(WIP) Artemis planetary defense grid

[@mantha6912]

This is turning Space Engineers into Planetary Annihilation...I need to play that game some more.

[@Wehrnobyl]

Woah did NOT expect to hear about that game. I haven’t played in a while either.

[@robopenguin5501]

Dang literally had an idea written down to make ships and stuff based on the vehicles from that game XD haven’t played in years

[@mooloomemes8966]

I still play planetary annihilation on a regular basis. I'm not good at all but it's such a different RTS

[@neztech.]

@@mooloomemes8966 its a shame that barely anyone plays it

[@Mr.Hun13r]

And you just reminded me of PA. Havent played in awhile goddamn that game is under the radar such a gem, lots of good memories.

[@Privatepain1234]

I'm just imagining some faction taking over a small planet and fortifying it like this.

[@enricohocho]

.... 5 years later... Interstellar Tourist Ship´s Staff Member: "Oh Gary look how nice, that Planet looks just like our own don´t you think?" Emergency Alert ! Incoming ! 👁👄👁

[@TmanTheTdog]

@@enricohocho Obligatory “It’s coming from the planet?! Change course set thrusters to full-“

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

@@TmanTheTdog why do you have to remind me of the fate of these poor guys?

[@higueraft571]

@@mobiuscoreindustries Ngl though. Project Wingman, v e r y cultured.

[@Helena-me6mp]

@@mobiuscoreindustries I felt so bad for them! :(((((

[@MultipleEnderPeople]

Now this... this is scary. Just imagine a SuperCarrier getting ripped open by something they can't see. S.C.Commander: Status report His Second: We're being assaulted by an unknown force, sir SCC: Anything on Radar? HS: Negative, Sir? SCC: *Visible confusion*

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

Oh its WORSE, because right now you can see them because the render range was upped to 50km. If it isn't then you don't even see the projectile. No flash, no warning. Just massive hull breaches and no way to know what happened

[@exterminater267]

@@mobiuscoreindustries So if the render range is unable to pick up the firing of the projectile, it doesnt render the projectile even when it comes into range? If that is correct that is super dirty.... AND I LOVE IT Edit: Will the guns themselves fire at things out of your own render distance? I would assume so because grids dont have a render distance, only players do, right?

[@SharkStrikeAC]

@@mobiuscoreindustries The server needs to be very good to process and transmit a 50Km synchronization between all the players online.

[@JimBimBum]

@@mobiuscoreindustries how many can be deployed? It seems great for taking out a singular target but what about a swarm?

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

@@JimBimBum Well there isn't a practical limit but once you got about a dozen indivual control instances each tracking a dozen targets the overhead can start to stack. That being said, if you watch the latest vid they don't do too poorly agains groups of targets

[@Axi-Sol]

reminds me of the railgun platforms Inaros's faction put on the ring station in the final season of the Expanse

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

Well that was the inspiration and I still intend on making it a reality

[@emersonalencarjunior8291]

Imagine an enemy fleet jumping on its high orbit with an assault carrier, some destroyers, some frigates and a battlecruiser. The assault carriers then starts to deploy fighters squads and drop ships to invade the planet (and maybe dropping an auto outpost module too for quick base deploying/territory assurance) while the others ships just start get incoming by those planetary defense cannons, successfully attracting their attention. To support the attack, the battlecruiser starts to launch a volley of k-missiles, some with decoys, some with warheads, some with low level nukes targeting the cannon sites. Meanwhile the planetary forces scrambles their orbital fighters docked on the surface and the bigger ships stationed at some orbital stations trying to repel the invaders, but will take a while to arrive. You give me ideas, man! Ideas! Now I need a good computer to not fry while doing such a feat!

[@jenniferstewarts4851]

good computer? try a dedicated server LOL. I think thats beyond a "good computers" abilities... you are well into the, "256 Gigs of active memory, 64 gig video card" territory.

[@emersonalencarjunior8291]

@@jenniferstewarts4851 LOL so it will be just a matter of selling a kidney, a lung and a few meters of intestine (and maybe an arm - the non gamer one, a leg and an ear) to make that dream come into reality. OR to wait until they optimize the engine code to avoid both the laeeeg and the Klangs considerably.

[@demukazz]

And a dedicated community. You'd need dozens of players for such scenario

[@jenniferstewarts4851]

@@demukazz or paying for them. could hire the 100's of players you need. Though that said... it still wouldn't compare to one of the large battles in Eve. one of the most famous being "The Bloodbath of B-R5RB" 100's titans, 1000s of support battleships, escorts, and such. Over the course of 21 hours, 7,500 players fought an all-out war for control of the B-R5RB star system. in the end Nearly 11 trillion ISK worth of ships was destroyed - or about 1/3ed of a Million USD real cash value, worth of equipment.

[@Cooldude-ko7ps]

With the ground defence guns targeting the enemy capital ships. Due to it being a ground based installation there would be much more power available to charge the guns

[@Haywilly]

I loved that. The first shot was amazing because it wasn't shown but you could tell it was a direct hit due to the lag

[@ItsJustVirgil]

50 km might be a wee bit too powerful, even for AODs like this. Personally I’d go for 15 to 25, but hey, they’re your weapons of mass destruction, not mine.

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

Well, you are correct about one thing about the 25km range. These guns have a travel speeds of 5km/s. At the tail end of their range the projectile will have been in flight for a dozen seconds. Any changes in target velocity will result in a miss. Not only in 25km do you get within the hammer lock of the railgun (point where you can't feasibly move fast enough to dodge the shot) but you just get into range of the AWE coil guns. And coil guns are nasty because they are essentially hitscan weapons. That means as soon as you get within 25km, now the secondary batteries activate and you can't dodge their shots anymore.

[@julianofmemes9289]

“Captain! We’re receiving critical damage! But we have no visual on the enemy! What is it!?! Cloaking tech? Small lazer ships?” “Planet” “What sir!?!” “ITS THE GADDAMN PLANET CADET” “AAAAAA-“ *explosion*

[@eageraurora879]

Planetary Defense grid: exists Ace combat players: I know what has to be done

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

And so do I

[@AHG-134]

I mean the video has the music for project wingman as well

[@jovanblackman2608]

Surface to orbital cannons like these need to be supported by the Iron Dome mod weapon I saw on another YT channel

[@jamescollette1296]

Wanna know a scarier scenario? Finding out the cannon fire is coming from an asteroid belt. "The rocks are shooting at us, sir!" "Which one?" "All of them!"

[@Cooldude-ko7ps]

This is like a hyper velocity gun from Star Wars. Only way to take it down would be smaller ships sneaking by to lane a ground team to kill the guns

[@enclaveofficerz3245]

Laughs in entire army divisions manning manual 50 cal WWII deck turrets.

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

Well there is multiple ways I see it could be done. The easiest is just to change velocity. The shells take a dozen seconds to travel there and it's amongst the faster projectiles. So by moving you can mostly avoid being shot though it also drastically slows your approach. Taking out the watchtower satellites and probes can blind the array as they are the ones actually detecting and tracking the targets. By landing between the defense stations you can be pretty safe as the guns will neither see or be able to target you, until you come into the range of a watchtower that is. If you want to take out the array the approach will become harder and harder as you get closer but it will become vastly more problematic starting at 25km and Closer because that is when the coilguns get in range. Why is that an issue? Because coilguns are HITSCAN weapons so as soon as you break 25km you will start to get maulled by projectiles you can't evade. So at this point if you want to assault it your best bet is to throw a metric ton of shit in front of you that the railguns will need to deal with (still need to be big enough so that the script does not consider them debris). Once you get within 10km it's like fighting anything else except the railguns are now capable of self targeting and also you have about 2 seconds to avoid them and the base is now probably firing at you with custom missiles, regular missiles and every odd caliber under the sun.

[@null-0271]

"Captain!! The planet is shooting at us!!" "HOW!!??"

[@drfranklive2222]

YEAHHHHH PROJECT WINGMAN SOUNDTRACK WOOOOO

[@joelmulder]

Looks amazing! Like something straight out The Expanse!

[@HDreaper17]

Now this is spectacular, set those canons up with some decent shielding or cover and you've effectively cleared a massive area of space. I do love a good area denial system

[@LostJanbo]

If you build enough of them you could effectively secure a planet from outside invasion, that's what's concerning. I like it alot!

[@mackenziebeeney3764]

I wanna see this defense grid take on a whole invasion fleet.

[@bladecommando]

You did what I tried with the AWE pack - but better! Awesome.

[@romain5967]

So you know how they got the range so far? Please share...

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

@@romain5967 scripts, that is how. AI aimed turrets limit it to a max of 10km but the travel range is much higher. However this is an extreme range where normally you cannot get any information on a target that would allow you to guide a shot in... So here I made use of watchtower satellites and sensor probes, equiped with AWE radars to detect the target. They are equiped with Artemis as well, and as a result connect and transmit on the antenna network. The signal bounces from the watchtowers to a ground station via antenna then bounces to the planetary defense grid via laser antennas. The defense grid now obtains the live data on the target 50km away and can open fire. It only works for targets not altering their course because it can take upward of 10 seconds for the projectile to reach the target. Also unless you have a render range of 50km you won't actually see the projectiles.

[@romain5967]

@@mobiuscoreindustries this is beautiful, this is exactly the kind of engineering I love about space engineers, I'm making a torpedo system that replicates alot of the things you see torpedo's doing in the expanse, like defensive missiles, the same range, autoloaders, backwards launching, different salvoing modes and programming them to do different things etc, I don't understand how few people get into player made weapons, the things you can do is just infinitely cooler than any turret spam

[@bladecommando]

Using the sensor probes was a lot of fun to set up; using Whip's "SHART" script helped quite a bit for forward bases that were using "passive" antennas to transmit/receive data.

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

@@bladecommando Yeah I used that script with an orbital drop tank to coordinate missile strikes from the dropship. Pretty much the same system as used here except reversed and using guided missiles instead

[@kojeb]

my jaw was on the floor by the time those first few shots hit

[@Sturmischer]

Hmm Project Wingman music in Space Engineers

[@mzftmorons7266]

This is amazing, how do you increase the weapons range that far?

[@mydog3272]

Same question I’m asking, how lol

[@mzftmorons7266]

@@mydog3272 I've always wanted to build a sorta, orbital defense grid around a planet that shoots shit down when it comes in range but my issue is the range of all the weapons doesn't go far enough. You have to be right on top of something for the AI to start shooting.

[@mydog3272]

@@mzftmorons7266 I do know that the range for the standard rail gun for base game isn’t 2km, but the AI for the Turret controller is 600 m. It totally sucks but I feel that mods soon are to come out, or already out, to improve this.

[@warpig6459]

Now we need big scary plasma satites

[@foxtrotunit1269]

*"Those railguns are firing so goddamn fast, setting evasion pattern to max!"* - Naomi Nagata, The Expanse S06E06 Evading is possible, if an engineer adds H2 thruster to a chair and dodge like crazy, here's a relevant scene: kzbin.info/www/bejne/onrOq5qZo5t5ebc

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

You are reading my mind. Need to fix the instabilities of these truly gigantic turrets first.

[@justrandom90]

6 Railgun in a what 50m radius? Ok here is my sci-fi defense grid will be 1. A Large number of sensor satellite to a distance of 1 light minute 2. A FTL dampening field ready to be online to prevent ship from jumping away 3. A Large number of Hunter Killer Stealth Satellite moving in random pattern just in case 4. Hide my Planetary Defense under a stealth field. Should be enough anyway that idea i took from expeditionary force by Craig Alanson also Amazing work you did.

[@michaelmitchell6476]

Nice planetary defense network

[@StrelitziaLiveries]

Nice choice of music

[@JGG1701]

Gives a whole new meaning to Space Force.

[@jorockgalvan]

It's sooooo cool. What SE needs is a tech system like From the Depths that allows players to make such weapons in vanilla.

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

I mean, while I need a mod to get a weapon to reach that far, it is vanilla in guidance since it's using a script. I already made such a system with guided missiles, but they can take minutes reaching their targets. This one takes about ten seconds to do so

[@zawseh1553]

This is awesome.

[@erebamagi8241]

man the Artemis script sounds beyond amazing , when will it be available for public usage?

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

when its not absolutely fucked by the recent API changes. Turret code is isolated from everything else because its too big to fit either mainframe variants, the guns don't fire on their own unless you force them to, the gun angles just don't want to work and I am fairly certain the combat autopilot just makes you spin. That being said, we ARE looking for more ever more testers/users that can brave the bullshit

[@fakehappiness3413]

This is not how space engineers is meant to be played *AxxL

[@cake6476]

* Simply releases a swarm of 3000 shipping containers from a super freighter to overwhelm the railguns and conceal the approach of several marine dropships *

[@edgardox.feliciano3127]

Until the flak comes in and demolishes your marine dropships, leaving you with only one ship intact with one platoon that happens to have the Main Protagonist loaded to the brim with Plot Armor to deal with the planetary defenses

[@pensive7270]

Imagine this was a minigame with anywhere from 5-20 players where the goal was to make it planetside alive. Toss in Deadly Reentry for hardcore mode.

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

Well if you fly evasively they are pretty easy to dodge. Deadly re entry would mean you would need to slow down when closer to the atmosphere which means more likelyhood of getting hit, and once within 25km coilguns are in range and these MF are basically impossible to dodge.

[@lilyne200]

Reminds me of the planet-side Anti Ship Batteries in FTL

[@CMDROldDuck]

SE needs better camera controls so folk can make videos that aren’t so herky jerky.

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

Well from what I head It could be a lot easier if I used a controler. But also this wasn't really "a cinematic shot", rather a tossed together test demo at 2 a.m

[@albertkustra]

Stonehenge from ace combat

[@kinematograph791]

Would you be able to share the RocketFX settings you've used in the past with PMW missiles? I've been trying to recreate the look but can't figure it out.

[@Allegheny500]

This would also require a detection grid as 50K is beyond anything but active antenna range. Ships not broadcasting would be effectively invisible otherwise.

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

That is what is being done here. Sentry satellites with an autonomous detection radius of 10km (which is your extreme end of range for mod weapons with automated targeting, at least for any of the sensibly balanced mods) relay data to broadcast station in low orbit which connects to the ground artillery. Direct fire at these distances is quite literally impossible otherwise.

[@bladypiter]

Prepare for some mute MoFo to obliterate this base out of nowhere

[@sincereshanee6593]

excellent music choice

[@SammyWhiteley]

PLEASE upload this to the workshop.

[@c2games592]

Very cool! Any planned release date for artemis? I have been following this for a few months now.

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

No release date but there is a voluntary based alpha test going on in the discord (link for it in the recent vids)

[@ItsTheDoomSlayer]

@@mobiuscoreindustries I’m in the disc and would love to help test out the alpha but I haven’t seen where it’s available other than the documentation for it. Any way I could get in on that?

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

@@ItsTheDoomSlayer if you are in the discord just DM me, I'll get a few basic questions to know if you are experienced in PMW and then you will be in

[@ItsTheDoomSlayer]

@@mobiuscoreindustries I messaged you! Thanks!

[@jupiterbjy]

Somehow reminds me of Ace combat's Stonehenge

[@isaacklan3212]

WOW! I never seen a modded weapon before

[@nikkotan2840]

Tbh this railguns ammunition look like a pulse ion cannon.

[@RedStar441]

"Warning, ASB target locked!"

[@idkidk9204]

Basically the expanse lol

[@VolcanoQueen]

is there anyway I could use some of the mods you use, I've always seen them in your videos but I would never see any links to them

[@totallyahuman.2955]

Alright here's an idea. How about a long range cargo cannon (like yeeting stuff to other planets) with some kind of short range catching mechanism or tug to, well, catch?

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

I'd probably use the interplanetary missile guidance, just repurposed for cargo deliver. all it has to do is deploy parachutes as its deployement sequence and let itself glide into a grinder pit

[@xavierearnst6245]

@@mobiuscoreindustries that sounds amazing

[@vrboi6920]

I would love to see this used for Stonehenge from Ace combat.

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

Tried to with the kingsword guns. The issue is that they are so incredibly fat that the simulation speed tanks when they move.

[@romain5967]

Is this done by using a modded turret with extended range then slaving the player made turret to that with whips turret slaving script?

[@Epic0201]

Stonehenge ?

[@ignaciocorreaalvano648]

bruh, wtf, how to do survive that, thats likely firing from over 75km, 50km at least, thats INSANE and with that damage the defensive, just imagine that if at that range it misses by like 20-30m at most at about 60km, imagine when firing at like 5km or so, keep in mind the longest you can fire a gun from in the base game is a railgun at 2km, and this is literally doing suppresive fire to capital ships, or they warp away or they die

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

@ignaciocorreaalvano648 tbh it is very specifically a system that has to rely on either some extremely skewed server settings or (in the case here) relay targeting where another grid is spotting the target for the system to take aim at. It also need modded weapons that are compatible with such capabilities. Railguns and kingsword from the AWE pack have the capability for 50km travel distance and with high muzzle velocity they only need to spend a dozen seconds of flight to hit the target. Still makes it basically impossible to nail something that is accelerating and changing direction but anything not accelerating is going to have a bad time. One of the things I pair with such systems (in the theoretical, I would be fileding them) are guided missiles and/or drone swarm interceptor tied to a speedbreaker to quickly move in the target area. Unlike these un-guided long range shots, these can hit maneuvering and accelerating targets. And it puts the enemy in a bind since if they ever stop maneuvering to adress the threat of the drones, they will end up exposing themselves to the suppression bombardement. Though in reality the speedbreaker drones and missiles are by far the superior and most practical option as they can actually self sustain themselves and also identify targets once in engagement instead of needing some relay drone to tell them where the target is.

[@mesaultintensifies2491]

Any news about artemis script release?

[@clothpillow7218]

Will this be released anywhere???

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

@clothpillow7218 it's accessible from the Artemis beta program however since the lead coder form it has not been in a position to do much for years at this point, I would be recommending against pursuing application unless you are fine with a working but quirky script. That being said, I am working with cheerkin to make a similar thing based on APCK, and if things go well it would actually be superior to what can be done using Artemis turrets.

[@michaelwineberger6910]

How did you make such a thing exactly? did you use mods?

[@sirghostington6305]

Is this going to be on the workshop?

[@chrisstevens1180]

Can you please publish blueprint?

[@nikolajderburner7150]

Try Intergrid Communication (IGC) 😎

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

Well that is how this system works. IGC from orbital survey stations that see the ship, transmit to one of the defense stations which then bounces the signal to other stations. No designation system would give me 50km of range

[@nikolajderburner7150]

@@mobiuscoreindustries nice man 💪🏻

[@nikolajderburner7150]

@@mobiuscoreindustries do you upload it to the workshop?

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

@@nikolajderburner7150 it's in limited distribution for people that want to help in the testing and debugging. Right now it is fast too unstable and unpolished to be thrown in the workshop.

[@nikolajderburner7150]

@@mobiuscoreindustries okay. Have fun testing it 😁

[@renaudlelong2805]

Alternate name : AATIS or Iron Shield.

[@AudiaciousLife]

is this a modded railgun or do vanilla ones shoot that far?

[@thelastone0001]

How the hell are they tracking targets that far out?

[@zacharywolter]

What mods are you using?

[@NotHumanPerson]

What mods are you using

[@kurtokurtovic9173]

Song name please :) Thx

[@monke4173]

Peacekeeper 1 - Jose Pavli kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6C1p5ZorKueqdE&ab&ab_channel=JosePavli

[@kurtokurtovic9173]

@@monke4173 Thank you

[@blackapollo9851]

This would force someone to attack you by land making it almost pointless to try and attack you

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

You can defeat these. Despite their 50km range the absurd distance to cover means if you maneuver the shots won't hit you. At least not until you get closer. However Artemis is also a missile and drone control system. As you evade the shots, missiles are going to rise from their silos while stations in orbit will send combat drones at you. All of them can engage you at that range.

[@blackapollo9851]

@@mobiuscoreindustries can they also engage ground targets?

[@RedstoneDevil261]

I have been trying to keep up with these vids but... THERE ARE TOO MANY GOOD VIDS TO WATCH

[@Neuralatrophy]

How do you even target at that range ?!?!

[@A.Person.Who.Exists]

Wait modded weapons can shoot outside of view distance?

[@wingmaster1015]

Please put this on the workshop

[@stephanroy3120]

What mods are these?

[@vypergaming117]

God I hope we can get this on console

[@Beef1188]

Blow the ship into pieces... then blow up the pieces too!

[@roboticintelligenceunit1a652]

GIMMIE PLANET CRACKER PLEAAAAASE

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

I WOULD IF I COULD OKAY! I would need to find someone deranged enough to mod that in because that is 200% outside my capabilities

[@casianvulpe2055]

give me the workshop blueprint

[@angelmarc4151]

wow

[@nikolajderburner7150]

Wow

[@osirisjohnson5165]

Is the mod in console

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

Likely not. While Artemis can likely work on console as scripts are run server side, weaponcore definitely runs a lot of things clientside so AWE (the mod used for the railguns) would not work

[@osirisjohnson5165]

@@mobiuscoreindustries I didn’t notice your message

[@osirisjohnson5165]

But danm

[@cake6476]

*Marco Inaros has sent you a Trade Request*

[@FfblastBlogspot]

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