will my next off-road build be GAS or DIESEL powered?

[@DrFiero]

I've got two '08 Sierras. Almost identical. But... One gas, one diesel. Yes, the 6.6 is of course a lot (~1000lbs) heavier. But the power difference is INSANE. You're forced to rev the 5.3, slipping in/out of the converter happy zone. The 6.6, you just pick an RPM (anywhere above idle) and it just stays there. I put a 4K lb trailer behind it, and had to keep checking the rear view to make sure it was still there!

[@james10739]

Well if you got a 5.3l gas and a 6.6l diesel they really are not almost the same one is a 1/2 ton and the other is a 3/4 ton or more i guess they probably look similar

[@DrFiero]

Check further into what "almost" means. Not to mention it has ZERO relevance to the topic at hand. Sigh...

[@ray132001]

You guys do realize that 3/4 ton trucks come in gas and diesel variants right?

[@james10739]

@ray132001 yes a 6.0l or an 8.1l

[@jordantrujillo293]

I still vote for a supercharged LS.

[@adventurefriendsgo]

Lt! You’ve gotta do a gmt800 off road build! I feel like the Yukon/ Tahoe platform is slept on as a cheap 4wd to get your foot in the door. But with your expertise I bet you could snag a 6.0 2500 (they’ve already got a disc brake 14b) and then just replicate the diesel sport truck build with a frame chop and do a linked Dana 60 up front. The thing would be a monster!

[@jordantrujillo293]

I just sold my XJ and bought a 2003 Tahoe two weeks ago. Key thing is it has a Dana 60 swapped in front and a 14 bolt rear.

[@88HillTop]

I got you brother. Jeep Truck, the nomenclature for that model is JT. 07-18 Jeeps are JK (4 doors JKU); from mid 2018 to current are JLs (4 door JLU). I'm a Jeeo guy. I watch literally all of you guys channels all the time. I love vehicle content. I've learned so much and read so much from watching all you. I really appreciate you guys stepping away from your normal professions and sharing you knowledge.

[@darrylhewitt6360]

Bank's pedal monster could help with throttle response?

[@PeterHatch-mx7zc]

Great build on that motor for matts offroad

[@LawrenceTolman]

Thanks a bunch, I’m glad you liked it!

[@PeterHatch-mx7zc]

@LawrenceTolman its a credit to you on your engine building !!

[@SharpShooterCO]

What an awesome time you had, and now you have the bug... Gasser for the win, supercharged, for the response and sheer fun factor... as for platform??? I don't think i have ever witnessed you build a custom, non commercial, rig. By that i mean, not starting with a rig from a factory and blowing it apart and reassembling... and actual custom one off LT Special Offroad Masterpiece! All kidding aside, anything you decide on works for me... just can't get enough of your honesty and craftsmanship!

[@Sjanzo]

For a souped up Duramax , check out Gale Banks. He builds the motors for the US Army JLTV You cant really compare a 5.3 V8 with a 3 liter EPA compliant 3 liter four banger with half the horsepower. A series turbo setup can give instant throttle response. The 220hp version of 2.4 liter Volvo D5 has a switch valve that switches airflow from the small turbo to the big one when enough flow is generated to drive the big turbo. Response is instant and torque blows you away.

[@BastrdMcQueen]

6:15 Kaitlyn could spot me anytime! Excellent communication... you can tell that's her language

[@charlesamey3144]

I've got a 2023 duramax and I added a banks pedal monster. The pedal monster is what you need to get rid of any throttle lag.

[@shemwhitehead9517]

The engine response isn't great in a turbo diesel. (Gale Banks enters the chat) "Supercharged Duramax, coming right up."

[@HRTSBRT]

pretty sure I talked about that engine when I visited: OM606 (around 500lbs fully dressed) Mechanical Fuelpump from Diesel Pumps UK and a Supercharger. There's plenty of aftermarket support, talking mounting plates for different transmissions, manifolds etc and with a stock bottom end you could get yourself easily a lightweight 400+HP power plant. Don't know if the inline design makes a huge difference in keeping most of the weight in the center but any way I'm excited to see what you'll come up with! And happy new years from Germany!

[@P-J-W-777]

Yes tuning will get rid of the delay in some diesels. My powerstroke which is tuned has zero hesitation or delay. The powers is available when I request it.

[@PK15306]

Not even started and you've got a big ol grin!

[@ThomasLopez-k5k]

That looks like so much fun. The wagon at the end is so cool!

[@phillip.9524]

I have a Toyota 300 series with a twin turbo diesel V6. I have a EVC Ultimate throttle controller and it has immediate response. It is adjustable from mild to hold my beer…🇦🇺🍺

[@Chinco_NL]

I don't agree. A non turbo diesel engine with the throttle on the pump has as much response as a gas engine. It just has no horse power (but torque). I've driven more then a 500k miles in a 1905cc diesel with a whole 72 horses from Citroën. The best and civilized diesel from the 80s and 90s. Performed really well in the slick mud road conditions here. Man, I loved that Citroën BX. Have a lot of fun building one, will be awesome to see!

[@monsterram6617]

I love diesels, have one myself; but they aren't the best choice for off-road. They are significantly heavier and slow to respond (even with compounds) when compared to gassers.

[@ioanandrei8814]

Only problem…. Whole entire planet drives diesel on manual in offroad situations…. 😂😂😂

[@jeffmcdonald101]

@@ioanandrei8814 Except like...every motorsport category aside from the odd LeMans exhibition engine. Oh, and the entire Utah offroad KZbin community. Otherwise, yes, everyone. 🤣

[@johndcramblit3045]

I was watching a youtube video with people 4wheelin & one guy had a newer wrangler that he put a cummins 4bt in it & that jeep scaled a boulder that was bigger than the jeep! He had suspension with all kinds of flex & he went up & over that huge boulder with no problems! On one of the car shows on tv I saw a guy build a cummins 4bt & it had 430hp & a little over 1,000lb ft of torque, that's a lot of hp from a 4 banger & a huge load of torque & it's lighter weight than one of those really heavy 6 or 8 cylinder diesels but still puts out the same amount of torque. Put a 4l80 behind it & when you need instant response like when you're climbing one of those straight up walls, hold the brake pedal down, give it some gas so that the motor is making some torque, release the brake & let that torquey little engine pull right up the incline! I think you should build an s10 single cab so it has that short wheelbase with a cummins 4bt in it with a suspension that can flex to Canada & back & you will have a ton of fun!! Oh and put some great brakes on it, like 6 to 8 piston calipers & drilled & slotted rotors, you will definitely need great brakes for climbing them steep rock walls.

[@MikeLewis-ot6qh]

I believe the delays are caused by the gas pedal being electronic in the computer purposely delaying reaction if the gas pedal was originally a throttle cable that is direct input, and those issues will go away

[@charlesflakusj.r6344]

you need to out wagon Matt... when you build your off roader make it from an epic wagon for a classic look a late 50's for rambler wagon on a custom tube frame. for an 80's nostalgia get and ford LTD wagon on a superduty frame for 90's flare a caprice wagon on a suburban running gear or a 2000's junk and dodge magnum wagon body setting on a ram chassis

[@amatueroverlanding4361]

I have a diesel gladiator on 37's. The throttle response sucks stock. It needs to be tuned. I've had it off road all over the country. 40k miles now. Hasn't let me down yet and gets 22 mpg. It's a modern diesel though. You can't just abuse it like an old Cummins and expect it to last forever. They need to kept up with on maintenance and can't be short cycled.

[@jeffmcdonald101]

I think you'd be crazy to go against the sheer experience and knowledge of Matt and the rest of the serious rock crawling mob and go diesel. Check out mischief maker, trailmater, robby, fab rats etc etc etc. Look at motorsport. From go-carts to motorcycles, to formula cars, to nascar and all the other series. There's a good reason maybe? If you want to overland or tow, go diesel. That's what they are for. If you want responsiveness, it's really a no brainer (though MANY die hards will argue). Cheers, mech eng and life long racer.

[@workingguy-OU812]

If you're gonna create one, I'd love to see you stick with the GMT800 chassis, but altering it for the clearance front & rear, and width, needed for 4x4'ing out there.

[@78Mitsu]

It really depends on the diesel. An lb7 has pretty good throtrle response because the static compression ratio is a lot higher than later diesels, small fixed turbo. They are heavier but only a few hundred lbs. Low to midrange power, and something that will stay cool is what you want.

[@all.how.actual]

My ‘17 Silverado was the same as yours on throttle response. I put a Pedal Commander on it and removed the DBW lag

[@CrinosAD]

I get the throttle response is better in a gas NA engine. I will be slower with a airfeeder in line, but...not as slow as a diesel. but. what all gas engines lack, even with seriously amounts of forced air. Torque. The diesel does not even have to work while hauling, while the gas would run alot harder. Consuming more fuel, and in all cost more to operate. (at least if gas prices are as here in Norway, crazy expensive in relative to diesel). You might say that you need a tad more skill and planning as you mentioned, to run a diesel rig, but. I still believe it's better than gas for towing, in all conditions. And I'm not even a super hard fanboy of diesel... I run EV 98% of the time. (after all, I live in Norway). I do have a '03 2500 RAM with a 5.9 Cummins with a mild tune of aprox 450HP and 800 Lbft of torque, if I mount my compound turbo kit, I get about 800HP and 1200 lbft of torque. (but still slower than a gas engine on throttle response) And I guess that Gail Banks have something to say about proper tuning of a diesel and how to make it outperform many gas equivalents in build cost.

[@benjaminpowell1488]

Hell yeah! Please record some stuff for us!

[@Sabumnim666]

Add a throttle controller should fix the delays in the diesel

[@bikerbrego]

I just finished watching truck tech where you did the exhaust and fuel on the Duramax swap C10 1500. I think you should do a diesel truck

[@ron486]

We would like you to build something with Matt. That would be cool.

[@homerepairguy1]

BACK INTO THE AWD fullsize build ❤

[@deadpuppyccc]

sounds like you guys need a banks pedal monster to solve the throttle response

[@samlyda7558]

Glad to see another episode with no camera in LT's hands.

[@adrianw3985]

The Jeep Gladiator (JT) is a 3.0 liter V6 diesel. Not a 4 cylinder.

[@ritchardposterior262]

find a single seater sand rail/dune buggy. then do some crazy suspension on it. aluminum V8. call it good.

[@gopackgo69]

Banks peddle monster will fix the throttle response.

[@teaguegearhart9851]

I am thinking V8 supercharged hellcat 37s XJ. Wire throttle all the way.

[@heathergreylive]

Dull throttle tip-in is my least favorite thing about electronic throttles. On manual cars it's even worse because they are often programmed to ignore blips entirely.

[@turnquistpe]

The delay isn't from the fuel type it is from throttle being mechanical linkage on the morvair and drive by wire on the jeep. That being said, a diesel will take longer to move up the rpm range simply because they are built heavier. But unlike in a gasoline engine you do not need the rpm to put down the torque

[@Timoastra]

The issue is likely that a disel needs to be turbocharged to have any reasonable power, and the turbo introduces quite a bit of lag. A supercharged diesel should be fine, but since diesels burn with much leaner mixture compared to gasoline, the supercharger would need to be large, expensive and heavy to make torque that can compete with gasoline.

[@danielmichalka2648]

In my experience mechanical injection pump and apropriate size turbo diesel responds to throttle faster than modern computer controlled gasoline engine

[@jimbote1968]

OM606 mercedes. It will be badass!!

[@jamesloughran7278]

I think he has caught the off road bug. He will be in a rock bouncer before long.

[@goat3898]

Comparing an eco diesel to a gas engine is like comparing dog poop And chocolate pudding. That’s the worst diesel. As someone that works on them it’s a big turd.

[@kevenhiemie]

LT You need to check out the pedal monster by Banks for your throttle problems. #supercharge #turbocharge the world

[@JamesRichards-ik5yn]

the jeep truck thing is a gladiator.. the calling is jt!!

[@1701enter]

So it seems to me Matt and LT should perhaps build a “responsive” diesel. As I like both! A diesel mated to an auto box keeps throttle and torque up, so would a more flexible programme keep the diesel working, or rip all that stuff off and make an old-fashioned stamp-and-go type? And why not supercharge the race car Corvair

[@jeffmcdonald101]

You cannot make a diesel as responsive as a gas engine. That's just not how it works, no matter how many band-aid fixes you throw at it. Are there any other actual engineers around on this channel who aren't drunk on diesel??

[@AaronBelknap]

That is awesome. Dave Chapelle collab?

[@timevans2621]

and when are you going to finish the s10???

[@clevelandcarpenter8535]

I would love to see a 2.0 version of the S-10 Baja edition from the early 90’s.

[@charlesschneider7079]

My build would be a square-body Blazer with a Duramax/Allison.

[@HayCO33]

How about a Procharged 2.8 diesel found in a 17-21 . Would be the baby Duramax with a supercharger kinda like Banks LockJaw Duramax.

[@CrinosAD]

"Miller Locker".... that's just a nice way to say "welded"? 😂

[@chaseautry7753]

Lets do a twin charged diesel!!!! I could even help out without pay.

[@vee950]

Diesels are good a basic tune will take care of the throttle response i did it with my VW and that jeep looks like it's on 37s not 40s I have 37s on my ZJ Jeep

[@mr.twhosasking5160]

I see a gmt800 Tahoe in your future!!

[@christophershafer5615]

Do you know anything about 1500HD trucks for off-road use? Do they have good axles? Do 2500 HD axles bolt on directly for an upgrade path later?

[@qdoggyrufruf]

morrvair needs a super or pro charger to preserve throttle response

[@fartzr.schmelli3351]

Ok. You said a Duramax maybe. 3l Inline 6 Duramax? It's a diesel but can do high revs-ish stuff as well?

[@scotthultin7769]

199 👍's up LT thank you for sharing 🤗

[@georgelugenalt200]

Diesel is awesome, but due to the expense of maintaining the late model diesels and their dumb environmental requirements, gas is cheaper, and the performance gap is narrowing. I don't know if the regulators are trying to wipe out diesel or not, but they are doing a good job of it either way.

[@radrag1945]

Sweet another video

[@sponge1995]

Cant wait for you to wack that supercharger on the morrvairr gonna make it extra saucyy

[@MrSelmo85]

Its funny they never say anything about the knocking on MORR 😂

[@wkjeeping9053]

A pedal commander will take care of your throttle issues

[@Golden-69]

I'm a gas guy all day long. My better half told me i have gas at night, too😅

[@callumjohnson9433]

If you want desiel it needs to be manual transmission

[@BubaJ1000]

Gas!! You can find gas everywhere. The QT’s in Az didn’t have it for a long time. I haven’t looked at Costco to see if they have it. I’ll take my 8.1 all day long. 6.0 gasser is gutless.

[@ClaudioSantos-ru6eg]

LT search on KZbin patrol m57 engine and look the brutal power ou engine response

[@bobqzzi]

There aren't any high performance diesels outside of LeMans. The only thing they are better at than gas engines is getting better mileage- by every other metric, a gas engine is superior.

[@ray132001]

There's a wack load of high performance diesels. It all depends on your definition of high performance. Lots of people getting mid 2-3 thousand horsepower out of the 5.9 Cummins.

[@theplayernkc]

What ever happened to that New Edge Mustang build you were doing?

[@bluecollarhotrods9781]

I think he sold it before the move to Colorado.

[@sammarais5917]

Camera guy is off his game today

[@pm-bn9zt]

tahoe on tons with a lsa please

[@mikemuir6402]

Jeep truck or gladiator is JT

[@mikelovin7]

Gas build 👍🏻

[@Gary-x7v]

LT talk to gale backs he could make u a fantastic diesel

[@dirvingmylifeaway9001]

Did you just disqualify LT from being an none off road driver?

[@justacoupleofkids320]

I’m sure you could spend enough money to make the diesel as responsive as you want it to be, but you can’t spend enough money to make the diesel weigh 1,000 pounds less than it does.

[@michaeldeas1969]

The only thing I hate about diesels now is all of the ridiculous emissions garbage.

[@speedwack]

We waited two weeks for this?!?

[@justinkramer3653]

Thats what im saying! I didnt subscribe to this channel to watch the other guys content. Please get back to your own builds LT.

[@BillMulholland1]

🍻👍

[@patrickweaver1105]

You know I've seen some bait and switch titles for videos. I've seen some clickbait titles for videos. I've never seen ones where the video was better, much better, than promised. This is going to be a good year.

[@bryansimon3206]

Antisapat 😂 this🫢

[@davidblalock9945]

Here's my Not actually more complicated, just different, Idea. Why not take a crack at building a hybrid off roader. Edison motors is developing a retrofit kit for trucks. GM has their eCrate kit. Ford also has motors from the Mustang Mach(er)-E.

[@Rodrick-v3b]

Electric

[@timevans2621]

it better not be an off-road ill unsubscribe

[@Westerntraveler]

Bye

[@sp192x]

Finish your existing projects