Clem vs MASS MUTALISKS! StarCraft 2 Finals

StarCraft 2 Tournament - Clem vs Dark - Terran vs Zerg - ESL SC2 Cup Finals - Clem takes on Dark in a top tier Terran vs Zerg StarCraft 2 finals.
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[@joeystracener9804]

Recent cancer survivor here. Trying to get into running. Each time I see my pace getting lower than desired, my one voice does it's best Brenda impression and says, "Pump those arms, ladies!" Thanks for the laughs and slightly improved days!

[@joeystracener9804]

Before which, I was able to fly!

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

Glad that you survived! Don’t overdo it, it’s very easy to run “too much one day”. Look at the calendar, not at the chronometer. And enjoy!

[@joeystracener9804]

@@enriquegarciacota3914 thank you!

[@abyrvalg_]

Just run on creep, dude

[@joeystracener9804]

@@abyrvalg_ yes!

[@georgeromaniajr.2680]

When I’m here, I feel like I’m in a tight knit community. Thank you Winter for bringing us together.

[@bt920]

Yes i agree!

[@vojislavpavkovs9124]

@@bt920i dont disagree!

[@umrete]

Winterfriend is best friend!

[@Gandalf1232]

It's similar to the community Husky had back in the WoL days. That was peak Starcraft

[@AZ3rgling]

What race?

[@BeardRubEnjoyer]

You and Pig keeping SC alive in the West. We appreciate you.

[@Twiixq]

Lowko ? :p

[@nathanbarnhart7823]

Wardi does a lot for the community too

[@dunmatta2670]

"Clem distracted by the massive meatshields in his base. And who wouldnt be, those hunks of beautiful zerg meat." 😂

[@Gorvinhagen]

Terran v Zerg finals. Just as Amon intended.

[@justinpeterson7246]

Look who's out here making my morning. ❤

[@bt920]

My morning consists of coffee and a good ol' Winter casting! Its not complete without both😂

[@corporatebaddie685]

last time i watched this much sc2 it was HDstarcraft and Husky era. :D

[@blgdinger3]

wow havent heard those names in a looong time

[@IAMZERG]

"#1 in the world according to Dark... It's Dark!" Sounds about right 🤣🤣

[@MrChasedogy]

By far the best commentator in SC2. Thanks for the great quality videos. I look forward to them daily and you always get my like!

[@f210-t1r]

My father and I used to play brood war together, when StarCraft 2 came out we stood outside fry’s together to get 2 copies. I’m terrible at this game but I’m addicted to watching these games these guys are truly cracked out of their minds

[@TwinSimian]

Great content, great commentary, I love to watch guys like you and Harstem and uThermal, it’s lighthearted and cheeky but also savvy, keep up the good work!

[@cubandarknez]

Was starting to get withdrawal after 1 day off

[@bt920]

Same, i was really feining

[@famouscharactersplay4298]

We need a shirt of Brenda saying, "Get off my CREEP!!" Id buy it.

[@nikilgottipaty7916]

Bumping this

[@MilesKilometer-wg9vc]

100%

[@juanpablogarcia5362]

I'd buy one too for sure!

[@vojislavpavkovs9124]

@@famouscharactersplay4298 yep… we need this!

[@snagsTS]

Big fan of his Hatchery Owners' Association line too 😂

[@Michael-uk3pj]

Winter: is that… legal Dark: I will make it legal!

[@ladylynxelot9925]

The fight at 5:49 is what makes Terran so frustrating for me, as a Zerg, to play against. You've got a decent number of stuff, your army is more expensive than the Terran blob, you're coming in from two angles, your queens are assisting, your upgrades are even, the initial parts of the engagement is on creep. There's 14 supply of banelings, 12 supply of queens, 20 supply of lings (46 total) vs 52 supply of of marine/medivac/tank and a singular hellbat. Thats an army more expensive for the Zerg, starting on creep, And despite all of this, you get called "Target Practice" and get wiped so incredibly one-sidedly that you might as well not have had an army at all. I am not going to call it "imbalanced" because, I don't inherently think it is. If Dark had his runby lings there, the fight might've gone onesidedly in the opposite direction. Where it pisses me off, is that if Zerg has one engagement like this, there's nothing you can do. Game ends. Even before the 20 supply of reinforcements for Terran shows up. If Terran on the other hand is being overwhelmed, medivacs just picks up as much as possible, you fly home, and you continue the game pushing when 2/2 kicks in. I don't think it is imbalanced, but I do think it, from a gameplay perspective, is incredibly frustrating.

[@motan7864]

1. Serral would've probably deflected this push, not sure how, but that's definitely possible 2. the game ends only at this top level

[@timshady7099]

No, its imbalanced. The fact that you have to have 30% more bases than a terran just to be on even footing is just ridiculous.

[@hivetech4903]

He moved a tonne of banes off creep with not enough support which was not ideal. Also trying to compare costs of armies is ignoring the big picture. Lower level players (below top Masters) tend to only see engagements and not understand build timings and/or small interactions that lead up to it. He was not on equal upgrades earlier and if he doesn't take better fights it all contributes to a later downfall. It works both ways. At pro level Terran is in a strong position Vs Zerg right now but has not been for very long so not IMBA. If they stay strong for like 3-4 months it would be & Blizzard might consider reverting one of the bane nerfs, maybe buff Viper speed to help out the late game.

[@Twiixq]

@@timshady7099Wrong point, Zerg can take multiple base way faster than terran and protoss, and for less investment. Zergs ALWAYS need at least one more base than their opponents. It's in their core gameplay. They need more army supply (cheaper army) and can remax in a blink of an eye.

[@timshady7099]

@@Twiixq Sorry but I dont feel like its an advantage that Zerg is required to take more bases to be on even footing with Terran. I would much rather sit on a single base and pump army instead of droning.

[@zetekfr]

Clem is so good for baneling's click.

[@kevinkinney8009]

You are fast becoming my favourite caster! I love the queen banter SUSAN! Additionally, I really appreciate your anti spoiler extra casts at the end. So many games have been spoiled because of video length. You ROCK!

[@salvocampoli]

I'm here :) and i have to say that i love Ricky and Brenda too... Expecially Brenda 😊

[@GoldenArbiter01]

Oof... Poor Dark. The last two games just felt like Dark was stuck in his own head, and defeated himself...

[@blgdinger3]

man for real! he just gave up!!!

[@RoboticsBay]

That last game was pure outplay material

[@phunglung69420]

Imagine using to Moootas to bait the marines into baneling mines :000

[@WizardyDylan]

i was pondering the word sieve just yesterday

[@ILOVEDRAGO]

Paraphrasing Winter: thwre are lots of decisively decided decisive decisions! 😃

[@ArmstrongAlley]

You reached forward after mentioning Swarm Hosts and I thought you were about to surprise me with a Swarm Host plush.

[@frenky29a]

As always, the best StarCraft commentary on internet.

[@adamhubbert8896]

Quick load a game that Dark will win easily so Winter doesn't get too depressed.

[@Ulti_H]

hunk personality fits ultras so well

[@ryanj610]

Doesn't make sense to me how Terran can keep up with a 3 base Zerg in terms of expansion speed; nearly have the same worker count (plus mules) while harassing the whole time. And on top of it, they clearly have the better late game balance. Zerg is pretty much forced to build extra queens to not immediately die, and it puts them behind.

[@xIcarus227]

Yes, they pigeonholed Zerg into having to build a ton of Queens because their anti-air is atrocious. Genuinely every race is complaining about that unit, Zergs are complaining that it's too expensive and clunky while the other races are complaining that it's overpowered - because in small-scale fights it really is. And even with Queens existing, every vs Z matchup is about exploiting Zerg's obviously pathetic anti-air. It's absolutely ridiculous to have units fly into your base and the only thing you can do is trade inefficiently, because marines inside the mineral lines completely destroy zerglings, then let them escape anyway because you don't shoot up. Pathetic race design. I cannot to this day understand why they didn't make Roaches shoot up right from the get-go and balance around that (and remove the Hydra), or make the Hydra a staple unit in the Zerg army. Brood War got it right.

[@cathulionetharn5139]

Thank You Om nom nom

[@jamiemac4377]

lol you make the memes also . good job bro

[@PerfidiousPuffin]

I miss the "I'm sorry, I blacked out for a second there."

[@danielbaity8571]

I subscribed for the gameplay ... I liked for the profound statements

[@nalgo]

Who's the player ranked number two in the world by Dark?

[@jefurihartono1630]

Dark

[@kustafx3911]

His off race

[@JsJustace]

Really enjoying this series. Been watching the casts between Lowko and yourself and it's been great. Even dragged the wife into it. I'm excited for the next gen of RTS to take over (zerospace or stormgate?) but I have my reservations as to wether it will be as good as SC2 still is today.

[@xXTheBennyXx]

I don't understand why more people don't bait out stim like at 19:52. If they stim you should just pull back and try to wait it out as much as possible even if it's just a second or two, especially if you have mutas that can hunt down medivacs making it harder for terran to heal. I don't play myself but I always find it wierd that sometimes stim does the most damage and that opponents don't play around it more often. Zerg has superior speed so pulling back is no issue especially if they are a bit away from your hatch. Extending a fight so that marines have to stim two times and you have effective done 40% of your damage for free. At the same time, terran is left with three options, they either go forward and push onto creep where zergs have an advantage, or they pull back and waste their health. Terran also loses momentum if they have to stand and heal.

[@ILOVEDRAGO]

is there a Home Story Cup this year? 😤

[@lvo9197]

A question, when did the deafault queen s name became Brenda?

[@nerdikles]

When they lost their ability to fly.

[@miza6]

@@nerdiklesBrenda remembers

[@quintyss1290]

Meautifully done, Dark?

[@MadRob11]

23:51 😂

[@nikilgottipaty7916]

Witty commentary as always love you dawg

[@RatreoTumips-ig8lg]

22:55 zerg's wet dreams attack ! so satisfying !!! i could watch this in loop for hours

[@costasvas341]

Aren't the finals in August?

[@JD-fy2cf]

Honestly wouldn’t mind a anti-spoiler series

[@elijahhogan]

Pretty good cast winter

[@jack8843]

Omg am I third? Here hoping to hear more Brenda interpretationns😂

[@TheRecurrence]

Your wish was granted :P

[@Apoc_Bone_Daddy]

Uhm, hi I'd like to make an order for the number 2 combo, Mutalisk wings with fries, buffalo flavor, amd 2 ranches As well as an order of a full rack of Hydralisk ribs with that honey-jalapeño bbq sauce, with a side of Mac n Cheese please And 2 large drinks

[@ChannelMath]

I will watch Winter until he looks his age. Which will probably be about 20 days after he's in the ground

[@BaaadJuju]

Lurker stopping by to say hi

[@LargeBlueCircle]

"I will make it... leeegal"

[@dreamtool2010]

08:00 "If there ever was a map for nudists"

[@Jasonsoloka2024]

Besides parasitic bomb zerg has no air splash damage A huge flaw in the swarm. I miss defilers

[@abyrvalg_]

Fungle. Also mutalisks, but their splash is too low

[@hivetech4903]

ROFL what do you mean "besides" parasitic bomb? Its incredibly strong.

[@Jasonsoloka2024]

@hivetech4903 only if you are above diamond. If you are normal they just die to fast and they micro the parasitic infected unit away from the clump. I want an upgrade to make hydra actually be able to fight air

[@Jasonsoloka2024]

@@abyrvalg_ muta die to everything air except void rays though

[@benismann]

SPOILER: kinda sad dark doesnt turn it around somehow. Again.

[@artspyfly]

Clement the beast of the best!

[@Naturalhigh8]

SLAP THAT MONEY

[@blgdinger3]

uhhhh that 3rd game wasnt over wtf...

[@tyrellwreleck4226]

It feels so embarassing everytime winter claim astrea as the strongest player in america

[@herpderpslerp]

I doubt it would ever happen. But I do like the muta. So would a better buff for them is to make them armored and give them plus 1 base armor? Or make their cost 75-75?

[@Kruggov]

Making mutas armored would kill the entire point of AoE thor attack (since mutas are literally the only thing it's good against), and also kill one of tye few niches phoenices have (which is "can chase and shoot down mutas with ease"). Besides, make mutas too cost effective and we'll end up with a repeat of SC1, except with less tanky mutas (because they took half damage from 75% of all anti-air)

[@adeanoalphonso8399]

Amazing

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

Like and subscribe, yes

[@OhJonnyBoythePipesareCalling]

I've been wondering, you always ask for 1300 something likes.... Is that a magic number for the algorithm or something!?

[@NealHoltschulte]

It goes up by one each day. He happens to be in the 1300s right now. He started at 1000.

[@bothpinkysbroken]

nice!

[@rimonshamon8607]

what the hell clem? no vikings !!!!

[@hivetech4903]

Mutas hard counter Vikings lol. Also you then can't make Medivacs for your Bio so your ground army gets massively weaker & less mobile.

[@xIcarus227]

@@hivetech4903 you can absolutely still make Medivacs lol - what you're actually saying is that you can't fly them anywhere you want to with no fear of being shot down anymore. I don't know why you think it's normal for a race to have such poor anti-air that enemy air units can fly wherever they want. And let's not pretend like the Zerg army doesn't get weaker when Mutas are built, they're terrible straight-up fighters and Marines eat them. You are however right that Vikings are not good against Mutas.

[@ProdigalGun]

Liked for Brenda.

[@eldenbling2615]

Mutas should cost 100/75

[@blgdinger3]

that was the shittiest finals of all time 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@hemmydall]

After the nerfs, I'm surprised the top pros even bother with banelings. They just seem like a waste of gas and lings to me 19/20 times. Have to find a way to stop the medivacs, which Zerg can't do well until later. The mutas seem great. Its about not making too many and keeping them alive as support/hunters for the main host after their harass phase is done.

[@cray2362]

Engagement comment

[@glitchy1903]

I always click the Clem videos

[@WastedTalent83]

i always feels terran are unbalanced XD they have way too many things early game that zerg has to defend from, one mistake, game over.. Terran just need to spam marines medics, and a couple invisible flying units that come out 10 minutes before the zerg one. I don't know, it just feels unbalanced, even if maybe is not.

[@xIcarus227]

I think you're undecided whether it's imbalanced or not because you describing _poor balance design_ instead of direct imbalance. Basically amount of harass Terran has + the amount of skill difference required to defend vs execute this harass + how poorly Zerg can punish said harass = it feels unfair, even though it's not directly broken.

[@WastedTalent83]

@@xIcarus227 point is, it just feel way easier to use terran than zerg , at least for me, the time you make a spire, terran jhave sent you 15 different flying usnits, same with protoss. I understand at high level play thing may be even but at low lvl is pretty much not, at least in my opinion, of course as a half noob my opinion may count zero, but its what i feel when i play against terran, and i don't have the same problem with protoss for example.

[@xIcarus227]

@@WastedTalent83 yes, I completely agree. Terran has tools for everything (which also tend to be quite cheap investments) whereas Z and P have to go out of their way and make certain things work. A good example is how P uses Phoenix or Oracle openers vs T because their scouting capability is just terrible. T just uses a scan, or does a small drop.

[@WastedTalent83]

@@xIcarus227 that's also a thing, invisible units can be countered by zerg or protoss in some way, but you just can never get terran if they are even decent players, "scans" and done, and they also have units to scan.. zerg? overlord that are super squishy, protoss? observer which at least is invisible and a bit harder to target since its small, but terran ?XD just spam command center and you have endless scans, plus as i said, having basically every single unit being long range AND being able to heal very fast or get repaired is absurd. In all videos we see of high level terran its always terran that loses less how is that balanced? unless the zerg are broken pro players XD

[@prismaticbeetle3194]

zerg are great against protoss but bad aginst terran

[@DZ1K]

i dont get pro players, zergs go fopr easy ctrl-a atacks with lings/banes, why not mass 50/50 marines helbats. Helbats counter both lings/banes and they are costeffective. But im not a pro player

[@xIcarus227]

Easy ctrl-a attacks lol, do you even know what that means? Hint: attacking from multiple angles at a time is the exact opposite of ctrl-a attacks. And Hellbats obviously get destroyed by Banelings, that's why you're not seeing them that much.

[@DZ1K]

@@xIcarus227 they do but banes vs hbts are not cost effective. adn hbs are better then maras vs ling/bane.

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