JAGHATAI KHAN VS FULGRIM

[@jianwong6905]

Fulgrim: I heard you do strange things to your ships. Khan: ...I heard you do strange things to your warriors.

[@onomatopoeia3462]

OHHHHHH

[@vaclavsafarik4007]

I don't get this... what does the Khan mean by that? I'm not very far in the novels so far. Can anybody please explain?

[@solitaryconfinement1975]

@@vaclavsafarik4007 Slaanesh, all I need to say

[@bloodangel19]

@@vaclavsafarik4007 he says that fulgrim rapes his men

[@ΝίκοςΘεόδωρου-γ8β]

@@bloodangel19 No... he was referring to the fact that the Emperors Children condacted various biological augmentations in their pursuits for perfection.

[@jakebamford3435]

Fulgrim, at the siege of Terra: Jaghatai, drifting a baneblade through black legion lines, slashing like the interior of an active blender: GREETINGS, PEACOCK.

[@SexyTimeWithTaylor]

*Deja Vue blares from the baneblades interior*

[@Thunderbeer604]

@@SexyTimeWithTaylor YESSSSSS

[@marty2129]

So, that was the 200mph speeding tank TTS referred to... :D

[@m.mkhademi4648]

I am loyal emperor children. But i dislike some of fulgrim dids in horus heresy time. And i love Khan's superior intel's on everything. And i feel if khan face the fulgrim, we will be seen surprise in Khan's face for the first time.

[@marty2129]

@@m.mkhademi4648 You are loyal :) isn't that sole claim one of reasons why you dislike what Fulgrim did during the treacherus reign of F*ckin' Horus? Or should the Ordo Hereticus have a closer look on you? If you are truly loyal, you have nothing to fear ;) (And levity and RP aside, I would also like to see Khan's reaction to Fulgrim's trans-transhuman form... :D )

[@AshtonCoolman]

The Khan is a khan. He's the Emperor of his people and his own Empire. He behaves as such. I'm a fan of the Angel, but I'm really starting to like the Khan as well.

[@wolflordrho]

Agreed! The more we see of Jaghatai the better he gets.

[@bryanbarcelo5440]

i'm a fan of the Night Haunter and the Angry Boi

[@gasmonkey1000]

Better sooner than latter. However, he is not a khan. He is the khagan, the war-hawk, the khan of khans.

[@spacemarinechaplain9367]

William Blowers so the king of kings?

[@gasmonkey1000]

@@spacemarinechaplain9367 Yes. Sorry for the whole thing earlier.

[@darkhighwayman1757]

Jaghatai is really cool. I hope he returns from the webway soon.

[@eltonjohntubola3212]

He still has to win that epic race againts those knife-eared assholes.

[@bacalegeorge4333]

@@eltonjohntubola3212 amen

[@Ketsu357]

He is little more then a loved plaything, same as all mon' keigh

[@tanksinatra3968]

He is still not done practicing his throat singing in the Web way who knows he might be singing songs from THE HU

[@darkhighwayman1757]

@@tanksinatra3968 that's totally him

[@RD-999.M41]

The Khan is always blunt and to the point when he talks with his brother Primarchs. Its not because he is trying to be mysterious, its because he feels one should only say whats needed and nothing more. I think he is a underrated Primarch, and the last few Horus Heresy books will bring out his true glory.

[@patricklioneljonson2747]

I don't know much about the Kahn. He reminds me of a ancient warrior in from Japan who conserves his energy and then explodes for combat. I don't know, I'll have to read some of his books.

[@krato27]

I'm learning more about the Khan as well. He is becoming my favorite Primarch. I consider him neither good or evil, but pure. He stands unwavering, resolute, he is the rock that will not move for another man's purpose, only his own.

[@eltonjohntubola3212]

I wish GW releases Jaghatai Khan's armor name weapon name and sidearm..

[@geiger987654321]

Khan is a litarary "savage". Amazingly pragmatic and says it how it is. Lol, sorta ironic since he is always mistakenly called a savage when in actuality his people are very cultured and sophisticated.

[@jajordan2106]

khan pretty much represents a western view of Genghis khan.

[@aclock2]

Pretty much what happened with the Mongols

[@aclock2]

@Deathcoldan You must be one of those elementary school kids who think the Mongols was similar to the Hun.

[@Eclypsia13]

The irony that its the mongol based leader that turns out to be the most reasonable of the primarchs.

[@ravenstrategist1325]

@@Eclypsia13 I am no mongol but Chenggis Khan Ordu was by necessity both sophisticated and extremely organized. There is a reason why him and Subotai conquered as much as they did so quickly. It would seem that several people have a cartoonish stereotypical view of the Mongols or nomadic horsemen civilaizations in general.

[@BatmatYT]

Khan running into Fulgrim on Terra, "Hello there".

[@HaloFTW55]

-General Kenobi- Jagathai Khan.

[@BLACKIR0NTARKUS]

@@HaloFTW55 General KAHNobi!

[@haydennelson3271]

That's bloody brilliant

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

I LOOK FORWARD TO ADDING YOUR JETBIKE TO MY COLLECTION 😎

[@peteh5964]

Great star wars reference.

[@murderc27]

Jaghatai: "Of all his 17 brothers, Mortarion was the only one who, like him, had remained on the utter margins during the great crusade." Perturabo: W T F ???

[@PAJ_L2001]

Wasn't Lorgar rather marginal as well? (By his own fault.)

[@I_am-lost.]

And magnus

[@JakeSmith-em5sh]

​@@PAJ_L2001 f**k Lorgar.

[@justinokraski3796]

And Alpharius

[@njp4340]

The other brothers: Pertuwho? Wait is that guy our brother or something?

[@Autechltd]

Vulkan approves of this burn.

[@negativezero8174]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!

[@HammarPwnsYourFace]

Vulkan has even made a special medallion for this occasion.... 😂 Smaller than the one made for Big E

[@Autechltd]

@@HammarPwnsYourFace The Salamanders study burns in all its forms. While the Guillimen of the Ultramarines have the Codex Astartes, Vulkan authored the Codex Yomomma, to bring the heat on a physical and metaphysical level.

[@HammarPwnsYourFace]

Heinrich Dethahal Was mentioning the talisman he made after his resurrection for the golden throne. As in. He could make smaller variations for all in need of a multi-phasic burning desires...

[@Deathrising99]

This is marking the first shots fired during the Horus Heresy

[@sterasigma8734]

If the Primarchs have a Thanksgiving dinner together...... Lorgar: Insists that everybody must pray before eating and makes an overly long speech about the history of Thanksgiving (omitting much of the gruesome details) Russ: Forbidden from drinking alcohol, gets wasted with his stash anyway Magnus: Harassed by a drunk Russ Mortarion: Forced by everyone to take a shower (first time in forever) lest he causes food poisoning or makes someone sick, still manages to make things awkward by taking jokes too seriously Fulgrim: Late for dinner due to his inability to choose between a purple scarf and a magenta scarf, makes everyone uncomfortable with his strong, tacky cologne, very self-conscious about his appearance (especially around the fabulous hawk boy) Khan: Rolls his eyes out of annoyance towards Fulgrim being Fulgrim, nearly got forgotten by everyone since he rarely speaks, mocks Fulgrim for being a tryhard Sanguinius: Trying his best to host dinner and keep his brothers from biting off each other's ears, looking angelic and fabulous effortlessly (unlike a certain peacock) Guilliman: Offers to help Horus and Vulcan prepare dinner, insists on following recipes to the letter Horus: Smiles and nod as Guilliman nags about recipes, secretly annoyed by his blue brother, also mad that father is skipping Thanksgiving (again) Dorn: Finds some time to fix the broken roof, manages to piss off Perturabo (again) by unwittingly insulting him Angron: Angrily complains how past Thanksgiving dinners suck, why Thanksgiving is celebrating how colonists built their colonies on the rotting corpses of American Aboriginals and how dad and Guilliman the golden boy don't understand Alpharius (or Omegon, we can't tell): Fans the flames and snickers behind his brothers' backs Perturabo: Finally gets sick of Dorn and throws a hammer at him, breaking a window by accident Konrad: Stayed in his room to have nightmares, only to be awakened by a hammer to his face Vulcan: Ignores personal boundaries and hugs everyone, only to find the turkey overcooked Corvus: Glares at Lorgar while drowning out his brother's babbling with metal music Ferrus: Late for dinner because his roommate couldn't pick a damn scarf

[@AndreaAndy85]

Where is Perturabo? Oh S*it! We forgot to call him! NO ONE LIKES PERTURABO

[@Duppyman695]

Perturabo at home with a Turkey in a can for one, I can hear the whimpers.

[@obliviouslich1722]

Konrad: Annoying everyone being a fatalist and emo boy. Keep insisting is not a phase. Corvus: Appears out of nowhere with the beer. Is always there if needed, but keep mostly to himself. Alpharius: Try to help everyone and show how good he is. Everybody shrunk at their little brother except Horus, who gives him the spoon to lick. Vulkan: Is kind to everyone, make a great food (maybe overcook...) and give the best hugs in the galaxy.

[@Primus_Phallus]

Angron: Throws a tantrum. Yep that's Angron

[@alexrowe7063]

@@AndreaAndy85 perturabo was there trying to out repair dorn on fixing the roof, fixing becomes improving and seeing who can upgrade the most. One thing leads to another and the emporer comes home to see 2 forts on his roof.

[@eremasicama3193]

Fulgrim: *exists* Khan: i'm about to end this man's whole career ...

[@grimgoreironhide9985]

*woman's whole career

[@markcoroneos7811]

He actually identifies as fabulous

[@jaghatai_bulut]

He is incredibly strategic. He laughs and feasts with his sons but he is cold as a rock when he speaks with his brothers. To him they are not his brothers but other lords in a feduel system who he has to keep a well diplomatic, distant relationship. He sees his father as his overlord, not as his father. His heart beats for his people. He cares only about the best for his people. I love that about the Khan. He sees things for what they truly are and acts accordingly. I admire Jaghatai's logic based thinking more than anything. His only flaw is probably his impulsive nature. I think he knows this weakness of his and does his best to control himself. This control is what makes him appear cold and distant. He is like a high functioning adhd patient.

[@Gandaug]

Mortarion using the phrase "breathe easy" was gold. I'm disappointed that Wolf Lord Rho didn't comment on it.

[@dawhandaonli5925]

Jaghatai’s greatest power is humility. He has no ego. He has no desire to boast, instead he’ll sit and listen to other make fools of themselves. Despite his reputation, he doesn’t rush headlong into battle, he observes and calculates which path is best.

[@anthonyjordanmoviesandmore2470]

He has no ego and he has a zero-tolerance for ego

[@ItamarO93]

11:50 This sort of burn would have made Vulkan proud and full of willingnes to give a big hug of friendship to his brother. I guess Jaghatai is all kinds of savage.

[@RecoveringLoLAddict]

11:35 And they said Prospero was burned to the ground.

[@Necrodermis]

And I think Monarchia got it easy compared to that burn.

[@Darksmirk1]

I don’t even play as White Scars, but honestly. I think He should be the Loyalist Primarch to return next. He’s just so badass...

[@Bluemilk92]

The Khan has always been my favorite Primarch, even when I was a noob and all I knew of the universe was Sphess Marines, and crazy sci-fi Orkz. When I first learned of the Primarchs, I latched onto him and the White Scars immediately, even though I kind of hated their color scheme. I've just always been a huge fan of The Mongol Empire, and Space Khan was just too cool of an idea, even compared to something as crazy awesome as a blood-drinking angel in power armor. It just sucked that for the longest time, it was hard to learn much about him. Even after I learned about all the cool lore, and awesome feats of the others, the concept of Space Mongols was just too cool for me to change allegiance. I remember reading somewhere about his reaction to The Council of Nicaea (or whatever it was called.) I'm paraphrasing, but he thought "I should have been there. I could have changed things. My people knew of the Warp, and understood that it's not an evil to be feared. It's a power to be respected. With proper discipline, it's too important to ignore." His tribe and Legion have the whole like totemic shaman theme going. Kind of like the Space Wolves, but less savage tribal elemental channeling themes. More like an almost Native American vibe.

[@oldeskul]

Every quip by Jaghatai should have been followed by the thug life meme. They should have also called in an Apothecary to treat Fulgrim, because the Kahn burned him.

[@justindalton8701]

can u explain what fulgrim did to his sons?

[@ARandomCustodian]

@@justindalton8701 touchy feely

[@jameson1239]

⁠@@justindalton8701biological augmentations and getting a little to touchy feely

[@eclipseslayer98]

Jaghatai Kahn the savage! He burned Fulgrim so bad that Fulgrim had to get himself healed by a chaos god.

[@WorgenGrrl]

*Insert "OOOOOH! MEME!" here*

[@thumbdrives1623]

Then fucked on again by rylanor

[@ericm3327]

Khan is a great mix of the Mongols and the Spartan stoicism Definitely makes me lean toward white scars

[@pedropierre9594]

Spartans are not the only militaristic society ever

[@Max-zr7hr]

Thanks for putting the books at the beginning of all your videos. I've bought a ton of their audiobooks based on your videos! Great job as always

[@matthuckabey007]

Without your input I would be lost in lore. You are the best! Thank you for this necessary reprieve from life.

[@patricklioneljonson2747]

I've always been a fan of The Lion, since I got into WH40K. So I'm very bias when it comes to the Warmaster debate. Lion El' Johnson pros: Grand strategists Natural leader Affective in combat Melee skills are just as good as Horus' Knows his enemy Lion El' Johnson cons: Not friendly Hard to get along with Dogmatic I believe Horus was the perfect Warmaster because he was liked by almost all his brothers, and he was a cunning genius.

[@wolflordrho]

I'm a big fan of the lion myself. And I agree Horus was the perfect choice. That makes his fall all the more tragic.

[@patricklioneljonson2747]

@@wolflordrho 👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@cn9707]

Horus said while each of them had parts of their father, Sanguinius was the best blend of all of them and it should have been him.

[@stefan1360]

Horus was only liked by everyone cause he was 2 faced with everyone, he would change even his behavior when around others to better suit his needs.

[@alanrickett2537]

Best warmaster would have been Khan but empiror did not trust him.

[@chadfreakinL]

digging the Mechanicus score in the background. Cool video. I do want to read Scars now.

[@wolflordrho]

You should it's really good!

[@thorpey012]

Can confirm - by the end of Scars, I was fully in love with the white scars and the great Khan whereas before I was indifferent. I absolutely adore this interaction at Ullanor, and the Khan is absolutely correct in his statements

[@cesare.lopezelll8122]

Your vids are great, I've been looking for vids like this for years about the characters of the primarchs

[@adaeptzulander2928]

You should do when Jaghatai met up with Mortarian after the Heresy started. I think that was in White Scars novel as well. Man, he burns Mortarian and tells him about himself. In the early part of the Heresy, even the Emperor and Malcador didn't know on which side the Kahn was or who he would side with.

[@madginger3634]

Imagine a fighting game where you could play the Primarchs against each other, in different forms and such. Like a Mortal Combat style.

[@anxioussamurai9017]

"IMPERIAL KOMBAT!" *Cue Music

[@gadrielvanorion9872]

XD Fulgrim: I heard you do strange things to your ships. Khan: ...I heard you do strange things to your warriors. Fulgrim: THOSE VIBRATORS WHERE SANCTIONED

[@steveblackwell5494]

Wolf I just wanted to make a comment saying I look forward to reading the novel scars now after this thank you and keep it up.

[@wolflordrho]

It’s a great read, I hope you enjoy it!

[@LMGunslinger]

The more i get to know the Khan, the more I think he might be one of the wisest Primarch. He's always so deliberate and thorough.

[@piltonbadger9897]

Jaghatai Khan vs Clone Fulgrim who currently stays at Trazyn the Infinite's house of curiosities.

[@Zakvadr1995]

We could get The Khan and Clone Fulgrim vs Daemon Fulgrim. That would be epic!

[@henryviiifake8244]

Khan would bury Clone Fulgrim. There's a gap of centuries, of not millenia in experience. If Fulgrim hadn't been turned and stayed alive, that would have been a lot closer either way.

[@eyeof3ndr364]

Mortarion: Now we will have to fight to gain a glance from Horus, but he is not the architect of this- he is one of us, it will lead to trouble. (Curb your enthusiasm theme over slideshow of the Horus Heresy)

[@domskix4616]

When I read Scars they went from a legion/chapter that I never cared about to my top 3. Great book!

[@mr.sandman1217]

11:35 just pictured Sang and Morty leaning back and saying "DAAAAMMNN"

[@SonRyan]

just listened to Scars. thank you. i have a huge appreciation for the White Scars and Jaghatai now. in comparison to the other legions the White Scars seem to be the most wise, which was a pleasant surprise.

[@jakewu8268]

I can’t wait till you cover the fight between the Khan and the Death Lord!!!

[@TheFedaykiin]

On Horus, I don think he would of been choosen for Warmaster without being found first, based on the culture of Cthonia (basicly mad max), Horus would of been a warrior primarch much like Angron, Russ or Khan, without any of the wisdom, knowledge, charisma or charm he learned from the emperor on Terra for decades

[@nicholasleon7819]

It’s embarrassing how much I love sanguinius considering he’s a fictional character. Malevolence only stoked that fire. Rip the brightest one

[@ordersmilitant5998]

11:40 Love that bit there!

[@rlycervano8934]

i think even slaneesh giggled at that burn

[@eichler721]

The Khan is my second favorite loyalist Primarch behing Sanguinius only cause if the Horus Heresy series. It used to be Corax but the Khan gives zero f****. Which is great

[@darkhighwayman1757]

You and me both. I'm building a blood angels army but I think the next will be white scars

[@Sol_Invictus510]

Just stared Siege of Terra earlier this week. It’s awesome! From the few Khan moments thus far, I’ve been looking forward to reading scars. I initially got it for the Death Guard, Mortartion line, as he and his legion are my favorite traitors.

[@ItamarO93]

That burn got Vulkan's Hot Seal of Approval.

[@marksutherlandjr.2121]

I love the way 40k lore leads me into the deep water, asking the big questions. It picks at the scab of what makes humans act humanly while being demi gods.. WolfLordRho gets this. Khan is super dangerous imo btw.. The quiet ones are always more dangerous.

[@Volume_Halome]

4:57 Did the Khan just call Fulgrim a "tryhard" ?

[@shawncarter6173]

Yes

[@PAJ_L2001]

Yes, but in more eloquent manner - as befits a Son of the Emperor.

[@NRV0]

14:54 Haha my favorite part! 😂

[@davidolsen2495]

Same here 😂

[@oatlord]

His intention was for them to cover each other's weaknesses.....immediately splits them up and leaves.

[@andrebonds4199]

Except he didn't split them up...

[@caseygray2328]

Jaghatai is like the best aspects of Anakin Skywalker and Genghis Khan in one badass demigod

[@dommydench4693]

Fulgrim getting roasted is brilliant.

[@ytkuanrensu]

The Khan's personality is the same as his legion's fighting style. Direct & brutal.

[@jacobdarling1524]

The Khan's whole personality is just "fuck around and find out"

[@briHammer40K]

I think the khan will win hes an absolute beast!!!

[@wolflordrho]

I agree the Kahn is awesome. His novels made making a top 5 Primarch fighters list more interesting! I will have to do that one day.

[@errata]

@@wolflordrho Do it Now

[@KetaceanKyle]

i recently listen to the audio book of "Scars", and personally while Sangius' voice did come off as overly meek to me, but i did not feel like it was overall detracting because the part is so short and the rest of the voices I thought were so good, that it wasn't really a detractor for me and the Khan's voice when he explain why Fulgrim would lose is so amazing that i still think you should have recommended it.

[@archdornan3068]

Imagine when he comes back from the web way he has a rematch with fulgrim

[@Duppyman695]

Thats a rematch I want to see. The Khan would win, even though Fulgrim has risen to Daemon hood so would be a great fight.

[@the_reclaimer8509]

Ordu Jaghatai! Great video man.

[@GamingSpoiler]

The only thing I learned from this story is that Sanguinius is the biggest troll among all the 20 primarchs

[@idk-iw9kb]

Khan is up there as well

[@abelbabel8484]

The insight about the primarch working like rock-paper-scissors against each other is exactly right, and yet more reason to believe the primarchs and legions were designed to wipe themselves out after conquering the galaxy from the beginning.

[@richbattaglia5350]

“I’ve heard that you do strange things to your warriors.” That was the best response to Fulgrim The Khan could’ve said.

[@88Grabarz]

I've never paid much attention to Kahn. Man, I was wrong. 11:50 - THAT was epic.

[@dancable3372]

I love the scars...demon or not the Khan is a awesome swordsman..and the scars is a great book..I read it so long ago..it was nice to go back to it

[@davidk6269]

In the immortal words of James Tiberius Kirk: "Kh-aaaaaa-nnnn!!!!!"

[@WorgenGrrl]

Goddamn it! You beat me to it

[@Spekd]

🔥🔥🔥🔥Man loving this channel. I hope it grows to 40K I was working on a vulkan video as you posted the previous video 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Spekd]

Btw thanks for the heads up on the audio book.

[@wolflordrho]

Thank you for the support :) good luck with your channel too! The audio book is great, it's just Sanguinius didn't sound right at all. He's only in it briefly so it's nothing too major.

[@Spekd]

@@wolflordrho cheers buddy. Keep these coming, a lot of good for thought and very well read.

[@whitlocktherevanchist5236]

Literally every white scars book I read makes me fall in love with the white scars and jaghatai more and more and I truly wish they were more common and more covered in the lore. He is an absolute badass and the Legion are incredible. More than any other Legion, they are able to think as individuals without sacrificing their unity or straying too far from what makes them more human in the same way loken or garro are human. Jaghatai is insanely underrated and scars is one of my favorite horus heresy books. Also mortarions view of the primarchs being different for different things was a perfect way to look at them. I don't like morty but I didn't think he was wrong in this part of this book. When reading the entire chapter, I loved hearing the way he poked at fulgrim. I also think he's only able to have these jealous views of his brothers because he is still bitter at his lot in the world since landing on barbarus. He is always focused on what is unfair and wallowing in it rather than changing it. Sanguinius was already the true best of them in ruling the room

[@Jagrofes]

7:41 ALPHARIUS SPOILERS TFW Alpharius was actually first, kept secret and spent time yawing his Ghost Legion to infiltrate all the legions, and meet all the Primarchs while disguised during the crusade.

[@AzraelSoulHunter]

It's interesting to think how different would Khan and Fulgrim be if they weren't swapped as babies. I wonder how it would affect their personalities and legions.

[@toemoe4279]

7:39 HAH! You nearly couldn't stop yourself from saying it the proper way! "from >my boy< Mortarion here"

[@tomtommerson6320]

The Kahn is becoming my favorite loyalist primarch. Cant wait to get to him in the books

[@atilax6452]

Jaghati became one of my favorites as soon as they finally started writing about him.

[@Elthenar]

When all the primarchs call the Khan a savage, they aren't talking about a lack of culture. They are talking about his sick burns.

[@ragewielder3098]

Funnily enough, his quote said to fulgrim I actually used this very day, it was a perfect way of putting it.

[@GrimdarkCrusader20th]

Fulgrim died the moment he signed on with Horus during the heresy

[@secondarytrollaccount]

Fulgrim: i know your weakness brother. Khan: yes? Fulgrim: gets perturabo to build another great wall of china. Khan: HORY SHIIIITTT!!!! Real talk tho khan and sanguinius are two of the most based primarchs.

[@brigandboy1425]

The Khan is easily my favorite primarch next to Russ.

[@chubbyteddymonsterproducti1320]

I love Jagathai. He is one of not many words but when he speaks it has value. Love the Kahn!

[@saltedllama2759]

Jaghatai Khan, like many of his brothers, didn't get a lot of "screen time" in the original portions of the HH series. In the first few books of the Siege of Terra series (which I have found FAR superior to the HH series thus far, for various reasons), Khan gets a lot more play. He is definitely a unique personality and a badass on the battlefield.

[@trashynecromancer1155]

Fulgrim: I heard you do strange things to your ships. Jaghatai: ...I heard you do strange things to your warriors. Vulkan: Not even my Salamanders could produce such a *B U R N*

[@YoBen100]

While Primarchs are arguing about who found first would become Warmaster. Alpharius Omegon who was found first in Terra: "Do tell brothers."

[@ky0z71]

Would Horus have become Warmaster if he had the same start as Konrad Curze , man ur gonna keep me up all night xD

[@snakeyman5560]

Mortarion was right. One of them being designated Warmaster drove a wedge. But I must say that I think Fulgrim would win in a sword fight against The Khan. Fireblade cuts through weapons, armor and shields like butter.

[@breadpirateoverhere]

I agree with you, it's a huge missed opportunity to have turned the Primarchs into daemons before the heresy ended. They should have been turned in response to their failures to destroy humanity. Not as a boon. Because once they're turned, they are enslaved to the warp. I cannot imagine many of them willingly handing over their freedom like that unless it's because of retribution to failure.

[@demonsexslave85]

I own scars and read it a few times. Epic read. Morty and jag Going at it was fantastic.

[@briancates3576]

I was thinking Scars was gonna be a slog and I was gonna have to just get it over with...my god though, probably one of the best books in the series. This makes me want to read it again right now

[@akiramasashi9317]

That's a Prometheum burn even perpetuals can't recover from.

[@travishighbaugh5245]

This actually made me like Mortarion! That is huge because i can't stand him.

[@Yuki_Of_Snow]

I love Jaghatai so much as a character. Imagine in the future if Jagathai came back, and roughly around the same time, Clone Fulgrim was freed, they reunited and after a bit of time, Clonegrim, with all of his previous life's memories before he turned into a demon prince, challenges Jaghatai to a duel and he makes Clonegrim eat those words that Jaghatai told him so long ago, but not for any prideful boast, but to humble Clonegrim, and make him realize how his arrogance was his downfall. They could make it so Clonegrim keeps trying, aiming to best him, as Jaghatai teaches him how to put his playful arrogance aside so that he could be the man he was meant to be, and be so much more prepared to fight the real Fulgrim in battle. A humbled Clonegrim vs Demon Prince Fulgrim. They could even have Jaghatai join him, and they fight as brothers to take down the prideful demon prince, showing him how far he had fallen, and how this Clone of him could have been him if he hadn't been corrupted and had a better head on his shoulders. You could even throw Mortarion to separate the two, and Fulgrim vs himself, or Jaghatai vs Fulgrim and Clonegrim vs Mortarion and have that dynamic. There is so much potential to be had. I can't wait for the day Jaghatai returns, even if it takes decades for it to happen.

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

And then these two alongside Girlyman and ghost of Sanguinius beat some sense into Magnus and bring him back TTS style if they have to! Then Magnus go and beat some sense into Perturabo! God I would LOVE to see that.

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

I think that the Lion is the proto-primarch the Angel. This is one of the reasons he is so hard to read, because the Emperor has masked him to ensure that NONE know it is him. It is why the Emperor doesn't worry about his loyalty, why Malcador sent him to work with Russ, why the Lion deceived both Curze and Fate Weaver. I love the Khan. I love his primarch book. I think that he is the guardian of the Black Library.

[@Erebdai]

I must admit that I have grown to love the khans more and more since reading the books.

[@PreacherwithoutaPulpit]

I wonder: Could there have been a deeper stratagem at play here? Could the Chaos Gods have set it up in an attempt to insure Horas was found first? They're said to have given the Emperor the knowledge that he needed to create his sons. Is it possible that knowledge would have allowed them to know the possible end results, the very character traits breed into each Primarch? I'm fairly certain they were paying very close attention to the creation of the Primarchs evidenced by their stealing them. Could that knowledge in some way have lead them to conclude which among the Primarchs would be more likely to fall to Chaos, which were the easiest among them to corrupt? I guess if they had that knowledge they could have chosen any of the Traitor Primarchs to be found first and spread them across the different lanes of approach the Imperium would take in it's re-Unification Wars? There's also the fact that we know time is fluid for the Chaos Gods so is it possible they'd seen the many possible outcomes in advance? I realize there are probably no answers to the above questions but I find them interesting to ask none the less...

[@forgefartherloki6585]

Would you make a list of the Khan top twenty place? Please...

[@wolflordrho]

I'm sure that can be arranged

[@forgefartherloki6585]

Wolf Lord Rho awesome!!!

[@sortedevaras]

The Lion laughs at these scrubs trying to sword fight.

[@Bruva_Ayamhyt]

deVaras I think El’Jonsson would respect the Khan’s sword skill if he could beat Fulgrim by that much. Fulgrim was no slouch when it came to swordsmanship, even by Primarch standards.

[@henryviiifake8244]

Lmao no he doesn't.

[@MichaelBrown-rg8oi]

Out of all the boards I have seen from 40k fans I have always seen Khan ranked in the top 6 with even a good chunk of fans putting him in the top 3...

[@DeltaCain13]

@@MichaelBrown-rg8oi Khan is definitely anime levels of strong compared to most primarchs.

[@jackmulligan2890]

I NEED more Jaghatai. Easily my favourite Primarch, he is the quintessential 40k Mongol. A man of few words, only uttered after careful consideration. Cannot wait to read about his battle on Terra. "I am the wrath of God. If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you" Genghis Khan

[@SomethingRedundant]

Horus became war master for one reason, his military successes. The speartip assault at ullinor made Horus the obvious candidate to lead the great crusade and all further major military operations going forward

[@lewishorsman2219]

I think that Horus being found first was all down to the foresight of the Ruinous Powers. There is no such thing as fate in Warhammer. Everything happens for a reason. I think it was planned that Horus be found first to learn from the Emperor more than his brethren and to turn against him with more experience and knowledge.

[@mikeylejan8849]

Who will win in a fight between Khan and Leman Russ ?

[@Duppyman695]

Thats a tough one ???????

[@burningtemplar]

Rho, this is from my point of view, the best novel

[@SunTzuLao]

I really enjoyed this book.

[@gangrail]

i wanna see if fulgrim's clone who has all the memories and possible soul of fulgrim, come back and become a more serious character

[@Motorius9000]

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