WINDOWS 10 EoL Reactions: 2025 The Year of Linux?

The end of support for Windows 10 in 2025 has raised some important concerns, including a looming e-waste problem, potential legal issues, as well as the expectation that we will soon see heaps of users switching to Linux.
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 Reactions
1:53 Workarounds
6:06 Migrations to Linux
8:55 Environmental issues
11:45 Potential legal issues
14:23 Windows as a service
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[@alexstone691]

Vast majority of people here cant install windows at all, let alone workarounds

[@act.13.41]

Most of them will go all the way to the end of support and never even be aware of it.

[@alexstone691]

@@act.13.41 true, my father still uses win7 and is aware of it and has enough tech knowhow to install soemthing else but just doesnt bother

[@GeorgeTheOld]

Most people buy a PC and just uses whatever comes with it. That's why Microsoft force upgraded a lot of PCs to W10 back in the day, and is doing it with W11 now.

[@act.13.41]

@@GeorgeTheOld Yes, but will Microsoft bend the knee and allow Windows 11 to upgrade onto unsupported hardware? If not, then your statement is irrelevant. If someone does use workarounds to install Windows 11, will Microsoft continue to update it and allow it to run? They can be quite fickle.

[@anandmahamuni5442]

Atleast Devs or tech savvy who can, should be looking into Linux already

[@Kadgord]

100% agreed, tech savvy people forged that we are a minority, as a technician i can confirm that most people won't even try to find a solution for their pc or if they did and its too long they will go with the fastest solution, which is buy something or pay to someone to fix it.

[@nanashialfarr]

you see a lot of people trying to connect PC componnents on the wrong place haha.

[@em_the_bee]

I like how "uses the file explorer" is now an equivalent of "tech savvy"

[@Sasha-zw9ss]

You're kinda wrong. The fastest solution is not "buy something or pay someone", but rather "keep everything as is and hope the trouble doesn't come".

[@nanashialfarr]

@@Sasha-zw9ss a lot of tech companies do that, there is stuff running on archeological programming languages that nobody learns anymore, servers running very old versions of java.

[@PotatoTheProgrammer]

@@em_the_bee The desktop uses explorer so clearly everyone is tech savvy And the next time a random normal person mentions Linux I will interject and say that what they’re referring to is actually GNU/Linux or GNU plus Linux and make them think that Linux users are part of a cult

[@bingusbongus1656]

As a technician, I've watched people bring in laptops and devices that they attempted the Windows 11 workarounds for, only to have their OS bricked after getting the workarounds completely undone by the first round of system updates.

[@GameplayzOfficial]

@dreaper5813 If that person bricked their OS, imagine that person following a guide messing with the kernel, they can brick hardware. I'm not one to preach Linux to everyone, knowing full well most can't even grasp Windows.

[@autohmae]

@@GameplayzOfficial "following a guide messing with the kernel, they can brick hardware" Really ? Please provide an example of this, because this is extremely unlikely and not even more likely than with Windows.

[@RayZero404]

Some hardware such as hybrid graphics with nvidia will require you to add kernel boot flags so it's not out of the realms of posibility. Linux is great but it's not ready for your average user.@@autohmae

[@n3tw0rk_n3k0]

@@GameplayzOfficial Mess with the kernel? Wtf the only instance I've "messed" with the kernel is when there's a linux update and it needs to update the initramfs. People brick with that???

[@muellerhans]

@@GameplayzOfficial Oh you mean imagine people getting able to compile their own kernel and getting their system to boot by not selecting options that make it not boot? If they are at that point, why would they brick hardware?

[@raxelgrande]

You know what's the true simplest solution? People will continue to use Windows 10 without updates, just like what happened with XP. Either Microsoft would be forced to do something drastic or the community will start supporting Windows 10 independently (like how it happens with XP getting tailor made community browsers)

[@Blankult]

Yeah most people won't care

[@redpillsatori3020]

MS has been aggressively pushing 11 on me lately every time I boot the Win partition. It's annoying, and I'm sure they will step it up, bu once they do, I will just get rid of Win entirely and just use Arch

[@purplehello98]

@@Blankult They really shouldn't, if you're cautious and have an antivirus it's perfectly fine to use an unsupported OS. My mother still has her old PC with 7 on it and it's never had a virus.

[@Blankult]

@@purplehello98 I wouldn't say you shouldn't care about security updates, as there are many risks that can be dangerous, however, as long as your internet use doesn't involve going into many shady websites, you're cautious of dubious files, have an updated browser and have a decent antivirus like windows defender, you should be perfectly fine for years.

[@bilelsmith6333]

Are you crazy 😧 come one they want you to pay ... Give me your money 🤑💰 polcey

[@sephiroth668]

The main problem I have with Windows 11 is th e fact that Microsoft continues to add more and more advertising built in to the operating system. I paid for a Windows License, I shouldn't be forced ads down my throat in either the start menu or within file explorer. This is one subject you failed to even acknowledge in both videos.

[@Theredblood]

What? I had 11 basically from the week it officialy released, and i never saw any ads anywhere

[@softwarelivre2389]

That's so true. Windows 7 was the last "good Windows" without adware crap. I know that I'll continue using GNU/Linux.

[@dsmyify]

Adding advertising in the file explorer is the reason I'll never update to 11.

[@lukas_ls]

@@Theredblood then you probably don't understand that those are indeed advertisements. Both Windows 10 and 11 are full of ads

[@lukas_ls]

@@softwarelivre2389 Windows 8 didn't really have ads either

[@entelin]

The year of the linux desktop will be the year that software vendors collectively decide to migrate their platforms to it. By and large, users don't pick operating systems, that's dictated by what software they need uses, or just generally what their workplace is willing to support. Directly or indirectly that's a huge amount of the market share. As an example, Linux desktop market share doubled (like 1% to 2%) over the last couple years just because of Valves work on making linux a viable gaming platform. User friendliness on linux was never the problem, most people's computer knowledge is highly procedural, they don't really know much more than how to double click on the icon on their desktop to start the program they need or otherwise a series of steps to do a thing, and those steps are generally taught to them by their it support. So for most people nothing really changes when switching to linux. The linux community has been reinventing the desktop over and over again the last 20 years often thinking that if they make it user friendly enough then people will switch. Meanwhile most casual users (like the "grandma" or kids use case) now use phones and tablets instead. If you have a company that has CnC machines, xray machines, or some line of business app, and those tools run windows, then you are running windows. If not then you're not, it's really that simple. What we need are industry solutions based on linux, that's how Microsoft created, and maintains their monopoly.

[@Venomnik0]

I mean we're really close to that considering a ton of servers and online solutions rely on Linux

[@entelin]

@@Venomnik0 Linux has completely dominated the web hosting space for a long time, it's like 90%. That doesn't translate to success on the desktop though.

[@qunas101]

Users don't pick operating systems by comparing what software they can or cannot use, they just use whatever was installed on their laptop when they bought it

[@Annabelle_UwU]

The year of the Linux desktop will never happen and I don't know why Linux users in particular would want that to happen. In order for something to be adopted by mass users, it needs to be streamlined and standardized which will never happen. Different distros, different desktop environments, different ways to install packages, reliance on the terminal...These gives users the flexibility to really choose what they want but for mainstream users, it is an absolute disaster. There's a reason why Android and ChromeOS has been quite successful and that's because of standardization. Do people really want that for Linux? To lose options and flexibility just to chase the mainstream crowd?

[@Annabelle_UwU]

@@reymarkvaldez8648 if you mean from different companies like Samsung/Huawei/Xiaomi, they are mostly just skins on top of Android but fundamentally, the way you use them is the same, the way you install apps are the same.

[@Serious_MOod]

I think that most people will not leave Windows 10 even when support ends. Even if they start to leave, it will be because the developers of their favorite programs will stop supporting Windows 10.

[@Queldonus]

This. I see this all the time. So many users need a computer for a web browser and a few specific things, and as long as it does that, nothing else matters.

[@LugiDergX]

@@Queldonus Well yeah! And there's nothing really wrong with that.

[@arahman56]

@@LugiDergX Other than those people being vulnerable to any unfixed exploits.

[@LugiDergX]

@@arahman56 That is true, though personally that won't bother me. Microsoft keeps changing things up too much for me to bother with them for several more years. I might just wait for Windows 12 before doing an upgrade myself.

[@ranchocommodorereef]

That's like what happened with Windows XP and Windows 7. When Windows XP support ended in 2014, major web browsers continued to support it for a couple of years. For instance, Google Chrome and Opera supported Windows XP until 2016 while Mozilla Firefox supported Windows XP until 2018. Meanwhile, Windows 7 support ended in 2020 and its Extended Security Updates (ESU) ended in January 2023, which caused Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, and Opera to end support for Windows 7 in early 2023 while Mozilla Firefox still supports Windows 7.

[@act.13.41]

Yes, one can run hacks to get around the hardware checks and force WIndows 11 to install on older, unsupported hardware. It doesn't make Windows 11 suck any less. 🤣

[@feisaljauharitufail]

Agree. It's very unfortunate.

[@KeithBoehler]

Some of these guys will say that linux is too hard and cite some terminal use, then recommend a registry hack.

[@miket.220]

I switched recently to Linux Mint from W10. Mostly because I had to strip out a bunch of telemetry from W10 and when I heard W11 has even more....no, no way am I dealing with that.

[@mariozenarju6461]

"I don't want to hack Linux to work, so I'll hack Windows to work!"

[@darkiceywolf2953]

It's true. However, the stability might go out the window. Keep in mind it's might be slower as well.

[@AtomicShrimp]

I've had those weird toxic tech comments before on some of my videos. Arguing in one case that instead of learning to recognise malware and other security threats, end users should just learn everything that the folks in IT already know and should be doing things like spinning up local VMs to test stuff. Its weird. Stealth bragging maybe? Besides, the workarounds for windows 11 upgrade simply don't always work. I've got a machine that is just below the win11 upgrade spec, and only on the CPU (MS drew a line through the ryzen 5 range - my machine is literally the first one below the line). Win11 won't install. None of the workarounds helped. I wiped it and installed Linux in the end.

[@ob3ythee.t.128]

Nice seeing you here mr atomic shrimp. Great channel!

[@fulconandroadcone9488]

Unsupported means unsupported. Same crap with apple, I ask a friend with iPhone what happens when apple stops support? Well what you have you have, if you remove an app or there is a breaking change and you need a new update, good luck, you have to get a new phone. To this day you can download latest version of anything on almost any phone ( I remember there being some requirements for android 4.4 and above and that was an app requirement, not something set by google.

[@softwarelivre2389]

@@fulconandroadcone9488 phones are projected to become garbage in 5 years or less tho, we expect a larger lifespan out of our computers

[@entelin]

@@softwarelivre2389 5 years is a normal natural life for a pc. 7 years is pushing it. 10 is insanity. I've been through the cycle many times, that's what I tell clients to expect. 5 for a pc, 7 for a server.

[@softwarelivre2389]

@@entelin My PC is 9 years old and works really well.

[@user-tc9tb3a]

The part about environment is a great addition. The problem should be even worse in schools and other educational units. I don't think most of them will try to install Windows 11 on that ancient hardware. But it's also important to remember that supporting 2 OSes is much harder than supporting only 1 OS. Anyway, Microsoft's policy about Windows is getting worse in my opinion. BTW I use Linux

[@bobreiber2066]

There are many people who simply cannot afford to upgrade a computer that ,for them ,works perfectly. Perhaps there will be a version of Windows 11 that doesn't require a hardware upgrade.

[@softwarelivre2389]

@@bobreiber2066 I know it's not realistic, but all those complaining they cannot use Win11 due to hardware should just stop b*tch*ng and just switch to any modern GNU/Linux distro.

[@Gabifuertes]

In some schools we still use windows xp. Honestly, if they're really interested in newer versions of windows, newer hardware is needed.

[@user-tc9tb3a]

@@Gabifuertes Machines with Windows XP are a completely different kind of PCs. XP does not support new programs so their educational capabilities are limited

[@bot-everywhere]

@@softwarelivre2389 normies don't even know what bios is let along installing linux,they don't even know what is a os and just use whatever come with the device. My mum don't even update her phone which is BAD for security reasons

[@54fallout]

"windows 11 isnt that bad , you just have to follow 20000 steps to remove all the garbage and hope it doesnt break"

[@johanb.7869]

@dreaper5813 Let them, they don't know what they miss😉

[@D0N0H0]

My first PC came with Win 3.1. For a time, I was a certified Microsoft Technical Trainer (for System Administration, Visual Basic & SQL Server Administration). At the end of support for 7 (the last OS I was relatively happy with), I moved to 8.1, and that will be the last for the foreseeable future. I still use later versions of the desktop and server OSs in work environments, but otherwise I'm just done. It's difficult to grasp the strength of a monopoly, until you try to step beyond it.

[@ranchocommodorereef]

Are you going to move onto Linux?

[@sweetbabyalaska]

This was a good piece. As a bit of an anecdote: I was completely the average PC user 1 year ago, I didnt know what a "path" or a "file path" was, I used my PC to browse the internet and play a few games and nothing more. I was also getting sick of the telemetry and spying. Then I found an open source project for a reverse engineered game server and was introduced to basic things, then basic programming and finally Linux. I ended up quickly becoming enthralled by the culture and the magic of what these guys were making possible (for free no less) and I ended up emulating them and switched to Endeavor OS Linux and have been learning about the system and programming since. I couldn't go back if I tried and I was surprised at how functional everything was, games and all of that stuff runs perfectly. I'm hopeful that more people will also find their way on a similar path, its been quite freeing stepping away from Windows, walled gardens and telemetry. Plus there is literally nothing cooler than Hyprland lol

[@deepspacecow2644]

Yo, endeavoros gang represent

[@sweetbabyalaska]

@@deepspacecow2644 ayyy what's good? It seems like every EoS user I run into is super chill

[@deepspacecow2644]

@@sweetbabyalaska I bought a latitude 7490. At first wanted a t480, went with this instead. I tried holoiso, it broke. I tried arch, I couldn't get it to boot. I still had a decent amount of new command knowledge from trying to install arch and wanted to try an arch based distro. Gave Endeavor a try, loving it. It has some weird quirks, it froze at one point and the caps lock flashed. Double tapping the track pad doesn't count as a click. But I am loving the budgie de. When my parents let me have my pc back (went from straight a to failing a class 🙃) I think it will be my new primary OS. I hope to have a long fufilling career as a sysadmin, (have to finish high school and college first though). Probably oversharing, but there are no linux nerds I know besides my cousins who I don't see very often, and a senior who graduated this year.

[@johanb.7869]

Only problem is that when you use the latest hardware it doesn't always work with Linux because of the kernel. That's why it's constantly updated to work on the latest hardware. Not a problem for me because I use refurbished Dell Optiplex minis.

[@tanawatjukmongkol2178]

Ayy yo. Hyprland on Arch Linux gang here.

[@TheRosswise]

So glad I switched to Linux full time in early 2016 when it first came out how much data MS was harvesting with Windows 10. MS never gives up any ground, they just squeeze tighter and tighter with every new OS release.

[@JSTheAnonymousOne]

Honestly, Windows 7 was the last good version of Windows in my view. It's a shame that they decided to go this route

[@JSTheAnonymousOne]

@D Reaper I'd recommend people at least give it a shot, you can always run it off a flash drive to try it out. If you're worried about game compatibility, I've had good luck with Steam games with reasonable anti-cheat and no DRM

[@GugureSux]

Spot on. I actually used Windows 7 from 2011 to early 2023. A Linux will be my next OS, but the community and distros need to cook up a bit longer to fit my tastes and needs.

[@Jordan75577]

I've tried Linux I've even tried chrome os flex but I have display issues with both with theses white dots on the screen but windows is fine no dots anyone know how to fix the dots

[@TheRosswise]

@@Jordan75577 Probably a driver issue.

[@AJ-po6up]

There has been some recent news in the last weeks that an update in Windows 11 made systems running Win11 in unsupported hardware unable to boot, and it actually made the userbase of Windows 11 drop significantly, I'm mentioning this because it shows that if you're forcing Win11 to run on unsupported hardware you might end up with an unbootable or unstable system at any moment, is not a good choice in my opinion, even Microsoft said that they will not deliver updates on these systems as they KNOW who's running Win11 on unsupported hardware or with TPM off. The point is that "hacking" Win11 to run on anything is not a viable alternative to Windows 10, you're better off with a Linux distro or just buying new hardware that is supported if you really must use Windows.

[@WilliamShinal]

The custom 11 minimal build I'm on (for gaming) can pause updates until 2077, so thanks for the heads up! I use Debian for everything else. I'm just waiting for stubborn game companies to utterly capitulate on their Windows-only stance before going full time Linux.

[@WilliamShinal]

@MichaelDustter I would, if they did something boycott-worthy (cough Activision cough). I mean, sure, the threat of being banned on Destiny 2 with Proton is frustrating, but it's comparatively petty to drop it just because of that.

[@1DwtEaUn]

@@WilliamShinal I really wish there would be more of a push on getting ReactOS up to snuff

[@autohmae]

@@1DwtEaUn WINE on Linux has more chance of success than ReactOS (both share a lot of code by the way).

[@typicaloofers]

@@WilliamShinalWith the new release of Steam Proton, it looks like you'll be able to run Debian for games, too.

[@enricofermi3471]

The move from W7 to W10 was already a very negative experience for me. I am extremely likely to move to Linux and have already tried a few dustros on virtual machine. It's good enough.

[@flippystudios7933]

Linux can be a bit jank but if you take the time to learn it it will treat you right, hope you have a good experience.

[@miket.220]

Yep. Linux Mint, PopOS, even Ubuntu are all pretty easy, seamless choices.

[@nanashialfarr]

I feel you, I too, moved from 7 to 10 kinda because I needed to, but I dont like linux, but if junksoft keeps making these mistakes I may consider moving to linux.

[@bruhsoulz3347]

doo it doo it doo it

[@waltz9230]

@@nanashialfarrMay I ask why you don’t like Linux?

[@Big-Chungus21]

I think having copies of linux distros out in shops like there was in the past with Debian could be important for helping people make the switch. Then you could just plug in the USB stick and install it. Someone who isnt tech savy might not know how to install an ISO or be scared of breaking their computer, and many simply wont know what Linux is to begin with, or even bother to look for alternatives.

[@kyokazuto]

True, at least there are some pcs and laptops you can order with linux preinstalled already though.

[@joe--cool]

Laptops in Europe without Windows are around $100 cheaper than ones with spyware. Still people buy them. I don't get it.

[@Big-Chungus21]

@@joe--cool Yeah I know. Ive seen some Dell laptops that have really good hardware at a good price because they come with Ubuntu by default. Sadly you really have to look for them even over here.

[@Hardstyl3r17]

@@joe--cool because it works, and hoping to another system can be scary for the people that dont know.

[@greevar]

It was the right choice. Most people are not going to even be aware that there are workarounds, much less knowing where to find the workarounds. For me, 2018 was the year of the Linux desktop. Transitioning to Linux from Windows is not a significant learning curve. The vast majority of activities on Windows have a familiar analog in Linux.

[@johanb.7869]

But won't those workaround eventually stop working because of the Microsoft updates that know if you use workarounds?🤔

[@markm0000]

@@johanb.7869 M$ stopped updating drivers now for w11 machines without tpm. It's no longer a issue.

[@asifshamsi5630]

You are right that most people will continue to use Windows 10 after EOL. And it is also a fact that a vast majority of computer user even don't know how to install Windows. So, installing Windows 11 with work arounds or installing a Linux distro is out of questions for them.

[@not_kode_kun]

they could just learn

[@punkofthedeath]

@@not_kode_kun some of them don't have a time to learn

[@lordcommandernox9197]

If the entire Steam library ran on linux 100% I would have NO reason to use Windows.

[@user-tc9tb3a]

There is a thing called Dual-boot. It allows you to have 2 OSes on 1 computer. You can use Linux for personal things and work, and keep Windows for gaming

[@tomasbarek2852]

I guess it may happen one day, because they keep improving these Proton and Vulkan stuff. So far, the only thing I miss in Linux is the game compatibility and Office (Microsoft 365) suite. As long as these become available there and will work without major issues, I leave Windows for good.

[@lordcommandernox9197]

@@user-tc9tb3a I'm lazy. You make the games cheap, I stop pirating. You make an OS convenient, I'll use it exclusively. And as my message suggested, Gaming is all I care about my PC doing without hiccups or constant troubleshooting, otherwise, I'd get a console. So the day Linux becomes better than windows for gaming is the day I'll make the switch. I know there are hundreds of distros, virtual machines and all that but I don't care. I wanna boot up the pc I built, in under 5 secs, and play any titles I desire within a minute of pressing the on button. I am that end user. Steam OS is not there quite yet, but there's hope. Why would I complicate things for me, installing superfluous stuff? My point is I don't need Linux... fix that for me, make me need it.

[@user-tc9tb3a]

@@lordcommandernox9197 If you don't use the computer for storing personal, secret and/or confidential information, for using services like e-government and banking, Windows shouldn't be such a huge issue. I suggested Dual-boot because, as I know, Windows is a privacy nightmare and using it to work with confidential information may not be a very good decision

[@lordcommandernox9197]

@@user-tc9tb3a And that's the reason why I would love to see a Linux distro that made me not need to have Microsoft shovelware installed on my immaculate silicone, but alas, it all boils down to marketing and convenience. I know Linux is very capable but game developers don't put the effort in because there simple isn't enough users Yet*

[@StevenOBrien]

Switched to Linux this week. I'm amazed at how well WINE works now.

[@jimmyneutron129]

yeah well depends on what

[@stanzacosmi]

its' crazy how the steam version of wine called proton works with MMOs too,m like phantasy star online 2

[@colinp2528]

Wine? No-no-no! You won't be totally free. Embrace true freedom with open source and let Bill and his cronies get funding for the next disaster from someone else.😉

[@triliner254]

​@@jimmyneutron129 True. It works well on many things now, but still won't work with anything that has kernel anticheat, or like in my case, I found out it still won't work with Roblox. (There are workarounds, but super finicky).

[@ZerqTM]

the EU should step in and force microsoft to support older hardware the whole point of usb-c rules was to avoid e-waste.... so the EU likely would not be amused especially government that have to replace old hardware too...

[@1pcfred]

No one cares about you foreigners. You have no jurisdiction here. Pay your NATO dues already ya bums.

[@ShadowriverUB]

That would be controversial too much, if anything keep support for older system longer

[@flyq7470]

I sure hope they do! The EU is really the only body with enough teeth and the will to use them that can get tech companies to do anything.

[@TheLvkrijger]

The EU wants control over you, so windows 10 has to stop.

[@JSTheAnonymousOne]

The data collection on Windows 10 plus other issues such as the forced Microsoft account, forced updates+upgrades, junkware pre-added, and lack of real control unless you had Enterprise is the reason I almost exclusively use Linux now. I felt uncomfortable on 10 and 11 is even sketchier, so there's no possible way I'm going to use it as a daily driver, considering they doubled down on the bad stuff. I've been running Linux for a while, but I have never spent that much time out of Windows until a while after 10 hit. I hope their bad decisions come back to bite them... they're clearly taking advantage of their users

[@mihir.mishra]

My job is to install Linux on everyone's PC which can't handle windows high resource usage torture.

[@syscruncher]

I was curious, but not serious about Linux until I learned more and more about windows 11…once my Win10 install started incessantly nagging me to upgrade to 11, I flipped to Linux. Started on Ubuntu for about six months before hopping to Arch and the whole process has reinvigorated my love of computing.

[@_icey]

I guess you can say "I love arch, btw."

[@syscruncher]

@@_icey I know the reputation Arch users get, so most of the time I play it “don’t ask, don’t tell” with distros. 😂

[@johanb.7869]

I left Windows in 2017 and have never ever used it again. Started with Peppermint and currently using KDE Neon.

[@hinrobalas860]

​@@_icey Hello, sir. I understand that this may be slightly off-topic, but I would like to kindly inform you that I am currently using Arch, BTW. I appreciate your time and consideration.

[@hinrobalas860]

@@johanb.7869 Hello, sir. I understand that this may be slightly off-topic, but I would like to kindly inform you that I am currently using Arch, BTW. I appreciate your time and consideration.

[@HadToChangeMyName_YoutubeSucks]

The worst that could happen is that government steps in to "save" us. There is nothing no matter how bad that government cannot make far worse at magnificent cost.

[@64bitmodels66]

Government got Apple to use USB-C in their new iphones. I think they could make it work

[@edwardecl]

The most stupid thing MS did was make a requirement of a TPM to install Windows 11.

[@Pasi123]

And require Intel Core 8th gen or AMD Ryzen 2000 CPU. Though apparently the CPU isn't checked on fresh install but it might not receive Windows feature updates (like going from 21H2 to 22H2)

[@pinstripecool34]

Yea I had to do a complete clean install when I upgraded to win 11 on my gaming rig because of that.

[@punkofthedeath]

actually TPM is already required to pre-install Windows 10 on pre-built PCs & Laptop but the problem is Windows 11 only support newer CPUs

[@cosmicusstardust3300]

A lot of people said they move to Linux when Windows 7 is EOL, most of them still ended up upgrading to Windows 10 anyway. I predict the same thing will happen again. lol

[@mechanicalruby]

This is a little different, I feel as if W11 is more transparently weird. It's basically just Windows 10 again but with a few extra restrictions, more blatant advertisements sprinkled in, and a system theme applied. But yeah, I do believe that a lot of people who claim they're switching to Linux will not. They just won't sacrifice convenience for their beliefs, security, or privacy.

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

Most of them had a free upgrade path to 8 and then 10. I did. That path wasn't available to me for 11 though, so I upgraded to Linux instead earlier this year to see if it'd work for me (and it does).

[@omegaman7377]

Honestly, it is smarter to have 2 computers. One for the gaming and one for the rest. Gaming in the summer with the new computers is insane. Unless you want to live in a sauna. I keep window for the gaming machine. And i put Linux for the others.

[@VektrumSimulacrum]

If they didn't put arbitrary hardware restrictions to running windows 11 my current windows machine would be upgraded to it. I have two choices...transition to Linux or never connect it to the internet after ELO. There are also lots of people that just don't have the disposable income to get a whole new rig just for win 11. I have 3 older second hand laptops that where bought for $300. A few ebay ram upgrades and a linux install and they're far more useful than they ever where on windows. These would have been e-waste otherwise. Getting them to run windows 11 would not have been worth the time and gamble with attempts at work arounds.

[@sayan1122]

Finally someone who speaks facts instead of just 'hoping for the best'. I've switched to Linux years ago, but I'm concerned about Microsoft just ending support for Windows 10 even as Windows 11 has stupid mandatory TPM requirements and still not quite there yet. Also, you're right in saying that most people will just keep using Windows 10. There are computers in my college that still run Windows 7. If it hasn't been hacked yet, why bother? That's the typical mentality these non tech-savvy people have. I hope Microsoft allows users to install Windows 11 on their unsupported computers without any workarounds, or at least deliver security patches to Windows 10 even after the EOL date.

[@chmtech]

Wow, thank you so much, Sayan. Great insights!

[@budgetarms]

I can only agree with you here, except about the adding unsupported computers to windows 11, having 10+ year old hardware is a bit ... old.

[@omegaman7377]

@@budgetarms 10+ year old computer are good enough for text edition and spreadsheet. Unless they break government have no need to new computer.

[@thelakeman2538]

​@@budgetarms we are no longer in that era where existing tech gets super outdated within like 4 years to the point that you can no longer do basic tasks expected of you with it like in the 90s, a decent desktop/laptop built in 2013 can perfectly do web browsing, emails and run word/spreadsheet application which basically covers most of what the average does with their computer, like at best you might need to add more ram and install a ssd, but the cpu itself would be perfectly fine doing those tasks. All the CPU features like the instruction set required for windows 11 to run are in a 2006 cedar mill pentium 4 CPU the only thing preventing someone from doing so is MS's arbitrary requirements.

[@budgetarms]

@@omegaman7377 Todays jobs where you use computers need to be able to do much more than that. But that is of course job specific. If you dont need/want to run any CAD programs or play games, then yes, a computer from 20+ years ago will be able to do the job.

[@adambrzecki]

The e-waste problem is much more painful when it comes to mobile market. Android devices get just a few security updates (or never get it in some cases). Other Android devices are slowing down by time because of heavier and heavier apps. iPhone after 5-6 years of support could work just perfectlly fine, but without support, less and less apps are available, and in the end iPhone become useless. That's depressing and it shows that only money matters. People's hard work and the environment seem to be worthless 😥

[@mathsrodrigues667]

Apple got a recycle program (search for Apple Daisy), does Samsung or Google have anything comparable ? Obsolescence it’s a part of technology but all of those companies should do better in the recycling aspect

[@tedzards509]

I am so thankful for projects like LineageOS existing. Recently bought a capable (SD 845) smartphone for 100€ that ran out of security updates 2 years ago, only to install LineageOS on it. Also I can't wait for linux on Smartphones. It was a very unstable experience for me, but I was surprised about how well plasma mobile was polished. I hope that Qualcomm some day upstreams drivers for their mobile CPUs.

[@miket.220]

If the average user gets pissed at MS, they will more likely switch to a new MacBook before they switch to Linux. I already made the jump to Linux Mint, which I highly recommend, but I'm a techie so that wasn't an issue. Lots of people have iphones and iPads, so Linux is going to be a no-go for them.

[@softwarelivre2389]

That doesn't make sense. You can't install MacOS on regular Windows PCs, unless you're considering hackintosh. And few people are buying new computers just because MS bad. And if someone thinks MS bad, then they know Apple worse. Thus their only options are GNU/Linux and BSD.

[@miket.220]

@@softwarelivre2389 You aren't thinking like an average consumer. Most people use the OS that came with their PC. After a few years they will prob just buy another if the OS starts saying "not supported". Techies like us are the ones installing new OSs and such.

[@miket.220]

@FriendlyBoi My comments were more for the US, but sure. I'd think Linux would be the way where you live.

[@thelakeman2538]

KDE connect works with iOS too so the level of integration between linux and iOS is about the same as that between linux desktop and android I'd say despite android being linux. Ofc Apple's walled garden will push more people with the means to just buy Macs.

[@jimmyneutron129]

@@softwarelivre2389 there are people who think their hardware can only run Windows and you have either PCs with Windows or Macs with MacOS

[@atulhostdotcom]

Your statement about environmental issue is 100% right, some of my friends who are still on Windows 10 often get notification on their workstations that Windows 11 is available for their system, upon checking it says hardware doesn’t meet minimum requirement. So we are forced to upgrade our expensive hardware in the age where we are already facing high demand and low supply issues.

[@holyhelga]

Personally I don’t want to “upgrade “ to win 11

[@IwanJames]

same here.

[@1pcfred]

Big uncaring corporation is uncaring.

[@nxx99]

Everything beyond windows 7 is a downgrade

[@LubosMudrak]

My PC does not meet requirements for Windows 11 so Linux will be my only option since getting a new PC is not ccurrently my priority. And yes, I know I can technically run Windows 11 on unsupported hardware, but having unsupported hardware means that no one will care if some update breaks the OS on my hardware completely.

[@johanb.7869]

If you prefer the Windows look go with KDE.

[@mrtuk4282]

When Windows 10 EOL arrives there will be a glut of PC's ready for Linux !

[@Noriaela]

or those people will move to MacOS because it will do what most people do.

[@psimbyosis8162]

@@Noriaela Macs are awesome but in many contexts are too expensive. Linux is a faster and cheaper transition.

[@1pcfred]

New hardware is back on the menu boys! Least new to us that is.

[@MrBX5]

When the time came I decided to not upgrade to 10 mainly because of the privacy issues (yes, I'm aware the same issues were then later introduced to 7 and 8.1 in the form of an update, but being aware of that too I took the necessary precautions). Added to that I didn't like that the user had no control over the updates which used to be a huge problem over the first few years of Windows 10. "Oh, you got Auto-Updates disabled? Too bad, here's an update while you're afk with unsaved work open." Didn't happen to me, but heard and read countless reports of that. I did notice some other things having used 10 on a computer at work. They would often pull sneaky ones on the users who had their privacy issues mitigated, by resetting those settings after updates without the user being aware. Another thing that I hated was them just adding random unasked for crap with updates and having them turned on by default. The weather thing comes to mind. It pretty much became a habit, after an update, to go through the settings to check if everything was in order and also disable whatever was added that I didn't care for. All of that said, I have no problem with 10's UI (which I can't say the same about 11) and it was also great that it was compatible with almost everything you would throw at it. So now the time has come, I need to upgrade from my current OS and I'm undecided if I should go to 10, despite everything I said before, install some third party software to deal with the privacy issues which by itself can be a security issue and then 2 years later being in the same current situation or change to Linux. The problem with Linux is that I've already done my research and checked if every piece of software that I can't settle for an equivalent is available and unsurprisingly most are not.

[@GeorgeTheOld]

This is a shame. My usage is mostly web browsing and gaming, for the longest time, i couldn't migrate due to the latter. Valve has been doing god's work these last few years, if it wasn't for proton, i don't think i would be able to use Linux either.

[@alexstone691]

I stopped playing games as my gpu died so i just jumped the gun recently and seitched to linux, my experience was great even games worked great which i didnt expect but im not a heavy gamer But some software just isnt available and some things simply suck but compared how much tinkering i had to do on windows to get local account and privacy semi bareable it gets to basically same amount of work and more frustration on windows as i cannot change anythinf but on linux im not forced to use that specific desktop/app/protocol

[@Zandman26]

These types of comments regarding Linux is extremely useless, it states that a person has an issue with Linux and nothing more. It will not tell someone looking for a solution what issues those were and it will not help Linux users or developers to address the possible issues found.

[@MrBX5]

@@Zandman26 my comment was mostly about W10, not Linux. I just mentioned it at the very end because it regarded my dilemma. It wasn't meant to be useful either, but if you care to know, from the top of my head, programs that I would require would be Cubase, various DAW plug-ins and VSTs (unspecific again, but I have a few too many to specify, although I'll point out that many are from JST, PositiveGrid, iZotope and Ugritone), GuitarPro, Photoshop,... I've made a list, but I don't have it available at the moment.

[@notuxnobux]

I had a game running over night while my character did tasks. Windows decided to reboot and install updates during the night because it had decided that I dont use my computer during the night. That was just a game, but imagine if I did work where I ran a 3d render, video render or compiling over night and then the next day you realize that you lost all of your work. How is this acceptable for professionals? I even used windows pro version!

[@FrankyFlint]

The concerns about spyware on Windows is legitimate and understandable. I wish there was a real open-source alternative for phones too, as they collect more data from us than PC's. Yeah, you have Google-free ROM's like Lineage OS, but many important apps like bank apps require Google PLay Store to work, so migration to other OS' on phones isn't as easy as on PC's and I think it's more important on phones than on PC's because, again: phones collect more data from us than PC's: the places we've visited, our phone number, etc.

[@sheldonkupa9120]

Yeah, exactly, phones are a nightmare in this regard, and google worse than MS in this regard.

[@DubbyMoodz]

Graphene OS is the solution, using without any issues banking apps and many other apps that only work with GSF (Google Services Framework) and Google Play services, in a sandbox with limited granular access. The only downside is it works only on Pixel phones, but to me that is a small price to pay for having a completely De-Googled phone that has 5 years of security patches.

[@johanb.7869]

Not only W11, but Edge too. Which is a shame because Edge is a really good browser, but I prefer Firefox anyway.

[@Dumb_Killjoy]

​@@DubbyMoodzGraphine doesn't work on most manufacturers' handsets

[@foxwhite25]

Yes, hardware is not an issue for me, the main problem with Windows 11 is that it sucks. I wouldn't use an OS with a feature like "compress to postcode file", it just shows how little Microsoft cares about Windows 11. I have dual booted a arch linux installation and in-fact watching this video in it right now, I have in general a good time on linux as I already know a lot about OS and how they works, even games run surprisingly smoothly on linux thanks to valve and their protons, I am considering to just switch to linux entirely, when I get the time of setting up a NAS and backup the dates.

[@CleetusGlobin]

I switched to Linux after finding out that Wibdows 10 would reach EoL in just a few years. After many hiccups from my lack of technical knowledge, I finally found a home on Mint. Needless to say, I'm very happy I'm hopping aboard now, rather than after experiencing the hellscape of Windows 11.

[@Butterscotch_96]

I switched to Linux Mint when 11 came out and a year later I got a Mac mini. My first and currently only Mac I've owned and I love it. Now I run macOS on Macs and distro hop with Linux on other devices. My laptop runs Manjaro, Steam Deck runs SteamOS, and Nintendo Switch runs Ubuntu. I looked back at first when switching to Linux as game support wasn't good yet but then Proton came out and I haven't looked back.

[@johanb.7869]

Apple is to expensive for most users.

[@Butterscotch_96]

@@johanb.7869 ok?

[@lmaoidgaf]

Windows should release a Lite Version too for lower end PCs.

[@Pasi123]

A lite version based on LTSC would be nice but sadly will never happen

[@nxx99]

​@@dreaper5813Or FreeBSD

[@rokaalex6235]

God, they all seemed like kids that just watched an LTT video and thought it was some sort of common knowledge to know how to potentially ruin your PC. Linus even says on his video it's not a good solution.

I already changed to Linux Mint, a month ago. Yes, my Windows 10 installation is still there, but didn't touch it since I installed Linux. I'm very happy with this system!

[@LunarShadowAlt]

I consider myself a very technical user, between programming to hosting game servers for myself. in recent years I have began installing Linux on some of my older computers for utility and experimentation now with windows 10 EoL I'm at an impasse. I hate the way Microsoft are handling windows 11 and 12 but also Linux doesn't serve the purposes I'd like to get out of my system. Linux is great. I'm amazed by how smooth my experience has been since learning the ropes but it simply doesn't do what i need it to. and I've considered dual booting just for tasks where Linux doesn't work for me except that I have dual booted 3 machines by now and had a different result each time. (only one of which was favorable for me, and unfortunately it was not my main computer) right now I'm waiting to see how the situation develops to assess my options until I either have a decision or I'm forced to make one I appreciate the way you approach this topic, very informative and well communicated.

[@fishy9447]

I’m just biding my time watching Linux on the background until I think they have become “good enough” OS. It seems to always be improving, but it isn’t there yet for me either. Maybe someday

[@sheldonkupa9120]

If u consider dualbooting, consider virtualising with gpu passthrough if needed. I do this on proxmox and its great!

[@marloelefant7500]

Let's be honest, Windows 10 is the next Windows XP.

[@Valoix]

Even though there will be a small percentage of Windows 10 users who migrate over to Linux, that small percentage will help to grown the Linux community which could potentially insentivise development for native Linux apps and games. Along with the rapid development of Linux, by 2025 it could be completely viable to the average user.

[@Valoix]

@@lindenreaper8683 Funny that you mention Zorin OS! I actually switched off of windows and moved to Zorin as my daily driver a few days ago. Its great to see people enjoying the linux experience as it definitely has come a long way since even just last year. The more people the better!

[@gragogflying-anvil3605]

The Steam Deck already helped with adoption. More users is great I guess.

[@adolfomedina1774]

Love that "this video can be consumed in an audio form" love it.. great video like always

[@cfbmoo1]

I moved to Linux Mint full time when Windows 11 first came out. Just worked out better for me. If you are going to make the switch I recommend two things. Either use a spare hard drive on your main system to test things out on or if you have an older gaming system/PC laying around use that first especially if it's older versions of the hardware you have now. That gives you a basic idea of what you are going to do on the full switch. Also when you do switch, backup your data to an external USB drive. Either way you'll have your data wither you switch to Linux or stick with Windows.

[@TheComputerGuy96]

On an unsupported PC, Windows 11 security updates arrive as normal, but feature updates like version 22H2, 23H2 and so on won't, so you have to do the workaround again (which is more difficult for an upgrade than a clean installation). You have to do it every single year, or you'll lose support faster than Windows 10. Windows 11 version 21H2 loses support in October 2023, 22H2 in October 2024.

[@Gabifuertes]

You can still "workaround" a clean install, though.

[@TheComputerGuy96]

@@Gabifuertes Yes, but again, you have to do it every year for every Windows 11 update, or you'll lose support (security updates).

[@timbo303official9]

Theres a weird workaround where you join insider program and it works like normal. Now by that time i upgraded from a ryzen 5 1600 which should had been supported to a ryzen 7 5800x thats all i needed to upgrade in the first place which was stupid as i met every other requirement 🤬😡😡😡😡

[@TheComputerGuy96]

@@timbo303official9 The insider program means signing up for beta versions of Windows which could be unstable. It also requires a Microsoft account and setting the telemetry to maximum. Not a good solution for most people 😞

[@johanb.7869]

A new workaround to get the current workaround to keep working. No thanks. Not a problem for me though because I stopped using Windows in 2017 and I have never ever used it again. Linux is all I need.

[@Maou_]

I love the fact that this is a listener-friendly video. You just earned a subscriber!

[@subseven7476]

First time hearing "this video canbe consumed in just audio form", really nuce addition, thank you💕💕💕💕

[@KrisRogos]

A lot of people won't do anything; they will just continue to use whatever system came on their device the day they bought it until the day it breaks or is replaced for whatever reason. There are plenty of people who have kept the same computer for 10+ years as really all they do is check their email and do some light word processing, problems we have had more than enough processing power for in the 90s. KZbin, Netflix and other video platforms push playback to 720p or 480p whenever they think users won't notice; those are levels of performance a computer from the 00s can deal with. Even if people do eventually update because they did change their habits, or because eventually browsers and websites will cut support of Win10, they will walk to the nearest shop that sells computers, buy whatever is on sale and hopefully don't end up with 3 extended warranties.

[@KrisRogos]

@lindenreaper8683 I'm glad you worked with someone who cares about customers. But that is something you are only going to get from a small computer or electronics-focused shop. It doesn't scale to big chains, they don't see computers any different to vacuum cleaners or toasters.

[@KrisRogos]

@lindenreaper8683 yeah, but most people don't care. There are plenty of things that would be better about this world if people were more informed about their decisions on a range of topics. I love my manjaro setup, but even amongst the 100+ other tech enthusiasts I worked with, only 5 tried Linux for more than a month as their main os, I'm the only one who did it for over a year (3 years next month!) That's among people who you would think care the most and have the skills, but still a

[@UNSCPILOT]

Switched to Garuda Linux over a year ago, really happy I did, had less and less reason over this time to dig out the old windows 10 install, mostly to convert odd file types like Sketchup's 3D models to Colada files Blender can read

[@WyvernDotRed]

Huh, neat seeing the distro I've fully switched to be mentioned here. I wouldn't recommend new users to use Garuda unless they are willing to learn about technicalities quickly, as stuff like setting up printers requires extra steps. Occasionally issues can arise in updates, which is easy to fix with Snapper and then properly with some research, circling back to the above. The interface is also quite over the top, which I enjoy but would be off-putting to most. As it's useless to complain about something without giving alternatives, for new users; Linux Mint, Kubuntu and Pop!_OS are the better distro's to start with (and stick to too).

[@Sparc343]

Garuda is surely one of the distributions I will be trying (been using Linux forever and a day for servers, but now making the switch for "desktop" too)

[@coachmystogan]

a 4% install base of linux to even 6% would be a stupidly large 'year of linux' tbh, beyond that would be a legendary story.

[@Lem0nIlja]

I usually don't comment, but this time I just have to. Thanks yo so much for your insight into the legal nuances 13:55 - 14:23, this information is so important, I feel. Because a lot of people seem to think that It's just so easy to make companies accountable, especially in difficult cases such as right to repair and antitrust. I liked that you used your own personal experience to give insight into this very important part of this industry. Thank you.

[@CMDRSweeper]

It will not be the year of Linux, what BECAME the year of Linux was the Steam Deck and the massive spike it caused on the hardware survey. But for those of us watching this, what we have to remember is... we are MUTANTS, we are the odd humans that are willing to sit down, understand something, fix it and make it work. While the rest of those that aren't mutants like us are "Awwww, just make the magic box work and do the magic stuff!"

[@johanb.7869]

I could not care less to be honest if it ever will be the year of the Linux desktop😉 Windows and especially the latest is basically spyware. You never own it, Linux you do.

[@little-wytch]

Windows 11 is already losing users and 10 hasn't even croaked yet. Everyone worries about malware and ransomware these days, never realizing that Windows IS the most widely distributed malware/spyware/ransomware out there, full stop. I admit, I have sometimes been guilty of what you said about tech-savvy people, but there is a reason a lot of us are like that. We, or at least I, certainly didn't start out tech-savvy. I was raised on Mac FFS, arguably the most idiot-friendly OS out there lol. But then I got into Windows for gaming, and then Linux for privacy, and then FreeBSD for privacy/stability. We became a society of "Google it" but can't be arsed to spend a little time searching for answers and/or alternatives? What we all need to remember is the concept of "use case" and how that's different for everyone. If you need simple and idiot-proof, get a Mac. Need to be spied on and victimized by bad actors, run Windows. Want choice and customizability so that you can design your own workflow that works best for you, run Linux and/or BSD. Too broke for a real computer, get a Chromebook. It's all about your needs and use case. I don't get why anyone is concerned about what other people run on their computers. It's not your computer. It's not like what they run affects you. And if they are visiting you at your place, and you don't want to risk their Windows idiocy being a gateway to infect any parts of your network, just don't give them the wifi password 😛 If they are savvy enough to carry around an ethernet cable with them to be able to plug into your network, they should be savvy enough to run something better than Windows. I know it sounds like I'm crapping on Windows users, but this is all just my own personal opinions. If you're a non-smoker, or worse allergic to smoke, are you going to let a friend smoke in your house? How is refusing to allow a Windows system access to your network any different? I think I've gone off on a tangent here, so let me wrap up. Let people use whatever they are going to use and deal with the consequences on their own. If one of those consequences happens to be no network access when they are at your place, that's their problem. If that gets flipped on me and someone dislikes that I run Linux... well, I can just connect my laptop to my phone and get internet access that way lol. It's already how I stay online during power outages lol.

[@johanb.7869]

Use whatever works for you I always say. Be it Windows, Mac OS, Linux, Free BSD, Haiku or whatever. For me it's KDE Neon.

[@JohnCastleSmokeless]

A few thoughts: 1. I've switched. As a Gen Xer, I'm no longer on the bleeding edge of tech like I once was. Hyprland is beyond me, totally outside my user paradigm. But Zorin is a thing, and it just keeps getting better. 2. The commenter at 8:21 paraphrased Ockham's Razor so hard he cut himself with it. It's not, "The simplest answer is usually the right one." It's, "Among competing hypotheses, the one which relies upon the fewest number of requisite variables is the one most likely to be valid." That's not a distinction without a difference; "simple" may look correct superficially, but any really serious examination exposes just how many more requisite variables that superficial look of simplicity relies on. 3. User privacy and sole custodianship of one's own data are powerful motivators. Couple that with the fact that Linux distributions are nowhere near as arcane as they once were (I'll make an exception for Gentoo, here) and while I agree that a mass user migration to Linux from Windows is unlikely _in the near term,_ if distributions like Linuxmint, Zorin, Pop!_OS, Nobara, and others aren't making Microsoft nervous, they _should_ be.

[@Astrogator1]

I worked at IT training company as tech support for a couple of years. Why worry about people installing win 11 on unsupported hardware or trying DIY Linux. Sad truth is the number who struggle to find button to turn computer on. I wish I was exaggerating 😂😂😂

[@YouTubeCensorshipStinks]

I switched to linux in 1999-2000. Used windows for gaming, but linux as my daily driver. now i just use manjaro and gentoo for everything.

[@gragogflying-anvil3605]

@@dreaper5813 And from an IT-security perspective, those games should be avoided on Windows anyway (because their "Anti-Cheat" acts like Malware).

[@Dev-Siri]

Already on Linux 👍

[@haakon_b]

Since 1992 every next year will be the year of the Linux Desktop breakthrough.

[@4GdaTim]

Yesterday i saw myself installing Windows 11 on my unsupported laptop, i wanted to test if it really was that bad, and i really didn't like the results and a day later i got back to 10. Yeah, sure, Windows 11 really is pure designing perfection, has it's charm, new apps and all that stuff, but it's not polished enough for Microsoft to force it on people until 2025. It had a lot of bugs for me. One of the functionalities Windows 10 had that i really didn't like too was the taskbar at the top/corners; my monitor is a bit broken on the bottom, meaning i can't see the taskbar if it's down there, so when i installed Windows 11 and saw i couldn't change it anymore, dayum.

[@modexploit]

I actually switched to EndeavourOS this year so that my workflow could be entirely migrated well before the end of security updates. I’ve even got a Windows VM for when it’s absolutely necessary. It’s been a great experience so far!

[@samuel_towle]

I began using Linux (Ubuntu) in 2007 and ditched windows completely when 8 was announced. I'm currently running Ubuntu 22.04 on an Intel 4770K and 16GB Ram in a machine I built in 2013. I won't say there was no learning curve, or that there were no compromises. For the most part where Windows was concerned I felt like I spent more time maintaining the system than I spent doing work, personal stuff, or gaming. With Linux I could just do what I needed to do. I'll never go back to Windows.

[@kyokazuto]

Yeah especially if you want to keep all your programs updated it's a big hassle on windows.

[@johanb.7869]

The benefit off Linux is that you can always test it before you install it with the live version. That's what I did before I switched to Linux in 2017.

[@kensmith5694]

I think that learning the quirks of a new version of windows and getting your software to run on it and working around the "incompatibility" issues etc etc etc adds up to more relearning than what a windows user would need to migrate to Mint Linux or many other easy to use versions.

[@valeriojackable]

i tried moving to linux more than once. First time 22 Years ago: tried multiple distros, was not satisfied at all. Second time 15 Years ago: tried multiple distros settled for Debian and tailored to my needs. Experience was vastly improved but there was still some problems (Setting up audio was awfull, ALSA was horrible). Tried my best to set up Gaming with Wine but had poor results despite investing a bunch of time into it. Third time now: i bought a Steam deck. Gaming support improved massively. Good experience overall. I will evaluate migrating to Linux with my main rig as soon as they discontinue Win 10. Hope they fix support for online multiplayer titles.

[@ShadowOfTheSPQR]

Online multiplayer titles are the ones that need to fix the support: various developers have bent over far to give you this rapid increase in compatibility so far, and the real problem with MP titles is incompatibilities built in by highly intrusive anticheats for the most part. Hopefully with the growing market share it will be realistic for them to start giving a damn.

[@dgilroy36]

I installed win 11 after using Linux for the last 14 years. I regret it from the starting the installation, Linux installs itself and all the software in one easy step. In my time with Linux I have only used the command line a handful of times. I always gets me that people that talk about Linux always talk about the command line like it is necessary to use the OS and tit is a quantum leap from Windows. I think this is what turns a lot of people away from installing a distro like Mint on old hardware even Fedora now works out of the box for most hardware. I think a lot of Linux users like the mistque of the command line.

[@johanngambolputty5351]

Been using Linux for around 4 years now, I feel like people build a virtual barrier in their minds making it seem scarier and harder than it actually is. There's hurdles sometimes, but that's the case for winblows too, they just don't think as much of it then, people just need a little more confidence in being able to learn new things and swiftly deal with the odd hiccup. Microshart just seems to encourage that passive consumer attitude, don't worry your little pretty head about it and just eat out of our palms, don't ask any questions... its just not for me.

[@IntangirVoluntaryist]

I switched to linux in 1999 and it wasn't because i didn't understand windows lol, i knew windows 95 and 98 better than just about anyone, i was thoroughly experienced in programming windows API in C/C++ and with MFC And i actually liked windows 2000 too, it was pretty decent, but i loved linux because of the principles behind it, the open source, its free ($) and free (rights)

[@crydiamond8704]

Glad im tech savvy enough to where none of this affects me personally

[@crydiamond8704]

@@lindenreaper8683 no it's because I already use linux

[@lboston4660]

2023 was the year of Linux for me personally, thanks to mutahar's gpu passthrough video. Using Windows nowadays as a power user is a daily slap in the face. The forced ads, the forced restarts, and their whole attitude about it is disgusting. I know all of big tech is heading in that whole ads-on-everything-and-everything-is-a-service direction, but damn, seeing Windows kill itself like that does hit different... maybe that's just because I remember the 90's. I can confidently say that, had I been born 25 years later than I did, making Windows 10 my introduction to computing, I probably wouldn't have turned into a computer nerd. I can't pinpoint what makes a computer system appealing or interesting to a curious child, but Windows 10 sure as fuck ain't got it.

[@rayko12345]

Yea, I think the only hope to make new computer nerds is the Raspberry PI and all random projects you can make with it. Although that is more related to electronics than computer science per say, but still creating some kinds of nerds that need to know some programming or whatever...

[@kada0420]

What's your current OS? I tried getting my feet wet with Ubuntu for my laptop. Had to search through a 2003 forum deep into the pages of google to make it work. Personally, I didnt think it was worth the effort after and went back to windows 10

[@JohnnyUtah488]

You nailed it 100%. It used to be so exciting to see the huge leaps in both hardware and software, plus the early wild west days of the internet. Now it's all stagnant corporate schlock designed to extract as much time, money, data, and control as possible. All tailored to the absolute lowest common denominator of users. I don't see much left for power users these days.

[@rayko12345]

@@kada0420 I use Fedora now, but I've never had to go back further than 2010 on linux forums to make anything work and I've been using Linux as a daily driver since 2016.... But if it is an old CPU then you'd need to use some old OS that comes with a kernel that supports your old CPU (or other old hardware).

[@kada0420]

@@rayko12345 I see thanks for the info. It is a laptop from 2014 so it made sense. As for my case, the smoothest I experienced was Linux Mint. I experimented with it cause I dont want to mess with my main pc and risk deleting everything. Maybe I should try it on a more modern pc in the future.

[@TanyaCumpston]

According to ChatGPT, the term “Year of Linux” was first used in 1999 by Nicholas Petreley in an article for InfoWorld. It is as ridiculous now as it was then.

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

2023 is the year of Linux for me, and that's what really matters. It wouldn't have happened if wasn't concerned about Windows 10 end of life and had unsupported hardware for Windows 11. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an uptick in Linux desktop usage from people too cheap to buy new hardware, and I'll personally do what I can to help folks make that switch.

[@1pcfred]

That is ridiculous. 1995 was the Year of Linux for me.

[@1pcfred]

@@dreaper5813 consume massive quantities.

[@johanb.7869]

It will never be, but that's okay by me. Mine started in 2017.

[@johanb.7869]

@@ordinaryhuman5645 With Linux your older hardware can get it's second life. There are enough distro's for older hardware like for instance Antix, Bunsenlabs or Lubuntu.

[@jbullforg]

I upgraded from Windows 7 to Linux Mint and have never looked back.

[@iliqiliev]

Switching to Arch btw was the best computer related decision I've ever made. I'm love with my hobby again and I learn new things all the time.

[@LegoClara01]

I used to just use win 10, but my hardware was getting too old and i was planning on buying a new pc anyways, so i installed fedora 34 (i am now on 38), and became tech savvy just from it. I now run a server on fedora server, code (kinda) and tbh it is just nicer to use. I customize to an extent but not like an arch user. I am aware though that some people have software only avalible on windows (photoshop + adobe suite), and that is a major problem with linux. I am a gamer (to an extent), and I have only had one problem, that wasn't that major, and proton is amazing

[@flippystudios7933]

It's worth mentioning that switching to MacOS will also contribute to the E waste issue, due to apple's proprietary hardware.

[@omegaman7377]

Because you think artificially turning computer obsolete will have no impact?

[@johanb.7869]

Apple is to expensive for most people.

[@smallcat848]

in a better world windows 7 would still be supported with no plans to stop and we'd never have to deal with these problems

[@panhandlep]

People thinking the average user will go to Linux, a system based on command lines and several compatibility issues to solve daily while they have no idea that a bootable pen drive is an actual thing.

[@rimuru2035]

@D Reaper The average user want's the computer to just work, jumping through hoops when trying to run anything that isn't firefox, most things launched via steam, and a free and open source alternative that's likley inferior to what it's meant to be an alternative to or almost useless when trying to get a related job.

[@TheAzureStarton]

The OS variety in Linux is great. People should try it on every PC that they own. It is customizable and awesome.

[@lmaoidgaf]

I still see a lot of Windows 7 in my city!!

[@flauschxger]

Honestly as a fellow gamer and dual booting enjoyer, I am not looking forward the EoL of Win 10 at all. I will probably not have a problem with Win 10 being out of date and me still using it, but for games like Valorant or League of Legends its an absolute pain in the ass. For some reason the requirement for their dodgy anticheat is secure boot and tpm enabled on Windows 11, that's why I didn't upgrade/went back down to Windows 10 for now, since on Windows 10 these features don't need to be enabled to play these games. As some of you might now, running a dual boot setup with those features enabled will most likely break(or simply not boot) your Linux installation/even if there is support or workarounds like for Linux Mint, it isn't worth the effort and the risk to me. And building a second PC just for two and a few other games that have the same issue and which I rarely play with some friends at all, isn't worth the money spent. Apart from Windows 11 being an absolute unfinished, feature lacking monstrosity and an insult towards privacy (as it is with Windows 10) I wouldn't mind running it, since I won't use it for anything else but TeamSpeak, Discord, a couple of games which are compromising to run on Linux or don't work at all.

[@MetroidCatchy]

I'm a tech-savy Windows user, I did install Windows 11 on unsupported hardware. And it was running worse than on Windows 10. What I could do in Windows 10, wasn't possible on Windows 11 anymore, or less efficient. (Especially playing video games) CPU usage was higher as normal. I switched back to Windows 10, but not the consumer would use, I use the IoT Enterprise LTSC now. At least some peace for some time, well after when 2025 will come and go.

[@andrewwebb4635]

Really enjoyed that, thanks! I think (fear?) that the corporate world, the biggest users, will smoothly change over to W11 and take the ‘hit’ of upgrading their PCs in their stride. A bunch of semi-corporate entities in the middle who are also big users might trot along with W10 or even earlier versions taking the risk. I’d include our NHS, probably one of UK’s biggest user groups, in that since they mostly haven’t yet changed to W10 according to some reports. A much smaller group, private users will change to W11 if they can afford it but will otherwise take the risk for another year or two. A TINY group of technically minded mostly young people will swap Windows for Linux.

[@Barism]

I'll be switching to linux near soon, even windows 10 was a unacceptable update by its own (it has spyware) and linux is just continuing to advance. I'll probably try arch or artix linux

[@andrewwebb4635]

@@Barism I found Mint 20 pretty good but ultimately nearly all professional grade software is, regrettably, written for Windows or Apple. It’s a simple matter of supply and demand. You can undoubtedly struggle on with freeware but it’s simply not as well polished at the end of the day.

[@ellenorbjornsdottir1166]

Andrew Webb, try Proton?

[@travelandmoore]

A lot of the corporate world is already on 11, it’s not a big deal on the business side. We will be fully on 11 by the beginning of next year

[@andrewwebb4635]

Q what’s Proton, please?

[@corporate.security]

Uh ... yeah. Bypassing the system requirements is not, I'll say it louder for those in the back, IS NOT a sustainable, respectful, and easily approachable solution to a problem created by the company.

[@corporate.security]

@@lindenreaper8683 for you and me? Yeah maybe. But for the average consumer? That's also not an acceptable or sustainable solution.

[@corporate.security]

@@lindenreaper8683 I would argue those people aren't your "average consumers" tho. But, I do think Linux will have an uptick, even if it's a slight one, in usage due to the Microsoft nonsense.

[@WyvernDotRed]

It's important to remember that first and foremost, a computer is a tool to get work done or to serve content. The security aspect practically comes second, what use does a secure machine have if it does not work for their purposes? A somewhat related example in my case is Android, to this day I am daily driving Android 7, initially from disliking UI changes but later as replacement phones often lack features I care about. Since I was given an Android 12 phone that meets my hardware demands, but preparing it for my use is proving to be surprisingly tricky. Stuff like accessing the camera from the lockscreen does not work, which is a problem as a failed authentication gets in the way when I'm focussing on some project and taking reference pictures. The workaround requiring disabling lockscreen security fully, I'll be looking at forking an open source app lock app for my needs for some semblance of security, as this is a dealbreaker (just to have it said, I am aware that Pixel phones do keep this functionality). Otherwise, am running into way more resistance in changing the default apps (camera, launcher, dialer, ect.), it still works but it's not nearly as smooth or reliable as it was on my Android 7 phone. Which, as set phone is still working, I will continue to use for now, while I slowly prepare and get used to that other phone. On my PCs, initially I only made the switch to Linux as Windows 7 ran too slowly on an old laptop I switched to after growing annoyed with how restrictive my iPad was. From having to switch just that one device, I learned my way in the OS, but when the factory Windows install of my new laptop did not work properly, I fully switched. Slowly explored more distros afterwards, settled on Garuda Linux but I'd recommend new users to start (and perhaps stay) with Linux Mint, Kubuntu or Pop!_OS, depending on which seems more interesting to you. Ofc. I'm a techy user, but I don't tweak for the heck of it, only to make a system work for me if they did not before. The difference with most users being that I am persistent in fixing things I don't like, which extends to modifying hardware too. It's surprising how little most bother with tweaking either soft- or hardware, instead just putting up with the issues. But the people who do give their tools the attention they need will consider their options and make whatever choice is best for them, which may include continuing to put up with Windows, if they can explain why that is the best option for them.

[@RetroMan-]

i7 7700K user here...Question: After you install windows 11 on unsupported hardware, will you have any issues updating when Microsoft pushes out a new update? Or will it just work as if you do have supported hardware?

[@user-tc9tb3a]

There can be updating issues on unsupported hardware. Most likely Microsoft does not test Windows 11 updates on such hardware (which is understandable because it's unsupported) so they can break the system or just fail

[@RetroMan-]

@@user-tc9tb3a Thank you I appreciate the info!

[@NiGHTSnoob]

I've been running Linux off and on for over a decade now, but still primarily use Windows. That being said it's come such a long way in the past several years and I have been using EndeavorOS as the only OS on my laptop for a while that I fully intend to swap to Linux on my desktop in 2025. The niggling problems it still has for gaming are far and away the lesser of two evils compared to Windows 11's... everything. None of my friends seem to hold the same opinion though, which is completely baffling to me given just how much data it collects that's nigh completely impossible to gut out. Some of them are decently tech savvy too, but whatever.

[@Cherijo78]

I like using Linux, but there are certain realities that just are not going to disappear magically within the next two years. Distro fracturing and compatibility testing of software is a flat out disaster. Sure, you can build your own software from source code to ensure distro compatibility, assuming the code is open source, But that's a very specific skill set that your average user is in no way going to touch. It's difficult enough for an average user to get support on generally hostile to newbs Linux forums for a very basic troubleshooting. That's without even touching on the fact that there's just a lot of software out there that is built for windows or Mac primarily That will not run very well on Linux if at all. It's one thing to put up with a bit of jank in a game or a productivity app as an enthusiast who is aware of the potential issues and has at least a vague comprehension of how to do it, it's an entirely other issue to expect the average user to do so. Compatibility and translation layers have come a long way, but they are not complete or perfect by far, and they leave performance on the table by their very nature. Some people then say well there's other software out there that's FOSS. You can switch. Sure, but also not. People want things that work the way they like them to work and the way they are used to them working. Switching software is not that easy for many people. Features are often not at the same level of refinement or quantity. Then there's the problem of FOSS code abandonment. Then there's the problem of FOSS often being maintained by a small group of people or singular person, meaning that active development is entirely dependent on their schedule and willingness to keep the software up to date. Last of all, and probably most important is the crappy attitude that a lot of the Linux community has towards GUI. There is so much crap thrown at newbies about GUI settings versus using CLI. "Lern2CLI" is a rampant and crappy take amongst current Linux users. There is a good reason why GUI was invented, why it exists, and why it is the primary interface for Windows, Mac, Android, and every other operating system that is mainstream. CLI has gone the way of the dodo for the average user, and good riddance IMHO. The Linux community as a whole needs to get this through our heads. If the OS has a GUI, which most Linux distros these days do, then CLI should not have to be a primary method that a Linux user has to use to fix the vast majority of issues on their machine. This over reliance on CLI drives average people away from Linux use. If we want the year of the Linux desktop to come, this attitude must change. I appreciate the enthusiasm of the Linux community, and I very much enjoy using Linux. The reality is, though, that we're not there by far. Certainly things can improve, but given the long history of Linux, I just don't see the pace or major issues being solved suddenly within a year or so. That's just not reality.

[@maynnemillares]

The reality is a competent adblocking browser extension is the first defense of any user from getting compromised online. Malware uses ads as a vehicle to enter a device nowadays.

[@VenomPulse]

My biggest problem with the windows 11 "requirements" is alot of hardware is being told that it does not meet the minimum requirements, when in actuality it meets the recommended requirements. For instance I have a ryzen 7 3700x and a 3060 12 gb with 32 gb of 3600. and according to windows 10 I do not meet the minimum requirements.

[@cameronfrye5514]

This is a very interesting discussion. As more and more of what we do becomes browser based there is very little need to be bound to a specific OS, so long as compliant browsers exist. I am "tech savvy", but I have become lazy over the years and just went with Windows. The telemetry wrapped into Windows 11 made me sit up and take notice. I'm a dual box gamer, so I put Pop OS on one of my PCs, and frankly.. it's a better user experience than Windows. I'm using the same browser and most of the apps I use not browser based actually have Linux versions that just work. My games are next, and if I can get those working without much in the way of compromise I will become a brand new Linux evangelist. I suggest anyone with the capability and concern regarding the privacy compromises that come with Windows 11 or Mac OS consider trying something different. PC hard drives are cheap... swap in a fresh one and try something different.

[@robinhayman3866]

I have a secondary Dell Laptop which have Win10 on it and isn't "compatible" with Win11. Recently, I found out that the laptop's CD/DVD drive has seen it's last days and since optical disks is mostly something of the past, I decided to rather replace the optical drive with a second SSD. I always wanted to try out Linux and as such thought it will be the perfect time to try a dual boot system with each OS being installed on each one of the SSD's. I have chosen Linux Mint with the Cinnamon DE as my first Linux distro and I have truly being enjoying it. The interface is just so much cleaner than Win10, while at the same time also using up less resources. All of the software that I use, also works perfectly (whether native or under Wine). All and all, as someone who is at this moment a Linux beginner, I would encourage people to at least give one of the beginner friendly distros a shot. I think you will be pleasantly surprised about how well it works and I am personally considering switching my main PC to Linux as well.

[@miket.220]

I love and daily drive Linux Mint "Cinnamon" 21. All the things you like about Windows, with none of the bloat or nonsense. Runs better on my 2012 Mac Mini than Mac 'Catalina', or even W10 did.

[@curiosity2314]

"It works perfectly fine" but you cannot see advancements without change across the board. I like Linux but it's difficult to get true global support for the system as there are so many variations. Microsoft back in the day was able to force global support for good or bad. We are at a true crossroad, it's going to be interesting to see what happens in Oct 25-2025. I do think Microsoft is going to cave in on this one and add an additional three years of support.

[@yaylaytorest]

ran linux for about a week and i liked it mostly but the thing that bugged me the most was that my gpu wasnt working correctly and the compatibility issues with some programs and it wasnt really that much faster than windows 10

[@yaylaytorest]

@D Reaper I can't

[@HerrDoktorWeberMD]

My pc upgraded to windows 11 without my consent, and then wouldn't boot no matter what I tried. So I switched to Linux. I've been through a handful of different distros, but I've learned a lot, and it's been surprisingly handy for gaming!

[@1pcfred]

I'd be pretty butthurt if what you say happened to you happened to me. Leaving a PC in an unbootable state is unacceptable. I won't say it can't happen on Linux but the times it's happened to me it was because of something I did. I was able to recover too. You can boot off anything and chroot into your old system and fix whatever you did.

[@kensmith5694]

@@1pcfred ... or in some cases, not chroot but just fix the issue and reboot.

[@HerrDoktorWeberMD]

@@1pcfred hell, I told the truncated version. Yeah I've bricked a couple Linux installs doing stupid things to my partitions, but when I finally got my windows install working again, I tried upgrading back to 10... But because my PC shipped with a Windows 11 key, it just patched 11 back in on first boot. That's when I started learning Manjaro lmao (worry not though I'm on Tumbleweed now)

[@johanb.7869]

@@1pcfred Once you installed Linux leave it alone. Some tinker to much and run into problems. And especially if you didn't do a backup.

[@1pcfred]

@@johanb.7869 I don't back anything up. I haven't lost any data in decades either.

[@TravisNewton1]

End of XP: This is the year of the Linux desktop! End of 7: This is the year of the Linux desktop! End of 10: Will THIS be the year of the Linux desktop? Spoiler: no.

[@korgalis]

well end of win 7 was what ultimately made me switch to linux XD, and linux is growing both in users and in software so year of linux desktop is already here people just change slowly

[@omegaman7377]

Maybe for you. But lot of people are making the switch. In the Western World, most countries have deficit, thank to Covid. I predict an experience of Linux will become a requirement for public service.

[@jimmyneutron129]

@@korgalis ok but this is meaningless, it just stagnates for years

[@ahmadkhaled7497]

Just a quick note, updates do work on unsupported hardware, the typical security and cumulative updates are ok. But the ones that don't get published are the annual version updates. Probably the dumbest method to install /upgrade to windows 11 is by using a flash drive and burn the iso witj Rufus, that way you won't have to modify the registry or doing any techy stuff. I personally love this method because I keep forgetting what to do with registery files. I just burn the iso, do a manual upgrade and that's it. Funny though, hp website says that my laptop has a compatible windows 11 drivers, but the pc health check says i can't install windows 11.

[@Electrodoc1968]

The only thing keeping me from ditching Windows and turning to Linux is Linuxs' overbearing insistence on typing in my password. I know my vulnerabilities and I know my particular security level of requirements equate to a Logon password, even that is O/P in my own situation. It's just so annoying there's no options to control the level of UAC this consistent password typing is a vulnerability in itself as it would make my password easily brute forced by someone looking at the wear of my keyboard letters. ASDWROP Being the worn out keys and also a hint on how peed off I am using Passwords everywhere.

[@harrygenderson6847]

I switched to Linux shortly after windows 11 released (went with Manjaro because I wanted to use pacman and the AUR), mainly because windows stopped updating correctly months prior (but kept trying every week) and I had the choice of reinstalling windows or something else. Now I learn that windows 11 doesn't even support my processor, which is from 2017, and would probably refuse to install conventionally anyway. My computer has always had the specs to run anything I've thrown at it, including diffusion models and (up to 7B parameter) LLMs in this past year of AI craze, and yet microsoft has managed to stuff so much telemetry into their OS that they tell me it won't even run.

[@grxgghxrpxr]

How are you finding Linux? I think Arch is brilliant.

[@harrygenderson6847]

@@grxgghxrpxr It's been great. I've learned more about how my computer works in the past year than the previous 6 or so combined. One the only features I missed at first were things like device manager and task manager, but KDE has its own equivalents. There are many tasks that are easier now that I know how to use the terminal. I've even been enjoying FOSS equivalents of other apps, e.g. libreoffice, more than their proprietary counterparts.

[@johanb.7869]

@@grxgghxrpxr Manjaro isn't Arch. It's just a respin. Or did you mean Arch itself?

[@johanb.7869]

@@harrygenderson6847 KDE is great and looks a lot like Windows 10 and 11. I'm running KDE Neon.

[@grxgghxrpxr]

@@johanb.7869 it's still based on Arch meaning they are using many of the features of Arch.