Will Kislev return to the Old World?! | How to paint Kislev

[@Soyanide]

They teased Cathay and Kislev when they first announced they were working on the old world. There was even an article posted on Warhammer Community talking about a new unit Kislev unit they were making.

[@Trazynn]

Yeah that article was huge, that's not 'teasing', that's a promise.

[@brionl4741]

@@Trazynn you need to learn the difference between a promise, and an intention. Plans change, that doesn't mean they lied.

[@Amphetabeans]

This is an unreal paintjob. Well done! Really stoked to see your channel growing, dude.

[@huwtindall7096]

I reckon they realised the production capacity required to design and deliver two brand new full armies for an uproven game system was too high risk so they canned them. It's one of the reasons most of the Old World stuff are older sculpts with some remasters and occassional new model. As you say though Deets - if Old World is successful I reckon they'll release them. THey've done the design work no doubt and probably some concept minis.

[@Mikester88]

Totally agree, though if there is anything i'm not sure about is grand cathay. That has to be waaaaay down the line, or if they want to pivot to the chinese market a bit harder. At least kislev got a bunch of models already so they'll probably release them for the empire at a later date. Doing a complete new army seems very unlikely at this stage

[@CaptainFancyCat]

I think people truly underestimate the divide within GW staffers, the use of AoS to appeal to their ESG Shareholders (BlackRock 2,225,114 shares @ 6.8% and Vanguard Group 1,547,368 shares @ 4.7), and the active suppression of Old World discourse by GW's social media team.

[@dakotah7683]

​@@CaptainFancyCatWhats the discourse,besides that one idiots ridiculous comp rule, and that one shitty book?

[@unrealassasination]

@@CaptainFancyCat First, how is AoS a vessel to appeal to ESG shareholders? If you're gonna argue the use of female models, then that argument falls apart because TOW has female models as well in units which you can argue are male only aka the new foot knights. Besides, the first TOW novel (Lords of the lance) has 4 pegasus knights which are female and a character which is gay. So no, AoS isn't what you make it out to be when it's company policy to push this kind of narrative. Secondly, you do know that the amount of shares both hold gives them little say in how the company is run? A 6% share, or 10% combined share doesn't make it possible for anyone to press such massive company changing policies through. At most suggest certain things, but in no way shape or form force GW to become more diverse, add more x models, design in x style etc. Thirdly, how is GW suppressing TOW discourse? If you're gonna argue that they delete any negative comment. Then no, that still doesn't count. Because they delete anything negative regardless of topic, be it AoS, 40K, HH or TOW.

[@spnked9516]

This is partly my theory on the matter. It looks like TOW began as a much larger project before GW reneged on it's scope and massively downsized the entire project. The two major factors driving this, I feel, was the realities of GWs current manufacturing limitations and a general lack of faith in Fantasy on the part of management due to their prior mishandling of the property. I mean, look at the project on its most base terms. It spent more than 5 years in development. That's a ridiculous amount of time for an already mostly complete product to remain in the works and only produce two factions with a small handful of new models come it's release. Moreover, I don't believe the team tasked with handling the project ever exceeded more than 5 people - not a team large enough to handle the smaller faction list, let alone all the original factions and two (semi) new ones.

[@Zogrut]

Big D I know you said this was a rush job, but mate, he still came out looking quality as per usual👌🏼

[@markozutic7771]

Love the vids man, would be really awesome to see a Bretonnian Knight of the Realm. Would love to see your take on it! Paining some up myself now and need inspiration

[@DreadPaints]

Nice work, keep them coming Deets!

[@daniellogue8365]

I love that sky blue and red color scheme. Well done as always:)

[@raymondbarnell9123]

just great job!

[@sigmatus303]

Bloody nice work mate, would love to see you attempt a Reikland Spearman

[@MrJubalEarly]

Inspired me to start painting my Kislevites. Fantastic job!

[@DaRedGobbo]

I think postponed indefinitely is probably a more fitting description since their is no doubt in my mind they release them if the demand for old world is there. It just seems like GW has overdone it a little it with expanding their catalogue of products it's pretty clear that they struggle with production and that they can't keep up with the current demand.

[@martineckelhart1531]

Just ❤ it! Another masterpiece!!

[@arandomlostsoul753]

Lovely work, cheers!

[@Fymosis]

I fell in love with Grand Cathay thanks to the third total war, i can wait 4 or 5 years to get them in plastic, i've waited longer for HH models hahahaha Worse case scenario i'll use Empire rules and Anciant China miniature. Nice painting and cool video !

[@marklindsey4112]

I don't think I've ever seen that Kislev mini before, but I bloody love it. Also, your tabletop standard is awesome. Great paint job. As for GW and the way they treat their customers, someone there seems determined to piss off as many people as they can. Their approach seems so clumsy at the moment.

[@doubleonesuk5268]

You're an inspirational hobbyist Dude! Keep up the good work!

[@anvilofdoomminiatures]

Thanks mate! I appreciate it!

[@UnitRico]

I think the key words in that statement were "for the foreseeable future". The most likely scenario (imo) is that they're going to do full releases for the current 9 armies and then look into expanding further. I can see Kislev, Cathay and some of the Legends armies getting some releases in a potential second edition of the game, especially considering how popular the game seems to be in its first few months when looking at the amount of time kits are spending out of stock.

[@andrewxyz24]

This is a crazy amount of detail. I don’t think I could ever have the patience to paint this well.

[@adamherring9803]

Loving the clickbait masking a good, balanced take in the vid, dude :D Clearly GW, or some group within, got carried away in the pandemic-era boom and their positive comms were a little strong. It was never going to be that way. They need to work out if this is really going to fly, or if the market for the game mostly wants to play with armies we already have. The way forward is clear - if we want this to suceed and to see these armies eventually, we all need to dip into our pockets on this first round of 9 armies and make it a success. There's no use not buying anything over the next 18 months and then complaining if it dwindles away!

[@peasupplyco]

Looking great man! I'm thinking gw just means it's still years before we see them.

[@gravy3907]

Rad i think i got that mini in a blister ages back used them in mordheim or as hunters/militia for empire wfb. Sir anvil your paintjob is alot better :D

[@MrEthicsgradient]

He looks flippin’ nice! One of my regrets is not picking up the Kislev stuff when it was available. The cavalry go back pre 4th edition and are still great sculpts. If they re-released them I’d probably be contemplating which kidney I could sell…

[@waterface111]

love your channel!

[@leigha3034]

I’ve got a large Kislev army awaiting paint, guess they can sit there a while longer. Should probably finish the dwarves….

[@nagashthegod]

I'm running mine as Bretonnian exiles, which fits the theme pretty well. Rather that than let them languish on a shelf forever.

[@Baylicarr]

I love the choice of colours for this one. Really evokes frozen north. Btw always wondered what brushes you use the belly on the one you use for basing seems nice?

[@wouterlute8078]

I also think, only after all the current 9 factions are released and the game still sells good for gw they will start with either releasing a campaign pack (something with kislev maybe) or they will update the armies with new sculpt models. The paintjob is again fantastic. How many hours did it take to paint like this? Grtz

[@tonypridham1253]

Whilst it would be nice to see 2 new armies for the Old World to take on all the usual armies out there, it probably won't happen. After all when did GW ever do anything their fans wanted? Great mini and paintjob as per usual. Gotta say I've never seen that mini before, but I like it a lot. cheeers.

[@livanbard]

I also agree witht that statement being just a failsafe. If you think about it people never imagined that AoS would have slannesh armies but they did eventually.

[@davidpaterson2979]

Great looking model, not so bothered about Cathy but I'd definitely be after a Kislev force if they were released

[@anvilofdoomminiatures]

Thanks dude! Yeah I’d definitely be after them as well

[@offroadturkey]

We’re always more upset by what we don’t get rather than excited for all the cool stuff we do

[@rupertjones5197]

I think we need to remember that we’ve got 9 core factions to get through first, then I’d imagine they’ll bring back the legacy factions then work on the Kislev and cathay. The team doing the old world is no way near as big as the AOS or 40K it’s more like 30k or necromunda. I really do hope empire doesn’t come last though, there the models I’m after and I’m not particularly bothered about any other factions

[@tegangarland5024]

💯 would drop cash on both Kislev and Cathay armies. Hell i’m doing a “vampire counts” army themed around the Red Duke kitbashing the Bretonnians with Soulblight while I wait for Wood Elves to drop.

[@canuckchuck8836]

He looks fantastic! Wow man... Say, what brushes do you use? Did you cover this in an earlier video? I have watched all your videos but my memory is horrible...

[@LazerMEOW]

It may be old news, but this is now the first time I m hearing bout it. Probably also means no new (or old) Chorfs anytime soon.

[@jamesgreen9480]

No chance of new factions if they can't even commit to bringing back all the old ones

[@bremer1701]

I think they will wait and see how the old world sells. Not only in this first couple of month but more like in the first two or three years. If it sells well, they will bring at least Kislev because GW allready has the molds for the modells. And if that runs well as well they might bring cathay

[@angelicdoomduck]

I live every day with an eternal hope that Kislev will return one day. One day.

[@matthinton19]

I recon your on the money. While alot of people are excited to see the old world the back I don’t know anybody that’s playing. If the money is there I don’t see why gw wouldn’t release them

[@fjalarhenriksson]

i think like you do about this future release

[@WeekendWarriorMinis]

If they eventually come out with a Cathay army I will 100% be purchasing that. I wonder how they will handle the design because Cathay never actually got minis back in the day right?

[@The_Captain40k]

I expect it would follow the total war warhammer designs

[@livanbard]

The base look is quite obvious: long haired warriors with hair bums and lamellar armor. Chinese fantasy doesn't have any way to deviate from that. The real creative recessions is stuff as the unit compassions the fantastical elements they be either based of sword fantasy or classic mythology and exact period they going to base their stuff off, but I expect a mix and match approach and some Mongolian elements such as light horseman since the name Cathay is more about proto Mongolia than proto China.

[@livanbard]

About Kislev the looks are set on stone too. They are polish hussar mixed with Streltsy and cossacks. The real challenge of this one is how they going to make them a heavy cavalry army without making than just bretonnians 2.0.

[@Ultr4l0f]

​@@livanbardHeavy cav? Kislev feels more like Empire minus the black powder imho. Total Warhammer 3 is probably a good guide, as it is GW approved. I only played 1 and 2. But a glance at their roster seems to show 1 regular knight unit and then the bear-riders (so more like demi-gryphs?). But haveing them be separate from the feel of empire can be tricky. Ice magic, magic items and the ice-archers slowing the enemy down could open up some strategic novelty. Add the Move Trough Cover to large parts of the army and you will have something pretty nice. A more mobile, less shooty Empire

[@JohnPC00]

Kislev and Cathay aren't cancelled, but they aren't going to show up before the 9 core factions have been released. Hell, I can barely buy any Bretonnians as it is. Kislev at the very least is required as the story trajectory is taking us to Kislev during the Great War Against Chaos. The Imperial civil war is the prelude, Prince Alexis is mentioned (who was the reigning Tzar during the Great War). This also applies to the Legacy armies, as Daemons obviously take part in the war, and Skaven reappear around this time as well. Malekith invades Ulthuan prior to the Great War, which means Dark Elves. So long as GW doesn't fuck everything up by giving a pittance of support when the demand is clearly here. Cathay is a bit harder to pin down, but seeing as how Kislev has a lot more territory at this point, pre war, they might release around the same time given that they trade with each other regularly. They may also get support around the same time with an invasion of the Great Bastion.

[@Ultr4l0f]

I think your speculations are correct. They will slowly build this up. And hopefully we will get a Old World 2.0 with more , or all, armies. Pretty much like how Total War Warhammer did. The game SEEMS like a great succes so far. But damn. GW is realy showing their production limits. What I would realy like is a more open roadmap. They probably have one. So knowing both what will be released, and how they will habdle the rules. By now we realy need a second FAQ. And I would also want to know if they have any plans to "patch" the armies. Like 40K 10th edition has quarterly adjustmenst. I wouldnt mind small tweaks to points atleast.

[@ThorekIronbrow]

I hope launching 2 out of 9 factions didn't affect sales to the point they're reconsidering support. Then again, I'd rather see Chorfs return before bringing it up to 4 human factions. Kickass paintjob, by the way.

[@Gumlass1]

Even with only 2/9 factions released, everything is sold out. They literally can't produce enough of ONLY 2 ARMIES. It's definitely very poor planning.

[@michaciemniewski9791]

They have supply issues for months now. Chaos Dwarfs? How? They have no infantry models in plastic and all their non legacy armies have.

[@the_lichemaster]

They sort of did Kislev before. Cathay too back in the late '80s but the latter is pretty much a blank sheet in terms of lore so there's more scope for original ideas.

[@goforitpainting]

Looks cool.

[@strategogod]

They know if they fully release the old world AoS will evaportate

[@HallBr3gg]

The light came back!

[@stevencatt4026]

What’s the base colour?

[@anvilofdoomminiatures]

Wraithbone 👍

[@brionl4741]

I don't think they are stretching it on purpose, they are just running up against the limits of their production capacity. Anyway, for GW "the foreseeable future" is probably about 5 years. So don't look for anything before then.

[@GoatTheGoat]

Kislev and Cathay will definitely come if WH:TOW continues to sell well. GW needs to release the nine existing core factions first. That will take a couple years. The note saying there are no immediate plans is correct and accurate. People need to calm down.

[@gbirdnonsense1084]

Saved them as good guy factions for 2nd edition to offset all the awesome villain factions they denied us this edition

[@dominikfittschen2955]

If people buy enough old world stuff and that's over a long time than there is a small chance for new armies for the old world

[@mogwaiman6048]

Probably not officially releasing for more than five years. Could take ten years.

[@kevoreilly6557]

Yeah - weeks ago

[@spaceiguana5066]

I wonder what could have happened between the announcement (2020 I believe) and now to make GW gunshy about bringing in a very Russian-esque faction 🤔 Ah, right. I'm willing to bet they scrapped plans completely because of the political situation, or at the very least decided to wait a good bit on them because of it

[@Trazynn]

I know that Netflix is run by several executives who each manage their own portfolio and don't care about the others. A rather toxic way to run a company. I sometimes feel GW is run the same way. Different executives running different games, each who are in some faux competition with each other. Old World and AoS are fishing for the same customers. AoS is the dominant game obviously, but if the Old World takes off then it might be a disaster for whoever is running AoS which would create an incentive to sabotage the Old World.

[@dicnar]

They’re not entirely canceled, just likely postponed. In reality, Kislev has indeed been put on hold due to the war. It will probably be released someday.

[@TheKsalad]

Cathay and Kislev are the most lukewarm factions in total war anyway it's not a huge problem we're down 2 human factions when we still have empire and brettonians to proxy them as

[@VikingFireProject]

For the Algorithm!

[@MichaRabiej]

Given the invasion that has started two years ago, launching Kislev would be in a particular poor taste. Not until the war ends and a few years more.

[@Dummythxc]

More like chef boyardee

[@zaynevanday142]

It’s not cancelled is down the track 😂😂😂

[@zaynevanday142]

This is Gay Worksluts SOP 😂😂😂

[@lectric]

i honestly couldnt care less about Cathay being canned

[@Mikester88]

Same

[@Daveyjonez33]

You especially are gonna hate this but the reason old world is going to fail is because they are relying on old models. Most people don’t want to pay for skeleton molds from ‘96. They should rely on new models for the old world with fewer favorite classic minis for made-to-order.

[@worldeater07]

Sacrément en retard comme nouvelle