The Beautifully Confusing Trinity

One God, in three distinct persons?? Confusing, we know.
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[@JereanafolloweroftheWay]

Y’all did an excellent job on discussing the Trinity! I’ve always said we must avoid trying to explain the Trinity with “human” terms, God is not like us He is different. But what He has revealed about Himself in scripture we must believe/embrace. I look forward to the day when we will see Him as He is and be made like Him (I John 3:2) and even then He will still be greater! What an amazing God we serve!🙌🏽

[@beejones0509]

I think the true issue is that Christians truly have difficulties understanding the Trinity/Godhead, so they can’t explain it well. It is okay to use human analogy. Jesus did the same while explaining the parables. He used objects that humans are familiar with, so that we can gain understanding of the gospel. This is done throughout the Bible. Personally, I would use the same tool, such as, the different forms of water, however, I wouldn’t explain it as it TRANSFORM from one form of water/entity to another. I would present the three states of water at the same time but say the Father, The Son and Holy Spirit are one in character, nature, principles, and purpose, but each has different role in the plan of salvation. The three states of water are the same: chemically (nature of it/ substance are the same). They are not the same physically (play different roles). It is impossible for Him to do evil. Except when God (Jesus Christ) came in a form of man, then He was tempted in all points of evil, but chose to never sin, for our sake. When we read things in the Bible that occurred and appears to be unjust, we need to remember that we are not God and He can read hearts of men. He is and always a just God. I love how they explained that God was never alone and He is Love; it was enlightening. It explains the importance of fellowship with brethren and the purpose of marriage. Don’t forsake the assembly of the brethren. It is not good to be alone. It just makes me think of those who struggle with depression and low self esteem. How they think that no one is like them, so they isolate themselves become subjected to more of Satan’s tact/torture. I realize that he uses the same exact formula (tact) on everyone but you wouldn’t know bc you don’t want to talk to anyone or the thoughts appears to be so believable and reasonable.

[@DP-bx5fg]

@@beejones0509 1. I want chapter and verse that the Father is a person 2. I want chapter and verse that the Holy Spirit is a person 3. I want chapter and verse that Jesus is the second person of the godhead 4. I want chapter and verse that the Holy Spirit is the 3rd person of the godhead 5. I want chapter and verse God is 3 persons 6. I want chapter and verse that His spirit is shared by 3 persons 7. Was the apostles disobedient for not bringing up Father and Holy Spirit in the baptism? 8. If God is our Father, why Stephen called him Lord Jesus in Acts 7:59? 9. If God is three persons, why Stephen responded only the 2nd person in Acts 7:59 10. In Mark 13:32 does the Holy Spirit is included for not knowing the day and hour of Christ's return? 11. How do the scriptures reveal to you that the Holy Spirit is lower rank than the Son of Man, if Jesus said if you blasphemy against the Holy Spirit you will not be forgiven but will be forgiven if it’s against the Son of Man? 12. Who is the Great Dragon, the Old Serpent, and the Devil?

[@leahjames6870]

If you want to believe what is told in scripture, then let go of man made philosophies and believe the words of Jesus. He said that The Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD John 17:3.

[@DP-bx5fg]

@@leahjames6870 Are you referring that to me?

[@Honey-Bee-25]

Wow, I love the way you wrote this comment, "what He revealed about himself in scripture we must believe or embrace." It really is a relationship and intamcy with the Holy Spirit & relevant to how people struggle with relationships today, and may be why so many are struggling in relationships in general, now that I think about it. Trusting enough to let someone lead. Idk why, but the first thing this made me think of was a relationship & being intimate with the Holy Spirit, like in a union. Not in an inappropriate way, but in a way that allows trust and vulnerability.

[@party320]

All I know is God is good, and I'm grateful for Him. Just a child reaching up for the hand and looking for the Face. ❤

[@junoe983]

Jackie, I first met you only about a year ago and your confidence about the scriptures left me feeling less than adequate. However the more I fought against listening to what you have to say. the more God kept bringing me back to you. The reason is slowly becoming obvious! Thank you. Preston was brilliant too. Ps: the world is shrinking by the minute. I live in Sierra Leone/West Africa and was able to catch this today 🙏🏾

[@savedbyGodsgraceinJesusChrist]

Also when Jesus is being baptized by John, Mathew 3: 16 " As soon as Jesus was baptized, he(Jesus) went up out of water. At that moment heaven was opened and he (John) saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him(Jesus). And a voice from heaven(God) said, " this is my son in whom I love; with him I am well Pleased." In this instance all three are present.

[@menelikmoore4510]

He’s such a good father! I am a believer and in my efforts to actually be learned the trinity has been kinda confusing in a way! I’ve been having conversations in my head like “I want to know you more” and I actually prayed that, then this video! Thanks for being an answered prayer🙏🏽

[@LionMillz]

VA has a very close dialect to Chicago..

[@DennisDelemar]

Trinity belief is Sun (Baal, Nimrod) Worship! The Messiah was brought forth BY the Father in the Beginning, that is why He is the only BEGOTTEN Ban (Son)!

[@playthislick]

A mystery can never be understood. So how can you have faith in something or someone mysterious??

[@MosesHanma]

Satan answered you, not YAHWEH homie 😂.

[@kimberlyturner820]

Her hair is exquisite.

[@oluwajuwonaniemena6799]

I was praying the other day, a little bit frustrated at a situation I was dealing with and I went Holy Spirit, Jesus and God Almighty, one of You must be hearing me. Please help me out here!!

[@Whatdidijustsee00]

I put this on while working and the amount of times I’m being distracted by this sound doctrine to gasp and write notes is unbelievable! I will need to relisten again when I’m just chilling because this is 🔥🔥🔥

[@noxible]

This is so important 👏. Especially when you have people that say they love God but reject Jesus and His salvation. God help us all

[@azaniablandine7642]

As per usual, this is so informative. I'm so grateful for your ministry especially her ein social media where all over the world we get to part take and learn with understand. I love you fam. Bless you.

[@jcdisciple123]

Again such a great and informative podcast. Thanks for walking through the water metaphor and explaining the flaw in it because this is what I was taught and believed. Off topic- Would y'all be open to a podcast about marriage- protecting it/why we see so much divorce in the Christian community/etc.?

[@deez596]

I love the banter before y'all get into the topic. Plss keep that

[@latoshiakeller462]

I just LoVe this wisdom you have shared with us. Thank you for expanding our minds on the TRINITY. You 2 ARE AWESOME 👏🏽

[@OzTalksHW]

26:05 - 27:54 woah, this connected a ton of pieces for me. Reaaaaaaally good!

[@brittneyperkins4704]

One of favorite videos! Loved and really appreciated this conversation! Y’alls flow just is so easy to listen to and so interesting! Also got the book you mentioned and started reading it and it has been AMAZING!! This book is literally making me want to read the Bible all over in light of seeing God as Father! Thank you so much for what you do! ❤️

[@chatwithdassah]

I'll sure listen to this a thousand times over🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@nae348]

God bless the Perrys. This video was super helpful in clarifying some of the points of major confusion about the Trinity for me. I really admire and love the way you guys bring across these concepts in a way that is easier to grasp. You have a special gift. Thank you for sharing with us. 🤍 May God continue to bless and protect you as you fulfill your purpose. You have inspired me and your faith is very encouraging.

[@tthree2005]

This was beautiful... absolutely so much information in this lesson.. I truly appreciate this...🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@Eve.H]

this is FIRE I Love it!!!

[@KarleaLove]

Well done guys, i watched one of my favorite apologist, bob of speakers corner aka bob the builder say something akin to love/mercy by nature is a transaction, if God is all loving/most merciful and has always been all loving/ most merciful if he isn't triune who was he all loving/most merciful to. You can't be eternally loving without someone to be loving to, you may have the potential to love but actually being all loving only starts when another party can benefit from the transaction of love We have a triune God that has always existed as one being in 3 persons hence always been in perfect union in love. Also sometime it's so hard when discussing this our human limitation causes us to use potential erroneous words like when Preston used people instead of persons which becomes problematic but I completely understand what he meant. I am forever grateful for the grace of God. Stay blessed everyone

[@ihekaji]

Yes! 31:05 - 32:05 sums it all up! This is why I get confused at times because I’m a Christian, raised in a Pentecostal church and we believe this also we just don’t call it Oneness because God is and as you both said He goes beyond our very understanding of space and time. But I agree and understand this video! Was blessed and will continue to walk in the constant revelation of Gods scripture ❤️

[@NellyMoseki]

Yoh 😅🙈 when he said this part 8:89 lol I know he was talking to me because I am one of the Christians who do sometimes struggle to describe in correct words what the Holy Trinity is. I'm still learning though. Thank you Jesus! And Thank you Perry's for your content. Always love learning from you both. God bless you! ❤🙏🏿

[@thelashmom]

I love y’all videos so much, you guys are two very interesting people.

[@josephine.a]

Looooved this conversation!

[@JoshuaTheLast]

I love what Preston says at 26:42 . I think you can even take it a step further in saying, proof that God in very nature IS Love is the fact that he exists, in very nature, as three distinct persons, which in order to continue existing, he has to love. Love is the ultimate existence so to speak. Crazy stuff man.

[@JosieLaBord]

Good word!!

[@lecy1075]

Very thoughtful analysis!

[@somethinggood9267]

The Trinity has always been a beautiful mystery for me. I tried to wrap my head around it and I just can't. I think I have believed in modalism once upon a time, and then was taught that that's not true. It's just really hard to fathom how it can be one God, three persons, different operations, yet they are all one. I think what you said during the video is very true, because God exists outside of space and time we can't fully understand His nature. Once we are in our glorified bodies, I believe we will understand. We are in the 3D world, but I believe God exists in another dimension. I hope that's not too weird of a thing to say

[@dianeross4522]

God exist in all dimensions simultaneously...

[@wordsbychayil]

Wow Preston be deep though, nice episode. Y’all should discuss more topics like this 👍🏽.

[@flourishingmomma3_7]

The fact that showed up as a "pot & torch" let's me know he is different lol😂 facts😂

[@y.reginajones]

A Masterclass. Thank you .

[@JRFletch24]

Funny thing is, at the beginning when Preston said that people probly digging their nose...... I ACTUALLY WAS!!!!! He made me pause for a minute lolol ..... Good episode though!

[@GentleBloom]

Me too...I was like...what was that🙈

[@garrettdrewellis]

@prestonperry Sir you better preach! How can you say you serve a God of love if God didn''t always have someone (Jeus & the Holy Spirit0, FROM THE BEGINING, to love? He loves and IS love because Has been doing so FOREVER. Whew! That is a WORD!!!

[@Ctiqua01]

This is so good ❤🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@terrenceshilowa9284]

God is Love

[@kimyattasatchel213]

👏👏👏🙌🙌🙌This was absolutely fantastic and an awesome way to explain THE GODHEAD and/ or TRINITY... the only thing I would have added is GOD revealed HIMSELF as ONE GOD in three PERSONS in Bodily Form to Abraham, so HE shows us in the old Covenant and in the new by inspiring Paul to refer to JESUS as The Fullness of THE GODHEAD BODILY... That's why I just love THE LORD so much because HE doesn't leave HIS people in the dark 🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@Lodeenie]

Can you please share that scripture?

[@kimyattasatchel213]

@@Lodeenie Genesis 18... and Colossians 2:9-14

[@Lodeenie]

@kimyattasatchel213 thank you so much!

[@jillianrawson5248]

I am thoroughly enjoying this pod….I have a question and I don’t know if you guys will see this but, here it goes….Jesus being called the Son of God, is there any connection or contradiction to the sons of God in Genesis 6. If Jesus is the Son of God then who are the Sons of God. Thank you for allowing this question. God Bless❤

[@Bubblybrownbwoy]

This one took me down through there! But it was good

[@sorayae7415]

Well done, I'd love to hear about (Heavenly places aka realms). May God continue to blessed your ministry in Jesus name!

[@theultimatefoodie2666]

Sooooo good!!! 😭🙌🏾

[@yimyams906]

This may still be modalism, but I see God as three all at once but each facet of Him has a purpose and acts in that purpose. Jesus is the physical manifestation of His Love and Mercy, the Way, the Truth, and the Life for man. The Spirit acts as the expression of God's power on Earth, the Hand of God in a way. The Father is the Source, the Judge, Love, Wrath, the Word. Jesus was baptized and received the Holy Spirit and the Father spoke in Luke 3:21-22. Three separate actions from separate, equal entities that are each whole and all One, but act in their purpose.

[@yimyams906]

I think this is further evidenced by the idea that Jesus intercedes for us (Hebrews 7:25, Romans 8:34). Why would Jesus need to intercede for us to the Father, Himself? That is a part of Jesus's purpose. The Father even holds knowledge that the Son does not (Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32). That does not fall into Jesus's purview and we can assume, as it is not stated as explicitly, that the Spirit also does not know. This does not detract from their equality but it supports the "purpose hypothesis."

[@Jazsyjazs]

This supports one ness 💯🔥

[@kimerapatricia3371]

Love from Uganda

[@yvonnelarkin9427]

Colossians 2:9 also speaks about the Godhead too .

[@beautifulw2081]

Interesting convo; however, the Oneness Pentecostals doesn’t not believe in modalism. They don’t believe that God stops being the father while he was the Son. They believe that God was Manifested in flesh as the Son while still remaining God, the father. There would be no confusion if we stick to the scriptures.

[@Juane72]

This is a great discussion. Could Tertullian be wrong? Not sure the relevance of you pointing out that he identified the HS as God. Are you saying because he originated this idea, that he is correct?

[@Chelseaithesunshine22]

“Epistemology “😂😂😂 took me out

[@reneamuir]

to add to jackie's point at 29:01, i'd even say that to carry unbelief concerning the trinity is to deny every claim and work made by the persons of the God-head about us. for instance in this example of salvation, to deny jesus as God is to deny all of his works including the cross and the cross is the only reason why were are saved. likewise to deny the holy spirit as God is to deny the very means by which we engage in righteous living and refutes all the power we have to be like christ and refuse sin. another notion concerning trinitarian theology that i've heard more recently is this idea that the God-head is hierarchal. i would love to get y'all's perspectives on that.

[@silverback7783]

Not if the Scripture is correct. It is correct and book of Revelation towards the end gave a warning not add or take away from the book.

[@whitemencanjump1129]

@withtheperrys 2 SCRIPTURES TO SHOW JESUS IS THE EVERLASTING FATHER & THE SPIRIT: 1. Isaiah 9:6-7:(EVERLASTING FATHER) 2. 2 CORINTHIANS 3:17: (THE SPIRIT)

[@bobotpanolino771]

For God so loved the world that's why HE existing until now up to the end of the world...

[@clarenceld4165]

God is Loving

[@brittneyliv]

Video on eternal functional subordination of the son please @PrestonPerry lol

[@DennisDelemar]

How can the Messiah be Yah's Son (Ben) if He always existed according to the trinity doctrine? What makes a son a son, except that he be begotten or adopted? Meaning, a son is not simply a title that one throws around. So when the Messiah says that He is the Son of Elohim (God), then truly there was a time that He did not exist and the Father brought Him forth. So believing the trinity is believing a lie because you deny the witness of the Messiah. The trinity also falsely claims that they are equal when the Messiah clearly states that His Father is greater than He. He says how His Father gave Him the ability to possess life within Himself, how He judges based off what He hears from His Father, how He does and speaks what His Father has showed Him, among so many other things. He says when He's praying, 'nevertheless not My will but Your will'. The Messiah plainly shows a hierarchy. We will never see the Messiah commanding the Father to do anything because He is in subjection to His Father. Literally His authority is from His Father, not the other way around. So no they are not equal, because the Messiah ONLY exists because His Father already existed and perfectly planned His bringing forth. The Messiah is Elohim because His Father is Elohim, not the other way around. We worship, the Messiah with His Father, Yah, because they are echad (unity), not equal. Just as those who receive the testimony of the Messiah will be echad with them, but never equal to. Because saying they are equal is saying that they have the same authority and same ability to rule the other. You would have to say that they set up from old an agreement, for one to give the orders and the other to obey (according to the trinity). This is not so. Truly the Messiah is the Ben (Son) because He knows who He came from, He knows who His Father is! And there is no rivalry between them because esteeming the Ben is truly esteeming His Father, whom he tells us to value as we value Him! And how do we know that the Messiah is the Son? Because the Father said this is my Son, whom I have brought forth! It is a REVELATION from the Father who knows all things, WHO gives the authority, WHO even the Messiah says is the True Elohim! The Messiah is begotten from Yah from the beginning because the Messiah marks the beginning of creation, the aleph and tav, the One who came from the One who has no beginning and always existed. Yes, Yah existed by Himself! SO STOP telling lies, stop spreading a false good news which is truly of the anti messiah, stop leading people astray with your reasonings because you set yourself up as teachers and speak deceits neatly packaged for people to eat up. You literally have spoken against the witness of Yahusha, the Messiah, all throughout this video and woe to you for giving your interpretation as truth. Yah has not shown you this lie because He is not a liar, but the devil is. Woe to you, if you don't repent. Trinity belief is sun (baal) worship! Here are videos bearing the witness of the Messiah: Trinity vs. Truth kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJOmmZh9iJpri8k The Witness of Yahusha kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJOmmZh9iJpri8k

[@seriousrbbnlo8332]

Memphis

[@chikerem1398]

Question: Can't a person express the action of love to themself?

[@emmzzz5380]

I am Hispanic and everything for us is " Coke"

[@WeAreRoyalty7]

If we could understand God he would not be God. Luke 3:21-22 cleary explains the Trinity 🥰

[@SisterPatGoad]

Father, son, Holy Ghost and His name is Lord Jesus Christ.Only One name given among men wherby we must be saved. This same Jesus was made both Lord and Christ!!! Only One God not 3.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Not everyone fully understands Jesus is GOD. (Faith) in Jesus as the Son of God who died for our sins is our salvation, that's the Gospel and THE ESSENTIAL. Faith is a free gift given to mature believers and immature believers in knowledge. God is merciful only He TRULY knows who accepted His FREE gift of faith. Luke 10:27 💕 Proverbs 3:5-6 💝 1 Corinthians 15:1-5 👑 Ephesians 1:13-14 🕊 AMEN God is greater than man's and Satan's deception.

[@SisterPatGoad]

Jesus was 100% human and 100% God same time!!!

[@handmadewithchristiwade9693]

"Come on here!" Lol

[@godsbabeborn-again5945]

We call it cold drink or soft drink in South Africa too, not pop or soda, but we're adopting a lot of American words so the younger generation say soda these days. I'm 33 so, younger people than me. 😂

[@kylerhamilton6676]

Y’all so funny 😂 but y’all ain’t lying

[@law5553]

John 17:3 KJV [3] And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

[@a.c.johnson2491]

Lastly, I think, how does one answer the question that was posed by a guy , Zakir Naik, when he chllngd a believer in Yeshua Hamashiach to give him (a muslim or whtvr) one scripture that shows Jesus unambiguously stating that He is Lord/God and for us to come and worship Him.

[@parkerberryhilll]

"Epistemology??"

[@bellabonds8122]

It’s not confusing when you remember how God made us in his image, we have a mind a body and a soul and in a way our mind is it’s own thing but it’s nothing without the soul, and the body is it’s own thing but it’s nothing without the soul and the soul is our true being so he’s broken us down into a triune being as He is. Don’t twist my words lol I’m not saying we are gods

[@TheDbwillia]

Love y’all talks - (and yes we Black folks put an extra S on everything) 😂😂👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@msangbro]

Testimony time! So God led me to this podcast a few of weeks ago…I didn’t fully understand why I was drawn to it. I thought the content and delivery was cool, so I watched many if not all the past episodes (I literally couldn’t stop watching it). During the same time I’ve been praying that God would help me to understand the trinity. The trinity has been one of the topics I’ve wrestled with in my faith walk. Growing up the trinity wasn’t explained in a way I resonated with (modalism) and even today I don’t hear the topic preached often. This podcast episode has brought so much clarity! I can’t fully express in words how grateful I am that God has used the Perrys to ignite a hunger to know Him on a deeper and intimate level. God bless you, Perry family! Pull up on us in the ATL!

[@kaylanrobinson1048]

That’s awesome! I recommend you watch Transformation Church’s “The Upgrade” series. It’s all about the Holy Spirit!

[@micahsales2524]

Don't they live in ATL!?

[@msangbro]

@@micahsales2524 yep

[@DennisDelemar]

Trinity belief is Sun (Baal, Nimrod) Worship! The Messiah was brought forth BY the Father in the Beginning, that is why He is the only BEGOTTEN Ban (Son)!

[@playthislick]

So if all three are distinct from one another, that makes them 3 gods, not one. The role/essence “explanation” makes no sense whatsoever. Bible Truth is not complicated. But trinitarians complicate it and make it worse for those searching for the Truth

[@kayem.2190]

Am I still confused? Yes. But still so madly in love with the triune God. I need a part two of this IMMEDIATELY

[@gregmoore2875]

Hey blessings to you! Give a read to a book called “Oneness” by David K. Bernard! It radically changed my life!

[@drea2167]

​@@gregmoore2875haven't read it yet but am interested

[@Jamieforeals]

Okay this is me, I’m not alone 🙌🏽😅

[@meelahmanifestslove]

@@gregmoore2875the oneness of God ? Is that what you’re referring to ? I ask because I looked it up and that’s what popped up

[@kiwihans100]

Eph 1:9 "Having made KNOW TO US the MYSTERY if his will" ( Greek 'mysteron' that which IS reavealed ) Thus Paul also said "God is not a GOD OF CONFUSION, but a God of peace". Its a total 'copout' to apply mystery' or 'confusion' to the 'trinity as a justification! its a FALSE doctrine along with all other confusing philosophies and notions of religion! The bible is clear & simple! There is but ONE GOD and Father of us all as Jesus Christ taught! "This means life eternal that they might know YOU THE ONLY TRUE GOD" ( John 17:3 part)

[@dani4704]

This was so beautiful, refreshing and enlightening. Also, Jackie yelling “EPISTEMOLOGY?!” took me out😂

[@leauxjolie]

took me clean out lol

[@LuckyMakobela]

Same here!🤣

[@HoneyWealthMix]

While this word is packed and loaded with many benefits for my understanding of who God is and how He operates in Trinity, I cannot help but greatly admire the beauty of being able to come together as a couple and discuss such depths about God. Gosh its sexy and I look forward to doing this with my husband when He comes according to God's will 😍

[@HonestLeighSpeaking]

I don’t think it’s that simple. Did the thief on the cross understand the trinity? What about the men from acts 19 who didn’t know what the baptism of the Holy Spirit was?… I think progressive revelation plays a part. So as long as you don’t reject what you know to be true and believe in Jesus, God will work it out as we persevere!

[@janelle1150]

Just to clarify for some, I’m a oneness Pentecostal, and we wholeheartedly believe Jesus is God! He is literally called Emanuel, which means “God with us” Matt 1:22-23! Isaiah 9:6 tells us that the son that is given shall be called “everlasting father”. That alone illustrates the mystery of the Godhead! The SON is described as the everlasting FATHER. God is one, and has always been. Deuteronomy 6:4 “hear oh Israel, the Lord our God is ONE!” I appreciate these Convo’s because they push us to study, and really evaluate what it is we believe.

[@Tishalocs]

What church do you go to? Husband and I have been looking for this.

[@janelle1150]

@@Tishalocs I go to an apostolic church in Maryland. What state are you in?

[@Tishalocs]

@@janelle1150 we are in GA but if they have online we want to join in. Or refer us to one. We are in the metro area.

[@janelle1150]

@@Tishalocs Cross Creek apostolic church! We do have online

[@kamsmith1871]

This is true!

[@andiswangcobo567]

this was so informative, highly appreciate the way in which the two of you break things down and make it easier to understand. P.s I absolutely adore and love how the two of you interact as a union in discussions like these and unapologetically so, one can see that God put you two together and what a blessing it is to witness a Love that is of God🙈 It really excites me in praying for a future spouse (even though I am only 19),that we can grow in loving the Lord as a union. Thank you guys so much for your obedience to the Spirit and sharing the Word with us in the ways that you do. All the blessings, with Love from South Africa🌼❤

[@kamalwilliamson2235]

L loop 😊l 14:06 😊

[@reginadavis1028]

This was awesome!! It NEVER CEASES TO CRACK ME UP how Preston just continues talking WHILE Jackie acts a fool (such as when he was talking about God and the water)!! He's so used to her foolishness! I love it 😹😹

[@Christm57]

Preston is bang on: the Trinity actively loves each other Father Son Holy Spirit and therefore Being a God of Love pours that same love to us !! And He teaches us how to love !! Amen

[@DP-bx5fg]

1. I want chapter and verse that the Father is a person 2. I want chapter and verse that the Holy Spirit is a person 3. I want chapter and verse that Jesus is the second person of the godhead 4. I want chapter and verse that the Holy Spirit is the 3rd person of the godhead 5. I want chapter and verse God is 3 persons 6. I want chapter and verse that His spirit is shared by 3 persons 7. Was the apostles disobedient for not bringing up Father and Holy Spirit in the baptism? 8. If God is our Father, why Stephen called him Lord Jesus in Acts 7:59? 9. If God is three persons, why Stephen responded only the 2nd person in Acts 7:59 10. In Mark 13:32 does the Holy Spirit is included for not knowing the day and hour of Christ's return? 11. How do the scriptures reveal to you that the Holy Spirit is lower rank than the Son of Man, if Jesus said if you blasphemy against the Holy Spirit you will not be forgiven but will be forgiven if it’s against the Son of Man? 12. Who is the Great Dragon, the Old Serpent, and the Devil?

[@MosesHanma]

No, it's a Satanic lie shawty.

[@FlaLovely87]

I’m at work listening and lost track of what I was doing, multi-tasking, because this convo is so rich…like Popeyes biscuit back in the day lol thick but melt in your mouth rich. 😩😂 I may be hungry but y’all get it. I gotta go back and listen again. 🤯🤯

[@MosesHanma]

Don't listen again. Please don't ever look at this again.

[@zenamakeleni8967]

27:27 - 27:50 hit me like a ton of bricks. God is love. He did not have to become love(ing). He has always loved perfectly. That same God loves me??!?!?!?!?! 😭😭❤️❤️

[@MosesHanma]

If you believe in eternal hell torment you do NOT believe in the God of love who is the God of Jesus

[@Isiaha43_1..IWGMTTLOML]

I was a straight A student and always paid attention in class. I remember in fifth grade, how diligently I paid attention in this specific science lesson where we talked about the states of matter. Yesterday I asked God for a sign to show me that I’m doing the something right in pursuing Him. I’m a born again Christian since 2 years. When I was in primary school I was a devoted Buddhist. So my point is, God is amazing. He laid out my life in such a way, even the moments when I wasn’t a believer would help me with my relationship with Him. He made it so, that I paid attention in that specific class, so that I could come up with the metaphor of the Holy trinity being like water, gas, and ice so that one huge question that pesters many didn’t pester me because I had other things trying to separate me from God and if I had one more doubt I would have snapped. ( now im past that stage and have a beautiful stable relationship with Jesus). Im shocked by Gods wisdom and grace right now. He used seemingly insignificant moments in my life to help me understand Him. And He used this to show me that our relationship is based off of a good and correct foundation.( I saw a comment also talking about this water gas ice metaphor and the Holy Spirit revealed to me how in my life it all connects) The states of matter is not like the clear cut structure of the Holy trinity but it makes this beautifully confusing Trinity a bit easier to decipher Hallelujah, praise the Lord ❤️

[@ilovekene9697]

Well said.

[@ChestonTheGreen]

This was so good! Can we get a part two? And can we get more history lessons as well. I had to stop and chew on this all day

[@ajhooper3167]

Agreeee

[@rahjasreign]

I second thisss!!!

[@kaylaarmstrong6546]

Agreed!!!

[@reginawarren3063]

Agreed part 2 please

[@dubem6671]

Great video, The trinity being “created” at the council of Nicea is prolly one of the most prominent lies out there. The whole purpose of that council was to excommunicate Arian heretics, not to decide if the trinity exists or not. Also, St Dionysius, who was a direct disciple of the apostle Paul is quoted in the 1st century AD, talking about the trinity, so the doctrine existed well before that council even occurred

[@leahjames6870]

The council of Nicaea solidified the trinity doctrine. But may I ask you a question. Jesus said that The Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD in John 17:3. Was he correct???

[@ilovekene9697]

@@leahjames6870 I think you're specifying more than the text or Jesus did. "You are the only true God". Looking at the entire verse, it is clear that Jesus was not speaking in relation to the Father individually, but God. In addition, whenever the Bible says something that is or similar to "[YHWH] is the one true God", it is always in comparison to idols or false gods. Also, by saying that the Father is the only true God, Jesus is not denying His Divine nature. The Father IS the only true God. Just like the Son is, as well as the Spirit. They are of the same essence. However, the individuality or distinctions of the Trinity does erase the unity the persons have in terms of holiness, and attributes. The Bible says countlessly that "God is holy". That means the Father is holy. The Son is holy. The Spirit is holy. But does the fact that they're all holy means they're all the same so therefore cannot be unique or in other words holy? Of course not. Because while they are distinct, they are all one singular God. I hope you at least barely understand my point seeing as the Trinity is extremely difficult to grasp. It's inexplicable to many degrees.

[@leahjames6870]

@@ilovekene9697 The trinity is difficult to grasp because it was never meant to be. GOD is not the author of confusion and that doctrine is confusion. The trinity is not a teaching from Christ nor his apostles. Can you show me anywhere in the Bible where anyone believed such a thing??? Just one person. Christ’s divinity doesn’t mean he is GOD, unless other spiritual beings are God too🤔The Bible calls The Father GOD and Jesus called him the ONLY TRUE GOD. Jesus didn’t say “we” he said THEE, when speaking to The Father. The Father is ALWAYS called GOD, while Jesus is called The Lord. You can’t say 3 individuals, who are each separate and distinct from one another, each consisting of their OWN full divine essence, are all the ONE true God. That makes no sense at all. That’s polytheism. Unless you’re saying each person is a percentage of God, which is equally ridiculous. The GOD of Jesus, was The Father, not a trinity. The Father is the Holy Spirit, because that’s what he is, holy and spirit. Do you worship the same GOD that Jesus did, that his disciples did, that everyone in the Bible did??? These are the words of Paul, 1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but ONE GOD, THE FATHER, of whom are all things, and we in him; and ONE LORD Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

[@DM3-]

Growing up Pentecostal I can say that there was some confusion with trinity but for the most part we believed that God was one God that existed in three persons. Not that God stopped being the Father to become the Son. They all exist at the same time and separately yet as one.

[@ketsspace816]

Same, I was so confused when they kept saying pentecostals believe in modalism. I’d guess the pentecostal churches they were in contact with believed in modalism, because the one I grew up in did not. My pastor actually preached against modalism.

[@DM3-]

@@ketsspace816 Yes. I figured that as well. I know for some in the Pentecostal faith that do very poor jobs of teaching Bible properly. So I’m sure some do believe in modalism.

[@Pearlebaby]

Modern day Apostolics and some Oneness Pentecostals teach modalism some aware and unaware.

[@DeniSoars]

Me too! I am like what? No. God is 1 all at the same time.

[@MosesHanma]

No.

[@eolauryn4]

That was a whole 5 course meal!! I’m so full, had to wear spandex, lol. Amen for the spiritual directive and teaching. My heart is inspired and encouraged 🙏

[@excellenceadigun9093]

That water-ice-vapour model is exactly what I was taught while hearing that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were one in three persons, which is a foreign concept to understand. So while people would tell me this true concept, they would explain it in a very wrong way. Hurt my understanding of Holy Spirit and reliance on Him badly I’ve seen someone say, “The Godhead is like the links in a pretzel. Three links, all forming one pretzel. Unique from each other, but completely enjoined.” Not a perfect example, but maybe drawing on the Scutum Fidel

[@MosesHanma]

That shit is some dumb bs 😂.

[@excellenceadigun9093]

@@MosesHanma What are you doing here? That’s weird

[@MosesHanma]

@@excellenceadigun9093 It's weird that you as a grown ass black man is talking like a black woman. See what happens when you watch too much of this stuff? 😭 You're Trinity teaching is false and is going to give you a one way ticket to the second death. You still have eternal life afterwards though so thank God for that.

[@delafetestimonies]

Thank you Preston & Jackie! I loved and appreciate it this conversation, so much wisdom was poured out 🙌

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

It makes absolutely no logical sense for trinitarians to claim that they know God when they simultaneously claim that no one should try to understand the trinity doctrine. If the Bible supports a doctrine, it should be simple enough for its adherents to explain and prove without contradicting each other and scripture.

[@PeytonEngh]

How do you explain the existence of love without God existing in three forms? If God is only one person, how could he ever conceive of love if there's no context for it? You can't have love unless you have at least two beings to receive and give love and the distinct existence of love as it's own eternal being because two beings wouldn't necessarily demand the existence of some bond between them.

[@Rae_eLLe]

I used to believe the trinity until I read the Bible through and through. I continue to remain humble and in prayer. With God comes clarity and Jesus said many things and He did not once say He was God but the son of God. I'm not desiring to attack anyone or make anyone change their minds about anything. It is ultimately between our own selves and God. I guess I just want to bring to light that I may not be the only God loving, Bible believing person who doesn't agree with trinity doctrine.

[@JaieKeller]

You are not the only one who don't believe in the Trinity. And Jackie philophied the scripture. Jesus says that you must believe that Jesus came, died, and resurrected that's the foundation of our belief an faith and not the trinity The concept is thre but is doctrinal. No matter how they philosophizing the scripture. Salvation is through Christ, not the trinity.

[@cemathis985]

Y'all did an EXCELLENT job!!! I think I will no longer use modalities to explain God but say what the Scriptures say. 📖🙏🏽🕊

[@LadyKyKy]

I think my main issue with trinity is the word itself isnt in scripture. Im like so is the father, the son, and the holy ghost seperate people/persons??? Or like will I see 3 people in heaven or will we see 2 spirits and a person 🤷‍♀.... I prefer the word of God. I was never confused on the godhead until I listened to all these different denominations lol I belong to none btw. It comes down to how we (people) interpret the script but like the church folk say the bible is right and sombody is wrong 😂🤣😂🤣

[@andreadaniels8484]

PREACH!!!

[@MarriageInsideOut]

Love this breakdown, family! Definitely never an easy topic to explain. When it comes to making the case of Jesus's "God-ness", I feel one thing we often forget is that the very reason why the Jews wanted to crucify Jesus in the first place was because of His "claim to be God" (John 10:33)... as Preston points out, Jesus often made statements revealing He was "one with the Father" before He came to earth (His "I Am" statement in John 8:58 is another good example of this). Definitely great nuggets to keep in mind as we find ourselves wrestling or taking on people's questions about the deity of Jesus within the Godhead. Great episode all around! 🔥👊🏽

[@playthislick]

My friend, as true trinitarians, we don’t believe that the Son is the Father. If you read exodus chapter 3 carefully, you’ll notice that it is Yahweh, the LORD speaking!! So this “I am” business does not apply ANYWHERE!! Have a good night.

[@Iam.AminB_]

So grateful that God doesn’t call for us to understand BUT to just have faith and believe! Great conversation. Definitely going to revisit this

[@MosesHanma]

Don't revisit it. It's Satanic teaching.

[@JaieKeller]

Still, there are no scriptures to confirm that God was Jesus in the flesh. A concept is just that; the wisdom of men. People are free to believe in the trinity, but that's not the gospel.

[@LadyKyKy]

why does the bible use the word manifestation and not person?? A part 2 with scriptures would be soo gooooooood!

[@pamowens529]

I Love listening to you two!!! ❤️❤️ This is such a necessary conversation that is most definitely not easily understood in our humanness. Thank you for this. "Epistemology!!!"😂

[@6914156]

So describing Trinity as a pencil (to kids) 1. wood. 2. led, 3. eraser, all three have a separate function but considered one ✏️ is considered modalism? I thought I was on point lol. Thank you for your videos.

[@LovePatience32]

Great explanation, I knew of candy corn example

[@ilovekene9697]

Its intelligent! But all metaphors and similes fail to describe the glory of our magnificent Creator. That same lead, rubber and eraser can exist separately without being regarded as a pencil, unlike the persons of the Trinity. Otherwise it's very innovative and gives a basic framework for the kids. Having a similar analogy as a child definitely helped my faith! Thank you for helping their knowledge of the Truth🤎😊

[@life.re-defined]

I enjoy these sessions and these people -- together and individually. So good.

[@Christm57]

I do believe ancient Israelites believes in the Father and the Spirit. As David said in Psalm 51, do not take your Holy Spirit from me. Their only issue is The Lord and our Messiah Jesus Christ!

[@reseanbowman9707]

That’s not true I’m a Hebrew Israelite and I believe in the total totality of the Bible from beginning to end!! So you can’t put everybody in one bag I am a Christ follower and I believe every word that he profess meaning that I am a Christian but I don’t believe in Christianity a religion

[@jessicaajuonuma7211]

Well, I think they were referring to Israelites that practice Judaism.

[@calledtobechosen2061]

I think to speak on what one group of people believe you need to be well informed.. that’s where a lot of people miss it.

[@abullard8409]

Thank you so much for this very informative and thought provoking conversation. I've always enjoyed Preston's conversations with other persons who subscribe to other worldviews. Always so gracious. Thank you both for this. God Bless you and your family