Wisdom, Delusion, Consciousness & the Divine | Dr. Iain McGilchrist | EP 436

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down in-person with psychiatrist, researcher, and philosopher Dr. Iain McGilchrist. They discuss right brain/left brain hemispheric specialization, the basis of delusion, “unknowing” as a necessary step toward wisdom, consciousness and the divine ground of being, and the imposition of mediocrity in the modern West.
Dr. Iain McGilchrist is a psychiatrist, neuroscience researcher, philosopher and literary scholar. He is a Quondam Fellow of All Souls College, Oxford, an Associate Fellow of Green Templeton College, Oxford, a Fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, and former Consultant Psychiatrist and Clinical Director at the Bethlem Royal & Maudsley Hospital, London. He has been a Research Fellow in neuroimaging at Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore and a Fellow of the Institute of Advanced Studies in Stellenbosch. He has published original articles and research papers in a wide range of publications on topics in literature, philosophy, medicine and psychiatry. He is the author of a number of books, but is best-known for The Master and his Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World (Yale 2009). In November 2021 his two-volume work The Matter with Things: Our Brains, Our Delusions, and the Unmaking of the World was published by Perspectiva Press.
This episode was recorded on March 17th, 2024
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(0:00) Tour update 2024
(0:40) Coming up
(0:59) Intro
(3:15) Hemispheric specialization
(8:21) How the left and right brain hemispheres operate
(12:39) Newness, grasping the individuality of the stimulus
(14:13) Dr. Peterson’s vision of complex knowledge, conceptualizing reality
(21:59) The basis of delusion, how reason leads you astray
(24:51) Network function as it relates to radical ideology
(29:06) To what degree can we know anything is true?
(34:29) Not all philosophy is valid
(35:47) Science ends with personal truth
(41:10) All is one, one is everything
(45:31) Why is there life? The coincidence of opposites
(48:14) The Kabbalah, ideas that reiterate across time and multiple religions
(51:11) How resentment maps with left brain overreach
(56:21) Unknowing as a necessary step toward wisdom
(58:07) The symbolism of the disembodied eye
(1:03:10) Consciousness and the divine ground of being
(1:07:43) The spiral ladder to heaven, togetherness and distinction
(1:10:10) Intention as a moral act
(1:14:26) The way in which you attend alters what you find
(1:18:46) The appearance of God as intuition
(1:24:55) How hemisphere damage impacts right/left functionality
(1:28:17) The relationship between your brain and the spiritual
(1:33:35) Bridging the idea of flow to the spirit of play
(1:38:10) Imposed mediocrity and the inability to avert disaster
(1:40:56) What Dr. McGilchrist is working on now
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[@davemayshow]

I got a job, I’m losing weight, I’m clean from drugs, and most importantly I have rebuilt burned relationships with the people I love. If you hate Jordan, then you hate yourself and I’m praying for you. Thank you Jordan, let’s go boys!

[@jimmyjamessac7171]

No I brotha, only Eye No No either Only know

[@jasonmethot9573]

Keep it up, you got this!!

[@arthurmurfitt7698]

Hahahaha 🫠

[@LucaMahler95]

Very good!

[@00yiggdrasill00]

Very well done. I will warn you though that part of the mentality you developed in all that mess is still there. It can come out in times of stress or pain, so watch for it and be careful of it in those times. Unfortunately my family has some generational experience in watching it happen. Though at this point I'm pretty hopeful direct experience won't come from my generation.

[@user-lk3gn4dn9o]

I'm glad Jordan has been going back to subjects other than politics recently. This is what i come here for.

[@zootsoot2006]

Find it fascinating to listen to these two reaching around in the dark to try and elucidate their murky thoughts. The Vedantists worked this all out thousands of years ago and it's all written down as clear as day.

[@TheReaper569]

Honestly i like both but i understand where you come from. Politics is inherently divisive.

[@DaveOu]

Politics suck ngl. Very interesting at first but once you’ve listened to enough of it… it all kinda just seems like obfuscation

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Dominion (2018)

[@RilfDanielson]

The funny thing is, this isn't separated from politics. It's just talking about topics you don't think relate to politics, but they do. The people JP normally is at odds with politically don't think about the topics discussed in this video for a second in their lives, ever. What constructs many people like JP's political views, myself included, is studying topics like the ones laid out in this video. You don't get a political view opposite of JP if you fully understand the gravity of what him and his guest are getting at here.

[@TeachingNFun]

The last time i listened to Dr. Peterson’s interview with Dr. McGilchrist was 3 years ago. I was working in Forensics and I decided to buy Dr. McGilchrist’s book, ‘The Master and His Emissary’. 3 years later, now 2024, here’s a new interview, and I am at Page 69/462 of Dr. McGilchrist’s book. Each page is so condensed and opens an entirely new door of this real estate called the brain. Just 69 pages in 3 years, the insights from the book has signposted me to complete 2 shortcourses on neurobiology, 1 course on mental and behavioural assessement and pursue a specialty in Crisis Assessment. The book also motivated me to purchase Antonio Damasio‘s book on consciousness. I can draw a detailed map of the brain and picture the factory of brain structures that churn out life processes. 69 pages only, yet so many rich stops and diversions I’ve taken. It’s so good to see the two men talk again. Thank you both for your endless dedication towards education. Thank you kindly.

[@RogerWilco66]

Same here. "The Master and His Emmissary" took me a over full year to read for the first time, because I got sidetracked by following the citations and book references, which were seemingly endless. It was like studying. I also booked edX courses in neuroscience to fill basic knowledge voids to understand what has been written. I had a similar experince with Petersons Maps of Meaning, which had a big impact on me many years ago. To see and listen to these two men in a discussion is a huge treat for me.

[@AbesYoutube]

​@@RogerWilco66I hear you Roger. I love taking notes when other authors are cited. It gives me authors for further reading on related topics. Often ones who take a contrary viewpoints and helps to fill out my understanding on the topics. Never stop learning. Those who have lost their childlike curiosity have become mentally stagnated due to their foolish pride. They have traded their passion for truth for the euphoria of vanity and have lost all perspective. I like Jordan because even when he is speaking to the ignorant he is trying to learn from them and about them because he knows that he cannot see all that is there. Humility is as endearing as pride is repellent.

[@chuglyc]

I’m with you on that. I had to take notes as I read in order to help with the comprehension of it. It was slow going but turned into a real joy.

[@RogerWilco66]

@@AbesKZbin Well said, my friend! It perfectly reflects my own notions.

[@joegrant413]

So I've read "The Matter of Things". (took a year!) Should I read "Master and the Emissary"? Does it cover much ground that is different? Thx.

[@GraceHarwood88]

The only downside to being a JP fan is finding the time to keep up with the incredible authors he hosts on his talks. What a mind to wander through. Awesome.

[@scual760]

This is so true haha, I come back to his channel and realize how many I’ve only gotten half way through

[@jamesmiller7457]

Yes, I was in the Army until i was 42. I was reading but more leadership stuff like Steven Pressfield and historical stuff. I am now reading stuff sililar to Dr. Peterson but his headstart is too much to overcome. I am jealous of his life's devotion to his work. He is fascinating.

[@michelle4688]

Legit!! It's a full time job, haha

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Dominion (2018)

[@ForgivenReverend]

Amen

[@larrydavid2807]

I like when Jordan talks with people he seemingly views as more intelligent as himself, he actually lets them speak.

[@amitabrillant7069]

Yes that I am glad about. Otherwise he dominates the conversation

[@RilfDanielson]

I've never seen him not let someone speak. Are you sure you just aren't conflating "he's being rude" to JP being more intelligent than someone so he naturally shuts their argument down, or talks more? Dumb people normally don't have much to say.

[@hidargy]

@@RilfDanielson on the contrary - dumb people have a lot to say. At least they think and act so.

[@RilfDanielson]

@@hidargy Nah that's the false dichotomy. Stupid people will keep talking but say the same thing over and over again. People stuck in one extreme ideology for example. Actually intelligent people will talk about a variety of topics. Just look at this video. They only talked about the same subject for about 10 mins on the longest pieces and this goes on for over 2 hours.

[@RilfDanielson]

@@pjl8119 I have felt that Dawkins has been becoming increasingly dogmatic recently

[@stvbrsn]

“Well, let me give you an example, and then you tell me what you think about this…” The fact that this phrase is uttered as frequently as it is (here and in other talks) speaks volumes to Dr. Peterson’s character and the fact that he is always conversing in good faith. Y’know, for all the critics out there who will never read this…

[@aaronsaint-james4419]

While I agree this is good, the fact Jordan regularly interrupts his guests before they can finish articulating what they think, undermines the sentiment. See the interview with Bret Weinstein for a great example of this.

[@azzy9358]

@@aaronsaint-james4419 Right? He often asks a question in good faith and jumps in to finish it as it would be according to him. Which is pretty bad. He also knows he does this and has not seem to try and do better with it.

[@henrikelanschuetzer4261]

Might be this is an EGO- PROBLEM?

[@RolfeSenpai]

@@azzy9358 I agree he does it, but I also don’t usually see the other person disagreeing afterwards. Meaning that he probably was accurate in what he was saying.

[@845karolewithak]

He works out of his right hemisphere a lot!!

[@carloshortas5083]

I watch a lot of stuff online. Discussions like these are the only things that make me feel alive, alert, aware, and in communication with real human beings who care and who have put in work on my behalf and on behalf of all of us who share the condition of incarnation. I really can't say enough about what this content is worth. Thank you for providing it for free. Thank you Jordan and thank you Dr. McGilchrist.

[@aga5109]

I completely agree !

[@billm8456]

Hey Carlos. I agree with you...makes me feel alive! "People are hungry"...I think especially men...we are hungry for deeper intellectual convo. What do you think about a bar...a political bar (there's sports bars, so why not), where you know you're coming for discussion. Multiple horseshoe shaped bars of 6-8 seats.

[@treheron]

@@billm8456actually that’s a pretty good idea.

[@rexweller3759]

Freemasonry is based on the Kabbalah. The revelations of the Kabbalah, if any , are masked by the power mad deception of having A Bible honored (supposedly) in ' Christian' lodges, the Torah in Jewish lodges , the Quran in Islamic lodges and the Baghavad Gits in Hindu lodges.' The Cloud of Unknowing' a medieval mystic text: l want I know God, but l will forget everything l know about God (the Christian God) and seek Him . But why would you want to forget everything Good in order to know God?

[@davidbaca2493]

Like sharpening a blade, everything else is practically making you lose braincells.

[@ginafarley6190]

This is why children are so much fun to be around, they’re not reducing, they’re allowing and expressing and experiencing.

[@sharpenedge]

Interestingly the same goes for people that are tripping.

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Dominion (2018)

[@nupraptorthementalist3306]

Keep having him as a guest. Perhaps the most important writer of the times.

[@DejanOfRadic]

The only man that has the ability to silence JP simply by the shear and obvious validity and integrity of his words. McGilchrist is the Jedi master we've all been waiting for.

[@PoezieRostita]

Awesome title for Dr.McGilchrist! A Jedi Master of The Mind, indeed.

[@williamarmstrong4428]

This is true intelligence. Their ability to relate neuroscience to politics, religion, philosophy, physics, psychology, and more is absolutely incredible, admirable, and almost intimidating. This is genius at work.

[@BenoitBenedict]

After so much struggles I now own a new house and my family is happy once again everything is finally falling into place!!

[@GabrielMacaulay]

I'm 37 and have been looking for ways to be successful, please how??

[@BenoitBenedict]

Thanks to my co-worker (Alex) who suggested Ms Mary Elizabeth Webb .

[@BenoitBenedict]

She's a licensed broker in the states 🇺🇸

[@BenoitBenedict]

After I raised up to 325k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states also paid for my son's surgery (Oscar). Glory to God.shalom.

[@ImaniClinton]

Think I started with Ms Mary Elizabeth Webb in 2021 and now my life is good, pretty much some thing to write home about!! I thank God the most He alone made it possible for the opportunity to come my way.

[@Max-ep5ir]

What I'd like to see more than anything is a full three hour talk between Peterson, McGilchrist, Vervaeke and Pageau in person. Gotta make it happen.

[@matthewparlato5626]

Yoooo

[@gb4375]

I’d take a vacation day to listen!!

[@ENFPerspectives]

No, it'd be worse than The View! Unless they set up a 5 minute time limit per question, debate style but not debate. There's too much interruption with just two people.

[@Max-ep5ir]

@@ENFPerspectives I loved the talk between the three of them excluding McGilchrist, one more person wouldn't make a difference.

[@faithbaasch4415]

That would be an amazing conversation 😍

[@aga5109]

Dr. Peterson, thank you for inviting Dr.McGilchrist back. It was such a great discussion & brilliant book he wrote! I understand external processes as the effects and manifestations of internal ones. "Radical simplification" in today's culture wars using simplifying algorithms. The basis of what is right or wrong comes from ideological identifications with ideological dogmas not from moral law also encoded in the Bible and the tradition, teachings. It is rightly called algorithmic, procedural, constrained, under control, left hemispheric, collapsing the complex into crude, over simplifying and blind to what else can be true. It is not wise. Our culture permeates with left hemispheric thinking and ideas. It simlifies and trivialises practically everythig. It perpetuates the Dunning - Kruger effect. The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people wrongly overestimate their knowledge or ability in a specific area. This tends to occur because a lack of self-awareness prevents them from accurately assessing their own skills. In the effects of trauma, a person disengages from reality as it is by turning to cognitive mechanisms that further distort what there is. A collection of distorted mechanisms builds distorted ideas, which form an illusion of reality - an ideology. This process happens again and again in human history. We are on the way to develop another one on a grand scale. I'd say the left hemispheric functions take part in it to curb the uncounscious the right hemisphere is more in touch with. It is a process of compressing reality into an illusion everyone should believe in for survival reasons. And act it out. To me, it seems in some part acting out traumas or brain malfunctions, where there is a lack of proper integration of its different functions on societal level. Partly due to a sudden rapture in trust and a safe relationship in trauma, one starts to believe that one can't believe his embodied experience because it is untrustworthy and dangerous. What it can cause is resorting to an illusion of the reality built by the defence mechanisms, which is internally safer and gets projected outward. World starts to operate in projection out of survival. There is a rupture in the process of integration of embodied experience and partly alienation from it. It brings alienation from reality as it is also from "the uncounscious, "the realm of God, and embodied experience and deep emotions. It is like being out of touch with processing of a process of reality, aggreviting alienation from oneself, God, others, reality as an effect. It is like being stuck in a frozen picture of reality in ever changing flow and evolving process of life. The culture that is built from the frozen frame acts as an epigenetic mechanism shaping phenotypic expressions passed on to the next generation - transmission of trauma. BRILLIANT podcast! Thank you!

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: - To defend,support an Apartheid - Righteous or Evil?

[@aga5109]

​@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeingsWhat is greater evil ?

[@chriskenney4377]

Jordan: your best interview. Not only is Iain McGilchrist a treasure, but you gave him his lead to make his points and gave very powerful expansions. Very very good discussion.

[@SacraTessan]

But Iain have so much more to give

[@revrej16]

Dr. Peterson, I have been a Protestant minister for over 40 years (although I abhor the label), a businessman, and a high school science teacher. I have found your materials both stimulating and validating across both the disciplines of faith and science. I think you are performing an amazing service to the world with your books and talks. I was exposed to your lectures on Genesis somewhat post-hoc of some of the thoughts I've held about creation, meaning, and purpose for humankind. But I've also been inspired with the new and fresh insights you provide about those subjects, in particular the essence of the Garden of Eden and man's expulsion. Man's responsibility to 'dress' and 'keep' the Garden was his first and major betrayal of God's trust-even deeper than his transgression of eating the forbidden fruit (whatever that was). Your description of 'bringing order out of chaos', and man's responsibility to continue that theme on earth, is-in my opinion-spot on and has been a life-changing paradigm shift for me from attending to traditional religious roles. While I imagine the chances of your reading this comment are miniscule, I have read that you peruse your comments. So on the off chance you ever get to this, thank you for your work. It has meant as much to me in guiding my thoughts as any religious speaker or writer I can think of.

[@wp912]

Do you know much about the origins of the old and new testaments? Have complete original manuscripts ever been recovered or verified? I am reminded of the fiasco revolving around the discovery of the supposed dead sea scrolls some years ago now that all turned out to be modern forgeries. How as well, do you verify other aspects of the bible, such as the books by various apostles, whose authorships have never been authenticated, let alone character referenced. Could you explain what you base your faith in your religion on? By the way, I do believe in one true God, I just do not agree that Christianity or the bible are based on divine revelation.

[@BreakOutOfTheAlgorithm]

👍 If JBP has inspired you to be a better person? 🤔

[@areus19891]

i tidy up my room everyday cuz of him not cuz of my parents :D:D

[@artifundio1]

Yes! And I no longer cast pearls before swines... 🤐

[@JohnintheTyranny]

Yes! And I identify as a lobster say!

[@Neoteny374]

I saved my father from the belly of the whale.

[@joncampbell5021]

I have a family, and care deeply about the health of myself, my family and my community… as opposed to the nihilism I was trapped in before I ever heard the name, Jordan Peterson.

[@NicholasMGlasson]

The Holy Grail of guests! Yes! Thanks for having Dr. Iain back. Brilliant mind!

[@Liktur]

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[@dranreb1118]

Sometimes I wish I could read all the books Ian has but then I realize that would take a lifetimd. The Master and His Emissary alone is already so dense with philosophical, religous, and scientific content. A true genius.

[@NicholasMGlasson]

Such a great read huh? It's a slog but absolutely fascinating

[@jordanheath5258]

WOOO

[@castirondude]

@@dranreb1118 I would recommend the documentary, I bought it and it's worthwhile

[@constanceham6497]

Another view, another thought. I started taking piano lessons at age 7. I continued taking lessons into my mid twenties. My college major was piano. I'm 80 years old. I believe playing the piano effected me in a very positive way. The hands have 5 fingers each, & there are times all 10 are doing different things on the piano. One part will be legato, another staccato & different fingers will play loud as others play soft. I read that one hand effects one side of the brain & the other hand the other side. Playing is physical, mental, emotional all at the same time. Plus the foot is using the pedal. Do you think that playing the piano could be connected to what you & your guest discussed? Other instruments, like a flute, use all the fingers, but only play one note at a time. All the memorizing, & practice, have helped me in older age to stay bright, & curious & remember small details other family members have forgotten.

[@bencochrane6112]

I've recently started playing piano myself (or at least become more formal in learning). It feels like a bit of a weird instrument to me, in that there's a disconnect to the music. It's the fact that you're pressing keys to make music happen, as opposed to putting your breath into it, or making contact with the vibrating surface in someway. To give an analogy, it feels a bit like the video game version of music - press key to make sound happen, in the same way a game controller is press button to make character move. This is not to say it's any less of an instrument compared to a flute or a guitar, but I think the disconnect promotes a level of abstraction to the music that isn't there in others. When you blow a trumpet it is your literal breath making the music, a bit like singing with extra steps. My point in relation to this conversation and your comment, is that the piano is probably more of a right brain instrument compared to others- a bit more open and analytical since there isn't a specific "right way" to make the music (barring some accepted and sensible to learn fingering techniques). Other instruments have some very specific movements or actions you need to take to get the right note. It also is probably more of an "overseer" instrument, in that the player literally sits above all the notes and can access them at any time - not to say that you can't say the same for a trombone, but it is harder to replicate the same versatility as the piano.

[@marsrideroneofficial]

Playing piano is: left hand's the bass; right hand's the lead guitar and if you can sing along and look and nod at your audience is a level up. I also saw a piano in a large bicycle on line and that's above the stratosphere in terms of connections in the brain.

[@wp912]

Interesting theory but speculative and anecdotal at best. It could very well be that you just so happen to have a better memory and coincidentally played the piano when you were younger. Correlation does not equal causation. Many old people with impressive cognitive abilities never played musical instruments when they were younger.

[@protonjones54]

I like it when Jordan does his little finger piano thing as he's laying out a complex idea

[@pop6997]

These two LOVE each others company. I like listening to them loving eachothers company 😅

[@reynaj.perdomo]

I just wanted to express my gratitude to Dr. Peterson for having Dr. Iain McGilchrist back on the podcast. This particular episode is one of my favorites, right after the one with Dr. Camille Paglia. I also wanted to thank Dr. McGilchrist for emphasizing how crucial it is, now more than ever, that we change our paradigm. I truly hope that this message can help many people understand the "vital" importance of this shift. As Einstein once said, 'The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift."

[@sharonrich8298]

Thank you both very much!!! My husband had a right CVA losing the entire middle of his right hemisphere. You explained why he became a “demanding toddler” with his left brain dominating and why he rejects information that contradicts his decisions no matter how obvious to the rest of us, like a unplugged extension cord causing something not to work and not that it was broken. I would appreciate practical application of your research to help loved ones and care givers interact with stroke victims in a more healthy and productive way. His therapists have certainly helped him, but having heard this brief, but dense exchange I can’t help but conclude that the therapists could gain much more from application of your research.

[@user-lk3gn4dn9o]

I love how he's speaking at both Jordan and the audience. Very engaging.

[@theboldcraftsman]

Two men who are full of love. Thank you for the peace I feel after listening to such genuine honesty in a modern world filled with evil deceit.

[@NanaWilson-px9ij]

I've never encountered Dr McGilchrist before. What a brilliant, caring human being.

[@johneden2033]

Can we petition Jordan to just have a weekly podcast with Iain?

[@anialiandr]

Or at least monthly.

[@patrickcormick2906]

Feedback- you often spoke over your guest while he was trying to elaborate on his answer to your questions. That said, I greatly admire and respect you for your enormous contribution to helping us understand ourselves, navigate the world and find meaning in our lives. I also greatly admire your courage in speaking truth to power despite the backlash.

[@haroldchaney2812]

My sentiments exactly. Very well said. Thank you.

[@afringedgentian5426]

Oh my goodness, Dr. Peterson, I am not just interested in the Gospel seminar- I am thrilled to my heart that you are undertaking this! I wanted to share a story about the power of the Gospel stories in the hope it may help someone. A number of years ago, the tragic events that culminated in making me a single mum of two small children unfolded, and left me in desperate agony and uncertainty and terror. My brother came over, poured me a glass of medicinal wine, held my hand, and read to me from John’s Gospel. I pleaded with him “Just read me some Gospel.” And John’s Gospel was the most comforting thing anyone could give me in that dark time, because it wasn’t preaching and it wasn’t platitudes and it wasn’t “thou shalt and thou shalt not”, it was just Jesus. The embodiment of the logos. And you don’t know God is all you need till God is all you’ve got. My prayer is that the Gospel seminar might be that for someone. With Ruth Anne’s love.

[@GODHATESADOPTION]

The most printed gospel for this reason

[@GODHATESADOPTION]

John 15

[@jayjaychadoy9226]

What gospel seminar?

[@aga5109]

Ruth, l am happy for you. God bless you !

[@maytt675]

Beautiful. A true brother.

[@LittleBox87]

I love Dr. Iain Mcgilchrist ❤ Such a deep and wide mind on this amazing man. My brain grew for an inch listening to this conversation, I feel so inspired and smarter than I was before 1,5 hours ago. Thank you gentlemen! Dr. Peterson, please try to reduce interrupting and intercepting your guests. It's a very stubborn and seemingly un-dealth trait you have. Other than that, I absolutely adore your podcasts! ❤ Please bring Dr. Mcgilchrist again!

[@jessefranckowiak]

"Yeah well it's easy to fall prey to the delusion that more connection is better". Brilliant, profound, and inspirational thank you Dr. Peterson

[@jessefranckowiak]

See now I like him again

[@animula6908]

Good fences make good neighbors applies to information sharing too, even between sides of a single brain

[@siyaindagulag.]

@@animula6908 corpus barbed-wire collosum....? or.. Corpus paling collosum.? Is it a choice? I've heard It's 99.94 % leaning to the former .( inhibitory). 😎🤣

[@jeremybrimmer1990]

There you go then

[@Toll_Booth_Willie]

As a left handed person in my early 50s I am really looking forward to this interview.

[@ShonjiPowerOf2]

Lefties for the win! Lol😂

[@TheeFitnessEnthusiast]

What does you being left handed have to do with McGilchrist?

[@ShonjiPowerOf2]

@@TheeFitnessEnthusiast a reference to pop-science, they say that your brain hemisphere controls the opposite side of the body. He mentions that it's obvious to him people are mostly right handed therefore left control brain. I don't see much that proves left handed people use their right brain more. it's a funny thing for lefties to say "we are in our right mind"

[@njkf]

He says the left hemisphere controls the right hand for grasping

[@NanaWilson-px9ij]

I'm a left handed person who was forced into using my right hand. I've often wondered if this has rewired my brain in unusual ways, helped me or hurt me.

[@bakerco5286]

What a delight to be able to watch this conversation between two very wise older men who are speaking the 'same' language - engaged in learning and teaching simultaneously as they speak and share what they have learned and know so well. Learning is life long - exhilarating …it just keeps gets better and better and better. So lovely to have been able to 'spend' this evening with these two gentleman. Thank you.

[@GroundBeef1]

Wow this conversation was AMAZING. Definitely one of my favorite episodes!

[@westfieldartworks8188]

Dr. McGilichrist is one of the most interesting men I've ever listened to on your podcast or any other. I remember the interview from two years ago, or was it three years ago now. Dr. McGilichrist is really a stunning intellect. Thank you for bringing him on again. Okay, time start the video. Cheers.

[@genoinjian7729]

This is what you do to learn what your left brain and right brain are saying. Learnt to write with your opposite hand. I was terrible in school & couldn’t retain the info I read. Once I learned to write left handed & write cursive too it become easier to remember & retain the information I learned. Wish I would have done this in highschool. Started with my throwing arm getting hurt so I learned to throw left handed to keep playing baseball

[@ENFPerspectives]

Agree!

[@alissahhodges5854]

While doing this I thought it was fascinating that I can write better backwards with my left then forward? Strange and fascinating how our brains work.

[@michaelpease2103]

I did this in middle school after breaking my right arm in football. I wonder if it's had long lasting effects over 20 years later? I was basically left handed for 6 weeks.

[@stvbrsn]

I used to do this when I was a kid. The most interesting thing I remember about it was that when writing with my non-dominant hand, if I didn’t concentrate hard, my hand naturally tended to form the letters backwards!

[@debrachilcott7179]

Agreed! Thank you for sharing this!! I taught myself in college to write with my right hand bc of writer's cramp. I learn by writing and taking voluminous notes, so in the pre-computer days, learning to write with my other hand was a necessity. You definitely think differently depending on the hand used. Ever since, I have striven for ambidexterity in all I do. It is a great challenge when you are "bored," too, to learn to do something w a non-dominant limb.

[@jollyroger9286]

Just dropped what I'm doing to listen to this talk

[@Aaron-ck2nr]

Bet your Mrs was disappointed 😢😅

[@user-gf1rr5sf5w]

Me too ! Australia

[@MrVaypour]

I'm 8 minutes in & have to pause, think & rewind. Wow, this is sheer revelation!

[@afringedgentian5426]

With regard to attention, I was thinking of a line from Mary Oliver, our great New England poet: I don’t know what a prayer is. But I do know How to pay attention. Deeply moved by this beautiful conversation. Such a delicate and graceful intellectual dance, or perhaps a verbal fencing match. I’ve never been so sure that Dr. Peterson is finally really really healthy- completely himself again and lucid in thought and fluent in speech once again. And thus the two great minds can finally properly meet and the promise of the first tentative conversation can be answered years later!

[@Tubekonto9]

Dr. Peterson has the best guests. I love it when he discusses psychology. Thank you for a great episode!

[@jcstuart6978]

One of the top 3 best talks I’ve seen from Dr JP. ❤

[@michaelmoore4061]

Thank you for getting the university out of the way of my learning.

[@CarliMichelle]

Can’t even tell you how much I needed some Iain McGilchrist x JBP in my life today. What a gift. Thank you Dr. Peterson. 🙏🙏

[@Milestonemonger]

I watched your interview with Dr. Iain McGilchrist many years ago. To this day, I still refer to the notes I took from that riveting conversation.

[@visualapologetics4891]

Same here!!

[@craydehiyade3862]

Last night I randomly remembered learning about Ian Mcgilchrist in philosophy class and I remembered the day years ago that JP had a podcast with him, and Lo and behold I wake up and the first thing on KZbin is this episode

[@pjurko]

Synchronicity

[@touchedbygracetoday]

Happenstance? Coincidence? Stroke of luck? I call it God's perfect timing... mysterious way... grace.

[@oaktreeman4369]

Dr. McGilchrist is one of the great thinkers of our time. He has a rich and fascinating mind. I love listening to him.

[@andylowe364]

I’m reliably motivated to think, deeply when I listen to JBP and when he has an exceptional guest. I build my reading list, constantly and haven’t been let down with any of that. Your conversations build better humans and I thank you both for bearing that load. Many thanks.

[@chuglyc]

The Master and His Emissary is great. The Matter of Things is Fantastic…whatever else you write I will be reading. Thank you for your work.

[@janet6962]

That was fabulous. It gave me quite a bit to think about and I just bought Dr. McGilchrist's book. I can't wait to read them! Thank you for showing the whole interview on KZbin, I was happy to have watched the whole interview.

[@jacobwineteer]

Just finished this interview, thankyou so much for having this discussion. It was truly engaging and inspiring and motivating!

[@suecolmerhor]

Ian is such a brilliant mind, but by far his best quality is his beautiful heart , such a gentleman

[@Hforoooo]

So glad you have him on again. He needs your audience reach, and I like your talks much more when they revolve around psychological topics.

[@strengthandhonor-ui7fg]

I really liked this one! Thank you for inviting him! And thank you for your work Dr. Peterson! Greetings from Brazil!

[@anialiandr]

Thanks Jordan. My research and that of my students sits squarely between you Ian McGilchrist and many others you have mentioned in your talks plus a few more. Ian is a jewel in our science so thank you for having him again . ❤

[@JH-vs5wr]

Always love conversations with Dr. McGilchrist. Highly recommend his book!

[@castirondude]

Communicating too much - Amen to that! I know of some people who talk all the time and it's hard to even function around them. Same for technology. I went back to just a basic cell phone and a desktop computer in a computer room because having technology that overcommunictes just scatters your thought patterns so much it's hard to function.

[@emilygrootkarzijn6944]

Such an amazing watch, thank you Jordan! Fascinating topic and love the connections made. One of my favourites recently!

[@buckmazz]

Talks like this are invaluable. Getting to see to people like this pick each others brains is amazing..

[@terryasmus719]

I'm such a Dr. Peterson fan that I never miss a single talk on KZbin. Thank you Dr. Peterson for all the lessons I have learned.🙏

[@tomdixon1213]

On a gloomy, dark, cold Monday night, there is nothing like a great, warm two hour discourse from Dr Peterson with an informed guest. Thank you 🙏 ❤

[@ZacharyDial]

My favorite guest Jordan ever talks to. I was so happy to see this happen. 😁

[@peterfrance702]

A very enjoyable conversation. Thank you gentlemen!

[@user-we2qv1cx6x]

I always find Ian facinating. Love the way he speaks and describes things. He is able to poetically describe science in a cool interesting way.

[@jax_pax_channel_podcast]

An excellent conversation between two great thinkers! Thanks for sharing

[@anithaca9985]

Thanks a lot sir for clarity in thoughts and also for strength when confused. Understanding the hemispheres makes everything more familiar.

[@melbbb5673]

wow, this was amazing! You are right, we just want to hear intelligent discussion about topics!

[@vincentbatson4523]

❤ knowledge used properly is powerful

[@lucasinator]

Insane coincidence I was just thinking about how the verbal part of my brain always struggles to fully encapsulate the highly complex abstract thoughts that my right brain has. And boom this video is out😅

[@martinarooney6102]

God's little gift to you 😊

[@SS-qk8oc]

Don’t struggle with that! Have fun with it! Explore, not struggle….. Curiosity, not control. Supposedly, Jung told one of his students “You don’t need to worry about the external world. If you serve your inner world, your inner world will take care of everything.” (Since your unconscious is in charge anyway…..) The student had a successful career, wrote many books, trained other Jungians, helped many people, was successful in the outer world for sure…all by aligning with his own daemon…..

[@grantfrith9589]

Yes, curiosity looks to me to be a direct path to right hemisphere thought and an antidote to the "Certainty" that corrupts us.

[@lauraross9005]

Excellent! Engrossing, enjoyable and inspiring! Thank you both!

[@ZachAttack2U]

What a deep and fantastic discussion amongst 2 brilliant minds. Thank you for this content, Dr. Peterson!

[@rebeccapenders5050]

The audiobook version of The Master and His Emissary is complimentary with an Audible subscription! Great interview ❤

[@mills8102]

An incredibly fruitful discussion. I appreciate the sharing and comparing of models. Thank you 🙏

[@irawhitlock1084]

Just can’t get over how good these interviews are. Unprecedented.

[@stendaalcartography3436]

This was one my favorite episodes of late, and that's saying a lot because I loved every episodes.

[@kintsugi2262]

Sir Jordan, you are my beloved dad.. a dad i never had!! i really love you, please stay healthy always, cuz m gona meet you someday.. hug you n cry !! 💜💜🌸🌸💜💜

[@markdove5930]

Totally sounds like stalking 😂

[@kintsugi2262]

@@markdove5930 stop watching wrong kinda porn.. or stop littering on youtube, keep that inside your mind..

[@kintsugi2262]

@@markdove5930 stop warching wrong kinda p*rn.. may be litter somewhere else or just keep it inside.. nobody is interested in it!!

[@kintsugi2262]

@@markdove5930 Stop watching wrong kinda corn .. litter somewhere else or just keep it inside your mind.. nobody is interested in you..!!

[@kintsugi2262]

@@markdove5930 you sound like you watching wrong type of corn.. Litter somewhere else or just keep it to yourself and enjoy your imaginations.. nobody is interested in you..!!

[@TheMATHEHOUSE]

I absolutely love timestamps, keep it up. Also, i loved ur talk with destiny.

[@MagnusFrauter]

I'm about 2/3 through and I'm finding it absolutely fabulous.

[@T3hJimmer]

I've always had this vague sense that my mind was split between an active but somewhat dumb agent and a brilliant but passive agent. This chat was excellent for making clear this idea and detailing the mechanics of how it works.

[@LightCyrus]

Great conversation. You should have him on again.

[@ladycactus110]

Here to understand how my TIA affected my clumsiness in many matters!

[@robritoboy]

This guy gets it. I was meditating the other day and found myself sort of in 'golden time' (I'm really not sure I get there, but the idea is not to want it), and I don't know why but I decided to look around for my 'identity'. I found which felt to be a 'winning machine' inside. It was something that just wanted to win no matter what, and to do whatever was necessary to win. It would assess instantly and have an action to produce a win of any kind, and it's seemed extremely tied to anxiety. It was anxious if it couldn't find a win, but that's all it was trying to do, get that win. It seemed like a ball of tangled actions and relations attempting an overall big win of everything, but would shoot off smaller actions for any win if possible which may contribute, and at least allay fears or give us a little good feeling rather than the feeling that we would never win. Later when I was thinking more about what I felt (even though I had an image in my head about it), I could see that it was used to fight and survive, an ancient mechanism that would act instantly to do whatever it could to win whatever it needed to win. And we're still using it today. An example I could put these feelings towards would be, if you are playing a game of tennis, you try to win, but if you loose, you may walk to the net and say something a bit sarcastic just to get that little win that you really needed. I think we use this all the time in our lives, thinking if we are losing at anything and everything, we just want to take little wins to abate our anxiety. We feel as though we have to do it to relieve that anxious feeling. So putting all this into the context of the discussion in the video, maybe the left hemisphere contains our ego, and really our ego is a winning/fighting machine that we find it extremely hard to control, that uses anxiety to get us to act to win fights and survive. In modern man this has translated to the social fight. To win socially. And control of that ego really is what we call 'socialisation', which is not to be selfish and do what our ego instantly tells us, but to give that up and suffer that anxiety as instead the society itself will look after us, if that contract actually exists. The less that contract with society exists that will look after us, the more selfish we will become to look after ourselves and let the winning machine do it's thing. As an aside, as soon as I tried to think about what this meant during meditation, the feeling was completely overridden by a memory of an event, and an image of that event squelched the feeling from view and it was lost. Just giving my discoveries from meditation, hope it helps.

[@andrewbosela764]

In the middle of reading "The Master and His Emmisary" . Great book! Looking forward to listening to the interview today while on the jobsite.

[@jxeh1442]

JBP getting a lot better at podcasting I think - far less interruption which makes listening a lot better.

[@calebgodard4554]

Good to know! I've listened less despite excellent guest quality because I couldn't stand the interruptions but will watch this now. Thanks for commenting this

[@ladycactus110]

It’s a work in progress 😅

[@afringedgentian5426]

Oh what a TREAT. I have enjoyed watching Dr. Peterson and Dr. McGilchrist talk since their very first conversation over five years ago, that we all wished were two hours instead of half an hour! Dearest Dr. Peterson, my heart is overflowing with joy for Tammy to have found her spiritual Home in the Catholic Church! I saw all the pictures and interviews and she is just glowing and radiant. I loved the interview you two had, and my heart is full of a thought I wanted to share. I think perhaps God has called you to be an ecumenical follower of Christ unaffiliated with any denomination, in order that you can speak to all Christians, everywhere, without your words being dismissed by Christians outside your chosen denomination. I’ve also seen how the different denominations pull and tug on you wanting you to join them and it’s less love for you, deep knowing of you and where you are on your faith journey, and more a means of trying to exercise power and control over you and choose you as a mascot for their team. I am a lifelong follower of Christ and I know intimately how ugly our Christian testimony can be and how we can ruin it with our arrogance and our selfish pride. And that would hurt you terribly to have denominations fighting over you and tearing you apart, and I don’t want you to be hurt. I am also concerned about a strong movement of anti intellectualism in evangelical Christianity that constantly demands you to give up your intellect to gain faith. I do not believe that God Who gave you your intellect intends for you to forgo its use; I believe God intends for you to use your God given intellect and reason and sense for the glory of God, even as also you do, so that you might be a bridge to other intellectuals who are finding their way. And so I think you both are right where you need to be. And you two are so precious to me. With Ruth Anne’s love and Eastertide blessings.

[@philwalkercounselling]

Incredible interview

[@christinec5004]

I really enjoy you're podcast Jordan and Dr Lain McGilchrist, thank you for sharing your ideals and concepts that alot of people dont look out our Shadow self... Keep being true to virtue and being honest... the flow. the duality of life "Bitoku"

[@user-xv9dn9df7y]

Jordan, You are looking healthier in this video... Continued prayers for you and your family... 💕🙏🏼💕

[@moms.gardenia]

I’m looking forward to your book. This interview was deep.

[@mosthatedminnesotan]

I could listen to these 2 talk for hours and hours! What an incredibly intellectual exchange!

[@domenicolopez1048]

This lecture answered so many of my questions regarding intuition, God, call to adventure, unknown, part/whole (matter/form), geometric representations for ontology.

[@rodcameron7140]

It is always a joy to listen to Dr. McGilchrist. His way of looking at life resonates very deeply with me, even though I don't agree with him on everything. I also thoroughly enjoyed the elucidation of the equivocating of the stories of religion to the workings of the human psyche. Having studied many different belief systems, that is not an avenue I have explored in any detail. It was enthralling the whole time. Thank you both.

[@ExecutiveZombie]

Mind blowing 😳🤯 GRATEFUL 🙏🏽

[@gameaudioshaman]

Always a good talk between those two.

[@weed...5692]

I love Jordan and how he constantly interrupts Iain to insert his remarks.

[@mountainman9751]

great stuff so far !!

[@zachvinka6764]

High replay value to this episode!

[@carakerr4081]

Looking forward to listening to these two great minds. As a Catholic I am always interested in Spiritual discussions. God bless you both 🙏

[@kerimcclain5148]

Iain McGilchrist is quite possibly my favorite person on earth

[@jackbarton4938]

So glad you're talking to McGilchrist. Nothing elucidates the nightmare of the modern world and all its small-minded dorks with their shallow reductive views on reality quite like him and his hemisphere theory.

[@siyaindagulag.]

heah! heah !

[@joegrant413]

They’ve spoken before on the podcast. You might want to search and find it. It was a great discussion.

[@williamkoscielniak7871]

Agreed. There are many great thinkers who have critiqued modern reductionism (materialistic or otherwise), but no one has done it with a greater combination of philosophic imagination, scientific thoroughness, and beautifully crafted and perfectly lucid prose as McGilchrist. The man is the single most important philosopher of the 21st century, and 'The Matter With Things" is the single greatest work of philosophy in at least a quarter century.

[@SeleckPlays]

me likey mcgilchrist

[@ENFPerspectives]

1:14:00

[@morgansmith3270]

What a fascinating, brilliant man