Will Throne & Liberty FLOP?

[@LittleFattyGaming]

This was pretty refreshing compared to all the hate-farming videos out there from people who never even reached end-game.

[@DeusVultBellator]

agreed, i've watched a lot of vids and comments before downloading the game and they all say the same thing over and over. Pansy is the most honest so far, and that's why i'm following him since the time i played bdo. Game is good and can improve in time, has it's flaws but it's not that bad as they depict it

[@SleepyRaijin]

95% of people hating on TL are legit people who watched Asmongold play until level 10 and completely write off every aspect of the game (there is a clip of it) I've seen many people parrot his exact words rather than trying it themselves (it's literally FREE). Nobody hates MMORPG's more than MMORPG players. I think it's going to be a lot of fun.

[@daniellesweeney4863]

I played it in Korea , it personally wasn’t my cup of tea. I didn’t much care for the combat and lack of open world things to do. Also it wasn’t really an open world PvP game, it’s more of an instanced PvP game. It focuses allot on the large scale PvP elements if that’s all you want outta a MMO , I think it’s great for people who just want to PvP and not much of anything else. I personally more enjoy the PvE or professions of an MMO and then dabble in PvP casually for fun. So it wasn’t a horrible game as some ppl think, it just wasn’t made for me. It doesn’t really have much in the PvE aspect but a few dungeons. I personally like having a mix of stuff with PvE being main focus and PvP being a side thing I can do for fun if that makes sense. I like large scale PvP at times , it can be fun but I am more into things like okay best example I can give was BDOs shadow Arena , AOS , Guild league. I did find their war of the roses an interesting concept but they need to improve upon it. Things I can do on the side with PvE as a main focus. WoW is a game I enjoy the PvE aspect in allot.

[@Cwazymike]

I played it and thought it sucked 🤷

[@abdelrahmanrad]

@@Cwazymike no u didn't. 2 hours of gameplay is not ''i played it''.

[@Cwazymike]

@abdelrahmanrad Yeah ok bud 2 hours.... sure That's still enough time to say the combat is garbage 🤣 But keep defending the game 🤷

[@TTV_FlashStep]

The game is gonna be cheeks cope

[@therealexpletive]

honestly im just excited for "something else" thats "new and exciting".

[@ColdNapalm42]

@@therealexpletive there is nothing new about T&L. It's a clone MMO of things we have seen for the past 20 years. Exciting I leave to you.

[@Ok_Dokie_kO]

Ive played many mmos, including bdo now, and i dont see anything that bad with TnL combat. Sure bdos "combat" is one of the best but its completely wasted ... atleast nowadays. And yes, TnL combat is better than some people make it out to be. I can tell a big majority of those people havent been keeping up with anything about the game and/or are watching creators who basically hate every mmo that isnt their childhood favorite AND havent been keeping up with the game as well. PvP is very fun here if you just give it a chance. Drama will be had and those old school guild fights are 100% possible and real. Based vid i must say! Your concerns and dislikes are very much valid. I want the game to succeed and i feel it will. A multiplatform global mmo always has a good potential to be a success. More works needs to be done and i cant wait to see how they go about it.

[@lVladness]

the part i didnt like about tnl combat was when I get attacked by multiple mobs I cant focus the big one first as easy n I cant kill them all at the same time with aoe.. aoe range probably need boosting but I was a low lvl so I guess it gets better

[@FeelMyBack1998]

@@lVladness new combat system has so many AOE skills in all classes

[@lVladness]

@@FeelMyBack1998 yeah I keep Up with updates hope it feels better but it's a free game so I'll def be playing it

[@pinie111]

I hate the 'but you can get the premium currency as f2p player ' argument. Someone still has to buy it from ncsoft first. If nobody swipes for gear you can't even use the auction house. You should applaud everyone that has less time to play but some disposable income to fund your f2p gameplay. Keep it real.

[@Tae4880]

Ye go ahead and swipe for gear and still lose to everyone who actually grinds the game for traits and enhancements 😂

[@pinie111]

@@Tae4880 You think only casuals swipe ? A lot of whales will be playing hardcore as well. It's not either/or. It's And paying and playing.

[@kerubian89]

Its f2p MMO, do you expect it not to be p2w? cmon.. Games that can affort to survive only by selling cosmetics are a few, and not even in this genre. Be realistic. At least this is still enjoyable. I've been playing in corea since release, it works for me. Maybe it does not for you, just try. If you dont like it, then quit and play something else, its as easy as that.

[@paintspot1509]

​@@Tae4880 are you still shilling this dead game?

[@Tae4880]

@@paintspot1509 are you still bitching about a game you dont have to play?

[@eugenstash]

It kinda sounds like you're trying to sell me some Throne and Liberty

[@brandonbursley1924]

I mean its free hahaha, might as well try it out

[@hellbender27]

They added fishing and cooking, so I’m happy with that addition. I don’t know why but I’ve always enjoyed fishing and games, especially MMO for some reason how beneficial not sure but I’ve enjoyed it.

[@SGSAMII]

Would love to add a few points! From last time you played Beta the combat has changed drasticalluly. Life skilling is slowly being implemented with Fishing and cooking already in the game confirmed for our launch. PVE has been updated WOW style Mythic Challenge dungeons have been added with a global rankings Raids is coming very soon in Korea. A new constant Open world PVP zoned is confirmed for October release. Arena 3v3 was added and confirmed for Amazon Launch With more modes and battlegrounds coming soon. Awesome video looking forward to you playing it!

[@iamtheliquor67]

2 pansy videos in 2 days?? Mannnnn, its like Christmas right now lol I'm liking the chill structure of just throwing out opinions and ideas on these last few videos. Hope to see more!

[@TacoRemixx]

the combat has improved tremendously since beta. The game feels damn nice, highly recommend, there's a lot of potential and we need the US chiming in for those suggested changes and once that hits we got a great fuckin game on our hands.

[@paintspot1509]

@@TacoRemixx way to little to late I'm afraid. This game is toast.

[@rossaryrose9337]

BDO is in league if its own, because of combat. If anything TL competes with WOW and FF14

[@zeid9828]

I'm playing both BDO (6yrs) and TL Korea (2months). Both are fun! I switch them around once I get bored of the other one. 😀

[@Junkyy-loxa]

pvp event ( not guild event) => you get assigned to a grp randomly. If people stick to the 4 guilds alliance, drama should not be a thing... But if half the server make unofficial alliance using the enemi guild tag yeah drama will be a thing...

[@SGSAMII]

There are also Guild PVP events. Alongside this so drama is secured :D

[@Rated_xv]

In albion online the term is called "hand-holding." I think it will 100% be a thing but who knows...

[@FeelMyBack1998]

they changed the alliance system yesterday

[@Junkyy-loxa]

@@FeelMyBack1998 that's a W

[@FRESHY_GG]

any hate/bad review about TL is coming from people who have either not played the game at all or not played a game long enough to even experience end game PVE and PVP.

[@jzeat1480]

I agree.

[@DirtCheapFU]

@FRESHY_GG What you have going on here is exclusivity. When you see people hating on something because they're too poor and stupid to have access to enjoy it. And then, on other side, you have... the Lords of the realm. 'Poor peasant. Haven't you played the game, that has yet, to released? Oh, how would some poor, gutterboi, know the refinement of... Throne and Liberty". The game is DoA. The game is right because some people want to play and can't play and do play and they leave. Now you have a dead game. What was our last lordship game? Lost Ark. Well, at least for me.

[@FRESHY_GG]

@@DirtCheapFU this sounds like chatgpt wrote a comment for you

[@kerubian89]

Also, most of the big big content creators are only pve players. So they only focus on what they like to play in a MMO. This game is more focus on end game massive pvp, so what can we expect?

[@paintspot1509]

So I guess we have to ignore all the people who quit after playing the game in Korea, right?

[@karefool2494]

Nah dude to be competitive state on gear you do need to grind eight hours a day. Also someone can definitely P2W and whipe your team out if your full f2p. At least for the first three months

[@TipTopSnow]

I didn’t expect to have as much fun as I did and tbh I was kinda blown away with the last global beta. Had no idea what it was before I saw it on the PS Store. I haven’t played too many mmo’s but I was interested in a beta test. Honestly haven’t had that much fun on a game in a while, between main quests, gear leveling, and world events, there was always something to do. And then I joined a guild😂 now I’ve committed to the Early Access with 280 somethin other people and they all seem to have high hopes for this one

[@QuikSnoopy]

I've been looking for a good MMO to play, I'm hoping this is it!

[@wisecherry]

One very important thing to keep in mind is that the game can change any time after its release. There have been many games that were okay when they released but very quickly changed to crazy p2w or changed some in game systems which gave p2w player more advantage. So anyway maybe during the first year we can see if the game has hope. If they don't make such drastic changes so soon, then there is hope that the game can survive and stay around for a long time

[@imPansy]

idk man Aion's always been decent. We'll have to wait and see. KR hasn't exploded in p2w yet, theyve spent the past year fixing issues. so it should be a decent couple of months

[@wisecherry]

@@imPansy In my opinion p2w is acceptable if it is up to the level of BDO. As long as you can get everything that gives power basically by playing the game, it is fine. Also as long as buying power is not cheap so that people can get to the end game without paying crazy amount of money. Worse than this is probably not okay for me. Anyway it is going to be interesting to see how well T&L will do and how will it actually affect BDO. Also if PA will do anything to stay competitive if T&L does well

[@KraftyGamez]

​@@imPansyto be fair all of this companies past Games were p2w very much so which killed them and the track record has been bad so it's fair people already see it is p2w like this and feel it's going to get worse.

[@Sairento-kun]

You can tell it about any MMO, even b2p all them can become p2w if the devs want it

[@wisecherry]

@@Sairento-kun For sure potentially any game can change any time, but there are some companies who are more trustable and some who aren't. Usually greedy companies show their true colors quite fast :)

[@daniellesweeney4863]

I think it will get a small percentage of loyal players who enjoy hardcore PvP , I think it’s not what many ppl are expecting as well. I have seen so many people who PvE expecting it to blow them away and nope. It lacks very much in PvE , it also is not open world PvP it’s instances. I think bots are a major problem as well. I think it will get a small group of PvPers who enjoy the large scale PvP but outside of that I don’t think it will be what many are expecting it to be.

[@daniellesweeney4863]

I left another comment previously but forgot to answer if I thought it be successful or flop basically.

[@BaerBodo]

Now we know: It has flopped! You can have some weeks of fun for sure with TL (I play it for myself) but before Christmas it will be dead!

[@ElmerYee-wh7bp]

Like the fkng new world which I bought because of hype

[@iPoDDyTNL]

Nice takes, glad you explained things properly, everyone thought its another korean mmo coming to west but tbf, after the multiple updates we've seen, the game has huge potential in west

[@BobbyShau]

We are ready, 3 Romanian clans ready to pvp over here.

[@El1t3]

Unde, cand, cum, vreau si eu :)

[@funks5807]

Si euuu

[@-ANT-69]

i think it will do great but it will drop off like 99% of MMORPGs but the thing is you don't need 1mil players for this game to survive. Vast majority of the content is GvG which is 70v70. sieges are every other weekend when there is 2000+ there. You don't need 1mil players to do a 2000+ player siege

[@sportschool3537]

No but you need at the very least a 200k players as a playerbase for this to be healthy... You can't have WoW or FFXIV numbers but you need a healthy player base... if you're 50k at launch you're running on fumes...

[@Unchainedful]

Exactly what Sport just said. F**king this! For an MMO, the cost to upkeep this is quadruple of how much it cost to keep a live service game up. A MMO game NEEDS at minimum 100k players. Otherwise the game’s economy will eventually fail, which will dishearten most players and shrink your game even which will cause streamers(the game’s advertising) to leave as well, which will cause other players to leave, then other player will refuse to play it because of low publicity, population, and negative reviews. So far this game is VERY niche, so it will have to reach out to other players to increase popularity. As much as people say they hate them, every single game needs casual players to keep any game alive.

[@sportschool3537]

@@UnchainedfulAgreed... First of all, casual players should be loved because they are the ones that actually play for fun and not cause "it's their job to win"... Secondly, this game is not niche... it's just an actual real MMO in a gaming era where MMOs don't exist anymore cause they've all become sad solo games with much worse gameplay than actual solo games... Finally, this game will have a massive population IF the morons that we call the "MMO community" stop being sheep for MMOByte, Lazy Peon and Asmongold and ACTUALLY try the game with an open mind... the combat is better than WoW, the "P2W" is uneducated bullshit because if they understood economics 101 they would understand that in a game where the whales pay the F2P players to buy power, the F2P players can exist and prosper just fine cause they're literally using the whales money to keep up with them... Sorry but the conversation around this game gives me a headache... it's less P2W than WoW where you buy gold from the game directly and buy elite gear on day 1, it's free and it's a REAL MMO... an MMO where you have to play with OTHER PLAYERS... oh what a tragedy... if you don't like this MMO because of it then you simply don't like MMOs... PERIOD!!!

[@NickDestowet]

Been waiting for this haven’t played mmos In awhile,grew up playing wow and played alotta eso can’t wait to see what this game holds 🔥

[@daniellesweeney4863]

Considering they will be competing with BDO , I had wondered if some of the changes happened due to J.J. When it came to the P2W.

[@l3iowormlive862]

The main goal to make a game is to make money that's how we reward developers and the time they spend making any game the rest is just optional feelings

[@markashurst2890]

Black Desert players right now 12,588 12,688 all time count 60,395 THRONE AND LIBERTY 228,653 301,023 326,377

[@JWhite205]

I'm actually putting money behind this game because it does look amazing. I've been waiting for this game for a while. I haven't played it yet, but I haven't really enjoyed an MMO for a prolonged time since Black Desert

[@paintspot1509]

@@JWhite205 be ready for some epic disappointment

[@juniisenpai3777]

Throne and Liberty is Introverts nightmare. lmao

[@theelightgaming5143]

I just downloaded and played TnL with a Vpn, absolutely amazing looking game, the seamless teleporting is mindblowing. Runs super smooth, the tab target I've always wanted. Feels familiar to guildwars and bdo. :) Amour sets and weapons look awesome aswell.

[@imPansy]

i was shocked at how well the backend was done. In both KR and NA Beta I had 0 server lag

[@LordsOfSkulls]

its a Hype, and how many players want a decent MMORPG. Problem with MMORPGs, everyone making "FAST" Leveling. That a problem. MMORPG should be a marathon not a Speed Race. People trying to grind in 24 hours to max level, should be penalized. Go Play MMO. MMORPG should have No Respect for anyone's time. End game grinding should be like 1 week per level. Heck last 10 levels should be like 1 month per level. Dungeons should be Challenges, with unique loot/rewards/cosmetics. No "HARD" Versions of same Dungeons. Dungeons themselves have no limit how many can go inside, but boss rooms, limited to how many players can fight it. On top of it, dungeons can be flagged randomly for PVP. Which result in higher chancer for higher quality loot drop. Their also should be hidden, and secret dungeons. or dens and lairs.... that are mini dungeons, with randomized layout, with 1 week cool downs. (Go back to it, different layout/different bosses) Loot, needs to have a range. Like how good piece of drop can be have different tiers of it in itself. Focus should be not on PVP. Focus should be on ENDLESS End Game. Meaning Always something new to explore, strive for. No Dailies, No End Game Dungeons (But Challenges). Hidden Loot, Hidden Unique Materials, and ways to upgrade your gear. Make the game focus on Treasure Hunting, and be able to display it in your home/outside of it. Cant have multiple accounts, 1 home per account. Classless system. You find random portal that will take you into a dungeon in the wild. You should have NO IDEA what it is inside. All you can tell is level of difficulty base on color of the portal. MMORPG should be made like.... Endless World. With Danger. Night Comes.... Stuff of nightmare come out, so better be near safe place. Unique Loot/Skill Books/Abilities hidden in the world. You die, you drop something in your inventory. Get penalty to stats, and need to clear it by killing monsters. Areas of the world, become randomly PVP zones every 2 hours, except towns. You can drop gear when fighting in does zones, but only 1 piece of gear per death, but you can use treasures(High Quality/High Value items, like a goblet, or piece of jewerly, or magical gems etc) you find in dungeons/world to use instead as death items, that drop instead of your gear. 1 World, for all players. Different sections of world, separated by different servers.

[@ElmerYee-wh7bp]

That's a good take

[@LordsOfSkulls]

@@ElmerYee-wh7bp Been Playing Throne, they do well in certain regards. Milestone of server is very fun aspect. gets community invovled to unlock the next dungeons/bosses for the community. PVP at dungeons at night. Open World Dungeons a lot of them. Were people gathering and farming a lot. So i think their is a lot of cool things TL has done. Only issue is that open PVP bosses, is just zerg controlled. No skill in it. I think their should be certain limitations. Such as being able to select your allies guilds with tab targetting and damage your own allies. It shouldnt make them 100% immune to everything your allies does. Right now big tactic that is used. One guild kills boss, the other Roams the circle around boss and kills everyone enter inside.

[@Dchealz]

So basically with my 9-5 i need to play 3 hours a day to not catch up to a person swiping 100$ a month?

[@smakies5331]

If you only play 8 hour a week you don't need to "catch up". There is so many things to do that don't involve pvp .

[@Dchealz]

@@smakies5331 Not gonna argue you if you wanna be plankton for the whales to eat but paying for power in any aspect for a RPG is just Genshin impact with extra steps I'm sorry. The game is a 5/10 anyway so who cares right. GGS everyone hope you all enjoy life make HUGE amounts of MONEY and get BIG BOOTY FEMALE DOGS

[@TheALEXiSounds]

@@Dchealz Stop playing mmorpgs then. Literally every single mmorpg in the market is P2W. You can buy gold in WoW directly from Blizzard and buy all the gear you want. You can buy gold in Runescape directly from Jagex. What's your point?

[@Dchealz]

@@TheALEXiSounds You sound like you like being taken advantage of but, it's your life not mine so if you like being used and abused mo power to you my guy. Keep on diddy boppin out there. To answer your question also, i don't play mmos right now i played new world till you could buy gold so i stand 10 toes on what i say. btw i was top 5 pvpers in that game in the US.

[@iEtthy]

Thats what people say about bdo, grind a couple hours a week and you can progress…I can only grind about 5 hours a week. Which means 5-6 billion a week. Which means it will only take a solid 50 weeks of grinding to get my pen debo. Assuming i dont take a break, go on holiday or have other things to do.

[@ElmerYee-wh7bp]

I'm working on a ship with 9 months contract or more but I do still progress in BDO I'm not at the best gear but at the very least I'm at the hard cap and can fight end game players. So what you said is invalid or you just don't know how to play the game.

[@Byebyemeow]

Getting bored of BDO, stopped logging in. Me and some buddies are moving to TL. See ya there

[@cyborg7162]

The game has potential (minus the combats and camera imo) if they manage it well they can hold a decent playerbase but if they manage it like lost ark.. well

[@ModeKaioken]

I am hype af for this game. I thought it was sept11 launch on steam for free version but I guess that is oct now. I might even jump into this day 1 of the free launch just because I been craving something new now that war within is winding down.

[@jaymerka5875]

Probably not... I know people really wants it to or think it will. But I don't think it will. If it does or does not matters none to me though LOL

[@PeladoPalta]

They are adding lifeskill (already added fishing and cooking), just let him cook. We are comparing a new born mmo with others with 8 years

[@MrFabiogarcia]

Really trying to go in with a clear mind and give it a chance, it's unlikely they'll be aggressive in monetization right away, that would be stupid, right? right? My biggest concern at the beginning is the bots. And if it's going to be a game to play for the long term or a hobby until the release of PoE2

[@Radiomate]

I played on KR for a bit and quite liked the game. Probably will play it when it releases.

[@glorymmo]

finally someone who actually understands that BDO combat is a blessing and a curse.

[@seanblack5085]

I'm glad to hear they cut some of the pay to win that's awesome. I'm hype for TNL.

[@zenwilds2911]

I'm waiting to hear more news on HOUSING.

[@Arkuza55]

Throne of liberty is gonna be like lost ark. Korean MMORPG always comes with the Big Bang then die off after a couple years.

[@daniellesweeney4863]

I tried it in Korea , it wasn’t my cup of tea. My personal feelings if you like large scale PvP , with some instances, you will probably have fun with it. I more so enjoy PvE and Professions with dabbling into PvP on side. So it just doesn’t appeal to me , it lacks in PvE content outside of a few dungeons. BDO has a few dungeons, boss blitz, group raids coming tonight , whatever that fortress is coming, good combat at some point a new world coming, AOS , Guild League , RBF and some open world stuff for me to dabble as well as small scale & large scale that I personally don’t do much but have jumped into node wars at times for some fun i(they do need improvement on new node war system but it’s not horrible it can be fun still ) with a side of WoW to get some PvE fixes I can’t in Black Desert. Like mount & Cosmetic hunting, race unlocks etc… So I think I’m good sticking with BDO as my main with WoW alongside it for a few PvE aspects I can’t get in blackdesert.

[@AlvenDFord]

I didn't find anything ptw in ffxiv tho except exp potion, u can be richest person in the game and still cant clear any high difficulty content, u gotta learn ur roles get better at the job class , the core mechanics etc Its more of a subscription based game since u need to buy subscription monthly but that's that. There is nothing in there that can put u on top except one being a better player

[@30kGames]

Amazon cant be buillied? Clearly you haen't played Lost Ark

[@amazingcabbage39]

Im from NA and mmorpgs have always been my favorite genre and I’ve sweat in every mmo i’ve played. I think theres a misconception as to what the pay to win is in this game. As far as im concerned NA doesn’t like pay to win that has better gear/classes locked behind pay walls. Throne, you can grind to get everything. You can only pay to advance quicker. It’s not the same.

[@paintspot1509]

@@amazingcabbage39 if I could pay to progress faster in a game of dota, would that mean it isn't p2w?

[@anon3118]

I doubt T&L will be popular in US/NA

[@FynPrint]

Doesn't the BattlePass increase your daily limit for how many dungeons you can run? How is that not gating progression?

[@imPansy]

Previously they forced us to buy the battle pass with irl $. Now they changed it to cash shop currency. This is a big change because anyone can earn that currency by selling items on the auction house.

[@Cjbreezey]

Ima mess around with the game. i definitely won't put money into it, and I won't probably play it long term because gvg based games always die or lose the majority of their population. The casual player, the majority of them, don't want to come home to get ran over by a guild because they want to do an event and even the guilds that want to compete eventually players will get tired of losing and start to drop off and eventually the guild dies

[@skympii6734]

i tried the game when they opened the korea server for everyone is SEA, the game is great nice graphics lots of QOL but the combat isnt for me i think its because i played too much BDO and WoW, yes they have a classic mode for combat but it felt different unlike the WoW tab targeting, but yeah game is a must try

[@christophershepherd4309]

I’m going to give it a try the game looks amazing but can’t judge till I play it but I am excited to

[@lupina29]

Ok lets be honest here. The gameplay of tl is a combination of lostark and new world.

[@imPansy]

Honestly both of those felt a lot more fluid. TnL improved a lot since KR release though, hope they continue to do so

[@lupina29]

@@imPansy Soon it will be swarmed by bots due to tap targetting.

[@imPansy]

What do you mean soon? Theyre already here 😅

[@lupina29]

@@imPansy lol. I'll stick to my BDO.

[@Kaelius35]

Really good video I enjoyed the disscussions well researched.

[@MaciejLeś-u7w]

there is lifeskilling currently fishing cooking and amitoi expeditions

[@imPansy]

I think there’s no depth though, just side activities

[@royceb4814]

Name one free to play mmo that dropped in the last 5-6 years that died on console

[@obimaul1]

I only have enough time to play an mmo very casually and it's not a big deal how fast I level.

[@dw8163]

Why does your right arm look jacked but the left one looks like you skipped leg day?

[@imPansy]

Because my right arm is closer to the camera

[@royceb4814]

@@imPansygood answer

[@dyderikm5819]

To me it seems more pay for speed, not pay to win, there isn't much of an issue there at least for a person like myself that can spend 10 hours a day playing a game if wanted. I understand the frustrations for those that only have 3-4 hour here and there, while also not being able to swipe. That doesn't mean the game is bad tho, that just means those people should avoid small group pvp and find a guild that will accept them and help them. The game isn't pay to win, it's play to win. But I digress, this all just the opinion of some rando. (me)

[@paintspot1509]

@dyderikm5819 do you apply this logic to a game of dota? If I progress faster it doesn't matter since we both have access to the same shop items?

[@alexb9566]

I've preordered and I am looking forward to playing it. But it will 100% flop if they keep the p2w elements. They improved it somewhat, but it's still to much for a western audience. It's very strange that they dont understand this.

[@imPansy]

What would you think is a good example of a successful MMORPG with no P2W? I count RMT'ing services as p2w a

[@alphasierrabravo5905]

Guild Wars 2 ​@@imPansy

[@paintspot1509]

@@imPansy why would you count RMT as p2w?...

[@l3iowormlive862]

Im exited for early access

[@siioHD]

Its a self-fulfilling prophecy with mmo players. Shit on, meme, make biased videos slandering mmos and its devs to death before it even launches, and we are surprised why so many games never take off in the genre we say we love?

[@imPansy]

@@siioHD I thought I sounded pretty positive about throne this video, did you watch?

[@siioHD]

@@imPansy It wasn't about you. Im saying its something ive noticed over the years playing MMOs.

[@katsuenyagaming]

I don't consider BDO combat being best for mmorpg. I would rate TERA's and GW2's combat way better than BDO. However BDO combat has great animation flow which makes combat feels smooth and satisfying to play. Like look at every class launch. How many updates they do with patch notes clearly stating "improving the flow of x and y skills linking to z skill. This is why I think players confuse great combat with great combat flow. Anyway, you said really well Pansy. These days people don't even try game which they make like just because "ah it doesnt have BDO combat". As someone who played all type of combat, mouse targeting, tab target, hybrid, action, full action combat... TL's combat is close to perfection for MMORPG which has large scale events. And btw, NCSoft finally added option to remove that mouse camera movement smoothing effect which makes camera feel like you playing on console. Thanks to it the feeling of combat now is even better if you play with action camera mode.

[@alexb9566]

TERA is the only mmo I've truly enjoyed playing the healers. Easily the best combat system to date imo.

[@breckharrison]

Is there any PVE or is it all PVP based gameplay?

[@ColdNapalm42]

Yes.

[@snooze0023]

The issue for me is the game play is still using this old tab targeting clunky wack a mole system. AND even the graphics are old and dated. Not to mention all the overly complicated systems too many currencies, Its like playing a spread sheet. Nup i cant invest my time and on top of all that knowing that whales are going to be rampant. Lastly the story. You just know its going to SUCK

[@TheCosmicAstro-]

will it flop? most likely. it already has flopped in the east and all of the hopes people had for it are being shown to not be what they wanted. itll boom for a month or 2 cause its new but its not gonna be the next big thing like people wanted, for a slew of reasons.

[@raginasiangaming910]

MMO players are some of the most ridiculous. From comments, it seems that most just expect developers to donate their time developing an MMO, then not charge a subcriptions (because $15 a month is soooo expensive), not have a cash shop and God forbid dare charge a full Triple A title price. Then the devs will kindly maintain the MMO with loads of new content and updates, but heaven forbid they put in any mechanism for generating revenue. I dont think that most realize how expensive it is to maintain an MMO, let alone employ the development team necessary to create new content. The fact is that a cash shop, like any store, needs to sell items that are desirable and preferably consumable (a level boost) or semi-consumable (a currency). We should all be fine with this so long as everything for sale can also be attained via normal game play and assuming the game doesnt feature something like full loot PvP where your purchase of a boost can completely delete another persons hard work.

[@paintspot1509]

Or just charge a sub for your game, then you don't need to implement fomo tactics and p2w to get an income from your game. The problem is, when you charge a sub the game actually need to be good.

[@Tsukiiyo7]

Besides the shit combat, game is overall pretty good. If they just updated to action combat i'd totally stick around. I did see that they updated a bunch of skills for each weapon, but IMO that doesn't fix the main issue with the combat which is the freedom of movement and clunkiness.

[@BlueXII-12]

Whats wrong with freedom of movement? 95% of skills can be used while moving

[@Tsukiiyo7]

@@BlueXII-12 well I come from BDO, so I recognize that my standard for combat is way above what most other MMOs have, but I’m referring to being able to cancel animations and switch to other skills, cancel animations WITH other skills, dash while simultaneously using a skill, etc… I know they have improved things a bit and I’ll see what it’s like on release, but from my impression in the beta it was very much one at a time for everything. You use 1 skill, and once the animation is done you use another. I never got very far so that could change but like I said just my impression. I just think it’s crazy to spend a decade working on an MMO that releases in 2024 and have tab target. Not to mention they initially tried to release the game with AUTO EVERYTHING. And you couldn’t move while using skills. The decision making is definitely questionable.

[@GrentonCasts]

YOU WILL LIKE SKILL SPECIALIZATIONS YOU WILL LIKE LIFE SKILLING THIS IS NOT PROPAGANDA GOOD VIDEO

[@frazerj5330]

Can feel this game being another yugioh master card I chose you type shii.......(OIL WHALE APPEARS) your master card is no match for my amercian express centurion just 1 taps a guild back to fortnite

[@Kiazhin]

I would like to play this with if possible.

[@itzzzRAMPAGE]

anyone that know bout the game knows its New World 2.0

[@imPansy]

This game is way more polished than New World on release

[@ninehichem5037]

I wish if they add pk in open world Thats all what i like in mmos Iam bdo player, i used to pk on ppl for fun

[@johntaylor9096]

I dont care about pvp long as the pve is good ill give it a shot

[@alphasierrabravo5905]

Just play Guild Wars 2😂

[@Haz3Nation]

As long as its p2w yes it will flop. Devs need to learn by now

[@imPansy]

which successful mmorpg isn't p2w? all of them are

[@Haz3Nation]

@@imPansy sure but look and BNS and Lost Ark… fell off. BDO is too apparently.

[@inkwyvern5171]

"these other mmos suck, so T&L should be allowed to suck too" Naahhhh, I'll pass. It's why the genre's dead. Nobody wants it. An argument from popularity and authority won't change peoples minds on what they want to play.

[@flopa469]

I be try ironman challenge on TL until I be hitting a wall. I have nothing too do in BDO so TL will be nice break.

[@Paolini_18]

1:10 No one hates p2w. They think they do but they don't. Look at Lost Ark, it was as p2w as it could get from day 1 and only started dying because how boring and brain-dead the endgame routine became and players thought they needed 8 characters to ''keep up'' (which is nonsense). Let's not even talk ab WoW.

[@alexb9566]

Lost Ark is not quite dead yet, but it's getting there. Western audiences simply are not interested in p2w games.

[@Paolini_18]

@@alexb9566 did u even read my comment ? If they're not interested why did so many people play for thousands of hours ?

[@paintspot1509]

Now that is an insane take

[@paintspot1509]

​@Paolini_18 so many people didn't play that trash game, they botted it.

[@Paolini_18]

​@@paintspot1509 Anyone who says Lost Ark wasn't a huge success the first few months of release is a clueless clown

[@kubasniak]

Nah bro. It's a korean game that is dying and real bad in Korea... and those type of games don't make it in the west. DOA or if lucky ppl will play for a month or 2 and it will drop 90% players due to dominando problem etc. I played Tibia so I know this concept super well. The toxicity and cliques of big guilds or alliances will make it even worse. Just watch and mark my words.

[@Langz_Noir]

Fun drinking game: Take a drink every time he says swipe.

[@azneric]

yes it is garbanzo.

[@dominiquesmith6745]

Itll be great and live on for years lol korean pop is still good.

[@paintspot1509]

Jesus, if that is what you call good I wouldn't like to see what a bad population is.

[@curlblue7529]

my main concern with it is there’s no pve content. a lot of mmo players like myself just want the ASPECT of an mmo, not constant pvp. still going to try it out tho.

[@imPansy]

there are party dungeons man

[@Ibletrog87]

There’s wow, there’s ffxiv, ESO, plenty of PvP games bud

[@curlblue7529]

@@Ibletrog87 obviously, goofy. i just like the look of this game. i’ve played those & never got into them. you’re dismissed. 😘

[@itsg0ldeson]

Wym there's no PvE content? There's party dungeons, solo raid bosses, open world dungeons, PvE events like the wolf hunt, guild contracts, regular contracts, world bosses and a whole main questline with a bunch of sidequests. And that's just for launch. Please play the game before commenting on it.

[@curlblue7529]

@@itsg0ldeson i mean, dawg, ive been doing so much research & pretty much the consensus is that its guild oriented. hardly soloable. nobody has even said that theres all of this, so calm yourself before commenting.

[@zaymesswtbest4804]

Can’t wait to come out on ps 9/26

[@ClinesmithBB]

Ironman=no p2w

[@ccgcc5614]

FLOP!

[@Burebista61]

Sadly it will be a shit pay2win with crap classes

[@reinhard98]

The pvp players from bdo think that tl has open world pvp 😂😂 can't wait too see them crying and come back to black desert

[@imPansy]

everyone already knows its event based pvp, not open world :P

[@reinhard98]

@@imPansy I know, the game doesn't have even gvg, is just a zerg fest where 3 guilds become a alliance and win all the pvp events

[@Shines-y3b]

@@reinhard98telling us you dont play tl without telling us you dont play tl the fact you think there is only zerg pvp an no gvg is so wrong

[@reinhard98]

@@Shines-y3b you just don't know what gvs are , a alliance of 6 guilds vs another alliance of 6 guilds is not a gvg

[@Shines-y3b]

@@reinhard98 clearly you dont know there is riftstones or boonstones and what they are you which shows you havnt even played the game you should honestly go play lego instead of complaining about something you have only seen in videos

[@E89458]

Pay the win is the new modding for console. Duh?

[@Purrrjury]

Its Pay to Win. Im good.

[@lVladness]

it will not .. i been needing a new MMO on xbox because black desert sucks lol and there's a few things I didn't like about tnl but still better n newer than bdo

[@RTK5357]

I didn't like the combat. If this game had BDO combat it would gave been amazing.

[@terramoon8674]

i tryed the game the combat felt so slow and clunky and not fun - i know they changed sthing not so long ago so i will try again but i dont have much hope for it ^^ *

[@imPansy]

Yeah I hear you. I felt the same way the first time around. Once I got to end game, leveled masteries and got geared it felt a lot better. The stat modifiers made the combat feel more responsive

[@Zulgen123]

refreshing new take instead of farming youtube meta from 8 months ago wow kudos

[@Kirkland_Drip]

Small changes or not after I watched Kanon interview NCSoft directly regarding P2W. They said that those who believe it's P2W are prejudiced towards companies and they said they aren't changing anything. Also AGS did such a terrible job with New World we legitimately believe it's an alpha for some subsequent MMO. Which is absolutely stupid. NW is actually legit dead.

[@Vujkan]

bots will gonna kill the game bcs of F2P,spammers/sellers and also idk how poeple gonna accept p2win again i mean its not that bad,but its p2progress!

[@caintindal1671]

I think it is a typical Asian game that only think one way of making a game it will be busy for the first three or four months then die off. I am a male same as you why would I want a pet that is for a woman or a child.