THE DISMAY OF PERTURABO! HIS REUNION WITH FULGRIM!

Hey everyone Rho here! Today we're discussing Perturabo's dismay at the fall of Fulgrim. The Iron Warriors shock at the decent of the Emperor's Children...
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[@Scott.webb64]

Whenever Fulgrim finally comes back to the setting, I really hope Perty shows and pulls a Be'lakor. Just shows up without fanfare and royally fucks over Fulgrim, just for the sake of it.

[@tappingninja]

10k years of spite just might do that, I don’t think Perturabo will ever forgive Fulgrim for lying to him so he can be used as a sacrifice for apotheosis and responsible for the events leading him to become a demon prince dreadnaught and a pawn of the Chaos Gods…

[@malorian1855]

@@tappingninja i hope he isn't a daemon prince, just a dreadnought. After all, we have only at best second hand info, nothing outright confirmed. And just like the Doctor, GW lies. Everything is canon, but not everything is true.

[@joejoeyjoejoejoseph]

Be completely petty like only a brother can be lol.

[@Eldeecue]

"i'm going to start beating you now. I don't know when I'll stop."

[@Iceisnice1]

By corrupting Fulgrim, chaos may have put him on their side, but it also made him and his legion a bunch of incompetent hedonists. Or as DJ Khaled would put it: "Congratulations, you played yourself."

[@Scorpionwincheater88]

They dont care

[@SlurpeeBoy9999]

That's still a net win for Chaos. The alternative option is loyal, competent Emperor's Children. They may not have gained a legion, but the Imperium lost one.

[@whichDude]

​@@SlurpeeBoy9999Legit. Fulgrim while still being corrupted almost stops the Heresy. When Horus tells him his plan Fulgrim leaves all poker face realizing he can stop it at the root by immediately opening fire ship to ship. He was on the verge of giving the order until some "random" soldier encouraged him to hold his demon sword. He changed his mind right then.

[@riktor3005]

100/100, not even Perturobo could keep a straight face at the freakshow that was a primarch falling to slannesh. I mean, who could? I'd love to see the emperor's reaction to such a sight.

[@barlotardy]

**Emperor takes a drag off his cigarette, rubs his temples** "FFS, Fulgrim.....put some pants on..."

[@cgrmspartacusmbeobeiou4313]

​@@barlotardy😂😂

[@Archon3960]

I mean, even if he managed to, he would loose it when Fulgrim said he was so close to Bobby G. and Perty. xD

[@ArnoldJudasRimmer..]

​@@barlotardy😂😂🤣🤣🤦👏👏

[@zlboyle90]

What happened to the third legion is a good reason why you never do chaos. It always ends badly.

[@REDRAGON12345]

Yet, ironically, I still see some people arguing that turning to chaos is not that bad, perhaps even preferable.

[@Klongu_Da_Bongu]

@@REDRAGON12345 Falling to chaos means becoming a slave in such a way that even servitors and hive mind factory workers have a hard time imagining.Those occupations take your body, but chaos takes your soul, and is totally indifferent to it with a malicious edge.

[@tessa63627]

The problem is that the Imperium does the same. What do you think keeps the Emperor alive?

[@vontheunknown7982]

Perty was absolute G in the Horus heresy and the Siege of Terra, he did not put up with Fulgrim BS.

[@lildeek12GFL]

I'll always have a soft spot for Perty in my heart. I think it's such a shame that he was written into demonhood

[@stefankatsarov5806]

They might redcon it. His full story isnt done yet.

[@BerserkingGator]

It’s annoying honestly. At least let us have one renegade primarch…

[@CrunchyNorbert]

I heard that he's not so much a daemon as half machine; he's built a massive life support system into a set of power armor that turns him into a walking titan. That's might just have been speculation but it makes sense to me, Peter Turbo never really fit with any features of Chaos, he's very un-chaotic even though he's mean

[@Eldeecue]

I'd be just fine with a blatant "none of that happened, fuckin' deal with it" retcon regarding Peter Turbo being a daemon prince. A lot people would NOT, but...fuck those people.

[@SomeFnClown]

I want Peter turbo to be an obliterator primarch

[@vontheunknown7982]

IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT!!!

[@RSBurgener]

I think Perturabo, more than anyone else, was conned into going traitor. He was watched by the Star Maelstrom since his birth. Horus intentionally gave him punishing missions to break his spirit. Word Bearers sent agents to foment rebellion on Olympia. And now this, Fulgrim's epic con job in the Eye of Terror. Perturabo didn't turn traitor, he was *turned* traitor. He reminds me very much of Anakin Skywalker in that sense.

[@Archon3960]

Don't know about the "Horus giving him missions part", but you're spot on on the others. Hence why Perturabo saying "Fuck this." and leaving the Siege was the biggest middle finger he could give to Horus. My take on it is that Perty always accepted the most hardcore missions because he thought everyone would finally see his value that way. That Big E. and the others would see that he loathed destruction and wanted to build. But Perturabo never spoke up, so how the hell was everyone supposed to know!? Heck, his sister said it to his face!

[@darththesungod3578]

I wish Perturabo was just against everybody. After the siege, he never goes to the Eye, he never "ascends" to demonhood, and he still hates the Imperium. He and his Iron Warriors are just their own masters and do what they want, when they want.

[@Tiamatdlord]

It won't be until the scouring or "Iron cage" they will confirm he ascended. I think many wouldn't be opposed to a non-ascended primarch that just "uses chaos". he knows the effects of chaos basically, he saw it during the HH.

[@darththesungod3578]

@@Tiamatdlord I just like the thought of a Primarch out there who just basically says "fuck it" burn it all.

[@DoomStroller]

Mr. Turbo is one of the biggest reasons the heresy did the damage it did. His roll changed little from crusade to heresy. Poor bastard. I think fulgrim fell too hard too fast to be saved by only a brother

[@malorian1855]

pretty much the only reason. by that point he was one of the few, if not only one, sane enough to do anything resembling planning and coordination.

[@DoomStroller]

​@@malorian1855 Exactly, besides Abbadon, Curze (kind of) and Turbo the traitors leadership wasn't cohesive. They were definitely pissed but all over the damn place

[@Archon3960]

Perturabo and Fulgrim. The dynamic duo. 😂

[@raisttlyn]

Perty and Curze were my top traitor favs

[@fbussier80]

Same.

[@scrotusmaximus3043]

Same, and mainly because they didn't go full demon mode.

[@Vaultkid21]

Omegon is cool too

[@anthonyrooney597]

I like the bit in that book where he smashes fulgrims face into a model titan...

[@rhadamanthu]

What I find interesting is the difference between Perturabo and Ferrus Manus in their character presence. Ferrus yields the lime light to others even in his own primarch novel. On the other hand Perturabo will make sure you remember him whether or not he's the main character. That's why the two iron legions are my favorites.

[@saltedllama2759]

It is the great calamity of their fall to Chaos. Even when the traitor side was starting to win at Terra, each of the now demon primarchs had lost interest in that battle and cared only about their own plans apart from the war; their own personal triumphs, cosmic goals, etc. The basic legionnaires were (literally) forgetting why they were even on Terra, admitting to one another that they want to go back to crusade style conquest and building, not destroying their own worlds. Granted, they did so with eyes always looking over their shoulder because chaos bred fear and contempt; the old guard and new guard were fractured and thus the legions became traitorous to each other. Each who was interested in conquering Terra simply wanted to be first and to get credit for it, not because they believed in Horus' cause anymore. One can't simply fall to Chaos. Just being in the Warp doesn't mean you come out with mutations. There has to be some element of internal weakness and surrender. All gains are temporary, while it comes at an enormous cost that lasts for an eternity. They lose their faculties, motor control and function, and even their minds. All for a burst of strength, or a tentacle, or some more resilience. They all HATE who they have become, but only in fleeting bits because they lose their memories and cognizance as well. Thus is can only be about personal glory from that point on as they are otherwise enslaved permanently. Demon princes are not "ascended" beings, but forever enslaved to the Chaos gods. They no longer get to do whatever they want; proof of which is Mortarion being locked in Nurgle's Garden after failing to do as he was ordered and losing in the Ultramar region. This is why Abaddon mocked all four of them from Horus' barge by saying, "You could have been kings of men, of empires; instead you are slaves to demons." All that aside, I hope Perturabo's fluff gets retconned and he isn't a demon prince. He was one, much like Horus and Abaddon, who abhors the idea of demons and was vehemently against it. It's why Abaddon will never become a demon prince; it's why Horus never was (and the Emperor literally deleted his soul so Chaos can't bring him back anyway); and Perturabo never should have become one when they first wrote about him in the 90's. Ascended elements? Sure; a monstrous mix of demigod and machine. But I suppose they already gave us Vashtorr...

[@Ultramar565]

The Lord of Iron smh Sigma Primarch of the highest level . Took on the most difficult battles in the Great Crusade and told Chaos to suck his Iron will nothing but love for this character.

[@The0Stroy]

Iron Warriors seeing Emepror's Children approaching: "What the f**k?!"

[@Eta_Carinae__]

I think Perturabo's cynicism toward forgiveness hasn't got anything to do with Guilliman. I believe he's at the point where he realises exactly how he's doing the wrong thing. You have to remember that Perturabo didn't leave his father's imperium to build something better. He left it because he thought he was a liability to it.

[@ironduke5058]

I think Fulgrim being confused by the fact that he's in fact, not close to Guilliman might be the daemon talking. It was trying to sound all chummy but screwed it all up

[@peterga3658]

love this . great video

[@chester2581]

Your videos are excellent. And you get better and better with time

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

Excellent bit of foreshadowing from Fulgrim. He would indeed finish what Kor Pherons blade began at Calth ;)

[@TheEclipse5]

Fulgrim is like that cool, smart, talented, handsome, popular, athletic and witty older friend you had in high school, who you then run into randomly 10 years later on the street as a drug addicted beggar. Such a sad and wasteful fall.

[@Eldeecue]

Yeah but only he's still rich, lives in a big house, is immortal, is immune to STDs and can't overdose or suffer the effects of drug addiction. I mean, aside from the morality/lack of ambition...it sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me. He's definitely having a better time than Mortarion, Angron, or Magnus....

[@wreid4995]

No Fulgrim was gone. What hurt was loosimg the Iron warriors

[@jadmurdoch1986]

By chance I just finished Angel Exterminatus yesterday. Spot on timing :p

[@zedhiro6131]

Fullgrim didn't fall, he and his legion jumped willingly.

[@darksider2903]

Yes and still people feel bad for him. He is irredeemable

[@cegesh1459]

Eh a demon taking you over and corrupting you is not willing.

[@josephweymon8020]

​@@cegesh1459agreed.

[@henrypaleveda7760]

@@darksider2903 I liked who he was at the beginning, but the choices he made are what most fulgrim fans regret.

[@D4RK_FL4M3]

How? Everyone who walked into that laer temple was fucked.

[@thatotherguy8138]

I'm pretty sure that Fulgrim was always going to fall. He's written with that kind of personality - he often becomes petulant when he's not given the respect he thinks he deserves, in a way that just screams "Whiny L'il BIATCH!". In that way he's a lot like Perturabo - the problem is that Perturabo tends to be truly disrespected for no justifiable reason, while Fulgrim tends to be unintentionally patronized for somewhat justifiable reasons (his tiny legion). And when Perturabo broods and grouches about getting the shittiest of jobs and no respect from any other legion, it's easy to sympathize with him. And you get the sense that Perturabo believes that if he can just be better, and have his Legion perform better, someone will notice. It's an almost positive reaction, and it makes Perturabo endearing. When Fulgrim gets told his legion is too small to be of much use on its own, Fulgrim's pouting just makes him look arrogant and possibly stupid. And you get the sense that Fulgrim is more concerned about proving the person disrespecting him wrong rather than proving himself to be capable. Which is entirely a negative reaction, and it makes Fulgrim aggravating.

[@henrypaleveda7760]

I liked Fulgrim pre discovery but I only liked Perturabo more as the heresy progressed.

[@D4RK_FL4M3]

I dont know, in the books I read he comes across as one of the only primarchs who can admit their mistakes and shortcomings. Without the Laer blade I doubt he wouldve ever fallen.

[@aguspuig6615]

honestly i blame some of that on the writters. Fulgrim goes from a realistical portrayal of insecurity with a good heart to just a retarded child depending on what book hes on. And lets not forget that Perturabo is the same, sometimes you understand his effort to do better, and his desire for apreciation. But other times his ''trying to do better'' is just sending more and more men on a suicidal charge that clearly will result in more losses than anything else. Yet you choose to see Perturabo from the prespective that some of the books show you, the prespective thats realistic and endearing. Just do the same with Fulgrim. Both can be seen as petulent children or endearing insecure but good men, its really up to the reader. But since Fulgrim has that look he gets made fun of more often

[@aguspuig6615]

thats a very underrated detail. As crushed by expectations and insecurity as he is, hes the one primarch that just casually admits to faults and shortcommings at the start.@@D4RK_FL4M3

[@D4RK_FL4M3]

Agree 100% @@aguspuig6615

[@MGBandit75]

I like the scenes at Perturabo’s workshop. Pretty interesting details and conversations.

[@toi_techno]

That arrival scene always makes me think of Burning Man

[@eichler721]

Fulgrim could have been a Sanguinius figure with hints of Perturabo and his engineering genius which would be scary. But his pride lead to his downfall.

[@sardonicspartan9343]

We need more 30k stories for both of them.

[@Dreez76]

I really hope GW makes Perturabo redeem himself and has his soul saved and cleansed from Chaos..

[@Archon3960]

Since he's a daemon now, not likely. Plus, just like Mortarion was desillusioned with the Imperium before the Heresy, I highly doubt the Lord of Iron would want to come back to an empire that rotten. :/

[@Eldeecue]

@@Archon3960 Oh, anything's possible. C'mon, now. Honestly I'm rooting for a Lorgar redemption arc, where he, not Magnus, takes his father's place on the Golden Throne, worshipped as a false god, and falsely bearing the name of his father who he so hated for not being the god he wanted him to be.

[@Archon3960]

@@Eldeecue A Lorgar redemption arc would be dope. But GW tends to write modern Chaos as "Mustache Twirling bad guys", so it's unlikely. And yes, it is a shame. And no, Fabius Bile does not feature in that category, nor is he truly team Chaos. :/ Getting back to your idea, this could create a schism in the Imperium if he managed to do it. He would have to kill Bobby G. to be capable of sitting on the Throne. No chance the Big Boy in Blue is letting him pull that off. x)

[@Eldeecue]

@@Archon3960 I _would_ fit neatly into the division between the Imperium proper and Imperium Nihilus...and, with the Lion and potentially one more primarch returning, be a late fulfillment of Bobby's Imperium Secundus. And if it's a redemption arc for Lorgar, maybe he and Bobby could....well not "patch things up", but....eh, with good enough and imaginative writing, anything's possible. They've set up that the Golden Throne is failing and emperor's husk IS dying, so SOMEBODY'S butt needs to be in the big chair.

[@Archon3960]

@@Eldeecue That could be a good storyline. But it looks like a proper setting shakeup, and we know how GW isn't a fan of that. One example is the rise of Ynnead, which wouldn't be that massive, and yet they refrained from doing it. ;/

[@shaguar6439]

I was hoping you’d cover the part where Perturabo beats the shit out of Flugeim

[@raisttlyn]

One of my favorite books. I genuinely feel bad for Perty

[@spyke403]

my man wolf lord rho, are we getting the moment when perty plays basketball with fulgrims head on a desk?

[@lordchaos6422]

Imagine perty turning loyalist when he returns to the setting that woukd be badass to see

[@davidmathieson8661]

Just my personal opinion. I feel like GW should really give Chaos/Traitor Legions a revamp. You'd have Angron and the World eaters for Khorne Mortarion and the Death guard for Nurgle Fulgrim and the Emperor's children for Slaanesh Magnus and the Thousand sons for Tzeench Lorgar and the Word bearers for Chaos undivided (at least chaos as represented by the 4 gods) Mostly all as they are now (obviously expand on the ranges). Then we'd have Perturabo and the Iron warriors, they'd be chaos aligned technically, but I think a rebrand of more pure warp, minus the big 4 chaos gods. Perturabo would be a bit like Corax, embracing his warp entity side, he'd be the one traitor primarch not tainted by the 4 chaos gods, he'd have his own warp powers encased in a primarch styled dreadnought, with unaligned warp entities bound to the machinery. With Curze dead, the Night Lords remain a disparate motley of war bands, some break of to worship different chaos gods, but the majority remain "pure" a truly unaligned Traitor "legion". Abaddon and his Black legion would remain essentially the same, a mongrel legion of mixed lineages and beliefs. Alpharius/Omegon and the Alpha Legion would still be mostly the same, maybe expand on the whole part traitor part loyal aspect. Then we'd have a few warbands that while chaos adjacent are not entirely of chaos. Fabius Bile I see breaking away and have him with his own "legion" with his New men and other creations, since he takes a very atheistic stance towards the warp. Blackheart and his Red Corsairs, similar to the Black legion, have them as a mongrel legion with a mix of lineage and beliefs.

[@marty2129]

Could have Fulgrim been saved at that point? Yes, quite probably... but someone would have had to free the rest of his soul (if not his entire soul) from a certain painting way before Fabulous Bill went with his perfect clonning program...

[@scrotusmaximus3043]

For me Fulgrim is in the top 5 disgusting bastards of the heresy. With Erebus and Lorgar being in the top 2.

[@jameskilts555]

What would Manus have been given by the Emperor had he lived? Just as the lion has the shield, and Guilaman has his sword.

[@leovalenzuela8368]

Probably an iron gauntlet.

[@Salmon_Rush_Die]

A top hat the Emperor wore once in the 1870's.

[@tt3p9]

A hand

[@cj4857]

The Emperors holy terran welding torch

[@orcvsivstitia7608]

So... I was thinking. Since the Gods of the Warp call the Emperor Anathema....and since via warp presences alone Big E erased the God Blight from Girly boy's body....I bet he could also cure Purdy of the taint

[@golden4121]

First like and comment keep up the great work

[@ArnoldJudasRimmer..]

Fulgrim is that spoilt kid whose parents were as loving as could have been with them, clearly even showing favoritism towards the pampered ponce. Who has been given everything, even some of the finest toys his Daddy, who just so happens to be Big E could muster for him. But yet still chirps when turned down for the first time ever (in this case not being given the reason why his father needs to do his roadrunner act back to terra, AWWWW poor Fulgrim) that classic line 'I HATE you daddy! I wished you was dead!!!' 🤣🤣

[@GhostBearCommander]

Perturabo may yet become my favorite Traitor Primarch.

[@Lomhow]

A well organized and disciplined 3rd Legion could've made the Siege of Terra entirely different.

[@8ball279]

Fulgrim obliterates Perty. It wouldn’t even be close.

[@plastikloser]

When the bottom line is your soul being devoured their is no winning. I really wish a third faction split, denying the evils of chaos and hypocrisy of the empirium

[@GaIvatr0n]

Perturabo.. the best of the traitor primarchs.

[@dagnirglaurunga1620]

I hope they give Guilliman his revenge against Fullgrim

[@riverraven7359]

Of all the traitor primarchs only Magnus and Perturabo could have entirely swung the results by staying loyal. Traitor or not Fulgrim's pride was too easy to bait into a trap.

[@TheSixYardBox]

I think it's stupid how they've written perturabo into becoming a demon. Doesn't make any sense considering his stoic and logical behaviour.

[@coldhands2802]

The Emperor's Children would have been one of if not the best loyalist legion. Also, I think Perty falling to chaos is dumb and just doesn't make sense... he's too smart, logical, calculating, etc. Just to fall to chaos by his own choice, instead of being corrupted and unknowingly doing it like Fulgrim..

[@captc0ck5lap60]

I think Perty as he is represents GWs biggest issue in the overarching lore. Why would he choose demonhood and if he does go Chaos undivided, why wouldn't he supplant Abandon entirely? Does baby Horus really compare in any meaningful way to Perty? It'd be great if they made him a wildcard renegade that swoops in one day to absolutely shitstomp Fulgrim as revenge. Just as Fulgrim is on the verge of some major victory. He near kills him, denies him his victory, says nothing to either side, then leaves.

[@ravenwhiteduck3158]

Nah perty would play on his desires and use him the same way he was used it just seems more his thing

[@andrewwightman8066]

Out of them all fulgrim was just waiting to happen combined with his utter argance and belief that he is the pinical of perfection out of them all the one I would not turn my back on for a second it would be fugrin.pretubo was a little nieve thinking his brother was still the same brother all he had to do was look at fulgrim s men to know that all was not right .I think really pertubo deep down loved his brother even know.maybe he should have thought twice before pertabo rammed fulgrim s face into his workbench.my own opinion that is why fulgrim decapitated him not for houris no the fact he rammed his Head into his workbench lol

[@mzamethodman7134]

It was Ferrus whom rammed Fulgrims face into a bench not Perturabo

[@andrewwightman8066]

@@mzamethodman7134 I stand corrected my bad thank u for putting that right for me

[@smegg9676]

Fulgrim=griffith

[@Cmdtheartist]

I honestly don't get anyone liking any of the Traitor Primarchs. Not to say the Loyalists are perfect. The Lion killing his chaplain(?) for speaking up about using psykers? Total dick move. Maybe a little pity for Angron, but liking Perturabo? The guy who strangled his elderly step-sister after killing his homeworld? Seriously? I mean, it's popular to blame the Emperor, you can always blame Mom and Dad, but these guys are hundreds of years old. Wtf. Anyway, nice video, Rho.

[@D4RK_FL4M3]

I like Fulgrim since his fall was really not his fault. I also dont dislike magnus or angron, although i dont know a huge ammount about them.

[@aguspuig6615]

I mean the traitor primarchs are undeniably bad people, Maybe with a couple exceptions like Angron who can barely think enough to be considered responsible for his actions Fulgrim who pretty much had one moment of weakness and then got posessed by a Daemon (i dont care that hes suposedly back in his body, no one buys that) Or Magnus who had his soul shattered and is now pretty much insane. But yeah, the more ''normal'' traitors like Perturabo are bad people whove done bad things, but that doesnt mean you cant empathise with them and then end up liking them. Yeah it sounds bad to say you can empathise with someone whos done bad things, but deep down everyone is capable of that

[@ambrosiogiovanni6952]

That's because you're making moral judgements about characters in 40K. Most fans are already beyond that. Perturabo is simply a great character. He has great flaws, he can be insanely badass, his personality is interesting, he was dealt a shit hand right from the start, so it's easy to like him. Yep, he killed his half-sister, it was horrible, but it was in-character since he has a temper, it's his worst flaw, and got the best of him. It's the perfect greek tragedy. People don't like Perty because they admire him as a hero or something (this is 40K, you shouldn't expect to like characters because of this), but because of how good of a character he is.

[@bladestrike8045]

Magnus?

[@Cmdtheartist]

@@bladestrike8045 ........it wasn't my fault.

[@alvinadorno6105]

they made fulgrim was made into a possessed and that is all i will remember him as. the retcon of his soul "getting better" the next book after is bs and a cheap cop out from GW.

[@kevinboyle538]

The narrator is painfully slow and ponderous in his delivery. Just read the script.

[@christmasham4312]

Nobody likes fulgrim

[@Archon3960]

I still enjoy him as an "irredeemable piece of shit" villain, especially when put alongside _Perturabo,_ the "I can't understand theatrics and pacing" Lord of Iron. xD

[@martinazoana]

I like