WHY KONRAD CURZE IS THE GREATEST PRIMARCH!

[@DominusNox106]

I absolutely love the fact that not even Russ wanted to tangle with him, saying "Kurse was given the strength of insanity".

[@BigAndGreen]

I came here for the "Ave Dominus Nox". I stayed for the "In Midnight clad."

[@Ultramar565]

Brilliant

[@WhispersinTheWarp]

Of all the Primarchs, Curze maybe the most human. Not because he aspired to fulfill his potential or because he personified nobility - but because he was so so broken. He was never perfect, always flawed and fatally pessimistic. Curze represented the basest traits of our species. Cruelty, vindictiveness, nihilism, resentment, anger, fear, pain. We hate him because we see the worst of what we are in him, and because of his fatalism he does not believe he can be anything other than a monster. He does not believe he can change, so he does not try. In my opinion, that is the true tragedy of Konrad Curze.

[@Thalanox]

I love the write-up. The villain Primarchs always seemed to be best understood as tragic figures, where they were really this close to being among the best of humanity, but for fate's and the Chaos Gods' intervention. Scattering them away from the light of the Emperor. Failing in characteristic philosophical ways, or to a sheer collapse of morale. They're all philosophical arguments in (semi-)physical form, and how the different ideas and arguments could be expressed in the setting of 40k.

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

Konrads visions is him knowing he can't change what GW wrote about him! He was so edgy because only he can see the meta and that one time Horus did.

[@davidmacon1138]

lol this is good

[@starc.]

the batmandeadpool offspring in 40k

[@MrArdhes]

I like Konrad because of his tenacity and his ability to literally climb up from the deepest depth and still get results, unlike a couple of his brothers who were pampered or just whiny. Konrad had a lot to deal with and tried for a very long time to be the best version of himself and faced a lot of setbacks. That makes him one of the most human and relatable Characters in the Whole setting and that's why he will be forever my favorite. It is interesting to see probably one of the best of the 21 to fall and fail so hard over time. Imagine what he could be under different circumstances. Easy top 3 of all of them.

[@MandoSki464]

I’d absolutely love to see a non crazy Konrad leading Terran born nightlords legion. They’d be complete beasts

[@davidmacon1138]

Only in our headcannon, brother

[@TheSniperGTO]

Read the Dornian Heresy. It’s an alternate take where all those we know as loyalists fall to Chaos, and the heretics remain loyal. Curze overcomes his demons, and learns to harness his psychic visions. He uses them to allow many Marines to escape that realities Istvann Massacer as he could see which ships would be shot down, and which would make it to safety. In the end, he is a hero of Terra.

[@MandoSki464]

@@davidmacon1138 ain’t that the truth friend

[@LemanoftheRussVI]

What would non crazy Konrad be like you think ??

[@TheSniperGTO]

@@LemanoftheRussVI Read the Dornian Heresy. It’s an alternate take where the loyalists become the traitors and vise versa. Curze gets his visions under control, and isn’t crazy.

[@RaimoKangasniemi]

Now this is what "Mission Impossible" looks like...

[@Ultramar565]

What a character, brilliantly written so tragic and powerful in equal measure. It must be said though that in his haste to conquer mankind the Emperor neglected one important duty which was mentoring his troubled sons like Conrad,Angron,Motarion and Logar

[@nenergi4726]

dont forget Perturabo

[@yerauldda6955]

In his primarch book, he chooses to kill a boy he pursued when he could have taken him under his wing and taught him about the necessity of justice, the punishing of the guilty etc and found something of a family, the one thing that could have made the biggest difference to curze growing up. That, imo, was the turning point for curze, where he could have become completely different from what he went on to be. A primarch who would have been able to pass on his lessons to those he took under his wing and open up to them about himself, something he felt he couldnt do with the other primarchs, and when he did with fulgrim his confidence was betrayed

[@nickkorkodylas5005]

Nobody likes Robin! Who in their right mind would like evil robin?

[@Jose_Herraez]

Under no stretch of imagination can Curze be considered the greatest primarch, and that is why he’s my favourite.

[@huntergallatin6758]

He might be the greatest Warden lol say what you want about him, but he did a really great job keeping the worst of humanity in lineish, after turning them into 7 foot six biological war machines. I personally can't stand him or his logic, that said he definitely enriched the setting and he is the best warden followed only by El'johnson.

[@davidburnett5049]

I respect it

[@mersenniusprime]

One could argue that he was the only primarch that "won" in the end. He accomplished his only goal - which, to be fair, was a very easy goal - and he found the closest thing to peace he or any of the other primarchs would ever reach. It's heavily implied that his crown held a soul stone, which may well be where his soul is now (which is a damn sight better than being tormented eternally in the warp). That at least counts for something.

[@TheAlexRhodes]

He easily could've been, with a proper upbringing. Endlessly wise and intelligent, his approach was efficient and pragmatic, obsessed with order and justice, all he needed was tempering. Remember this, many primarchs had their focus in the wrong place, vain, shortsighted, emotional... Meanwhile, Konrad, even in the depths of insanity, still focused on the big picture, on the Imperium as a whole, on the meaning of it all. He had the perfect mindset, he was born to rule, but the torture of his visions and Nostramo completely dominated his existence.

[@beckyseward6759]

Absolutely disagree.

[@BlastastiC]

"This one is gonna be a tough sell"

[@demonprinceofkhorne]

Woo! My favourite primarch being covered surprisingly early in this series!

[@sirmythos8854]

Curze just vibed in his own twisted way

[@RogueSanta]

Does Dorn ever think back about confronting Curze as an oopsies?

[@Carbonblak]

Between him and angron , talk about tragic.

[@captainviktorgrim261]

Conrad is nowhere near as bad as Angron, Fulgrim, Lorgar, Magus, or Mortarion. All of those are far worse than Conrad Curze. He held the 1st Legion for months... A prime Lion. He then wages a one man guerilla war on Ultramar with three of his brothers chasing him. He then stands toe to toe with Sanguinious. Sure he's a sick fuck but he is by far one of the most dangerous primarchs hands down.

[@_the_eversor_lad_]

​@@captainviktorgrim261 he IS the most dangerous. Unpredictable, skilled and insane.

[@nofuxgivens2797]

I like konrad because he's nearly capable of getting the last word/laugh or escaping any situation just like Cypher. He can be the biggest pain in people's But I don't like granting him any sympathy. He had plenty of examples and time to console with people who were paragons of humanity, humility, fairness, etc....for him to change to readers "he could been..." he's Vlad the Impaler. He's got brothers and legionaires in his life who hard it way rougher and no daddy time who were not all jacked up. He was the way he was by choice like he was told in his head by his dad lol. He just didn't like the fact that he was considered by all, a degenerate psycho. Instead of changing himself he blamed it on his visions and maker, then leaned into that which he realized that didn't work and when he realized he wanted to change he had gone too far and all that his legacy was had been just as damned as he was. If he's actually dead, he took the cowards way out. well written character nonetheless.

[@justonhelf7513]

If the loyalists had Curze on their side (which is laughable) but if it did happen he would be the boogie man for all of the traitors because though he hates Chaos, he is more than willing to got full psycho on them unlike any of the other loyalist primarchs.

[@disgruntleddude]

This is the character that I want Henry Cavill to portray. This hinges on M'shen not actually killing but simply incapacitating Curze when the camera feed cut out. I'm hoping that he's spent the last 10,000 years being rehabilitated and can return as a Loyalist Primarch.

[@Osmond_Wrought]

For the future, I say good luck in talking about Ferrus Manus. And I say that as an Iron Hands fan!

[@milankostic2571]

Another super hilarious hot take, Wolf Lord Rho is on a roll lately 😂

[@darklight8713]

He is deffently the most crazy one.

[@doom1609]

“It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for him.”

[@Cohort444]

Curze is the primarch we need the most

[@davidburnett5049]

Is that a batman joke?

[@dr.michaelmarx3085]

Yes​@@davidburnett5049

[@treavorwhitlock5606]

He's the only Primark capable of creating something that could defeat himself in an argument, sure it was just a big inanimate meat pile, but it was so good at arguing it made him rage quit

[@Zeke90k]

Ave Dominus Nox!!!

[@malb.4107]

Dude, thank you for telling me about Dread Weapons. I can't believe I haven't read that.

[@____________838]

He’s the most human, because he knows his imperfection.

[@ortiznikko]

"It's also a hammer."

[@Toto-95]

You're pushing it with this one ^^"

[@davidmacon1138]

Then flee, loyalist dog.

[@cesarerinaldi6750]

🟣 The Circle of Avidity is a hell of gold, the Circle of Gluttony is a hell of blood, the Circle of Carnality is a hell of sand, the Circle of Supremacy (Paramountcy) is a hell of ash, the Circle of Vanity (Vainglory) is a hell of water, the Circle of Indolency is a hell of snow. Golden snake pearls/eggs. The Coral Forest of Vanity. Because Slaanesh is nature in water (example the sea forests of the Laer). Coral with spikes and seaweed with spines. Serpents and Crocodiles in Supremacy, Horses and Hippocampi in Vanity, Pegasi and Dragons in Indolency. Fulgrim and Emperor's Children become Horses, Konrad Curze and Night Lords become Dragons, Alpharius/Omegon and Alpha Legion become Crocodiles. Bodies of dark stone, the dark Ice Moon of Slaanesh!

[@JFDavis-lq1bp]

I'm excited to hear this one

[@davidburnett5049]

I was just thinking, Angron isnt a good primarch. He sucks.. but. If he had been given a chance, i bet he would have been good and kind, and great and beloved primarch.

[@Unfitforpurpose]

Finally getting to the good stuff.

[@zawwin1846]

You may be a Primarch, but can you flay 100 still living rats in tiny crucifixes? Curze can.

[@richardvaldes3959]

Now your speaking my language

[@MrVaskarad]

"we are the sheathed dagger" was his goal and he did arguably achieve that methodology with his terrorism warfare which perturabo should have at least appreciated & he actively ignored a request to bring the Carinae system so that Corax would learn why his methods are needed

[@danielrullmann5131]

many events conrad could not possibly influence came true, i believe conrad never had a vision which would not come to pass. So can u blame him for believing in an inevitable future

[@logangodofcandy]

Quantum physics proves that Konrad is an idiot.

[@jonpaulevans31]

But Konrad did have visions he could influence. When he was chasing a gang youth across a roof, he had 2 visions; one where he spared the kid, raised/taught him, learned empathy and found kinship. The other vision, the kid tried to hurt him. Being the ultimate pessimist, Curze killed him. True, he had visions, like Sanguinius, where he wasn't involved. Unlike Sanguinius, when he had influence over events he foresaw, he chose the evil path. Konrad can be pitied for his lonely upbringing, but he was still a broken, vile Primarch who made choices to follow the worst outcomes of his visions.

[@TheWarpForge]

@@jonpaulevans31 And that's exactly one of the main reasons why the Primarch Konrad Curze book is so, so bad. It robbed him of a very interesting aspect. Most NL fans don't really acknowledge the book because it's just that horribly written.

[@captainviktorgrim261]

Ave Dominus Nox. My favorite traitor, primarch #Conrad Curze, truly did nothing wrong. Unlike a cyclopian jackass we shall not name. Night Lords works as intended, not bug but a feature.

[@robertross5201]

A question: If raised on Terra under the guidance of both the Emperor and Malcador would Konrad have truly become the figure of fear he was in the Great Crusade? Was his ruthlessness in dispensing justice innate or “nurtured” by the horrors of Nostramun society?

[@TheFaulkned]

Definitely one of the best. Maybe even second best. The Night hunter was a legend above other legends. And his legion is no different.

[@ourcommonancestry6025]

Konrad lives (in a gem)... And is coming for all you law breakers

[@godKiller.369]

"I'm spacebatman!"

[@Ollaniusperrson]

Out of curiosity do y'all think Ctaan shards and Waarp shards we used to create primarchs? Like the more tech were ctaan the magic were warp and the more stable were a healthy mix of both?

[@weediestbroom]

Curze saw the actual future as it would actually be. Mutable fate/immutable fate, doesn't matter. What he foresaw is what actually ended up happening. I think if you did change fate somehow, he would still see the actual future as it will be, regardless.

[@toddolson4614]

How the Emporer found out about the Heresy...from Conrad's premonitions. Then using the forgetfulness psychic power hiding the 2 lost primarchs from the other 18, on Conrad attempting to help him forget that he has the power. But it didn't work! He still remembers his power and still has continued visions.

[@Uzzgub]

A Interaction for the Interaction God, a Comment for the Comment Throne, for the Almighty Algorithm

[@raftguy1376]

Best things: - He saves lorgar and made corax fly away. - Trolling G-man on his home planet - Avoiding the Lion as long as he did, and kinda beating him once So, if that’s your highlight reel. One of them actually highlighting he is less impressive than the Lion. Only to get killed by a lowly assassin. Of all the dead (aka missing) primarchs, he fell to the weakest adversary. Something thats multiple power levels below him. Hey I love the guy. But many had it worse than him. And many did better. He’s great because he is so inherently immoral that he comes across as evil, even when he was loyal. He is a better combatant than many credit him for. And he actually would be more useful to the imperium in 40k than 30k.

[@wereshem-ankh9063]

He gave himself up to the assassin as he considered it his fate. If he'd fought back, the assassin would have been joining the flesh tapestries in his throne room.

[@ymishaus2266]

@@wereshem-ankh9063 Don't waste your time, these people can only classify characters in media via the 'Official Dragonball Z power rankings chart v7.6' in their heads

[@CreatureColossus]

Beautifully said.

[@aditghifari5039]

Had Conrad choose to make a diary for every day he sees the foresight, it maybe makes him better. The diary itself become famous with its credibility, the best seller in Terra " Diary of space Batman".

[@____________838]

Can we talk about how his crusade against indecency was likely done as a child?

[@eonstar2441]

The Santa Claus of mutilation

[@jaegerbomb269]

He's discount Corvus Corax. Beaks for life heaters!

[@CyrodiilCome]

Is that why Corax ran from him with feathers tucked in-between his legs at Istvaan

[@thomask5434]

They somewhat ruined Corvax. Instead of making him silence itself, and his legion, they gave him and some very few chosen ones inate powers to be basically not being noticable until they wish for it. And that doesn`t even work on all the races or people.

[@milankostic2571]

​@@CyrodiilCome Corvus fought for whole day straight, had no weapons left functioning and just assblasted another Primarch. Meanwhile Cruize just landed fresh in full gear and thought he was hot shit. That loser wouldn't have survived 5 minutes of what Corvus did

[@CyrodiilCome]

@@milankostic2571 except when Konrad took on the Lion and Guiliman on in a 2v1.

[@CyrodiilCome]

@@milankostic2571 Konrad was a stow away on the Lion's ship constantly fighting and hiding, broke free took on multiple marines than took on Guiliman and the Lion.

[@bartosznaswiecie1179]

When big E was making Primarchs he chose souls from the warp. Konrad's was the one of Batman.

[@bbbbKeJodddd]

Curze had two sons he truly valued, for different reasons. Sheng was loyal to Konrad not the Night Haunter. Always the loving son. The other was Sevatar. Loyal to the vision, but unable to lie about the contradictory nature of the legion, hell, the crusade as a whole. Both were at the top of the wrong legion.

[@browniechann88blackie55]

He unleashed the night haunters upon terra during the unification of it when a state revolted he sent in the intial sons of curze a one year horror propaganda move was so successful other factions backed down as well

[@Sharksvsnids]

I think it sounds like the emperor is blaming erda....

[@Ownedyou]

Literally the one Primarch that has nothing going for him, atleast Angron has an excuse of being lobotomised. But hey, I appreciate a good trolljob.

[@davidmacon1138]

Let me guess... Dark Angels player? Ultramarines perhaps....Ah that's it. You're a custodes player.

[@kaspersaldell]

To be fair; it wasn't his fault that he was born insane, bloodthirsty, and cannibalistic.

[@davidmacon1138]

He wasn't made that way. It's nature, versus nurture.

[@kaspersaldell]

​@@davidmacon1138The first thing he did after climbing up out of the ground was to devour the flesh and blood of a random human that walked by

[@davidmacon1138]

@@kaspersaldell Did you forget that the first person was a deranged criminal intent on doing tremendous bodily harm to this infant which spurred the instinctive defensive action he was made for???????????????????????

[@kaspersaldell]

@@davidmacon1138 That may be, but he still devoured him. Also, do you remember that time when he tortured a woman to death because she was going to *break the law* by committing suicide?

[@davidmacon1138]

@@kaspersaldell Sure do and wouldn't you know it..... more primarchs/astartes than you would care to think about..have eaten people

[@robertopompa_]

foresight is just slang for Glasses

[@unpossible4349]

Curze could take any of the other Primarchs in a fight. The Lion even cheap shotted him but Curze still could've killed him if his space marines hadn't shown up to save him.

[@RakkasanRakkasan]

He was right!

[@milankostic2571]

About nothing

[@davidmacon1138]

@@milankostic2571 Absolutely right about everything and how stupid all the rest were for ignoring it and pretending it was so good.

[@StigPrice]

I often want curze to be resurrected somehow. But it's never gonna happen, and it would kind of ruin his whole death making him right schtick.

[@fortheswarmlord3250]

As a Night Lord enjoyer, let me tell you. Curze could never be the best primarch even if he was the only one existing.

[@davidmacon1138]

Then you missed everything about him and why it was that way. Nuance is everything

[@captainviktorgrim261]

​@davidmacon1138 Conrad in my opinion, is the Sanguinious of the traitors. His legion fought and held the Lion and the 1st legion at bay for months bleeding each other white. Then he terrorizes Ultramar by himself stand before Sanguinious and they are matched. Conrad is probably the most underrated and underestimated of all his brothers. He then never retreats to the eye of terror and faces his death like Sanguinious before him with full knowledge of that end. Death means nothing compared to vindication.

[@davidmacon1138]

@@captainviktorgrim261 WELL SAID

[@fortheswarmlord3250]

@@davidmacon1138 To sum it up: Amazing character, awful primarch. Sevatar was god tier when compared to him. How different would the story have been were him the primarch instead of Konrad.

[@davidmacon1138]

@@fortheswarmlord3250 That's a very interesting opinion of a base level astarte versus primarch. Gifts or not. Sevetar would have made an awful primarch fo rthe simple reason he was abently present. He didn't care. About ANYTHING. This alone makes for a terrible leader in the best of circumstances.

[@wmen48]

He just has that hawk tuah girl vibe too him.

[@cowboyjohnn]

WHY WOLF LORD RHO IS THE GREATEST WARHAMMER KZbinRS

[@UniversalJunkie]

Curze in his prime could have arguably won any duel with his brothers.

[@jarreldoomis3502]

In midnight clad

[@NoxMortem]

Ave Dominus Nox

[@plastikloser]

Child psychologist: well... no fixing this is their

[@matthewgibbons9975]

Tough one though, despite his brutal “upbringing” and exposure to such darkness, I still feel my top choice has to Corvus, he went through a great deal too many years later and despite everything going on, he still took the fight to enemy on their own turf even to the point of it corrupting him to mutation, he still kept / keeps his loyalty to the Imperium, to hunt down brothers like him for their betrayal, that for me is total and utter dedication and commitment against all odds and his anger, hatred and epic desire for vengeance has been his greatest weapon, but that just my opinion ✅

[@rosemariebradley761]

Ave dominus nox!!!!

[@catthompson4272]

Lol imagine just communicating these visions to those in question. Hey dad horus is gonna betray you I saw it in a psychic vision which I have often I saw a bunch of other stuff too listen to this"proceeds to spoil every chaos plot in a single conversation" but no he keeps it to himself id pick angron over this idiot anyday.

[@jessfarinas7117]

He did try to communicate in regards to the visions with Sanguinious (correct me if I'm wrong). And then that information was mentioned to Rogal Dorn. However, Rogal is a blockhead and reprimanded Konrad. That's why they fought, and Konrad almost killed Dorn.

[@SSangsen]

Ave Dominus Nox.

[@adammackanin1109]

Best Primarch

[@pole8740]

konrad fans are unironically the most well rounded primarch fans cus they know that konrad is a grade s bastard, he sucks, hes probably the worst but damn we would not have it any other way

[@WorldOfWeebcraft]

This is an even harder sell than angron

[@leroymontoya1725]

Curze!!

[@malb.4107]

Curze 2024

[@badassgibus]

I mean all he had to do was hit the gym and he wouldve been unstoppable

[@onisinn1]

🖤💀🖤

[@RogueSanta]

15 min??? I guess that proves hes the greatest...

[@elsenorloco84]

He’s lowkey is mid AF and crazy … his sons are chads doe Same with angron lowkey broken and mid but his sons were litty

[@ditmarvanbelle1061]

Konrad the greatest? That's a tall order bub. However let it be acknowledged that all his premonitions were 100% correct.

[@ryanexsus]

Curze is the Joker of Warhammer.

[@Jago_Sevatarion_8th]

AVE DOMINUS NOX

[@wikipediaintellectual7088]

Bruh...

[@glenbaker4364]

"These Gods that taunt us rely upon choice." With this quote (in context as presented here) and listening to the video kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKm6cnakna6Irs0si=MkqqFFhm1eUg24U_ I believe Conrad Curse was the one primarck that was told the truth of the ruinous powers.

[@Mortarion-xt9wp]

While the falls of the traitor Primarks are mostly great, I noticed that they seem to stem from bad roots. Slaves, criminals and religious fundamentalists. It all seems like GW are implying that you will turn bad, if you start off bad. Without the chance to rebound and better themselves because the salvation was denied by betrayal or inactivity of others.

[@Interrobang212]

"Well that title is nonsense!" - Konrad

[@Watcher1101]

The greatest waste of potential in the worst way.

[@malb.4107]

Fulgrim always ruins everything

[@David-li4uw]

He’s probably the absolute worst primarch and therefore one of my very favorites

[@thisguynamedmatt12]

April Fools was 90 days ago… youre 3 months late

[@mattbob6637]

Why even make this video, waste of time

[@11cacoo]

after reading the unremembered empire, curze is actually the best, he clapped 3 primarchs at once.