hit record.

[@joshbutterfass5251]

You need a better camera for doing videos very poor quality video

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Gopro Hero 7, but I had some of the settings still set for a previous video and forgot to change settings for this one. So operator error is the main problem here. I wasn't going to re-enact it, so I worked with what I had.

[@canvids1]

Josh!! Chris is taking donations if you care to donate.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Wayne, your response is WAY better! My campaign promise: If I misappropriate money from the camera fund, I will only spend it on cool Oliver stuff!

[@nellsonstout7001]

Speak for yourself. Looks good to me. Maybe you don’t know how to set the video quality

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

@@nellsonstout7001 , it definitely was not my best. I had it left on 240 frames per second from another video, instead of my normal 24. Must have missed that 0 when I looked at the screen. The high frame rate takes a lot more light, and also disables image stabilization. So you get the contrasty, jerky video footage I had. I'll definitely pay closer attention in the future.

[@mischef18]

Wow what a difference once timing was put right. It is good you have all that knowledge bro. Y'all stay safe